Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Pretty Smart’s GREGG SULKIN: Boundaries

Episode Date: December 7, 2021

Gregg Sulkin (Marvel’s Runaways, Wizards of Waverly Place) joins me this week to discuss the evolution of his career and how respecting professionalism and personal boundaries have helped catapult him along the way. Gregg reminisces on his early work in Wizards of Waverly Place and the chance beginning of his career at a young age. We also talk about Gregg’s time on Marvel’s Runaways, a crazy story on meeting Tim Burton, and his run-ins with Justin Bieber and Bella Thorne. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I hope you're listening and you're enjoying and, you know, take your mind off things for a minute. Got a great guest today, Greg Salkin. The runaway is pretty smart. You know, we'll get into that in a minute. Talks about Selena Gomez working with her and having a healthy lifestyle. Ryan, I had a little issue this last week. What happened? Well, we went on a post- Thanksgiving hike, and I take my friends out to Victorville, and we go in this hike, and it's a bunch of us.

That's far. And my friend, Christy, it is kind of far, but it's a great time. We drive out a couple hours. We hike in an hour. We're down to these hot springs. So we get down there, and it's a little treacherous to get through, we have to get through waste deep water to get to these natural hot springs. Well, I get across. Everybody's across, except my girlfriends.

Christy and Shira and they're just you know I think they're fucking around so I'm like guys come on I'm yelling across the water come on it's great over here and they're like we're gonna go back and I'm like what and I looked at the other guys my friends who are in the hot springs I go uh something's wrong I got I got to I got to go back and I walk back and Christy's face was just swollen like I mean I've never like like Rocky Balboa 12th round and like just a huge golf ball on her face I'm like oh my my god what happened so she slipped on a rock and hit her face oh so we immediately had to turn around right when we got there turn around and hike back up but she was a good sport she's doing okay but it was it's kind of crazy because if she would have split that open or something it could

have been a lot worse but we ended up going to the olive garden after and regardless we were very happy about the olive garden taking care of us at victorville thank you olive garden and christie was a really good sport so christie if you're listening you're a good sport you didn't ruin the trip at all but it was uh you go into survival mode like okay uh here's what we're going to do and then she was okay but we had to hustle back and it was a hard treacherous hike back so i was i was definitely a little worried um hey thanks for listening as i said uh also i want to just threw a shout out at my buddies at the company weird yeah it's weird w y rd weird Leather and Mead.com.

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I thought about this. I thought about before doing the podcast today, I was like, you know, he's too good. I mean, I've seen these interviews, you know, you've done a lot of great work and all this stuff. And I'm like, there's got to be some dark side to him. There's got to be something because I know that you want to play and you can play the bad guy. You want to be perceived probably as the bag guy. Because, like, for me, I was always a goof. And then they gave me the chance to be Lex Luthor.

And all my friends were like, you, Lex Luthor, this is ridiculous. But like, I love to see you as like the Christian bail in American Psycho or something like that, where you're just such a great guy, but then you uncover the darkness. There's got to be some shit. I mean, I'm a Gemini. I like you. I date Gemini's. Really?

Yeah. Bit nuts. Are they a bit nuts? I think so. They say there's two sides to Gemini's, and I agree. So I definitely think that, yeah, maybe in my career, I've only been able to show like one side, maybe. Not one side, but, you know, a few different sides, but the dark side is definitely a fun side that one day I'd like to. Well, how old are you?

I'm 29. 29. Yeah. Do you feel like you've lived or you feel like you have so much to do? I feel like I have so much to do and achieve, for sure, because I've always been very driven. right very like i feel like i got that from my dad but i grew up with nothing um and worked his off and and provided for me and my brother and my mom and you know come from a very like traditional household right um so i definitely got the hard working gene i think from him um but then on the other

side it's like yeah you can i feel like i've been going through this over the last years like especially through the pandemic you sort of question what's important and yeah working is really important and achieving success to me is really important. But at the same time, it is important just to sort of breathe for a second, take in your friendships, enjoy those moments with your mates, go for a glass of wine and just shoot the shit, you know? Yeah. Be present.

Yeah. And I think that's, it's really hard for me in this industry because I'm always thinking of the next job or how can we further the career or what can I be doing to be better. And sometimes that's not always the healthiest. Why is it, Ryan, that I feel like, you know, Once again, there's a 20 year old, nine-year-old man here in the room, and I'm 49, and yet I feel like he's got it taken care of. He's got a good head on his shoulders, and I'm going to learn

something from him. That's what I already get that, and he said 10 words. You probably will learn something. Because what a good day for you. Because I wasn't thinking about being present. I'm just, I'm trying to learn that now is being present, being, let's take it back. Let's go back to like when you were growing up? I mean, so were your mother and father always very present? Always were they like, Greg, I love you. I'm proud of you. I just whatever you want to do, son, was it always like that? My mom was. My dad, I love. He sacrificed so much. I used to play soccer as a kid and he used to give up his job and not give up his job, but used to leave his job early to take me to soccer. And so there's hours and days and months that he's sacrificed. But at the

same time he was a little bit hard on me in the sense of I remember playing soccer and he used to look at me from across the field if I did a bad pass and I wasn't worried about what the coaches said I was just more worried about what my dad said just the look that he gave you just the look and I could see it from a far away and I could see his body language throughout the game so yeah he's been definitely like tough but I think it came from a place of like love like don't sell yourself short like I know what you're capable of whether it's acting whether it's as a human being you know like we could all be doing more. And so like, don't say yourself short was the mentality that he had towards me. So he wasn't always like, like your mom was like, I love you, sweetheart. He was just a little

tougher on you. I got, I got you beat though. This isn't a contest, but I remember my dad. I told the story before, I think. But did I tell you the story about after I scored three goals in a hockey game and we won the game and we went on to the finals in the tournament, my dad was the head coach. And I remember being in the car going, I go, dad, I scored two goals and then I scored the winning goal in an overtime. And we won. And my dad, dad just goes it was a weak goalie oh that's not ideal he was he was he was really tough on me he was really hard on me and he wasn't someone i think it was just like the the era that he lived in you know he couldn't he couldn't say i love you i'm proud of you that wasn't in the cards

he wanted me i think inadvertently to feel like he was a superhero like he was like he never drank he never smoked he never did this and then i learned as i got older that he did all this shit and he was a fuck up too yeah he was a big fuck up he probably invented acid you know what i mean how old is he he he's about 19 years older than me so well he's 60 he's 70 and i'll be 50 next year okay so similar my my dad had me a little bit late too and um they're the same age so that makes total sense really on that era of like that tough love were you were they tough was he tougher on you than you was your brother um my brother uh i don't know my brother i love my brother i love I love my brother.

He, no, they're, they're, they're, they're tough on us in different ways, for sure. Like how? My, my brother, it does real estate. My dad does real estate. So I think that there's a lot of like, this is what you should be doing. Whereas like in this field, like, they don't really know what I should be doing. So I get off a little lightly. But I think with my brother, yeah, like, I think they're just, that's,

tough they want us to do well they want us to be kind they want us to you know um push forward our life and if we're not doing that then you know then they're not then especially my dad he's not thrilled because my dad sacrificed everything you know it's like it's not easy to wake up at three four o'clock in the morning my dad sold like um kitchen whale on the street corners wow is sort of like how he you know he got expelled at 13 years old from school was involved in fighting um and Involved in fighting. Meaning he started the fight and finished it, is what he tells me. Exactly, exactly.

