Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - RYAN KELLEY: Teen Wolf Reality, Smallville Gateway & 14 Siblings!?!

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

Ryan Kelley (Teen Wolf) joins us this week and talks about his unique experience of growing up as a child actor with 14 siblings and hitting it big on one of MTV’s most successful series Teen Wolf. Seeing Ryan was a blast from the past - we open with him remembering guesting on Smallville and how it was his gateway into taking acting seriously. We also get into working with Clint Eastwood, how he keeps a purpose to avoid depression, and why he curbs expectations to avoid disappointment. Thank you to our sponsors: 🧠 Qualia Mind: https://neurohacker.com/iou __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And thanks for coming out. You can go to Sunspin.com for merch to book the band, Zooms, all that stuff. So it's a lot of fun. And also listen to Talkville, my other podcast with Tom Willing and Ryan. Yeah. And inside of you live podcast. Yes, live podcast in Los Angeles, Regent Theater, 7 p.m. Actually earlier, if you get a meet and greet with me and Zach Levi, yes, Zach Levi, he's the guest.

And live podcast at the Regent Theater, 7 p.m. October 11th, Wednesday, Ryan will be there. I will, of course, be there. It's going to be so much fun. I'm nervous. I'm excited. I hope you come and join and support the podcast like you always do. And if you can get out to L.A., it's going to be a freaking show, man. Ryan, you doing all right? Yeah, I'm doing all right. Yeah, maybe I should interview you one day. Sure. Would that be like, going to get inside of me? I don't know, you got to get along with your family, you're, you know, you seem like

you're mentally sound, you know, you've got to. I got darkness. Do you? Hey, man, I can share my darkness. Hey, man, I can get dark. You can get dark? You can get dark? You need dirt?

I'll get dark if you want to get dark. Oh, yeah, we can get dark. I'll go jit dark. Oh, yeah. Fucking race. We'll go darker than. I'll go for a rip afterwards. We'll go winter in Alberta.

We'll get so dark. We'll fucking get up. Go for a rick. after go for a rip you always are going for a rip make sure got enough loonies and tunis and we're in like two can we go for a rip it's cold back there in Saskatchewan this is what would happen if you interview me he would just turn into this all right listen to this all right listen we got a great podcast for you uh Ryan Kelly um he's had a terrific career um and it started really on smallville and he was on the show a few times and we talk about that and we talk

about life and he opens up and um he's got a big following such a sweet guy it was so nice having him here i think you're really going to enjoy this one so let's get inside of ryan kelly it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum inside of you with michael rosenbaum inside of you with michael rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience hey folks wanted to highlight something before today's episode. In case you weren't aware, myself and many of the guests are on strike alongside SAG after NWGA. Today's episode and any we air before the strike ends were recorded before it began. So this is just a heads up in relation to some for the topics we may discuss. If you want more

info on the strike, visit sag afterstrike.org. Now let's get into it. It's crazy looking at you. Because last time I saw you, how old were you when you did Smallville? Everything I'm going to say, I'm always off a little bit. My mom would be like, Ryan, that's not even true. So let's say, I think I was 16 the first time, the first season. 16? I'm sure you were that old? I mean, I was 15.

I mean, also, I looked like. You looked young. You were like me late bloomer. Yes. So that's another thing that's probably throwing you too. Man, I mean, I just remember. And I remember thinking I'm not just saying this. But I think I told you.

I don't know if you didn't remember, but I remember it was just saying, you're really good you're gonna be you're gonna you're gonna work i remember telling your mom i was like this kid's good you're well behaved on set i don't know if she beat you yes i don't know what what happened but uh it was just like you know when you watch those episodes those were the bet the two great episodes that you were in it was heartbreaking yeah right ryan oh no i've seen it yeah yeah yeah yeah because he's had to watch them because he does talkville as well with welling and um what do you what do you remember just like going back like what do you remember i mean 15 you're not that young no so you probably remember a bit uh i remember i remember i mean again like i said my memory is

terrible so um so those roids man with all your bulk right uh it's drop you know living in hollywood drugs being dropped on your head um but uh what i what i do remember is smallvo was the first like it changed my life in the sense of that was I had been acting when I was younger just kind of something my parents made me do and I enjoyed it don't get me wrong but it was definitely like not forced but like if I made an obligation to something mom was like well no you have to do this right you have to go to this audition you said you would and I took to it I have a bunch of siblings they didn't like it as much I kind of loved it and I loved being out of school I loved yeah acting as much as I did sports and small

was the first time that I saw adults doing it for a living. Like it clicked in my head. I was like, wait, I remember you guys, especially the second season. You guys were going through like talking to each other about contract negotiations. You remember that? A little bit. Yeah. And I remember thinking like, wow, it would be so cool one day if I could do that.

But the first one for sure, I was like, wait, you guys do this for a living. Like you don't do anything. Like you didn't, this is what you do? You know, you guys like, yeah. So that was the first time it clicked to my head. And then it's a good thing and a bad thing. My mom probably wishes that never happened because that was one I made in my head. I was like, oh, I'm going to lie to my parents

and tell him I'm applying for college and not apply to college and then I'm going to do this for the rest of my life. That's what you thought at that age, right when you were on set, somehow it clicked in. Dude, that was for sure. Smallville was like where I was like, oh, I want to do this too.

Well, how do I, my parents are going to make me go to college. How do I, oh, I'll just lie to them and then, you know. Did you like doing it? Did you like acting? I loved it. I loved being on set. Like, that part is still to this day is my favorite thing ever.

You love the process. Yes, of making the art itself. You know, as you get older, the audition part is you want to beat your head against walls. Yeah, here and there, you know, I mean, it's it's the name of the game, getting back to, you know, like right now I'm not currently working on anything. So it's getting back to the grind, the grind, which- Putting yourself on tape, not going in anymore, right? Well, that part at first was kind of tough, you know, like I do like the in-person gratification of like seeing some human respond to your work. However, living in Los Angeles now that I've kind of gotten over that, I'm like, dude, I do actually. not like sitting in traffic for an hour, an hour and a half. Like if you have an audition down in Raleigh Studios in Santa Monica, I live in the Valley, you know, it's an hour and a half

coming back on a Friday. But now you could just like stick your lines wherever and you don't have to memorize them when you go to audition. Right. Yeah. That's how I look. You know, that's how I look at it. Ryan. Right here, right here. It doesn't look like I'm looking at my lines. All right. Good. We're good. Roll. I definitely do like certain ports where like I'll put like post-its. Yeah. Of like a line that I, or a word I can't remember and I'll glance at it. like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Now, you said your parents didn't want you to get into this or they did. They did. But I don't, they wanted me to, I mean, for sure, like every parent wanted me to go to college and then, and then if this was something I wanted to pursue, they, they would have like me

to have like a backup plan or a degree to fall back on, right? Yeah, but you were like something I read or is it true about like your neighbors were going for an audition to meet an agent? So you're like, let's do that. And all of your siblings, you all went? Yeah, we did like a, like a one of those showcase type things. Who decided to do that? Whose idea was that? I'm assuming my mom. You know, like, so I've, so the story is I have 14 siblings, right? Whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't know that. Yeah. You have 14 siblings. Are they all from the same? The youngest nine are adopted from all over the world. Wow. Yeah. So it was a way to, I think, I mean, like get a head start on paying off college because there's no way my parents were going to pay for 15 kids. Hold on, hold on. I mean,

it's I I hate having in my calendar going I got to send my brother something oh I got to send my you know I got to call my sister you got to call 15 people I mean if you would have talked to my siblings I'm the worst 13 no 14 14 we're both wrong right so I don't I don't call it I mean I'm the worst I the only I know my birthday and I know my older brother's birthday because he's one day after me the rest of that I get updates for my sisters like really you don't know anybody's birthday no not I don't know your mom's I bet nope You don't know your dads. Nope.

