Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - SCOTT CAAN: Lessons From James Caan, Leaving Hawaii Five-0, Making One Day As a Lion & Settling Down

Episode Date: April 18, 2023

** Scott's new film ONE DAY AS A LION is now available On Digital and On Demand! ** Scott Caan (Hawaii Five-0, Alert) joins us this week to talk about how his approach to this industry has evolved over the years and what the difficulties are of coming off of a procedural like Hawaii Five-0 after a decade. Scott opens up fondly about his relationship with his late father James Caan, why his loss was somewhat relieving, and how his childhood was both a hero’s tale and cautionary lesson. He also talks about writing and starring in his new film One Day As a Lion opposite JK Simmons, his deep friendship with the late great Paul Walker, and the discipline he’s gained through decades of jiu jitsu. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🧠Qualia Mind: https://neurohacker.com/iou 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 🧼 Dove Men Plus Care __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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guy he was always he's super talented he's great photographer great actor all that stuff but like I just he's a family guy he's a he's a dad he's uh he talks about work and how much he loves work but he also talks about you know we get into you know his father James con the legendary James con and we talk about really interesting stuff like you're going to hear it so I really enjoy this one right you're going to say something let's just get into it get inside of scott con it's my point of view you you're listening to inside of you with michael Rosenbaum inside of you with michael rozenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio i'm not a i don't like talking about myself i know you don't yeah but you know today's the day

But it's fun to, I don't have to, you know, can we curse or no? Of course. I don't have to bullshit with you. Well, you can't say bullshit. Can't say bullshit. But you know what I mean? I can be myself with you because I know you were friends. I know you for a long time.

But, you know, usually they're, I don't know. Where does that come from? Do you think that's like, just like since you were young, it was just something you learned, something you just don't like, because there's a lot of guys like me, I'm kind of all over the place and you kind of what you see is what you get. And, you know, you don't need to see that. And by the way, he's making notes of just, like, things that are interesting. He might not write at all.

That's fine. No, he just makes his own notes. He doodles because he has nothing to do, Ryan. That's fine. Right, Ryan? Yeah, no, I just keep track of the topic. So if I need to find something later, I know, what came after what. All right.

There you go. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, man. I feel like you, listening to people talk about themselves sometimes can be obnoxious and I never want to be that guy. I'm a listener. I like to listen to other people.

I know. I also, but I talk to. I don't know. And then also, nowadays you say the wrong thing, you get in trouble. I don't know. You don't really, nobody really wants to hear anybody's real opinion. They just want to hear what's like, you know, the, like the virtue signaling, right? Like everyone wants to say the right thing and do the right thing.

I agree. I agree with you. And so half of it feels like it's not really, you're not really here. It's not authentic. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think you're right about that. So it's kind of like, you know, if I can't speak my mind, if I'm going to get lambasted, if I'm going to get all this shit, why open up?

Why I tell, nobody, in other words, why, I'll just open up to my friends. My family, I'll tell them what I think. And I don't even think I'd have anything to say that people would be mad at. Right. It's not to say that I have a bunch of opinions that I know are not okay, but. But political, it doesn't matter what you say. You say one thing, half the world says, fuck you. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's like, if you really, you don't really want to hear what I have to say. I don't even know if I have anything that great to say anyway. So I don't know. I don't know where it comes from. I think. I also got in trouble once. I said the wrong thing once.

And I'm not going to be specific, but it, like, it jammed up my life for a couple months. And I didn't even mean anything. I made a joke. And it was like, you know, I said something I didn't even mean. And it was like, it was, it was sucked. Well, why is it that, like, comedians can say pretty much whatever they want? They can. For the most part, they can.

Some of them. You got some of these guys that just are the intangibles. I mean, I feel like, I feel like I've watched. I love watching comedy specials. And I feel like they're all complaining that they can. can't say what they want to say anymore. I think Chappelle says what he wants to say. He's Chappelle.

But there you go. Because he's like, cancel, what are you going to do? People are going to still come see me. Yeah. Cancel me. I don't give a thought. Yeah, what are you going to do? Eat me?

Like, that's true when you're that successful and that untouchable, it's like they don't leave you alone. Yeah. But coming up as a young comedian, you say the wrong thing. That could be it, right? Yeah. I mean, you say certain things like, you know, when what's his name, Kramer from Seinfeld went off.