But, you know, he just left school at 13, 14, and then hustled himself, just sort of him and his brother, and then they sold kitchenware, and then they ended up doing real estate, and then they were known in London as, like, these two young property guys who sort of came from nowhere. So, like, I have a lot of respect for that, because I think it's hard to, you know, create success on your own without help and he managed to do that well what did he think about you when you started thinking you know he's busted his ass he's selling you know what is it again what was he kitchenware kitchenware kitchenware kitchenware i mean kitchen knives like farberware and things like

whatever those yeah yeah like things that you you you you cutlery yeah cutlery cutlery but also machines like how to slice an avocado or right you know what i mean the wonder knife it would just simply cut through anything yeah he was a great salesman like he i've seen videos he just he just knew what he was doing he knew how to sell maybe you got some of that salesmanship from him in terms because acting is is kind of salesmanship you're selling yourself right yeah i mean you're selling your soul you're selling your soul um yeah yeah i mean yeah there's a presentation aspect for sure right that i think from him or i hope i got from him well do you think that you know it was hard when you were i don't know how old you were you could tell me but like getting into acting

when he's been doing all the stuff and busting his ass, and then you're like, I want to be an actor. Yes, I mean, I got into acting when I was 12 or 13. So for me... Was it high school or grade school? We do, like, junior school and senior school. Junior school, see, what's junior school go up to? Oh, I think maybe like...

Eighth grade. 12. I don't know what that is. Right, right. Oh, so you wouldn't know that. Yeah, exactly. So I'm telling him something he wouldn't know. Junior school, because we have grade school, we have junior school, middle school.

and then we have high school. Right. So it's like first through sixth grade and you're up until about 11 and then 12 and 13 years old for middle school and then 14 to 18 for high school. Yeah, we have not bad. We had junior school and senior school

and I don't remember. The school wasn't really a thing for me. I mean, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it for the social aspect and I enjoyed it for the sports, but the academic side of school was not for me. So what were you in high school? Were you popular?

I mean popular it was actually pretty weird because I felt like I got on with everybody and then when I got into the industry I got treated different than when I came back because I went to the same school as Freddie Highmore who's a very successful actor I looked at you blankly didn't I no no no no I mean a little bit but he's he's done a lot of big stuff for sure like Freddie de Charlie in the chocolate factory oh okay yeah he debates motel he's now oh okay now I know exactly who he is you know who he is the good the good doctor It was a good dog. Yeah.

Yeah. You went to school with him? Yeah. But the thing is with Freddie and the difference between Freddie and I was, Freddie was extremely intelligent and was all in the A set. Don't sell yourself short. And I was just not in the A set, you know? And so when Freddie went away to shoot, I asked the same question like, oh, hey, I've got this job.

Can I go away to shoot? And they were like, no. And Freddie was allowed to just because he was so incredibly intelligent that he was able to do both, Whereas it took me a minute to do film and TV and also study. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money. Period. It's Rocket Money.

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I did a movie called 66. 66. Was that the one with Helena Bonham Carter? It was. You see how I know my shit? It was. Have you seen the movie? I haven't seen it. I love Helena Bonham Carter. Okay, so... Was she intimidating?

No. She wasn't. No, she was the nicest human ever. Because it was very weird. It was actually my first audition. My dad told me, hey, you know, no, it was actually my mom. She showed me a newspaper article, and I'm Jewish. I'm a Jew too.

La Chayem. La Chayem. That's about all I know. Shalom. Shalom. Shalom. I know that one. And so, you know, my mom saw a newspaper article and it said, oh, auditioning for,

a boy who's just recently had his bar mitzvah, and it's to play in a movie, a universal movie called 66. This was the first thing you audition for? First thing I ever auditioned for. Oh, my God. And it was crazy. My mom said to me, she was like, look, if you, I was like, no, don't be ridiculous. I don't want to act.

Like, this is absurd. Like, I'm not doing it. And she was like, well, if you do it, I never asked you to do anything again. Just go to the audition. So I was like, okay, great. At 12 years old, I was like 13. I was like, perfect. I don't have to, you know, don't have to listen to my mom telling me what to do, like, sign me up.

I went there, Fiona Weir was the casting director who casted Harry Potter. Wow. And it ended up just sort of working out. And then Helena came onto the movie. It was Richard Curtis who wrote the movie. And it was just like this big movie in the UK. And I was this kid who'd never done anything before, never wanted to do anything before. And then somehow got like an opportunity of a lifetime to go and be in a movie, the lead.

with Helena playing my mom. And Eddie Marson, too, who's an unbelievable. And you didn't know, honestly, did you have an acting coach? Did you? No. You didn't know what you were doing? Didn't even know acting coaches existed, to be honest. You just got in there, learned your lines, and started acting. Yeah.

That's absurd. I know. It is now thinking about it, I'm like, what was I doing? And I didn't know what I was doing. Maybe you were just fearless as a kid. Fearless. I remember the first day I got to, I think it was Pinewood Studios in London. and I got there and you know on on sets there's obviously the inside of the set and then there's

the backdrop so we did the first three three weeks on location and then the rest was in a studio we ended up I remember going after remember going to the set and assuming that the I just had to act in front of the backdrop and they would just plot me in into the scene like I had no idea that there was a set inside in front of the backdrop that's how much I like knew about the industry but I loved it because you know what what I loved about it is what I still love about it today which is the crew I love working with the crew I think it's so collaborative I think it's so nice to be in a team I grew up playing sports so for me it's not like oh I'm the lead of this show I'm the leader of this movie it's like no like we're all creating this movie

together and let's hope it's successful let's hope it to hit and that experience of working with people who are amazing at their job is what to me me makes it so fun you know what i like to do on set always i've always been because they're they're like the first they're like the audience to me when i'm acting um i always want to know everyone's names i want to get to know their names because i think you said this in an interview before and you're dead on right as far as i'm concerned how they become family they're sort of your family while you're there and when you get to know these guys it's almost like a support system you could do your best work and i noticed a lot of actors don't know

the crew's name. They just hit their mark or they're just sort of oblivious. It's just my lines and act, but you seem to want to get to know these folks. You want to seem to get to know the crew and talk about that. For sure, I just think that they are, you know, as an actor, it's like, look, the entertainment industry isn't glamorous, as you know, but in a way, it's like as an actor, you do get treated so well. Like, you know, you have people bringing you coffee. You have people making sure that your shoes are comfortable. I brought you coffee. I know, I know. It was a Amazing. Thank you. Very nice, by the way. I made you coffee too, Ryan. I did. I drank it. Yeah. Oh, wow. You downed it. Yeah. Both of you, I feel like are more men than more men, more like men than I am because you have your coffee black.

I always. I'm a black coffee. Yeah, it's like, I'll just have a black coffee. I'm a man. I'm like, I like some sweetener, like some whipped cream. I want mine to be a little bit fun in the morning. But you like to get to know the crew. You like to have become family. For sure. I just think that I was so. And you were a kid. Yeah. Yeah. I remember. I still remember the first runners, you know, like a runner person who's like, somebody who gets your coffee. Yeah. I still know his first. I don't remember it. I was 13 years old and I still remember. His name was Joey, blonde hair, the coolest dude. And to be honest, Joey, the runner probably allowed me to have such an amazing experience on set is one of the reasons why I'm actually still in this industry today. Because if I had a bad experience, I wouldn't have continued it. But he was just so nice and so chill that I was like, oh, this is amazing. And I haven't spoken to him since I left. the movie but he still sticks with me for sure joey you've done a really good job look at this career

this guy has and it's all because of joey for sure and even on my last show we had a set pa called gregg who was amazing on the current show now there's cassie and mitch who are like amazing so it's like yeah they do they but they become your family and these people you know they're just they're just great so hard working and it's fun you know i think they're really i think crew members are really underappreciated especially from the outside but i think once you've been in the industry for a long time. You know that the crew of the glue to this industry. How did your family perceive this experience? Do you remember when your dad first watched this movie? 66. He's Jewish. My mom converted to Judaism because she married my dad. So he was really proud.

