Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - RHEA SEEHORN: The Golden Globe Shock, Brutal Rejections & The Vince Gilligan Phone Call That Made Her Cry

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

Rhea Seehorn (Better Call Saul, Pluribus) joins us this week for a candid and grounded conversation about the weight of her recent Golden Globe win, the long road of rejections that shaped her, and the moment Vince Gilligan called to say he had written Pluribus specifically for her. Rhea opens up about watching herself on screen, suppressing her anger until her body forces it out, and finding the heroism in simply getting off the couch. We also talk about her mentor's advice on curtain calls, the brutal feedback she received about her looks early on, and why she believes the best acting comes from her healthiest place. Thank you to our sponsors: 🔹 Blue Chew: bluechew.com + “inside” 🫶 FODZYME: ⁠https://icaneatagain.com/inside Upwellness 👉 Hydrate your liver at the cellular level with LTV! If you’re tired, bloated, or feel like water isn’t working anymore, this could be the fix 🔥 Get UP TO 64% OFF FOR A LIMITED TIME: http://drinkltv.com/Inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou⁠⁠ 👕 Inside Of You Merch: ⁠⁠https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: ⁠⁠https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🤣 TikTok: ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast⁠⁠ 📘 Facebook: ⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🐦 Twitter: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod⁠⁠ 🌐 Website: ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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eight years. Ryan Tejas is here. You know, it's one of these podcasts that I think helps a lot of people. Certainly helps me. And I just appreciate you guys supporting me and keeping this podcast alive. There's, you know,

after COVID hit, there was just an onslaught of podcasts. celebrity podcast and i never wanted to have a celebrity podcast as much as i wanted to have a a podcast that was you know a little more meaningful and um talked about uh adversity and you know made these celebrities feel human like us so i hope you're enjoying it thank you um i i just had surgery so we haven't recorded any of these intros or outroes i had had an emergency surgery um i was just in the world's worst pain you can imagine uh and i say that that confidently because I was at an 11 out of 10. I checked myself into the hospital and they were

giving me like fentanyl and ketamine and dilatid, whatever. And I was just a mess. And so I had to have emergency surgery the next morning and they went in there for an expiration and they took a culture and they found out that two months ago before that I had an infection. And I guessed when I started to go into PT and they were manipulating and working around. Definitely wasn't the PT's fault, but maybe it was a little too early and I had an infection. So it kind of spread it around a little bit. And so now I have a pick line. It's called a pick line here in my arm. And so they put this in the stays with you and then they just, they click into this catheter and inject antibiotics every single morning at 10 a.m. The nurse comes to the house for at least another couple weeks. So I'm limited.

I can't do too much. I can't really turn my head too much. I don't want to show you. But like, you know, so it's, I'm definitely better than I was. And it was, I honestly thought I was going to die. I'm not kidding. And I, I've experienced pain, but had tons of surgeries. I could, I think I have a good threshold for pain.

This was curled up in a ball like I couldn't move thinking, oh my God, this is how I'm going to die. It was absolutely horrifying. And, you know, my friends were so awesome. Ryan was awesome. But, you know, people wanted to come to see me.

And I said, no, I don't want anybody to see me like this. This is like, it's just not fun. I was in such a bad place that I just, I didn't want anybody to see me. I didn't want to have to try and act like I'm better than I am.

I was just like a, just a piece of shit, man. And, you know, my girlfriend, Jack, was just unbelievable. She stayed with me four nights in the hospital. She saw me at the lowest and the worst. Like, I don't cry in front of people. I'm not like someone who always cries.

But I was talking to the surgeon right before the surgery. I don't want to have the surgery. And tears are just coming down my face. And I'm just like, so a mess. But anyway, thank you, everybody at the hospital. and thank you all my friends and family and patrons out there and people out there who have thought about me and you know I'm on the road to recovery but it was I never thought I would have an infection or have to deal with anything like this but shit happens so thank you for

being here thank you for supporting this podcast if you like the podcast you want to enjoy it more there's so many perks in patron P-A-T-R-E-O-N Patreon.com slash inside of you If you join, I'll send you a message after. But anything helps the show. If you want to give back, there's tons of, tons of material out there. We have the clips channel. We have the episodes. We have the Patreon where there's, you could ask questions to guests.

You could be on the show. You could get boxes from me with gifts every couple of months and on and on. And most importantly, you'd be helping the show. So patreon.com slash inside of you. I hope I'll be going on the cruise. Yeah, it's still up in the air, isn't it? Yeah, so as far as I know right now, more up in the air than it was.

Unless, if I don't get better or I get worse, then probably I wouldn't go. But like, I have five, six weeks from this point where we're starting now. And I assume I'm going to be good. I have a good feeling about it. I'm going to do everything I can to rest up. Because I want to go.

I'm excited to go, all these excursions, all these things. So I'm going. As far as I'm, I know, I'm going right now. I'm not, you know, I don't plan on getting worse. So knock on wood. Ryan, knock on wood,

yeah. Yeah, thank you. And, yeah, so there's that. The inside of you online store has tons of merch for you. You can get autographed lunch boxes,

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I guess that's all I have to say, really, Ryan. How have you been doing? Well, the giving idea was, it's been over two weeks since we recorded anything. We stockpiled a lot of stuff, which is good for everybody listening. But I haven't been here sitting in this spot. For weeks. Usually it's twice a week. Once or twice a week, absolutely.

Yep. And so it's been a weird, I mean, you've been dealing with all that. And so now to be back, it is honestly like, it's strange. It was, it was like, because you, yeah, like you texted like Tom Welling and I, and I saying like, you were like knocking on death store. We're like, Jesus Christ. Yeah. I could tell.

Yeah. It's, yeah. It's been. Yeah. And you've been like, you're used to working and this and that. And now you're like, but you still have a lot of work to do for Talkville. Yeah. I mean, I didn't, it wasn't without stuff to do, but I was without this sort of routine of coming here.

So was I, yeah. And we were out of sort of this sort of, yeah, this routine. And it's weird to have that suddenly removed because it was so, we were busy. We were busy. We were busy. We had like, I canceled four podcasts. I know. I still have one coming up next week that I'm supposed to interview Bruce Campbell.

So I'm hoping that will stick. I'm able to do it today. I'm definitely stiff and, you know, not myself, but I feel like overall, night and day better than I was two weeks ago or even a week ago. But anyway, look, I'm here. You're here. Thanks for the support. I love you.

Write a review if you like the show. If you're here for Ray Seahorn, you came to the right place and you probably fast forward all this shit. Or maybe you found it interesting. But if you like this episode and you like, like the interview, then give this podcast a chance. Follow us and listen. I think you'll really enjoy it. It'll help you if you're if you're into mental health stuff and you're into grounded shit. Um, so, uh, I love Ray. She's, I've been trying to get her on the podcast forever, but she's so

busy. I mean, she won the Golden Globe. She won all these awards. She's such a talent. And, um, I was thrilled to have her in here. And I was thrilled that she was more than I even anticipated or imagined. She gave everything. She was so humble and sweet and so smart and so talented. So let's just get into it. Let's get into Ray Sehorn. Where you get nervous for a role.

Oh my God. I get panicked. Do you get anxiety? Yeah. I live with anxiety. What are you doing? I was just taking a live picture. I always get nervous, but that's fun.

