Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Richard Marx

Episode Date: August 13, 2019

Richard Marx (Grammy Award Winner) shares some incredible industry stories from the birth of his career after being taken under the wing of Lionel Richie at 18 years old to his current close friendship with with the great Barbara Streisand. Richard opens up about the fearless mindset he’s adopted in his career and how he’s been able to develop a sense of gratitude for the situations in his life that many would dwell and stress over. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Which one is it? Because I've heard contentious. Tyler's here with me. Tyler's on the episode. Rosenbaum is what my dad would say is correct. Baum sounds cooler. Rosenbaum or Michael Rosenbaum. Right.

It doesn't. But this guest, he's been a friend of mine for a while. I'm excited to call him a friend. But he's a legend. He's got so many hits. He played a couple on the show. These were unedited. We didn't fuck with them at all.

He's that good. His tone is still perfect. He's tours everywhere. He's played with everyone. He's written songs for everybody. Richard Marks, if you don't know him. This is a great interview. He really talks about everything about it.

It's amazing how the mind works, Tyler. Right? You hear him talking about like, I knew I could do things. It's like, I don't know. It's the confidence he had, and he articulates it better. But it's just like how them, you know, if you're always fearing things, then you're going to fail. You're going to do these.

but if you just change the way you think. And he has like a thousand showbiz stories with like Lionel Richie and Barbara Streisand and all kinds of people. Yeah, and I could see it's funny because all he's playing, I looked over at you and you were like kind of like a kid too. You're like, you are a kid. Yeah. But you were kind of like, you were smiling, you were happy because it was so good.

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So let's get inside Richard Marks. point of you You're listening to inside of you With Michael Rosenbaum Inside of You Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum Was not recorded in front of a live studio audience Can you turn my headphones down a hair?

How about yours or yours loud? I'm good. You're good? I'm kind of going deaf, so. Are you? Well, you're a musician. Our old musicians go deaf? You know, there's no

free lunch when it comes to that. shit. I've got raging tinnitus. I called it tinnitus my whole life and I'm finally surrendering to the real Is it really tinnitus? It's tinnitus. Like, why can't they just say, no, we're going to call it tinnitus because it is a much more pleasing word for a horrible thing. It's a horrible thing

plus it's a fucking horrible word. You really have tinnitus? Do you really, though? Yeah, really bad. So explain your tinnitus. Nice tinnitus, by the way. Yeah, beautiful tinnitus. A nice set of tinnitus.

Tinnitus, for those who don't know what it is, and you're lucky if you don't know what it is. It's tinnitus. Exactly. For those of you who don't know what tinnitus is, it's tinnitus. Oh, right, tinnitus, the ringing in your ears. Why didn't you say so? Is it really bad ringing? It's really bad.

It's 24 hours a day. And it's, I mean, everybody, I think cases of it are different person to person. Mine are multiple really super high frequencies in both ears that, 24 hours a day, no matter what's going on, I hear, like really loud in both ears. How do you not go crazy? I don't, so far I've been really loud. I've had it for decades.

I'm aware of it. It has gotten worse in the last couple years. But if you really think about it, it can make you claustrophobic. And people have killed themselves already. That's what I was just going to say. I've heard that stuff. I just sort of go, okay, it is just, it's what it is. And now I'm really looking into some alternative therapies for it, just to see.

but it's not, it doesn't keep me up at night, you know, it's just always there. It's annoying. It's like, you know, pain. It would be lovely to not have it. Yes. It's like having like a pain or something that it's annoying. It's not killing you, but it's always there. It's like a toothache in a way, but not as bad. Right. I think I would actually prefer tinnitus to a toothache. Tinitus, tinnitus to a toothache. That should be something an actor says before they perform. It's a warm-up. It's a vocal warm-up.

Toothcake. I said toothache. I said toothache. But enough about my tenetus. Yes. It is drag, though. Richard Marks, thank you for allowing me to be inside of you. I'm sorry, it's taking me so long to let you inside of me. No, well, you know, that's a very good answer. But, you know, I had to pace you.

Yes, you did. A little bit at a time. I need a little pacing. How do we meet? Do you remember how we met? I do. I think we met on Twitter. We did.

Yeah. I tweeted something, and then you responded, and I couldn't believe Richard Marks was actually tweeting me. And it was something And then we started direct messaging And you said that your family Would all watch It was one thing that the family got together

And did was watch Smallville Yeah Which I thought was freaking awesome Yeah And I think it was one of my sons Who saw your tweet And said and told me Because I think he followed you on Twitter or something

And this was really early Twitter days for me Yeah I was a late Twitterer That's true because you didn't have any followers Because you just started like a day ago Yeah And now you've got tons of followers Well, no, I mean, but it was, I was late to that party on purpose.

I just, I thought it was bullshit. But I realized that the real value of it, aside from some other sort of, I find it creatively interesting over the years, but some of the interactions I've had with people have been really great, and you were probably one of the first people that I responded to you when, I think it was Lucas or Jesse, that told me about it. And we loved that show so much. And so you and the whole cast were a part of our every Sunday night. we would have pizza and watch smallville and it was like a ritual it was one of the few family

rituals that lasted for years because if you can find a show that everybody wants to watch and one of the things that we used to do it became this joke my kids would every once in a while there would be a shot of tom welling and my all my sons would look at me like is it this one is it this one and what they'd be looking at me for is the one time there was an episode and i went did you guys ever notice that there's always one moment in every single moment in every Smallville episode that if you could freeze from it

and caption it it would be world's most handsome man wasn't he gorgeous he was I mean as a straight man I don't know that

there's anybody in his prime on that show I don't think there's ever been a more handsome maybe Elvis in his prime

I mean he was gorgeous yeah and he yeah I remember him giving me mouth to mouth resuscitation you enjoyed it is it resuscitation

resuscitation it's tinnitus tinnitus see we're on the page we've we've been on the same page but i look i love hearing that story and and then you were so gracious because we just started talking i was like hey you want to come down to indiana where i grew up i'm making this low budget raunchy film call back and they go yeah sure yeah you want to come down and then i'll cut you out of it later oh i knew you know what's funny is you're still in the end credits

oh i am yeah because it was a small cool little part and then we just look we should have cut out other stuff we should have kept you in there no it wasn't for it wasn't for performance It just didn't make sense. We were trying to... But then you, like, gave me a song. Oh, right. That's right. I did.