He was really proud because, you know, as being Jewish, there's a huge sense of community and and pride to be Jewish. I know I feel that. And so, so yeah, he was just really proud. But the best part was that my, when I first went to the premiere,

it was in Leicester Square, which is like a big, you know, it's a big, it's a big place to go and have a premiere. And my brother came with me, who at the time was 17 years old, 18 years old,

like very handsome boy, looked like a young David Beckham at the time, like long hair, wore a suit, like immaculate. I remember getting out the car. and I remember getting out the car and there was just screaming fans

like screaming girls and they thought you know the movie was they thought he was the start and he was there signing autograph taking my limelight it was the worst ever it was the worst ever so you know it's always sort of humbled me

and also Borat the movie Borat came out the same day as 66 did and so we were expected to be a huge hit and Borat sort of became like a global you know hit and so we didn't become the hit that we thought that we were going to become, which was the best thing to ever happen to me. Because I think if you're 13 years old and you don't know yourself

and suddenly you become extremely famous, I don't know how healthy that is for a human being, a 13. I don't know how people do it. I don't know how people get such success at a young age. I've been working since I'm, you know, I did a play when I was in high school and then I did plays in college and then I went to New York and I made no. money doing off off way the hell off Broadway and then i started doing so but it was always incremental

it was always step by step two steps back one step forward and it just it just kind of gradually i never was an overnight success like the guy on my show tom welling who was on smallville he was sort of an overnight success and i always looked like holy shit man how do you deal with all that pressure so you're saying ultimately that the the fact that this movie wasn't a huge success kind of humbled you and you know got you made you a little more prepared for what was to come. For sure, 100% because, as you know, there's ups and downs. There's definitely steps back, or you feel their steps back. Step. Step back. Yeah. Whatever. And so, yeah, you know, I think it definitely propelled me for what this industry is all about, which is you've got to be thick-skinned.

You've got to be able to maneuver. You've got to be able to kind of lift yourself up when things don't go your way. And so, yeah, it was the best thing to ever happen to me. Were you pleased with your performance? Did Helena, Helena, Helena? We say Helena. Did Hell? Did Helena come up to you and was like, you're so lovely, you're so wonderful in the movie, I loved you. Terrible English accent. It was actually not bad. Really? Yeah, it was not bad at all. I felt like she was there. Thank you. If I closed my eyes, I would have started talking to Helena. Um, she actually lived five minutes away from my house in, well, not my house, my family's house in London. And she was already with Tim Burton at the time. She was with Tim at the time. Was he there at the premiere?

Yes. Did you meet him? I did. I actually went over to Helena and Tim's house because they lived so close and they, after the movie, they kept inviting me over. Do they live in like an Edward Scissor Hands kind of house? You know it was really cool. I know they're no longer together, but what I thought was really... They're not? No. Oh, that's a drama. I thought they were the perfect couple. Just that perfect mesh of weirdness. They were really special to me. They wrote me as a rap gift. They gave me the first prop that you see on Charlie in the chocolate factory. You know the poster that you see on the lampos? Yeah. uh that they signed me uh they signed that for me on the back of it and i actually have it in my house really yeah it's really cool do you keep stuff do you keep stuff from sets do you keep like memorabilia do you ever ask for autographs because as you can see looking in my home i get autographs i collect things i do things because i always feel like i was always doing that beforehand and i never thought i'd be famous and i never thought i fit in so i thought you know this could be my last movie this could be my last show every time I do something. So I'm like, I'll get an autograph. I'll have it. I'll have memorabilia. One day I'll show my kids if I have it or my friend's kids or whatever. And I thought

it'd be cool. Do you get stuff like that? Do you keep things? I'm exactly the same as you in the sense of like, you know, I don't keep as much as what you've kept, to be honest. This is like a little insane. Yeah, well, but I think what I do, I always try to take the back of the cast chairs. I have all those. Yeah. You know, it's just just not the chair. It says the project. It says your name. Yeah. Do you also have a chair? Yeah, I'm sure you have one chair. I don't actually have a chair.

I don't have a chair. I just have the backs of them. Do you want to hear something cool? Yeah. This is a big name drop in my office. So I was friends with the late Carrie Fisher. She was a good friend of mine and I loved her dearly and I miss her. But one day I came over to the house, her house and she goes, take that chair.

I go, it was her Carrie Fisher chair from Star Wars, a Force Awakens. it's the Carrie Fisher Force Awakens. And I go, okay, where do you want me to take it? She goes, home. I don't want it. And I know you love this shit. So I have Carrie Fisher's cast chair in my office. That's so cool.

Isn't that cool? That's awesome. I always feel like Billy, her daughter's going to call me one day and say, can I have that? And I'd say probably, yeah. Yeah, I think you'd probably have to give that back. But it's so, that's so cool because you also think about that chair is not just a chair, obviously. Like the memories of, you know, Carrie Fisher being in that cast chair during, during that shoot like that's what it probably brings back so i mean yeah and also her just saying

it's yours take it it was just meaningful she she just knew that yes it's it's for her it's whatever but for me she knows i'm a huge star wars fan and i always kept my cool around her i never really asked for stuff i just you know was always a friend and then she she just gave me the cast chair that's awesome well i'm sorry i didn't bring anything here you know yeah what the hell sorry what have you kept um i have to put i just keep the back of the cast chairs and i get the script signed on the front of the front by the entire cast the cast and the crew I always say the cast are on the the front right and then the crew's all in the the script really yeah so it's cool because you know what's amazing is the crew have made this experience the the crew have made

my experience in this industry amazing because I look back on it and I'm just like oh I remember that person oh that was so chill there's private jokes in there too um you know between you know me and that individual person so it's just it's just nice it's like a yearbook right it's cool it is it is like a yearbook um was your mom right after you did this movie you're like i told you to do this i said to do it she still she still says it she literally it's all because of me she kind of says like subtly and politely but obviously not very subtly because i pick up on it every time but she's always like you know like i was the one to tell you to go to america like because she was she was the one to tell me to go to the audition

so her instinct has been right like she her instinct she knew you had something yeah but I think every mom feels like this her child has something not my mom really no no no she didn't think I had anything

really yeah I think she called me dummy once maybe a few times oh that's not ideal well no not ideal but I never felt like I've got something until I remember I did a play in college and they saw my play he gets it for me

me he gets it from me you know she wants to take all the credit for it yeah course so what was it after so you were you were hooked after this because you had such an amazing experience with joey yeah joey the the runner the runner and the whole cast and the crew and you had such a great time in the premiere and you said i want to continue this yeah i just also i didn't love school so i was like oh wow i get to miss school like that's awesome like i definitely but don't you get homeschooled or whatever it is on set right set schooled to be honest you do you do you do get set schooled but i remember our first my first ever tutor her name was katherine and i used to hide from her a lot um and we you know a lot like and she literally said to my mom at some stage she's like you know

this is becoming illegal you know he's not doing it's not learning he's not doing enough hours um but that that was my school um and yeah so after so after that i went back to school got treated definitely different by kids kids yeah look i were you picked on i you know it's i guess people have different ways of putting it you know some people may see i don't know like i yeah i guess it doesn't seem like it was a good experience when you went back to school it wasn't it wasn't the best experience but you know what like i've always thought that if someone's gonna like pick on you like it's it's a highlight on them not me right you know like i remember coming back a couple of times and they used to get my school bag and like dump out the books you know just trying to be funny and i didn't really i honestly

didn't really care because I was just like, you know what, I don't think a lot of people have this mentality in school because, you know, you feel like, oh my God, it's forever and your high school friends are your friends forever. And the reality is like, in my mind, I was like, well, I'm only here for a couple of more years. Like, I'm never going to really see these people again if they want to dump my books out because at the end of the day, like they're kind of annoyed or somewhat jealous of the fact that another student of theirs, i.e. me, is going off and doing something that they're not, you know, then like, to highlight on them. Did you really have that mentality? So at that young age where we could easily be picked