I look forward to it. Let's get everything out of today we can. And how much time do you have left? and how are you going to use it well. So come on now. We would have to do another inside of you. But actually, but that's kind of what you're doing, Michael. I mean, you're on this road, this journey of what's inside of you.

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This is an absolute treat having you here. And it hasn't been easy. And primarily it's because you've been so busy. We met at the Food on Foot. Go to FoodOn Foot. and support homeless yes great organization i'm i belong i'm a 99 club member same and so are you if that text went through that night i said i should probably check you know like in the middle of a drive there's like QR codes and other things and like you're doing it really quickly and i assume but i'm also

like an idiot that doesn't check like the monthly thing yeah um turn that monitor around i don't want to watch myself what are you doing who wants to watch themselves by the way do you like watching yourself No. Do you? Did you watch every episode of Pluribus? Yeah. Did you watch it with your... With my partner, Graham.

Yeah. And I watched all the episodes of Better Call Saul. But I watched everything twice because the first time is only fault finding with myself. It's so excruciating. But I want to, and I know some people like avoid watching anything there and all together. What is it you're hard on about yourself? Oh my God, everything. Same as you, I presume.

Like you look and you're like, oh my God, I didn't have a, I didn't know I had a wrinkle there. I don't know I had a dent there. Sure. Your face. Like anything you've ever been. secure about if you're going to like enlarge it to the size of a giant screen these days. Sure, you see that. It's also like resting face, like between speaking when you're like, oh, this is my thoughtful

face and you have eight necks. But it's honest. That's your thoughtful face. It is honest. But yeah, sometimes it'll be, sometimes it's acting. And then sometimes it's the other way, which is why I do watch. First of all of my castmates work. And then secondly, I want to see the story.

I mean, 99.9% of the jobs I've had, I'm very fortunate enough to say that, like, I would be a fan of them if I wasn't in it. I would, it's something I would want to watch. So I want to see the show, see all the pieces I wasn't in, see. But then sometimes I learned something about my performance by gauging, like, by taking a look at the take they did use. Sometimes it's not the one where you're like, there was one where I was so honest and, like, in the pocket. And it's like, oh, but I see why this take they used befits the story better. Yeah, that's always fun. That's true.

You're like, well, what happened to that when I was so like, and I did this and that's not there? I was acting so hard. And then you watch it again, you're like, I realize I know why they did this. And it's good that, you know, they know what they're doing for the most. If they didn't know, it wouldn't be a hit show. It wouldn't be a, everybody's guy. That's what I always say. When you're on a show, it's not, you can't just be great.

Everybody around you has to be great. For sure. It has to look great. 100%. Sound great. Yes. The story has to be. Everything has to be great for it to hit.

Not, well, that's not. There's a lot of shows. That's true. There are a lot of shows that you're like, how are people watching this? But also, there are great shows that no one's watching. That's probably true. Great pilots we've all done that didn't get picked out. Yeah.

Yeah. No pilot that I've done. Ever didn't get picked up. No, no, every pilot I've, no, pilot didn't get picked up. But I'm saying, I'm glad they didn't get picked up. There was a couple that I'm like, this was a shit show. They fired the showrunner. This happened.

Sure. Sure, sure. Dodged a bullet. Yeah. But I remember meeting you at food. Onfoot. Yes. Great organization.

Right. Let's go back to that. And we were honoring Bob Odenkirk. Yeah. And, you know, he gets up there. I just talked to Bob a few weeks ago he was here. And he got me emotional. He was so passionate when he got up there and how important this is and like what we're doing here.

And I was like, it could have just been like, oh, thanks. But he is such a passionate guy. Yeah. Is he like that, you know, on set on just, you know, you've known him a while? Yeah. I mean, he's a very passionate guy. period, I don't regularly see him get emotional

in the way he did about food on foot or but he does. I mean, his kids, his wife, people that he loves, people he cares about wanting the world to be a better place, organizations like food on foot. But in general,

he's a very passionate person. He's passionate about his work. He's passionate about his relationships. He's passionate about writing. He's very passionate. about comedy. It's always fun slash overwhelming to watch comedies with it because as I'm sure you have, if you watch comedy with people that are like encyclopedias of comedy and the history of comedy, they look at it like math. I mean, it is math. All those of us, I've done comedy as well. And like, it is math, but they're dissecting it. Like, they're not gaffaing at anything. Even like, it's more like,

ha, that was good. I see what he did there. That was hilarious. He knows. I mean, look, Mr. Show and all the stuff he's done he's been doing it for so he knows his shit but i just remember seeing you and and i did not recognize you at first at the food on foot yeah for you know as an as an as an actor as you know i just was like this girl i remember thinking she's just awesome like you were so no i remember i i i told my girlfriend i was like how cool is she she she's great and then somebody's oh she's and i go oh of course holy shit oh that's that's kind of awesome Yeah, it is awesome. It is, you know, because... I mean that you didn't like...

Well, you're just not Hollywood at all. I have heard that. And I know that people mean it as a compliment, so thank you. I also have people that don't... That have talked to my face about Better Call Saul and liking it and then taking us, not really gotten that like I am Kim Wexler, which I'm like, I'm not wearing prosthetics. I don't look that different, but one very sweet interviewer that I don't think he meant to mean all. He's like, you're just so much dorkier in person. I was like, I'll take that.

Are you dorking? Yeah, and that I'm awkward. word physically and don't say the right thing. Don't like I don't, you know, just things as much. I like Kim Wexler was somebody who relished and had a superpower in not filling silences. That is not my forte. Like I can't.

Like I can't. Yeah. Or rescue the person because you think you're helping. Right. Isn't being included in a conversation. and it's um you know are you have you always been like that because i've always been i'm going through this now not only a people pleaser but like i feel like i'm always taking care of people and i'm trying not to as much interesting because it drains you and it's like oh you know when you you look at someone

and you just say why can't you just get your shit together i you you keep trying to fix people it's not fix it's just like it's right in front of you it's so easy it's like you know you just take one step one step at a time like do this get do that and and I feel like why are you if they don't want it it's not going to happen right they have something has to happen in their life rock bottom or you know and I have friends like that where I'm just like I care about them so much and I love them and I just I have to learn to say if you need me I'm here but I'm not going to do this anymore I'm not going to you know interesting you know do you have just as many people like wanting your help or even being subconsciously like manipulative in trying to get you to fix things.

No, no. No, I don't think, I don't think they are. But I think that I love them so much that I want to help them. Right. And it hurts when they don't want the help. Right. So, and that's happened with family. I think it's AA language too, but I had heard it in an Al-Anon room once where somebody said,

they were talking about like this constant, constant, like almost. It's like a tick that you've got to fix things and get over there and fix that and help this person. And oh, that person looks like they wish they were a part of the conversation, but they can't find a way in. I got to like fix that. That that is egotistical. And I was like, what? It's not. It's just like the problem is like we're so nice.

We're so kind. And it's like you're not giving them the language is you're not giving them the dignity of their own experience. And to think that you know better for them is egotistical. actually is to serve you. You are uncomfortable with their discomfort. You are uncomfortable with them not better than yourself. I could see a little bit of that. I'm sure. But, you know, it's sort of, I don't know if the analogy is like when you're a stand a comedian and there's one guy that's not laughing. Sure. What's going on? 100%. It's ego. That's ego. That is ego. But for me, I really believe that everything that I do truthfully is altruistic. Really? Not everything.

