Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - PAUL WALTER HAUSER: Blackbird Mindset, Clint Eastwood Experience, Impostor Syndrome & Chris Farley Love

Episode Date: August 15, 2023

Paul Walter Hauser (Black Bird, Richard Jewell) joins us this week to share how he mentally prepares for his transformative character roles in projects like Richard Jewell and Blackbird, while also being present, hilarious, and able to do a mean Gilbert Gottfried impression. Paul opens on the dualities he’s faced throughout his life and how he’s been able to rewrite his narrative of destructive self-talk. We also talk about our shared connection to Clint Eastwood, why Chris Farley was his hero, and how he treats acting like sport. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I mean, I like, you know, my guests, of course, but this guy, I was enamored by his performance. You were. You really were. I really was. I was like, you know, I watch a lot of stuff. And I was like, this guy is an actor. I mean, that Clint Eastwood movie, I'm not going to mention names right now because of the strike. but um the series that he's on just nominated for a golden globe the guy works constantly uh the guy

i'm talking about is paul walter hauser well pa pa pa paul walter hauser career doing pretty good he strikes a good balance between um comedy and drama oh he can do both he can do effortlessly yeah he's adept at both comedy and drama and uh you know we talked about hanging out and and he invited me to something. But I love the guy. I totally want to hang out with this guy. He's just such a down-to-earth. Dude, I hope you don't blow up too big.

I mean, I hope you blow up big, but your head doesn't blow up. All right, Paul, don't do it to me. Always come on the podcast. Always have time for me. Look, if you like this podcast, if you're here for Paul, always ask, if you enjoy it and you're like, hey, that wasn't half bad. Follow us on our handles, Ryan. at Inside of You pod on Twitter,

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Me and Heater are going to go film our show. Yeah. Yeah, a reality show. We're going to go do that at the end of November. So a lot of good stuff. I got a little children's book coming out. Oh, yeah. And Simon and Schuster are distributing.

So we'll inform you more as that comes along. The band is Sunspin. It's my band. We perform every month at stage it.com. You can go to sunspin.com and find it out and get zooms with me and Rob, and we'll be posting new videos we made, and the album is out. We're selling the vinyl, sunspin.com, support the band, the podcast, all that stuff. And Ryan went on a little trip with his dad, a little bonding experience.

Yeah, it was great. Did you cry? No, I didn't cry this time. Did he say things like, Ryan, I'm really proudy and I love you? I mean, yeah. What's that like? It's great. Well, we play guitar together.

when we go camping and we wow that's cool good bonding what do you play with songs what did we play super tramp no we learned uh uh the beatles song two of us just the two of us

that's one nailed it uh but that's cool yeah and uh james taylor oh yeah i got eagles eagles always comes up so you play you played that in the woods yeah did you see any wildlife no Wildlife. No? No. Why not? Because we're deep in the room. We were in a very specific camp site. Oh, so there's other people around there. Yeah. They didn't care that you were playing

guitar loudly. Yeah. I just want peace and quiet. And these Teia's folks are just effing it up. All right, without further ado, let's get into it. Let's get into Paul Walter Hauser. It's my point of view. You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Hey folks, wanted to highlight something important before today's episode. In case you weren't aware, myself and many of the guests are on strike alongside SAG after NWGA. Today's episode, and any we air before the strike ends, were recorded before it began. So this is just a heads up in relationship.

to some for the topics we may discuss. If you want more info on the strike, visit sag afterstrike.org. Now let's get into it. You have such a good, like, radio voice. Do it really? Yeah, you do. You're saying I have a face for radio, you son of it.

No, I did not say that. I said in tune with you also having a face for film and television and, you know, brothels, I think you also have a voice for radio Or as the kids call it podcasting Or how about I always wanted to do trailers But no one does them anymore

I'm obsessed with the old trailer voices The La Montaigne guy Was that his name? Something LaMontaine needed He passed away didn't he? He did he did I think from some throat related No

No no Oh my God That's why he had you in a world I always loved the one who used to, there was a, there was a voiceover guy who worked for like UPNWB, probably back in the day, not, not like right around the time you were doing Swalville. And he would, he was like so earnest and kind of all sounded like this older soothsayer guy. And he would talk like this, he'd go, this week on an all new ever would. And he would be like, on an all new one tree hill. And it was like a serious. voice would like maybe narrate a war documentary but he's like talking about the relationship between treat williams and the kid it's just uh it's just a very very funny thing to me so i'll be in the kitchen and i'll just be like chopping vegetables right or like pan frying burgers and i'll be

like on an all new pan fried burger to yourself one cheeseburger will satisfy the cravings of Paul Houser until he gets another. Like I just like I just say dumb stuff like that to amuse me. Does your wife say shut up ever? Will you shut up? Not so much shut up as an eye roll and maybe she'll leave the room at some point. Yeah. Well, that could have that's like my dog does that to me.

Would you rather be told three choices? Okay. Quiet. God. Shh. Shut up. Which one? If you had to have someone to say it's something to you.

it's hard i'm just picturing kevin spacey saying that to anthony let me do no oh that's malcovich no quiet shut up that's good no but uh quiet shut up or what's the third one third one is is no third one is yeah quiet shut up and i think the sh is is the most belittling yeah it's like i I'm not even going to dignify you with words. And it's also like, we shush dogs. We shush. Children. Yeah, we don't shush adults.

You shush an adult. Like, you will see Rick Moranis turn into, you know, the Incredible Hulk. Like, a small man could do a lot of violent damage by being shud. I choose quiet. I think quiet's kind of funny. Or snap. That's the worst. Don't snap at people.

But I don't mind. I always say this to people. I always say this to people. do this to me. I was cracking a joke because he was being inappropriate and everybody around me was on my side because they always are. I just had some freaking veteran actor. I told me a dick. And I said something and at one point he went to me. He put his hand up and he went, eh. And I was like, oh man. Did you, were you confrontational? You just let it go. I was doing the thing where someone's being inappropriate. You crack a joke to lighten the mood.

but the joke is also pointing out the absurdity of how the person's acting. And by the second joke, that person caught on and got frustrated. I got frustrated with the guy on set. Michael Ironside. Remember him? I know him well, not personally, but I... Scanners? No, when I think Mike Ironside, and I say Mike, because we are dear friends.

When I think Mike Ironside, I think of the machinist. Oh, yeah. With Christian Bale. Yeah. You know, here's the thing. thing we're on set and i'm like always goofing with everybody making the crew laugh everybody's having fun yeah i'm sorry yeah i want to entertain and this guy is on set i don't know old school or whatever and i come on and i'm joking i'm like you know i'm doing like you know uh hey how are you

all right looks good on you though rodney yep and he and he's like there and i he looks at me i put my hand down he doesn't shake it goes you're that guy huh oh and i had my skin and i had my skin scanner's poster in the trailer and the way he said it to me i was like wait you had your scanners poster in the trailer for him to sign you're that guy huh yes you are that fucking but i am but but also i'm like i like i'm like i'm trying to think do you get autographs from actors that you're working with on a rare occasion if it's like something really special i i would for sure like if for some reason I got to work half a day with Robert Duval where he's playing an old Southern judge

and he's working four hours to give a half-page monologue. I would for sure shake his hand, tell him what a great admirer I am and then see if he'd sign something. Most people, I mean, I've only asked people that are really cool. Steve Martin was awesome.

