Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - PETER SEGAL: Threatened to Create Tommy Boy, Chris Farley’s Physicality & Naked Gun Disappointments

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

Peter Segal joins us this week to take us behind the camera and share his experience creating iconic comedies like Tommy Boy and Naked Gun. Pete shares the joys of working with Chris Farley at the height of his career, along with the guilt that came after his loss. We also talk about his experience of walking on pins and needles while working with Leslie Nielsen, why Jack Nicholson listens to SpongeBob on set, and how he has become a dental pimp for his wife. Thank you to our sponsors: 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🚗 NHTSA: https://www.nhtsa.gov/ __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Look, if this is your first time listening, you're here to you know maybe you don't know pete seagull uh he's directed a ton of movies ton of comedies great guy very insightful i mean i love the sandler talk i love just hearing about um his story and uh he's been a friend for a long time his wife's my dentist and um i don't trust anyone with my teeth besides linda period she's amazing that's your slogan and all my friends are with her now But listen, if you're just listening, I really appreciate you listening and follow us on our handles at Inside of You podcast on Instagram and Facebook at Inside You Pod on the Twitter. And I'm on Instagram at the Michael Rosenbaum and you can go to my link tree and see the cameos, upcoming conventions. Tom and I are doing the New Jersey creation.

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Yeah. We're doing it. It's helping. It is helping. I think it's been helping you for a while now. It has been helping me for a while. It's been consistent, which is good. That's good.

Do you think consistency really helps when you consistently talk to someone? Yes. It's funny because sometimes you're like, I don't need it this week. I'm going to save. I don't need it this week. But then you realize all those things kind of add up. Yeah. And you're like, I need to talk to someone.

And that's why consistency is so important. Yeah, it is good. Yeah, he's very, he's been, my guy's been very good. But yeah, it's like a very, it's very tight 45 minutes. And I think since I took a week off, I was like, oh, crap, I don't think I have, I have more than 45 minutes worth of stuff right now. You do. You do. We all do.

It's amazing. I'll be 10 minutes in, then I'm like, and then the floodgates open. Oh, yeah. So I love it. Um, so a lot of great stuff here. Uh, Pete Siegel is my guest. The show heals that he and my friend, Stephen Amel did, uh, they did two seasons and then I guess, I guess the show didn't get picked up. But now the show is getting picked up and I believe it's Netflix. I could be wrong. Don't, don't assume me on this one, but it looks like they're going to get another season out of this.

And I'm so pumped because Pete's a great guy and so talented and Stephen, same thing. So I'm very, very, excited so look for that show it will be coming around sooner or later heels and without further ado why don't we just jump into this let's get inside pete seagull it's my point of view you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum inside of you with michael rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience uh this is a real treat i met you circa 99 i think so i did a pilot for you what was it called fresh meat and it was about assistance in hollywood and i was asked to come on last minute oh yeah i mean this was like i had to learn my lines in what like the next day i had to film dude i could still cannot believe how you did it i don't know how many people

pages you learned i was terrified in one day and you knocked it in front of an audience and you knocked it out of the park yeah it was funny you know and i did my farley since you know you're you did the best farley movie ever uh Tommy boy but you remember when I did you said I think you said channel your farley when you walk in and I smell something that's been rotting yes and you and you're just I remember doing that's right and my god that was a long time ago yeah it was a long time ago and uh but it was great. And I got to, you probably help me more than you know because you introduced me to your wife who became my dentist. That's right. And she's been my dentist for 25 years.

God bless her. You know, more people know Linda, Linda Siegel. Yes. In Beverly Hills, than by far me. And, but I started it. I was sort of the, the germ of the disease that spread and that has made me her dental pimp. You are her dental pimp. You, uh, she, she, look, she not only, like one of my friends, Rob, we'll get out of the dentistry here quickly, but, uh, my friend Rob was like, uh, so this dentist says I need to remove all my teeth. And I go, whoa, whoa, what? He's like, yeah, you need to remove all your teeth. They've got something going on. And I go, no, no, no, you've got to go see Linda. And he goes, okay. And he went

and saw her. She goes, no, no, you're not removing any of your teeth. Yeah. And she saved him. And all my friends now go to her. Um, and she also does a lot of big celebrities. She does. She's, we shouldn't probably say those celebrities. You, and she does your teeth. She does the family's teeth. Yes. Yeah. Oh, I get that look a lot. Has she ever hurt you? Oh, yes. Really? Oh, you're talking dentally. Dentally. Is that a word? Sure. Yeah. No, she's when we were dating. I laid down in a, because I didn't have any furniture. I was living with a buddy of mine who was a DJ for Kiss FM. And we had lawn furniture in the living room.

And she was cleaning my teeth and I was lying on the lawn furniture. And I looked up and she was watching TV, not looking at what she was doing in my mouth. And I said, why aren't you looking? She goes, I don't need to look. I can feel. And I thought that was strange. What is she a urologist? I don't know.

What is the deal with this deal? What is the deal? Look, you've been doing this a long time, a long time. You're probably late 50s, something around that. I'll go with that. Yeah. I mean, you look great. You have some gray hair, but the gray fox.

You've been doing a long time. And is it something that you wanted to do? I'm guessing not your whole life. You kind of sort of fell into it. Totally. I had no idea I was going to be doing this. I went to SC. I studied broadcast journalism in English and thought I was going to be a punter for the Rams.

And that didn't work. And so I just started interning at K-CBS. And slowly I was given an opportunity to do some things. And it became my film school. There was a show on Friday called Friday at Sunset. And it was about things to do on the weekend in L.A. and my first assignment was to do a story about the best pool halls in L.A. And I said, can I make it funny?

