Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - ROSE MCIVER: Disguised Defiance, Coping with Uncertainty & Running Low on iZombie

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

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You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. I'm so glad you finally did it. I know you've been crazy busy and personally. Profession. On professional, I couldn't think of the word. I was like, workly. Workly, personally and workly.

No, I feel so lucky in this insane climate. I will never, ever complain about having a job. My goodness, I'm very lucky. Yeah, well, you've always, like, worked. You're always, like, and it's not like you're just, like, you're on some show. It's like you're carrying a show. You're like a lead in a show, and it's a hit show. And it's a commercial show.

I was looking at this and I was just like, ghosts and I zombie, once upon a time you're in, Power Rangers. So at the cons, it's like there's so many at these conventions where you sign autographs, there's so many things people could ask you for. I definitely feel like cons are my sweet spot because I've done so much genre stuff. I've been just lucky, man. So lucky to be employed. I've definitely had dead spells. You know, your team, your reps always make it.

looked like you've just been consistently working forever. I guess that's their job. But there've been spells and, you know, I came out to L.A. from New Zealand and hadn't got work. I did a bazillion odd jobs and, you know, I've definitely had those chapters too. But for the last few years, I've been really lucky with a steady stream and, and I love the genre world. Like it's, it's just been, it was not an intentional move, but to all into like, I mean,

I guess I started and it with Xena and Hercules and things like that. back in New Zealand just because that was what shot there. Yeah. And then it just kind of kept happening, these sort of heightened, stylized kind of genre TV shows. Well, how did it all start? I mean, you're from New Zealand. Do you get upset?

First of all, say no, the word no. I don't say it like you want me to. I say no. It's pretty boring. It's not the know you, know you that you guys all. No, but like sometimes I'll hear gnar from like, I guess it's more Australian. I say a lot of nah, too.

Nah, no, no. No. Is that right? If I say nor, nor, nor. Do you know what? No was actually my first word. My mom told me recently. It was.

My brothers was more and mine was no. And that just tracks so perfectly. Are you used to say no? Are you someone who always says no to things? No, I'm somewhat stubborn, I would say. I hope I disguise my defiance. But I can be, yeah, I feel like I do have a pretty good backbone. You seem like, and this is not a bad thing, but someone who's, you know, you're playful and fun.

I've seen that side of you, but like you take your job seriously. You take, you know, you're very cerebral. You're very, you know, things, things sort of, I mean, I'm sure you're spontaneous. But are you in your head a lot? I think I just will never take for granted that I get to do this job for a living. I think it's such a privilege. I think there are so many of my dear friends who are equally and more capable that aren't in regular work. And I just, and I'm aware of how hard an entire crew works.

And I do think that, you know, you want to have fun. You don't want to be too dower about it all. But it's like I, it's my job. It is my job and it's my job to, I'm being well paid and well taken care of. And I have to show up and be ready and be prepared. And I think it's kind of insulting to other people that are working very hard if you're not. So that, you know, it's a balance because obviously I work in a lot of comedy and in a comedy TV show. You need to find levity and rapport and joy and connection and looseness.

And I definitely understand that. I just think there's room for both. Hopefully you can kind of come as prepared as you can. And then, yeah, I guess I do take my job seriously. Did you prepare for this interview? I've got my binder right here. It looks a lot like scraps of my husband's work paper, but, you know. I'm sure you probably, did you do any, like knowing you, you might just go,

Well, I want to listen to an episode before I do this. Yeah, well, Rahul, I know. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And we have so many of the same friends. I know. We go to these things and we're like, oh, Danielle Bannerbaker. Oh, exactly.

You know, it's a small, it's a little world that's, it's fun, it's cool. It's, it's nice to see people you know, especially at these cons. And it's just like a, it's like a, not a click, but sort of like a, a cool click like it's not a you know because click you think high school and but this is sort of like a fun you know group of just actors who are enjoying their time totally we never had summer camps in new zealand it's just not a thing mainly because well our summer holidays are at christmas they're normally sort of family holidays but anyway summer camps aren't a thing in new zealand but i imagine that's sort of what it's like when you reconnect with the same group i don't know every six

months or year or whenever it might be and you have sort of a dense hang out for a couple of days and then you abscond to your different lives and yeah it's got a summer camp feeling to meet the conventions do you um if you look back on your childhood because you uh started acting at a young age right was it was it a fun family was it a fun family dynamic where you close with your parents was it like this unconditional love perfect family thing well it's funny you say I just realized I've described myself as taking my work very seriously. But, you know, I started when I was a kid and I was not taking it seriously. Yeah, of course.

You know, you're just like, I was sort of three and four. It was just like. You weren't sort of three or four. You were three or four. I know, but was it work? I guess this is where the gray area is. It was like a hobby. Like, you know, somebody might go to a play along music class at the library.

It was that level of commitment. It wasn't, it was some friends of friends were making short film. And we needed a little girl to be in it. Can your daughter do it? Things like that. Do you wish you felt it's the same way? Because a lot of times I do the, just the energy I had, the excitement I had when I was younger, when I was doing this. It feels like it's sort of not completely evaporated, but it's not like it was where I was young and naive and just like didn't care.