It was the last day on set. You know, Stallone signed my Rambo lunchbox. Stolona would have signed something Yeah he's like You have a Rambo lunch bucks I owe to you That's so good I love doing

These impressions are so good man You do impressions I do some but like I feel like I'm totally Outsized No give me one that you'd like to do I I do like a lazy

Willem Defoe where it's just like Peter Peter Parker He comes into the room And he thinks he's gonna do something until I green goblin his ass That's like that's like a six and a half out of ten I could know I could feel it though

I could feel once you started talking I could see his teeth How he has that thing going that's the thing with his mouth And then there's uh gilbert goffreed with I can't believe I'm on michael fucking Rosenbaum This guy that that is close I think Yes it's great and then um I think I I think I do

Who's the guy Alex Jones I don't know who that is The Info Wars guy Who's like All right let me tell you What's going on right now Basically

You got Michelle Obama Who is an alien She's an alien Oh yeah I know that guy Yeah I do I do like some of him But I used to make SNL audition tapes

Nobody would even watch them That was always my dream To be on SNL Same that was my dream It was my dream And I did this pilot For Pete Siegel Who directed Tommy Boy

and he the co-writer on that was this guy who wrote on SNL all the time who was it um for some reason i forgot his name okay he's like one of the big writers i'm a big SNL nerd so he lived right up the street here uh but uh allen's why bell no but he said to me says if you do this pilot for us because they fired somebody and they needed me and they at well they needed someone they asked me and i was unsure if i wanted to do it and he goes if you do this i'll get you an audition for s&L he never did It's a big carrot. Never did. Never even returned my call.

Okay, don't say his name then. No, say his name. No, don't. But he wrote Tommy Boy? I think with Pete Siegel, didn't he? The writers of Tommy Boy. Terry something. Yeah, Terry Turner.

Oh, it's not Terry Turner. Bonnie Turner. No, maybe he didn't write on it. Anyway, it doesn't matter. All right, back to you. So you do all these impressions. You're a funny guy. Fred Wolf.

Fred Wolf. That's it. And he was a nice guy. super nice guy but he never did what he said he would do well he might have been ashamed like i thought i could maybe i tried and they said no and now i don't know how to tell mike that always honesty is always the best way fred wolf can you just be honest for five seconds no i um i've done that with folks too where like i'll i'll say send me your script i'll read it and i would say realistically i probably read six out of every 10 scripts i say i'll read

that's a lot um i might read one yeah i feel bad about that but it's also it's also like you got to peg the person like this happens at the highest levels too it's not like this goes away if i if i do a movie with ethan hawk and and i'm like cool if i get your number man would love to throw you something down the line yeah sure man hit me up or here's my email yeah it's not like Ethan Hawks going to jump on that and be like, I'm immediately going to read your shit. You would have to hit him up once every eight to ten weeks. Just to check in. Just to check in and remind him and whatnot, yeah.

Like I did you? Like you did me. Sort of. Not really. I mean, I message you and you message me right back. I did hit you back right away. And it was just to kind of, I wanted to make sure you didn't think I was being a big time. not even yeah or even just the most basic of what we're talking about which is just dismissive

big time or not people can be dismissive and I never want someone to feel like I don't but you don't know me anything you didn't know me so you know sometimes like I want to guess I'm really fond of their work and sometimes they're not even that big of an actor but I just love their work and want them on sometimes they are and I do it not all the time but every once in a while not often but every once in a while I will say you know hey I want to go through you if you read this and the podcast if you know me or you care yeah i'm a big fan and i'd love to have you on whatever and you know usually people do it yeah i i think this stuff is really fun man inside of you is brought to you by quince i love quince ryan i've told you this before

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in the survey so they know I sent you. Don't wait. Download the Rocket Money app today and tell them you heard about them from my show. inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Rocket money. I know some actors hate doing press or putting themselves out there. They're like, well, if I talk too much about my thing,

then it doesn't, then it's not special. And you've kind of shown, lifted the veil or something. I'm like, I don't care. I just, it's fun to talk to people. And I like trying to promote what I've done because we all work hard on our stuff. Yeah, well, the thing is with you, you don't, you can't show everything.

Because even like you joking around now, the reason I messaged you, I was watching Blackbird by myself. And I love dark shit. I love, you know, look at me hard. I can't tell. Yeah, geez Louise. And I was just enamored. I was so, look, I'm not blowing smoke. I tell everybody in their mother, they've got to see it if nothing else for your performance.

Oh, thanks. Because it's just like you can't take your eyes. And I remember the first time you open your mouth as, uh, Hall, Larry, Larry Hall, the serial killer, right? Yeah. Yes. Um, because something said like in Wiki, it's a suspected serial killer. I guess in the story, he's just suspected. Yeah.

And then they figure it out. But I watch this performance and you do. It's, it's so, it's so unlike you. I mean, it's the, like, it's good to know. Well, I know you're not a serial killer, but no, I'm, no. I'm saying your mannerisms, your voice. I've never heard this. Maybe I have, but seldom from an actor.

I don't know what you did, but you would be talking to Eagerton, right? Yeah. And you'd be having a scene with him and you go, your voice would go up and it would sort of go down. So you go, well, yesterday when you were telling me that you had, I was like, what is you doing? And I couldn't stop listening to you. You know what I'm talking about? It's the voice and the, and the. draws you in a little bit and it was kind of sad and you didn't want to like him but you kind

weirdly were starting to and until things started unravel i was i was just blown away i thanks thank you man i think uh yeah terran edgerton i i always say i'm like he's a really good dance partner like sometimes you just get blessed with a co-star who you're doing the majority you're the bulkier work with and it's like hell yeah uh he's one of those hell yeah guys Um, but I, yeah, I try to get Uber specific and just try to make it honest and, um, and not, you know, crazy. My brother, my brother, Matt, um, he, he was with me on a leg of the press tour for that. I, or at least he went to the New York premiere. Great.

Oh, great. Dope movie. Just a cool movie. Unexpected. Yeah. Like I was like, all right, let's go see this. And I was like, right? It was really.

You know, the first time I read that script, I was in Canada doing a pilot for lifetime with a bunch of cool people. And, you know, the show is just okay, not something you'd be like, I got to tell you about the show I'm on, but the people were like fun. And we're having a great time up there and I'm feeling so blessed and spoiled to have this type of a gig, series regular. They're paying me decent, even though I've got like nine lines on the pilot. It's so easy. but but i'm there and i get the offer for the audition on i tanya um because i think josh gad had the role but then he got busy with brano's uh train movie the murder on the ori express murder on the asian express yeah you can't say that kenneth brano a fucking asshole

thinking man um but i'm like prepping for the audition i'm reading the script and i'm laughing my ass off the first time i read it it feels almost like a christopher guest yeah or something yes and i'm like a psychotic christopher guest fan um and then i'm gonna have michael mckeon on oh stop stop he was on smallville too he was great i love oh he's been emailing back if he's like yes i'm coming i figure it but go ahead um but i as second time i read it i wasn't laughing it read more like a david o russell thing where i'm like these are broken people who are bleeding all over the place type of thing and and i was like well that's kind of a good sign if one made me laugh and the other almost made me cry

just on separate reads and I'm like this is a cool movie but then when you're doing it you never you never know you never know wait why was I talking about because you were getting to blackbird blackbird because you're uh oh oh crazy people don't know they're crazy so my brother said to me on

that leg of the tour whatever he was like you know crazy people my character in itania Sean Eckhart he's like crazy people don't know they're crazy and that's what's so scary about crazy people because we're all capable of doing something crazy and what most of us have. But this idea that you don't know you're crazy,

like that's crazy. That's scary. So with Larry Hall, I just had to really own that crazy and not be, not let the audience think that I'm cognizant of it. And yet he's emotionally manipulative for sure. And that is what the audience clues in on a little bit.

And they're like, okay, well, I was almost starting to like this weirdo. long as I don't have to stand next to him. And then it's like, okay, now, now I think you might be messed up. Oh, he's, oh, he's that messed up. Oh, I hate this guy. Kill this guy. And then, of course, we, the audience feel what Taryn feels in episode six.