You gave endless summer nights. I did, and I did, in fact. I mean, I'm forever grateful because you made my dream come true of, A, making a movie, A, B, having Richard Mark's song in there, which fit perfectly. And it didn't cost you anything. And it didn't cost me. Because that song probably would have cost me, I'm guessing upwards of $20,000, $50,000, $50,000, $50,000. What's the most you've ever gotten for one song in a month? movie. A tremendous amount. I wouldn't tell you what it is. Would you say 500,000?

Yeah. When your agent called you and said, you're making 500,000 or more. It was for a feature film, though. What film? I'm not going to tell you, because the movie tanked, but the song... I like the movie tank. It wasn't that one? No, I wouldn't tell you, but it was in the 90s, and we just negotiated this crazy, it's called the synchronization fee. And the song, and it was really, I agreed to it, A, because the money was really great, but also because I thought, oh, this is going to be a really nice little promo. This will help support the song. Yeah. The movie came out and just died in one weekend, and the song still went into the top

10, you know, a couple months later. So it did great for you. It was a win-win for me on every, on every level. What song was it? You lied to say that? Yeah, now and forever. Now and forever. but that world of sync you know people using your songs in movies and stuff has become really

even more valuable than ever because you know we don't really get paid too much for our songs on the radio anymore no in fact if you don't tour if you don't do you got a tour but i don't like the spotify thing because i don't understand it's like why not just sell your songs if people want to get your songs why not put them on itunes why would the eagles or richard marks or anybody put them on spotify because i know look cumulatively you know in a year you go, hey, I got paid X amount of dollars. That wasn't too? But it's minimal, it's really, really minimal.

It's no comparison. Do you, yeah? It's, look, I don't want you, I think everybody that would be listening to this would be bored out of their fucking minds. No way. But we'll be quick about it. The streaming services, Spotify, Pandora, even YouTube, they're trying to pay songwriters, like, it's 0.00000. Yeah. Even though they're making billions of dollars using our music.

the only company that sort of got it and came to the party is Apple music so it's still streaming because I don't know if you heard that like iTunes is going away you can't just go and download a song anymore on iTunes I think you can I think that's not going away for a while I just read that thing but there's some discrepancy where I think I you know you can still do it but it's a totally separate world is a separate world but you can still do it but isn't that the idea of like hey you might get 60 cents per dollar on iTunes isn't that the way to go like sure but why did you sign on for Spotify was it not your choice voice? Yeah, ultimately I could take a stand and say I'm not putting it on there, but that's just

whatever the little income of that is is taken away as well, because it's really, it kind of feels like you can't beat him, join them, you know what I mean? So what a lot of us do is we allow our music to be streamed on on those streaming services, but we also bitch and moan about it and petition Congress to change the laws. And, you know, while we're waiting, we're still getting paid like a you know a meager amount right i don't know i think it's all going to shift in the next couple of years but circling back to touring if i didn't have a catalog of songs to tour on i'd be fucked i would be like looking for you have a catalog i do by the way i didn't realize you sang this song or wrote this song you didn't sing on it what about me you know that song dude what

about me if time after time i feel i'm losing my mind or maybe that was one of the Kenny Rogers Kim Carnes James Ingram Rest in peace Who else is that Was the three? Oh dude

I play that song All the time I was like Richard wrote that Yeah me and David Foster And Kenny Rogers So here Nobody knows the backstory

On that song Because you're the only person that knows that song Actually it was number one On the one of the charts R&B charts or something It was Yeah it was an R&B hip

I think it was like Adult Contemporary or something And it was a top 20 single in the Hot 100. Anyway, it was a hit. By the way, am I allowed to play a snid bit of it or I'll get in trouble? No, go.

But go ahead, keep talking. The original version of this was written by myself, David, and Kenny to be a trio between Kenny Rogers, Lionel Richie, and Barbara Streisand. And in the 11th hour, Lionel bailed out for whatever reason,

Barbara was still in, but then she wanted all these rewrites on the song, and so finally came, went, fuck it. And so then it became Kenny Rogers, Olivia Newton-John, and Jeffrey Osborne. And that was recorded, and it was really, really good. So, wow, so those people like lost out on a great song. Well, no, they recorded it and then... Well, Jeffrey Osborne recorded it then. He did with Olivia Newton-John and Kenny, and then there was some art I won't say, who threatened to sue Olivia because he had a duet coming out with her and so she had to pull out of the recording

and then something happened with Jeffrey Oswald and then it ended up being Kim Carnes and James Ingram which was a great recording. Were you in the studio or did you just... No, I was in the studio for all of it. Were you given notes to all these other great musicians? I was 19. You were 19 when you were, what about me?

Yeah. That album was the first time I had anybody recorded my songs. I had three songs on that. Crazy. Rogers. I was on the same album. So it was what about me was the first single and then Crazy was the second single. So I had those two songs and I had another song on that Kenny Rogers album. So my rent was paid for easily five years just from that album because Kenny was still a badass and selling a million or two records. So it was like financial life changed in 1983. I can't imagine 19 years old. First of all, having the ability to write a song

that an older person would go, this is mature, this is a mature song, and we're going to use this on a... To me, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Like, if I wrote something like, oh, yeah, the poop song, Rosenbaum. I don't think we're going to use that. Right.

So, I mean, how do you... I mean, you were way ahead of your time. I don't know that I would... I guess so, yeah. I was very mature from my age. So I didn't... I wasn't a goofball. I was a pro.

I knew how to behave in a studio. Because your dad taught you. My dad taught me. Because your dad would write jingles. Yeah. And because you grew up in Illinois. Yeah. Where in Illinois?