You just said everything. Well, when I want to help someone, it's not like, how do I get the easy way? Like, I'm like, hey, how do we do this? What do you want to do? Let's, let's talk. Like, I want to figure it out. I'm not just running through it. I'm just, I take the time.

But you could, like on a cellular level, there are arguments that people make that there isn't any true altruism. You can't be acting outside of self. Even if you pull somebody out of a river, there is a part of you that can't live with being someone that wouldn't pull somebody out of the river. But if you do something and you don't tell anyone that you did it. There's that. But there's still you.

It's still you. And you know you did it. And you're like, I did something good. Right. Right. I'm not. I'm shoehorning, um, plurbous. You're seahorning.

I'm seahorning this. But, um, we had some, um, among, you know, there's like lots of very large life questions and issues that come up in the show. But, um, also these smaller like, um, not just, nuance, but what do you call it, like, their subsets of a larger question. You know, so it's like, but what about that? But what about that? And at one point, people kept sort of fixating on the relationship between me and one of the others, Zosha, brilliantly played by Carolina, of course, but like, are they manipulating me just to get what they want? Am I manipulating them to get more

information or to live in my deep denial that the world is fine and live out these fantasies? and I was saying that it's clearly not true love, whether it's denial or it's manipulation or it's a willingness of suspension of disbelief. But somebody else in the crew is saying, and they're not wrong, they said, but isn't all flirtation manipulation? Like, isn't, aren't all relationships? Like, everybody wants something. If you're flirting with somebody, you're hoping that they want you.

Yeah, if you see the right line, like, oh, look, my future ex-wife. Yeah. She's like, oh, that's funny. And then you're kind of in a way you're you're impressing her. But we were like, well, that's depressing. Hopefully we're not all actually trying to take away all independent thought and choice from the partner. Yeah. It's so funny. Which is kind of a bigger issue. It's funny. We're talking about that in the parallel with Plyrobus. Yeah. You know, it really is. Inside of You is brought to you by Blue Chew. Guys, hang on here. Stop. Listen. You want to listen to this. I'm telling you. Blue chew right here. I tried it. It's awesome. It really works. And let me tell you why it works. Okay. Being ready for sex, you know, you could take these other things and it's like, oh, okay, you're ready. But with Blue Chew Gold, they've been on a mission for years to get you bricked up, build your confidence and help you actually perform in the bedroom. And here's what's cool. Their new arousal boosting formula. Blue Chewold is helping millions of men have better sex in 20. 26. And here's the thing, while most ED meds only focus on blood flow, blue chew gold goes further by combining two ingredients for blood flow with two ingredients for mental arousal and connection. So you're not just physically ready, Ryan. You're actually in the mood. This type of innovation is why bluechew gold is the number one brand in erectile function. I love this. I tried it once and didn't even take long. I mean, I think I took it probably 15 minutes, honestly, before. And all of a sudden, I'm just,

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I mean, I think it's, what's more astonishing to me is, again, going back to meeting you six, eight months ago, like I saw that person again, that person who like a human being was nervous, didn't expect to be there, was shocked, was how was this happening? All the real human emotions came out in your speech from the time you got on stage and everybody was with you because most time people come up there and they've got it figured out and they're like, I just want to do this. And it's rehearsed. And there's a certain confidence or sort of, but they're with you, as confident as you are, as an actor,

as a human being, this is in front of the world. Yeah. And that was terrifying. It was what is, when they called your name in the Golden Globes, did your brain actually register what was happening? Or were you completely out of your body?

It took me a second. I, yeah, a lot of people were like, wow, you really look shocked. I was like, I am. Yeah, I don't know why I had to tell Queen Latifah that I met her at Cuckaroo. I was just looking at it and I was like, that's so crazy.

I remember that? Coocaro. It was like 20 years ago. I loved Coooooooo. I did too. I loved it so much. Me too. But she was nice.

And I remember, I think it was one of the first like really famous people I saw in any kind of normal setting. And I just told her I was a huge fan. And she was totally nice about it. it just was like a big deal to me, which I remember standing up there and then I had written down a piece of paper. My biggest fear other than just this sort of, you know, whole, whole like public speaking, which is a massive fear for many people, is to not thank somebody to have left somebody out. And so I do write those little names down. Sure. And then, but I almost get more

nervous writing, really writing out like a heartfelt speech and then trying to memorize it, because then I'll just worry about forgetting a line. And you're so nervous that you could forget. If you're that nervous, it's like, what's going to happen? And it's never going to come off slick anyway. So I kind of abandoned it this year. I have some ideas like, oh, this means this, you know, this particular juncture of this or, or, you know, the Saturn Awards, I had just found out that only in line found out that Bob was going to be giving it to me, which he surprised me with that. So there'll be things like that that just come up. And I remember that night seeing Queen Latifah thinking that, but then also the number of women that had come up to me in that room because I do probably appear

nervous, although not like, not in a way of like, yeah, and not in a way of like, I don't want to be here. It's not that. It's just overwhelming. Overwhelming. And like I said on this stage, like I was looking out there. I was like, there's so many women in this room who do not know me or some have met me one or two times that have been on this whole campaign circuit. And like A-less people and, you know, Tiana and Chase from one or blah after another, they don't know me at all. And Odessa, Jesse Buckley, Kristen Bell, like. All supportive. Just like out of the blue.

Like you get a hand on your arm of like, hey, you okay? You're all right? You want to get water? We're going to go get a drink. We're going to step outside and get air. It's like amazing. Yeah. Especially like, you know, I'm a gals gal.

So knowing that a bunch of women got you is really lovely. I love that. First person or a moment from your early career that flashed in your mind when you're standing there. Did you think back of like, oh my God, right? It's probably like a flash. They say when you die. there's a sort of it goes by your whole life. People have said that before.

Your whole life flashes. I'm wondering when you're so like overwhelmed, you got this, do you just want to get through it in a way? Are you just all of a sudden you start feeling like, oh, my God, the struggles, the, you know, never thought I'd be here. And, you know, this person, all that kind of go through your head or not really? I don't think, I don't, I think that almost takes more consciousness. that I could afford in that moment.

But I would imagine the stream of consciousness of walking up on this stage and being like, Queen Latifah, oh my God, I met her at Cuckaroo. I'm sure that that is, you know, a product of my whole brain trying to piece together. And a defense mechanism. How could I be here now? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Like in that you're saying like the whole thing of like, oh, my God, I've paid these dues and I've been working this long. Like it is part of that. You are kind of like, oh, my God, I used to watch the Golden Globes. Now I'm here. And oh, my God, I'm sitting with the table from the studio. And I'm a huge fan of that show. And there's that famous person. There's that famous person.