But it was an arc. It was just, you had to get there. It wasn't just, and I always say this, it's like, you know, if you're going to play the bad guy. Yeah. You got to, because bad guys normally aren't trying to be hated. They're, you know, they're trying to get what they want. want they're trying to you know they're manipulative they're psychotic they're uh narcissists or

whatever it is um but yeah that that that was incredible i always think that the best villains in stories or at least talking movies tv are the ones who spell out what it is they're trying to do they'll they'll actually give you a verbal peek behind the curtain as to what what's making this what the engine of thought is so like heath ledger when he's burning the money and he's like it's in dark now he's like it's not about the money and like uh christoph waltz in the opening of him glorious bastards where he's like let me let me explain how i see the jews or whatever like knowing the mind behind it is so it's such an intimate thing for an audience to clue in on and it makes you hate the person even more and it's and i feel like we did that in

in episode four or five we start to really flirt with knowing why Larry did what he did and then it's like oh to this extent oh did somebody kill this guy yeah yeah absolutely all the great villains you get a peak i think yeah it's almost like they're like this but this is what i believe christopher waltz what is he how does he sound i don't know i've never done for christwaltz i don't know but i know he does this thing where he talks about quentin tarrantino that's it that's it off the cup um honestly don't don't don't inflate it. Don't be like, oh, well, I spend four years just creating this character. How long from the inception or the time you got cast, did you audition for this character in Blackbird?

I did audition over Zoom for Dennis Lane. And did you do exactly what you do pretty much in the in the mood? Did you have? Pretty much. That was, it was like if if what I do in the, in the show is a well done burger, I showed Dennis like the, the medium. yeah and he kind of helped you mold it and kind of helped you oh yeah he kept like the voice modulation was tough like that was all dennis going hey your voice is unconsciously getting higher i think around episode three four here we should start to have them use it as like a manipulative tool and um see i knew yeah i don't think a lot of people when i bring that up they're like oh cool i was going crazy with the voice it was just so in and absolutely and absolutely

and like almost like you were singing in a way not singing but like your character yeah there's a musicality there there was something that yeah it was just sure but did you did you have tapes to listen to his voice no there was like 12 seconds of composite audio on youtube and some random local tv documentary that's it yeah i didn't have any footage i richard jule was different richard jule i had like 12 to 15 hours of crap they sent me and i was like dope this is going to be easy all I got to, it's like, all I got to do is get that voice down. I already look like the guy. Like, that, that takes care of that.

Um, but this was more interpretive, which is hard. It's not hard as in not fun, not hard isn't hard. Digging a ditch is hard. Teaching in an inner city school is hard. Uh, but it was, it was trying and not fun to put your brain where it has to go. Because there is the Lawrence Olivier try acting to your boy thing. Yeah. which I get and we you know we all appreciate that to whatever extent but I'm the type of person

where I'm I don't know that I'm a good enough actor to fake it I kind of have to think about raping and killing in my head while doing the lines and that's not that's I know there are going to be people that think that's really uncouth and why and how dare you and what's the point of going there but it's like that's that's what I do to enter you and make that character feel believable without actually raping yeah it's for the love of god it's not like i'm one of those actors there but but by the way there are these actors who are like i'm gonna play a junkie so i got to try meth i'm gonna try heroin it's like no you fucking idiot like you don't have to do that but but you know what you could do is befriend somebody who did

do those drugs and get some information sleep on the floor for five six days and malnourish yourself and do some of the stuff that the junkies do and you'll be good right as rain. Yeah, can you have fun on set while you're doing a part like this or are you method? Thousand percent you have to have fun. So you can like cut and you're like anyway. So the other day...

Yes, but it's also not that I'm not that brilliantly ambidextrous. Like if I'm doing a really hard scene that involves a certain amount of mental gymnastics, emotionally, verbally, whatever, I will go off and I won't I won't flaunt it but I will go off in a corner in a sound stage with earbuds in and I will you know listen to the national or something and get myself in the place I got to beat pie we're half a week in a bottle of Barolo

that guy's always drinking wine isn't he? I think so. I saw that documentary he did, Mistaken for Strangers with him. Oh, it's great. Really? Mistaken for strangers. It's the lead singer of the Nashville going on tour with his brother.

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podcast that unpacks real life horrors one case at a time with deep research dark storytelling and the occasional drink to take the edge off we're here to explore the wicked and reveal the grim we are wicked and grim follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform it's interesting it's funny i have a relationship with my brother where it's sort of like you know there's a little bit of that i won't say much more of that but yeah it's it's it's difficult you i want what i want him to I want him to do all the, you know, but you can't, you can't, you can't be. You can lead a horse to water, yeah. You know, you just got to, yeah, I spent years trying to fix my family and things.

And I said, this is crazy what I'm doing. This is fucking crazy. If any, and I know I'm crazy. So, yeah. It was just weird. It was tough. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, here's what it is. It's not, it's not like the blind leading the blind, but it is the colorblind leading.

I'm colorblind. There you go. I am. You know what I mean? And, but we've all got a version of that word. I used to want to fix people and didn't realize I needed fixing. Yeah. Now that I'm working on myself and have done a pretty good amount of fixing,

I wouldn't say 100%, but I'm at 45, 50. Like, now I don't want to fix everybody else because what I've learned is it's not about an advertisement. It's about attraction. You know, you attract it. You don't advertise it. Do you drink? Do you do any pot smoking?

No, I did. Pot smoking? I am I used to I used to do weeds yeah no I I loved and I'm using the word love here I loved marijuana and and red wine and really expensive scotch and and cheap ass beer and and then like hoppy 8% were made in a freaking Asheville North Carolina beer but I got to a point where I I just realized I was like, dude, I'm way too addictive of a person. Dictive person. Like, I'll watch four movies in a movie theater in one day and not blink.

Like, I'm like, bring it up. Wow. I will eat seven slices of pizza and be like, this is normal. I'm like, I'm like a fountain soda. Let's fill it up three times. I'm going to die. I want to see my teeth fall out. Can I have another twizzler?

Yeah. I'm not going to get the twizzlers. I'm going to get the Twizzlers and the Red Vines. Now you're just, you know, you're catering to both audiences or whatever. Well, it's as Michael Jordan says, Republicans and Democrats, both by Nikes, right? Perfect analogy. Perfect. Eyes crossed.

Perfect. Let me ask you this. I had to cut it out. I have a year and a half sober on April 26th of this month from marijuana and alcohol. Because it just made me really irresponsible. responsible. And I have a self-hatred that I've been working on for a long time where something in me, it's not even me. I believe in the principal. I'm very spiritual. So like, I believe in principalities in your head telling you, you should go kill yourself. And then you have to combat that with really good behavior and believe that either people or God love you. In my case, I believe both do. Yeah. So you have to rewrite and feed that narrative. And alcohol is like opening the floodgates for the voices. so if I was really drunk it was like man you are gross and no one will ever want to marry you and you're a disappointment and you should kill yourself and I was like well that's not a

tenable narrative that's not sustainable um and so yeah I feel way better man I feel I feel great now well I always say that like I always tell some of my friends who you know they they drink too much they you know and I'm you're their friend you just fucking say something you know if you're a good friend yeah and i do i call people out i just fucking call them out yeah like i i drink occasionally there's a there's i'm 70% on that i would say three out of 10 friends i'm like kind of letting them work through it or i don't i'm afraid they're not going to receive it but then the other seven out of 10 i'm like i took my friend of mine was doing coke one time in front of me and offered it to me been offered coke like six

or seven times never done it because i was afraid because my hero's chris farley i'm not trying to me too oh my god it's mine i didn't talk about them all the time well forgot about that yeah we could talk but but i i kind of pulled them aside and was like hey i know you just booked this pilot and i know you got some money and and the show's getting picked up but like this is a quick way to shit on this golden opportunity and i care about you and i love you that's it and just kind of do that out there and then and i would now i would rather them be mad at me and sever some tire create some distance and know that I said something yeah now that's important to me yeah but it's tough it's tough I think some people should not drink some people should not drink

your problems will you'll still have problems but they'll be easier to deal with they won't be magnified yeah and that's uh it's hard and also problems but get problems right and people forget that like there is a very hyper-constructed chain reaction of events that happen where it's like I'm drunk now I'm kind of I kind of want to get high

now I kind of want to order food now I just spent 80 bucks on Postmates for a burger and fries. I've done it now we've all done it and then it's like now I feel like shit now I'm I have diarrhea from the burger now I'm going to be hung

over I have worked tomorrow Holy shit, did I buy Imagine Dragon concert tickets? Am I going to see Imagine Dragons? Did I buy it for the wrong venue? Did you do that? You son of a bitch, that's a true story. I bought, so there's two,

what is the place, the outdoor venue that's up in the hiking area? The Greek? The Greek. I bought tickets for some concert. It was the national, actually. It wasn't, it wasn't. Oh, well, that's good.