I mean, they're going to listen to this and they probably, they know this. They know I don't. I'm the worst at that stuff. I'm so bad at that. Are you bad at remembering or memorizing? I'm, no. So because of acting, I think I'm really good at memorizing things for a short period of time and then gone. You know, like, if you made me learn a script, I could learn that real quick.

But then if you asked me three weeks from now, I wouldn't have a clue. I'd be like, what? Yeah, I understand that. You know, like, it's just been trained in my head to like learn things. Like, I always did good on tests because I would cram study for them. and then, you know, if there was ever like a recap or surprise test, oh, I was failing that. Because I was like, wait, what? So you do well in school?

I did when I was younger. Right. So five years old, you guys all go. How many do you go to this audition? I don't, that's a good question. I need to actually, a handful of us. A handful of you. Yeah.

And they, so you did a showcase. Something. Yeah, like, you know, one of those like looking for, uh, young talented, you know, there's a bunch of names. I can't even remember, but, you know. How many did they choose? Uh, how many did they? So.

that's not you know what these are great questions i if i if i start just answering them i'm gonna be like but it started it started you yeah yeah yeah that's what started at all yeah and then also like like i was definitely younger and my older siblings were same sort of thing looked younger mature my parents you know my mom ruled with an iron fist so like you know we we we listened to her like my mom's a great mom like i like you would see kids on set crying or like being disobedient running around that was never us we would listen if my mom said like hey you're gonna act like this be mature don't embarrass us we did that why did you listen to her uh it's my mom i don't know was she was she tough tough love yes but no i mean like was she a spanker i definitely got spanked

we didn't get beaten but i got spanked yeah i got spanked yeah i don't think there's anything wrong with that i think this whole world now it's like you know what do you think i want to spank my kids for sure yeah ryan uh no i didn't i know i was definitely a trade of like breaking the rules so i never did yeah i mean would you have gotten spanked no uh did i uh did i No. All I could say is I'm not talking about beating your kids like you're saying. I'm just saying like a little smack on the ass saying, hey, don't. I told you three times.

Yeah. You know, wake up. My dad in the mall sometimes I'd be, oh, yeah, oh, well, and like you go, stop that, stop that. And then he grabbed my arm and go, ha, yeah. Honestly, I was more scared of my mom's look. You know, that look like. I was scared of my mom, my dad's voice. Yeah.

I'm not going to tell you again. Do you understand? I think that's where I channeled some of the Lex Luther stuff. Nice. I did. People say, where do you, where does, where do you, where do you, what do you get that? You're kind of a goofy guy. I'm like, it's easy to channel my dad. Yeah. You know, and I, I hear, you know, even a lot of people do that. Um, I don't know if Farley, if I heard this or maybe it's wrong, but like Chris Farley would, uh, you know, he, like his Matt Foley, there's a essence of his father and they're like, listen to me for God. You know what I mean? Yeah. There was like that essence. I mean, Napoleon, Napoleon, you know, he's like, of my job that was just like him and his brothers they were always like gosh you're stupid what are you doing yeah you know you get sort of characteristics from your friends and family for sure yeah experiences well where does you get that i noticed like even when you did small but we'll get in it

teen wolf and all the stuff in the movie and you've done tons that you work with sigourney weaver you've worked with a lot of great people Clint Eastwood right yeah i can't i mean i can't that's crazy but what we're going to say that's a funny story i mean most of the stuff i did with him got cut anyway so that's funny i'm about to do a movie coming a lot of my stuff got how do you deal with that by the way how do you deal with getting cut out or failure uh well the key to something for for me like unless i've seen it or i know like i was downplay everything you know like i've had friends who make a huge deal about something especially if they're newer you know like if they haven't worked as much and then they get something and they're super excited about it and then it's like

their friends and family or you go to this premiere and then you don't find out it's cut till until it comes and then you look from in my opinion you know you it's it's it's it's it's it's an ego you're like what why did that so i just never play up anything to work i'm just like i don't know i mean you know see yeah i do the same thing and then when and then when i'm cut i'm like yeah i don't you know i did more but i don't know what happened i think that is a um classless act on the behalf of directors or producers not to call the actor who had a decent look if you had three lines and they're not in the movie you don't have to call this person no i did mine was definitely small. It was a handful of scenes and it, no, it wasn't like, yes, I understand what you're saying. No, they didn't, they didn't owe me a call. It was such a massive movie and what I had and what they, it was a, it was a really cool thing, which is why I did it. But then what most of the cool stuff that I did didn't make it. Routy, Roddy Piper did this movie that was not good. And he was like, you know, he had a scene in the movie. And he came to the premiere with his kids and he, no one told him. He wasn't in the movie. See, that's messed up. And I was like, and afterwards I, he goes, hey, man, you're funny. And I go,

hey I can't believe your stuff wasn't in there he's like yeah bud he was so cool he taught me the sleeper hold yeah I go I said hey look does a sleeper hold really work rowdy rowdy piper and he looked at me and goes give me here I'm going to show you something and he just want to grab it right here and grab your arm around the neck the other arm goes this way I don't need a pull here or something and I just was I was out and he caught me yeah and he goes now you're going to do it to me and oh I can't I can't hold you up he goes no you'll be all right just make sure I don't fall hit the ground anybody could do the sleeper hold did you make him pass out and I made him pass out because he showed me how to do

and he goes like whoa whoa he goes yeah see there and he was it was it was it was trippy but yeah that's that's a lousy thing to do is not is not tell someone with such a name especially yeah especially if you're going to bring your family like oh yeah hey there folks it's michael rosenbaum and boy have I got a huge announcement for you This has been a long time coming, and it's finally here. I'm doing a live podcast. My podcast, inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum, is going live. Yeah, for the first time ever on Wednesday, October 11th at the iconic regent in Los Angeles.

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life, like if you look at people that you meet that have issues or bad people, you know, like it all stems from parenting. So if you just are good parents, more often than not, your kids are going to be good. But yeah, but how about you have 13 kids? How do you pay attention to all 13 and help them with their studies? I mean, I can't. All right, your algebra. All right, next one.

Here's science. Don't know anything about it. Kelsey, move along. John, here we go. For sure. I mean, I'm sure there's some of that. I mean, that's stuff that I think about now. Like, you know, I'm in my later 30s, so I can't imagine what my parents had to go through.

But you just, we kind of just did it ourselves. And if we had questions, they would help us. but sometimes sometimes I'm sure they couldn't or weren't as my dad was pretty good at math but if he wasn't around you know like my mom's like me we're not good at math so get a tutor get it out go to the teacher ask for help you know you know figure this out yourself yeah I mean that makes sense it's just it's just yeah it's got to be tough like with all those kids it just it just I think about it and it's just like I think you know how I didn't get any attention growing up and I'm like guy can't imagine with 13 kids well on top of not I mean the best thing about having so many kids

is my mom had built in babysitters. So also, like, if I wasn't getting affection from my parents, I was getting it from my siblings. I was always around my siblings. Oh, your babysitter. Friend. We never had babysitters were my siblings. And sometimes that's good and sometimes it was bad.