And I said, sure, just, you know, get the spelling of the place right and all that. And so I did a black and white take on the color of money. And it won an Emmy. And so they won an Emmy. Yeah, local. Local Emmy. And then they said, okay, well, let's try that again. Best pizza places in L.A.

I said, can I do whatever I want? I said, uh, yeah. So I did a take off of, um, uh, another, another movie. Um, and, uh, that one, uh, an Emmy. And I start doing these parodies. And so, uh, David Zucker saw my parodies. Wow. And he was deciding not to direct.

David Zucker airplane. Airplane. Oh, yeah. And, uh, the third naked gun was coming up and he was not going to direct it. And so, um, Um, he, Citizen Kane was the pizza one. And, uh, yeah, why can I not remember? What did they say at the end?

Did they give a rosebud? A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, uh, so then, uh, he saw my reel and said, come on in. Let's talk. And I was just absolutely terrified. How old are you?

I was 30. And so I, I'd never had a movie meeting before. Um, but before that, you know, uh, those local things that I did those segments got me an HBO special with a friend of yours, Tom Arnold. And so Tom introduced me to his friends, Chris Farley, Ben Stiller, and Jim Carrey. And they were all in this little thing that I did. And that's actually what Zucker saw in addition to the local things. What was that called? The Naked Truths. There were three of them. Right. And then when he was with Roseanne,

man, I said, look, dude, this is a lot of work because, you know, they were, HBO ordered three. And I said, you know, I'm writing, producing, directing. And he said, okay. So Rosie said, you know, I got a friend of mine, you know, his name Judd Appetown. He writes junk for me. So he's 19. So I was like 24. And so I met Judd and we wrote these things together. Yeah. Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah. And that's, that's how I met. Matt Farley. It was all because of Tom. Wow. That's pretty incredible. I mean, your dad was the head of publicity for MGM. Yeah, that's good. Good research there. Well, I mean, you love movies. You love comedies. What were your big comedy influences when you were growing up? Blake Edwards, the Great Race.

I remember he brought that home a 35 millimeter print when we lived in New York and we had basements and we put some king-sized sheets on the wall and an old ratty couch and that was our theater. And I remember that was one of the ones that and it's a mad, mad, mad, mad, mad world. Those two, I thought, oh, my God, this is amazing. And ever since, you know, people have tried, you know, to put together, you know, a cast like Mad, mad, mad world. And it's really hard because of the salaries, you know. I mean, the oceans probably are the close. to that, that collection of people. Wow. Is it something that you love doing, like you fall more

and more in love with directing and writing? Is it something that you just have to do? Because a lot of people, like, they have to always work. They have to be working. If they stop, they're depressed, they don't know. I mean, it's probably most of us. Yeah. I wouldn't say I have to. There's oftentimes, I think, is this all I'm going to do? And, you know, is there another? What else is there? Is there something else? Should I be an astronaut? Should I own a restaurant? No. But, you know, I think about that. I mean, is this it? But I do love what I'm doing. And, you know, the old adage, you know, if you love what you're doing, you don't work, you know, so doesn't feel like you're working, something like that. If you love what you're doing, you don't work. Well, well, I mean, it's, it's,

doesn't feel like work. Right. Yeah. But no, I, now I'm at a stage where this, you know, this is definitely what I'm going to do for the rest of my life. And, you know, I do love telling stories and what I, you know, I'm just finishing a movie right now with Dave Batista. I love Dave. Dave's awesome. I'm up for something that might be with work with. It probably won't happen, but Dave's pushing me. Okay. He wants me to do it. And are you allowed? say what it is no but i love him yes and he is the most he's just a giving loving individual isn't he no he's he's fantastic and you've done two things with him two yeah we just my spy my spy my spy and my spy the eternal city right which is the sequel that how do you like that love it and uh we filmed it in cape town

and uh italy so that was kind of a bucket list is cape town dangerous yes but there bullets flying maybe um there let's put it this way uh every every home in our neighborhood has not only razor wire but electric fences and but i was kept being told it's very safe here it's very safe and i'm like okay then why the razor wire an electric fence um oh it's just a precautionary thing but uh that was a great adventure though this this past year has been amazing and And going back to what you're saying, now that literally yesterday was the last day of the mix, and now I'm a little bit bummed. You know, the postpartum kicks in. Do you, are you like a lot of directors?

I mean, I directed a movie, and you gave me notes, and you were great, and it was for such a small budget. But when you watch your first cut, are you always depressed after it? 100%. You want to throw up. It's never good. Well, it's not what you expect. However, things have changed in the last few years. we do something my editor and I called Friday Night Videos. And so I get a collection of cut scenes

Friday. And we usually get together, share some wine, and watch footage. And so I feel like I'm getting a lay of the land. I'm getting used to what a rough cut is eventually going to look like. But when you get the editor's assembly, which is putting all of those things together, that's when you realize the holes in your writing, you'll realize, oh, I don't think we need to say that. Or wait, I'm confused here. We didn't say something enough. And that's when the whole thing kind of congeals and you say, oh, I see what I've made. Oh, boy.

And then you go to work. And the first thing I like to do, you know, when I get into the edit room, by the way, I love editing. It's my favorite part of the process because you get to fix things. You get to sort it out, make people talk faster, tighten it up, slower, open things up, you know, rearrange things. And that's great. But I try to do something called an aerial view, like if I was just flying over the movie. And I go to the spot fires, like the biggest problems first, work on that. Because you only have 10 weeks, you know, as a director.

That's a lot for what I was. Seems like a lot. But when you're dealing with the amount of. footage that you've shot over the course of four months, it's never enough. Right. And, you know, for a comedy, you want to get it to a place where you feel pretty good, fairly solid, but you definitely need the input of an audience. Right.

You know, to tell you, yes, this is working or no, it's not. And so that's the, that is by far the scariest day of the whole process. When you have to do a test audience. Have you ever had a test audience where it bombs? Yeah. Yeah. Inside of You is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money.