apart and fall apart, you had the well with all, well with, wherewithal. Thank you. That's why I have Ryan here. The wherewithal. To know that this will subside, this will go away. This is just a moment in time. They're maybe jealous. Whatever reasons, it's on them. This isn't on me. Let's just get through this. Amazing. Yeah, I don't know why. I just was always very calm. I just, I remember, like, looking at my books and being like, it's just like pathetic on them, you know, not me. It's like, it takes five seconds to pick it up. Like, I'm not going to spend any energy really thinking about, you know, them dumping out my books. Didn't really care. You know, I, I had the wherewithal as well as a child. Really? Yes, I remember some kids were in the garage and they were all sniffing gas. And I grew up in a small tent. Indiana. This is what people did. Gasoline, right? Gasoline. They're sniffing gasoline and doing things that, you know, and I remember just backtrack,

like walking backwards out of the garage and then just like slowly turning a corner and walking back home, cutting through all the backyards, back to my house, thinking, I shouldn't be here right now. Something told me, because I could have easily that those kids were doing it, peer pressure and like, you know, and I looked back and I stopped hanging out those kids and two of them went to prison. And I wonder what it would have been like if I just didn't have that. And I just felt like, you know, I want to belong because we always want to feel like we belong. And, you know, you do something because, oh, that kid's doing and that kid's doing it. And I don't want to feel like the odd man out. But I guess I did too in a way where I, like you, I just go,

you know what? This is going to, this is going to go away. I don't, I don't belong here. This isn't, this isn't the place from me. Yeah, I guess there is that little voice inside of your head saying, like, you know what? Yeah, this isn't for me. Because what you just said is somewhat true in my life, too, there was a kid who is kind of, I just, nothing, it wasn't, the connection just wasn't there. There was something off.

And he also ended up in jail. I'm not saying that obviously people end up in jail, bad people at all. I just personally don't want to end up in jail. And I think, you know, like, but I do think that people can come out of it, you know, a few of my dad's friends have been in jail and come out of it, change their life around. Sure. You know, it's not like, that's it. Your life's over.

But yeah, it's an area that I want to avoid for sure. But I also think, you know, even with drugs, I think that was the same for me with drugs. You never got into it. Have you ever done a drug? So you've never done cocaine, obviously not heroin. Why would you go to the worst one of all? Well, would you jump from nothing to heroin? But occasionally you have a drink.

Yeah, I have a, I mean, it's socially acceptable to drink from the womb in London, you know? But you're smart, boy, like you kept your head on, head straight. Yeah, I mean, you know, I just, I don't know. I think, like you said about your dad earlier saying that, I don't drink, I don't do drugs. That was sort of, I remember I was like nine years old. I went to the kitchen. My mom showed me a newspaper article of this. My mom obviously loves newspapers.

She showed me a newspaper article of this woman who didn't have a. middle part of her nostril and because she had snorted like so much cocaine. Oh my God. And I was just so afraid that that was going to happen to me. And then I, you know, as you grow up, you sort of, especially in L.A., you kind of always around it, whether you know it or not, you know, and I was at a friend's house the other day, a woman's nose is bleeding, you know, from from doing too much cocaine. It's just like, it's an area that I've always just wanted to, again, avoid.

I also feel like I have quite an addictive personality. So I don't want to try it because then I have a feeling. that I'll like it and then I want to have a vision of where I want my life to go and I feel like if I start involving substances in that, it may deter off that. So, you know, not to judge people who do it, you know, because some people... Oh, no, judge them. They're doing, they're not, they shouldn't be doing it. Yeah, it's not for me. Everything in moderation for me, you know, I think I've experimented and things like that, but it just never, you know, like I remember doing Coke and I was just like, I couldn't breathe the next day. My sinuses were a mess. I was like,

yeah you know i didn't really have fun doing that uh i don't know i can't breathe the next day uh and i don't you know for me it was weird because i have like you know my energy a little ad so when i did coke it kind of mellowed me a little bit it kind of slowed me down it was the opposite effect where people would be all amped up and stuff but it's an it's an ugly drug i mean to you know think about you know people powdering their nose and now it's almost like even though it was a terrible tragedy that happened where someone who was snorting coke and there was fentanyl in it you heard about that in hollywood and some people died yeah well hopefully that will instill some fear in the youth where people will avoid avoid that you know that you hope that's out of some tragedy that it has

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the best the the I don't know what I I mean I'd hope I'd still be in the industry but it gave me the opportunity to be in the United States so you know Peter Morietta and Gary Marsh

at Disney Channel and especially Judy Taylor who sort of had a general meeting with me in the US when I was on holiday here took a liking to me and then worked so hard to create basically they kind of created that role on wizards for me

although they definitely didn't tell me that because they still made me audition um but you know they created sort of that role for me and i'm so grateful because it allowed me to get my visa um disney channel sponsored it which was incredible and it was just and then to get not just get a job but to get a job on extremely well-written show um some would argue probably the best disney channel show ever written in the sense of not just people love that show yeah and then selina gomez obviously who's incredible Well, who's that? Yeah, exactly.

So she completely blew up. And then to have a storyline to play Selena's boyfriend, it was just like one of those like, wow, this kind of happened to me moments because she was so successful. The show was, the show was becoming so popular, already was at the time, just won an Emmy. So I sort of, it was literally the right time, right place, right character, right storyline, right co-star. Did you have an English accent in that? I had an English accent. You had an English accent.

But then you started veering away from that and a lot of projects now, like pretty smart. Yeah. You do away with that. Yeah. You just have an American accent. Yeah, I think what happened was when I first got into the States, I was, you know, I was obviously practicing my dialect. And then Disney Channel, I booked an NBC pilot after I'd recurred on Wizards. and like during like after like four or five months of being in the united state

i had booked an NBC pilot and i remember my the pilot it wasn't the best pilot in the world we'd do a lot of those so my manager who i'm still with today good for you my manager who i'm still with uh was like okay this i'm going to now teach you about leverage and so went back to disney i went back to disney channel and said okay he's going to not be on the show. And at the time, my character was extremely loved and they didn't want to lose that storyline. And so Disney Channel put me under a two-picture deal and guaranteed me, I can't remember the exact amount of episodes on the show, but that secured basically a relationship over two years or three years with the Disney Channel, which is what I wanted, obviously,

over an NBC pilot. Right. And then one of those movies of the two-picture deal was, a movie where they said, oh, no, you're going to be English, you're going to be English, you're going to be English. We got to New Zealand four days before we started shooting, the director came up to me and said, his name was Stuart and goes to me, hey, I think we're going to do American for this. I'm like, wait, sorry, what? You're going to make me do an American accent on a worldwide platform. And I've got four days to practice this.

And so obviously did a crash course. It wasn't perfect. Now looking back on it, it wasn't perfect. You hear yourself some words. For sure. Of course. For sure. But I'm happy I did it because it made me.

jump in the deep end and terrifying and terror yeah terrifying like just so not natural but now obviously doing pretty smart it allowed me to you know really jump into it and and have the confidence of like okay if I can kind of do it once then the next time I do it I'm definitely going to be able to like achieve it so then ever since I just sort of went into dialect coach and uh you know dialect coaching and just did it. What are the toughest words to do an American accent? The toughest words that you think

world was tough. You know, you guys say world. World. Right? Yeah. Like at first I was like, wait, I just said, world.

World. It's world. Everything would be perfect except world. You're like, yes, I think this is an amazing world. You know? That's right.

Berg is a tough word. Burger. Yeah. Burger is a tough one. It's tough. The urs, the world. Yeah. Burger.

Yeah. And the you sounds are tough too, you know, because we're very chewy with our, with our, I speak a lot with my lips and I'm very chewy on my words. Right, right. Because Americans like, you know, further back here and a lot more relaxed. Why can't we, why is it that Americans can't do English accents? You guys don't need to. You guys have the, you guys have the market. It's fine. But, you know, some people get, who does the best English accent you think has an American that you're like, fuck, she's, she or here are really good, right there? I don't know. I don't, I don't know. Really? I really don't know. I haven't heard too many. I always try to think of Gary

Oldman's voice when I do an English accent. He did this interview when he was doing Dracula and he didn't like Francis Ford Coppola. He wasn't getting along with Francis Ford Coppola. He goes, when you're dealing in an industry like this, you have to have a great ego. And Francis Ford Coppola has an ego the size of San Francisco. And I've got a pretty big one too. So is that terrible? No, no, no. It's actually, I mean it.