Outside of Chicago. And so he wrote jingles for like Nestle. Oh, God. Hundreds. And you sang on these. Ask any mermaid you happen to see. What's the best tuna? Chicken of the sea.

Come on. Yeah. Two scoops. Raisins in a package of Kellogg's Raisin Brand. He wrote hundreds of them. He wrote hundreds of them. Calhs Raisin Brand. Super catchy.

And he produced them and arranged. them. And then luckily for me, I, you know, I would be walking around my house at five singing monkeys songs or Elvis songs, and they noticed that I was singing in tune. And little by little, my dad would get, you know, the advertising people would say, we've got a, we've got a commercial for Nestle's crunch bars, but we want kids to sing this jingle. So my dad was like, I'm going to put Richard on this. And so I grew up in the studio. I grew up singing jingles. I envy you because you just seem fearless and you just seem like even when you came in here I go hey if you want to play a song you know we could edit we could go I don't need editing

like what and you're and it's you weren't saying cocky but you're like I you know you're so comfortable you should be after all these you would think yeah but like even me with acting I still get nervous I still freak out I still do these things there are certain circumstances where I get nervous when I'm going to play on TV when I'm going to play live on television there's a little bit of a little nervousness. Sometimes I just can't wait to play. Like, I feel like I'm going to fucking crush this. So you get excited.

I get really excited. You get pumped up like a good energy. Oh, yeah. But there's still times when I'm about to go out and I think, oh, and I'll register, oh, yeah, it's going to be like maybe 7 million people or 12 million people, whatever, and I'll go, fuck, okay, I better not fuck this up. But it's very momentary, and I don't ever let it mess with me, really. How? What do you do? Is it meditation? Is it just an innate gift? It's experience. It's a form of meditation and the experiences that there were times I learned really early on. Maybe you've experienced this too. It's really a common thing if you're smart about it. Self-defeating thinking almost always works. If you think you're going to fuck up, you're going to fuck up. If you think something is not going to happen.

it's not going to happen you're i've especially in the last five years i have really learned that what you think is everything it really is yeah so there were times in my early part of my career where i did some tv stuff and had some bad experiences i mean nothing that was like a train wreck or embarrassing that anybody else could notice but i would hear a note i sang out of tune or something and then i would think about that note every time i sang that song And I would think, don't fuck up that note. Don't fuck up that note. I would fuck up that note.

Until I kind of went, I'm not going to fuck up that note. And then I was fine. Now it's really just a power of, I don't fear failure because I think, I think in terms of success and not failure. So I don't ever, and I was totally kidding you about the editing thing. Of course. But the truth is, if somebody hands me a guitar, even in the worst of circumstances, my go-to thought is, oh this is going to be horrible my go-to thought is oh i'm going to fucking rock this it'll be great to me if i could learn that i'd be unstoppable if i could switch why haven't you learned that

do you think i don't know i think it's probably you know i i deal with this all the time and i think i'm going to beat it i think i'm going to get there because i'm really working on myself now like i'm really going after it like hey what's holding you back you've already shown that you can do a lot of things you've had an incredible career so why not why are you scared why do you have fear why does it why does failure scare you so much is that the fear is that the main I think it's like you know I I strive so hard to be perfect which is an impossibility there's no such there's no such thing like I talked about this before so you know just go have a snack if you want to not want to hear it again but like you know when I go up I was

in stand-up ball last year and I was going up with Joe Rogan and David Spade and Judd Apatow and Nick Swartson and I was going up and you know I was right in the middle and I thought instead of thinking these guys have been doing it their whole lives they've mastered it they're not they're fearless they i thought in my feeble fucking mind that i have to be great i have to prove to them that i belong there when the reality is you just started you're going to be funny but you're probably not going to be as funny but be as you can be i know the the psych the psychology of it all like i should go up there and go dude you're funny you're funny you're your jokes are new, you're going to grow, you're going to get better, but I put so much pressure

on myself that I'd wake up nervous the whole day, fight or flight, until that night, and then I'd go on and actually things would go well, and then I'd feel great, and then I'd recycle the whole thing instead of my mind going, why are you doing this again when you know you'd just succeeded? Right. So there's some psychology there that I've got to break out of, and I'm working on it. Well, I could understand it more if you'd had multiple experiences where you were nervous and freaking out and then it didn't go well.

and then you're like fuck i knew it was going to be this way and then that's a mindset you have to break out of but if you had great experience great that's even more like why are you it's almost like you're kind of willing it to go wrong rather than be like it's fine just to keep doing what you're doing and keep growing and keep getting better and the other thing is we we waste so much time we should be enjoying what we're doing by worrying about it that's right in terms of live performance, I look at every single show I do as a gift. And I'm going to love the shit out of every minute of it. And it has shifted the energy in the room. I mean, I never have, I have no complaints. I always had a great time touring. I've always had great audiences. I have

all those wonderful experiences. But I've sensed a shift in the, in the connection I've made with every audience now. I mean, once in a while there'll be a night while it'll just not be quite as killer, but for whatever reason. But 99% of the time I walk off stage and I just can't believe how effortlessly fun it was to really connect, not just musically,

because really my show is really about what happens in between the songs. I don't worry about the music anymore. Your stories. It's the stories. Connection, yeah, yeah. And I've been there. And I love it, and you're right.

When you, when you speak about these stories, you know, usually when you hear other musicians or an actor get up there and go, oh, so before I, you know, like, just play the fucking song. Right, exactly. But your stories are all interconnected with the music that makes it part of the experience. That's part of it. There's also just, none of them are serious stories. They're self-deprecating. And I, I work, you know, you were talking about doing stand-up. I mean, it's a similar mechanism in that I've had these things happen to me in these stories that are funny.