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telling Janet Jackson, I'm sorry, I can't marry you. And the guy in the audience went, bullshit. And then everyone laughed. And it was supposed to be a sad moment. And I went, oh, shit. Yeah. Bull shit. That's right.

Because 400 pound man is saying, I can't marry Janet Jackson. I was not really thinking about, you know, that. Logic. Logic. I was just, I was into the characters and I was thinking that this is a very sweet moment and so when I realized I had to change that. I look at all these movies and I'm, you know,

I knew that you directed a lot, but I was like, holy shit. I mean, if you look at your resume, Tommy Boy, my fellow Americans, Noney Professor 2, anger management, 51st Days, longest jar, get smart, grudge match, my spy, my spy, the new one coming out. It's like, holy crap. And I think, have you ever had any bombs?

Oh, yeah. Have you had any rose and, bombs? My fellow Americans did not succeed. It broke even. And, you know, those hurt, you know, but that's part of life. Do you lie in bed, has it changed from when you're lying in bed with Linda, you know, I'm not talking sexually. You're just lying there.

You both want to go to bed. And she could feel you tossing, turning, stressing, had those conversations. We're like, this is a bomb. this is a bomb and she's trying to talk you off the ledge and it's like okay and have you had those i remember coming home after i saw speaking of the editors assembly of my fellow americans that was 1996 and i i remember exactly where she was she was getting dressed and i said i think i might have made a bad movie and she said really what what is it i don't know it doesn't feel right and um i got a lot of work to do and ironically uh uh

did a lot of work on it, and it ended up testing a 93. That's absurd. It's high. It's incredibly high, and yet no one wanted to see it. So that's the thing. I remember reading an article with Clint Eastwood talking about things that didn't work. He thought his Mandela picture would have had a bigger response. Why wouldn't people want to see this story?

Something about it didn't click, and it didn't work. And so you do the best you can. You do what you do, you know, which is tell the story as, as well as you can. And then, you know, at the end of the day, it's like sending your kid off to school. They have to actually survive themselves. But it's different happening in the beginning of your career than it is later when you're like, I'm mature. Well, you know what I mean? There's a big difference.

Yeah. on how do I internalize this? How do I just acknowledge, hey, this is how it is and move on? It's hard, you know, but it's inevitable. You can't just make hits, you know, and I've been very fortunate that, you know, the vast majority of the movies that I've worked on have been successful, but it's the ones that don't, you know, it's like if you look at reviews, you know, do you ever focus on the good ones no no always the bad ones yeah and why is that you know uh because you're like

how did this guy see that exactly how does he think i'm ugly yeah how does he think i'm absolutely unfunny this is impossible yes preposterous yes uh but then you say this is his opinion you know i had a friend who once wrote back someone who reviewed his movie and said what's your problem what would you have a problem with me i why would you write such a scathing review and he says i don't think you're funny i didn't think the movie was funny i don't this is my opinion and he's like did you ever want to call somebody who reviewed your movie and go what the fuck's wrong with well the the crazy thing is i remember at one of my premieres i think it was kenneth tarran was sitting in front of me and he was going to do his uh review based on the premiere

And I cannot even remember which movie it was, but I do remember this moment. A moment happened and he just clicks his pen and starts writing something down. And I'm like going, oh, what's he writing? What's he writing? But people were laughing. You know, there was a funny moment. It might have been, it might have been Nuddy Professor. It was in Westwood at the village.

Right. And then later he wrote, you know, not a funny thing in the movie. And I said, wait, but he was sitting. in the audience while they were laughing yes and there are tons of laughs in that movie and uh he said not so for him to say not one funny thing in the movie I said I don't understand what is your job then is to what you didn't say anything to him you didn't no no but is it to warn people that don't spend your money because I think it's not funny even though the rest of the audience was laughing I agree how about this how about I personally don't find this movie funny however

Some people actually will say that. The people in the audience were really laughing. Some people will say that in their reviews. They thought it was fun. And those I'm fine with. Yeah. How do you feel about Rotten Tomatoes? Because I think it's bullshit.

I think every movie comes out, Rotten Tomato gives 100%. And then you watch it and you're like, this is a 50 at best. Yes. The studio's paying them. I don't know. What's happened? It's always bugged me because I will read, you know, a review that they'll say is fresh. And I'll go, wow.

doesn't sound fresh. Sounds like they didn't really care for it. Or vice versa. Like, you know, they'll give something rotten, but they complemented quite a bit of it. I'm like, well, who's back at rotten tomatoes saying, I deem thee fresh, I deem the rotten? Yes. You know, because it's very subjective how they're interpreting a review. Mm-hmm. But then. Yeah. I think the most important review is the audience review yes if it says 98% rotten tomatoes 43% audience think it's about a 50 yeah yeah that's what you should go by and uh that's what i go by i i do get a little upset because i watch a lot i'm a big horror fan so watch a lot of horror movies and these uh these everything's fresh and witty and i'm like oh it's another allegory a fucking allegory oh it's another oh this has meaning this is why it's

They, oh, this is deep. This is not scary. This is not cool. It's not shot well. And I get, I get upset. My fellow Americans was after a huge hit, Tommy Boy, which became a big hit, right? It became a cold. I know you talk about this ad nauseum.

But when you're writing this, I remember you telling me like you just kind of put things on cue cards. That particular one, yeah. How did that work? Explain the process. Well, oh, boy. Um, so I had done, uh, two things with Farley. One was the, uh, the naked truth with, with Tom Arnold. And then Tom did a spin off of Roseanne called the Jackie Thomas show. Right. And Chris guest starred on it. And I thought, without a doubt, this guy is the funniest person I've

ever met in my entire life. And whatever his first movie is, I would be honored to be just in the running for it. So a few months later, I get this script called Billy the Third, a Midwestern, and it was Tommy Boy. And the script was horrible, just not good at all. But I said, yeah, let me come in and, you know, and I asked Lorne, I said, I've got a lot of notes. Should I actually say them? This is only my second movie, so I'm still very green. Very green.