If I, if I close, if I close my eyes, I could, I could buy that. You could buy it. Where would you say I'm from? When you're dealing in an industry like this, you've got to have a great ego. And Francis Ford, that word was fucked. I could tell you laughed at that word. When you're dealing in an industry like this, you have to have a great ego. And Francis Ford Coppola has an ego.

size of San Francisco. I would say you're from London. It's pretty neutral. Really? Yeah. You know, for sure. Can you do a cotany? My dad's cockney.

So he speaks a bit like, you're all right, mate, how you doing? Like, he's a bit like rough and ready. Really? What about mom? Mom's also a little bit the same, but she swears at all. She swears a lot. What's her favorite word? Why is it that English people could say and everything's fine?

My mom does not allow me to say that word. That's one way she just refuses me. It's one word you can't say. But the English used the word freely. Yeah, we say it. We do say it a lot. And sometimes we call our friends that, too. But your mom doesn't like when you say it.

No, she hates it. She won't allow me to say it. Really? Yeah. Oh. Yeah, she spells the letters out. It's too harsh in an American accent. Yeah, it can be, like, amongst a few mates of mine,

it's basic sometimes like saying mate. But I definitely think it's, in America, obviously, definitely not, you know, it's not approved in my household, but I know in America it's not approved. either was so you can't say that no what can you say can you say fuck um my mom does i mean in my life for sure like would definitely say it to my mates but in my household you really have a respect for your mother you really try not to do you say it you swear it all around your mother if i'm really annoyed yeah what you say i'd probably just you know say the f word to be honest Mom, that's just fucked.

But I wouldn't say it to her. You know. The situation's fucked, Mom. You're not fucked. I think, no, I swore once at her. She slapped me around the face. She slapped you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How old were you? 14, 15. And you never did it again. No, and she told me to never do it again. So I didn't. What's her favorite word? Her curse word. She can say anything.

It's a, you know, she's allowed to say. But what is the one thing you always hear her say if it's a swear word. Shit. She tells me to fuck off a lot. She does. I'll fuck off. Really, but you don't say it back. How can I?

Yeah, Mom, you too. You fuck off too. It just won't worry. It's just not as, yeah, I don't, I don't swear. It's weird. I don't really swear around my father. I don't say the F word around my father. It's weird.

You know, I'll say F. Yeah. I'll say, that's so Fpped. Yeah. But you lose a little something there. Yeah, it's not as impactful, is it? No. What about Selena Gomez?

Do you still talk to her? Are you still friends? For sure, still friends. It's funny, if I saw her a couple of months ago, and I hadn't seen her in a couple of years. And I just said to her, you know, sometimes when you're doing a show, you just think life, you know, you think it's normal. And then it took me a few years to really, I mean, look, I always appreciated her. But then knowing what that that show has done for my career, I owe everything to the writers. I owe everything to Judy, Gary.

And Selena was a huge part of that because Selena was the one that if she didn't want me on the show, She would have said something. She would have said, hey, like, find a new boyfriend, right? Which they would have done in a second. I'm not kissing him. No, I think, you know, and she, when I went on the show, that was something that I think she really appreciated was that I was extremely respectful, especially in kissing scenes, because, you know, at the end of the day, yes, it's her job to kiss her co-star,

but like, she's a human, you know, you want to respect those boundaries too. And so I think she really respected, I appreciated the fact that I respected those. and um just she she welcomed me she welcomed me at the end of day it was her show uh all the other class members became close friends david henry became my best friend i love david henry my best brothers great guy brothers jim linda his parents and uh became my parents yeah um i had a appendectomy when we were shooting the show and because my mom and dad were in london Jim, sorry,

Linda was the first one at the hospital. So, you know, they were like my family out here. And so it wasn't just Selena who welcomed me. It was David,

the two David's, Deloese, hilarious, Jake T. Austin, Maria, Jennifer Stone. So you're just close friends with everybody. Yeah,

Jennifer's now a nurse. I saw her, like, she left acting. She's in, she still dabbles in it, but she's a nurse also. Right.

Is there anything else you could do? Like you would do if it wasn't acting? If you weren't an actor, what would you do? Yeah, I think definitely I would like, I mean, I do, aside from acting, I do, I do real estate. Like, I've been investing. You do, you dabbled in what your dad and your brother would do. Yeah, I've always, like my dad always said to me, like, as soon as you can buy real estate. So I did. Really? Yeah. So you would sell real estate if you weren't an actor. I mean, my plan is to never sell

real estate. My plan is to buy it, hold it. Right. And never sell any real estate. Right. just because of just it's smart hold on to it real estate's the best investment you can make for the most part and so i've always on i've always sort of had an entrepreneurial sort of mindset like i've always anytime i could invest i invested whether it's um you know stocks um you know obviously crypto is an asset class which you know my accounting keeps telling me hey slow down it's uh he knows more than me it's vagus money you know which it is but you know it's definitely an asset class but yeah i definitely think on the entrepreneurial side for sure like i've always wanted to do more than acting i really want to

produce uh you want to have your own production company i saw an interview you were like i want to have 40 projects i want to be the rock yeah i want to have all these projects yeah and you feel like that's plausible if i work hard enough yeah i mean you're still young you're young enough where you can start doing this now yeah no i mean i'm already sort of in the process you know i've been a obtaining IP on books and stuff like that. We've actually pitched a couple shows to around town over the last six weeks, seven weeks. I want you to remember this face.

I will. When you have some productions. How could I forget it? When you have 40 projects. I want you to remember this one face for 40 projects. Okay, done. There's got to be somewhere where I fit in there. Yeah, you do.

In all of them. Go ahead. Go ahead. You're going to say something. No, yeah. So I just, and aside from acting, I have always been very interested in, like, forensics. like I love like I'd be very interested to see what a detective would be like

have you ever seen a dead body never seen a dead body have you ever smelled a dead body no I don't it is the word it's a smell that you don't forget there was a guy that died in our building in New York and I walked in and I go oh my God that's like sour milk but worse and my friend was like dude that's a dead body I'm like no no and the guy three doors down was decomposing for like two weeks and it was seeping through and I remember my friend Dave he'd knock on the door he'd say at the intercom I go

Hey Dave the elevator's broken So you have to take the stairwell And he goes all right And he almost died on his way up Because I forced him to take the stairwell Up the stairs But it's just like But it's the once you smell a dead body

You'll never forget that smell They told me that And I never forgot it If I smelled it again I know what that was Right I don't know if I could deal with forensics And all that shit

I know but if some If no one does Then you can't just get away We're killing people So someone's gonna do it Yeah you know like think about that i mean someone's got to take care of it someone's got to smell that someone's going to make sure that the law is you know so you could get into that i would definitely

yeah i could definitely i could see you as a detective on like true detective or something like happily do it yeah right back to kissing selina gomer um let me let me let's talk about that for a second i know it's all about respect and i've i've been there and i've had to kiss people and you know talk about respect Jesus. Good ringtone. Yeah, right? Yeah, very nice. You know who that is? No.

That's electric light orchestra, ELO. Oh. Blue days, dark nights. Okay. Du-a-do-a. I'll be educating myself and listening on the way home. You will love, listen to E-L-O their greatest hits, and you will say, this is brilliant.

All right. I think they're English. Well, I love that. That's that it makes them brilliant. No, well. Although having your English accent makes you do, you do sound smarter. Like, even how I just stuttered and couldn't get through a sentence, if you're like, even having like an English accent and doing it, you could stutter and still sound smart. Yeah, I definitely think sometimes I've got away with it over here sometimes because what I'm saying may not necessarily be the most intelligent thing in the world.

