Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - OG Ghostbuster Ernie Hudson

Episode Date: January 19, 2021

Absolute legend on the podcast this week. Ernie Hudson (Ghostbusers) joins to share his story of overcoming adversity early in his life and chasing his passion for acting while scraping by to provide as a father and husband. Ernie opens up early in this episode on the importance for him to be a good father, because of the lack of one he had growing up. We also get into some reflections on his role in Ghostbusters, his frustrations around being typecast early in his career, and what he’s actually afraid of. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and like how we kind of got into the acting business was really cool broke down and out went and saw play and went huh yeah I mean and uh you know you found out that the one thing you wanted to do was be a dad and I thought that was really neat yeah man because you know he didn't know his dad his dad left when he was young before he was born and his mom died when he was young like like three months old and so you think i don't want freaking kids but it's a great story and without further ado let's get inside of the legendary ernie hudson it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience.

Damn it, I knew you'd look good. I knew it. It just, you look better at 60, what are you, 65? No, 75, man. What? How do you look so good, man? Are you juiced up? What is the hell?

Well, thank you. I'll just say thank you, man. It's a new year. And no, I just, you know, things are good, you know? But thank you for the compliment. It's a good way to start the year off. Well, hey, you're well. welcome and it's a pleasure having you here and uh you know i was talking to you know every every white

guy always says he has black friends but i have i've always had a lot of black friends i've had black roommates and like that you know and so of course i call all my black friends to say ernie hudson's coming on the show they're like what that's the exact response what and then they start talking and they go over and they know you like inside out and they were really pumped which made me nervous because i know they're going to finally listen to my show great you know what i mean so i know you've been doing a lot of press and stuff like that for Redemption Day. And I didn't get a chance to watch the movie, but the trailer was intense as shit.

Usually you watch these trailers and the publicists send the stuff. And you're like, okay, okay. And this was intense. And I was like, I wanted to see more of you because it seemed like you were kind of the leading man's mental, like you had to keep him in the right state of mind. But also you were boxing and fighting. I saw it was like, okay, I got to see more of Bernie here. So, you know, it's funny because as we get older,

I'm always like Well how come I'm not in the fight scene And how come I don't kick the door in And Because they see a number And they kind of go But this is a movie You know, about this vet

You know, there's a crisis situation He has to go in and rescue his wife And I play his dad I'm now the dad I'm everybody's dad Even though it's hard Because we never see ourselves that way But

Right But he's you know, my character is kind of, you know, he's a dad whose son is sort of unraveling and having a lot of issues with the PTSD and, you know, he's in a very delicate place because a lot of guys end up committing suicide and on and on and on, and when the son has his crisis. So I'm kind of there to support. I'm a guy who trained him to fight when he was a kid. I'm the guy who he followed into the military. And so just my responsibilities as a dad, that's kind of what I do in the movie.

But Gary Dearden, who stars in the movie, he's great. He played my nephew on, I have a television show. I executive produced called The Family Business on BET, and Gary played my nephew for a while until we killed him all. Nice. So I felt I wanted to be in this movie and be there to support him as well. That's awesome. Now, you have four kids, right? How many are boys?

Yeah, I have four sons. Four sons. How old? All just very different and, but all great guys. And then I have two grandsons, three granddaughters and two great grandsons and one great granddaughter. So life happens, you know, and it does. I'm not a dad.

I'm 48, my grandmother's 92, and she's like, you'd be such a great dad. I'm like, yeah, you say that. And then you have the kid. And then I know how much I get mad at myself, and I'm like, God, I'm a terrible father, and I'm this. And then I can't, my depression, I can't sink any lower. I can't do it, Ernie.

I can't do that to myself. I think, don't you have to be mentally prepared to have children? Well, I think you, um, you know, it's the only thing that I ever wanted to do. Like, you know, people say, well, you want to be an actor. Um, but as a kid, the only thing I wanted to do, was to be a dad because I didn't have a dad. I don't know which relationship you have with your father,

but I didn't have a dad. I didn't know my mom. So for me to get the chance to be a dad was like the ultimate most important thing ever. See, that's beautiful. I had to do it. It's not that you're better prepared. But I will say parenthood is not for everybody. And that's definite.

Well, you know, I look at that. I look at your story and I don't think a lot of people know that, but, you know, you didn't know your father and your mom passed away when you were just a couple months old. And I'm like, I had parents. I was from a dysfunctional family. I mean, we are dysfunctional. I mean, the more you sit here with me, you will realize that, Ernie. But most families are.

I know. Everybody, nobody gets a clear break. Every family in one way or the other, some more, some go more than others, I will admit. But, yeah, they're all dysfunctional. But you said at a young age, you were like, I want to be a dad. Was it because, you know, you was like, I didn't have a day. dad. My mom, I didn't know my mom. I want to have a family and create this atmosphere that I didn't have as a kid. And this is what I want to create some kind of like something you didn't have.

Was that it? Yeah. I think as a kid, because, you know, I didn't, nobody knew who my father was. And so I would really young, I would kind of latch on to men and kind of hang around and hope they would kind of, you know, like me and want to be my dad. And then they would all say, get to hell with me. And that was always so, so I thought when I grew up, I'm going to be. a good dad and I'm going to do all the things that nobody did with me and and so yeah it was my way I thought of yeah doing and giving being there for somebody the way nobody was ever there for me but I realize later on that your issues are your issues not theirs but still I will say being a parent was the best thing ever happened to me I think kids will make you more than than what you're

You dig so deep, you know, you go to places for your kids and you would even consider for yourself, you know, there things you could do that you kind of go. Now, I mean, I can sleep outside, but my kid, no, I'm sorry. But you're level-headed, though. Like, I can just tell by talking to you for, like, a few minutes that, you know, some of the roles you play are not so level-headed, and then some of the roles you play. So it's all over. I mean, you're an actor, you're a great actor.