So, yeah, it's all going on. And yeah, I try as, as much as I want to just say, like, oh, my God, the other performers are just as good. Please don't think that I think like I'm hot shit. Like, I'm so, like, you know. worried about that. At the same time, I try way, way, way, way, way deep down to pull my shit together a little bit, first of all, to thank the other people. But also, I remember Howard Shawitz, who's one of my greatest mentors recently retired, but from artistic director of the Willie Mammoth Theater and created that company in Washington, D.C. And I used to do really awkward

bows at curtain call, like, really? Like, oh my God, no. And it wasn't it wasn't fake. like, don't look at me. It was literally like the black and white to me between performing a character. And it was a smaller stage at that time. Now they have two large stages. But, you know, you had people very close to you. And I could act with them a foot from my face. But then the curtain call, same as public speaking. It was like, it was like me. And I'm like, oh, look at me. I'm awesome. Want to clap for me? How about clapping more? I'm going to wait. And so I would freak out. And he came to me one night. And he goes, hey, with the curtain call. And I was like, I know, I'm just so, I'm just like, I'm so humble.

And he goes, no, no, no. The curtain calls for them. It's not for you. And he was like, so please. And he wasn't, he wasn't being shitty. He was like, they want to thank you for the performance. They deserve to be able to say, thank you. We appreciated that.

Thank you. We liked that. Thank you. We thought that was funny or that was moving. Yep. Your weird deflection in acting like it's awkward is taking it from them. It's not for you. It's for them.

Different perspective. I was like, oh. So even though I still sound like a freak show on the stage when I got the Glove and the Globe, I was trying to hold it together. It wasn't a freak show at all. I didn't think that. I admired you more. I think everybody did. And everybody was like, I want to work with her.

Seriously, I was like, I want to work with her. I would do anything with her. She's just, she's like that. She's just real. Do you ever think back to those early years of auditions and like struggling jobs or like, how much did you struggle? A lot. But it's all like, you know, you don't want to get into what aboutism kind of as it's like, I'm sure not nearly like harsh as someone else had it or this had it or la la la. But I'm one of the one of the very, very few that never had a casting couch situation, you know.

Oh, God, thank God. So like my heart breaks for those people. But yeah. And then as you well know, some of the hoops you have to jump through change, but there's still a new set of hoops. like every time. Like, okay, so now you are getting called for this, but these, this tier of projects, but you're now in a grouping with,

let's say, 15 people that foreign investors definitely think are worth more money than you do. So, you know, you're always fighting a new fight anyway. Yeah. Having access, particularly through Vince Gilling and Peter Wold and the writers and producers and directors and cast that he groups together and having the chance to do that kind of writing

has specifically afforded me conversations with not just people that are further along success-wise in their career, but specifically a type of work and a level of work that's very interesting to me. And I'm very, very grateful for that. But so, yeah, the struggles are still, they're still there. There's parts I really want right now that, like, you know, it's like, you got to fight for. People think the fight stops. It doesn't. It does not. It doesn't. It's like you're always fighting for something it's just like well we want to see her on tape well can she come in and meet the director can she always right or right or the writer director loves you but the investors have the same list of five people and you're like let me meet then they'll love me right I've done that before

have you held that go um I've said it before I was like just have me go in a room because this fucking stuff on put yourself on tape oh that part yeah yeah yeah just in general it's just like I think my personality shines in a room. I get it. You know, not over Zoom. But I think, I mean, yeah, I think about like the earlier times and the struggles. And yeah, it was hard. I mean, I've been.

Did you ever think of quitting? No. Not once. I mean, I thought like, God damn. And I'm going to have to have more than one day job next year. And did. But no, not. No, not quitting.

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heard of. They all mean something to me. I have a Saturn award. By the way, I'm fully proud of Saturn Awards. I have three. I have one. See, you always have to up me. Yeah. I have one. Yeah, I'm really proud of all of them. Then there's also ones that other people outside of our industry might not know as well, but like TCA's achievement in drama. It was very special to me because it was supporting lead male and female and limited or ongoing. Ooh, covered all the. Yeah. And again, not a competitive thing. Like I thought I was better than these people. But I just thought like, wow, it's really, really just about a performance that whatever this voting body is, you know, decided was of note.

Right. So that was cool. Were your parents growing up strict? I know they, you know, your dad was in the need. Both of them were in that. My mom worked for the government. They were all civilian, but we worked on or near basis a lot. My dad was the counterintelligence agent for NIS, which is now N-CIS.

And my mom paralegal, a quality control expert for training. Were they strict? Not not overtly. Did they beat you? Comparative to now. Right, right. Oh, God. Yeah.

My mom spanked me, but it was normal. Yeah. Mine too. And by the way, my sister and I preferred the spankings to my dad's talks. Do you know that is what I always say? I'd rather my dad spank me than yell at me because it was terrifying. Oh, he didn't. Yeah.

My mom yelled. and spanked my dad your dad was the yellow well he he spank my mom would just do crazy shit like poor oatmeal in my head seriously it made me go to school i mean it wasn't that hot but it was just like i had oatmeal in my hair stuck in my hair and i had to go to school so like public humiliation stuff yeah she just she was kind of she was nutty my dad wouldn't yell but he'd like kick up the um recliner yeah and then you had to sit indian style with like your legs tucked down to the foot part and just like listen and it would be stuff like if i got to see he's like I just want to know.

I just want to understand. I think I was 10. Are you okay with being mediocre? And you'd be like, I don't. I don't know. I would just cry. And I'm like, please just let mom spank me. It's just.

You're making me feel real shitty. Yeah. I'd rather feel pain. He also always wanted to know the why. And I am somebody that doesn't have a lot of whys for my behavior anyway. But when you're a kid, like you really, I'll never forget grinding. being oh no no no actually i'm i just conflated two memories it was my it was my niece jordan my sister's kid and uh and she's awesome and she used to remind me of myself when i was little

because you would ask her why she had done a certain thing and at that time she had she had taken the can of country country time the pre-sweeted lemonade that we've loved it that i ate just out of it with sprinkles. And she'd poured it on the ground in the carpet, like thick carpet, and then drizzled some water and then was walking in circles, mashing it into the carpet, almost like she's at a winery. Like Lucille Ball on the grapes. And they were like, what? It's a horrible idea.

Yeah. That's not a good thing. And my sister kept asking her like, why did you do this? Why? What? And she was in tears because she just had no reason. And I remember looking and growing like, yeah, I get that. Like, no. I constantly think, and I still do, that my brain, that there's meetings that happen in our brain

that have kind of not dissimilar from inside out, but not just emotional, like different parts of your what if or like, like worst case scenario, best case scenario, the logic involved, the like, what's all the resources we have that we can help make this decision? And there's meetings and you come up with one decision. But sometimes I believe there are meetings that happen while one of you, that should have had a deciding vote was doing something. And I will suddenly say something. And I'm like, I would not have voted for that. I would not.

But it's too late. Now it's out there. There's got to be a moment because it took me a while to say I'm an actor. Why? Because I didn't think I was worthy for a while. And then something happened where I, there was a moment where I go, you know, you're good. you can do this. Was there that moment where you thought, I've gotten a lot better?

I'm confident. I think I've got this along the way. No. No, still never said that. No, but I think I said I want to be an actor or I want to make my living as an actor for a while. And then pretty much it comes up the same as when people say like, when did you know you made it or something like that? And I'm like, it depends on what you mean by made it because it was a big deal to me the first time I got cast in something that was not at all affiliated with the school, college. I didn't start acting until college.

It was a big deal the first time someone paid to watch me perform. It was a big deal to get an equity, which is very hard, way harder than SAG. I love both unions. I'm a big union person. but took a long time and a lot of blood sweat and tears to get into equity. And becoming a company member at Willie Mammoth Theater. And the fees. The fees.