They're just funny. It's just funny shit. And then I've worked on that. the stories to tell them as if I'm doing stand-up almost so that when I hit that line to me I gauge the success of a show every night by the laughs more than the applause from the songs really yeah absolutely like you're almost like you want your performance like as almost like an actor or a comedian absolutely you want to be funny you want to be they like you on top of the music you want to be liked first absolutely I had it's funny I had this conversation recently

with Gilbert Godfrey of all people he had interview me and he had done some homework on watching, which I thought was really cool, he and his producer watched clips of me live. He said, I didn't know that you were funny. On stage, like, some of these things that you're, like, it's like, it's truly like comedy. Yeah. In between the songs, like, it's a stand-up show.

And when I said, yeah, and I pay much more attention to that, he was really shocked, but I bet, of course, he gets it and you get it too. It's like, people come to hear X number of songs that I've done. I might throw in a couple other songs that they don't know, and when those go over really, really well, sometimes you get a standing ovation, sometimes you get this really prolonged ovation. That is so sexy, right?

Look, it'd be fun to play a little bit of something. You don't have to play a whole song, but like a little bit of this, and then maybe something at the end? Just a little bit. What do you want to play? I'll play whatever you want. A little endless summer nights,

the song from your... Oh, yes. Can I intro it like a DJ? Right now off the coast, 96 W-S-T-O. we've got Richard and Mark you see hang on Richard so you you start strumming a little so they could hear the beginning while I'm okay yeah yeah

you know what I mean but yeah so it's yeah you gotta time it just so though right right right right 94.7 WKDQ off the coast Richard Marks now with us an oldie but a goody endless summer nights from the movie back in the day that didn't make a red scent Summer came and left without a warning

all in once I looked in you we're gone now you're looking back in me search it far away than we can be like we were before now I'm back to what I knew before you so how the city doesn't look the same

give my life for one more night Haven't you here to hold me tired, please, take me there again? Whoa, and I remember how you loved me. Time was all we had until the day we said goodbye. And I remember every moment. Those endless summer nights There's only so much I can say So please don't run away

From what we have together It's only you and me tonight So let's stay lost in flight Should please surrender Yeah Yeah Yeah And I

Remember how you loved me Time was all we had Until the day we said goodbye And I remember Every moment Losing less on a night Yeah those endless

summer night yeah yeah yeah yeah 94.7 Richard Marks off the coast

wow if you hadn't heard that song you're probably going to have that on your playlist first of all fuck you

fuck you for a Thank you very much. I mean, just perfect pitch, perfect tone. Like, you really don't need editing. Dude, come on. I'm 55. I've been doing this for 32 years.

Yeah, but how do you sound just like you did? I think, you know what it is? My honest answer is it's a muscle. And if you, it's the use it or lose it. And a lot of people, when they don't tour that much or they don't sing that much, you know, it's just going to go to shit. I do, you know, 80, 90 shows a year. I'm always singing.

I'm always... Do you play this? song just by yourself? Yeah, like most of the shows I do are just solo acoustic shows. I mean, now it's a little bit more band shows. No, no, I meant, do you know them so well that you don't even go out and do them until you get on

stage, or do you actually go, I'm going to go through this. Oh, no, no, no, no. Never anymore. Only if I'm going to do a song that's newer. Right. Or an old song that I haven't played in years. Right. But no, I don't, like, if I'm off for two weeks, I don't need to, like, I don't even sound check. My guy always knows the levels. He knows what you want. I just, I get there, I have a little sip of a martini, and I walk on stage and have a blast.

A little sip of martini. Is it a half of martini? It's about a half of martini. And then I probably will drink a half a martini on stage. And then 11 martinis after the show. And 11 martinis after. Now, you never had a problem with any drugs or any, you know. You never did any of that stuff.

No, I'm working on it. I'm working on it now. My liver had it way too good for too long. How many people know the Lionel Richie story? I think a lot of it. Is that like, you know, that Lionel Richie, like you had a tape. And somehow you got it to Lionel Richie and Ronald Ritchie called you and you didn't think it was Lionel Richie. And he said, come out.

Yeah. You were how old? 18. 18. I was just graduated from high school. My phone rings. I had written four songs total that I had demoed because my dad's studio and I had to pay for it. I had to pay for it.

My dad was like, you can use my studio, but you got to pay for it. It's like, you're my fucking dad, man. And it was just you in a guitar. no it was i hired studio musicians that were the guys that played on the jingles so i had this demo tape of four songs any of the songs i would know or just like there's songs that never went anywhere right um but they were my first four songs that i felt were at least worth trying to record right and this was 81 i guess lionel ritchie was leaving just leaving the commodores to do his first solo record the big well i mean he had several but running with the night was on the cell no that was

can't slow down that was a second album the first one The first album was You Are, Truly, My Love, just thinking about you, baby. It just blows my mind. Love that jam. A friend of mine from high school, who was a year older than me, had graduated and was going to college at Duke. His roommate knew a guy who knew a guy who knew the Commodores, somebody in the Commodores organization. This is like six people removed. my friend says hey I played your tape for my roommate and he's going to send it to his friend who knows a guy who knows it right and you're thinking not a chance i used to say that all the time for decades when i would tell the story i would go i just i knew that there was like no chance and then when lionel ritchie did call me because my phone number was written on the back of the cassette four weeks five weeks maybe even longer later like a lot of time went by and the phone rings and this lionel ritchie saying i heard this tape and he was very encouraging and awesome guys

When I told that story for probably 20-something years, I would say, I couldn't believe it. That's a lie. I knew he was going to call me. I believed that this was going to change everything for me. I wasn't cocky about it in my head. I didn't even really admit it to myself. You just really believed that you had this talent. But if I, it wasn't even about my talent.

It was, this is going to sound so touchy, feely, hippie shit. But it comes back to what you think. And what I've learned in the last, you know, especially the last. five years in doing a lot of work on my own brain, I didn't feel comfortable admitting things like that to myself when I was young because I thought I was going to jinx it. You know, I would think to myself, I can't think I'm going to win the Grammy for Song of the Year because then I won't. Like the punishment or something. But the truth was, even though I kind of had that fear, I still believed it. And almost every single thing that I would think that's going to happen,

that fucking happened because I believed it would happen. SEL STEAM prophecy shit. Totally. That's a great book. Totally. And it's the power of thought. It's the power of like the energy that you create.