So, but then when you're a parent, how do you. I mean, you've got to be the bad cop sometimes. You got to be the, I mean, like my dad, I'd rather him smack me in the back than yell at me. His voice was so powerful like, don't ever let me tell you that again. And I was like, oh, my God. It was just terrifying. Like, did you have to hold yourself back? Kids could piss you off.

And the worst kids are kids that aren't yours. When you have kids over your house with your friends' kids and they break shit, you can't reprimand the child. You have to say, uh, John. Could you talk to your child that just broke my Star Wars toy that I shouldn't have as a 48-year-old man? But what do you, like, what do you, like? You know, people say, well, you really love children. I go, I love my kids. But, you know, but it's, yeah, there's a way that my son recently told me about an incident.

And he's 50 now, 50, Rockies 52. And he told me about an incident that happened. And I, and it was just awful, and he's been, it was really kind of upset about it. And I said, wow, man. And so what did I do? I mean, because I know I didn't hit you. And he said, no, no. He said, but it's the way you looked at me.

And I'm like, that's it? It's a lot. But I knew I had a way of looking at my kids like, okay, that's it. You know, cut it. And I can always, you know, I always had that. I didn't do it often. But when I, you know, because if we go beyond this point, you're in trouble. Wait a minute.

You didn't give them the death look very often. You know, if we're in public and you start to get a little crazy on me, do? You don't want me to go there, you know? And I would always, I won't say I never whipped my kids because in those days you did, but I would always negotiate.

It's like, okay, listen, what you're doing is really kind of stupid and crazy. And I understand you did it, but maybe it was a mistake. So I'm going to assume it was a mistake. But I don't want to have this conversation. again. And then the second time, all right, you did it again. Now if you do it, I think you want me to do something crazy too. So I'm telling you, do this again, and we're going to be,

so after about three warnings, then it's like, okay, all right, this is, this is apparently what you want to happen. But we never really got to that third and final. Well, I got to. Rarely, I should say, rarely. I have one son who all kids are different. I have four sons, and they have totally, what works for one does not work for the other. So that was the other hard reality. Also, the hard reality is I wanted to be a dad because I thought I wanted to do it right. And no matter how right you think you got it,

they say, you know, you really screwed me up, dad, and you really kind of, you know, you were awful to me, and you weren't there for me. And I'm like, what? You know. We remember different things, right? My son, one time I was a single dad, I was a single dad, and he was at Columbia in New York.

and that was costing a lot of money and I went to Sam and he said Dad, you know, he says, you know, you've just never been there for me. And I'm like, I've been this single dad since you were seven years old. I said, if you think about

when you learn to ride a bicycle, I'm the guy that was running behind the bike holding you up. I mean, every single birthday, I'm the guy who bought it, but kids will interpret it. It's not what happens is how they interpret it. And you have to be able to say, okay. I mean, it hurt me at the time.

I mean, I remember I was standing there crying because I thought, how do you say? I'm not, me declined. Sorry, sorry about that. That happens to me, too. I have to decline. Yeah. But, yeah, no, so parenting is not, no matter how well you think you do it, they're going to find issues. Yeah, that's difficult.

And, you know, my friend Chris and Roger and I, we always talk and we're like, you know, sometimes when we got hit, we're like, we deserved it, man. I mean, kids nowadays get away with murder. They're on their things and they're not listening and they're just like, and like, no, don't hit the child. It's not that you hit the child, but like a little smack in the ass. It's like, come on, man. Like, hey, snap out of that.

What are you doing? I got what's called mall arm. I just made that up, but it's called mall arm arm, um, where I'm in the mall and I'm just being goofy and yelling and doing stuff. My dad goes, stop that. And then I'm, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just stop that. And then I do it. And then he just grabs your arm and you're just like, it's like,

It's the scariest thing in the world. Do you ever give them a little mall arm to the child? Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I know. There'll be a place we just, we cannot go. And we're definitely not going here in public. You're not going to do this to me out here. So, yeah, but I always would, we always, especially my older two boys,

I had four sons. So the younger two, you know, me and their mom, we've been together throughout the whole life. So there's a whole other experience. I mean, you know, they would always go to mom, you know, anything. to happen. Mom, you know, dad is looking crazy. But the older two boys,

you know, it was... Give me that look again. Yeah, they could always run the mom. But, yeah, you know, there's certain things. I mean, I always tell my kids, you can talk to them when even when it was small. You can talk to me about anything. I don't care what

it is, how awful, I don't care. There's nothing you can't talk to me about, but how you talk to me. You can't talk to me. You can't talk to me. anyway. You got to, and I don't ask for anything I won't give. I'm, I'm never going to disrespect you. I promise you, but on the same token, you got to, you know, I'm not asking anything that I'm going to, so that was always my, and we would talk. We talk about stuff that other parents probably wouldn't, but if they want to talk about it, that's like sex talk,

sex talk, whatever. Oh, I can never do that with my dad. Oh, me and my grandmother who raised me? You're kidding? I couldn't even say the word sex. I mean, that. It was, but no, I just feel that most things, I remember when they were real young by two older boys, like about maybe three and six, and we would have our talks. And I said, listen, you know, you guys, because I felt they were holding something back, something had happened. So I said, you know, it's okay. If you guys want to curse, I said, you know, now normally you can't curse in front of me. But just while we're talking now, use any language you want to use it. okay, it's like it's just for now, you know.

