Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - NATHAN MITCHELL: Carrying Silent Performance on THE BOYS & Finding Validation From Within

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

Nathan Mitchell (The Boys, Ginny & Georgia) joins us this week to share the growth of his career in this industry and the validation that comes from within until you get big breaks like the hit series The Boys and Ginny & Georgia. Nathan talks about landing The Boys during a lull in his confidence as an actor and the reflections he has as the show comes to its end in Season 5. We also talk about his personal difficulties filming Arrow, learning how to balance life and work, and his early aspirations as a sharkeologist. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🧠 Qualialife: https://qualialife.com/iou 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🏈 PrizePicks: https://prizepicks.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 📕 MasterClass: https://masterclass.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Alone. Well, you came over for leftovers. And I took a bunch of leftovers home. Good. Delicious, right? It took a few days to get through them, but yeah. I had three days of turkey. Holy shit. Yeah. It was nice. I feel like so much salt is in my system. I'm just puffy, swollen, and ulcerous. You know, it was fun. I made sliders. So, like, took Hawaiian rolls

and just, like, mashed potatoes stuffing and cranberry and turkey. How many people are getting hungry right now? It's delicious. My favorite is a heated turkey stuffing. And then when it comes out, a sandwich, then you put in a cold cranberry on top of it. And it is be to delicious.

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And that's it. And the inside of you online store, go there for tumblers and Lexmus scripts and small little ship keys and tons of stuff uh our guest today is nathan mitchell from the boys you know i really enjoyed talking to him we met in toronto and i was like i like this guy then he came over to one of my gatherings and uh finally we got around to having him on the podcast he was cool as hell wasn't they yeah it was really nice yeah he was uh he just he's he's just like got a good outlook on things he's a very positive dude he's a positive dude and uh i love

love his stories. I love getting into it. So let's just get into it. Let's get inside of Nathan Mitchell. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Well, what's funny is we met at an autograph signing. And you hadn't done a lot. No, that was like my third or fourth one, maybe. Do you get nervous around that when you first, like, what is this going to be like? What I expect? Back to my first time, honestly, it was pretty chill.

You know, people are nice, people are cool, you know, they come up. They're like, I love the show. I love your character. And you just, you talk. You know what? It's really fulfilling. Because when you're doing a show nowadays, like everything, all the feedback you get is through your phone or through a computer, right?

Yeah. Yeah. And so when people come up to you in real life and they give you their experience of the show, like, it's like the closest thing to coming out of a theater. Like doing theater, like coming out and people saying, oh my God, I loved your, like you're getting, it's like it's there. It's tangible. It's real. It's not just like you say on an Instagram. I love your character. You're like, it's great. But when you see people and see how it affects them. Yeah. Yeah, that does. Was this the first, I mean, you've done a lot of. stuff you've done psych and supernatural and arrow and what else jenny and georgia yeah which is going on now yeah yeah we just finished filming so we'll talk about all that but like you've done a lot of stuff but was this you must have been recognized from this other stuff not really no no like gini and georgia yes but outside of like like hardcore boys fans will recognize me sometimes

like before season four right but outside of that it was no I was chill. But the cons, do you ever get people who are emotional? I feel like that's happened sometimes, not a lot. How do you deal with it? It's like, you know what? I don't think anyone's gotten that emotional where I've had to ask myself. Oh, my God, I love you so much.

Let me just give him a hug. Just give him a hug. See, I do that too. I just give my hug it out. Yeah, hug it out. That's all good. It's solved the world's problems, right? Kindness.

Yeah. Did you always want to act? Kind of, yes. Actually, you know, I was just talking about this. last night. So initially, I wanted to be, when I was sixth, I wanted to be a sharkiologist, which is not a real word. But that's what, as a kid, you're like, I want to be a sharkiologist. That's it, right? What's the real word? The marine biologist? I don't fucking know. What's the study of sharks, Ryan? Can you look it up? Study of sharks? Maybe it is a shark

it should be. That's a cooler name, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's probably something to do with like the Latin word for shark. Which is, I don't know. I'm thinking like Finn No, that doesn't make sense No, I don't know Yeah, Ryan It just says shark biologist That's fucking boring

But you're close I was close I was close I was close Sharkologist Shark biologist I feel like we should go with mine I think we should like

Re-Defined So you wanted to do that So you loved You love marine life You love sharks You were There was a show called Street Sharks

Back in the day And I loved it And that's how I got into sharks I'm like yeah I want to do that And later on I pivoted to basketball, right? So I loved basketball.

Were you good? I was getting good. I was getting good. Like, wait, you played high school ball? Played high school. I played, like, rep, you know, which is like for the city. Right. And then...

Were you known? No, I wasn't like... Like Nate Mitchell, man. Not that good. No. No, but I was like, I was good on my team and I was really good at defense. Team player. Yes, yes.

You know? And it was this thing where, like, I would... Like, after the summer of grade nine, I practiced like three hours a day or during the summer, you know. And going into grade 10, like, I was starting to get better and, like, there was the possibility of me going on to the regional team, which is, like, one level under provincials. And then we got to our, like, final tournament, and I broke my ankle. That was it. It was, it wasn't it, but it forced me to take the summer off. So in taking that summer off, like, I slowed down and I got.

I got to spend time with my friends. And I thought to myself, like, I wanna have the experience of just being, you know, a teenager who hangs out with his friends. Not, you know, just playing basketball all the time. Right, you wanted to connect and just live and be. Yeah, yeah, that's it. But is that one, didn't that sound?