Just I do anything and let's go. Let's, do you think you miss that part of you? I remember some veteran actor describing it is like when you first book a job and you're counting the number of days that you're on the schedule. And then the further on you go, you start counting which days you're off. And, you know, there's a reality of it all, which is you assume more responsibility the older you are and you have commitments outside. And, you know, there's definitely an element of just needing more time.

in your life than you can kind of have so i understand the counting days off but at the same time i do try really hard something i always go back to is i remember being about 11 and thinking oh my goodness if somebody ever flew me to a location to be in something any like anywhere you know within new zealand if they flew me regionally that's just that's it like what an unbelievable success yeah like very very much so and i still think that every time somebody books a flight for you you're like I'm worth somebody putting me on a plane and taking me to another location. And I don't know, it's like you get caught up and you'll, as I said, the reality of the day-to-day work and you get used to things and you're climatized. But if ever I'm starting to feel it all exhausted or jaded by anything, I try and go back to that sense of, man, what an insane privilege that somebody values what I do enough to do that for me and to,

fly me somewhere. Yeah. But yeah, you ask what kind of family I'm from? I love, I'm so lucky. I'm really, really lucky. My parents are incredible. My brother's incredible. You know, we're a family.

We've all got stuff and we've weathered things over the years. But I've always felt incredibly supported by them. I've never felt as much as I started acting as a child, there was never, I'm always hesitant to even talk about it in interviews because it makes my parents. sound like stage parents. And it's just so far from the truth. Basically, my brother was scouted in a bank for a commercial when he was three or four or something. And my parents initially were like, oh, no, I'm not sure. You know, he was talking on a play telephone and some agent saw him talking and he was very verbal for a kid that age. And they were like, oh, would he be interested

in this commercial? We're looking for a kid. And my parents were sort of, neither of them are performers at all. And they were kind of like, I'm not sure. It's a good idea, but, you know, at the same time, maybe that could, like, that could be something we put away for him if he earned, you know, $1,000 or whatever it is. You could put that in a bank for him and you could start a little saving or whatever. So I think he, they did that when they let him do that. And then it was just sort of like a slippery slope because he's very, very capable, my brother. He's a brilliant actor.

He doesn't work full time as an actor or anything now. I think from early on it started like work begets work and he got a reputation for being a kid in New Zealand who could do an American accent for starters, which is put you ahead of the pack when you're a local hire for American TV shows. How do you do that when you're that young? It's like to learn the American accent. I mean, I guess things are easier when you're younger. He's a musician.

So he has a really crazy good year, like a very, very good year. Well, so do you. I mean, I never knew you were from. New Zealand because you all, yeah. Actually, since becoming a mum, like the postpartum of everything, my brain, I know I hear it does soften, like there's an actual reduced brain capacity when you've just recently given birth, because I guess all your focus goes to the newborn, which it should, but I notice my accent is worse. So that's a little fun fact for audiences. If you're listening to me in Ghosts, Season 4, I am working, I'm just having to work a lot

harder to stay 100% on it. Yeah, my brain just feels slightly softer and I can hear when I'm frustrated? Yeah, it's very frustrating, actually. Because you could hear it. You could hear it while you're acting. Yeah, exactly. So you're like, I need another take. I can hear my accent. Yeah. And hopefully not many have got through the keeper, but I definitely feel it in, even in a blocking or anything a rehearsal. I'm aware that the sounds are not just normally flying out my, you know, flying out my mouth like they normally would. Yeah. By the way, having like having a child, how much did that change your life? You talked about postpartum. I mean, that's a real thing. I've had friends who their wives have gone through it and really, it can be really serious,

you know? Yeah, well, when I say postpartum then, I was just referring to the time frame of like having given birth, but postpartum depression. or anxiety, I think because I'm someone who's definitely wrestled with mental health stuff in my life, I was so braced for that. I was like, I assumed I would get hit hard and fast and maybe because I had all my resources lined up and I have a great therapist and I have all the things and I was really lucky, maybe not because of that, but, you know, I felt like should that have happened, I would have been in the best position I could be to navigate it. And then I was very fortunate and hormonally I've actually felt, particularly that first three months, I was very lucky. I felt pretty good. I mean, I'm exhausted and all in. Well, that's really good. That's really good inadvertent advice to women out there is like, you know, you know, prepare, prepare with mentally, physically, like do everything you can. So if it does happen, it's not a complete shock. You're like, okay, I was I was thinking this could happen and this is happening and how do I deal with it, right?

think in a similar way when COVID hit the pandemic, any of these sort of giant life events I was so used to feeling quite fragile and having struggled with coping with uncertainty my whole life. When big uncertainties that actually warrant concern occur, I sort of already have tools at the moment that have been able to help me with those. I felt like, yeah, like the newness that a lot of people experienced around that shock and not knowing what the next few years looked like. I had one weird upside of being somebody who's had OCD and dealt with stuff is like, yeah, it felt familiar.