I bought Imagine Dragon's tickets for the wrong night. That's what happened. I went to the Playtium and I was one of the worst concerts of Urbendu. I hated it and I don't know why I bought into their freaking Illuminati choruses. I don't really. I'm not going to say anything back because I just don't know them. I don't know. I don't know them either.

Don't they have one song that I know. What is the one song? Everybody, no, you know more than one. I don't know. Name one. Don't act like you just move to America. Listen, I'm if it's music after 2000. I feel it in my bones.

enough to make my system grow. Never heard it. Never heard it. Welcome to the new age. Oh, yeah. To the new age. Radioactive. Of course you've heard that. I have. I have heard that. What about this one? When you feel my heat, look into my eyes. It's where my demons hide. Yeah. Where my demons hide. You know the music. Don't get too close. It's dark inside. And now I'm going into Dave Matthews Covering this song

He wakes up in the morning He takes a shit Cause he ate a smash burger at 3 a. He orders popcorn from Arklight Has it Uber to his house? He's alone. I do. I did that. I did that. I fucking did that.

My friend's like, you ordered Ubered popcorn To your house? That's like something. I swear to God. I feel like that's something Spielberg's family does, right? Guys, we will not go to a theater in fear of germs and autographs and selfies, but we will order this. Oh, that's amazing. Let me ask you, do you ever get, was Richard Jewel really the first?

That was the first big one. Before I forget, can I quick do my impression of Bob Dylan doing Justin Bieber? Yeah, can I close my eyes? Yeah. Okay. I mean, I wish you would for a lot of things when you're doing here. It's, uh,

Hmm. Is it too late now to say sorry? I've been missing more than just your bunny. Oh, I knew that I let you down. It's too late to say sorry. Right? That is the best one. Bob Dylan,

that is the best one. It's the ending of those. That's one of my favorites. Oh, my Lord. I also love my mobster who does I love my mobster who does Gwen Stefani where he's like that closing him. See if you ain't me laugh. A few times

I've been round that track. Right? But I ain't no hollaback girl. His shit is bananas. B A, N-A-N-N-A-S. That's fun. That sounds like kind of like De Nero doing it. You know? I went up to De Niro at the Saga Awards on a commercial break. Nobody was bothering them. was probably the best moment of his life. And I went up to him and I just go, hey man, I'm Paul Houser. I did this movie, I Tanya, I'm here for that.

I just wanted to make sure I said hi to you and shook your hand. King of Comedy is one of my favorite movies. You're amazing. And he just looked at me and went, oh, yeah, oh, I tell you. That was it. You just made his bitter beer face and nodded and I walked away. You know, I got starstruck. There's this announcer for the Mets.

His name was Ralph Kiner. No one knows who, unless you're a Mets fan. But he talked like this. He'd be like, harmless, cumulus clouds lingering overhead, fans filing it off the subway, a beautiful day for a ballgame. That's Ralph.

That's Ralph. Kiner. Oh, no, it was Bob Murphy. That was Bob Murphy. Bob Murphy. Wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh lineup. Pick any two breakfast items for $4. New four-piece french toast sticks,

bacon or sausage wrap, biscuit or English muffin sandwiches, small hot coffee, and more. Limited time only at participating Wendy's Taxes Extra. And see, I'm such a good actor that I just acted like I knew who that was. You were, I believed it. And then me saying that caused you to say Bob Murphy. Yeah, I was like, oh, Bob Murphy.

You did it on purpose. So Bob Murphy and he would be like- I'm manipulating you this entire time. See, you're jumping into that character again, that Hall character. You son of a manipulative bitch. So, no, I didn't mean that about anyway. It's so harsh. I know, that's really good.

So Bob, you ran into Bob at your... Bob Murph. No, no. So Bob Murphy. I'm fucking up my own story. Bob Murph, so he was like, now it's honey-do. Now it's honey-do season, folks. Honey-do this and honey-do that. Oh, I love that. Toyota drives like a dream.

And so my uncle met Bob on the street in New York one day and goes, Bob, you're Bob Murphy. Ah, you're the best announcer there is. And there was a long beat, pause. and he goes, ooh, that is so very kind of you. Then he fucked off. Wow. Great story, huh?

That's like the perfect interaction, though. I had a moment like that in New York City with, I'm a huge character actor fan because I mean, I am one. I saw James Rebhorn from the game and blank check and sent a woman to meet the parents. Big character actor. He's since passed. But I saw him in New York when I was like, maybe 18 on spring break in the city, I go, Mr. Rebhorn, he turns around, like, stunned that some

18-year-old is saying his name. And he goes, yes, I'm Mr. Rebhorn. James Rebhorn shakes my hand. I go, you're one of my favorite actors. Can I get a picture with you? And I had one of those wind-up code cameras, and I snapped a photo to this day. I don't even know where it is. It might be in my story. But you made his day, that you knew his name. Oh, he made my day. But I made his day. Yeah, it was i think he was probably doing something on broadway or something like that but yeah it's amazing how many great actors there are but people don't know them by name i know you know and like i you know it's funny because and i want to get back to the question about richard jule yeah well not necessarily richard jule but sort of but what was i going to say but if we could talk about me a lot well that's

what the podcast is oh thank god because i was starting to worry it's inside i don't want us to have fun actually having a conversation as to people are we not having fun No, we are. I'm saying, that's my joke. Oh, that's a show. How dare we detour and talk about my career when we're actually having legitimate fun just talking. We will. And we'll continue that. I just want to know if you get like, you know, you said like Starstruck, like that character actor, but like, you know, I'm thinking Richard Jewel is it the first time you worked with such enormous actress because there was a lot of them that and you're directed by Clint Eastwood. Do you get starstruck by these big guys? Does it kind of make you nervous in the first few takes? Does it is this? Or are you kind of like? confident and let's do my thing there was a there was some sort of turn that happened with blackbird where i i think my experience on five and a half months of blackbird with taren and dennis that

kind of broke me of the star struckness because i just i just like a lot of people i have imposter syndrome me too um that's you know that's a normal thing and for those listening i use that term all the time and people are always asking me what does that mean imposter syndrome is essentially like akin to uh you are in a position of some kind be it a marriage be a job whatever and you feel that you don't deserve it or that you kind of stumbled into it rather than earned it um and that you're going to maybe be found out by these people in this circumstance so so i i you know on i tanya i had a day where margot uh is skating and i'm supposed to be talking to her and she kind of badmouths me in this ice rink and i what i knew i

wasn't getting the face I wanted. I wasn't able to like I wasn't eliciting enough pain. And it was because she and I had hung out at that point and talked and like we're buddy buddy. And I was like, I kind of need something from her that will make me feel like crap and I can really live in it. And so apparently the mirror wasn't enough. Um, come on. But I went up to her and I said, can you tell me I'm inadequate? And she's like, what do you mean? Like in the like say that in the scene. And I was like, no, no, can you Margo tell me, Paul, you're inadequate? And she's like, oh, like, she looked disgusted. And she's like, I don't want to say that.

And I was like, I know, I need it, though. And she looked at me, she goes, okay. And she literally takes like a beat, like a thoughtful beat. And then looks up at me and goes, Paul, you're inadequate. And I felt it. And I was like, oh. And it did hurt. And I was like, good.