Is that one an acting bug came? Yeah, so I was at a arts high school called Cothar Park Secondary School. And so I would do drama, you know, we did drama like an hour a day, right? Right, so I was already doing that. But in grade 9 and 10, it was just like, you get on stage, you make people laugh, you have fun. Like, that's all it was to me. And in grade 11, I started thinking to myself, like, if I take this seriously, if I, like,

really commit to this, I could get a lot out of this, right? And so I did, and it got more and more fulfilling. And then in grade 12, I was doing this monologue, and I was stomping on the floor. And I had this, like, image come into my mind, right? And now, like, people see images in their mind. It's not a big thing. but there's this thing called Fantasia, which is like the spectrum of how vivid images are to you.

And generally, the images in my mind are rather faint, unless I put a lot of effort into it. So not vivid, they're just kind of faint. They just kind of come and go and just kind of like, you don't think about them a lot. No, and like, honestly, they don't even come that often. Like, I have to like try. Usually my mind is like empty.

It's blank, right? Yeah. Sounds like me. Yeah, it's not a bad way to be, right? Yeah. And during this monologue, this image of this coral reef that was teeming with life. They were like fishes and like turtles and it was light blue. And I was like there.

And I had this feeling like if I explore acting, I'll get to explore the world of myself. And from that moment, I was like, oh, this is what I want to do. So you want to get to know yourself more and you wanted all these things that were faint to be more vivid and come up in your imagination to be fuller and to that's really cool that you thought that now what did your parents say you grew up you yeah parents loveable parents yeah they're great they're still around yeah they are and they supported this when you said i want to be an actor they did they did you know what i think there are a few levels to it i think they knew i wasn't going to do anything i didn't want to do you know like my heart had to be in something to do it like otherwise i would

just like fuck off and be like eh yeah you know and they just wanted me to go to university have a backup plan and so I did that and outside of that they were you know it honestly it was my mom who encouraged me to go to acting camps as a kid like I like to entertain my sisters when I was a kid and and impressions yeah stuff like that you do impressions no no no really no you can't do one I honestly man do Jensen Ackles you just have to do it's gonna be bad just kind of hey listen hey yeah listen i'm batman yeah yeah i'm jensen hackle i don't know if you want to uh you have to look really hot yeah i mean yeah great guy great guy great guy great guy yeah great guy yeah so uh you got the acting bug you're in toronto i mean when did you think was there a moment

where you thought i'm pretty good or people around you thought you were good or your mentor or your teacher or somebody that kick you need that you need that to kind of go to the next step if you don't either believe in yourself or somebody believes in you it's tough yeah you know i think i got the belief just from the the practice of being in in drama class every day and just the just doing it you know you're a drama class teacher drama teacher yeah like said you know you're good you got that feeling you know i i don't know if anyone ever really was like, hey, you can do this. You know, for me, it was, it was just more like,

I want to do this. Like, I care about this. See, that's, that's crazy to me. Because it's like, that is having so much belief in yourself and saying, this is what I want. This is what I love. This is what I want to do. And in a way, fuck everyone else.

Like, not fuck it. But I don't, but I don't care if somebody says you're great or good. This is what I'm doing. Yeah, that's it. That's it. I don't, you don't really hear that much. that takes that's brave because if you don't know you're good at something and you're going into it and maybe you're just not aware yeah and people are like what is he doing what is he

doing I'm sure people said that about me to take a step back but but you liked it you enjoyed it you worked hard yeah you had a good work ethic yeah when did you get your first agent it was 2006 so 2006 I was doing like an extra semester of high school you know because one Once we hit grade 11, we had the option to take a spare, you know, so you have four courses a day, and we got the option to do three. And I had my first spare, and I'm like, oh, this is fucking sick. Like, I can go to the library, I can take a nap, I can chill. And so I was like, I'm going to have an, I decided to give myself an easy, easier grade 11 and 12. And my guidance counselor was like, you know, like, if you do this, you're going to have to graduate like a semester later than your friends.

You don't care. No, I'm like, that's fine. My friends were, like, stressing out, doing, like, math, science. He was like, I'm going to take my time. Yeah. That's what I did with college. I was supposed to graduate in four years. And then I was like, no, that's not happening.

No. I think maybe I should take another semester. And the last semester was only, like, 12 hours. Oh, wow. You know, four classes. And so it was easier because I could, otherwise I would have had to compact it into that. And I probably would have failed. But, but anyway, so it was that some extra semester.

Yeah. And what happened? How did you get the agent? So I think it was. it was so i like technically graduated in 2006 and you're young i mean bro you you look like you're in your fucking your 40s man like like seriously i'm not paying you again you're not you're not you're not you look you look great i look like you look 38 all right i'll take with makeup maybe 38 maybe 40 no you could do 30 without makeup without makeup I'm saying with

all right well thank you yeah thank you appreciate it go back to you yeah So, the agent. Yeah. So, yeah, so I think summer 2006, I was, like, getting head shots. And I think it was September 2006, I got my agent. Yeah. And they started sending you out. Yeah.

And what was your first? Were you getting feedback? Like, hey, you got to work on this more. You got to do this. Was your agent kind of like, you're green? My agent was like, I see potential. And later on, I was like, oh, yeah, that's, I was not good. But you get better.

I mean, if I look to myself. Many years ago, I knew I had raw, like, really good instincts. Yeah. And but I needed to work on those things to get more believable and learn how to act, learn how to be in front of the camera, learn how to let go. And I'm still learning. It's an ongoing process. Inside of You is brought to you by Quince.

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my show inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Rocket Money. So you're working and what was the first one you got? So the first, I did a commercial, but the first project I got was a show called Aliens in America. Aliens in America.