The fees for everything. Remember when you would hold off getting in SAG? Oh, yeah. Can I get a waiver because I couldn't pay the fee? Yeah, couldn't pay it. And then I got Taft-Heart lead and they literally showed up on set and were like, you can't do it unless you pay the whatever $1,200 it was that day. Yeah.

Yeah, it was something like $1,200. Something like that. Are we talking mid-90s? Yeah, probably. That's for me too. But so I, as soon as I was, as soon as I was doing a professional production, I called myself an actor. I think I thought it's helpful. I didn't think, I don't think I thought it was bragging.

I thought like, I thought maybe this is the same as like getting, you know, like people will say if like if you're a writer, like get out of your pajamas and put your clothes on to go into the office or whatever. Like fake until you make it. I don't know. It was important to me just define. myself that way and and deal with the I also didn't know anybody in entertainment at first then I knew a huge theater community in DC thank God but you know just deal with the Snickers deal with the sideways looks my backup career is painting so it's not like anybody you'll get painter I'm okay but that's why I went to school for and then I decided a minor in theater

what do you paint abstract shit abstracted figures but it is figurative nice I didn't mean shit I just paint shit I literally abstract what do you what do you paint abstract shit Yeah, that's that. See how inflection can like, what do you, what do you paint? Like abstract shit or? Yeah. Was there a particular rejection that sticks with you? The biggest rejection you ever got that you were.

All of them. Don't we all remember those? Or like you bombed an audition or you just were like, fuck, that was awful. Oh, yeah. Multiple times being told, uh, in some version, uh, of, language that I was great and everybody loves me for the role and you're fantastic. But we have to get somebody attractive. We have to get somebody hot.

We have to get somebody that a man would like. They never said that. Yes. These words were said to my face. And what's more painful is they weren't said like, I know this is going to hurt. And I know that it's not factual. It's just one person's opinion. They were said as facts of like, like almost like they're on my team for sharing.

like you were great you were a casting director walking out of an audition you're so great but i mean we know they're going to want to get somebody that's like you know really hot and i was like it's so hurtful what do you want me but also what do you want me to say to that it doesn't help me it doesn't you know it's like oh you know let me go back home and get hotter i i don't in your eyes it depends on how you're defining hot too yeah whatever and uh the other one um we have to get somebody oh i was offered any wanted in a play. Any role. And so I picked the one that was, I thought, it was a, it was a farce. And so it was heavily weighted by the comedy part. So it wasn't like I just wanted to be a laugh for, although I can be. But I picked the funniest one. And literally with no, no problem with

what was coming out of his mouth, he said, oh, well, we have to get somebody that would be attractive to men for that role. Come on, come on. Ray, right. And you're like, huh. Okay. That's fucking brutal. Yeah, I got a lot of brutal stuff.

The only thing I got was you got to fix your teeth, man. Oh, really? You got to fix your teeth. I got to fix your teeth. And I fixed them and I got a leading part. Are your teeth great now? Let me see. I just have the ears.

Oh, they are good. Just the tops right here. But it was because of hockey and shit. But your teeth are great. No, they're all like, like, you're like, Whatever. You don't ever notice any. But they're not veneers.

I don't have their chicklet teeth. I would have noticed in pluribus. I didn't notice one episode about your teeth. Your teeth are fine. Christopher Gess told me one time to not fix them, which I was such a huge fan that I enjoyed that. Yeah. Do you ever, I mean, this is a stupid question because you're going to say yes, but anxiety,

get anxiety? Tons. How do you deal with it? Different ways over the years. I just in the last couple of months, I'm like, really getting back on top of like regular therapy. I think that I am better when I have talk therapy regularly. I also take Zoloft.

Yeah, I take Alexa Pro. I've been on Lexopro before. And again, like obviously, because Zoloft works for her, Lexpro works for me, doesn't mean that it will work for you. You have to go to a psychiatrist. You have to figure it out and it could be a process. Right. I've stayed away from the as needed ones that are relaxants or sedatives.

I've tried those before. Yeah, the Xanax, the Diazepam family. Too highly addictive and make you kind of feel shittier at times. Tired, fatigue, swimming-headed. I'm super freaked out about anything that would change my work, you know, or affect my work. Although I'm not at all in the camp that I was. I don't know about you when you were younger where you just romanticized being like a torture. pain to artists. It's just like, my depression is why I'm good and it's such bullshit. I am a much

better actor when I operate from the most healthy place I could be. Yeah, I will say that's true. But I will say someone who's lived a life of a lot of ups and downs and dark and just living. Sure. Has a lot of history to kind of tap into. Yeah. And that's helped me. Yes. And the serious part when I have to do drama or anything, I can easily tap into shit that just is dark. Right. But I have to have the perspective. Right. Yeah. You know, I can't be in it. Yes. Well, although, I don't know. I have depression and anxiety and I work with it all the time, you know. It's like even even alcohol you have to be careful with. Like you said, the same as like

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You know, and that he wrote it for me and wanted to go on this journey with me because I instantly saw the technical difficulty involved with it. The rapidly shifting tone within the same scene, playing with all different genres. using different tropes from different kinds of movies and had had conversations with him where he said like the tone was going to be something we were going to find in performance. A lot of it is on the page, but a lot of it had to be seen or heard. Like how comedic can you take this moment over here and have it still live in the same show as how dramatic or dark you went in this moment over there? Because we all watch shows, and it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine where I'm like,

yeah, everybody in this is great, but they're not in the same show. Right. Or this show doesn't know what it wants to be. It's very hard to shift tones and shift genres, but still have somebody at the helm. And Vince is so great at it where the show does know what it wants to be, but we navigated those things together. So I think I got excited and terrified immediately. So that's always a good sign. Is it?

Yeah. For me. I always get freaked out by everything. Well, I do too. I mean, constantly, I'm just like, today's the day they're going to find out. Yep, I'm not good. But, you know, there's something kind of comforting in the fact that he says, we're going to figure this out in your performance. Yeah.

So that almost makes you go, okay, so I could just try stuff. I don't have to be, if I miss the mark, then he'll bring me, he knows what he wants. Yeah. And I've got the tools and let's go. Yeah. Yeah. Was there ever a scene that you were just like, you couldn't get out, you couldn't find that tone. You couldn't find that beat.

You couldn't. Or it just took longer. We, no, but I left scenes being at peace with the fact that I don't know which take. I don't know which tone he'll be using. I just was just like, I get it. He's going to, but we've worked together for so long now that we have a bit of a shorthand and he likes to modulate and so do why. So it'll be like, let's take down the comedy like 0.7.

It sounds very technical. It's not. It had to remain like from an organic place. And we figured out early on, as we might have guessed, that the comedy in plurba, is almost never a joke. It is, it is, it is, it is, it is, the human behavior, getting as honest as you can in these circumstances. Because we're basically like very weird little animals when left to our own devices.

Yeah, yeah. And how similar do you think you are? Because they always, you know, they, you know, you do characters and they're like, you're like, I'm so far not, I'm not that character. But Carol Sturka. Not very similar to me. What is... Neither was Kim.