And suddenly the words started rolling out of their mouths. I'm like, literally, I was like, you didn't know they knew those words. Yeah, I, yeah, stuff. I didn't, I didn't, have said, you may, of course, kids know, you know, but they keep it from you. But, um, and I kind of go, okay, it's, now time's up. I don't want to hear anymore and they've always been respectful. Times up. If I hear one more word, in fact, I never want to play this game again.

that's it you said enough for 50 of those games yeah my dad was always like the extreme like i think he did a lot of drugs and he was young and uh you know so it was like i never smoked i never drank i never did this if i ever find this you're going to a halfway house so i remember i the neighbor gave me it pierced my ear and i came home looking at my dad with just my left side of my face and i said hey dad would you care if i got your ear pierced you'd get you'd be out of the house if you got your ear pierced you get your ear pierced you're out of the house i'm like all right, I'm going to stay at Naths for the next four days for this eels. You know what I mean? He was like extremely strict. Then I found cigarettes. Then I was at his dentist in Long Island.

Years later, I had graduated high school and I was at Long Island. The guy was fight tooth decay with Dr. Jay. And he lived on Long Island and he did the work out of his house. How I didn't get an infected mouth. I don't know. But I remember talking to this man. And I was like, yeah, was my dad always been such a, you know, kind of a, you know, conservative tight ass. because your father used to whip it out. He used to swear. He used to, he did, I think he invented cocaine. He starts going on about my time. Like, what are you talking?

This is not the, so you find out things about, were you one of those fathers that just like you wanted them to think you were perfect? Or did you say, hey, I did this. I did this. Or maybe you didn't. Yeah, no, I feel that the best thing I can do for you is to be honest. That's why I never, if you, if you want to bring the subject up, I'm going to tell you the truth.

So if you don't want the truth, don't bring it up. I always wanted them to see exactly who I am because, you know, I don't, I'm not hiding anything. In fact, my kids probably know me better than anybody else. I mean, I, and I can relate to, you know, if they go through that. I realize it's, I tell my kids, I know what it's like to be 21, but I don't know what it's like to be 21 now. you know what I mean and say you're seeing things that I didn't see so I'm not going to judge you because I come from a different time and a different experience and I can I can appreciate that right I have an opinion but your opinion is probably more valuable than mine as far as you're concerned because you know what I didn't know and I think I've always felt that way with them but I never wanted to I don't yeah no I don't like to and even in general I don't like covering up hiding stuff I got nothing nothing to hide. I'd rather have it all out there and then live with the consequences, then to always be afraid that the consequences will pop up at the worst time.

Ernie, I know this is going to sound weird, but would you be my father? I mean, that's pretty amazing how you could be so just like, hey, if you want to know the truth, this is what I did. There's really, I think that actually helps the child, you know, if I said, dad, if my dad took me aside and said, listen, I drank, I did this, and it messed me up. And I had a really tough time. And if you're going to ever try that, and I hope you're smart enough not to, but if you get into trouble, you'd call me and I'd be, that was not that, he was not that guy.

He was, you're going away if you get caught. If I catch you drink. So there was almost that like I wanted to fight back. Like, screw you, man. I'm a dude I want. So kids, it's a hard balance. I wouldn't know how to be a father. And I, like, I give him the benefit of the doubt.

He did the best. I always say he did the best he could. That's what he did. Yeah. I bet you know how to do. And you have to respect that, you know, because you can never know what they're seeing. Most of it's fear.

I think if I was really afraid that maybe they would judge me, they wouldn't respect me if they knew that I did something. But I always felt like, hey, man, this is it. And I have value no matter what I did. So I didn't feel I had, but a lot of parents are a little bit afraid of if they really knew the truth about me or something. Right. You know, when I was, I was broke and I was losing my house and I was in, you know, just really, I wasn't going to pretend that everything was fine.

Man, I'm, you know, I'm out here. We're broke. I got no money. And I don't know what I'm going to do. So someday, if you ever get to this place, you know, just know that this can happen if you make certain choices. Wow. Well, you know, this helps a lot. Thank you for the therapy.

But, like, into your career now, like, you know, you're facing all this adverse. You don't know your parents. You're growing up with your, with your grandmother, Arana, is that right? Yeah, Arana, yeah. Arana. And, you know, she's obviously teaching you some good values because look at the man you've become. I mean, was she like very, was she strict? Was she a disciplinarian?

No, you know, I remember the last whipping I got. I was about 11 years old because that was, you know, kind of her way. And she was really hard with her kids. So when I came along, she was just kind of, and we went to church a lot. And she would always, because I was always curious about it. they were talking about, she would always kind of break it down in a way that I could understand. So we had long, long conversations. But when I would do something, rarely, but when I do something, she would find the ultimate thing was whipping. When I got to be 11, I didn't wash

the dishes, and she gave me a time limit to wash them. She went to church, came back, the dishes still saw her and watched it. She had just had enough. So she got the belt out, and she said, I'm going to whip it. And she started whipping me. What in my mind, I thought, because I was would always be so afraid. It's like it would just freak me out, be screaming because I didn't want to get a whip and I'd be crying. Then I thought, well, I wonder how bad it would be. So I just kind of, I was sort of standing in.