Yeah. You know, like I had a, one of my sisters was, was a tough babysitter. Really? I mean, I was a brat, so I, you know, she was tough on me for reasons. I'd just get sent to bed immediately. And you'd listen. I had to her. She called my mom and then she's right and I'm wrong, you know.

Did you ever deal with any, like, you know, growing up and like getting into the acting world did you ever deal with any like anxiety and your nerves or are you just a confident kid because of your product of your own environment being you know having good parents i have nerves all i mean for everything you get you have nerves going in you know you want to be perfect or you want to you know you put in i know you've put in all this work especially on certain auditions like that's the thing you try not to care i mean that's something i've learned is to not care about i mean obviously i care about them but to the second you walk out you know that thing of just like forget about it if it's meant to be throw the sides away and you know that's

that's easier said than done. There's definitely some auditions where you're like, come on, I really, you know, like you can't not. So yeah, I mean, there's always nervous. There's always, I get nervous for every audition I go on.

Even just like, but it's nerves of excitement more often than not because I have put in the work and I'm ready for the audition. The nerves that would kill me is if I, like, you just gave, like, I hate cold reads. So like that terrifies me

or used to terrify from me when I was younger. You mean just reading off the script. I hate, or like, you know, like, you haven't learned them, just read the scene. Or like, you know,

like sometimes like, My nightmare is going in on audition, doing really good on a, on a, like a, like a, the character you're auditioning for. And then being like, you know what? You're fantastic, but you're not right for this role. Here's this one.

And then even though they know, I was thinking of my head, I'm like the casting director knows and hopefully they relayed that to whoever's watching. But I'm competing now against kids who've had a week to memorize this stuff. And I'm hoping they convey that, but then when someone watching it.

I know, I know what you're saying. Someone's watching them. They're like, he didn't take the time. Remember? Yeah, he's just reading it. No, the cast director will tell.

Hope. I don't know. know? They have to. They go, why is this kind of reading off the script? You know, you say that, but it's the same thing when you send in an audition tape. Like, are they actually watching this? I don't know. Well, Clint Eastwood. He casts off tape. I hope. He casts off tape. He cast me off tape. Did you audition for Clint or did you cast off tape? No, it was for a casting director. And I actually auditioned for a different role. And then they're like, same sort of thing where they're like, you're fantastic. We don't think you're right for this. But hey, there's a smaller role,

but it's actually really powerful. What movie? Letters of the Regima. Right. So there's this role that's like super cool and like it's, you know, paint this terrible thing about war

and we think you could crush it. You're a Marine. Yeah. And originally I was going to have this like insane dying death scene. Like, you know, again, it's someone looking like, the whole point was just showing

how awful it is and like, you know, some kid fresh off the boat like barely out of high school, you know, fighting for his life and it's this really cool dying scene. And I went out there. First off, it was the craziest experience. I went out.

in Barstow and tried to find base camp and there's thousands like you'd go over these rolling hills where we had to park and there's no information and I'd come over to the hill and there'd be like 300 soldiers Japanese soldiers that they don't speak English or they weren't speaking English to me and I was trying to figure out where I was dude it took me like two hours to get to where I needed to go and again it was so crazy that like at base camp there was just no information so it was a very weird experience like it was really yeah it was crazy and then they put me through like a boot camp with like a real Marine and you know we're there with other actors and some actors might look like Marines but they have zero you know they're just fumbling over themselves I don't know how to hold a gun or like you know

when they're like act like you're at war and crawl and like you know there's a giant dude who looks but they went to boot camp no we're in like a temporary boot game it's just like a you know they like a like this is how you do things quickly yeah or like to make it look legitimate and then and and they asked me if I want to do it and I was like heck yeah and thank God I can not I can look like you know, I can act like I'm a soldier because this guy would ream other actors. Like, I mean, he was just relentless, like real. And you? No, not me.

He didn't. I never got in that crosshair. Thank God. But, like, I mean, I saw like a giant man almost cry. Really? Oh, yeah. An actor, you know? No.

I mean, an actor I met. Right. You know, but yeah, it was, uh, it was, it was a, it was a wild experience. And then all the stuff, like day one that we shot one scene and then. Well, wait a minute. You're missing when you worked with Clint with the first time you met Clint. Yeah. I mean, that was one of my first scenes again. Did he say anything like? Nice to see you.

I mean, he was super nice. He had a lot going on. He did. I mean, he had, so one of my favorite stories. The first time I actually met him was, again, I didn't know where base camp was because this thing was massive. Right. So we're talking with like handlers, I guess, like, and like this Marine guy, like telling us what they were doing. It was such a simple scene. My first scene, we were just running

over hill. I had no lines, nothing, just running over hill, trying to escape for whatever. I don't even remember. But so I run over this hill and then there's this whole thing behind me where bombs are going off and like they, a couple of Marines capture a soldier or whatever. But so I'm one of the first over the hill and come over this hill and it's base camp. Like, oh, here it is. And Clenicewood's there. And right next to base camp is this like, like, it looks like wood that has been in the sea for, I mean, it's a desert. So it's just been just crazy pile of wood.

And he's poking a stick at it. And I'm like, you know, I went up to introduce myself and he like without, didn't, he looked at me. But then he was like, shh, this thing is. crazy and i was like didn't know what he was talking about he's poking the wood and i thought he was like i was like the wood and then finally this crazy looking squirrel comes running out and that was what he was doing and that was how i met him at first crazy it's a crazy squirrel and i was just dying laughing and i was like this is the first time i met him he's going to win awards with it i bet and

the first time i met him he's like not paying attention to what's going on at all now granted every time after that he was and you know the next time i ran over but it's just funny the first time i met him it didn't even look like he was watching what was going on he was paying attention to the squirrel. I think there's something to that. I think there's more than just a old guy kind of poking at a squirrel. I think, you know, these guys who are so confident with themselves can actually stop thinking about things for just a minute, five minutes. Well, it's like I said, it was a, the scene wasn't important. That point was to fill up. Regardless, but I think he can just like do that. Yeah. Like just like have a conversation with somebody and not worry about it.

It's going to happen. You know what I mean? That's what I gather from him. It's funny last night I watched The Unforgiven, or just Unforgiven. Ryan, you've never seen Unforgiven. I haven't seen Unforgiven, though. Have you seen Unforgiven? It is one of the best movies, best Western I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot. It is incredible. The acting, Gene Hackman, Clint Eastwood, Morgan Freeman, it's freaking powerful.