What is about her that is just so distant from who you are? She's so... Carol's so suspicious of happiness and joy and anything going well. Now, if I have something good happen, I am, like, terrified, it's all going to be taken away. Like, I'm not saying I don't have the catastrophic part of me, but if something like is fun in the moment or makes me laugh out loud or a beautiful. day or just a perfect bookstore on a rainy day. Like, I'm very present and I enjoy all of it. I think she's only just now realizing how much she missed out on, on moments like that,

just now, meaning like in the later episodes of plurbas. So I'm not like that. I wish I was as comfortable expressing anger as she is. I really do. I suppress it. I suppress it till I have, until I'm covered in eczema. And I'm like, what? I'm fine.

And everyone's like, I don't think you are. So that's been fun to play of like, oh, what if you just told everyone to F off that you wanted to tell to F off? What do you think Carol wants more than anything and what's getting in the way of that? She wants to fix it. She wants to like take the world back to the way it was. I mean, it's, it's, yeah. And what's getting in the way in if she can't figure out how. Do you think she's genuinely a good person trying to do the right thing?

In her mind, yeah. Yeah, I think it's up for you to say whether you're not, you think that's a good thing or a bad thing. to her, yeah. What do you think is the most difficult part about playing that character that's so distant from you? That's all the things you said. Yes, but she's also, and Vince would remind me of this. She is an extremely reluctant hero, not just somebody ill-suited to the job, which would be one technique to have for your main character that's trying to do heroic things, but she's repeatedly

reluctant. She would prefer that someone else do it. Vince would remind me even when I was doing the, you know, she's taking the plane out to meet the others. And I was discussing with Jen Bryan for costumes and Sherri Montessano for makeup and Trishel made up for hair. Like, do we think she finally took a shower? Do we think she put her makeup on? Because she knows how to pitch a book to a publishing company, right? So she and she wants to convince these other people that we should do what I think we should do.

And Vince said, yes, but she is not hoping to lead the revolution. She was hoping to just like that's anybody else in that room, which is why she's asked, like, do you have science experience? Do you have like any aeronautics? Do you remember? She was just literally hoping to bring like cups and plates to the revolution, like, you know, or be on chips duty, like not at all lead it. And nobody will.

And that keeps coming up. And then she can't get help. And I love the small parts of the show where getting up off that couch are on some days as heroic for Carol as, you know, leading a revolution. It's funny you say that because I think that there's a lot of subtext of that. Just getting up and just waking up and doing something is so hard for a lot of people. I've been there. But like you were saying about the friends that have not accepted help, like putting one foot in front of the other. and I was going to say

that's actually not that easy sometimes. I know. And I've been there too, but I think that you just have to want it. Yeah. Sometimes you don't even have to want it. Sometimes you just have to take the step and just then maybe the other foot will go. Shit your pants and dive in.

Lawrence Charney said that in Reservoir Dogs. Oh. Sometimes you just go. I'm the worst with quotes from. I love films. What's this one from? Are you out of your fucking mind? Okay, you're definitely doing Nicholson. One flew over the cuckoo's next.

Shining. Would you be friends with Carolyn in her life? Yeah, but I'd be afraid. Like, I would definitely categorize her as like, you know, not a safe space. But I would be friends with her. Yeah, it's funny. It's how she's funny. She's really funny. Yeah. That phone call that, you know, the call and you kept hearing it. Yeah. I was like, why doesn't you just call them and tell them, I get it, you don't have to say all this stuff. Just go right to the beep. Yeah. What, you know how like, like, like, I love. lot of how many people have commented and like people like why did he keep playing it in full we already got it and i was but i get it though it's very Vince to me that's very Vince it's

it's you know it's and it goes on and you're just like oh my god and it becomes funnier yes it goes all the way Pete to like okay it's not funny anymore and then like it won't stop it won't stop did you ever question it no but i knew immediately that i should have a slightly different reaction every single time and that's not easy those little reactions changing nuance every just that thing with you do i remember one you're just like you know that yes uh i love that you know when vince called you to do this was it was something he told you while you're doing saul hey got this idea or did did he just call you out of the blue i was calling all of my writers and producers and directors and just asking them like hey what are you

doing next and i was reading for things and auditioning and going on meeting things. And I was like, well, obviously it goes without saying that. And we, they, I don't think we'd even aired. No, they were in post production. But I had wrapped and had gone back to LA. And I was like, obviously it goes without saying that I would want to work with them and like, whatever they do. And I was like, well, you know what? It doesn't need to go without saying. I'm just going to call. And so I did. And it was like third phone call was Vince and Peter. And they were in the editing room together and I was like, I just wanted you guys to know, like, it's just like I've had the time at my life and it's everything from the types of sets that you arrange, the people around you,

the energy and the encouragement to better yourself every day, to literally writing that allows characters to evolve and discover new things. I was like, so, you know, whatever you do. And Peter said, Peter Gold said, well, I die feel the same. I definitely want to work with you again. I am sure we will, but I really feel like Vince needs to say something. And this is also funny because the two or three other people I had spoken to before I got them on the phone, Melissa Bernstein being one of them, were kind of dodgy in their answer in a way that made me think like, ooh, overstepped my boundaries right there. Or because they said like, they were like, uh, yeah. No, yeah, we should, yeah, we should work together.

Sometime. Great. And I was like, okay, just, oh, yeah. They'd go two ways in your head. You could think, like, maybe they didn't really like working with me or like my performance. Well, turns out Vince had been telling everybody for multiple seasons that he was writing something for me and hands off. So they were like, we can't offer you anything because Vince is. So then Peter, that's why Peter said, Vince, I really think you need to say something to Ray. And I was like, what, what, what?

And that's when he said, well, I wrote something. something for you if you're interested what the fuck i mean honestly Vince gilligan saying i wrote something if you want to do it if you're the equivalent to the film make to movie making like Spielberg right he's like the speleburger of tv i agree i mean and then he said i don't i'm not ready to send you the script and i don't want to pitch it to you because i think i just want you to read it with fresh eyes were you like but you're sure it's i'm like well i just I said just I go, well, yes, let's do it.

And I was like, well, you can wait till you read it. And I was like, I don't need to. What'd you do when you got off the phone? I cried when I was on the phone and then I hung up and then I cried more. That's beautiful. Isn't it those moments? Well, it doesn't get better. It doesn't get better.

And then the fear kicks in. Yes. And the fear was all the way, you know, day of it airing. And because you never know how it's going to be received. And, you know, people say all the time, like, well, you must have known like that it was a great show. I was like, yes, the writing was great. Hoped my performance was what Vince wanted, what I wanted, like, you know, whatever. My castmates were certainly phenomenal.

I saw enough of the filming that, I mean, my crew is incredible. But that doesn't mean something is going to be received well. Not critically or fans. And to get both is very, very difficult. Stunning. And also, like, there can be backlash even for. from people liking you too much. They have historically, you know, been so kind events and historically been very kind to me.

And people can just get mad about that. Yeah. You never. Over saturation. Yeah. It's too much. Yeah. She's winning too many awards.

It's annoying. Yeah. Exactly. Let's just hate her. Right? Oh, that doesn't come. I've had the greatest fan base. When does, when do you start filming Plurba season two?

We don't know. Still don't know yet. No. When did it end? filming. When did it finish? Yeah. December principal photography.