She hit me and I thought, well, it's not bad, you know. And she hit me and she kept, I thought, you know, it's, it's okay. I mean, it's not as bad as I thought. I'm kind of processing what this is. And she just exhausted herself. And I'm like, you know, come sit down. You need some water here? Oh, my gosh.

The last whipping I ever got. Later on, I wish I still got whipping because she didn't whip me, but she would lay that guilt on me, which was worse than whipping. But I think, yeah, she just realized that she couldn't take that approach because, honestly, it didn't. As long as you're afraid of it,

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And I really didn't get it together. I'm still trying to get it together in terms of like figuring out who I am and all these things. I think you found out at a young age, which then you became this playwright and you were doing all these things. And I just was, you know, how were you, did you excel in school? I mean, to be a playwright, you've got to be a good writer. You've got to know all the, I mean, did you do well?

No, I think I graduated high school with a 1.7 average. I mean, you know, it's like, well, you know, my grandmother, who was born in 1895, for her, the biggest thing is if you finish high school, so it was the only thing she ever asked me, just finish high school because she thought, you know, you finish high school, you're good to go. But in 1964, that was not the case. And so I didn't really, I just wanted to finish high school, which I just didn't really work very hard. Until the last year in high school, when I began to realize that, oh my God, this is my life. And so I decided to join the Marine Corps because that was kind of my saving. And then I got discharged from Marines because I had asthma. And I found myself back at home a little bit lost. And then I got married. And then we had a kid. And then I went, what the hell? This is my life. And it's over. So that's when I began to think outside the box and say, okay. I always like writing poems and little plays and stories. And so when I finally managed,

I went to Detroit and got into college, that was kind of a natural extension. But when I first got discovered theater and walked on stage, I knew that this is, because up until then, I've been trying to get a good job. I've been trying to, you know, taking my family.

I've been working hard doing, and I just felt so bad at everything that when I got to theater, like, wow, I got this. I can do this. And it made sense to me. How old were you? Probably about 22. So it was an audition or a play?

No, maybe 21, somewhere there, 21, 22. And was it a play or an audition for something? Or what was it? Yeah, it was a play. I mean, I took this at, well, first, my wife and I, we went to Detroit. And like I said, we were married, had a kid. And just, you know, I'm just trying to find a way to not have to work in a fact. my whole life.

So we had an argument of when I was, you know, she just really got on mine. I just had to get the hell out. Right. So I got in my car and I'm driving around Detroit. I got nowhere to go and I don't want to go back home. And so I drive by this little building. It has a marquee out front and there's a lineup of people. And I was like, wow, I was kind of curious about it.

So I parked the car and I asked what was going on. on and the guy said, it was a play. It was a Detroit Repertory Theater. And so I thought, I'm not going back home. So I got in line and I went in and sat down and this play, the curtains came up and there was a play about a father whose daughter had disobeyed him and got in trouble. And so he disowned her. And then finally in the end, they reconciled. It was amazing. It was, I was so blown away. It was just, I sat there. Everybody left thinking, wow, I mean, is so, those actors, if I could do that, I mean, but it was, I could never do that. And then that fall, I needed an elective.

And so I took an acting class. And when I, when I said, I walked on stage in the class, which was held in this theater, called the Hilbert Theater, when I walked on stage, I just felt at home. I just felt at home. I felt this is, and then when I began to understand what was required, what the actor was what I'm like, okay, if I can, I got this. It's the first time I felt really good at something. Wow, you weren't nervous.

People say, well, you do what you love to do, and I kind of go, you know, it's essential because I don't, I do love it, but I do what I can do. I just couldn't ever do anything else. You know what I mean, I could kind of do it, but I wasn't the best at it. Whereas with the acting, I felt like I can at least aspire to be the best. best said. And you weren't nervous? Did you get the fear at first? Or are you just like I, there was this innate confidence to you? Well, it was, you know, I was always learning and picking up. It wasn't the fear as much as I need to know that I got to prepare. I got to make sure.

I got to put whatever. But no, I mean, I can do this. I mean, my fear is I can't get a job and I can't pay the rent and I, you know, have a real life stuff. But this is, I mean, I'd learn the lines. I say the lines. And then I get paid. I mean, how? Okay, all right, but here's what I'm thinking. You just got in a huge fight with your wife. It's bad. You had to get out of there. You go see a play in Detroit.

You fall in love with the theater. And then you go back home that night and you say, you know what, honey, who's pissed off at me? Just speaking of not making any money, I want to be an actor. I mean, what? Well, you know, when I went back home because I didn't, you know, we talked about the glam shore. But at that point, I didn't even imagine. I didn't even think it would be possible for somebody like me to be an actor. That was like, I saw these actors, they were bigger than life.

I'm like, man, this is, it was too big a prayer to pray. Right, right. But that fall, when I took the acting class, and I began to get a sense of this is how it's done, and I heard all the horror stories. The following year, I left and went out to L.A., trying to find work and get in, not to be an actor, just trying to find work.