However, it sounds okay. Right, right, right. but you know the respect thing when you're doing a kissing scene and it's just like hey i want to have you know first of all have a breath mint don't have a tuna sandwich before uh you know before you kiss uh make sure the person's comfortable uh do you but there's also some come on sometimes aren't you a little bit like excited to kiss a certain person as opposed to sometimes where you're like oh this is work and then the other thing is like this is good work this is i'm getting paid to kiss Selena Gomez. Yeah, I think at the time, though, I was so, because I think, because I think

Selena was with Justin at the time. So that was an area that I did not want to even like interfere with, because I also really liked him too, and he used to come to set a lot. Was he really nice? Really nice. I played hockey with him in a tournament. And he was really nice. The first thing he did was walk up to me and goes, hey, how's the girl on Smallville? Was she cool? Lana Land. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she really, he like really was enamored by her. Yeah, and liked her. We talked about that. Yeah, he's a big hockey.

Yeah, he's a big hockey, yeah. So, yeah, no, I think at the end of the day, it's, you know, I look, everyone's human. Like, of course, like, there's a beautiful human being, like. Okay, this doesn't suck. Yeah, it doesn't suck. But with Selena particularly, I wasn't even, I wasn't even thinking about it. I was genuinely thinking like this is this is her show right like I don't want to so you But at the end of the day did you walk off set in your head just in a like a young how old are you

So well at that point I think I was like 18 or 19 okay so let's see 18 year old walking off set you just kiss Selena Gomez wasn't there that kind of like those lips were just fluffy I was wonderful I was very um what's the word um I was I wasn't I wasn't shy when I was 17, but I definitely wasn't extremely confident. So you didn't know if she even like kissing you. Yeah, I was just like... Did she ever say something like, hey, good job. No.

Really nice lips. That was an excellent kiss. No. You never did that. No. I did that once before where I was like, that was a great kiss. I felt that that was real. That was, I think we did, had it look on camera.

That felt great. Did you, did you, did you, was that okay? Was my breath all right? I want to know these things. But you didn't, you never, you never went there. No, I wanted to keep my job, you know. I just always wanted to get in, do my job, get out, you know. That's amazing.

But she liked you enough. You didn't get fired. No. And I said, so I said to her a couple of months ago, thank you, thank you, thank you. And we had a real heart to heart because that show was, are both of ours, you know, same for her. Like that show brings her back to before she was Selena. Gomez the pop star when she was just Selena walking down the street, right?

Right. So yeah, I think it was just a really special bond that everybody had because it was the start for everybody. Could you go see her in a concert? Would she give you free tickets? I hope so. I'll definitely go support her in a concert though. I'd be happy to buy them. But I mean, I... Have you seen her

perform? I've never seen her perform. Really? No. Would you like to? Yeah, I think she's great. Yeah, she is. I think she's great. She's got a really great voice. How old is she now? probably 27, 26, 27. And she's done with Bieber. Yeah, he's married. He got married?

Yeah. Beber's, the Bebe's married? Yeah. He's married. How was he on set, though? Lovely. Was he really lovely? Yeah, lovely.

Just, he would go out of his way to just be nice? Yeah, he was very chill. Like, at the time, it's tough for any human being at that level of, of fame. I just, fame is such a crazy, especially that level of fame. you know how do you comprehend i know people judge it's so easy to judge somebody when they're extremely famous you don't know somebody or it's like oh he walked by me he didn't smile it's like every he walks by every single human for the rest of his life what he's going to just have a permanent grin on his face forever like right he's human yeah he's got to

live his own life too and i just respect um you know look mistakes happen i'm sure he'd be the first one to sort of admit that but his growth is what i think's really inspired You know, how much he gives back now, what kind of example he's setting to the youth. Because, you know, it's like today we live in, you know, a lot of the world of influencers. But he is, has a huge influence on so many people. And I think what he puts out there is really important. And I think he is a great example right now to young people of to spread kindness, you know, and he's setting a good example.

Wow. And I really respect that. Yeah. Because for him to find himself during being, whilst being the most famous person on the planet with unlimited funds and unlimited access to anything and anyone, I, it's dangerous, very dangerous. It's dangerous to most people. So I respect I respect what he's done a lot. How much fun did you have doing runaways? How much fun? It was so cool, it was. It's Marvel, it's, you did three seasons? Three seasons. Three seasons. Why only

three seasons? Um, I think streaming wise, I think it's, I think financially they, they, that's, to potentially renegotiate with everybody after the third season they don't have to but I think that it's sort of an unspoken and you would have killed them in renegotiations I I uh you would have said I want so much money it's Disney I don't think anyone kills Disney in uh in negotiations you know I think you're right I don't think anybody kills anybody in negotiations but what was that like I mean it was a fun character to play really fun character to play I learned a lot on the visual effects side of stuff I thought that was great Because you always had the dinosaur.

The dinosaur. Right. And they had like animatronics and you had a special effects team. And they put money behind it. Yeah. They spent a fortune on the show. Also, it was a dream of mine to shoot at Paramount. I remember when my mom and dad were-

Because you lived near there. Yeah. Well, I live, yeah, 15 minutes. Right. But I think I remember when I first moved to L.A., sitting outside, praying with my mom in the car of like, you know, oh, I'm going into an audition. I hope I work here one day.

And then literally to have a key code, you know, to have the pass that every morning you then check in and you just drive in and you say hi to the security guards and like you see the paramount sign and you're the first trailers right there on paramount it's like wait what is happening here like to remind myself to pinch myself a lot I had to remind myself to pinch myself a lot because it was like wait I've dreamed at this moment you really prayed with your mom in the car yeah like what do you mean you closed your eyes yeah and what did you say. Did you speak out loud or did you feel a silent prayer? I'm quite an internal. An internal prayer. So it was one of those things. Did you hold hands? She just kind of closed

her eyes. You closed your eyes and you just said what you needed to say. She probably said something like, you know, bless my son, he's a good kid. And it doesn't mean bone in his body. He doesn't do any snort. He doesn't do any blow. He's a good kid. Let him work on this lot. This is a dream of his. Yeah. Whatever that is. And then I'm sure the praying continued once I got out of the car. Yeah. I'm sure she was praying from then to the end when I came back. Right, right. Yeah, it was just so cool. And then Josh Schwartz and Stephanie Savage, who wrote the show, wrote Gossip Girl.

And they were, they were spectacular. Like, they were so smart. I know, after working with them, I understand why they're so successful. Josh's sister actually lives two doors down from me, which was sort of a weird coincidence now. Wow. But, yeah, he's great. And then Jeff Loeb at Marvel. I love Jeff Loeb.

It's great. He worked on Smallville. Yeah. Yeah, he was a writer on Smallville. He actually texted me yesterday. He wants to get dinner next week, which, you know, it's another. Ask Jeff if Michael Rosenbaum can come to dinner. Okay, perfect. You should do it. I will. I will. He'll say, sure, if you want him to. I love that.

No, no, he's a great guy. He's a great guy. See you at dinner. All right. I'll see you at dinner. But Jeff's great. And he, you know, he believed in me, gave me the opportunity to obviously work in Marvel. But then at the top, I think Jeff was leaving and I think a new executive was coming in. It was during the merge, you know, Disney buying Fox and blah, blah, blah. So I think for all Marvel shows, we were the last Marvel show. We were the last Marvel television show. The Punisher got canceled and then we were the last one to stay on because I think, you know, as a new executive comes in, they want a clean slate.

So I think that's also what happened. And I think it was from a budget point of view, but also from a personal executive point of view. Have you ever gone to conventions and sign autographs? Yeah. So what do you sign for? Do you sign, most of your autographs are for runaways? You know what's crazy? I feel like that's why I'm so happy and grateful with just the jobs because some people come up to me for Wizard.