I'm glad I did that. Then she went away and we did the take. And the take was really good. And she like skated up to me afterwards. was like, I'm sorry, I didn't mean that. I was like, no, I know. I just, because I, I feel that. And then after Blackbird, you know,

Dennis and Taryn treated me like a co-conspirator, like a true equal. And that sort of feeling really rubbed off on me and made me feel like I had a place here and that I could be a leader on an offset. He belonged. Yeah, yeah, really did. And so after that, I would say,

going into 2022, I don't really get starstruck anymore. I was a little nervous. I just worked with Matt Damon and Casey Affleck on a Doug Lyman movie. I have a few more days on that. What's it called? It's called the instigators. But you, Matt Damon, you were a little bit like Matt Damon. Well, Damon Inc. I think Casey's one of our best actors working. And I think Matt is too, but in a different way in the sense of like, you know, Matt Damon will make you bust a gut in some comedy thing and then a minute later he's commanding a Ridley Scott film or he's in a Chris Nolan movie. So I was a little nervous going into that because I'm just like, these are guys I really respect and I want to bring it. I want to bring it. Right. I understand I'm the seventh man,

you know, I'm number two or three on the bench and this is Jordan and Pippen or whatever, but I'm like, if you put me in for three minutes, you better believe I'm going to get you two rebounds and I'm going to score at least once. I'm going to try to block somebody. Hell yeah. I'm going to make that three minutes count. That's a good way to think. So that's just my thing going in now is like I do have a lot of pressure on myself to be great. Right. And what I learn most often is like you don't have to put yourself through some mental rigmarole for every single role. Right. Some stuff you know,

you know how to do and you just got to do it and not question it and pretend you're going to get the peripheral Oscar or something. Yeah. But we both we both work. for Clint Eastwood. I just had one big scene in a movie. Yeah. What was your scene? I haven't seen that film. No one saw it.

It's called Midnight in the Garden Good and Evil. I had like a scene where they cross-examine me, but it, you know, it's a lot of great actors, Jack Thompson and, you know, Spacey and Cusack. And I'm being cross-examined. It's my first role in a movie. And, you know, I'm playing a character. And it was just holy shit. But like for you, and I remember how I felt, it's like, look at this.

This is my first movie. you like when he's like all right paul here's what i want you to do on this one if you could show a little a little bit more vulnerability but don't give it to them don't make them see it try to make it like it's you know it's a private moment that's uh that's that's really good i mean were you like in the beginning like oh my god clinius was directing me it was um no because he would never say that many words Clint's whole thing was minimalism and exactitude, which, you know, I appreciate. Spike Lee does the same thing. So it didn't have a lot of notes.

No. The only notes he ever gave me were speed, like pacing. Like Paul Thomas Anderson made fun of Phil Hoffman on the set of Magnolia. He's like, he's like, this is how I get up and look at a framed photo on a table. He walks up, takes three seconds to walk up, looks at it, goes, hmm, and sets it back down. It's all of eight seconds. He goes, here's how Phil does it. And then he walks up and he's like looking around for like 30 seconds. Kind of gets the photo, discovers the photo. Has like a moment where he's about to cry. Like I kind of got caught doing that on Richard Jewell a couple times and Clint would walk up to me and go,

it needs a little more skip to my loo. Skip to my leg. Pace it up. And I'd be like, oh, man, the boss is right. And by the way, I would say eight or nine out of ten times he was right. And I was milking something mostly unconsciously. And then once in a while, I'd be like, this is a big moment. I think the editor should find the pacing. I need to honor this moment and really feel the breadth of it

and make sure that there's an origin to the conclusion. because some scenes it's like you should have seen the original screenplay Billy Ray wrote a great script no shock there he's Billy Ray but they had me Richard Jewel crying like three or four times in the movie and I was like I can't

we can't have me crying that many times it's going to take all the power out of it and you know doesn't it make more sense to let it build I'll get choked up when my mom starts getting emotional because I'm mad that this is affecting my mother you're right you're right had a little thing there

but then we saved it for the end and we really let the the damn kind of burst and break in the diner scene with me and me and Rockwell yeah that was the right move it was the right move because you don't want to be like

oh god like a slub guy slub character you know you don't want to you want him to have a little bit like you want to have some integrity right you want him to have some well and I don't I don't know that I don't know that integrity is congruent to not crying but I think I think

for me for an audience if we're seeing it happen over and or it's like it's not special sexuality is the same thing in movies where like you know i got beat over the head with so much sexual imagery and cocaine and buffoonery and wolf of wall street it actually made me not really appreciate it watching that film i'm kind of like this might be one of my least favorite scores of music movies yeah you're right it's it's it's a balance and like they always say as an actor you know people try not to cry in the real world of course they don't want to want to cry. Yeah. So, you know, we're not always crying. We're always stopping ourselves from

crying. Like, stop it. Stop it. Breathe. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. You don't want water to come out. Shit like that. Or you're not, or you're not even thinking about the tears because you're in the moment and then the tears will do what they will. And that's usually when they fall down in full on drops. They don't drizzle. They just bam. Yeah. Because you're too busy thinking and feeling that you're not cognizant. Yeah. You know, we're the imposter's because I have always had it. I always think that I'm not worthy. I'm not they're going to find me out same shit. I've always had it and it makes sense because I look back at my childhood. Now when you look back in your childhood, did you have a happy childhood? Did you have like,

I know you went to like a private school? I did. We went to, by the way, we were not well to do. We had we had shit for money. We lived in a really, really dangerous neighborhood and Saginaw, Michigan called North Bond Street. And we had, we had like a police dog shot by a bank robber in our backyard on Thanksgiving night. We had our house broken into, our car broken into. We knew gang members and people that were like selling drugs out of their house. Like, my dad was a Lutheran pastor. So Monday through Saturday, it was kind of like the wire. And then on Sundays, it's like the Andy Griffith show where I'm like wearing suspenders in a bow tie eating donut holes talking to senior citizens in sunday school you know that's what made me the actor and dude i am

i've seen it all well to some to some extent yeah um so so i kind of yeah i just i i i want to answer your question i don't want to just pontificate about my bullshit no no i it paints a picture the question was um growing up what was a i had a good childhood um but you know it's uh a constancy of the dark and light duality and juxtaposition so you know you go to a lutheran school and everything is you know sunshiny jesus but there's also like the the cracks and the foundation and even as a kid i was keenly aware of uh i had a high i didn't have a high IQ but i had a high EQ which a lot of creatives do and so you know i would see like there's this great story of me in one of my closer longtime friends, this guy, Evan Shisholm, where Evan and I in first grade,

so I'm like seven years old. We're sitting next to each other doing our workbooks where you're just writing O's and trying a curse of F out or whatever the thing is. And I noticed he was like very dutiful and very like his studies. He like, I could see him pressuring himself. And so I just for my own amusement started hurrying through my workbook as if I was finishing each thing while sitting next to him and I saw him kind of look over and him try to like hurry up like seeing the competitive nature and then like after I I pretended to have finished the whole workbook or whatever in like two minutes and then he just slams his down and starts crying and puts his head in his hands and you know it's it's a horrific story to some degree because I feel bad that like clearly my friend

Evan in youth or throughout his life did have a competitive edge and that was something emotionally charged for him. Wow. But in that moment, how does a seven-year-old know to play that sort of Mark's brother adjacent prank to another kid? Right. So clearly, you know, there was, there were things like that or my second grade teacher, Mrs. Rathke. She was having hip surgery at the time, and she's teaching second grade, and she's not

getting paid shit. And there were moments where my buddy, Josh Britton would be pulling on her dress saying, teacher, teacher, teacher. and I remember her turning around going, sit down and shut up. And me just being like dying, laughing at the dark comedy of it all,

but also being terrified. There are all these moments etched in my memory and it's always a duality of light and dark and looking back, like I'm still a self-professed Christian person. I'm still a big Jesus guy. But I, like, there are so many things that were fundamentally wrong

about how, the church views women or different races or just interpret some text that they think they have the corner marketed on intellectual thought. It's like, what the fuck, man? Never hear of evolution? What's that? Ever hear of evolution? We evolve. Listen, the Bible itself says, I was thinking about this on the way here. It's funny that it's actually coming up in our convo organically. The Bible has a moment where they say that in heaven or to God, a day is, like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. And so it's like it's trying to say, it's trying to be evocative of the great mystery of like you, you don't know. You don't know.