And I couldn't get connected, and I called home and my wife, and I'll always give her credit for this she said well why don't you there's nothing going on once you come back and and get into acting and do that acting thing you really like that and I said well I can't be an actor because actors

you know they the average income for an actor is less than the janitors make I mean actors you can't make a living at it and she said you know you're broke already you're not going to lose any money so at least you'll be doing something you like wow and and I came back

and I got in theater and I got cast in a play called the Emperor Jones and from then on it was my life and I've always managed to make a living at acting and this was in 1960

1960 no I guess yeah it was just a 1960 wow you know you asked me how old I was so this was in 1966 something like that but I always has managed to, and not always a great living. I mean, you do a play

and they pay you a couple thousand bucks, and you use that to pay the rent, the gas in the car and you do, it was a hustle. There was some local TV stuff I was able to do, but I always managed to hustle enough to where I could be full-time at. I had dinner with Joy Montania

and Joy Panlione and I know him, yeah, yeah. Tim Daly, we're all having dinner, and they were talking about different jobs they had along the way. And I said, you know, I never really had, once I committed to acting, that's what I've been able to do. You know, I never had to go and be a waiter or whatever. That's amazing. Did anybody, who was the first person you recall that?

Because I think this means a lot. You have people along the way, mentors, certain people who just believe in you and everybody says, no, no, no. And there's one that goes, you're really, who do you remember said, hey, you're. You've got something. There's something here. You got this. You should really do this. Yeah.

Well, you know, obviously nobody that you know, family or friends. That's all right. You know, you're out of your mind. First of all, I was married and had a kid. You know, you'll be an actor in Detroit. I mean, really? You know, you want to quit your factory job and do this thing. But that professor I had, a guy named Earl D.A. Smith.

Matthew was just amazing. And a guy named David Regal, the ones who produced the Emperor Jones, they were really, you know, they were really. And also, I would always get cast in the lead, even when I started out. So, and we did, and the reviews were always really good saying that I was, whatever. So it was all these signs along the way. You know, I always say theater is like a love affair. It's got to be two ways.

but when you're putting everything out and she's not giving anything back, maybe it's time there. Maybe it's over. Right, right. So she's always giving me enough back to let me know that she's, that she loves me.

So, and that's how I love my son's a musician. He struggled and he's in his 50s now, and I'm saying, well, you know, but I don't know, I mean, from my perspective, she hasn't really, you know, you've given a whole lot more that she's given you but because you as a dad you can't say that but a certain way you you know you want to be supportive but it's it's interesting i'm going through a a thing like that

you know me i've always loved music i've loved it more than anything in my life even though i've acted my whole life and had a lot of success with acting um and then i always said you know i shouldn't do this because i'm not as good of a singer or as good of a musician but i was like well that's absolutely asinine now there's a difference between if you're trying to do something to become to make a lot of money from it to be whatever it is you want to become a rock star or whatever and so for your son the same thing so i think i love it so much that it would be a disservice to myself and my mental well-being not to do it yeah so there's no reason why you shouldn't continue to be passionate and love what you do and if something happens great but have

no expectations other than just trying to be great that's what may has helped me out with my because I'm always trying. I've got to be great at this. I've got to be great at this. If I'm not great, then I'm a failure. And that's something that I've been working on therapy and all that shit. So I feel like it's great that he's still playing.

It's great that he's doing his thing. And, you know, if he loves it, keep doing it. But if that's what he's trying to make a living off of, you know, it could be putting pressure on yourself. Right. Yeah, I feel the same way. I think you recall the certain things. But sometimes when you do a certain thing,

another path will light up. You know what I mean? And you start out this way. Most of the directors and producers I know started out trying to be an actor or trying to be something else. And then they sort of, it's connected, whatever. But I think you have to do what you do, but you still have to, especially when in my son's case, you've got kids. You know what I mean? And so you have a responsibility.

I would never, say, sacrifice my kids because I want to do the acting. you know what I mean it's I got to find a way to they have to come first at least until they're able to do so but you have children and so you can still do your music but maybe you have to work a job

and do it at night or until you can get that deal now if I had to work a job as soon as an acting job came up I never worked a job that I couldn't quit you know what I mean I'm a job that was so important to me it's like as soon as anything happens

I'm out of here. Right. But I got to find a way to pay the rent. And so if it means that I, you know, I can sleep on the street, but my kids can't sleep on the street. So if my career, my acting doesn't love me enough, then I got a, I got to get someone who does, and then we'll just have a little side affair here, you know. Exactly.

You know, and that's how, until I can find a way that I can totally. Yeah, but I think children are, that's a big part when you got kids or you have other responsibilities, but, you know, I'm responsible for myself. And as a dad, I kind of go, you know, it's not my responsibility. I mean, I'll take on a lot. I'll be there for you. My whole thing is, you know, the difference between you and me is you have me. I didn't have a me. I didn't have somebody who I could, you know, and I want to be there to support you. If you come to me and you're trying to do something and you have 85. percent and you need that extra 15 percent to kind of get over.

But when you come to me and you said it's something you want to do and you only have 5 percent and you want me to kick in the other 95, something's wrong. And that, you know, that happens more often than not. I'm like, dude, this is your thing, man. I'm, you know, I love you, but, you know, I'm not. So that as a dad, yeah, yeah, it's a little hard, you know, and you know how much it means to them, but you don't want to be disappointed. You don't want to disappoint someone.

Right. But if you love music as a part of you, yeah, I wish I could play music. You know, I consider my body as my instrument, but I would love to be able to play. I could definitely make sense out of guitar. There's nothing, by the way, guitar is easy to learn. I'm telling you, there's the tutorials. I've been playing a while, but to learn a G, a D, and a C, you could pretty much play every hit you've ever heard. I mean, and it's easy, and once you get some calluses on your fingers,

You got nothing to do. You just grab a guitar off the shelf and just kind of strum. And it's just soothing. You should. I'd love to do that. And maybe now at this point, because now I have a little more time, because not chasing that acting thing, it might be fun to, I've always liked to sing. So be able to play with that.