Some people come up to me because I did a few episodes on Pretty Little Liars, which is a huge show. Some people come up to me on faking it, which is a really important show for the LGBTIQI. is it now ia ia i believe so i've got to get that right um and you know so it was a great opportunity so it's night and then marvel and and i haven't obviously been convention since pretty smart came out um but but yeah so do you like conventions do you like interacting with fans what's that like for you i really like it i i love seeing their faces like up close and personal you know seeing their like reaction um sometimes the girls cry girls cry they see you and They cry.

They cry, yeah. And what do you do? Do you cry back? I just, no, no, no, I don't cry back. Are you ever touched by a story they tell you? Really touched. Right, right. I mean, I've had people show me that they have tattoos of my face on them, which I feel like a little.

Tattoos of your face on them? Where? Arm. I mean, they didn't show me anything else. Okay. Okay, good. All right. But, but, you know, it's just, it's a lot.

It's a lot. And it's amazing. But at the same time, you always think. like okay i know it's amazing thank you so much for being so kind but i'm just me so there's like a weird it's hard to show that you're just a regular guy because you really are a genuinely good guy so you want to like make sure they they they know that you're almost trying to prove yourself like i'm just a regular guy but at the same time they don't see you as that yeah exactly so it's kind of this dichotomy of like sort of like it's cool and you're yourself but at the same time

you're this persona you're this image that they have and you're you're this image that they have and And you have to, do you feel like you have to live up to that? I think it's important to, you know, you're there for a reason, which is people are coming to see you. And even if you're having a bad day, you have to make sure that they have a nice experience. Right. Because I agree. You know, like these people, without your fans, you don't have a career. So, so it's important to make sure that they feel love to because they give so much love.

So an actor or singer or whoever is at the convention can give some love and time back. Yeah. Because they would do anything. for you. They'd watch every show you put out. They'd buy anything that you'd listen to this podcast. Yeah, for sure. And it's, and, and, and they're just diehard fans. And so it's important to make sure that they feel respected and loved. Yeah. What about pretty smart? How much are you enjoying that? The best experience of my life. You really, I could tell, I saw some interviews and you just have so much fun doing that. Again, you have an American accent. Yeah. You have, uh, you're, and you have to keep in perfect shape. Like,

I saw the workout you did before you got here this morning, and I had an anxiety attack because I thought, I can't do this. And also that I felt like I'm doing things wrong, because you start talking about how you always have this, like, you always get the blood going. You've got to, you have to have cardio first before you go into strengthening. I just walk down there and I just kind of lift up weights and I just kind of do some weights and then I leave. But there's a whole regimen to it. There's a whole mindset, right? Yeah. And that's your addiction. Not the drug. but working out, health conscious. Yes, yes.

I think, especially for the show, when you've got a real reason, you know, Netflix is a huge platform and 210 million or subscribers or something, it was insane. And so you, I knew that I was going to be shirtless, and so I knew that that tape was going to last forever. And so, yeah, you have a real motivation

to make sure you're in the best shape ever, you know. But aside from the show, I do live a very healthy lifestyle. You know, I eat pretty well. What do you eat? Like, let me, take me through a day just like, what will you have for breakfast? I'll probably have avocado toast, maybe some oatmeal. I have some, you know, eggs too. And then I'm on a meal plan.

So, you know, for lunch, I'll either have a salad or I'll have. With chicken in it maybe? Yeah, chicken, eggs. I don't do the sauce, you know, which people look at me. They're like, well, you're eating salad, just. Because that's where all the bad stuff, it's a sweetness and the sugary and yeah right but it's kind of is it kind of bland have a I love it really I love it because I just think like yeah you make your own salads no like sometimes

I'll like go to sweet green sweet green has great salads right and or I'll just get it from the from the meal plan but then I have salmon or eat um you know quinoa yeah but no candy bars no chips, crackers. You really stay away from most of that. Definitely when I'm shooting. No sodas, right? No. Are those the things that kill you? I can't. I don't. I don't, I don't, I don't really get it. Like when people It's so refreshing and crisp. It's like you take a sip of a Diet Coke and it's just like your whole mouth just explodes. Yeah, then and then like five minutes later you can feel it. Oh no, I feel it and I see it. I see it. I see it in the gut. I see it. I see it.

What would you recommend for a 49-year-old who just wants to stay in shape? What would you say? What would you say? Get rid of sodas. Get rid of the candy and the sugars and just eat balanced meals and try to work out a couple days a week. Is that as simple as that? I mean, definitely do some exercise every day, you know, like whether it's going for like a brisk walk for 20 minutes, 30 minutes, light jog for 15, 20 minutes in the morning.

Yeah, and just stay away from stuff that you, you know, that you can avoid. sodas, sodas are not, soda's not good. Drinking water is very important. Really? Very important. A lot of water? Yeah. How much water do you drink a day?

I mean, it's funny, I don't actually have it in my car, but it's a gallon. You know, you know one of those water bottles that tell you exactly like, oh, 9 a.m. You're doing good. Yeah. 11 a.m. Keep going. I have one of those. And more. By the way, you know, it's Hollywood.

You go through relationships. You go through breakups. You hear it all the time. Every actor goes through it. Are you mostly first. friends, like, for instance, Bella Thorne, I don't know if you want to talk about that, but are you still, like, what's the word? Cordial.

For sure. You are. Yeah, probably more than cordial, because when you go through a relationship, you go through, it depends obviously how it ends and why it ends. But, you know, I think with Bello and I, I've just always just, it was always important to me that she grew up to live out her truth. and so we come from very opposite family dynamics and so she unfortunately lost her dad when she was I think nine and so it was really important to me that she felt loved and supported

whether or not she was in a relationship with me or out of her relationship with me and so after the relationship it was yeah important to me that I was I said it to her just so you know like I'm, I'm here for you as a, as a, as a, as a, as a friend, I always will be. And I always will be. Um, so someone came up to her and said, hey, how was it dating Greg Salkin? You think she, you, what does your gut say? What did your gut say you think she'd say? I, she wouldn't, I, there aren't many reasons why she would say it was bad, you know, right. Right. I mean, nothing's perfect. Yeah, no, no, no. Things end. Most things end. Yeah. She, she, she would say, yeah, I'd probably love it.

Greg. It's probably what I think you would say that. Yeah. Yeah, I hope she would say it, but I think she probably probably would. And how much does Michelle like you talking about her bringing up her name? Bella invites us to her birthday parties every year. Come on. So Michelle and Bella, this is like a fairy tale fucking life here. Yeah, but I think it was important. That's nice. We both, all three of us actually created that dynamic because it requires a lot of like maturity. Maturity, yeah, you know, me making, me explaining to me, Michelle, that, like, Bella's a person that I will always be there for if she ever needed something. Michelle was, like, extremely mature and understood that and respected that. And then

on, on, you know, on all angles, just like, I wish her the best. She wishes me the best. She loves Michelle. I really respect Ben, who Bella's engaged to now. So, yeah, just sort of, you know. It's, hey, can't ask for a better. There's nothing worse than an ex-hating you. Yeah, there's just no need. There's just no need for it. Especially if no one's done anything wrong, you know. If it was just a simple, simple like, hey, we're just growing in different ways.

We just didn't work out. We're just like, we're not compatible. Yeah. This is called shit talking with Greg Sulkin. This is just from my patrons. You go to patreon.com slash inside of you. These are people who support the podcast a little more. They ask a few questions.

It's rapid fire. Great. Let's go. Little Lisa, do you have any hidden talents? Hidden talents. Just like the real estate. Yeah. Was a handball champion when I was a kid.

You were a handball champion. Yeah, as a kid. I mean, me and my partner, but it wasn't just me. It was a shared championship. Wow. Handball. Yeah, it was like, we call it fives in England. Fives.

Yeah, which is like you play in like a concrete squash. Yep, yep. It's really cool sport. I loved it. Do you still play it? No. No. No.