Richard Harris. You got to watch that, dude. You got to watch that. Yeah, you worked, I mean, working with him, I mean, I just, that had to be so exciting for you. It was cool to check off the bucket list, for sure. I wish I would have been able to do more. Yeah, we always wish, but just like, I had a seven-minute scene in a movie, and I was just like, oh, my God, this is, you know, in fact, you know, my uncle's like, well, it's still the best work you've done. I was like 26 or something. I was like, well, thanks. But look, you've done a lot of stuff. Did you ever think that, you know, you were going to be famous? I mean, did you ever, did you, look, a lot of actors say, no, no, I never thought about that. I just wanted to be an actor. And it's bullshit. I wanted to be famous. I want to, but like when you were on, smallville where you starting to work you were like what were you thinking i know you said you this is what i want to do yeah i i definitely uh yes there's a part of me that you know like enjoys being famous in the

sense of being successful because being successful means i'm doing something right right um so i mean yes i mean from again from smallville days is like really when i put it in my head of like um this is what i want to do and i want to be successful and you know obviously fain comes with that and and still to this I'm still chasing. I still would, I would love to be more successful than I'm happy what I've done with. But trust me, every actor wants more. We want, I mean, to be able to get to the point in your career where you choose the narrative or you get to choose your projects or you're writing your own stuff and it's getting greenlit instantly, that would be fantastic. Do you think you want to have a family? Oh, for sure. You do. So your parents set this

bar like, hey, this is great. Family is great. Yes. And it's something that you like, okay, this works and I know it works and I want to have that. So you want to have a lot of kids? Like you want to adopt kids like they did? I would love to, again, listen, I had a plan in my head that, you know, I'm 36 now.

So things kind of haven't, you know, I always thought I'd be married. Like when I was younger growing up in the Midwest, I'd be married with a kid, a white picket by 30 for sure. Yeah. Living in L.A., definitely is different. You know, it's a tough dating scene.

It's a tough, everything. I mean, just living out here is rough. So I would, I definitely, want to adopt. I don't think I'll have, I won't have 15, but I would like to have a couple. 14. 14, 3, 4. 14, you said you have 14 siblings.

14 siblings, yeah. So you and 14. So it would be 15. See, Ryan? I know, I was wrong. I was still confused. I was still confused. There's a lot of us, you know, if you can throw any number. It is. Do you get starstruck? I mean, you work with, not at all. No. Nobody. Sigourney Weaver. No. That's the one blessing for me. I've just been in it around.

entertainment so much. I mean, trust me, there's people I'm like, oh, that's really cool. Like, it's more sports stars for me. It doesn't pays you. No, because again, once you get to meet them, like, they're just normal people. I mean, as you know, like, it's, you're around the glitz and glam. So, like, you go to war shows or whatever. Like, they, there really are just normal people. Now, you respect their work. So that's the thing, like, for me, I love sports. So, like, if, like, I met Michael Jordan, or I have met Michael Jordan when I was younger, but I mean, if I met him again, it'd be more of, like, you're badass. But, like, I don't need to, I don't, I don't, I, fan-girling out, or, or.

and I understand it, but it's just something that... It's just something you never really gave a shit about. I mean, I want to meet... Trust me, like, there's people I want to work with. You want to work with. I respect them. But in terms of, like, the star aspect, it's just like a... I'm around it in L.A. all 24-7, you know?

Now, do you drink? Yes, I'm Irish. You're Irish, I guess, well, and there you go. Did you fall into the party scene at all? Did you get involved in all the drugs and all the shit and, like, going, what am I doing? And then get out of that quickly. So thank again, because of my parents, I was in and around that in Hollywood. So not going to college, not, you know, being that young.

Like, I mean, I moved out here when I was right before I was 18. So my college experience was living, like getting a house with other actors, you know, like a four-bedroom house and four actors that are 18, 19 living in a house. And, you know, it was crazy. And you know you have some bad eggs that are not, we don't call them bad eggs, but eggs that are not good influences. Yeah, or the people they bring around. You know, just being in Hollywood. So I definitely got in trouble. The thing about me is I'm very lucky.

I think genetics, I don't have an addictive personality. So I never got caught up into anything. And I've seen friends, you know, fall apart. You know, the worst. So in that aspect, I always worked really hard and then I played hard. And I'm not an alcoholic in my life when I was younger, especially, I was a problem drinker, you know? Like there's no, like, one drink for me.

It's like one. If I'm having one, I'm out all night. Right. In my 20s. Now, it's too old. I can't do that anymore. But yeah, I definitely... So you've done it.

Yeah. You've done it all. Did your parents ever have to talk with you? Like, what are you doing? What are you doing? What is going on? They know? They still have a talk, you know?

Like, they still know. They still worry about me. I live in Los Angeles. They know. And thankfully, again, you know, like, it's... They don't have anything to worry about right now, but... So you never got arrested or anything? No, I've been arrested.

You have been arrested. I was never... You know, when I was in college, but I wasn't 21. I went to back home to Indiana and we went to this place, Kipleys, and I snuck in with a fake ID. And I was sitting at a booth and one of my friends comes over and goes, hey, the ABC's here. And ABC is like the bar, yeah, yeah. The alcohol, like the police that are checking for alcohol. I don't know what's the stand for. I should know this. I don't remember anymore.

Alcohol boys club. I don't know. So I ran out the back door and hidden these bushes across the parking lot near this house and i just stayed there for about 30 minutes down and then i finally go nobody's chasing you they're gone and i got up i started to walk out lights came on got cop comes out with a gun goes get out get up get up put your hands up put your hands up i go oh i don't want to have anything he's you know and he comes over and my wallet and he take get out everything out your pockets and i dumped it and a condom was on the floor he's like he said something about i don't remember like oh yeah you're going to use that huh something and uh his name i'm i'll never forget because you could ask anybody where i grew up ronald mcdonald he was a tough cop and evanswell you didn't

want to mess with him he was there's no forgiveness from this guy this guy wasn't going to go hey have a good night you're speeding a little bit slow down son never heard that no you're getting written up and you're getting you know he'll do whatever takes to make your life hell. You grew up in a smaller town? Small town. I was born in a small town. And they gave me minor entering a tavern underage, resisting arrest, minor consumption.

And what's funny is he let me go, let me go for the night to leave. He didn't arrest me. But then the other cop, as I'm walking to my car, he goes, hey, buddy, come here. he looks at me and goes what are you doing i go i'm going to drive home he goes you get in that car he's going to he's going to give you a DUI he's waiting for you to get the car don't get in the car and i go okay and i just stood outside my car door for like two hours he even after he drove off i waited 30 more minutes and then i drove it's home way i never forget my dad when he goes he made me wear a suit to court he was like i was

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types of parenting, but for me, I don't... But nothing was... I'm not look I I was an asshole you know I'm in a mistake but you know things like that like he didn't have any yeah patience for I go hey what would you do if uh got my ear pierced you'd go in a halfway house you wouldn't be here and I go okay meanwhile my ears bleeding because candy shepherd next door just pierced my ear and I'm looking in with my writing and go oh cool I'll be like nates for the next week Jesus that's I don't have tattoos for like my parents same thing and you don't have tattoos no they my parents would murder me really I still I mean I I I'm not

skip but I just like a respect thing like I bet you don't say F in front of your no I do I do you say f bombs I try not to now I mean now but when I was in my 20s I was like a same sort of thing like once I was able to drink or I was a little punk where I was like I can do because my parents were strict and then I had that thing where I just was rebelling against them or whatever and my parents were still always cool with me so it's just like this dumb thing that I had in my head where but I still I still had I wanted their respect I still want their respect more than anything um which is why, like, you know, I actually really like tattoos. I have a lot of friends that are covered in tattoos.

I don't want to deal with it as an actor because, you know, you're in the makeup even longer. But nowadays, it's so easy you could. I think about it sometimes, but then I also think my mom would kill me. So it's just not worth it. Did your mom know when you got arrested? Your parents know? No. They never knew.

They did eventually, but I tried to, you know, I handled that. Did they like, Ryan? Oh, they're super disappointed. I mean, it's, you know, it's the same sort of thing. What your dad said. It was just drinking. It's not wrong. All that shit.