He said, Pete, yes, just going and tell them what you think. And that was a mistake. Because I said, you know, I went in guns ablazing, peepir, peepio, and they went, thank you very much. And I left and obviously did not get the job. The good news for me was that the rest of Hollywood had turned this movie down. No one wanted to do it. And so now they missed the window, hiatus. And now they were getting desperate.

So they called me back and said, okay, about those notes you have, we might allow a few of them. and basically I could see the desperation in their eyes. And so I got sucked in. And then I started working on the script. Jim Downey came out from the head writer and Fred Wolf. How long did you have? To prep. I mean, from the time they say, here's notes.

We need your notes fast. We need to. Oh, it was weeks. Weeks. And so Jim comes out and he is covered in calamine lotion from having fallen in a poison an ivy patch somewhere. He looked hideous. But he's a brilliant guy, obviously. And we got together and he told stories for about a week. And then I looked up at him because I'm panicking now because we absolutely have done nothing and I'm desperately behind. And I said, okay, what about the script?

And he goes, oh, I can't help you with that. That's a piece of shit. And left. So I quit. I quit. And I remember it was a Sunday that I got. This relates to your cards question. I had a phone call from Sherry Lansing. My wife answered the phone and said, it's Sherry. And I went over and she said, I have a team of attorneys speeding to the studio to figure out how to take your home from you and sue you for tens of millions of dollars. That you don't have. And I said, have you seen my home?

I said, checkmate, fine. But, you know, this is going to be a disaster. There's no script. She was, honey, I believe in you. Now, I will say this. The threat was 100% real. But it was actually a gift that Sherry gave me because 10 years later, I'm on the lot doing the longest yard. And I see her in the commissary. And she hugs me and looks straight into my eyes and says, do you remember that phone call? And I said, oh yeah. She said, worked out pretty well, didn't it? And I said, absolutely, I owe my career to her. So, but it was scary. It was some definite tough love. But there's that old saying, sometimes you do your best work with a gun to your head. So I called Fred. And I said, I was crying.

And I said, I mean, snot bubble tears. And I said, dude, you got to come over. We can't figure this out. She threatened to take my home from me. Come on over. So he came over and he's like, Pete, Jesus Christ, when you just stop? You're going to cry. Just pull yourself together.

The friend lived up here, by the way, right? Yeah, now he's in Carmel. Right. And I said, okay, just funny things that happened to us. And I said, I got one. I was at a gas station, you know, in my wife's car, and I didn't park close enough to the pump. So I pulled my car back and I forgot that the door was open. I hyper-extended the door on a pole.

And he goes, okay, there's one. And we wrote down on a card and chuck it on the carpet. He goes, I got one. I put oil in my car and I forgot to leave that I left the oil can under the hood. And the hood flew up on the freeway and I almost died. And I went, yeah, that might be something. Wrote that down. You know.

And then I had one more. I said, I was on a date, a double date with my best friend on a lake in Arizona where I learned to sail a little 10-foot Montgomery. and some kids started heckling us because it was a dead calm and we weren't moving. And I said, oh, that might be funny. Maybe we can have Farley be me and he can just scream at the kids. Okay, there's something. And we started collecting these cards on the floor. And after a while, we said, I don't know what this movie is, but I think there might be a trailer here.

Right? So we started. We had Fred wrote and wrote up what we talked about. and we started with 66 pages. That was day one of principle. We had no second half of the movie. We had no idea how it ended. You started filming with only 66 pages done.

Yep. What was the first scene you shot? M&Ms going into the dashboard. Your brain has a hard shell or whatever. Uh-huh. That one? Yeah. And when the M&Ms, we went around a corner in the car,

and the M&Ms actually did what, I scripted, they rolled out of the bag down the vent, and I was thrilled that it actually worked, you know, without visual effects, without any monofilament, didn't anything like that. And I said, oh, my God, I wonder if this is an omen. That's the first gag and it actually worked. And so I just thought, just one step at a time, just beat by beat, don't panic, don't worry that you don't have a second half of the movie. But you're directing.

We'll figure this out. You're trying to figure this movie is. It was horrible. It was horrifying. So one day, I'll tell you how the ending came, Len Blum, who wrote Stripes, someone knew him. And he came out to Toronto where we were filming and he said, what do you think? I said, well, I've always had this idea that Tommy Callahan was going to talk to the ghost of his father. And we built the water tower.

And I thought maybe he'd be up there in the water tower. But I don't know. It seems corny, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, well, let me take a look at some of your. cut footage. And so he took a look at the scene with Julie Warner and Chris on the lake right after the death of his father. He said, that's a really powerful scene. That's great. Why don't we revisit that? And I went, oh, my God, that's it. That's perfect. That's beautiful. And so we revisited that scene. We needed to have a dead calm again on this lake. The ironic thing, though,

we shot it and Chris had trouble crying. And so he started poking himself in the eye. And I said, Chris, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? He goes, Pete, I can't cry. And I said, okay, but you're going to blind yourself. Don't. And he goes, and this was his way. And he actually got himself to a great place, had a wonderful performance in the scene. He left. And we got a call from the lab that the film got stuck in the soup, as they say, and we lost the scene. We had to reshoot it. And so, you know, to ask for the stars to align once again and have a deadcom on this lake, etc. And so we had to come back out and we reshot it. So we shot that. So we shot that twice. But yeah, that was that was piecing something together out of nothing.