I remember I feel like I had that, but I had it at a young age and I want to get that back. But I had that thing where I was like, there's this guy, his name, it was Leo Bermister. He was in like a bunch of movies and he was kind of a mentor,

but he came to Western Kentucky University to talk to the class, theater department. And I saw that he was in, oh my God, he was in the abyss. this and he was this and I'm like I go he's going to come here and he's going to see my ability and he's going to tell me to come to New York I swear to God I remember thinking this and only

seniors were allowed to do a monologue in front of Leo and you were well no I wasn't a senior so I went in there I go hey look man I pay money or my grandma paid money to go to the school to help me and it wasn't a lot I barely got in it was a small Western Kentucky University I love the school it really helped me out but they I said I want to do monologue please let me do a I got to do monolog like okay you can be the last one and five seniors got to do their monologues and he kind of gave notes to a couple of them in and then after and then I was last and he came up to me and then he goes do it this way and I did it again do it this way did it again now the class is starting to stirring going what the hell's going on do it this way at the end I was crying doing the monologue

it completely wasn't comedic anymore it was like dramatic and he looked at me quietly and goes you have it you have got what it takes it's all right here in your heart and never forget that but you have what it takes and then i remember my professor dr combs he called me in his office he says i don't even know why i know you're talented but leo said that he's the one he's the one that's going to go somewhere he and he did and sure enough leo called me and said hey if you want to come to new york i'll introduce you to my agent and all these things that i imagined in my head were happening and so somehow along this journey i'm 46 now i'm like how do i get that feeling back I'm sure there was a song called

Trying to, wait, who was that? Trying to get the feeling again. Barron Aniloh, was it? Trying to get the feeling again. And, you know, it's that. But do you still feel that? Do you still have that like, hey, this is going to happen? This is going to work out.

Do you still feel as? Yeah, I mean, the only thing I would say is maybe a little different is that I feel I'm much more balanced with it because I have been so fortunate, so many times in so many different ways. Yeah. that I now, how do I explain it? It's not that I don't see things or experience things

or think about things that I would really love to have happen and kind of try to manifest them and just focus on them and think positively about them. But there's nothing that's that crucial anymore. What do you mean crucial? I mean... Like you're at the high... I mean, you've had so much success that do you want to get any bigger

than you are or the success? No, no, what I could easily do. Like, there's some friends of mine who had... great success, if not even bigger success than I did at the same time, who cannot accept that we're not on the radio anymore or that we're not going to have hits anymore. I can easily accept it. I feel like that's the way the business works. Pop radio is for young people. Pop radio shouldn't play a 55-year-old man, even though I'm making music right now that I feel like is some of the best things I've ever done and like totally if it wasn't me if it wasn't Richard marks and we just put it out

under a fake name and I had a picture of some good looking young kid it would probably do really well but I don't begrudge that because I had so much reward in my life and in my career that it tempers my willingness to be so I want more I want this I want that so really where it really matters to me is more personal stuff, somebody's close to me is dealing with health issues, you know. I have to really be focused on being positive about it and thinking about them being better. Because if I get hung up on worrying and thinking, what if they don't make it, or what if it gets worse or whatever, so that's how that has, I could give a fuck about songs or career achievements at this point when it comes to thinking, you know, because I've been so lucky. Everything is an extra little gift, you know. I'm going to

open for Barbara Streisand on July 7th at Hyde Park. And that's a huge thing, you know, I mean, that's going to be a really, really special thing for me, you know, this Friday night, I'm playing with the Nashville Symphony. I'm playing my songs I made up with one of the greatest symphonies in the world behind me. I mean, I've done symphony shows before, but the Nashville Symphony is just fucking world class. All these things that experiences that still show up in my life are just these great gifts. So I really feel like when it comes to the thing that we're really focusing on, which is the way we think and what we want to draw into our lives,

it's all fine. Like, I'm not hung up about it anymore. I don't really work too hard on what I'm thinking or how I'm thinking. Only when it comes to personal stuff. Because it's also exhausting. It's exhausting to you just mentally wear yourself out, wanting, wanting so much when it's just like, hey, if you got the ability, you've got to take a step back.

It's not like take a step back and not trying, but it's more like you're A, being too hard on yourself, you're probably putting too much energy into something that you shouldn't, which is the thing I have. But, yeah.

It's like I remember, I haven't thought about this analogy, but there was this woman that I knew many years ago. So she was in her 20s, beautiful girl. And she was in L.A. trying to make it as an actress. She had a period of like a year where she got a part.

and she got a part in that and then she was in this little movie and she was really cute and and kind of she was pretty she was okay but she was just typical there was nothing special about her you know right and then she had this couple of little opportunities and then i think people in the industry were kind of like yeah no she's fine but there's nothing unique about her and then it kind of went away and years go by 10 years 11 years and every time i would run into her she would go i really feel like this is going to be my year i really feel like this is going to be my year and i felt so bad for her because and I have no I would be arrogant for me to say that I knew knew but I thought you don't really believe it you can't really believe it it'd be like me saying I'm gonna play for the Lakers next year okay really you know what I mean like some you have to be somewhat realistic about the way you're thinking yeah I agree with that and sometimes I you know I have friends that um you know are still like you know I still want to be an actor I still want to do this I'm like you know I try to sway them in a way like you don't want to get in front of someone's dreams right like but you also as a friend have to say listen you've been

busting your ass yeah and nobody's worked as hard as you but you know there comes a time when you're like hey like you're also really good at this right and you're great at that it means so much to people and this why don't you put all your energy in that and then you won't be so dissatisfied with or or discouraged or you know or maybe maybe more importantly what I try to say to people because even that a little bit is is dissuading I'll say why don't you try to focus more on just being open to anything rather than say fuck that pursue that because then that if that is a dead end then it's all eggs in that basket yeah but you said you're going to open for barbara strison and i thought god wouldn't it be cool if like

richard could sing like talk to her and go hey can i play a song that you're not singing a barbara song my own way for for barbara as an opener would you ever consider that like what what song would it be would be coming in and out of your life no it wouldn't be that one let me think of another one wouldn't be um the main event no it's not it's not the main event it's come on it's got it's got to be something like what would it be she did this song that was kind of a hit in the 70s so this is actually really great story about barbara strison because I've known her for 30 years now And we're neighbors, so we actually hang out. And we've kind of gotten to the point where only every once in a while will I be talking to her or she'll be saying something.