I've heard of aliens in America. Oh, it's a good show. Yeah. Like, I'll go back. And you got a recurring or like? Yeah. Three, three episodes. How nervous were you getting your first recurring role?

Yeah, I don't. I probably was nervous, but I don't remember nervous being a defining part of that experience. You just wanted to be good. Yeah. And honestly, the first episode was just like I was at the dinner table and I was at the dinner table. And I just had to like look at my girlfriend and smile. No lines. No.

So that made the first episode easier. And I don't know what I was doing, but I was like looking at my girlfriend smiling and I got a note and they're like, it's not that type of show. And I was like, what? What am I? Okay. I, I, well, you don't have any lines and he got a note. No lines, but he's like, hey, you didn't say anything, but the look you gave wasn't good. It's too much. It's not what we're doing. You thought you're going to get fired? No, no, no, no. It was probably like an intimate. But then you had lines in the second and third. Yeah. Now, was this a good paying job? I mean, like for someone who hadn't made money acting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, someone who's just about to go to university. Yeah, it was great. It was like the typical scale rate. You do a day here. You do three or four days there. And your parents were probably really excited about this.

This was like, you know, hey, you're a working actor. Yeah. Yeah. And it was out in Vancouver, you know, and I was in Toronto. And so that's how I, that's how Vancouver came on my radar, you know. But also I think, I think in terms of confidence, I think that job gave me confidence. Because that, it was this validation of, like, you belong. you can do this, you know, because it's hard as an actor when you're, you're auditioning

and you feel like you're talented or you believe in yourself, but you don't see the feedback from the outside world. And, you know, I think you have to give that to yourself. But when you do get it, you know, it's like, okay, cool, I belong. I can play at this level. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you get anxiety? Did you ever have like that? Did you ever deal with depression or anxiety or not really? Not, not really. Never did. Still haven't. No, anxiety attack never had an anxiety attack no never felt depressed said i mean i mean sad yeah but i think for me not not in like sad whether it's a breakup or something like that but never like like i can't motivate myself to get up in the morning i can't you know you've never had issues like that luckily enough

do you think that has to do with how you were raised and a good home good environment mixed in with um believing yourself having people believe in you do you think that's a big part of it your product of your own environment yeah i think my parents you have given me an amazing foundation you know and uh so yeah that that's a big big part of it i also did uh taekwondo you know from when i was six wow and just you still do it no i want to get back in but it's it's been a while you know it's been like i stop and it's been a while what song is that since i first it's your song oh no okay who's that stain stain oh stain okay stained okay stained Stained, they're called Stain.

We'll move on. All right. Well, you've done all these characters. So from that, things started clicking and you started getting work. You know, so after my first show, that was Aliens in America, I didn't work for three years, you know. And you thought it was something about your performance? Honestly, no, no. You don't get down on yourself.

You're an enigma. No, no, like, for me personally, like, I have a very high standard for myself personally. when it comes to my work. So, like, I can be hard on myself in regards to my work, you know. And, yeah, like, I've gotten down to myself. Have you ever been fired? No. Luckily, no.

Were you ever close getting fired? I like that. No. I don't think so. You're always on time for work? Yeah. You always know your lines? Yeah, I know my lines.

You're always easy to work with? Yeah. You don't ever put up a fight? No. I mean, like, if you don't believe in, like, in something, you fight for it. Yeah. But, like, there's different kinds of fighting. There's, like, constructive fighting.

being like, hey, let's have a conversation and see what we can, how we can make this the best to be. Right, right. And then there's like unnecessary stuff, right? You ever worked with assholes? I don't think so. You will. You will.

I probably will. I'm sure you've seen some attitude on set before where it's just like, no, we got, come on, what are we doing here? There, you know, there have been a, there were, there are a couple people who I'm like, I was like, wow. You didn't think they'd be like that. I did not, and I, I'm like, I do not want to work with that person again, you know. So you saw, so you did see it. You did see that. Yeah, I would like, man, I don't really want to work with that guy or that girl.

Yeah, yeah. And I think, honestly, they were, it wasn't like, you know, there's like a couple days with someone here or there. It wasn't, you know, not a long thing. Right. It was just a little, enough for you to see, like, there's something going on with this person. Yeah, I'm like, hmm.

best of luck but like this isn't fun yeah it creates a tense environment you know in those in those scenarios it wasn't a tense environment it was just distracting right you know who was it yeah no i'm curious no i know you know you're yeah but um like when you go and do arrow yeah how many episodes you do that was two episodes two episodes you worked with just and harley no it wasn't just harley was stevia got stephen em out yeah yeah yeah yeah now stephen uh stephen's been on the podcast a lot times and what season was that that was I think it was what season what how many seasons did arrow go a lot like a lot I don't remember was it early it was I feel like it was it might have been season three season three now he talks about how he was tense he was leading a show

he was doing all this so he was like you know I could have come across as you know a little intense and not you know yeah and you know he's worked on himself and this and that and um was he nice to you yeah he was actually he was yeah uh i didn't like we had a couple scenes i didn't have a lot of interaction with him but like i remember when i met him he was super cool you know he's like hey welcome to the set you know good vibes oh nice i'm good friends with david ramsie yeah diggle you know and so he directed some yeah he did yeah you know and so i'd see i'd see um steven at you know some birthday parties here and there and i see him around, you know.