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And, you know, fat guy and little coat was one of those things. But one time, I remember, Chris came out of a wardrobe test and he was wearing the famous brown plaid sport coat that he wore for most of the movie. And he said, hey, David, does this suit make me look fat? And Dave said, no, your face does. And I went, whoa, whoa, hold it. That's great. That's going in the film. And I would just follow these guys around, basically, and just, you know, they would dictate their chemistry.

And so, you know, we thought, okay, just let's lean into who they are. When we shot Fat Guy in Little Coat, though, Dave and Chris were getting a little frustrated with me because this is a movie and you have to shoot several takes. and then you have to turn the camera around and now focus on the other person and they're used to live TV with multiple cameras and one take and you're done. And so Chris got bored

and he, the original sketch is fat guy and a little coat, fat guy and a little coat, spoken, not sung. And then I get this call though from Bill Kerr, my editor and he says, oh my God, that was the funniest thing.

You got to go back and reshoot her. It said, what? So when you turn the camera around on Dave, Chris got bored and he started singing it because he was just bored of doing the scene so many times. So the first time you got it. He's not singing it. He's not singing it. And I was not paying attention to his off camera antics. And then so fat guy in a little coat, that was a reshoot because he did it off camera. So again, just we're stitching this together out of nothing. Did they ever, were they combative at all? they loved each other. Yes.

They fight a lot. Like a married couple. Like was it really, did you have to say, shut the fuck up? Well, I didn't say it like that, but they got jealous. Chris got jealous when Rob Lowe, I think, took David out to dinner. Oh, yeah. I saw that thing online. Yeah.

And it's like, how was your evening with Rob, David? And it was just, it was, they were like, you know. Did they ever wrestle around? Like, Bali would grab Spade? Yeah. They, uh, they definitely. Well, because Farley's from, you know, family of brothers. Yes.

And he, I think they rough housed a little bit. But, yeah, they absolutely adored each other. But it was, they're like siblings. Right. So they would fight. Did you at the time think, or did it take time for you to realize, for me, that Farley is pretty much the funniest person that ever lived? 100%. And I said that, you know, after I work with him on the HBO special and the Jackie Thomas show. And I remember one of the first times I met Sandler, I was, I think I was editing at Warner Hollywood, which is now The Lot. And we had dinner at Jones across the street. And Farley was there and Sandler and Spade and a few other people. And,

I remember Sandler telling me this is the funniest fucking guy, you know, that we know. And I'm like, okay, you're saying it too. That's, you know, I felt that. And see, he had not starred in a movie yet. He was still sort of a supporting character. People were just learning who he was. But when I realized that, you know, because Rock and Spade, sorry, Rock and Sandler, I think, were roommates at S&L and Spade and Farley were and everyone said the same thing. Oh, by far. He's the funniest.

Yeah. Did you see his insecurity on set? Could you see just knowing him how deeply insecure he was? Yes. And I got him. I mean, when I did the HBO special, he was not clean. And after the Jackie Thomas show episode, Tom and Roseanne put him in a car and did an intervention, took him straight to rehab. By the time Tommy Boy happened, he was. was clean. I got him for that period, which now is sort of chronicled as the best period of his career psychologically. He was clean. He was happy. He spoke to his priest every day, you know, but he replaced, you know, drugs and alcohol with caffeine. So he was just constantly drinking coffee. Amped up. But he was great. And, you know, it was that. was the joy of that whole experience that I got to see him at his best. Yeah. Do you ever take his clothes off on set? Hell yeah. Constantly. Not constantly, but the wiggling it out. Well, for example,

at a time when you could do it. Yes, if you remember in the, in the movie, he answers the door after housekeeping and he has, he has the sheet around him. We did multiple versions. Okay, you're going to drop the sheet and this time you're going to have a t-shirt on and some, you know, cute little underwear. this time, no t-shirt, just the under, this time, nothing at all. And that particular take, he ad-libbed and turned around to the camera after the take was done and just started dancing, completely new. You still have that footage, probably? I burned it immediately because I said literally, I said, I'll get in trouble. I'll get in trouble.

If this goes back, you know, to Sherry Lansing after she already threatened to sue me and then she sees this is what I'm doing in Toronto. you know uh i don't think it's going to go down very how funny would it do you have that and just censor his area just watching dancing around put some music that that that that is burned i mean you know a lot of people say i always thought this like that scene on the on the lake or whatever with him is so dramatic that i thought you know with direction with the right script he could have played he could have done drama yeah i completely agree and uh i i said to him as much And he got kind of upset with me because he was offered everything after that, after the success of Tommy Boy. And I turned all of them down because I said, dude, you shouldn't be doing these.

You are a really good actor. And you should look for your Uncle Buck, your transition from comedy into drama with, you know, heart. don't just do this or this or this and he got upset with me and i i had to write i wanted to write him and i did a long letter it was a five pages and i i sent it to his mom to give to him saying how much i absolutely loved him and adored him and i was doing this out of respect not the opposite i was waiting for something that we could both sink our teeth into that we loved not that we were doing just for the next paycheck right because that was my next I was thinking, gosh, you did the best Farley movie ever. Why wouldn't you follow it up with

something? And that was because of you. You didn't feel like that's what you wanted to do that. I couldn't do the same kind of movie. And, you know, Black Sheep was the same kind of movie. And it was troubled. And, you know, Beverly Hills Ninja was, you know, I didn't care for that one. But these are the things that were being offered. Now, he was also. So, you know, he was the original Shrek. And, you know, Rossio and Elliott, who I worked with developing Johnny Quest, the number of years later, told me, said, you know, the ogre and the donkey was patterned after Tommy Boy. And they went after Chris. And Chris supposedly recorded most of the entire script as the ogre.