And that is of course, if this is true, what else is true? So you tell that to a Christian, though, a devout Christian and they go, okay, well, if a thousand years is like a day and days like a thousand years, that must mean that the world's only been around. That must mean. That must that it only took seven days or seven thousand days to make the earth it's one of those two do seven days or seven thousand then right it's like i go back to brian reagan uh the big yellow one is the sun the yellow one is the sun and it's like a kid doing his uh science fair project with all the foam balls as the planets you know it's just and i feel bad for those folks they're not they're not bad people but they sure as hell have a huge effect

on the world and to stay undereducated and to not crack open this thing you hold dearly and go on the journey. It's really damaging. So I think my dark humor and my proclivity for comedy and drama comes from a childhood that definitely was exposed to both in its most pure and gritty forms. Were you popular in high school? Were you picked on? What was it? I was popular. I was popular in my whole life, but I was picked on for being fat in throughout my life, like being a pudgy kid or being How did that affect you? It obviously affected you. Oh, I mean, you know, you're not, you're not getting invited to certain parties. You're not getting laid, nor did I want to. I was busy playing video games and drinking slurpees and studying Saturday Night Live. I didn't care. I didn't need to have

sex. I had, you know, the internet. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. if you had a choice I mean then if the hottest chick in the high school came up and was like hey come out with me and it would have in retrospect it would have changed my personality

I think because you're still growing so much then that I think I would have had different would it have been nice yeah sure a younger little or Paul I wish he would have had a little extra sugar in his coffee or whatever but

the idea is my sort of sheltered virgin mindset at that time is what made me the actor I am and made me go on this journey to become who I am. I like who I am now. I haven't always. So I don't, I don't like the idea of me getting laid and then suddenly like, well, who cares about theater? Who cares about SNL if I could be inside of another human being on a Saturday night? Why am I, why are I do both for the love of God. No, you just went full Farley. I did. Here's what I want to tell you.

Just let the boy sleep in your bed. He's a good boy. He said he'd wash the sheets. Please don't make me watch the seats. Wash your own damn sheets. But you're missing the best part. When he does those impressions. Yeah.

That. After his sentence ago, he's a good, he's a good boy. Will you let him watch? I'm like, what is that? It's so, I mean, it's like throwing salt on a chocolate chip cookie, man. Farley would do stuff like that. Nobody's funnier. Nobody has ever made me laugh that hard.

And I thought he was a really good actor. He could have done a lot of other things. Like that moment in Tommy Boy in the boat, I was like, yeah, I mean, just being vulnerable. And I have told the story, I'm not going to tell you, but I'll tell you as, you know, as buddies at the time. But like I had, I hung out with him a few times. I was, Kevin, his brother asked me to be in the documentary. I told the story of the first time I met him. Oh, that's right.

I saw you in the document. It was, I am Chris Farley. Yeah, I think it was I am Chris Farley. Yeah. But anyway, yes, I had Bob Odenkirk on here who wrote all the, you know, those sketches, Matt Foley. Bob's the one who's very vehemently against the Chippendale sketch. He's very vocal. Yeah, he said it on here.

It was just like, yeah, I didn't like how, you know, that was just. Fatty fall down, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and it's funny because yeah i don't know how that that is i've never been like overweight but i was always really small i was a smallest kid in my high school i started you're so tall i grew when i graduated high school on my license i figured i could find it somewhere i think i was it says five three and what yeah and then i grew like nine inches in between high school and college

the hell yeah it's probably i had back problems you twins you totally twinsed it you went from DeVito to shorts me. I did. But like it was it was hard. It was hard for me. I cried. I cried for being picked on and being small and like so I got made fun of two for when I moved to LA for being a devout like Christian. Like I would be in church at Sherman Oaks Lutheran off into a boulevard behind the Mel's diner every Sunday. And if I was at a bonfire and we were all stoned, I'd be like trying to talk about something spiritual and everybody around And he's like, well, there's no God or if there was a God, why would you let bad things happen? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, but, and then you try to make a point.

And then they're like, well, I don't know. Like, can't every God be God? Like, aren't religions all the same, basically? And I'm just like, well, there's some concurrency. It just becomes like a really tough thing. But you know what? That was also me not being sober minded. The Bible talks about sobriety a lot, a weird amount.

And it says to be sober minded. And I think now that I am, not only have I kicked some of those demons trying to take over my narrative in my head, but I've also clarified what it is, I believe, rather than parroted some sort of religious mimicry that's been passed down almost as a generational curse more than a blessing. Well said. That was well said. I will ask you this one question and then we're going to go into shit talking Paul Walter Houser. These are my, it's fast rapid fire.

It's my patrons who I love. But first, obviously, everybody knows you won the Golden Globe. Everybody loves the speech. It's funny, the plastic joke though, whatever. I mean, it's just, it's guys like you that you see up there and you're like, this is a real dude.

This is a real guy. He's not just not moving, you know, and he's just trying to be look as great and handsome like you were just real you were just up there you looked handsome but you were not trying you were just it just felt like a regular being a human being is what i'm saying yeah and um sorry that will forever remind me of clifford where charles groan says to martin short can you just be a human boy and martin short looks at him like this i totally can't do it have you seen that movie no oh my god have you Ryan no wasn't it ranked one of the worst movies in history?

Yeah, by a bunch of recalcitrant adults. You're going to make me watch it, are you? Everyone who loves to drive has a name for their car or truck. Betty, Midnight, Big Yellow. Your pride and joy deserves a name you can trust. Penzoil. You know the name Penzoil means heritage, passion, and performance. And you know Penzoil platinum, full synthetic motor oil maximizes engine protection.

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keep talking about how I gave a really humble I'm not even I'm going to talk about that I want to talk about I mean you know a lot of people will say it's just an award I don't give a I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit. But to me, it's like, it's saying, hey, what I'm doing, I'm getting

recognition from people. It resonates. It resonates. It's just bullshit to say you don't give a shit, unless you've won 10, you know, but it's just. I give a shit, of course. Yeah. I mean, I would be lying to say I don't care. Um, I think for me that moment was like, uh, wow, I'm, I'm in this conversation that I've been. wanting to be in not because I need to not because I need to go to the Chateau Marmaux and sip drinks with Adrian Brody or something it's like that's not why I need to be in the conversation

I need and want to be in the conversation to prove that I'm able to do great work and just like an athlete I want to win championships this is my sport I do not show up just because it's fun I show up because I'm trying to absolutely murder it um even in a guest star on a sitcom i'm only there to murder it and to try to uh build up and love the people who do the show every single day elevate the show let them out so that's that's

my mindset with that um but you know a lot of people are like well the hollywood foreign press association sucks and the gloves don't matter well it was it was nice it's nice having that moment i enjoyed it yeah the critics choice means even more the critics are watching so much stuff dude they're so fatigue and then a saga words i didn't win but i got nominated i lost to sam elliott who's a legend who i love i want to thank ball walter hauser i just want to say um i'm tired of playing ranch hands yeah let me be in your next nron film can i see this mustache i love that i did too look you imagine i loved him i loved him since i saw him in mask everybody everybody said they were so mad when he said that he didn't like

what was that movie he said he didn't get the western with benedico oh power of the dog i didn't see it he good movie by the way i really liked it um and the acting holy kirsten dunst is an absolute killer in really she might have given my the best performance of the film and it's full of good performances but that film deals with like um the the um how homosexuality was like treated back in the day in that time and in that geographical area and stuff. And it's handled really delicately and beautifully. I really love that. But it was interesting because Sam Elliott was like,

what is that? Kind of like, the hell is this? This doesn't feel like a cowboy movie or I don't, I don't really like this thing. And people were like, how dare Sam Elliott say that? And it's like,

dude, the guy's a hundred years old. He's made a billion of these westerns. Yeah, it's not about anything. It's not like he's picketing outside. Right. I disagree with his sentiment, but like, it's just funny how like any time we have any chance to pick on somebody out.