You know, so. Yeah. Did you know Teen Wolf was going to be that big of a head? Well, so I jumped on the third season. Oh, so it was already hit. So already was a giant hit. My story is kind of crazy, though. I knew about Teen Wolf before it ever started

because I worked with one of the directors, who was also a producer on the show, on Prayers for Bobby. He directed Prayers for Robbie Russell. And so I auditioned for season one of Teen Wolf. And then I auditioned for season two where for a different role where I was, it was between me and another kid or a couple kids, but I mean, I auditioned for

that one like 17 times. I had team will find me like a ton in front of, just for MTV. And MTV wasn't behind me. And they had an offer out to Daniel Sharman, who had just come off like a really popular movie at the time, The Immortals, I think. And I didn't know that. So they just like, it felt like they kept giving me different notes. Like they're like, oh, he's too edgy. He needs to be more GQ or he's got to be more nerd. So like, I'd go in these auditions, like, dressed completely different every time. And they'd be like, and it was just smoke and mirrors to, They're waiting for Daniel to answer them and MTV didn't like me.

So, yeah, the third season is when I actually got on. Did they offer it to you or you have to audition again? That one was, no, I auditioned, but it was, I was heavily favored. Really? Yeah. Finally, this guy's paid his dues.

Yes. Like, I always had people on Team Wolf behind me. Jeff and Russell for sure. That's good. You have to have. Yeah, you have to have cheerleaders. You have to have somebody out there that's rooting for you.

And that's so important in life. It's like having somebody that believes in you. Yeah. Because it's hard to believe in yourself sometimes when nobody else does. So if you have that one person, I always talk about that, you know, mine, I had a teacher that actually was patient with me. I remember Mr. Morrow. Mr. Morrow. In fact, I went back home in Indiana and I said, hey, we're all going to Taroni's for some pizza. I'm taking everybody's pizza. Why don't you come? I'd love that. I would love to do that. So old Mr. Morrow straight up and all my friends were like, what?

Who's this dude? I go, this is Mr. Morrow. And I don't really remember Mr. Morrow. Some did, but like most of the, he was like he was a substitute teacher. Thank God for this in this one year. And we hit it off. He was just, he was just cool. But he didn't treat me like I was stupid.

Yeah, exactly. And it means the world when you're a kid, you know, like just someone to that you connect with or that, you know, doesn't treat you like a child. Yeah. It means a lot when you're a kid. So you get the role. And I know MTV and a lot of these streamers. I assume to be is probably pretty cheap.

But MTV money. I remember I did a show and I mean, guys, I'm telling you, I got this pilot for MTV with Jackson Brown's son, Ethan, great guy and Leslie Bibb. And the three of us did this show and I was paid $4,000 for the pilot. Sounds about right. And after taxes and everything was about for three. Four weeks work. I think I had $1,400. Yeah.

And then, yeah. So I know. And then they wanted me to do a development deal because the pilot didn't go, but they liked me. We'll give you five grand. I'm like, whoa. Yeah, I'm rich. That's what I thought.

But, I mean, were you like, was it? The same story. MTV is not, they're not known for paying well. But did they start to pay you in season four and season five? I mean, or was it just never a thing about money with that show? No, they were. it was tough always battle even the actors that were there from the beginning were battling and MTV's just not so the cool thing though with MTV that we got lucky with is um like the CW for instance uh conventions you know like the fans are so strong and so powerful that doing these conventions pays good money um and so that's where the money comes to get that keeps on giving yeah with teen wolf we could do conventions with teen wolf named whatever like we could they uh like the arrow ones or like ones for CW it's always like bow and arrow Or like something that's not, nothing to do with Team Wolf, but it's like similar, you know?

Right. Whereas for whatever MTV didn't have any of those restrictions on us. So, you know, we did well in conventions if we were able to get away from work. How many cons did you do a year on average? Again, it depended on how much you were working. Like, so if you had time to make it, sometimes some years 20 plus, you know, and then COVID killed it all. I mean, they're starting to come back, but, but yeah, I really enjoy them. that's a blast, you get to interact with fans in a short weekend, you know, like in, in, in a short

weekend, you know, get to get to, get to bounce ideas off them. I had a really fun experience of one of my, uh, like my little arc was figuring out what my character was. I was super natural, but you didn't know. And Teen Wolf didn't let me know either. So I was kind of figuring out as we go. So I actually would love going to these conventions and like bouncing ideas off. Um, some people like, amazing. Yeah. Oh, well, same sort of. And, but there's some of their ideas. I mean, they're smarter than me in every way, you know, they come up with things. Oh, yeah. They know more. I feel like an idiot sometimes. They're like, well, when you have this, the key,

I'm like, in Tom and I are like, I have no clue what you're talking about. They'll come up with things in the script that what they've come up with makes perfect sense. But you're like, I don't think the writers were that smart. Maybe I don't, you know, like the time of your watch and you're like, I don't think it. I mean, that's amazing that you came up with that. But I don't, maybe I got asked that. And then you go ask and they're like, no, we didn't do. You know, like they're so smart and they pick up on everything.

So for me, I had a blast. And then some of their story and things that they would come up with was fascinating. And then I would be like, kind of repeat some of that and try to sound smart. You'd be like, yeah, well, I think, here's my idea, because I met. Well, I'd be like, no, I bounce these ideas off with, blah, but, you know, but, uh, but yeah, no, I, I, I loved it.

It was actually a lot of fun. It was one of the coolest things ever that I, that I, because most of the time, you know everything about your character. You get a script, you know everything and you can't tell anyone. And at first, I hated it because I was like, this is so, I want to know, like, what if I'm playing it wrong? What if, like, I'm doing this, this and all of a sudden, they tell me I'm like this and all the sudden they tell me I'm like this and that doesn't

make sense at all. Yeah. So it bothered me for a little bit. But then I was like, no, I'm just going to have fun with this. Like, the writers aren't going to do me wrong. Like, they're going to, they'll let me know when it, you know, and how I've been playing it is kind of, I would assume how they're going to write it. So then I just, when I just, when I stopped caring about that and had fun with it, my most enjoyable time was with fans, bouncing ideas being like, dude, I don't know. Like, I think because, you know, it was just, it was a lot of fun. Do you remember the first time you went to a con and were you blown away by how many people were there to see you? Were you, like, is there going to be, is there

to be anybody there? Do they care? Again, I knew because Team Wolf was already established and they've already seen conventions. Like I knew what to expect. But I mean, yes, for your first time. I mean, the craziest thing is, especially like overseas like Paris or France for whatever reason, like kids, I don't know what it is, but there'll be like 500 kids at two in the morning at your hotel out front. Are you serious? Yeah, that part's intense where you're just like, you know, you can't sleep. Or the airport you deal with a lot of the airport. Sometimes they're pretty good at trying to. I mean, every once in a while, something gets leaked somehow or and then you show up and there's somehow we're like whoa how'd they figure that out um so a lot of times

it's it's normally an actor doing something dumb like posting you know like a ticket like look where I'm flying it has a thing so they're like people do that or like you know like first time act like one thing that like I definitely remember getting like the talk like all right right like one of my first conventions uh like big ones uh they're like don't post the hotel like don't even post a picture because then they'll figure it out or don't even post for across the street because they the fans will figure it out and sure enough like some someone will accidentally slip something and then next thing you know they figure out where you are all because of they could see like they're investigators it's insane well that's the wallpaper from the uh and the hilton over on courage street yeah they'll figure it out

they do figure it out yeah that's weird i used to i finally used an alias um it's a kid who picked on me in high school so i use his name no but um yeah and it's funny because i go back to vancouver once a while to work. And the last time I went, I was with my brother. And I walked into the lobby of the Sutton Place. And I'll make up a name, but the head guy goes, good evening, Mr. Johnson, or whatever. And I go, and my brother goes. And my, and the name is such a funny thing because I used to always talk about this guy picking on me when I was kids. My brother, when he heard that, he was like, oh, and it was some, a name that sounds funny. Yeah. I won't say it because obviously that I don't have an alias name. That'd be.