Were you hoping that, that little time on Arrow would have extended and would have been a little longer for you? Yeah, I mean, Arrow, that, that job was, uh, difficult. It was, it was for, for me personally, right? So I was, I was going through, uh, a breakup at the time and like, I was, you know, usually depressed, maybe, maybe, I would, yeah, okay, there you go, you're, you got me. see it happens it does so like typically you know you get your role and you're preparing and you're doing all this stuff and i was just in my trailer and i was just like ugh you know and i remember

doing the scene and it didn't feel quite right and i'm like i don't i don't think i'm getting this i don't think this is like are you sure and i kept getting the note of like no no it's you were getting in the way your mind wasn't it oh no i think i was right um so yeah so i was like i was like i was like I just heard like, yeah, no, no, it's good. It's great. It's going to be fantastic. I remember getting into ADR and being like, oh, wow, all right. Not good?

I was, I was, I wanted to, like, apologize to the producers over the phone. Like, I was like, oof. They didn't think it was bad? I mean, I don't, I don't know. But you knew it was bad. For me, it wasn't what I wanted to do, right? And you knew because it was on that day that you felt you remember. Yeah, I'm like, I feel like we need to shift in a bit of a different direction, right?

Right. Yeah. So, you know, did it. And for me, that was the biggest thing I had done at the time. Right. And, you know, I... You felt like you let yourself down? Yeah. Yeah. That I was hard on myself. Did you sort of think I'm not going to let my emotions get in the way ever of my work? What that told me or what that taught me is that, like, I really needed a process, a technique that I could rely on, you know? no matter what I'm feeling. And I think this is, I don't know if this is a universal experience, but, you know, especially, you know, say if you're not in a place where you're,

actually sometimes when you're on a series or whatever, but sometimes you get a role, you get a big thing, and it's accompanied by a big life event. And so the two things are happening at the same time. Yeah. And, and I was like, wow, no one ever told me that in acting class.

No one warned me about this. No one gave you any time. type of heads up. And so you have to be ready to deliver and produce rain or shine. Nobody said it was easy. Who's that? Copeland. Oh, yeah.

See, Ryan's here for, now you're making me think of Smallville when Copeland was a Smallville. Yeah. You were a Smallville fan. I fucking love Smallville. I, I, dude, and it's funny. You come in here, Ryan. He comes in here and he goes, is that a Smallville lunchbox? I'm like, yeah.

You want one? He goes, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. I think that is so cool. I love that. Like a fellow actor, a peer that liked Smallville. Did you watch all of it?

I watched up until, I think, around season seven. When I left? When you left. I came, I actually, I came back. I watched the finale because I knew you were going to be in the finale. Yes. So for me, I had seen Smallville on TV, like, on TV, like occasionally here and there, you know, during the first three seasons. I remember season four, I just happened to turn on the TV.

And I've slipped into the channels and it was like the scene where it's beginning of season four, Tom is like, Clark Kent is dead. And Martha's like, I want my son back. Give me my son back. You know, and he goes and he flies. And I was like, that is badass. Right? So you were in?

I was in. I was in. I love that, dude. Yeah. What is, so you, were you a superhero fan? I was. As a kid? I was.

So now as a kid, you love this stuff. Now you're in Arrow. You watch Smallville, then you do Arrow. Now you're in the boys. Now you're doing all this stuff. Yeah. It's like, it's got to be a dream come true. It's beyond that, man.

It's the best. Like, honestly, if, if back at that moment, you know, in high school when I fell in love with Smallville, you know, if I, if I, knew what I was going to be doing or doing now. You'd been throwed. I would have been, I was like dream come true, like over the moon. I think that is the same mentality you should have if you do something that doesn't do well. If it does, if it bombs. Because, like, one of my friends said, he did a movie and he directed it and it bombed.

And he was the lead in it. And I said, you're right. He's like, you know, if I told, if I told my 12-year-old self. that I was going to be in a big Hollywood movie and I was going to direct it. That kid wouldn't say how much money did the movie make. No.

Hey, were the reviews good? The kid would have just been like, wow, I get to be in a movie. I get to direct a big movie. That's the inner child speaking. And those are the important things. It's like the work. Yeah.

You know, all those other things, you know, I mean, obviously they get in the way. But it's pretty, It's pretty epic both ways, whether you do something great or you don't do something great, you're still doing something and you're still making something. So I think that's pretty cool. I love that you were a small-vow fan. You like Lex Luthor, right? Yeah, of course, man.

Like, a few things. Like, I feel like watching you guys was one of my first acting classes. Really? Yeah. I love that. Glover, everyone. Yeah, Glover was great. to you know it was all you know we're doing a rewatch podcast now yeah it's the it's called

talk to watch me and tom and ryan here yeah yeah and it's fun it's because i'm watching it for the first time and i'm like but like some episodes i'm like really impressed by yeah and like i'm like okay i get why people really like this and i'm not i've never been a superhero fan i'm like horror and documentaries yeah you notice the lights dim here there it's like Halloween shit man so maybe a ghost in this house yeah i don't know man there might be it's my little castle in the hills it could be haunted those puppets are going to to live that I have there. Oh, that is.

No, those are cool puppets. I could take that's, those puppets can come to life. That's okay. You think? You don't mind? No, no. Those are, those are friendly. Those are friendly puppets.

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from my show. Check out. The boys. Did you audition? Yeah. How many times? Once. One time.

No, wait, twice. So, the first audition was for the deep. And my buddy, Anthony, you know, in Vancouver, he was like, yo, you got to ask your manager to go out for this. Like, I think you'd, you'd love it, right? And so I did, and I thought to myself, you owe him. I do, I do. If he didn't say that, you would never even thought about it. It's not that, it's, I wouldn't have been as prepared for the next audition.