It's like, everybody's out. You just say something remotely out. By the way, can I tell you why we do that as a culture? It's because there's no accountability at the top. If people were actually held accountable and there was real justice outside of street justice, which street justice is now, of course, the information super highway, people wouldn't be that pissed off. we're all pissed off and outraged by banks being, uh, you know, uh, bailed out and politicians on both sides of the aisle doing whatever the hell they want and promising everything with nothing in return. So for us, it's like, well, you know what? I'm going to be a, well, what is that where you can

make a citizen's arrest. It's a bunch of people going, I'm going to make 80 citizens arrests on all these people who do misdemeanors, but I'm going to treat them like felonies. Because F you, you have the life I want and I'm going to throw you and it's the small it's like the such a small percentage of people that dictate what everybody else it's like electoral college it's like what the fuck are you we listening to these bananas for I hate it it's like there's some things that yes you should be you said something like that and did something fuck off and there are companies that are being paid to strategically stir the pot and they have these bot things that are just like you you look at them and it's like we have I have five followers and I follow 1100.

people and I signed up for Twitter yesterday and now I'm bashing this one person. It's like, dude, that's not, people have jobs. People are doing shit. What if they cut that as a way that you couldn't say hateful things to anybody on the internet, on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, there was some kind of algorithm or whatever it is. Would that be amazing if someone could say, let's so when you type something like this motherfucker, nope, but you could only say opinions, but you can't call someone a whatever. That's too hard. I don't think they would allow that.

Freedom of speech. They won't allow that in the natural in the sense of like we're going to make something finite. They will only allow that to be an assumed part of discourse where you can't say this word. Don't talk about that thing. It's almost like the flow of traffic. We don't have a speed limit sign, but you better go to the flow of the traffic because

these are the fucking cars. You know on the AI, there's the AI app, what's it called, where you could, it could tell a story. Oh, yeah, that's bizarre. That's berserk. And it's, it's, it's, it's, there's going to be no writers left. It's going to write it's, you know, and it's ridiculous. But you can't type in like murder, rape. It will say, no, it won't let you do it.

So that's why I was thinking about that. If that app won't let you do things like that, won't talk about her, you know, whatever, vagina. I don't know. I just said vagina you could say vagina no it's it's the idea of it depends what you're talking about sure and um but it it is the kind of thing where you you can only police so much and then what you're doing is you're really it's almost like bad parenting where we're kind of like we're telling one kid like don't do this and then the other kid does it and then it's like okay well you guys can't do this other thing and then the other kid does it it's like it's so

unbalanced that it makes more sense to loosen the reins than to tighten them because now you're just making people angrier. Yeah. And anger is going to compound and compress amidst automation and no job creation and all the absurdities that. And what we're talking about isn't even political. No, once again, I'm, have I said Republican Democrat? No, I'm just saying this is not, anyway. All right, shit talking with Paul Walter Houser. Let's do it. These are the patrons. Uh, you go to patreon.com slash inside of you and thank you for all the love and become a patron if you want to support the show. Megan Kay says, how do you prepare to get in the headspace? Well, we've already talked about that like Larry Hall and the performance was mesmerizing, but getting

in the headspace is just all about I am going to own this posture, these thoughts, and I'm going to be free as a child to play so that I'm making everyone happy and saying the lines, but I'm also being malleable to creative thought. You memorize lines fast? Yes. Very fast. Not very Very, not like soap opera fast, but I, I'm pretty good. If somebody gave you a monologue and said I needed you to do this in two hours. Oh, 100%. If someone gave me a monologue and it was two pages long, I could have it done in maybe an hour. On the spot with all the nervousness going on on set.

Yeah, I'm not saying I'm going to win an award with said monologue, but I... I can memorize it. Leanne, before accepting your role in Cobra Kai, were you a fan of the Karate Kid series? I was a fan, not a mega fan. I'd only seen the first one. I hadn't seen two and three. but I was a mega fan of what they did in season one of Cobra Kai.

When I got the offer, I'm like, Cobra Kai, it's a karate kid sequel on YouTube, like, it didn't sound good. And then I watched it and I'm like, this is way better than anyone even understands. And I jumped on board and had a blanche. And they kept bringing you back. Kept bringing me back.

I improvised a lot and did a lot of physicality. I love physical stuff. What season is it? What season as well? Yeah, Cobra Kai. I think we're doing the, Sixth and final. Are you in that?

I'm in two, four, and five. I don't know what's going on with six. Would you go back if they asked you? Under the right circumstances. On the right circumstances. Jessica B, what gets you motivated in life? Motivated in life? Trying to figure out how to answer that.

I guess this is rapid fire. So I'll just say, whatever, you can always. What gets me motivated is I go on YouTube and I watch interviews with politicians and and um i watch politicians i watch comedians i watch actors i watch musicians i watch uh you know foreign bankers like i just economists i try to sponge up what's going on in the world from from some sort of bird's eye view and i sponge up what i love about the world so i look at its brokenness and then i look at the greatness in it and then i try to contribute

it in some way both in how I treat said world and what I do creatively. But nothing will ever help me exercise more than run the jewels and Kendrick Lamar. And nothing will ever help me love people better than drinking a lot of coffee and reading the Bible and meditating and going to my program to stay sober. That's how I'm motivated. Run the jewels. I agree. That gets me pumped. I adore. them. I just love your answer. Off the cuff. You just sped through that.

Danny. Well, we talked about Clint Eastwood, so forget that. Sorry. Yeah, no more Eastwood. I will say about Eastwood. One of my greatest memories is I was trying to open a wine bottle at this restaurant in Atlanta. I couldn't get it open and he goes, give it here.

He takes a wine bottle and puts it between his legs. He's strong, but he's a thin, you know, little guy too. I hope he would hate me saying that, I bet. He pulls out a Swiss army knife, jabs, stabs it into the cork and starts doing the old school twist with a Swiss army knife. I mean, it was like trying to get milk from a dying cow. It was, and two to three minutes into it, I'm like, is he going to seize up? Am I going to kill this man with trying to open my bottle? So I'm about to stop him and he rips the cork open

and opens it and pours it for me. I was like, that was one of the coolest moments. ever is him what you think i wasn't going to make it you think i can't open a bottle of wine you pansy piece of crap directed 800 movies i was bronco fucking billy you piece of shit it's about to direct number 40 the movies called juror number two tony collette nick holt oh my god you know it's funny and i remember on set he uh he got pissed i've never seen him pissed i've only been on set with him probably a week or so but he got mad at spacy spacy was like listen was spacy choking a young man while straddling him?

This is. Was that? Was that it? No. What? That's not what happened. Kevin. No. He's only he's only been accused of that kind of thing 20 to 30 times. There's no way he's done it. I'm not saying that. There's no validity. Now you're turning it like I don't believe in it. I know

no I love shitting on Kevin Space. No, but he goes he said something like Clint, listen do you want me to walk around this and then whatever he was saying he was doing this thing am I supposed to do this thing your way or is it no damn he has it listen to me

no I don't care you know I want to do this this way and Clint is how I talk Clint responds to him he goes yeah you know you could do that if you want he goes well no what is it you want me to do and I forgot but all of a sudden Clint just goes God damn it Kevin

and whatever you want to do do it fuck and walked away and he just for a moment he snapped and it was awesome i love that and i asked him on set i go in the movie in the line of fire and he looked at me and goes all right where's this going i go you have a line where you're talking to malcovich and you say on the phone you have a rendezvous with my asshole motherfucker and he looks at me he goes yeah and i go was that improvised it seems so real He goes, I might have added a word or two. Yeah. That's so good.