And then he passed away before he finished it. and I think at some point they just decided to go a different direction and they erased what he did and hired Mike Myers. But he always wanted to do the Fatty Arbuckle story. And that would have been a great biopic. That was something very important to him. But I think by that point, he had fallen back off the wagon. Do you regret or did you ever think after like, you know, I should have just done something with him again of course i felt tremendous guilt and um but before i could even feel guilt things in his world were spiraling out of control so it was taken over by um fear yeah that you know something bad was going to happen what's your uh what's your process on set like you deal

with i mean from from a farley and spade to a sandler to a jack nicholson to jack lemon and and all these Lauren Bacall, all these greats, you've worked with the biggest personalities, sometimes probably intense personalities. How do you, is it, do you just, do you deal with certain actors one way and deal with other actors another way? Like I could be easy and straightforward

and whatever with this guy. With this one, I need to be a little more sensitive, a little more quiet, a little more like, I don't want to kill you, but here, I'm going to help. what's your process there yeah i think you have to feel out the situation and be very intuitive um you know everyone's different but i i will say this it was a lot harder when i was younger and my hair was black and i had no experience and i was you know i had took a lot of grief from leslie nielsen who did not respect me and really not at all so that was very difficult from

Day one. Horrible. Made your life hell. Absolutely. One of the worst days of my life was day one, the principal. What happened? I showed up and, you know, I was stunned at how slow he was reading the scene. And I thought, I went back to the monitor and I said to David Zucker, I said, oh, my God, he's not the guy on screen.

you created him. That's not who he is. How dare you? I didn't say that, but I was, I was, I was, why didn't you tell me? Exactly. That's what I was saying. Why didn't you tell me? And so I would go back to him and it was just like, you know, starting a lawnmower.

You know, it took several poles of the cord. And I would whisper, hey, maybe can we just pick up the pace just a little bit? and he just lashed out at me and said out loud to the crew, well, the kid wants me to go faster. Faster, he says. And it was humiliating. And everyone just, like, look down. I'm like, oh, boy.

And I thought, I had to pull him aside. I said, hey, Leslie, you know, I'm 30. And I said, we've got 72 more days. We've got to get along. I'm just trying to help. help here. Maybe cut me a little slack. And he sort of did. And then two weeks later, we were shooting a prison riot scene. He pulled me aside and said, well, Sherry Lansing called me and said she's loving the cut footage or the dailies. And you're doing a Herculean job. And I'd never heard that

term before. And I thought, okay. And I said, all right. So, all right, I guess I'm okay now. he likes me. It took two weeks to get his confidence. Cut to, of course, Toronto, only a couple months later, I'm prepping Tommy Boy, and he gets on the elevator with his girlfriend. And I go, Leslie, he goes, oh, Barbary, this is, um, oh, oh, forgot my name. Yeah, we're talking just a few weeks after filming. So it was, it was a tough experience. It was, you know, because I was, A rookie. Were you stressed out? Oh, yeah. Like, were you like, I can't do this? I can't. I don't feel good on set every day. I don't have my confidence because he's, he's fucking with it. Well, I felt horrible because, you know, I idolized the Zucker brothers. And him and him. And then I remember leaving the set that day. And my assistant said, you have to go to the hospital. I said, excuse me? What? I said, well, your daughter swallowed some dog medicine and she's having her stomach pumped. daughter was like four. And so I went to, you know, emergency. And with this day behind me and my daughter in there, I just started sobbing. I said, I don't think I can do this. I can't last.

It's just moment by moment. I said, I'm not going to think about 72 days. I'm not going to think about week one. I'm going to think about scene one. You're not even day one. Just go line by line and just keep the blinders on, keep that focus. But that was hard. Oh, my God. So that's the worst that you could think of of all time. That was, yeah, that's up there. Oh, this is it, the day you finally ask for that big promotion.

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nervous around them? Like, were you nervous around Nicholson? Oh yeah. I, there's not many people that suck the oxygen out of a room like Jack. And even Sandler was, I think everyone was intimidated, but it was fascinating because you could hear a pin drop anytime he set foot on set. Every time he said something, everyone was silent. Oh, yes. And that was cool.

You know what I think would be funny, Pete? Exactly. He says this and then I turn around and I say, hey, very good. Very good. Well, he, what was cool is that because his kids were young, they were fans of Sandler, and he wanted to play in Sandler's sandbox. And so he was kind of off balance and was respecting the process. And Sandler and myself, we were off balance because you have this legend on the set.

So everyone was off balance, and that was cool. it felt like I said this you know when I saw them on the cover of uh entertainment weekly I said this is like a traffic accident it's must see I don't know how this movie is going to go but everyone is going to want to at least see what happens because putting these two guys together is insane was it were there moments on set because I know Sam was sort of like let's do that no say say this hey Jack say say this you know try that throwing shit at him would that be sort of like both you guys would be kind of fucking with them and there there was there was definitely that i mean there's definitely a familial you know vibe on the set and uh you kind of have to get in rhythm with that

and and jack you know got you know he got in sync with that i'm i do remember though one day i come up to him and he's sitting in his chair and he's humming the theme song to sponge bob and i said um jack is that is that sponge bob you're doing he goes it's the only show i can stand to watch with my kid i'm like okay all right cool good so uh you know then i would start to you know learn as he was starting to calm down and and get in a groove um learn his rhythms you know but uh you don't you don't get used to it you still just did he ever call you at home just like hey p just uh seeing how you are did he ever do that no never called you didn't Didn't call to check in, but...