stupid right i think that wouldn't be smart um yeah cons are incredibly there's one thing i will say because i told michel my friend michel uh her and chris they just they lost their their boy preston who was a good buddy of mine he was 16 to a horrible cancer and i you know he was ronnell you know went to the ronald house and they helped him and he went through i don't know how many surgeries i sat with this kid through chemo visit him in the hospital i face time with all my superhero friends like Zach Levi and Welling and all these guys and great kid. I used to drive up to him and to see him and his family and we'd watched. In fact, his favorite show was Teen Wolf.

And if he knew I was talking to you right now. I wish. He would go crazy. In fact, his mom, we were texting and she was like, oh my God. And she's like, it's hard for me to even watch that show because and when it ended, Preston was so upset. He was so upset. and downstairs here, I go, well, what's your favorite show? And he goes, Teen Wolf. And I go, Teen Wolf.

Really? I hadn't seen Teen Wolf. And he goes, yeah, can we watch it? And I go, yeah, let's watch Teen Wolf. We ended up watching like three episodes of the first season. And I was like, this is fun. This is kind of fun. And he knew that he knew like some of the lines. And but it's amazing. And what I felt like when I go to these cons, you know, for Smallville or anything I've done when you could see like, hey, this was a, this was something my dad and I had on Tuesday nights or this is, and it means so much to people. And you don't realize, you're like, it's just a show. How could this mean something? And so how does that make you feel? How do you deal with that stuff? Uh, I mean, you feel awesome, especially like, I was, I hope in my life I get to do more, but like you mentioned a film I did with Sigourney called

Prayers for Bobby. Now, that movie is based on a true story about a young boy, Bobby Griffith, who sadly kills himself because he's gay. You know, his family doesn't accept him. And, you know, like so many families who are uber religious and think that that's wrong would just chalk it up as, you know, the devil got a hold of him or, you know, hopefully, you know, well, Mary Griffith did 180 and realized she's the one who killed her son, not, you know, not her, you know, she pushed her son to death. Right.

And instead of continuing that style, she just a complete 180 and, you know, to the day, She was one of the leading activists for LGBTQ plus rights. Wow. I mean, it's just the story in itself is mind bogging and talking to her about her son and her interactions in that stuff is also you're like, the amount of respect I have for her to openly talk about that, you know, be like, you're telling me you killed your son.

And she's like, you know, it's the worst, the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. Is to admit that. And to admit that and realize that I did that, you know? And then she's like, now from here on out, I'm trying to correct that. It's a powerful message. So a movie like that, like, trust me, I would meet people all the time. still meet them all the time who write me letters and be like, you know, you've changed the way

my parents talk to me or like, you meet like a giant, must be military man, giant burly man comes up to you and you're like, well, let's this guy, he'll come up and shake my hand and be like, I look at my son differently because of you. You're like, what? It's, it's, it's, and again, you have that stuff, same thing with team stuff. But for me, with team wolf, you know, it's same sort of thing where you're like, it's just a TV show about werewolves, but it does affect people's lives. Or if you're going through a bad time and, you know, you're struggling to get out of bed you find joy in a show that that you know brings you laughter or you know keeps you waking up next day and just to get you out of that funk you know it means a lot to people and that's the

thing where you're like wow this is bigger than just me acting and uh and it's cool and that's the stuff that really i enjoy that aspect i love when people tell me things like that and same sort of thing of head experiences where uh you know i met a girl who who she's passed away since but uh teen wolf was her favorite thing and she was a girl who's dying of cancer she was young and she and again i I was terrified. I had to go like in like a hazmat suit to even talk with her. I went there with some of the cast

and I was terrified. I was like, I don't know if I can handle this. Like I'm not good with death. I don't want to see a kid that's, you know, that only has a week left to live. Like what,

how am I supposed to be strong for this child? And then going in there was like one of the most powerful things I've ever experienced because she was stronger than any one of us, you know, and like she would crack jokes about her dying with her parent and be like,

well, I'm not worried about me. I'm worried about my parents. You know, like just caught in her, her, Her energy was insane. And so to do things like that is pretty cool.

Yeah, I would go to the Ronald McDonald's house a lot. And I would have to walk out and go to the bathroom and get, you know, my composure. Yeah. Because I would just feel it coming in. I'd go in there and I would just like break down for like five minutes and then kind of get it together. Because it was just like, I mean, there's nothing worse than a child suffering. There just isn't. I can't imagine anything worse than that.

You know, it's like, you know, sometimes it takes. looking at someone and going, wow, you're never going to have a life. You're never going to meet a girl and have a, you know, maybe a guy, have a family and travel and just nothing. I mean, you're going to, everything is so premature. The strain financially that it puts on the parent, like every, you see, they're just barely holding on. It's tough. And it's everywhere. I'm going to cry right now thinking about it. Serial. Seriously. Yeah, I could too. It's like, it's, yeah, I, I, yeah, it's not for the faint of heart. That's for sure.

But that's awesome. Yeah. No, it is. It's a good thing. I mean, yeah, we're lucky. I always say that. We're lucky that we can do things. We can make, we can make money doing things we love and, and people, you know, support them.

Yeah. Do you, even to this day now, you're 36 years old. Are you got a girlfriend? Mm-hmm. How long? A little over a year. Yeah? Yeah.

You thinking, man? maybe? You haven't gotten there. It's always in my age. It's always in your head, you know? So, you know, I'm not dating to just date anymore, you know? So, yes, she's incredibly important to me. And timing is that, you know, there's things that she has going on in her life.

And, you know, I'm a big believer and there's no rush. So even though a year, year is like still like, honey. Yeah, let's figure it out. You find out if the person's crazy after six months or a year. Another thing that I'm hugely, you know, like, I think is incredibly important. And it was like, no, no with my family when I was younger, living with someone before they're married, I think it's like, you have to. You have to. Yes. You have to.

That's the next step for us. My friends are always worried that. I know, you're going to just meet someone and get married. I go, no, I'm not. I'm going to live with them. Yeah. And if they can live with me and I can live with them. Yeah.

That's, yeah. I've never had that. Can you believe it? I've never lived with a girl. Well, I live with this woman for five months, but we live with her parents. That was kind of weird. How old are you? 20, almost mid-20s.

No people would do that. That was a long time ago. Now it would be weird if you did that. What? If he moved into some girls' parents' house, I think that would be weird. Yeah, a 50-year-old man living with, you know. It's such a crazy world dating.