I'll go, fuck, it's Barbara's right. Because it's just Barbara, you know. We went to yum yum donuts together. You know what I mean? It's like she's an amazing person, first of all. Her reputation and the stuff that people that say the shit about her, they don't know her. You know, she's a really kind, funny, cool, smart woman. So when I first got to know her

Really early on I had to confess to her And I can't believe I did this I said by the way I got to tell you You did an album called Superman I was 13 And my dad bought the album

My dad would buy it Was that her in a little pair of skitties? With the long legs Yeah And she was wearing a Superman White T-shirt and white short shorts I have it in there And I said to her

I said to her face I said first of all And I mentioned songs on the album and I thought we're so great. And I said, but that album cover, and especially the back cover, helped me through puberty. And she looked to me and she went, really? It went, absolutely.

And then, so from that point on, it's become a running joke where I'll say, like we email each other a lot sometimes and I'll be, I'll say, oh, I saw so-and-so, or I did an interview and I talked about you today. And she goes, did you tell them the dirty things you did with my album cover? Oh, my God. It's so funny that we have this cool is that. How cool is that? But there's a song on that album.

It's amazing. Yeah, it was a hit. It was called My Heart Belongs to Me. Oh, my God. I couldn't even imagine singing that song. That's a hard song to sing. But now my love, hey, didn't I love you? My love.

Oh, yeah. Dude, that's a hard song to sing. Yeah, it's a really good song. Could you sing that? Yeah, I would work it out. You'd work it out to your, you know. Yeah. But I don't remember at all.

I would figure out the chords. But yeah. It's amazing I remember any of those songs because of the album cover. You'd think it would just sort of I had crushes that were not typical when I was a teenager. I mean, of course I was hot for Thera Fawcett and, you know, Cheryl Teagues

but I was, like, for those few years when Barber did that. Meg Ryan, oh, Meg Ryan, and Cole Kidman back in the day. And Carly Simon, I thought was really sexy. That song was written about Warren Beatty, right? I think she said it was. What song was it?

You're so vain. You're so vain. We all thought it was about Mick, because Mick's on it. Right. But she finally said she wrote it about Warren Beatty. What's your favorite Carly Simon song? Mine's the sad alone.

You belong to me. Oh, yeah, that's a great song. That was redone by, remade by someone amazing. Well, she wrote it with Michael McDonald. And there's a dooby brother's. The Doobie version of that is really good. Tell her. He kind of talks the way he's saying.

And we want to marry. Oh, my own. Do you want to hear something? Yes. You know who wrote that song? Wasn't how it was. No, on my own. It was Patty Austin?

Patty LaBelle. Patty LaBelle and Michael McDonough. Who wrote it? Who wrote it? Burt backwreck. Do you know who I've been writing songs with? Burt back rack. You wrote songs for everybody.

I mean, you wrote songs for Chicago, didn't you? Yeah. And the Lionel Ritchie story, which we didn't finish, but the Lino Ritchie story, what I love hearing is that you were kind of sitting in the studio and these other performers were singing and they couldn't get with Lino Ritchie's, and they couldn't get what Lionel wanted is that right yeah and then Lionel was like and what song was that you are the sun you are the rain that makes my life this foolish and so you go didn't you say I can do that no you didn't say that because that would have been an ego thing yeah you were waiting though for him to

say can you do it I was not expecting in fact he had told me he invited me over to the studio because he really encouraged me to move to L.A and I was I was like three months away from graduating from high school and he actually said to me because dude if I were you hearing these songs and hearing your voice take your shot this is a young man's business you can always go back to college because I was going to go to Northwestern and I was like fuck Northwestern

I'm going to Hollywood and my parents not shockingly went you absolutely need to go to L.A. and try it there because you can you know I mean if Lino Richie's calling your son right but here's the important thing he was not saying to me I have a job for you

he was saying he even said to me I don't have anything for you I can't help you personally like I'm covered with everything I'm doing but you need to be in LA if it's going to happen for you you got to be where it's at it's not going to happen for you there so he just encouraged me to move out right so I took that advice I come out to LA with no job with nothing and I'm just like I'm going to start from scratch I don't know really what I'm going to do but he said when you come to LA you know hit me up it just let me know that you're around you had it you gave you cell phone but you still have different number it's definitely

changed since 19 Right. So I called him and he said, hey, I'm at A&M, which is now Hanson Studios on La Brea. He said, come down tomorrow afternoon, you know. And so I get there and he just happens to be doing background vocals on that song. You are. I was with my dad. My dad kind of helped me get set up in my apartment and he was about to go home the next day. So my dad and I are just sitting on the couch in the control room. And I'm watching, and I overhear that they've been working on the background vocals on this song for three days in a row for it to have been three hours

would have been ridiculous but three days they couldn't find the blend they wanted Lionel wasn't happy with they were keep trying they were switching parts and I could see he was really frustrated he was out there singing

with this group of two other people and all of a sudden he looks at me through the glass you can really hear me on this song actually where should I forward to it? Go to the very end because then you can really hear me

check it out right here that's me right there that's you totally mean I want to hear that again hold on you can totally hear me oh my gosh so he points to me he looks at me for a second

and I can see him looking at me and he points to me through the glass and he goes come here and I turned around like he was I thought he was pointing to somebody else I said, no, Richard, come out here. So I go out into the studio, and he goes, have you, like, been listening to what we're doing?