Yeah, yeah. And not that I wish that experience upon anybody, but it, it's like it's all about finding the upsides and whatever you've whatever cards you dealt and that was definitely a bonus for me was being able to and the same with postpartum being ready and willing to face whatever mental health struggles were going to come and then you know maybe I was just fortunate because that happens to maybe it was just the hormones but maybe having investigated some of those feelings and the concerns around that helped a little I think Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money.

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And it's like, you know, it's a human thing. It's not like an actor thing. Totally. Yeah. And I mean, you know, I'm mindful that I, when I say my first three months were great, it's like, by no means do I mean to mislead any other new parents. Like I, it's insane. It's an insane chapter. and it's wild and unpredictable and particularly the return to work.

I had no idea how challenging I would find that just in terms of the balance because all of the things that you can logically plan for kind of go out the window when there's sorts of new attachments and stuff going on. So it hasn't been like smooth sailing entirely start to finish. And it's it's just been the particular. post-partum first three-month chapter where I know a lot of friends who've been hit drastically with an incredible crash of hormones, I think I still had a flood of something going on that kept me going through that. Yeah. What do you do? What do you do? I mean, obviously,

therapy, but like, is there something you do routine-wise or something that's just help you substantially get through anxiety or a bad time? Is there something that you do that might work for others or may just work for you. Yeah, I think I do, I mean, when I run, I haven't been running. When I run, that helps me a lot. And I've heard theories that this could be completely, you know, misconstrued and not inaccurate. But, you know, like EMDR, where you stimulate both sides of the brain left and right.

You've done it. Yeah, right. I've done it too. But the same idea of stimulating the left and right. I have heard, discussed with running, where when you're, if you run like I do without any information being ingested, like without listening to something, a podcast or music or anything, it's like the one time in my life, I'm not uploading other information and I'm just thinking. And when you are stimulating your right and left sides of your brain with literally

your feet hitting the pavement, it helps you to reroute potentially some of the ways that you're thinking about things you've felt stuck with. So if you sit and stu and ruminate like I am prone to do on a couch or wherever, you find yourself going down the same neural pathways over and over again. But if you do, if you encounter those thoughts while you're running, there's a theory, be it true or not, but that it loosens up and rerout some of that energy. And I don't know if it, I mean, all I can speak from is my own experience

that when I have been running regularly, I feel decidedly more balanced. And I'm not right now. And, you know, there's no real reason for it. I'm just sort of out of the rhythm. I know I'm busy, but it's one of those things. It's very important to try to find time before and I should. Yeah.

But I find that, yeah, running when I have done that in the past, that's been really fantastic. And sewing, I'm a big, you know, I'm a bit of a textbook, anxious person. like cross stitch jigsaws really fine motor skill activity um what did you say that terrifies me i remember in eighth grade we had to cross stitch for a project and i just didn't know how to do it and it was just awful and it was actually one of those times i remember i was like dad this is due tomorrow he's like you have to cross stitch an entire santa claus when you're starting on this now what fantastic school did you go to i didn't get it was i don't know how it was in the middle of indiana but uh You know, they, this was due the next day.

And, of course, I waited. And my father, I thought he was going to, you know, he goes, all right, I'll do it. And I woke up and I went downstairs and I looked on the table. And my dad had a note and said, he went to work. He says, I got to about 233 in the morning and then I couldn't do anymore. And he got like 65% of it done. So I turned it in 65% of a Santa Claus. What grade did you get?

I got a D. But that was, I was accustomed to C's and D's, and I didn't do well. I mean, I had, you know, I mean, look. That's not motivating, though. That's like saying you might as well do 0% of the work or 65% of the work if you're going to be a D either way, you know? Well, I don't like. I think that, you know, a lot of people are very loose with the whole, oh, ADD, ADHD.

Oh, I have that. ADD, I have that. I have this. I have that. In this world, it's like everybody has this. Oh, he's a narcissist. Oh, like, let's not throw these words. words around loosely. But any teacher or therapist or anybody you've ever talked to, I know I have

ADHD. I know I've always had. I know I have some OCD. I know I have. It's just so obvious that you know, I'd be foolish to think otherwise. And I also think like, I was actually talking to a friend about that this week, the sort of sense that everybody's diagnosed with something. And I'm like, you know, it's easy to want to be cynical about it and to sort of wonder, question the validity of certain people who say that. But ultimately, I'm like, I think we're just actually looking with more nuance into people's ways of going through the world and things they struggle with. And whether sometimes things are mislabeled or not overwhelmingly, I think the benefit from understanding that you're not alone and that you, that there are other people who are not processing

in a traditional manner information or, you know, that that navigate things. a little bit differently. I'm like, it's a complicated arena and obviously there are medical professionals that are great and getting clearer and clearer about how to diagnose and treat these things. But I feel like a lot of my friends have benefited from being able to go, oh, that thing that I have that always just made me feel outside the norm, well, maybe there's a group of people who I do identify with a bit more and that I do understand, well, you know, I do feel like I fit in somewhere a bit more. I think you just have to, like, whatever is going on with you, everybody looks for an easy

out. I certainly have done that and do that. But I think the most important thing is changing your ways, learning to build a new healthier routine, learning to get up and go for a walk, go for a run, exercise, do all these things. They will absolutely help. It is, it seems so daunting. and I know to get started on changing your ways