Ah, gotcha. You know? And so, so I did it, I'm like, oh, this would be cool if this, if this worked out. And, but I'm like, I'm probably not going to happen. So I did it, didn't hear anything. And I had this, that whole year, I just wanted to, go down to L.A. for the first time and like try it out. You hadn't been? No, I hadn't. Just in Toronto. At that point, I was in Vancouver, which is pretty hip for the industry,

but it's still not L.A. It's not. Like, you can, you can go so far. You can go so far. Yeah, you're not going to get a lead role. No, no, you know. And so, so I wanted so badly that I mean, you could. I don't want to make it sound like, you know, there's no chance. But I'm just saying that most, most them are like movies that are coming up there to film and they're looking for, you know, other characters. Most lead roles are cast out of L.A. Right, right, right, right. You know, you need L.A. rep.

Gotcha. And there is, like, you can be, like, you can be a Canadian and get a lead role. Sure. It's just much rarer. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. And so, you know, that entire year, I just wanted to, like, book enough so I could come down and go to L.A.

And just be there for a few months and just try it out, right? So I didn't get that. I came so close on a TV movie that would have given me enough to go down and the director and the producers are like, you're a top choice, we want you, you're going to hear from us in a couple of days, and just didn't hear. Oh, I hate when they do that. How about call you anyway and just say sorry? Yeah, you know, it was.

You say you're going to hear from us, at least call and say, hey. Yeah, you know, for me, I knew they were interested. It was more than network. And so because you get so close, that's just. So many cooks. That's what's tough about it. So many cooks. Right? Yeah. And I was so down to myself. You know, I was just, I was just like, damn, like, I really want to do this. And I didn't accomplish my goal. And then I went on vacation with my family, you know, and I was talking with my dad. And he's like, yeah, so how are you feeling about this year? I'm like, I feel like I failed what I was trying to do or what I wanted to do. And he's like, no, no, you did all this good stuff. Like, don't worry about it. And I'm like, yes, I get that. But right now, I'm in the place where I'm feeling this. And I have to live.

let myself feel this emotion and like feel where I'm at. And I did. And as I was kind of giving myself the space to feel that, this audition for Black Noir came in. And I was like, oh, I really kind of did this, because it was a deep scene and an A train scene. So I did one of the scenes already. And so I just gave myself time over the vacation

to feel what I was feeling to like kind of let that path through me and then when I came back I taped it and so it's on tape yeah he didn't even audition for a producers nobody does anymore no yeah it was on tape you know and and I was like waiting to hear you know it's like you audition and some you really want you're just like on pins and needles oh yeah you know and oh yeah yeah yeah it's yeah and I think it was about a week a week it was January 2nd or third between genie yeah between i think around the third that i heard back your agent called you i guess so yeah yeah were you just floored i was i was i was i was many things i was i was over the moon

and i was also like what's what's happening what's what's going on like what am i doing you know like this is this is an amazing role but like what do they want me to do you know in my my biggest fear because black noir a silent character you don't see his face which is harder for an actor. You have to have presence and be listening and thinking and looking and not saying anything. It's what my acting coach or one of my mentors in college is a scene where I don't say a word. I go, I sit in a chair. I go, do I have to be in the scene? He goes, it's a play. And you're part of the. Yeah. I'm like, well, I have nothing to say. He's like, no, you have everything to say. You just choose not to say it. And, you know, that's kind of a little cliche and saying like, you know, in the industry. But it's true. And you, and that's true. And that's a tough thing. So was that tough for you? And you probably wanted lines, right? Yeah, who doesn't? But I think for me, it was, the biggest question is, what do they want for me? Because I was, I was scared they just wanted me to just stand there and do nothing. Like, that would have been, that was my biggest fear, you know? I think there's a, there's a line in season four,

uh, where noir's like, you didn't hire me to stand around like a fucking oak tree. And that, that was my fear. Like, I was scared of, because, and that's kind of ironic. And that's kind of ironic. That's like because that's your fear, yeah, what your fear was for the role. And now he says that. Yeah. Because he talks more. He started to talk more, right? Yeah, he does. He does. You know, but for me, as long as I could express myself with my body, I was okay. I just, as long as I could tell a story. It did like, yeah, okay, no lines. That's fine. But like, let me tell a story through my body. And they did that, you know? And so it's, it's been phenomenal. But to circle back before we go on, I think if I hadn't let myself be in that down,

It's not of like wallowing, but just like being with what I was feeling in that moment, I wouldn't have been as present as I needed to. You wouldn't have been as ready. Yeah. You wouldn't be ready. As ready and is open and is there to give the audition that I needed to give to get that. How many seasons did you do? We are going into five. Going to five.

Yeah. This will be your fifth season. Yeah. I mean, are they paying you now? They're paying us. They're paying us. In the beginning, they probably weren't paying you much. I mean, that, I think that's a typical, a typical experience.

I always like to ask those questions. Are they paying you? I think it's, because you know, especially if you're Canadian, they take advantage. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, bro. Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, everyone, I don't want to say everyone knows a deal, but, you know, it's your first show, you know, and you look. It's not about the money in the beginning, but it becomes.