And then we did one, three weeks, three or four weeks. Big Sky Montana for the ski resort stuff. Maybe it was two weeks. And then they started their post-production. So maybe December again. I don't know. You don't know. Are you ready?

Yeah. I mean. They're in the writer's room right now. Right. But you don't know how many episodes. You don't know. Mm-mm. No, I don't.

Did he tell you anything? Like, no. Ooh, it's going to be, you're going to be vulnerable. You are going to cry. You are, there's scenes where you're just, you're going to, you're going to kick somebody's ass. He said, I should sharpen my pantomime skills. I'm kidding. I know.

No, nothing. I mean, I know that he said, he said this publicly when I was South by Southwest or somewhere where I was with him recently, that they went back to the writer's room with all these thoughts that they were thinking, like, I think this and the nat and that. thinking like and this will wrap up this way and da brapa but da papa and they got there and they started doing what they call like kicking the tires on all of it and basically just wanted to go back to square one um but i mean i think that's why his shows are so rewarding i mean i know he would even say he wishes he could get it back on sooner um yeah but it's not like the old days he's just like

you know he doesn't he doesn't like he doesn't like plot to he does feel rush this is him working his ass off. I happen to know and his writers. But he doesn't like things like plot shouldn't dictate character. It should be the other way around, which sounds easy enough, but it's not. So if you're writing the episode or the scenes and you just really want XYZ to happen because that's going to enable you to do this plot point you felt like doing and you're looking at the character going like, she wouldn't say that though or why would she behave? I mean, like, you know, Jimmy McGill was supposed to become Saul Goodman full transformation at the end. end of season one, A Better Call Saul. That's what they had sketched out. And then they got about

halfway through and they were like, that's stupid. Like, he wouldn't. He wouldn't. Look at what Bob's doing. Look at what's percolating. Look at how these stories. This doesn't need like, that's just shoehorning that. And so they do that with every scene. And I, I really do think that the audience feels rewarded. He is assuming a great deal of intelligence from the audience and assuming that they want an intelligent show. Yeah, it's very intelligent. It's, you know what it is? it's different than anything I've ever seen. Thanks. I think so.

I mean, what can you compare it to? Nothing. It was very last man standing. Well, no, when I had to like to talk to people about it, you know,

and the press junk gets and they're like, so what's the show about? And I'm like, uh, human nature. It's really hard. Samba, Samba shoot.

Brilliant. Um, his character. You know, I look at it and I'm like, I bet a lot of people would do what he's doing. 100%. And would they be wrong?

Not there's argument. I mean, that's another thing that Vince does so well is like there are solid arguments on both sides. And this is the end of the world. Totally. And I could just do what I want and have what I want. What else can I do? And you can tell, Ensemble plays him so beautiful.

You can tell that this person didn't have that before. Yeah. And so it's kind of like, and even when he expressly says to me that like, is this so bad? Like race isn't an issue. Class isn't an issue. isn't an issue, you know. And he's bringing up the fact that like some of these questions of like, would you rather come from place a privilege? Depends on like what was your life before. But then again, what's real freedom? What's real independent thought? What's real like what's how do you

define happiness? Or as Vince would say all the time, like is the pursuit of happiness the goal we should all have anyway? Like what is that? He was like I he's constantly not happy. He loves it. life. He loves his friends. He loves his partner. But just being in a constant state of joy is just not his jam. No. No. And it's like he's not seeking it either. So did he fail? He would ask himself, he said this again publicly. Like he spent a lot of time thinking like, oh my God, I have everything that I would say that I wanted on paper. Why am I not just bouncing around joyful and thought there was something wrong with him? And it's like, there isn't. It's just, I don't know. They're much bigger questions. I've done that before where like, you know, I'm kind of around the house and doing something.

And, you know, my girlfriend's downstairs. And I go, you know what? I just think of something funny. I'm going to just go in there and do some nude dance or something. And just like, because this is life, man. Life's good. Convincing myself that life's okay. And I'm like, woohoo.

Yeah. And I'm like, I'm tired. I'm going to sit down. Yeah. That was a good minute. That was a good moment. I just, you know. Totally.

It's all about moments. It's all about memories. But like that character though, I think what it is is like you'll see, I'm sure, in the series that empty sort of disconnected sex, you might get something out of it while you're doing it. Right. And then afterwards you're just like, but there's no connection. Well, even playing out the, you know, the casino stuff or like these people all being friendly, they want something. They're just being friendly. They're acting.

They're acting. They're acting. which we all know in this business to a great degree is like but anybody in any position like at work like why is this person being nice to you yeah and does it count if there's a reason behind it um you know it's uh but there it is telling though that diabettae towards my last interaction with him does admit that he told them he doesn't want to be changed so there's some part of them that's that is definitely wanting to hang on to individual thought um and so how long we play this game like I don't I don't know I mean I told I was telling something the other day I mean

there was times when I was like yes it would be carol yes it would be carol but there's also times when I'm like I understand her feeling I understand why other people are looking at her saying like you're old man yelling at clouds from the Simpsons like this shit is happening whether you like it or not so why why go down like a whirling dervish like why not listen to the symphony on the Titanic you know Yeah. It makes you think. This show makes you think. What would you do? How would you react? Oh, is Carol being to whatever? Uh, maybe not. You know, she's trying to figure this out. She's, you know, is anybody going to be with her? Is anybody going to help her? She's like, or she'll alone. It's just, what would you do? Not you. I'm just saying the question. The question is like, what would you do? Inside of you is brought to you by Patreon. That, yeah, you know, Ryan, I'm talking about Patreon. This is, uh, this is, uh, this is, this is. is a place where people can congregate online and talk about episodes, talk about life, people have made friends. There's so many perks.

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Gosh, I mean, that's hard. What? I guess, I guess winning the Golden Globe. Yeah. Yeah. That's the basic. Yeah, that was, yeah, that was way, way, way up there. But I don't know. That's a tough moment. I love to snuggle with my cats on the couch.

See, those, in those moments. Going to the awards ceremonies, one with my, my son Gray and the other one with my son McLean and them squeezing my hand under the table because they were worried if I'd win or lose. And like, that was really special. I could see you get a little. Yeah. I love that.

And they, I'm sure, love you. They're great. Nico P. What's something stressful you had to deal with and how did you decomede? press afterwards. I hid in the bathroom at a thing where I had to do public speaking and I was just like, I'm just going to, and I did like a little, um, the mindful meditation like inventory thing. Where are your feet? Where are your knees? Where are your paws? Like, how do you feel? What can you hear? Are you hot? Are you cold? Do you think that helps? Me? It does because it's like it's fact versus

fiction. So it's like you're thinking all these things, you're stressed, your anxiety, whatever, riddled with anxiety and then all of a sudden you go okay there's the wall there's a picture there's the picture let's touch the picture you might still be nervous but this but where your brains where my brain's going in that moment is like and so then what and so you're right you might trip walking on the stage correct you might uh completely lose your mind and just start yelling f bombs and not thank anybody this is possible it's possible you might throw up this is possible um but then what and it's like but then everyone will hate me and i'll be a laughing stock and then i won't ever work again and then I'm going to live in a carburebite.

And it's just like goes and goes and goes and goes. And it's like, okay, none of these are facts. What are facts? My shoes hurt. What are facts? This bathroom smells weird. That's like, and all it does is it makes, it gets me out of fictional thinking. And it's like, what is actually real?