when you're so comfortable in them. And so you just ultimately have to do the work period. If you don't do any work, nothing's going to change. If you're not trying to change, you don't just change. So anyway. No, I just think, you know, when you ask, what are the things that I do to help, when there are hobbies, jigsaws, cross-stitch,

um sort of meditative activities that are repetitive and somewhat mechanical and when i saw a lot of people like oh that's so creative and i'm like it really isn't and that's great that's what i like about it is it's not creative you don't have to be great you're just doing it for you no no and that you're you know i'm following i do quite big complicated looking cross stitches that are photographs and things but there's zero creativity in the traditional sense it's like i'm i print out a pattern and i mimic you know, I'm not even mimic, I follow, I obey every single rule on the sheet and I can

sort of switch off and But that's discipline, that's discipline in a way. It's discipline, yeah. Discipline but it's not creative and I think I am a creative person but that's actually not the part that relaxes me, it's more the sort of you know, it's I can rearrange rocks in a garden bed and it does the same thing

and I feel great. I feel the same way my OCD kicks in and I just all of a sudden, I'm cleaning out the entire closet. And I'll notice that. My girlfriend will say, she'll just look at me and she'll catch me and I'll go, oh, I was just trying to make excuses like, oh, no, I was just straightening up. She's like, I know what you're doing. And I will just be fixated until it is complete. So there's times where I really, let me ask you this.

But it's also funny how different, you know, I mean, without going too deeply into the OCD of it all because, you know, there's elements of it that are just working through personal stuff in my life. But I will say that it's not, you know, when you talk about having OCD and everybody assumes it's just cleaning and it's just spraying and wiping. And I just find it, it is frustrating where it's like, I understand what you're describing as an OCD tendency because it's rearranging and creating order and, um, But there's just so many different ways that it manifests. Like some OCD is purely cerebral. It's like just brain activity. It's doing the same thing. It's the same intention as somebody who is repetitively cleaning down a kitchen bench

or washing their hands a million times or whatever. But you're craving that sense of order internally and you're not looking. Your compulsions are internal. Yeah, my therapist says that. He says, if your house is clean. and your car is clean, and everything's in order, then you have the best chance of your life being in order. If everything's chaos, if everything's messed up, that's not good for your brain. If your brain can compartmentalize in the houses this way and the dishes are done and this,

then you can focus. That's kind of how I work. So if I have everything around me, that's, you know, it's good. Then I can focus. Then I could learn my lines. thing though, isn't it? Because it's so inconsistent, like, it finds things to latch on to and areas of your life. Like, I don't need to reorder my own entire kitchen cabinet regularly, but if I go to my parents' house, I do. There's like, you know, or there'll be something that warrants a mental fixation that's like a substantial thing that's happened in your life or whatever, that my brain will be able to go, oh, it's all right, whatever, that we don't know, we don't know what's happening there. And it'll be something else seemingly innocuous that

becomes the target it's it's such a i can't i can't pretend to understand yeah very much of it at all i understand what i've learned enough to know what tools i need to deal with it in my own life but it is just like you start picking at the corner of it and trying to understand how how our brains work in general it's just like it's i know um was was i zombie the first time you felt like this is the biggest thing i did what was the what was the one moment in your life where you're like, okay, I've made it. I can tell them at the next level. I think it's interesting because it's always incremental, as you know. It's like it's never like you go from not having a job to having done five years on a TV show. It's like you get a

callback. You get an audition, then you get a callback. And then that seems like the big moment. And then you get the table read and that's the big moment. And then you book the pilot and that's the big moment and then the pilot goes to series and that is and then it gets renewed and on and on and on and it's like it doesn't um i didn't have like i'm waking up in the morning because for all i knew i zombie was a pilot that was going to go away like so many of them do um so it wasn't like when i booked that i was like here we go i've landed um i've never really felt like that i still don't feel like that i feel like what no because i don't i feel like it's so it doesn't stress me out I think I've got to be one of the only actors on the planet that I've spoken to who's not

like, oh my God, I'm scared, I'm never going to work again. I've kind of always had a sense that one way or another I'll work again. It just, it's on what and at what scale? And is it paid or unpaid? Is it, you know, something that gets a lot of viewers or not? Is it an indie movie that no one's going to see or is it some network TV show that people are knew on smallville i knew that when i saw it i knew this is going to be a hit after i saw when you saw when i saw the pilot i said without a doubt this is something special this is the first thing i'm

i'm going to do that people recognize and i just knew it right and i had never known that before but that's why i thought maybe after the first season of a zombie and people are coming up to you when you're like, oh, wow, look at the, how many people watched this week and we're building an audience. And, you know, maybe after the first season, they're like, pick it up. And you're like, okay, I'm on something that's special. You've got to remember, like, coming from New Zealand, being an actor is not, there is no celebrity acting culture in New Zealand. It's just not, like the only celebrities that exist in New Zealand are, well, at least I'm talking about till I left, which is 13 years ago. I'm sure now there's social media celebrities and all sorts.