But you still have his number. I do. We'd have riding sessions up at his house on Bad Boy Drive. And I remember he had just done a few years earlier Batman, where he played Joker, and made a lot of money. And there were all... His house is fairly modest. It's a ranch house on the top of the mountain. and but there were all of these paintings

like an Aaron Brothers art mark that are like on the floor leaned up against each other because there's not enough room on the walls and he went to the restroom and I just leaned down and I kind of started thumbing through them you know like you do it Aaron Brothers

and I'm looking through him and I'm going that's Renoir Picasso de Gaia they're all originals millions of dollars millions of dollars of art and then there was this like gleaming shining light coming from the corner of the room and I'm like, what is that? And I went over and

of course it was like Oscars and Golden Globes all lined up like bottles of milk. You know, you couldn't even see what each one is for because you'd have to move one out of the way to read what it was for. And I'm craning my neck. I didn't want to touch anything thinking that there's an alarm. Right. But now that that was pretty cool. Did he seem like a happy guy? At times. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there are times he were like he was very moody or didn't? There were moods. You know, there were definite moods. But again, it was, it was a good time. I think, you know, he was, I think he just turned 65. And I do remember one day that I, the day that he turned 65, I, I sent him a box of cigars to his trailer. And then his assistant said, by the way, Jack hates his birthday. Do not send him any gifts. I went, oh, boy, can you please get that package out of his trailer? that I just sent Yeah, but No, I think he enjoyed himself.

I think he had a good time. Did he ever give you any insight into his life, like any stories that he told you that he probably wouldn't tell anybody else. Just like, you know, I brush my teeth at lunchtime or summer. I don't know, whatever it is. He did tell me a story about a fight he got into

on the set of China. town and that he and the director were screaming at each other and through a television set something like that i don't know um and i thought to myself okay i i i don't want to upset him to that point where we're throwing appliances at each other uh but fortunately we got along great and he uh his nickname for me was keed although he called a lot of people keed k-e-ed i don't know what does that mean it was like kid. Oh, hey, keyed. Hey, keyed. Huh. And, uh, yeah, so I was called keyed. Yeah. Do you, um, do you feel like when you're younger, you're in your prime and everything's going well and you're making these big movies? Do you feel like now it's, it's changed? The industry's

changed. It's harder to, to get someone behind you to direct a big movie. Or do you get, uh, are you up for a lot of these things still? It's just harder for, uh, a director that's been in the business so long to keep making or being up for these big hits and these things you want to do and do you still have to fight for things that you want? Absolutely. I think in 2008 when the stock market crashed, I think 40% fewer movies were being made. So my analogy was the same number of animals in Africa, but the pond has gotten smaller. We all have to drink. And so you, whereas in the beginning of my career, you know, after some success, people would just offer you a movie.

Now you have to audition. You have to compete with, you know, half a dozen other people. And so you also have to, you can't just go in and give your words of wisdom about how you would miraculously fix this project. you have to go in with bells and whistles and and, uh, sizzle reels and look books and everything is different. You're doing all this. What about for a movie like, I spy? Was that, did you have to? My spy? Yes. I keep saying I spy. Why? That's because there was an I spy. Right. That's why. Yes. Um, but, uh, yeah, I, I did a sizzle reel where one of the things I do is I, I, I try to make a trailer for a movie that doesn't exist yet. Right. And so I took clips of Dave Batista.

and clips from Man on Fire because it was Denzel and Dakota Fanning. And I made it look like Dave was acting opposite Dakota. Wow. And, you know, with montages and to give kind of a feeling of the tone. Do you do that or do you just give notes? Do you have an editor do it? Both. Both.

I come up with a script and, you know, and I have a great editor. I worked with Mark Chadwick, who does a lot of my stuff, presentation reels. And then the good news was when Dave saw it, he said, how did you know that Man on Fire was one of my favorite movies? I said, I didn't, you know, but there have been others. I did a sizzle reel for a movie that I did with Jennifer Lopez called Second Act. And her producing partner saw it first, Elaine Goldsmith, Thomas, and said, oh, yeah, but you're using one, a clip from a movie that was not a success if you could change that one.

And I thought, oh, yeah, you know, because you never know. You know, you're faking it. So you don't know if they enjoyed a clip that you use or they... Why do you use that? Exactly. Yeah, you don't know. And so you don't know. So it's a little bit hit or miss.

But when it does work, it's very effective. Has there been one job that you really wanted badly and you were devastated that you didn't get it? There's a great script about the Harlem Globetrotters. that i would love to do um but uh and it's you know a story of uh herb sapristine who was this jewish man who wanted to put together this uh the greatest players who at the time were almost a carnival act um and he got them a shot against the minneapolis lakers a lot of people don't realize that. And they won. They beat George Mykin's team. And it broke the color barrier of the NBA. But beyond that, these guys became ambassadors for the United States.

And they went to Berlin. And at one point after Jesse Owens won his gold medals there, he went up and tried to shake hands with Hitler and Hitler refused. And the Globetrotters ended up part of their ambassadorship. They brought Jesse Owens back. This is after the fall of Germany. And he got Jesse to go back up into the stands and to Hitler's box and to shake hands with the mayor at that time and just healing. And it was, it's just such a fantastic story. And that's one that that has eluded me and you've tried to get it made tried to get it made um yeah um is there something you want to do next like who do you want to work with is there an actor you want to work with is there someone you're like i got to work with this person uh there there are a lot of people that i would love

to work with um there's a couple scripts that i've written that are are different one's a biopic that is sort of a passion project that I wrote during the pandemic and like to try to get that going now. But that's, you know, that will take a little bit of a leap of faith, you know, because you get pigeonholed, you know, when you're a comedy guy, as that's the only thing you can do. So that's one of the reasons why in between movies I love working with Michael Malley because he brings me on his projects, one, which we just finished, Heels. which is a drama. Yeah, I really liked Heels. I love to. And my buddy Stephen was in that.

Amen. He wrote it and created it. And you guys did such a great job with that. Well, I think the reason they didn't pick it up for a third season was probably the cost. It's probably an expensive show. It was expensive. And we were just on the wrong network.