I'm telling you as an actor it's like okay here's the deal for me it's not about the money it's about the work but if something becomes a success and is making money you're an integral part of that and you deserve to make more money like I don't care if you work at fucking target yeah if you're there and you're building up sales and customers are coming in because they want to see you there's something there that you're important and it's just you know so that's why i always say that stuff but you're going in a season five yeah and how many episodes do you do typically eight are they difficult to shoot i mean i would say no you know it's a it's a really well-run production you know from top down you know professional great people great crew we have an amazing showrunner amazon is amazing Sony's amazing. So it's an easy thing to be a part of because everyone's so professional, so top-notch,

that I never, I'm like, obviously there are difficult days because, like, you're doing something hard, right? So it's going to take a lot out of you. But as far as the process, I think it runs as well as it can. But what's your favorite boys moment thus far in the series? God damn. One of your favorite. Now, it doesn't have to be, well, first,

your favorite moment and it'll be your your favorite moment as black noir that's so hard man because there's so many what's the one scene you went holy shit i think i think in in season one where homelander lets the plane crash i think that's when there's the turn and we're like we're in we're in a different show that we thought we were in you know yeah yeah what about your moment for me i think the quintessential black noir moment because there're two black noirs now there's There's O.G. Noir, and there's New Noir. Right. Right.

And for O.G. Noir, it's season two where he goes into this house. He decapitates a soup. And then as he's walking out, he sees the soup's scared son and, like, tries to comfort him with a bunny rabbit. And he makes that stuff bunny dance. And that's like the quintessential moment of that character for me. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah.

And as far as New No. I got to catch you up. Oh, yeah. I'm way back. I don't have any time. I feel you. But I'm going to watch it because you. You'll get there.

I'll get there. But thanks for telling me the scene that I haven't seen. No, I'll forget. Yeah, you'll forget. And then you'll see it for the first time in the whole season, like every season. And they're doing a spin-off with Jensen? Yeah. Are you going to be a part of that?

No. Because that's a, that's a prequel, right? So it goes, it's like, it's not including any one. I mean, but yeah, but this noir, it'd be the old noir, if anything. But it's, you know, it goes way back. So it's like different times, different decades. Right. Who makes you laugh on set more than anybody? Oh, man. You know, I think...

This has got to be a joker on set. I mean, yeah, I think Anthony is a joker. Like, he likes to joke a lot. Who's the most serious? Anthony. He's serious and the most funny? Yeah, he's both. You really is. Yeah. Yeah.

Who's the most... I don't give a shit. I'm just chilling. I got this. Let's do it. Moving on. I don't know. What's his name? Yeah. The older guy. Carl?

Carl. He seems like he'd be just like, yeah, let's do it. All right, great. Yeah, he's, you know, but here's the thing. I'm not in a lot of scenes with Carl. Yeah, true. You know, because we're kind of in different. Right, right.

Yeah. That's true. But what about? I feel like Anthony's got to be a lot like you in a lot of ways. He's got to play this serious, serious villain. And he has to like let loose somehow like you did. Yeah, it's true because I have to play that. Yeah.

But the difference is I'm sort of. nice at first and i gradually decline he's like he's showing from the job he's showing his true colors and hiding his true colors at the same time yeah i didn't show my true colors for quite some time yeah but yeah i guess so um have you who have you noticed that the biggest they have wow look at who they've become like a stretch as an actor like wow from the beginning to now besides you probably you're probably watching yourself just patting myself on the back. Well, no, but you're thinking I've come a long way.

Well, yeah, yeah. You know, I think everyone is just so talented that, like, it's, for me, their work has been top notch, you know, from the get-go, you know, so it's not, like, I'm not, like, looking at anyone being like, oh, man, this person's really improved. They're all, everyone's amazing, you know, and it's just like a privilege and a joy to get to work with these people who are also good people, you know. Yeah, is this season aired already? uh season four came out and so we're we're still about to start shooting for season

right so four is already out yeah what's the biggest moment in season four that you think fans were just like over the moon like holy shit moment there's a human centipede moment there's there's a there's a there's a um there's a sex dungeon moment oh i don't tell me more now is that a jensen no no it's not i mean there's a Jensen has a... There's another whole thing with, like, yeah, Jensen in season three, there's... But season five, yeah. I'm sure they've had a meeting with you and told you kind of what we're doing.

We are going to have that soon. So we haven't had it yet. Do you have any ideas of what's going to happen? I mean, I have some ideas. But you can't share out. I can't say it. I'm excited, though. I'm very excited.

And will this be the last season? It will be. This will be the last season. How does it make you feel when they told you that? I just had a meeting, you know, the other day. You know, and we're talking about those things, and it's just starting to hit me. There's, there's, we know we're always going to be in each other's lives, you know, as friends. So that part is okay.

But at the same time, you know, when something amazing ends, you start to feel it, you know, and I didn't think. You get emotional at the end. Yeah, you know, and I, this whole time, I'm like, oh, no, you know, like, we understand it's, it's a good time to, to wrap up at a high point. Look, if we had season six, would I be complaining? No. Would most of us be complaining? No. But at the same time, you know, Eric is committed to telling a great story and not prolonging it longer than it needs to go. And from that level, we respect that and we're on board with it. So if this is where he feels like we've got to end it, like we're like, cool, let's do it. You know what I think? Yeah. I think the prequel, they're going to do some flash

forward. Fast forwards. Yeah. And you're going to see, they're going to have you come back. they're going to have different moments where they go, this is the future. Yeah. Is that possible? I mean, I don't see it. Unless this takes place in 1812. I mean, it's far back.

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I was just like walking down the street in Vancouver. I pulled up to a bar and he was in the bar. And I just started talking to him. And this was like, I just moved. He was nice. He gave me the time of day. You know, he gave me advice. Yeah, we talked about acting.