You like to play, would you like to play again sometime? Yes. All right. Yes. Michelle Kay, what's a misconception you had about Americans or the U.S. in general? That's a tough one.

Misconceptions, misconceptions. You thought they were all vulgar and rude? No, no, no, no, no. I love this country. They have the best burgers in the world. Burgers in the world. Burgers in the world. I think probably that I just assumed

that the country was all the same and that over time you realize that, wow, this country is huge and has so many different, you know, incredible parts to it. You know, you've got Southern California, but even in the middle of the country, it's, you know, there's great places. Dana asks, who have you met that made you goof out a little bit over? I think when I was a child, David Beckham.

And you met him? Yeah, I actually met him again last week. My friends, his very close friend's birthday party, who's also a close friend of mine. And lovely. What actor, though, are you star-struck over? Oh, actor? I haven't met him, but I think I'd like to have a drink with Clooney.

Really? Yeah. You know what? Because he's a gentleman. Yeah. Maybe that's why, because you seem like such a gentleman that maybe, you know. Well, thank you. Yeah.

You know what's crazy is my castmate on Runaways, Renzi, just did a movie with Clooney. And so I was getting all of the information from like what's he like. and my other buddy, Graham, worked with Clooney on a Hulu show. So I feel like I've got to be next. Like I, that is my dream to work with Clooney. I can't wait to see you as a bastard. As a bastard. To play a bastard.

I'd love to. I really think you'd be great at that. And I think it will surprise everybody. And it will be one of those things where the headlines are like, oh, Greg Salkin, you know, he played all these great, nice guys. And now he's just, you know, he's just, he's evil and conning it in the bastard. called The Bastid, right? They would be called The Bastid.

I don't know if your mom would like it. Does she want you to play those kind of roles? That's not so bad. No, the bastard's fine. I definitely. Yeah, but that's acting. I'd love to play that. So you want a production company.

You want to make your own, you want to put your friends in all these projects. What else is there? Anything coming up? I know you did a horror movie called Don't Hang Up. Yes. And I haven't seen that yet. But how was it?

Because I love horror. As you can see, a big horror fan. What was your experience on that? I should have, I think my lesson from that movie was make sure when you read the script, you're looking at how many nighttime shoots and how many exteriors and interiors. How hard is that? Because it's, it's wet, it's bloody, and it's cold a lot of the time. And you have to cry a lot. Cry a lot.

Did you ever have to have them blow glycerin in your eyes or whatever to help you cry? I'm sure. I think after like week four, I'm just like, fuck it. I don't care. Because I got to such an emotional low point that it was just like awful. I'm just calling my dad at the end of the project and being like that. I don't know if I can do this. Like, there was the lowest point in acting, I think. What was it about that?

Did you feel like you were just mentally and physically too tired to continue? Yeah, I just went to too many dark places that I just, it wasn't enjoyable for me anymore. Did that make you sort of deter from doing horror movies? Like you wouldn't want to do one again unless it was no night shoots, not as much crying, not as much as an emotional voyage? No, I think that you just got to be careful with how many horror movies. you do yeah um so now i'd only do one if it really made sense right um and also it really made me think like oh i want to do comedy and i'm a happy a human offset when i'm doing a comedy i'm in a

better my i'm in a better headspace so if i could pick and choose um comedy is definitely something that i'd like to stick with just for the next little while and that's why the show is is amazing because pretty smart Netflix i love those people yeah it looks like you're just having a great time It's the producers of how I met your mother. Yes. So, I mean, it's witty. It's smart. It's pretty smart.

Yeah, it's pretty smart. And you have a great time doing it. It doesn't feel like a job. Is it in front of a live studio audience? Well, no, because of COVID. Oh, right. But if we get a second season, then yes, it will be. So you really want to do it again?

Yeah, because I've done multicam. I did Wizards. I did a show called Melissa and Joey with Jerry Lawrence and Joan Hart, who were so good and such professionals. Love them too. And them two, those two. and i did young and hungry too with emily osmond who i'm working with again yeah who is so good at multi-camp it's absurd and so i just i don't want this job to end like i don't want

the job to end because i'm learning so much i'm having so much fun doing it i'm working with great directors um you know pamela frayman directed us phil lewis who's unbelievable um so yeah i just I don't want, I do not want it to end. Do you get, do you, you don't seem like a person who gets really down or gets anxiety. Do you ever deal with any anxiety or depression or anything like that? I don't deal with social anxiety. I know a few close people to me that do deal with social anxiety. So I always used to think like, you know, I guess I'm, I used to be part of the problem

with anxiety in the sense if I didn't really take it seriously. I just thought it was like, oh, come on, it's fine. It's fine. But it's not, mental health is a real thing. And it's so tough because you can't see. it and that's the problem yeah so it's like you know the brain is so so so complex and you know that's why professional it's tough being an actor i'm sure you feel like this too but you know you get messages and it's sometimes dark like hey i'm thinking of oh yeah not being here any longer what do i

do and i'm just like hold on like i seek professional help because it's i don't i'm not qualified to do that it's like mental health is a real thing and so it needs to be taken seriously so if you do have an issue, try to seek out professional help, you know, of course, have your friends and stuff. But like, you know, it's, yeah, it's, it's weird. But thankfully for me, no social anxiety. Of course, I have low days, low moments. Sure. You get sad. Yeah. But it seems like, you know, part of your routine, part of your regimen is the fact that you work out a lot. You eat right. You're not putting bullshit in your body. And that probably helps a lot. Yeah. That probably does, you know getting the exercise getting the heart rate up doing all these things a lot of times you

know i feel like when i'm down i'm depressed i'm anxious it's because i'm not exercising i'm not taking care of myself i'm not taking care of the machine and when you don't take care of the machine you kind of fall apart you know things need some oiling and yeah and lubing sure is that right man this listen this has been a lot of fun i was i was a little nervous because i don't know you and i and i felt like you know like what are we going to talk you are so easy you are so easy easy to talk to. Oh, likewise. You're really open and fun, and I had a great time today.

Dude, perfect. And by the way, I'm going to text Jeff. You can come for, I mean, welcome to come to. Text Jeff. I will. Yeah, if I'm not working, I'd love to come. I love Jeff. He's a great guy.

We'll have a lot of laps. Thanks for being on here. I really appreciate you, allow me to be inside of you today. Thank you. I mean, that's a, yeah, a bit weird. Yeah, I say it to everybody. Not everybody. well that was a treat he was a treat and um you know i don't really feel like we've had a bad

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Yeah. Ryan, are you ready for the holidays? I am. You know, it's weird. This time of year, it's just, I just feel like the year's done. And I just feel like we're just. Are you sad? It makes me sad.

Sombor. Beginning of December makes me a little somber. It does because it's all the holidays are passing us by. And then, you know, you get to the beginning of next year and it's just like work, work, work, work. But you know what? We still have a month left of the holidays. and you know christmas spirit and uh so just you know i will say this ryan what's the true it's it's not over it's not over yet the holidays aren't over we still have some time let's try to enjoy

each day let's try to be grateful for each day that we have and it's hard but hey we're here today we're together you brought me a bottle of wine i did i did do that i'm very happy about it uh You know, had a great podcast today. So, hey, you know, things could always be a lot worse. So try to stay positive. Try to stay happy. I'm saying that because it's hard. And that's the true meaning of Christmas, Charlie Brown.

That's the true meaning of Christmas. Hey, guys, I love you. And thanks for allowing to be inside of each and every one of you from myself, Michael Rosenbaum. Myself, Ryan Davis. Here in the Hollywood Hills of California. California. We love you. And come back and see us.

Come back and join us. and please continue to support the podcast. Thanks, guys. Hi, I'm Joe Sal C. Hi, host of the Stacking Benjamin's podcast. Today, we're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000. What would you do? Put it into a tax-advantaged retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home. Something nice. Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this edition that we're adding. $50,000. I'll buy a new podcast. You'll buy new friends. And we're done.

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