I said, yeah. And he said, okay, I want you to try sing in my part. And Deborah, you sing this. He switched parts, and he left the group and had me sing his part, and he switched the other parts. He goes in the control room. We put the headphones on. They hit play.

We hit that chorus. We sing it together. And he hits the talkback. And he goes, that's the sound I wanted. You did one take? One take. and then we finished the record but the first time we sang it

he hit the talk back and I'll never forget he went that's the sound I wanted and I remember in retrospect it's like my life changed when he hit the talk back and said that if I hadn't had that if that had not transpired probably he would have hugged me and said

you know good luck it was so nice to finally meet you you know come around sometime whatever instead I was now the background the new background singer on that record and I And the other incredible thing he did for me, I sang on like four songs on that record.

But he said to me, just so you know, whether you're in here singing or not, you're welcome to be here. And I said, really? And he went, yeah. And I said, no, I mean, really? Because I'll fucking be here every day. And he goes, you're welcome to be.

So every day, I went to the studio. When he was in the studio, I was at the studio, and I just watched. I watched them make that record. And you learn more. It was like going to record-producing school, like the Primo College. I watched him interact with musicians. I saw Joe Walsh come in and play a guitar solo who would four years later play a guitar solo on my record that changed my career.

I met different people through that experience. Kenny Rogers was through that, wasn't that? Yeah, that was like a year later that Lionel recommended me to Kenny Rogers as a background singer. And then I ended up getting songs cut by him. But I met Greg Phyllum Gaines, the keyboard player, still a great friend of mine to this day. And these guys that I had worshipped from reading their names on the back of album credits, they were all in the room with Lionel. And it was just, it was unbelievable. Well, luck is a commodity of preparation and opportunity. Right, when preparation and

opportunity collide. Because you had the ability. You had the talent. You were prepared. Right. I could have shipped the bed and that would have been that. You can't just be like, I'm at Lionel Richie, and here I am and have no ability to back it up. Right. You backed it up. Well, he gave me the opportunity, and I was able to do, and it just, it just happened that that was what he was looking for. It was also, I think, all humility aside, it was that I was a really versatile singer as a session singer. I could sing really high, powerful high, and I could sing really even higher than that, like BG's falsetto high, so I could sound like a girl. Can you still do that? Oh, yeah.

You could still go high. So high. How? Yeah, like, it's easy. What about lows? I mean, my voice has dropped a bit. So, I mean, but those, if you listen to my first album, If you listen to my first album, I sound like a girl.

Like I hadn't toured. I didn't have that road weariness in my life. What's your favorite song you've ever written? Hazard. No. You like how I answered it? Hazard, right? I would say another one you'd be, no, that's incorrect.

I do love Hazard. Your favorite song you've ever written. I don't have one. What's the one you love playing the most? It's a good question. I think Angel E is way up there. Oh, yeah. It's one of my favorites.

That's such a great song. Yeah, I love that song. And you know, what's funny is I forgot about that song until I went to see your concert. And I go, oh, my God, that's him. Yeah. You know, you get a lot of that. Yeah. Wait, you sing that?

Right. Yeah, totally. Should have known better. Yeah. Do you like playing that one? Yeah, I love that one. I love all of them. There's none of them that I don't like to play.

But I, and I think it's because I like them all so much still. And I'm so grateful for them. that's the real thing is that I to be able to look down at a set list of 17 songs and have 16 of them be top 20 hits like fuck I'm so grateful for that yeah have you ever played a medley of your songs could you do like a like a five song just a little bit of something and a little bit of that a little bit of this uh I have I you don't like medleys I don't like medleys I don't like prince ones did a medley I don't and I was like what the fuck I want to hear that whole song yeah I don't I generally don't do that it's kind of weird isn't it

No, I mean, it's fine if, you know, but there's certain people that do that. And I, and when they do it, I'm like, you know, just play the song. Now, you went through a lot of shit because you were, you were married for 25 years. Yeah. And you probably don't talk about this a lot. No. Never. No.

But you're married for 25 years. And I know when that ended, it probably was one of the lowest points in your life. Oh, yeah. It was horrible. I mean, how do you, how do you come back from that and what gets you through something like that? I guess the first thing would be knowing internally that it was the right thing to do. Like if every, I think everybody, especially if you've been in a long relationship and that relationship ends, whether you ended it or they or the other person ended it, there's a period

of freak out like this is a mistake because you're so used to being in that relationship that it clouds whether or not that was really a relationship that should have continued. And it took me a little, not too long, luckily. I dealt with every range of emotion until I really started to go, no, this is the right thing. And it had nothing to do with my love for her or, in fact, I look at my, you just said, I was married for 25 years. I was with her for 29 years. It was a really, really successful relationship.

Yeah. One of the most successful relationships I've ever heard of. Three amazing kids, who I'm ridiculously close to. They all live here. You know them all. So I've become somewhat matter of fact about the fact that when we met, we had kids. We had tremendous highs in that relationship, some really wonderful time together. I have the utmost respect for her, and I wish her nothing but happiness.

So there's not, it's not an ugly. It, you know, it certainly wasn't always that way. The first year or two was like it was really rough. But I learned really quickly that I was making a decision that I really believe was the right decision for us to not be together anymore. And so... How hard are you on yourself when it comes to those things? Better now, but back then I was really bad, really brutal and mean to myself. Yeah, I remember just like, you know, hanging out with you at the time.

And I could just tell you, like, you're one of those. guys you don't want to hurt someone you don't want you know you always you know you're people pleaser but not only that but you like when you really love someone deeply it's like you know i could tell that you know you were you know you were obviously going through oh yeah it was a very painful time yeah and um are you able to talk now is it amicable at all amicable i mean we don't really we don't tell you go hey let's go hang now no right right right i would love to see that happen but it's all very amicable and we share great relationships with our sons

you know and I actually check in on her through them more than anything else sure so there's no you know there's definitely at least on my side there's nothing about like you know don't talk about your mother or like I'm always going so what's up with your mom like is she doing or did she what's up with her yeah I don't deal with that I deal with both of them constantly talking negative about each other all terrible things about each other yeah my dad like oh this and then my

mother going oh you're fucking father and that's like it's that's how it's always been it's horrible it's horrible did they do that to your brother too yeah and i just say hey stop yeah i don't want to hear about that you want to talk to me about my life that's great but don't talk about anybody else what feels really really great to me my sons have never heard a crossword about their mother from me and i absolutely believe that yeah so that's important and i think that because of course even though my marriage to their mother ended my relationship with them is absolutely forever like why would i want to be the guy that First of all, I have nothing to bad mouth her about.