That would be, it would be kind of fun. So you're a good singer? Well, I don't know about a good singer. I say I like to sing. What do you sing? I've been paid to sing. I used to do musicals years ago. I can learn a song.

I'm not a singer. But, yeah, you know, I mean, I can hold a, you know, I can hold a tune. I can, yeah. Let's do BG's right now. Let's do the BGs. Let's do the BGs. When I was a song I learned in grade school, start the day with the song. Had to go.

So I just say, I feel better when I sing. I sing when I don't even know I'm singing. you know it's uh yeah that's true i'm telling you right before we did this ryan and i were singing from the nights on broadway doing the bg's singing that and we were just having fun and it's just like you automatically there's a life and a spirit and a it's just it's i love it i love music um i wanted to ask you about you know you got you started acting at you know things started happening and you started, I mean, you did the, I guess, the sequel to Dolomite and you did a bunch of roles. Now, I think about these things because a lot of people don't realize how typecasts, what is

typecasting, especially if you're not in the business, do you think it had to just irk the hell out of you? Because, again, I talked to my African-American friends. They're like, dude, we're playing the pimp or we're playing this and they're not giving us opportunities and they're not getting. And you see it. And you're like, you're right. Like, how did this go on for so effing?

long and were you want did it just piss you off because here you are a town actor and you're working and obviously you became a legend but in the beginning and you're doing all this stuff did that bother you a lot that all these roles like black guys were getting women black women they were they were getting the same roles yeah yeah i mean it's um certainly the projects weren't i love now that it's more diverse and and and the Hollywood has stepped up and try to be more inclusive, and so you see shows that you never would have seen even 10 years ago. But in those, I think it frustrated a lot of people because, yeah, it was, you know, with some negative role, and definitely it's not about you. But I, my thing was always a little bit

different. I guess I never, if I was playing a pimp, I never really saw him as a pimp. I was playing this guy who just happened to be a pimp. I know it's kind of a weird thing. I was like, oh, I'm the stereotypical. I'm like, this is a guy who's in trouble and he's doing some things. And so I went from sort of being the heavy because I was kind of physically fit. So I'd be that heavy, you know, the kind of guy. And, but it was always, it was always personal, you know, I was playing this guy. And then I went to best friends. Suddenly I was doing a lot of movies where I was best friends. You know, I'm in the story, but it's about Robbie Benson, but I'm Robbie's best friend.

Right. And so it was always very hard to find those things that I'm a central part of the storytelling. And that's very frustrating because or you're in the thing. One of the things that happened when I did the first Ghostbusters, it came out. It was such a big hit. and I used to get invited to come to schools and talk to the kids and I would go there and I'd make a honorary ghostbusters, you know. Nice.

And the teachers liked it because the kids would play ghostbusters, but they wouldn't fight each other. They would chase the imaginary ghosts and trap him and all that. So, but one of the things that kids would ask you, first it confused me because the kids would say, where does Winston go? And I'm like, where does Winston go? And they say, yeah, where does Winston go?

he was in he was there with with the other ghostbusters then he left it where did he go home where is his home you know does he is he married does he have kids we don't know a damn the amount wasn't where's Bill Murray we kind of see him in his you know his little studio or Danny in his little lab or or you know we get a sense of you know what is outside of what we're seeing but with Winston he's just there he just pops up and um so That's, that's, it's frustrating. That's changed a lot. But in the meantime, you know, you have to keep, you know, keep working.

Hopefully you can bring something. But I will say, and a lot of people would not like him to say this, a lot of times, I had a friend, we were auditioning for this thing. And he came in looking so ridiculous, and he was doing this really stereotypical interpretation. And I said, man, what are you doing? And he said, yeah, yeah, you know. And I said, well, why are you doing that way?

I mean, why are you kind of shucking and doing whatever the hell are you doing? And he said, you know, that's what they want. And so that's what who wants? He said, that's what they want. They want us to be that way. And so the assumption is that I better go ahead and do that. And I just, I never assumed playing Winston that I had to be subservent. That's sad.

It makes me feel kind of bad that he would think that, but he was probably They had, rightfully so. I've been on auditions where people, in fact, one of my actor friends, I came in, and it was a part of, it was a part of a cook, really. But I came in, I had a t-shirt on in my arms. He said, man, you've got to go, you've got to cover your arms up. And I said, well, why? He said, ain't going to let you want to scream with your arms like that, man. You know let a brother come in because you're going to be.

And I'm like, who says it? But it's all these assumptions. and actually you help perpetuate this stereotype unknowingly because you are doing what you think they want you to do. And until somebody comes along and kind of go, why can't I produce it? Why can I direct it? Wow.