But when I was there, sports people had a shot at sort of being considered a celebrity. But in terms of actors, you always had to have another job. It was always, it's a trade. It's like it was, you know, there's an artistic, wonderful industry there that I'm very inspired by and proud of and long to go back and work in. But it was never, I don't think anyone ever had a sense of having made it at home and being like, ah, great, now I can chill. It's like, you never know.

whether you're going to have to take a job in some other department in film and television or, you know, in restaurants again. And I think that I'm not a cynic about stuff. As I say, it's not like I don't think I'll ever work again, but it's also not like I ever think, great, now I can relax and just coast. It's like, oh, no, this is great. Where is it going next? I think I am a pragmatist about. That's a great way of looking at things. I wish, you know, I thought like that.

I think now that I'm older, I feel like I don't take things. things don't just stick with me. If something happens and it doesn't work out, like we were so excited about this one project and everything was great, and all of a sudden, complete change of plans, and,

you know, someone bails out and the project's dead, completely dead, because this is the money. And I was like, how did that? What the, and within a couple hours,

I honestly, somehow maybe it's a protective mode that my brain does, I just go, okay, that's done. Let's go to the next thing. I don't dwell on things that aren't happening the way that I hope for. I try to have an open mind and think, okay, that didn't work. I've had so many things that work and many things that haven't and there'll be something else and move on. And that's that's one quality that I actually like about myself, unless I'm doing it subconsciously and there's some some. I'm sure there's, it's both, right? Because I'm sure I'm sure there's all sorts of big, giant question marks and existential things going on. Thankfully, they just haven't been ones

I've had to address yet in my life. It's more like, I think when you ask what has changed about having, since having a kid, that has been a huge re-centering. I mean, it's like my family is everything to me, my husband and my baby and my dog and my own, you know, the family that I grew up with. It's like that I feel so lucky that everybody's safe and good and that, you know, just that really real aligned my focus in a major way. It just kind of affirmed that that is the stuff that I care about the most of my life and that, yeah, we're very lucky to not have to work a job that I hate. And same with my husband. We both work in creative industries and get to do things we love. It's like, that's so wonderful to have a family.

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It's going to be in tons of bookstores and available on. Amazon. I'm so proud of it. But I do think like some of the things that help were, for example, I did the Lovely Bones when I was 19, which is a Peter Jackson film that film that shot

that I had done that shot outside New Zealand. So I guess there was a moment in terms of being on a plane to Philadelphia where we filmed where I film most of my stuff. You're on that plane. I'm on that plane. I was on that plane and I couldn't you know I couldn't believe it um and I had a second ticket to bring someone like that was so cool and anyway when we went and filmed that and I had a great experience and met lots

of wonderful people and um after that film I went back I kind of got I auditioned for a few things I got an agent in LA and there was a bit of coming and going and stuff and I just sort of panicked about it all and shut down and was like no I think I just want to go back to university and do some other stuff, and I did, and I got my part-time job at, you know, Glassens at home, which was the equivalent of, what is it, like, Forever 21 and, you know, it's like I had gone from, were you happy? Were you happy there? I was. Yeah, I was. It felt like the right thing at that moment, but it's funny. It's like I'd gone from our premiere for that. We met, I was shaking hands with the now King Charles, Prince Charles, and I'm like, it's a bizarre royal

premiere in the UK and then the next week I'm just like, not the next week, but a couple of months later, I'm clocking in for my shift, you know, in retail again and it's just life. And I love that. I'm like, I think it kind of always made me feel like, um, grounded. Yeah, yeah, I guess, I guess so without wanting to sound NAF because I'm anything but mentally sorted in my life. But in that respect, I have always felt quite lucky that I really love the life that I have. And I give credit for that to my parents because, yeah, I was raised feeling, feeling lucky from the start, feeling privileged. I don't give any credit to my parents. I give credit to my grandparents.

There you go. And to yourself in the work you've done. Yeah, sure. And friends and people who believed in me and love me. You know, that's the most important thing. um tell me about your experience with i because i want to talk to you about briefly at least about i zombie about playing olivia and then ghost playing samantha and it in just like samanta right samantha how do i yeah

why do you unsure how you say it no that's it's samantha right oh yeah that's her name yeah yeah yeah yeah i was like i i just was remembering i didn't yeah yeah yeah sam and live i mean I am lucky that, and again... Two completely different roles, which was fun. Yeah, totally. And I feel like that's been my life. That has been really cool. I've never fallen into feeling very typecast. No way. The variety I've had so far has been insane.

I think I'd come straight from, I mean, once upon a time playing Tinkerbell. And then I had done Masters of Sex where it was like a set in the 50s and she's sort of a naive, you know, naive 19 year old or something. I would have been and then going on to I-Zombie where I get to play this kind of tough sardonic Rob Thomas Classic you know I was so proud of that character and and the variety that I got to do within that and then to go to Samantha now who's like she's incredibly accommodating and she's a people pleaser and it's just through the variety and being able to not just play those characters for a couple of months on a movie but to be able to kind of dig into them for multiple years is wild.

Do you learn lines easily? Yeah, I guess so. Like you can learn a monologue right now and then at 2 p.m. Or maybe at 5 p.m. your time, you could go and do it. Well, again, you know, the postnatal brain is definitely different. For me right now, it's starting to kind of sharpen. up again, I hope. Coming through the fog.