But even if there are things that have transpired or whatever, when people get divorced and shit happens, it would be so easy to say to one of my kids, you know, you're, oh, you're my, that's just anathomit of me. It's like, that's the shittiest thing you can do. And if I did, I would hope that they would turn to me and go, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck out.

I remember also, I like to go on different tangents, but like the line of Ritchie concert we went to together was awesome. Oh, yeah, that's right. You were like, oh, I just took down that one. I go, really, but what other one did you say? Running with the night? He's such a nice guy. And then you met him because you sent me a picture of you guys together.

And he was like, oh, man, of course. I mean, what an amazing story. How many people like you think somebody would say, hey, come in the studio. Like, that shit doesn't happen. It doesn't, first of all, it doesn't happen. Like, yeah, fly out to L.A., look me up, call me. Come in the studio. Yeah, sing on this.

It's such a random thing that you don't hear those kind of stories. They're not a lot of those stories. And then it turns out to be you become one of the biggest artists ever. I mean, especially during the 80s. In 90s, I mean, it just doesn't happen. It just does not happen. But I had so much of, I mean, again, I don't mean to completely harp on the thinking, manifesting thing. I like it.

Dude, when I think about everybody that I really admired, either a hero or somebody that I really, really admired, with the exception of Elvis Presley, who died when I was 12, I have either met, become friends with, or worked with, or all of the above. every single one of them that's a great life to work with people that you admire and then become friends with them and yeah it is it's cool yeah and I do that too and I but you know it's funny because this show like I I did and I started doing it just because I mean I started and then it became something else it became like purpose like we talked about real things and like how powerful the mind is and it's not just about oh what are you doing now and it's I don't know it just became something that helps me and helps people who are listening and they're just like it's just a new perspective yeah you know at least I

I think. That's good. What other song you want to play for us? We could do Don't Me Nothing. Yeah? Yeah, why not? We were just talking about it.

Unless there's something else you want. I mean, I love that one. I mean, they're all easy for you, aren't that? We could do, should have known better. We could do, don't mean nothing. We could do, um, nothing's too slow, though. Should have, should have known better. You want to do Should have known better?

94. STO. We've got a great song here. Should have known better. How many times have you heard that? Richard Mark's off the coast. The deepest night I can't explain Somebody said they heard me call your name

The radio won't let you leave my mind I know it's over but I don't know why Should I know better Than I fall in law with you Now love is just a faded memory should have known better I'm a prisoner to this pain and my heart still aches for you yeah there was no risk that I wouldn't take not a promise that I didn't make All I asked was that you just hold on

Now I'm wondering I did wrong Should have known better Than to fall in love with you Now love's just a faded memory Hey sing it Should have known better I'm a prisoner to this pain

Come on And my heart still is full I gave you all of my body and soul I've never been leaving in my loose control I took my hands off the wheel I can't remember if the lies were true. It's been a million years since I touched you I thought time might help me win this game

But being away from you Slowly driving me insane Should have known better Than to fall in love with you Now love is just a faded memory Should have known better I'm a prisoner to this pain And my heart still aches for you

Yeah Yeah Yeah 94.7 Richard Marks just keep some fucking killing it dude this has been an absolute freaking treat i mean dude it was fun sorry it took so long for me to no no this is this is this is honestly this is so long for you to get inside me this is one of the

most how much fun are you having tyler tyler's over here engineering the show 11 years always like i don't know any of this shit man it was great dude i don't but it was great i still can't believe like i should believe it but like listening to you and the i mean this isn't the ideal but you what the fuck you sound so good So funny to sit next to somebody when I'm playing a song that was a hit before he was even in his dad's balls. Yeah, you weren't even in your dad's balls, Tyler. How old are you now? 25. So I could be his father. Yep. Are you? Is there something you want to say? Is there something you want to announce? No, no. Well, Tyler, I'd be happy to be your father.

Oh, thank you. In fact, call me dad for the next school. You want to have kids or you're over. I think I'm getting old now, but, you know, there's been a couple of close moments, not with pregnancy, but with women that I really liked. You know, I'd like to find someone. But yeah, I love having someone around. I love having, you know, being able to do something with someone.

And you're happily married now. Yep. Things are going well? Awesome. When you find someone, are you going to say, I've found someone. Are you going to just like Blurt it out? Maybe I should.

Yeah, why not? Dude, Richard Marks, this has been a real tree. I don't know what else to say, but we have to end it here. This is, you play two beautiful songs. You gave your heart out. You were honest. The last one, by the way, is the song I play when somebody says, would you consider singing at our wedding?

Should have known better. Should have known better. What was I going to say? So where can people see you? Where are you going in the next? Everywhere. Just look him up. On Twitter, Richard Marks, Instagram, the Richard Marks. My website has all the tour dates. We're playing. Is it Richardmark.com? Marks.com? Yeah, I was, I should have been Brian Adams.com, but it was already taken. And I'm doing more shows with Rick, Springfield,

and then I'm doing a South American tour in the fall and back to Europe in the spring. And just, I'm playing like nonstop. And I, oh, and a new album coming out in the fall. What's that called? We don't know what it, the album's probably going to. to be called Limitless, but the first single which is coming out pretty soon, I'm so excited about it.

It's called Another One Down, and I wrote it with my son Lucas, and he produced it. Dude, you're awesome. Let's go take a picture in the video. You got it. Football season is here. Oh, man.

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