That it changes. That's more powerful. That's pretty powerful. We grew up believing, oh, we say, they'll never see an interracial relationship on TV. You'll never see that. Because, yeah. And for a long time,

did. I mean, for a long time, it's like, oh, it's not going to happen. And now I'm Lily Tomlin's boyfriend. That's amazing. But you had a different perspective, Ernie. That's rare, that you had a certain innate ability to come up with these roles or have a personality, and you didn't, like, say, oh, this is the pimp roll or this is the cop, and I'll be like this, and I'll be

like some, you had a perspective on this character, which obviously gave you a lot of I knew guys who considered themselves pimps but I didn't see them as pimps I knew him as my friend you know Jeremy's a pimp but Jeremy I know Jeremy I know his mother

I know he's Jeremy you know he's a person he's not a pimp and a lot of actors felt like you want me to play the pimp you know I want you to play Jeremy Winston is Winston I don't want Winston to be the black guy and I've done shows where even the directors would kind of not so

suddenly say, Ernie, could you, you know, just do it a little more, you know, that thing you do? And I said, what thing? Well, you know, that, you know, that jive. I mean, just, just make him a little more jiver. Jiver. Minnie jiver. Yeah, you know, I was like, come on, man, do that thing you do. And I'm like, I don't do that thing. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Oh, my God. I can just see it. This guy is. This guy is. He's a guy who's trying to be his family, and he may have to do these things, but he's not. You know, we see him.

We think we know everything about him, but that's not who this man is. And so if I play him to be this, then he's not a person. So I had to, even though I did one show, it's called Too Close for Comfort. Oh, you used to love that show. Yeah, Ted Knight. So I played a part where they accidentally knocked a hole in the wall.

And so to get it repaired, there's a prison system where the former prisoners, you can hire them to help, you know. So they call the hotline and they hire me and my ex-fellee partner is a white guy. And so we walk in the house and they show us a hole in the wall. And so my line is, holy my hell you. Now, I don't even know what the hell that means. I mean, honestly, I'm like, and I say, I don't understand. And he said, no, no, just say it.

And so I would say, oh, no, say it with energy. And he wants me to do this, holy my hell you. I'm like, this was crazy. So I talked to Ted Knight, and I said, Ted, do you understand this? And Ted is like, no, what the hell is that mean? Doesn't make any sense to me. And all the other actors are like, no, you don't just say that. Don't say it.

And then finally the producer said, listen, when you audition, you said it. And you said it perfectly. And I hired you for that. Now, either you say, holy me hell you, or I'll get somebody else who will. Now, I need the job. So I walked in and I said,

holy my hell you. Fuck it. I mean, but it feels like, what does that even mean? I never heard anybody say that expression. So it's always a little bit of that. And sometimes you have to go,

you know what, I'm not doing that. I did a show in the very beginning, years ago called Highcliffe Manor with Shelley Frebray and Steve McCaddy and and it was about it was a pilot, it was a series and I played

a voodoo priest who had crossed the the Atlantic in a canoe me and Steve McCattie and so every other line was Buanna and I had gold teeth and earring and um no no sublana it was just with and i really i mean i was me and the kids you know

things were really tight and i wanted the job it was paying more money i haven't made and i'm like i went in and uh and i got the part and i worked on it for about three days and then uh i just i just had a hard time you know it was just so the goal all that stuff and so finally i went to the producers, and I said, you know, I can't do this. I mean, first of all, his name was Bambo. And I said, you know, there are guys who would jump up and down to get this role, but I can't. So I just quit.

Wow. And they called me that night and said, hey, we don't understand. I said, well, listen, I, you know, I got kids, man, and I just, you know, I can try to work around something, but this is. It's just, no, I can't do it. And I'm not mad. I'm not saying you wrong. I'm just saying I can't do it.

And I can tell you, most of my friends would be happy to do it for the money that will pay me. And so the next day, they called and said, well, listen, Ernie, we really want this to work. So how about we changed the name from Bambo? His name is Smite. And we still like the voodoo priest thing, but he's a voodoo priest who graduated from Oxford.

And he has a British accent. And if we can do the, we don't have to say Bwana. And so they did no gold teeth. Let's give her the gold teeth in the earring. Who does that? You know, so we were able to work it out. And normally, you know, you're so angry that you go, you call them racist, you see a bunch of awful things,

and now is a battle, and now everybody hates everybody. but I think the fact that I learned that you can just say, no, I don't, I'm not comfortable and I don't want to do it and people will try to work with you. Wow. Well, listen, you know, I got 10 minutes because I know you got a busy schedule here, so I just want to make the most of it. So back really quickly about Winston when those kids were saying,

where does Winston go? Wasn't there a story, wasn't there a part that was edited out or something that Winston was supposed to have, then didn't happen? Yeah, in the very beginning, and I've been writing. We have different recollections. And Ivan was saying, and I'm saying, Ivan, I'm sorry, man, but I don't remember it like that. I'm not saying you wrong.

We're both old men, so maybe one of our memories is a little short here, but maybe it's mine. I don't know. But in the beginning, there was a backstory. Winston came in in the very beginning, you know, when they firstly, the university, remember they get kicked out of university, and he comes in, and he's an ex-air force colonel. who was a demolitions expert and he kind of ran the ghost buses and so

and then just before we start shooting they wrote him out. I mean basically instead of coming on page 8 he came in on page 68 and all the backstory where I come in and we talk about who I am and I'm auditioning and I'm explaining

what I do. He just says you know there's a steady paycheck and I'll believe anything you say. And And I find that's just a funny line, but you don't get to know who this guy is. You know, you just, you know, it's a funny bit. But unfortunately, it doesn't give you a lot to play.