But the immediate, like dropping straight back in, it was a little bit surprising to me that finding words was not as easy. But I learn things. I don't even know. I've tried so many times to work out how they go into my brain. I do see visual chunks on a page. And I know I've got three chunks left in the scene. Or, you know, I'll kind of have that sort of way of learning things.

But also my favorite way of genuinely holding it is. is when it's in the space, like, I'm very physical about, and when it's genuinely motivated by the action in a scene, the physical action, that's when the line's going very well. So on any projects where I've had the luxury of rehearsal, that's my favorite, like doing theater where you learn lines as you kind of discover the blocking. Right. Would you do a reboot of I-Zombie? I'd love to.

You would? I had the time. I don't know if people understand quite. much I had the time of my life. Why didn't it continue on? Why did they cut it short? I mean, I guess you did five seasons, right? It's five seasons, which is pretty good innings.

Yeah. Our numbers were like fine, but they weren't insane. So I understand it kind of ran it forth. Where did it air? CW. CW. So why they could have tried to sell it to Netflix. I bet Netflix would buy that in a heartbeat.

Well, I guess part of it is that I had to play a different character every time I ate a brain. and I must have done about like 50 something, I think. I was probably running pretty low by the end in terms of what I had left in my arsenal. Maybe if the conceit changed a little or they relied on other actors, or we started, you know, like when Rahul was able to play different characters and David Anders as well, that was wonderful. Like the more they leaned into that, the kind of the show I could see having a lot more life. But I was probably down to my final few ideas.

Yeah, but I mean, you did 70, what, 75 episodes? That's a lot of TV. That's a lot of episodes. And then, I mean, ghosts was, was it something when you shot the pilot? Was it was, did they do a pilot or did they? Oh, so they did. Did you feel? We shot the pilot.

We did the table read for the pilot. I think it was March 13th, whatever the day was that the national emergency was announced in 2020 for COVID. So we did our table read and then we were supposed to start filming on Monday and we got told it'll be two weeks off. then we all know how that story ends. So we came back in December, I guess, and we shot the pilot. And it was when one in three people in L.A. had COVID.

Lord. That was the data, and we tried to film a pilot that was, I think, I don't know, seven or eight days or something. And how many actors, especially during COVID? Ten. Ten actors. And it was like, we were waiting at every turn. We thought there is no planet on which we're getting. through this and we got through it. And we were all really fortunate and the pilot turned out

great. And, you know, our creators, the Joes, our showrunners are so brilliant. And I think what they had imagined on the page, it's an adaptation from an equally brilliant, a fantastic UK series. And those creators had built this concept that I I think, you know, even when I read the pilot, I was like, oh, wow, this is going to go. This is like, this does have more of a shot to me, or at least it would be a shame if it didn't go, because I can see where a series lives in this. There's so much to mind. There's so many flashbacks, there's all these different characters from history. So when the two Joes who brought the show to the US and created our show, when they reinvented it with iconic characters in American history, I just thought.

it's such an obvious choice. Like, there's so much to mine. They did a brilliant job. And then we had one of my dear friends, Trent O'Donnell, who directed the pilot. And I knew in his hands, things were in good shape. He's an iconic comedy director from Down Under. That's not easy. Pollan from Accounts is his show.

Have you directed? Oh, yeah. Yeah. My friends are going to kill me calling it Trent's show. It's created by dear friends of mine, Patrick Brammel and Harriet Dyer. It's their show. But the trio of them and Trent making Colin from accounts together, that's like, wow. But this ghost seems like it's hard to shoot because you have 10 people on set a lot.

Like you have these people kind of running in and out and watching and like, you know, and then finally you get this ability to see them and all that. And, you know, so it's like it just seems like it'd be a lot of days, a lot of long days because you're shooting so much. Or did they just do it in a way where it's just, it's the same as shooting, you know, if there were four actors in the scene? The pilot was a learning experience, as you can imagine, just figuring out how that worked and looked technically. But that's huge testament to our crew in Montreal.

They are able to move so fast. And, you know, it's like there's only a small amount of improv that we actually do on our show because it's just such a packed schedule. There's so much dialogue to get through. We do have to shoot things with and without ghosts or Aveque and Saint-Fontom, as they say here in Montreal. And I think, like, yeah, but the crew, the amount they have to anticipate and navigate when they are working with comedians and they're trying to, like the boom operator has to be unbelievably dialed in to no. Oh, man. We might have a line that's something popping out.

And they have to anticipate that and they do and they have to work with and without ghosts and framing people that aren't there and thinking about how that's going to translate. It's like the whole machine is so impressive to me. And I'm very fortunate right now this week actually I get to direct for the first time on ghosts. What? So I'm getting to work in a new capacity with our crew who I already adored. That's amazing. in the production sense, but seeing them all in pre-production and what they're able to achieve, it's just like, it's wild.

You're going to have a blast because when I directed an episode of Smallville, you know, I was nervous and all this and I wanted to impress. I wanted to, you know, show them that I could do it. But once you get there, it's unlike anything because it's a machine that's already working. Everybody knows. It's not like you're doing an independent movie where you're like, you don't know anybody, you don't know what they could do. Everybody's got a job to do.