It's okay that my heart's racing because public speaking makes me nervous. But everyone's going to hate me and I'm going to be homeless on Monday. It's not really part of what's happening right now. That's so, you're so right. Taylor R, what are some of your hobbies Nobody knows about besides painting? Yeah, a lot of people know about the art. I love to follow instructions.

So Lego sets. You're good with that? Love. So is my girlfriend. I'm, I'm laughing. And don't give me a set that just like, build whatever you want. No, I want to follow this booklet. I'm not good with instructions, which is obvious.

I'll build IKEA furniture all day for the same freaking reason. Ryan's nodding this. You're like him. Yes. And also, like, embroidery cross-stitch because the grid's doing them. Yep, yep, yep. I paint, but I do paint by numbers to calm down.

It makes me feel kind of like I'm not doing enough in my life. I hope that my things that get rid of my anxiety bring you anxiety. How double dark dare you. Bob Kay, better call salt, loved you in it. Everybody loved you in it. Very dark at times. Was it all in the writing or did you get to play with the role of it? We did those scripts word for word to the letter.

Really? You couldn't mess anything up. No. Is that stressful? No. I think coming from theater, I find it bizarre to walk into a room and say, I just don't think I'd say it like that. It's a playwright. They'd be like, I don't give a shit. I'm pretty sure the play is not by you.

So learn the script. And then, yeah, I've done some shows where they're like, and we're going to improv. And that's awesome. Great. That's not where I'm going to start from. And if you really listen to that show closely, it isn't, there are very naturalistic and very realistic patches of dialogue and conversation, but there are times when it operates, it's operating outside of realism, I think sometimes, and there's waxing poetic and stuff.

And so there was a rhythm to what they wrote, and we learned it word for word. However, within that, there was infinite possibilities of where to put the pauses. There are not notes telling me like, they're kidding and flirting here. And then it descends into an argument. We would do eight pages a myriad different ways. And there was a ton of freedom in that. Do you learn lines pretty quickly? I'm middle.

I know people that struggle a lot more than me. And I know Bob's very fast. Bob looks at monologues and it's like one or two times. And he's very close. He's very close to verbatim. And then he'll just sharpen. If somebody gave you a monologue and said, we're doing this, could you do it? How long do I get to look at it?

An hour? I'd be good. Verbatim, like, don't even mess up like the, Claws, like putting the claws at the end of the beginning. I might mess that up. A full monologue? I'd get close, though. I need it.

I need a day. To let it sit with me. What about accents? I'm terrible. I need like a dialect coach and like a wild. Are you the worst? I'm pretty bad. What's the one you think you got?

I can do a couple of different Southern dialects pretty well. I just did one in 11 days. This film I shot with Peter Landisman that I'd love. So if I was just talking to you like this. That's one southern accent, yes. All right. How about? Give me one.

Well, I just played someone that, like, swallowed a lot of our consonants, that's a lot more than that. Do you know, that's pretty good. That's real good. But, you know, it's like, the more you real relax with it, like, I have like a knicker at here. But even if you, even if you just put anything in your lip, you can just start doing it. Sure. You know, it changes the whole way. Right.

But what we're doing is not the ones that have the big long drawl either. Oh, yeah. What are those? Hey, Mike. was that Chicago? No, like this girl next door is from the south and she used to go, she'd come outside and she'd go, hi, Mike. Mike, like Mike.

Hi, Mike. Yeah, and it would be like, y'all don't even know. It's like six syllables. Y'all don't even know. And I was like, what? That's awesome. What do you do for fun besides? all this stuff like, you know, like the hobbies.

Like, like I, I love, I love Disney World every once in a while. Do you? Yeah. I've never been in Disney World only Disney. Disney. Disneyland isn't it good. Disney World. Really?

I like it. Dude, all the countries and Epcot and there's so many, I haven't seen in our life. There's so many more things you should. You like to travel? I get so nervous about spending money, but I like it once I'm there. I'm still terrified that I'm be homeless by Monday. But I, I love bookstores. I like hiding in bookstores.

I like going to other cities and wandering around and finding bookstores and galleries. We got a reader over there. Is that Bill Shakespeare? I can't tell. Lastly, you know, before a better call, saw, you had a lot of great comedic roles. I mean, do you think of yourself as a comedian, comedian? Are you better at comedy than drama? Or do you love both?

I love both. In theater, it wasn't weird to, go back and forth. It wasn't to like cast in a sitcom and came out here and then couldn't get called in for dramas that I was like, I don't get it. And they were like, well, it's very weird. Like you can't. People usually can't do both.

That's changed a lot. Although for whatever reason, it doesn't always go both ways. Like you hear all the time that a lot of comedic actors can do drama because we're all broken souls. I believe there's truth to that. But for whatever reason, it doesn't go the other way. I have to say it's one of the strangest things to, besides tone, the disqualified tone, the discussion of tone and how important it is, but how do you define it? I think comic timing,

which you can teach, and a good friend of mine, David Connolly does teach it. And it's amazing to hear people break down, you know, a reversal, a lift and land rhythm to a joke. And you're like, oh, that's right. That is what makes that funny. But people who can't hear it that almost have like a tin ear for music, it's a which I've tried to coach a few people like that. And they'll be like, just give me the line reading. And I'm like, even that's really not going to work. if you can't hear it. Yeah. It's a weird thing.

It's a weird thing. It's also I've had moments where I'm improvising with another actor. And then the third actor tries to jump in just to feel included. Right. And it's just the whole shit house goes up in flames. And so finally, you know, the director thankfully goes in and it says, hey, when they're doing their little rip, just let them do their thing. Oh. You know.

And then he cries. Well, I mean, you know, it's one of those people you're going a certain direction to doing this. and they say something. They're like, er, the brakes. They're doing a whole no butt. Shit.

Why'd you do that? All right. This has been extraordinary. Honestly, you're a joy. You're the perfect guest because I love your stories. You don't,

you know, you don't need a lot of, you know, prodding or what's the word? Cokesing. What's it? Coaxing. Urging.

Urging. Any other adjectives? Sh shoving. Reader. This has been awesome. I hope you'll come back someday again. I'd love to.

I'm glad. Yeah, I just, this is, this is really great. Oh, great. Thanks for having me. It was fun. All right. Thanks for being here. Thank you.

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Very grounded. And award-winning. And award-winning. I'm award-winning. I want a Saturn award once. Yeah, where'd that go. I don't know where I put it. Somewhere. Clearly means a lot. Well, it does mean a lot, but I don't want to be one of those guys who has their awards around. Like, oh, there's his award. You know, it's kind of weird, isn't it? You could like, if I want an Oscar, I'd probably have it like.

You would. I mean, the Saturn Awards are fun. Like, that's like a good award. I mean, you know, Spielberg goes and a little bit big folks go. It's, I'm flattered. You know, at the time, I didn't really think it was a big deal at all. And then later I realized, oh, Saturn Awards are pretty cool. That's like, you know, it's a big community.

And it's a lot of shows. It's a lot of talented people. They chose me. So it's cool. It's cool to be recognized. But, um, so thank you 20 years later, Saturn Award. Sadden awards. They asked me to present this last time, but I couldn't.

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