So as an actor, you have to bring all of that with you, and hopefully people will see it. You know, your mailman comes up. You don't know everything about him, but you can see in him who he is. Yes. And so I think the studio probably, worked over time

to try and make sure that the Ghostbusses were always thought of as three guys and I think it's the fans and I really appreciate the men who really embraced the character and at one point Winston was one of the

best-selling dolls they had and they were surprised but I think that's that's because the fans really love the character well speaking of fans these are my patrons this is called shit talking with Ernie Hudson this will wrap it up. These are rapid answers

unless you want to talk about it, but I know Priscilla is going to be ringing in in a minute. Shit talking, this is, okay, Sophie M. Now I know, I didn't say this, Sophie did. Now, I know you ain't afraid of no ghost, but what are you afraid of? What fears? What are you afraid of, Ernie? I'm afraid of being afraid.

When I find myself afraid of something, I think, okay, something's wrong. I don't like being afraid. I don't either. Raj, you've been vocal about, we already, Raj, we already answered your question about Winston's rolling Ghostbusters. But what about Ghostbusters Afterlife that's coming out next year? Do you have a

backstory? Is there something a little more there? Yep, yep. Yes, Jason Ryden. Jason, I love Jason. Jason is definitely a complete character. I love that. Jason, you could have given me some small role, even one like, I get you a cup of coffee, Winston.

Something, you didn't. And I'm not going to forget it. We play hockey together. Did you realize how popular and cultural, cultural institution Ghostbusters would be while you were filming it? No, I don't think. You know, you make a movie. I felt it's going to be like number one at the box office, but movies come and then you move on to the next thing. I didn't expect Ghostbusters five years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, 25 years, 30 years. People are still seeing me on the street and yelling who you're going to call. So, yeah, no, I didn't, I don't think anybody could have predicted. at that. Lisa H. Staypuff marshmallow man when he defeated after crossing

the streams. Was it real marshmallow they used to burst all over? You were something less fun. It was shaving cream. Big bats of shaving cream. They poured all over us. And then they had about a ton of it that they had raised up on a lift and dropped down on Bill Atherton, Walter Peck.

So it was all shaving cream. It was awful. Hopefully it wasn't menthol. Angela F., what was it like working with Brandon Lee on the Crow? I love Brandon. I knew him eight years before he did movie um brandon was one of those really gracious guys who always made everybody on the set feel welcome and um and uh he was he was a friend and i it was shocking i still can't believe what happened happened but um it's really tragic that that he's no longer here i think he would have been very proud of the movie and i think it showed just how truly talented he was but

Miranda you get started so many classic tv shows taxi at a team and by the way there's a list if you want to go to his Wikipedia or IMDB, geez, you work more than anybody I've ever met. What are the first ones that pop in your head in any one little story that's funny from any of those like taxi? Did you mean, what's his name? Christopher Lloyd.

Andy Kaufman? Do you work with Andy Coffin? You got a little funny story about Andy? Yeah, he was working as a waiter during the time we were rehearsing and he showed up on the day, but he was funny. the um was a taxi a taxi that um Tony uh Tony Danza yeah Tony Danza uh I went in and I audition for a taxi and it just wasn't happening

I tried to do everything to and they said thank you very much I knew I didn't get the job so I walked out of the office and Tony was standing on the Paramount lot and I walked by he says hey hi he started the conversation he said how did it go and I said I don't think it's going to happen. He said, come with me. So he went back in the room and said, hey, I want to read with this guy and we read and I got the job.

What? Yeah, the fact that he actually, and I see, he's a friend and I see him from time to time at different events, but it was just really special and rare that he literally took me back into the room and gave me another chance. So you didn't know him.

He just came like to him like, hey how you doing what's going on we go we go in audition how to go how's it going with you and you're like uh i sucked or yeah and then he goes let's go read you're gonna read with me everything's gonna be great yep that's pretty much it my god i mean i love working with him um what a nice guy but yeah no he yeah uh this has been amazing first of all i just i i really like you you're you're a great guy and i hope you come back on the on the show anytime you want to come and just have a talk i mean i love this i hope you have I'd love to. It was really fun. Redemption Day. When is it coming out?

Coming out January 8th and on demand on January 12th. Great. Digital and on demand. Last but not least, can you just please give me that Ernie face that you gave your kids every once in a while? They're just kind of like, they didn't want you to do the face. Hey. That is that, see, that, that would scare me. That's it. You're a second away from busting my ass right now, Ernie. Yeah, we're there. And you don't, I want to go past this moment. I can't promise you anything. It was a moment.

You jumped into it, and then there was a beat where your face relaxed for a second. And that's when I go, oh, wow, that was that would... And, you know, it works in this business because people get real stupid in film and TV and entertainment. I also can do that face when people just go a little too far, back to hell up, and people always do. I don't, I know.

I don't play that. You're not yelling at me. this is how we're going to do this. I love it. So you have to have a defense. That's my defense. I love it. Hey, this has been more than a treat.

I love to talk to you again, man. Thanks for allowing me to be inside of you today, man. I hope you had fun, man. Had a great time. Thank you. Stay safe and healthy and, yeah. So we're saying ghostbusses. Keep on busting.

I love that guy. I hope he comes back. You know, I always hope. Is it sad that I always hope that the guests like me? I'm like, I hope Bernie liked me I hope when they call him a year from now and they go, Mr. Hudson, Michael Rosamomomom like to interview. Who's that?

Michael Rosamomomom, you did a podcast from now, no, no, I do not a podcast. That guy kept bringing up my past. No, no, no. By my children. I don't want to talk to me. I want to give it another shout out to all the patrons and thank you guys. Remember, Sunspin, my band is playing.

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