Unbelievable. I was, Rockwell and I got to be on his private plane or whatever his jet. With him? Yeah. We got to do it twice with him from Atlanta to LA. How many naps did he take? None. He stayed awake reading the newspaper.

He ate a salad, you know, had a glass of wine or something. We sat with him and watched his movies in front of him. And he would do like audio commentary. No. Peripherly watching it with us. I remember that. We had no makeup. He'd see my goddamn wrinkles too much.

Dude, I'm telling you, I think we watched Deathpool or something. Deadpool, Deadpool. Deadpool, something.

Jim Carrey? No, it wasn't that one then. It was something else. Maybe that wasn't Deadpool. But he, no, you're right.

That is the one with Jim. But he was laughing at half the movie. And he's like, so embarrassing. Like making fun of it like, Mystery Science Theater 3000. God, don't you wish you had that moment recorded?

Oh, yeah, be the best yeah he really whispered talks though you gotta listen like i would really listen it's intimidating i would lean in 80% of the time he and i were talking because i i didn't want to it's eastwood like you're dying to know what he's saying and you don't want to just smile and nod like a you know what the key is no one does this but if i'm at a if you're at a loud concert you know how people yell in your ear when they're trying to say something and you're like fuck dude don't yell in my ear like everybody does that it's so easy no you take your ears like this just

like this go hey and you can talk like this and they'll hear you everything you say if you just if they do if you talk like this and you have your ears like that and they're talking to you i'm not kidding i just i know i believe you but i just i would love to clint what's that clint i said you can hear me now you son of a bitch dude i'm telling you i would love nothing more than to be at that imagine dragons concert and be like can you hear me now and they're like no no, let's leave. It doesn't work. Like I would love it.

This has been an absolute treat. I don't want to keep you here any longer. It's up to you. I'm having a good time. It's so fun. I mean, it's just like you could tell. It's like, I never even look at this. It's just, but it's just so easy.

You're just like, I don't even. If we're closing out, let's talk Farley for a few minutes, right? Talk Farley. All right. So, yeah. So I met him. His brothers were on this show. It was the worst ranked show in history.

It was like ranked 130 out of 131. 129 and uh what it was terrible it was it was tom arnold show love tom show was terrible it was me ed mcm man but i had like i was like six you know tom was christ's sponsor yes and uh love tom i'm his son's godfather and but the show was just bad but we had a lot of fun and so i'm doing a scene and i'm saying my lines and people are starting to really laugh and i'm like my lines aren't funny there i don't know why they can't it can't be at me and i turn And Farley is there. He's in a suit, baggy suit.

And he just kind of, it's waving to the eyes. She's like, how are? Oh, three camera. Yeah. Yeah. Four camera, I think. And he goes, he goes, how are you? All right.

How are you? Good to see you. Good. All right. And it looks good on you. And so. Good. Good.

And I'm numb. And I go, I have to do something that he'll remember me by. I just have. This is my hero. And I go. Hey, everybody, look, it's the big fat guy taking all the attention away from the skinny punk who's trying to have a career. And he goes, looks at me and goes, there's it! And he runs over, he picks me up over his shoulder, starts smacking my ass, runs through the studio, everybody's smacking my ass.

we go in the golf cart afterwards up through universal the psycho house we have beers i go back to his house to have some drinks i what was this 95 97 or something oh that was right before right before because i remember this the horrible part is his brothers we came in for a moment with tom arnold he had a in his a meeting in his dressing room and he says get in here i go i don't really have a drink get the fuck in here you're coming in here come on buddy get in here it was me johnny and kevin farley and i remember kevin just going you know tom looks at him we're talking he goes buddy your brother's he's gonna die you know your brother's you just can't you can't maintain that you know and kevin's like yeah oh johnny's just like they're distraught they're like you know we don't

know what to do and then i feel like it wasn't long it might have been a week or two it seems like less that all of a sudden Kevin starts running across the stage and I'm sitting on a couch waiting just looking at my lines or taking a nap or so I see him I go Kevin are you all right he looked frantic he goes my brother just died and everybody was just like what just I still I just feel it right now I feel that moment heartbroken heart broken heart for them and heartbroken for Chris and heartbroken for so many people that just loved him. Just people felt like they knew him. You know, he just made everybody feel good and made everybody laugh. And it was just, it was, it was, you know, I went from a great moment to a tragic

moment, but I remember, I'll never forget when Kevin ran offstage. It was, I don't really tell that. Have I told that story? Never told that story. Yeah, it was, it was hard. heartbreaking heartbreaking i i think um i i think there's something you can there's some stuff you can teach of with comedy you can teach some comedy you know uh you watch rose burn in bridesmaids and it's like she's being very funny but she has to be a different kind of funny you know opposite all these crazy women the characters i mean um and then There's comedy you can't teach. There's something that's in your blood, in your bones that is almost like a nationality.

Does that make sense? Yep. I think Chris had some nationality of comedy that, you know, I believe in God. Everybody else, you know, say, you're showing your blank here. But I really believe that God gave Chris like the nationality of comedy. and he was always destined to use that to bring light into the world but you know if i believe in god you know i i believe in the other guy i believe in the other side of it and i think there's something that that really darkness loves darkness darkness unlike light and chris got

extinguished too early um and it's awful it's absolutely yeah awful because um because there was so much more waiting for Chris there was there was a wife there were kids there were Academy Award nominatable opportunities there were nonprofits there were all these things that were there the sky was the limit but it's what you said earlier it's that imposter syndrome it's that not loving yourself it's like I'm the fact I know no women love me I have to make them laugh that's my currency I don't want to let this guy I had this is why And there was like that sadness, like, I got to be the party. I got to be, I, who knows?

It's just, it's real. And to anybody listening, I would just say, or watching just for a refresher between, I think I speak for both of us, like, you, you don't have to be anything to anybody other than kind and accountable. You don't have to be anything. Never believe you have to be anything other than kind and accountable. Those are the baseline. More than that, that's your decision.

And if you don't want to be somebody's butt of their job, don't be fight it because because something's going to try to define you and it will hurt you and it will erode and eat away at you and your soul's enamel deserves to be preserved so please make a decision that is healthy and best for you not other people that's what this shows about a lot a lot we talk about that a lot choked up a little bit um this has been awesome dude yeah this is Dude, any time, this is so fun. You wait, say that again. Anytime.

No matter how big you get, because I'm not saying this, you're one of those guys, I know we'll win an Oscar. No, you laugh. No, no, no. You're that good. You're that good, but you're also, don't ever lose this, you know? No, it seems like you won't. You're just a grounded, dude.

Yeah, I also, I think I have people in my life that. There you go. Like, not all my friends are Uber successful. Like, my friends are my friends because they're my friends. I mostly have non-celebratory, is that what you say, non-celebrity friends or whatever? Most of my friend of 38 years grew up down the street for me. He was the popular kid and Tom and, you know, so anyway, look. Let me qualify that too before I get buried for what I just said.

I meant successful in the sense of our industry. In life, they are, many of them are very successful. I just mean what we do. Right. And in turn, I think I'm. I'm very good at what I do, but I'm very unsuccessful in many other facets of life. Right. That's probably why I put so much effort into this thing because I know, I know I can do it.

Yeah. Yeah. Stop working. Stop working. I have two children. I better work more. They pay character actors, but they don't always pass that well. Kind of got to do a lot of work.

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Remember after, it was like you guys were finishing up a sleepover. You were like exchanging action figures. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we used to do. But it did. It felt like I was just hanging out with the bud. Yeah. And that's how he made me.

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