Everybody knows how to do it. You just focus on the scene, getting. the, you know, the good acting. Absolutely. That's it. I think like the biggest mistake that somebody could make going into trying to direct TV is thinking they have to be an oruteur. Yeah.

Change it up. Particularly in a show like ours. It's like people who trust your collaborators, man. These guys know this so intimately. And of course it's fun and I'm trying to bring some fresh ideas and, you know, a bit of vision to how I'm doing it. But no, I'm not trying to reinvent this process. It's fantastic.

It works really well. There's people who know things that I could never even fathom, you know, about catching pitfalls before they happen and knowing that if we shoot this direction, this thing's going to happen. And it's like you've just got to lean into trusting your team and listening, listening and observing. Well, congrats. I think that's freaking amazing. You ever kiss someone in the morning and you wish you hadn't?

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In Kiwi? Do I do? I mean, I have done. And yeah, I do like pretty bad Australian accent. It's so funny because it's so close to New Zealand, that's much harder to me than... What's the real difference between, like, because you probably don't like when people go, oh, you're Australian, you're like, no. It's funny.

I don't care. I mean, I've made peace with that. My husband's Australian, so we've negotiated a great peace tree and we're wearing We're in a pretty good place with it. Who's better at football? Australian accent, the biggest difference, there's two vowels, and like the classic one that people use is the example is Kiwi say fish and chips.

Aussies say fish and chips. Fish and chips. It's like a tighter sort of sound. Ours is a little wilder. And then in their A's. And it's not absolute because there's different regions in Australia that pronounce things differently. but for example, I say dance, my husband says dance.

That would be some of the bigger, more obvious differences. What about a good southern accent? I've definitely thrown a dart at it. I don't know if I landed on the target. But I've done, yeah, I've done some southern accents. I am really lucky in ghosts this season I get to do, Sam doing an attempt at a southern accent for an episode that I can't explain why she does that yet. That's cool, though.

So it's kind of comical because you can't do it. It's licensed to be bad. Yeah. Right. I like it. This is called shit talking with Rose McIver. These are my top tier patrons who get to ask you a question. Go to patreon.com slash inside of you.

Thank you for supporting the show. Couldn't do without you. And here we go. Blake B. And this could be rapid fire for you. So you can just boom. As rapid as my brain will let me. With her knack for bringing such diverse and quirky characters to life,

how does she personally connect with each role to make them feel so authentic and relatable rapid fire okay i feel like um we are all like as an individual person me rose has about 900 different characters in me like like you know i'm a different version of myself with my parents than i am with my school friends than i am with somebody i'm trying to get a job from like i think that you've got so many different threads in you and different character i just try to really focus in on one thread of somebody that i already am love it razi b what is the funniest thing to happen on the set of ghosts oh man this is always this is like the hot seat that I can't handle because we laugh every day I don't know it's like I underline one example and something else I guess um one time when

devon our Viking on the show is he's he's um very obsessed with meat he eats a lot of meat he was an ex NFL player and um he's very concerned with a lack of protein and um one day in an earlier season when we had some different caterers, we were shortchanged on meat, I would say, and on a meat option. And he absolutely lost it in the scene afterwards. And he raged out in a cut that I think ended up in the episode because he never gave an option that wasn't raging.

And people will think Thorfin was just losing the plot, but it was Devin furious that he hadn't had enough protein at lunch. And it was a quite unhinged level. And Devin, I say that with love. But he knows. My God. All right, Flortatious B. What's your favorite horror creature?

Zombie, Werewolf, Vampire, Gilman, et cetera. I mean, I guess I have a real soft spot for zombies now. I feel like they're, they always get the roar into the deal. They look like the bad guys. So I'm, yeah. Name this movie. Name this movie. They're coming to get you, Barbara.

Oh, I'm really bad. I'll give you a hint. You were holding a copy in I zombie. Night of the Living Dead? Yes, correct. Lee G. I think you were the first Power Ranger Michael has had on the podcast. Any tips for what makes a good morph movement?

Oh, man. I'll tell you what makes the best Power Ranger stunt sequences, and that's their stunt doubles. Every time I put a helmet on, it's not me. It's some incredible athlete who is doing all sorts of tricks. So, you know, I took a swing at the morph movements and stuff, but I'll tell you the best secret to good action sequences is a great stunt person. I trust the pose. Absolutely.

Is it true, like, I've somewhere heard that all the Power Rangers, at least all the originals or whatever, none of them ever got residuals. They just got bought out. I don't know. I wasn't SAG then. I don't think so. Yeah, I'm not. You don't get residuals from Power Rangers. No.

No. Nah, nah. You said it. You said nah. You said it. You said it. You said it. You're not. Little Lisa, who inspires you to be a better person? My daughter. Really? Yeah, very much so. Very much so. Just the fear of falling short for her. I want to be a realistic mom who is flawed and has, you know, I want to introduce her to the fact that she doesn't have to be a perfect person early on either. but it sure as hell makes you want to be one.