But the cool thing is, you know, Netflix just paid $5 billion for the WWE. And we are flirting with possibly landing there. We'll see. So I don't know if I'm supposed to say. that but there it is uh it would be great if it if it worked out and um but how were you how disappointed were you when they said we're not picking that for a third season i was very disappointed it was you shocked not shocked because um you know we we had a show that was on a network that not a lot

of people saw uh and and and so we thought gosh you know if we if we were on a a streamer or or or HBO or, you know, Amazon or Netflix or whatever, boy, this, we know there are people out there that enjoy professional wrestling. Yeah. Why can't we find them? And I think that we just, like I said, we're on the wrong playing field. Did we already say this, but I wanted to know what someone you're watching right now that you've seen a movie and you're like, I want to work with that person?

Oh, gosh, there are so many. Have you worked with Bill Hader? No, but I would love to. This has been an absolute pleasure. Did you have fun today? Yes, had a blast. It was so easy. It was a long time coming.

Yes. And I love you and I'm so happy for all your success. Always am. By the way, was, were you, was it love at first sight with Linda? Yeah, 30 second story. She was the entertainment at a bachelor party. That's the truth. That's how I met her.

How is that possible? So I was throwing a bachelor party for my... Does she want this to be known? Oh, she's her. It's now like, what's new? Yeah, like half the town knows this story. Okay. So I said to my buddy, my buddy's wife, a fiancé at the time, I said, I'm going to have a stripper at the bachelor party, but after it, I want to do something funny.

And she goes, well, I got a girlfriend of mine. She's stunning. She's at UCLA dental school. Maybe we can get her wasted. get Steve, we'll put a blindfold on him and she'll come in in a bikini with a mask so we disguise her and she'll say, okay, Steve, you're about to get the best mouth job of your life and then she'll clean his teeth. So we were videoing this. Wow. We're videoing this and she came in more wasted than I had ever seen her in the many years since. And I gently

grabbed her hands because she had the dental tools in her hand. She was going towards Steve's face and I said ladies and gentlemen I'd like you to meet my future wife I was just joking a week later um we sort of moved in together a week later week later that's funny I use that line but I use the opposite I said ladies and gentlemen my future ex-wife yeah there you go because that's probably what end up happening and you've been married for I don't even know I'm gonna guess 400 years I'm gonna guess 34 years close this is gonna be 37 37 years yeah Is she honest with you when you direct a movie? If she likes it or not?

Yes. Does she ever say, I didn't not like this movie at all? Yeah, well, what she'll say is like if she comes in and I'm watching, like the other night, Get Smart was on and I was watching the last, you know, 10 minutes. She goes, really? Again. This has been an absolute joy. Thank you for coming over.

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and when they uh when david and uh farley would get mad at each other and mad at each other and how they kind of worked and um i just wish i could have been a fly on the wall during those scenes and those moments and seen farley's insecurities and spade you know he was insecure as shit um we all are we're all insecure and uh but pete paints paints a really good picture of it all and um and he's got so many projects coming out so um follow him on instagram Pete Siegel. Maybe it's Peter Siegel. Pete, do you like,

when people call you Peter? I doubt it. It's like your mom probably called you Peter. Anyway, I appreciate you. All the love and all the support. Go to patreon.com slash Insidy. If you want to really support this podcast, I always talk about it.

It's like a family. You know, the top tiers have really gotten us through these years. I always say it's like a streaming service. You know, you pay a streaming service 10, 15 bucks a month. So anything that you can give to the podcast is great. So go to patreon.com slash inside of you to support the podcast and become a top tier if you want. You get your name right out every episode and what else do you get? You get boxes for me and there's just so many perks.

I'm going to do a Zoom with all my top tier soon as well. But look, all the patrons, any support is amazing. And I love all of you. So thank you dearly for that. All right. Well, you know, I guess it's time in the, it's time now, Ryan. to um well to read off the top tier patrons the people who give the most um on patreon.com slash inside of you and these are the top tiers we're going to read their names on you want to hear that

yeah let's do it these are they shouldn't be in any order because they're all just as important and there's some people that have been here forever supporting this podcast and i can't believe it i say it but ryan i mean it's years and they continue to support the podcast people have jobs people like have families and yet they love the podcast enough to support me and you and bryce and jason and this little podcast and it's it's awesome right yeah it's like you know i'm like wow there's there's still because i always have this these abandonment issues like people are just going to leave me they're like we're done it's old not not doing anything new i don't like the interviews are born you know always get in my head but you just kind of got to let it go and

people will be there uh here we go top tiers nancy d lea and christin little lisa ukiko jill e b b b b b bryan h nico p robert b jason w sophy m these are family right here rach c jennifer n stacy l jamaul f jennel b mike e l don supremo ninety nine more s s belinda n d f belinda and d H. Tabitha T, Tom and Talia M. Betsy D. Riann C. Corey K. Dev Nexon. Michelle A. Jeremy C. Mr. M. Eugene and Leah. The Salty Ham, Mel S. Chris, Eric H. Oracle, Amanda R. William K. Kevin E. Jorel. Jammin J. And don't forget your Leanne J. L. J. J. Jules M. Jessica B. Klee J. Charlene. Hello, Charlene. A. Todd T. Marion Louise L. Romeo of the band. Frank B.

Jen T, April R.M. Randy S. Hello, Randall. Oops, next page. Yes. Just as important as the page prior. Rachel D. Jen, Carolina, girl. Nick W. Stephanie and Evan, Charlene

known as Stephanie Evan? Stephen. Stephen. Stephen. Stephen. Stephen. Stephen. Yeah.

I got a good friend named Stephen. Oh, nice. Charlene A. Don G. Jenny B. 76. John. Jennifer. Tina E. N. G. Tracy. Keith B. Heather and Sweet Greg, or vice versa.

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