And it was, A, it was cool for me at that moment being a fan of Smallville and then like being in Vancouver. and running into Jensen from like the first season I fell in love with the show and so he gave me that time of day and then I didn't work with him on Supernatural but I saw him on set and we talked there and then I remember it was 2020 at a golden globes party I think you can see a golden corral I don't need what is that just a restaurant in the Midwest the people go to for like the early bird special and like sure anyway go ahead golden globes and he was like yeah you know like I've been doing supernatural for so long like I want to jump into something else

you know and I'm like in my head I'm like Eric would probably love to have you on the pores you know and lo and behold they're already talking about it um and yeah and then he came on the show and he you know when I got the news he was going to be in the show I was so excited you know and I think the like Eric sent it's an email letting us know and he was like Jensen's coming he's a really good guy and in my head I'm like he is a really good guy he busted his ass on the audition he told me like he really did everything to get that part like everything he could yeah you know but he's a great guy he deserves it all uh zion miller and jenny and georgia yeah how many seasons have you done we just finished season

three and you've been in all seasons yeah i came in at the end of season one right and then yeah i've been on in season two now tell me what jenny and georgia is about jenny and georgia is Because I haven't seen it. So I want to know. So tell the audience. It's a story about a mother and a daughter. And they're trying to, the mother's trying to escape her past. And they wind up in, you know, a small town.

And they set up roots. And the daughter is coming of age, you know, just like navigating her way in the world. And the mother's past slowly starts to catch up with her as she establishes her new life in this town. She had a dark past. A bit dark, you could say. Yep. So where do we watch that? Netflix.

That's Netflix, too. Or Amazon, the boys is Amazon. Oh, boy's Amazon. This is Netflix. Yeah. Is he going to get a good response? Yeah. People love it.

Yeah. Do you get noticed for that? Yes. Really? Yeah. All the time people come up to you. A good bit. Yeah.

Yeah. Is this more demographically speaking? Is it like a, you know, women love the show? Yeah. Women more. Do men love the show too? I know guys who like it. And I think predominantly, you know, I, women will be like, hey, you're from the show.

But I've had guys come up and be like, oh, you're from Jenny and Georgia. You know, so, yeah, I know a lot of guys. And where does that film? Toronto. Toronto. Toronto. Yeah. Yeah.

So you film in Toronto. You filmed in Vancouver, boys in Vancouver. No, boys in Toronto. Boys in Toronto. I mean, you've lucked out. I really have, yeah. Just wait until you do a series in like Albuquerque. You're going to be like, oh, man, what happened.

Yeah. You know. Yeah. The older you get, too, it's like, now they're like, there's series, it's this. I'm like, oh, where's the film? They're like, Maine. I'm like, no, thanks. No, no, no.

You know, I mean, look, you're young. What are you? 35. 35. Big hockey fan. You know, I'm a diehard ranger fan. You know, I'm a diehard ranger fan. Hockey was my first sport, actually.

I played it, I was probably like five, six for a couple. Not seriously, but just like that's for one of the first sports I started playing. And then I transitioned into other ones. But not, I don't watch a lot of hockey myself. What do you? Where do you see yourself? Who do you want to work with? Like, obviously, you've worked with great people. But like, in your head, like, I want to work with. Like, is it De Niro? Is it? Who is it that you're like, I idolize this person? I want to be on this set working with these people. I mean, Denzel. I've worked with his wife. You know, Paul. There's an end. You should have said something. Yeah. You know, but you know, what's so interesting about that. But when she, spoke, you know, when she speaks, it's like wisdom comes out of her mouth. It's just like, it just resonates. No, that's what happens with him. When he speaks, it's like, usually it's like he has something, you're like, wow. Yeah. Like, yeah, not even always like the specific

thing they're saying, it's how they're saying it. You can just tell they know things. I've told that story, right, when I met Denzel. I haven't told that many times, so. Tell that to be twice. I go again. No, I just said, oh my God, Mr. Washington, Denzel. You know, I'm an actor. You have any advice from him? He's like, yeah, never go to anyone else's premiere. Only go to your own. Wow.

I go, well, you don't need to be at that shit. If you're not in it, you don't need to be there. You know you go to too many premieres when? And then, six months later, I was doing press from my movie, this movie Urban Legend. Yeah. And I was at this hotel. And I saw him, I go, Mr. Washington. So he turns around.

He goes, yeah, I go, hey, you gave me advice about six months ago. It was what I say. And I said, you said, don't go to anyone else's premiere. Just go to your own. And he goes, he goes, yeah, okay, yeah, I know I'd say that. And I go, well, guess what? Tonight I'm going to my premiere. He goes, all right, all right.

Gives me a shake. And he goes, guess what? I go, why? He goes, I'm not. He gave me a wink and walked off. But I'm like, that was, but I listened to it. I was like, I don't need. Like, I was always invited to people's premieres.

And if I, unless it's a really close friend or it's my own, you know, I don't, I don't have business going there. It's like I don't need to go, you know, I'm not going to go to a premiere just to show up. Like, hey, they want you to go to this premiere, who? These producers, I don't know them. I don't do it. I don't do that anymore. I've been working in Canada so much that

like I'm barely down here right now, you know? Like, I'm just It's different then. Yeah. It's different than always go into premieres because there's so many premieres all the time. Yeah, so that I, like being in LA, I can see the difference. All right, this is called shit talking with Nathan Mitchell. are my top to you know this because you listen yeah top tier patrons uh patron dot com slash inside thanks

for the support we need you and these are questions this doesn't have to be rapid fire but little east says what are you most thankful for my family and the good people in my life you know because without you can have all the success in the world right but if you don't have people to share it with what does it matter yeah right and so my friends you know the people i i walk through life with, you know, that, like, that's what I'm most thinking about. I keep thinking about when your dad, when you were going through a tough time on that vacation, and your dad said, like, he's like, no, no, it's good. You're all right. You know, and he's trying to, you know, pump you up. And I'm just like, God, I never had that. Just never. Like that moment, never, never had it.