What's your biggest fear or one of your biggest fears? People trying to work on it still, but people not liking me. Really? You still have that feeling like you want people to like you. Yeah. I think we all have that. I mean, I've had that my whole life. It's just like you want, and it drives me crazy because you just have to be yourself and be kind.

And if someone doesn't like you, then... Exactly. I can do, I can work through it all theoretically, and I can see the logic that you cannot please everyone. And there are, of course, lots of people who don't like me is still my fear. It's still the thing that I don't, I don't know quite how to live with sometimes. What did Bob Dylan say, you can please some of the people, some of the time? You can please a few of the people all the time, but you can't please all the people all the time. Exactly.

Yeah, that's so true. I mean, but you still enjoy it. You still enjoy the business. You seem like someone who always has to be working. Do you think if you're not working, it kind of drives you crazy? So actually, that's another thing, all the things that, all of my shortcomings that I'm cripplingly aware of, I do feel confident that I actually go pretty well when I'm not working. Like when I did navigate the pandemic, I became an obsessive gardener like that. I can, I am a hobbyist. I can find plenty to fill my time. Yeah, no, I don't, I'm, I love work and I'm

lucky that it's come up for me. And when great jobs come up, that's awesome. But I also, no, I don't panic with time by myself. I quite like, I quite like time to pursue hobbies. What's next? Anything next other than ghosts, of course? I would love to do something in New Zealand. I'm really craving going home, New Zealand or Australia. I'm spending some time on that side of the world, being around our families there. So I'm really looking creatively for something that could pull me in that direction. And what else? Yeah, being a mum and taking my dog for walks, just some of that stuff for a bit, I think.

Most is a very busy schedule. It's great. It's wonderful, but it's seven months of the year. So when I'm not doing that, there's, yeah, there's lots of time. What did you ask about my dog? What kind of dog do you have? the important territory. I have a dog that I love so much and has been one of my greatest teachers

because I want her to be liked by everybody and she's not. She's not a people pleaser. She does not give a shit what other people think. She's so protective of me and my husband and baby and she loves us and when somebody's in the pack. She's very, very good to them. But I would say she is not naturally human, socially inclined. She loves other dogs, but she doesn't trust people. How's your dog's breath? Oh my, are you kidding? Have you been bugging my house? This is the talk of the week. I have a product called Rosie's puppy fresh breath. And I was going to ask you and I'm going to

give it to you. I'm going to send it to you. No, no, Mike, you don't understand. This is insane. We took our dog yesterday to get her teeth cleaned for the first time. She's a year and a half. And we were talked into getting her sedated to have her teeth cleaned. You're a dog person. Is that normal? Yes, they have to, for the most part, there's some people that will not put the dog asleep. If your dog isn't a people person, definitely they would have to sedate the dog. But you could try products. But if that doesn't work, it just really depends how severe it is. they're if the vet saying we really recommend this um you know you never want i don't think you understand we came from a world where that's the most insane thing any of us had ever heard i mean we're so

yeah it's it does occur it does they do say that like if you know if you want a real cleaning for your dog you we have to sedate the dog that's i so we did that i wish i had this puppy breath spray too well i'm just going to send you this it's all you do is add a little um cap full in your dog's water and just be consistent and it's odorless and tasteless so your dog doesn't taste it and it's got look it's got a little picture of me i feel like i'm on the truman show right now this is so bizarrely like we actually had a very rough night with her dog last night too who um has very upset stomach and uh we've had a challenging a challenging week but she's yeah this this dog breath is i'm sending it to you i'm saying it to you can also get it on amazon but i'm sending this to

you because you're a guest on the show so Listen, this has been awesome. I really am so grateful that we got to spend a little time together. And I know you're busy. And the fact that you took some time out to be with me is just awesome. And I'm really, really grateful you had me on. You always have very nuanced, interesting conversations with people. And it's a privilege to be here.

Thank you. Thank you so much. And I'm going to send you stuff. So I'll get your address after, not on the air. And all my love. You sure you don't want me to give it now? Oh, I don't know. Well, you know, I don't know people are going to, they'll probably like that.

five five five eight eight two three hundred empire today you got it it's a commercial you know that commercial oh I know it yeah yeah all right fine all right you're the best all my love to you and the family and keep kicking ass thank you so much Michael I really appreciate it bye she's great well just a great personality so easy going you know you tell she's easy to work with she's just like very even keeled i mean i wouldn't want to cross her i'm sure she probably has a little fire but uh i loved having her here today um thanks for listening and uh i want to thank the patrons again i'm about to read all the top tier names have been here for a long time supporting this podcast i would say it's like if you know people pay for a streamer ryan sometimes are 1499 or

whatever if everybody just gave a dollar 99 or something for the podcast you get four episodes a month and then all the ones in the background in the past making it even two bucks yeah i mean anything uh but uh anything helps and i really appreciate you and i want to thank the top tiers here who get boxes every few months from me and letters and all that good stuff so thank you and happy holidays and i just appreciate everybody who's just if you just listen to the podcast that is enough i just love that you listen so thanks for giving me a shot. Nancy D. Little Lisa, Eukiko, Brian H, Nico, P, Rob L, Jason W, Sophie, M. Roche,

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