Do you, were you ever on the dating apps? Oh, yeah. You are. You have to. You have to. I mean, as much as I hate that, the whole concept of, listen if you're if you're out there dating and you're like here's the perfect example i went out when i was i went through a heartbreak so i went out to out i was out mingling like oh i'm

i'm going to try and i saw this girl who i thought was beautiful and i know again i have nine sisters i just know i knew it was girls and i know i'm going to get shut down by her friends even if i could make it to her but the thing i was like maybe ryan maybe you're just being just do it just who cares come on what's the worst thing could happen so i go and trust me her friends try to shut me down and I get to her and she's friendly but I want nothing to do with me and I shit you not the next day or not next day but like at least a couple days later she matched I saw her on a dating of it and I was like no way and so I didn't expect anything of it anyways she matched and I was like it you know like just so you know I met you the other and she's like what

and you turn me down yeah and she was like oh that was girls and I don't even remember you know like it's it's girls are already talking no no this is a different this is years ago that would have been a really nice story but it's that that thing where girls are already talking to guys on dating apps already. So if you meet them out in person, you're already behind the curve, you know? And like, how do you, like, you never go to, the thing that I miss is I just got to experience this

when I was younger. Going to a bar and if your friends didn't show up, you stayed there and mingled with other people and you met other friends. Now I'll never go to a bar that my friends are at because they text you immediately, you know, they're like, change of plans we're going to, Rock and Riley is or change of plans, you know.

So you never do that thing. We're like, where's time? I don't know, call him and you leave. Like, so the concept of like different people, People pockets don't mix as much. It's not as organic. It's like, and even when you get on those dating apps, I don't know how many times I'm like, oh, she seems like she has career.

She's, you know, she's pretty. I collect. Oh, I matched with her. This is great. And then, you know, should I wait a day? I don't know. I don't want to be in desperate here. And then I'll say, say something funny, you know, hey.

Crickets. Yeah. And then either crickets and five days go by and I go, hey, just, saying hey one more time hope you're well nothing i delete it delete her what was that or sometimes they'll say hey what's up and i go hey how are you there you know and a few two things and then they're gone or it's just so and i don't want to um meet someone on a dating app and then they're like all right let's get dinner now it's three hours with somebody i haven't met you yet so i would like to FaceTime you. Let's see if we have a rapport or meet for lunch. Okay. You know lunch is an hour. Yeah. Nobody has longer than an hour lunch. Coffee is a good one. Coffee. And that's it, man. And 90% of those don't end up going past coffee. No. Or lunch. Well, I mean. And I always feel bad. I'm like, you know, I have a good time. And I, I inadvertently sometimes, you know, I don't say like I like you or I just say, oh, great, I'm interested. And because I want to be interested in someone. And then I go. And, and.

they're like hey how are you what's going on well it's just the worst you mean also i swear i've met girls where their roommate texts for them because they're hilarious they're sharp they're witty and then you go get coffee with them and you're like what happened to what where's the jokes where's the sarcasm yeah we're so weird you nervous or you know but it's not and they're just it's so it's just dating apps are the worst and 99% of them never even make it to coffee because they just ghosty or they disappear or they're talking to someone else or again also like I also have an ego too. So like if someone doesn't respond to me too long, I'm like, well, fuck you.

You know, like, and then, which maybe they're busy. Like, maybe they actually have something going on. That's what my friends always say. Yeah, I'm like, well, fuck. Like, I'm important too. Yeah, you get, you feel like kind of like insulted. Yeah. You know what's wrong with me?

Yeah. What do I do? What I say? Or if a girl cancels for whatever reason, like, again, it could be a perfect example. I've canceled in my life. Like, things happen. But in my head, I'm like, nope, I'm worth, I'm valuable. You know, and you're like, and that could be a perfect potential person.

Yeah. That's your fault. That's your problem. But as I get older, it gets harder and harder. You know, like getting, when I was younger, I was way more conducive towards putting up with and molding around someone's issues. Now I'm like, nope. Red flag, red flag, right flag, right flag.

See, that's, but the older you get, and the longer you wait for someone, the more red. The red flags that were just like, like, I don't know, what's a, what's a very light? I didn't have red flags in my 20s. But I'm colorblind. What's a light red that you can't really make it? It's not strong red. Maybe a pink? A whiteish pink.

maybe like a uh like a vermillion okay call it a vermillion it's just like you know all these all these flags are everywhere and it's like you got to just think about what can i deal with and my friend once said listen you have a great life single life you do a lot of you have a lot of fun going obviously i want to be in a burp or in a relationship and you know have somebody to travel with and be there for me and stuff and but he's like I just want you to know, coming from someone who has 23 years with someone, my friend, Tom, he goes, just know this. When you're in a relationship with someone, their problems are now your problems.

So you have your problems, but you also have their problems. And I was like, oh, fuck. I don't even have time to deal with my problems. I don't even know how to deal with my problems. Now I've got to deal with their problems. But it's true. you have to sort of yeah it's a give and take yeah and again i swear to god i mean i'm experienced but dating in l.a is the hardest in the world there is no it's the worst it is it's

people are my friends in indiana oh yeah you're up Nicole kittman i'm like yeah i went out with Nicole kibman yeah because she's i have her number it's you should totally date her i'm like well what are you talking about this but it's like they don't they don't realize you know but in indiana the converse is everybody's married everybody has kids that's what you do there's no single people over 20 in Indiana. Everyone's career driven here. They've got their goals and the first sign of a speed bump, they're already swiping on the next person, you know?

That's true. How do you deal with mental health? How do you deal with like being motivated, being not being anxious, being down on yourself, do you deal with ever depression at all? Yeah. I mean, thankfully, I've been blessed. I don't want to call it real depression, you know, because some people struggle with some stuff that I could never understand.

But I definitely get, I mean, human nature to get down on yourself. For me, I get in low periods of my life when I don't have purpose. So something I struggle with my 20s a lot, you know, acting is, I did a movie with Armin Vuehler Stahl, when called, my brain's not working right now. Oh, I should know this. Dust Factory, there we go, came to me. And when I was a kid, he told me, you know, to, To be a successful actor, you need hobbies.

I didn't know what the heck he was talking about in my head. I was like, that's weird. He was a painter, a musician, he did everything. And I was just like as a kid, I was like, that made no sense. And it wasn't until like my 30s where I was like, oh. And my 20s, I go crazy. Like when I'm working, I'm happy as a clam. You know, I'm so, everything's awesome.

And it's those down times where that's when I get into trouble. Or if I, you know, like, I don't have things to do or you start, you know, like, you get lonely or whatever. So having purpose, keeping myself busy, you know, like, even just going to the gym in the morning helps me keep my mind moving for a reason it's those times are like you know like say if you just did you just got off a series or a film you know and you have like two months off it's it's easy to just be like I'm just going to relax and for those two months I would my it would mess with me mentally rather than you know you'd think like oh I'm you spiral yeah I'm I'm I'm that's good

for my health I'm taking a break no I need to have things to do to to to make it so like you know because the average person they have a nine to five and you know they just they just keep going through it for me I'm I meant for that not nine to five but but like staying busy. Because when I have downtime, that's when I get into trouble. That's when I do stupid things. That's when I just do dumb things

when I have too much free time. And I get down on myself. The most dangerous word in the dictionary, sedetary. That's what, when I'm just not doing anything, just sitting there, I think everything's fine.