Hey, you're okay. You're doing a good job. You're nothing. So it's so weird to hear that. It's amazing how that sticks with me, that little thing. Yeah. And that goes so far. I mean, it's so important. It's just vital, I think, for, you know, parents listening to this episode to just listen to your kids and support them and comfort them. The world is tough. Their developmental stages are, they depend on you. And if you don't care, if you don't listen, if you don't act, you know, I don't know. I just feel like it's, it's vital.

And you had that. Yeah. You know, you had somebody to turn to. Yeah, both parents, you know, like they were. Yeah. That's phenomenal. That is beautiful. Jessica B.

What is the last thing you did for the first time? Whoa, whoa, what? Okay, God. That should be your line in a movie. And it's the last thing you did for the first time. Oh, man. Also, what do you think, Ryan? I don't have a fantastic memory.

I'm thinking too, right? Yeah. What would I do last thing he did for the first time is come to a convention, a smallville convention. Oh, okay. That was the last thing he did for the first time. Also just kind of New Jersey. Well, I don't, have I? Maybe.

No, I've never done a live podcast before. I've never done an in-person podcast. Are you serious? Yeah. This is the first one? This is the first one. Well, we've been talking about it. at it for a long effing time.

I know. I know. You know, you came over to a party I had. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, I immediately was drawn to you. I just loved your disposition. You're just, you're just a cool dude. You're just, and I'm not saying cool isn't like cool.

I'm saying you're just a genuine person. You're just easy to hang out with. And I was like, I like this guy. And on top of it, you're talented and work a ton. And so I've been trying to get you on here. Hey, listen, man, I've been trying to come down. I know, and you live far away. Yeah, you know, it just works.

When are you going back? I'm going back very soon. I'm only here for like a few days. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Leanne, if you can only describe yourself using one word, what would it be and why? Chill.

I would agree with that. Yeah. Chill. Yeah. Because I, like, I give a fuck, but I also don't give a fuck. I would say, for me, it'd be two words. Yeah. neurotically kind

oh wait sorry how do you feel about that no sorry sorry sorry I thought you were trying to describe me like that I'm like no dude that's that's you that's me yeah not you a little I would I can be really chill and I can be neurotic

and I could be yeah you know hyper-focused and completely unfocused I'm a lot of things I mean one word to describe yourself I you know you say chill yeah I mean, that fits for you. I'm just thinking, what we're,

Ryan, what would fit you? I would say chill. Deceptively, chill. Deceptively. Fair. Creative. I'm creative. You, you struck me as when I met you at Niagara Falls.

Like, you just have this, like, joyful, youthful disposition. That's true. You know, you're just joking around, having fun. And I'm like, yeah, I want to be like you and I'm older. like keeping that's all i want to do i just want to have fun i want to i insist on fun yeah i insist on kindness and fun in my life um kelly s which do you enjoy more acting or the martial arts oh wow okay yeah yeah acting that's you know when i was doing martial arts i had you know i was I won a national championship, like a junior national sparring championship when I was younger.

And I was fairly, you know, successful at it. But it wasn't giving me an emotional fulfillment. It was like you go into the ring, you fight, you win. You know, sometimes you lose. But like, you know, even when I won, I wasn't getting this, you know, some like inner need met. And that, like, that's part of what encouraged me to go closer towards acting. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Bob Kay, how do you deal with regret? How do you, you know? I don't. I still regret so much. Not really. I think you got to,

you have to make peace with what's happened in the past with the things you didn't do that you wish you did or did that you wish you didn't. And you have to, you have to accept it. And own up. Yeah. Own up to it. Yeah. Own up to it. Yeah. It's just say, hey, I'm sorry. It's so much easier to say i'm sorry you're right than to argue with someone or be a jerk about it's it's easier to say hey my bad if only other people felt the same way but you know what that's not everybody all you can do is look out for yourself yeah all this is a smallville lunchbox for you we're gonna do so sweet i love you can cut the doys out of it oh my sorry should i put two nathan yeah do it yo i would be there you go i would be flipping out like like 17 year old me i'm on the back

bro bro yeah you're gonna sign that too i mean you can't sure do it do i find it charming as hell dude i love it i'm honored like that that as you know from everything it was just it was such a special show it was man i'm very i'm very lucky i'm lucky that i'm able to you know still you know meet the fans and it just got legs people love the show and you know it's exciting so dude this has been awesome. I loved having you on here. Jenny and Georgia on Netflix. The Boys, Season 5, well, season 4 you can watch

right now on Amazon. I mean, I got to go and watch the boys. This has been a blast, man. I love having you here. It's a long time coming. Thanks for being here and continue success, my man. Thank you, bro. You can get protein at home or a protein latte at Tim's.

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And he mentioned Toronto in the intro. Speaking of Toronto. If you're in Toronto, go to Comedy Bar on Bloor Street. Have you been there? I have. It's fun. I'm wearing the sweatshirt. Oh, yeah, if you're in Toronto.

If you're in Toronto, I think there might be in multiple locations now, but yeah, good time. Yeah. God, I have filmed more in Toronto or not. Well, I filmed in Canada. I've done a movie in Canada. I've done a series for seven years in Canada. I did another series for two years in Canada. I did another movie in Canada.

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