I could watch a movie and then the movie's over and then I'm thinking, what am I doing? Put on another movie. Then I'm thinking, then I go upstairs. thinking yeah it's it's like you know some people need to be busy i think everyone needs to have

a little bit yeah yeah and you know i said it millions of times but you don't have to you know be a movie star you don't have to be a millionaire to be happy or have passions everyone loves something everyone loves doing something besides watching tv and like you know going out for a hike or you know going to play softball with friends or learning guitar or whatever it is hobbies hobbies like he said it's so it's so true like i have that's the thing i have a lot of hobbies you know a lot and that's thank god for those thank god for still playing some sports and still playing guitar and music and all the stuff because those lulls can get they get you yeah especially when you're young and you're you're always like you're always working and going to this and hey we're going to

this party and hey we're going here and hey you're going to Toronto you're going to shoot this and you're going to and all of a sudden everything stops and you're like who am I what the what am I doing here and it's just it's scary all right this is called shit talking with Ryan Kelly these are my top tiers rapid fire perfect this is uh go to uh inside of you patreon.com slash inside of you patrons save the show they really

uh support the show and if you want to become a patron do it it's a lot of fun all right miss Kayla Sue what was the biggest blessing and biggest challenge of being one of 15 kids. The biggest blessing and the biggest challenge. Biggest blessing is I can handle any personality that ever exists. You know, like, I'm such a people person. You can't. There's not a person out there that like, you know, like, I might not, I can make, I'm such a people person. You can put me in a room and I'm, I can, I can make it happen. I might not enjoy them as much as, but like, I'm not the type of person who gets freaks out. It's like, you know, I can handle anyone. The biggest challenge.

knowing their birthdays yeah right um the biggest challenge you don't have to i mean i'm just trying to think like i never knew anything different getting lost in the mix maybe but i never felt like i was lost we were that's a really good question i don't i've never had it worded like that so where i'm like what was it i mean i just uh traveling well yeah but again i didn't know we didn't travel so like those things sound so what about favorites jealousy probably i'm sure You know, I was my mom's favorite. You were? Well, I traveled with my mom a lot.

Were you the youngest? No, I'm middle. But I, but my siblings always make fun of me saying I was my mom's favorite. And it's just because I spent the most time with her because of acting because I needed a guardian. So my mom and I got really close. So I'm for sure a mama's boy. They put all that money in a trust fund or whatever for you or did you have to give some

to them? Oh, I definitely had to, I mean, it wasn't to the family. You know, like coming on to Los Angeles, you know, the Oakwood Apartments, that was expensive, renting a car for three months out of the year to make it there for policies and that stuff was like, that money was never mind. I never thought of it. that they helped me get to where I am today. So I got some money, but some of it was gone, you know, put towards things that my family did.

That makes perfect sense. All right. Michelle Kaye as a Chicago native, deep dish or regular pizza? Tape dish all day. I love deep dish. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying, I mean, even bad pizza I'll eat. I love pizza pizza, but.

Ryan? There's a good deep dish place out here. There's not. There's just, say it. It's on Melrose. Say it. Oh, fuck. I don't remember its name.

It's not. There used to be take Chicago. I mean, that was terrible. Remember that spot in Burbank? It was from that act. I should know this one. I don't like the pizza here either. It's terrible.

I mean, it's not. Again, I can eat shitty pizza, so I'll still eat it, but nothing like Chicago. My buddy owns Prince Street pizza. And he says it's great, my friend Larry, Lawrence. Well, they got the pepperoni cups, those things. There? Yeah, isn't that what they do? Is that their thing?

I don't know. I haven't been, but I'm, I have to check it out. Prince Pizza. Listen, again, bad pizza is still good to me. You haven't tried Prince Street. No, I haven't. All right, I've got to try it. Lalani.

And when you were on Smallville, did you have any techniques or tricks that help you act out those emotional scenes with Clark? What were you thinking about? I always think of, it changes every time I have to cry, but I think of like a terrible situation. So like, like, I picture something awful. Like your mom gets hit by me, this is going to be terrible. But your mom gets hit by a car. She's pinned between a car and you're the only, like, mom the only sibling that arrives at the scene. And the cop's like, hey, she's coherent.

but you have two minutes to talk to your mom before she's gone. And then you're just whiffed away and like what I would say... You could do that. What I would say to my mom and then just thinking like that, you know, just it was like, and then I can't use that again because it doesn't work because I use that. So I have to think of other and then sometimes it takes me a little bit to figure out what that one is and once I find it, then I'm like honing on that and I can do that.

But it's weird every time it's something completely different. And then the thing that worked me for the last time doesn't trigger this thing because I'm like, I did that. Right. I hear you. Jessica B, tell us how you felt when they announced they were doing the Teen Wolf movie. Shocks. I couldn't.

I was like, what? You know, we went from doing a, if anything, I expected another season. And then when that didn't happen, you know, it was kind of just like,

that was a chapter of, yeah, and it was awesome. And yes, we wanted a little bit more, but at the same time, sometimes, you know, riding off with wanting more is always better than,

you know, to where something was just bad and, like, just beating a dead horse. So I was content. So when they did the films, was like, what? That's cool. Well, you already said this,

so you don't have to answer, but Ruby M, we answered this in the interview, just saw prayers for Bobby. What a great movie. What has the impact on you after you worked on prayers for Bobby. But you already told me. So there you have that. Ruby. I just want to say your name, Ruby. Jam and Jenny, you've been performing since you're a kid. Do you have any particular mentors along your way? Which ones? Who? Everyone I work with. I mean, even like even working with you guys. I told you, you guys truly impacted my life. So when I got the email from me, I was like,

what? This is crazy. Because you guys changed my life into where I was like, I specifically remember. And you guys were also all very nice. So that was another thing. Like, If you guys were assholes, which I've been on sets where people are, I probably would have maybe gone a different route. But because you guys were so friendly, and then on top of that, I seemed to see the joy that you guys had. I was like, I want to be like that. I like it.

You work with Shatner? I did. Boston legal? Sure, sure. Not as much. He was like, I never got to directly work with him. He was in a scene. No, he wasn't in any of it.

He was around, but no, I didn't get to. Did you ever talk to him? I had a conversation with them for like 30 minutes. And he was super fra. It was, again, it was about my family. And he was just making fun of me. 15 kids. Yeah.

How did you do that? Yeah, that was exactly. That was it. Were you, were you upset a lot of the time? Because a lot of kids. Yeah, I've talked to him too. And then the next time we see him, he's like, I don't know, I don't know you. Yeah.

What is this? This has been a real treat. It's been a real treat seeing you grow up to be such a great guy. And I know you're going to get married sometime. You're going to have kids. I love that you had a good. family. I love that. It seems so chaotic, but it really just worked for you. Yeah. Which it's so important to love your kids, you know. And if you show them that and you pay attention to them and you're there

for them, it's important. It makes their transition into adulthood easier. Yes. Um, when you don't have that sort of, um, what's the, uh, support. Yeah. It's building blocks, you know, like, yeah, yeah, that's cool. Biggest audition that you. That's, um, that's cool. Biggest audition that, you almost got that you didn't get. Biggest movie. Ooh. I don't know if I almost got it, but I've gotten far on stuff that like I got way too excited. Like again, something that crushed me is the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man. I had a couple auditions for that. And that was like my childhood dream, like being Spider-Man. So I don't think I was anywhere near. How many auditions? Four. You were near. Yeah. So you were near. But, um, yeah, that was.

That would have been cool. Oh, man, that was, that one was where I tried to, I tried to... He was terrible. No, he wasn't. I tried to not get upset at that one, but that one, you know, I cried in my pillow at night for three years. I still do, actually. He still cry. I still think about it.

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