I mean, but deservedly so. You shouldn't have. yeah that was right but like career gone never heard from the guy because it wasn't a joke no he was he was he was his true colors came out right that was see that's the thing and that's what it's hard to differentiate and rickie jervais right he says whatever he wants and by the way i wish he'd host the Oscars forever me too because when he was he was telling he's like no you sit down get up here and like do you you know do you oh thank these people and all this bullshit just fucking get it take this award fuck off yeah and i loved it i loved it and it was just a

I guess people are like, you know. Yeah, I'm a fan of his. Well, you were nominated. You've been nominated. You were nominated for a Golden Globe. Golden Globe. And Ricky Jervais was the host that year. Really?

Yeah. So he announced your name. I don't know. Or somebody announced you. Yeah, I just, yeah, I don't remember. But yeah, he was there. That was the highlight. How many award shows have you been to in your life?

Not many. I think that year I went to that one. And then I presented at the Emmys. And then I think that's it. that's it I think so do you hate going to these things I don't hate it but I'd rather not do you feel uncomfortable a little bit do you like when they take pictures at the what they call those screens the red the backdrops what are they called the uh what you know those things that they you can get the the that say the sponsors on the back of it you're in front

of the whatever the fuck it is anyway yeah you take pictures you're you're interviewed do you feel like a nervousness that you normally don't feel I have to be on I have to look good I didn't used to, but now I do. Now you're censoring, I'm worried, you know. I don't want to put my foot in my mouth or make a bad joke or offend anybody. And it's not even that I'm worried about me. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I don't want to like, I don't know.

So, no, I didn't use to care or bother me. But I'm, you know, when I was younger, it was like, you know, we went to those things and it was fun. And, you know, now I'm like getting a little older. I'm like, I've been there and done that. I'd rather stay home and watch TV, you know. Yeah, I understand that. I mean, I, I remember my agent used to say, I need you to go to the Golden Globes. I need you to do this.

And one year I went and I, you know, I felt so uncomfortable. Yeah. I'm not nominated for anything. I'm not part of anything. Right. Why should I go to a award show or anything? Yeah. Even when people say, hey, well, you show up to my thing.

I don't. Right. I normally don't do that anymore. I used to. Right. But I always felt uncomfortable. Like I don't belong. This is not my time.

But a lot of people do that. No, I agree. To go somewhere when, yeah, I would never go. with the Golden Globes if they didn't, you know, according to the Nominee or Academy Awards. I think I got invited the Academy Award once to go with somebody, and I was like, I don't want to go. And you didn't go to the Academy Awards.

I'd go for just the swag. But you don't get swag if you're just there visiting. Is that true? I don't know. I think when they invited me. I didn't get swag when I got an nominee for a Golden Globe, I don't think. Really? Yeah, they went up to the thing.

They're like, you want the sweatshirt. I'm like, a sweatshirt. I want a Rolex or something like, nothing for me. Do you, uh... I think I had to pay for my suit. I don't know. Did you? No, usually they fit you.

I don't remember. We're going to dress Scott Kahn today. Yeah, I don't think they cared. Do you think as you've gotten older, I mean, look, we don't know exactly who we are when, you know, you and I were hanging out back in the late 90s or in 2000s. We're like running around or enjoying it. Yeah. Do you think there's sort of, do you miss that time period?

Sure. You do? Sure. What do you miss about it? I just had a really good, fun life. I mean, I, you know, I never had, uh, I feel like, I speak for you, too. Like, our 20s were just fun, weren't they?

I mean, all we did was have a good time. We were lucky to have careers, you know, early in our 20s. And I just, I just remember having a good time. I know cameras were on us all the time, like iPhones and you could just do. We used to go out and have a good time. Never worried about anybody going, hey, I wonder if they're filming this. There was like one, like the, you know, there was like a group of paparazzi that, you know, you knew and they didn't, you know. They were cool.

Yeah, it wasn't like, yeah, everything. Yeah, no cell phones. Yeah, I feel like. Like some of the stuff we did back in the day would probably, I don't know, it'd be bad today. Do you like promoting things? Do you like, well, this is a good thing. Today we're also promoting a new movie and there's one day as a lion. And I'm glad I love this because then it would be, it's always hard.

What would you say if you didn't, though? Well, I wouldn't, maybe I just wouldn't bring it up. Really? I don't know if I'd bring it up. Well, I would probably say, hey, you got a new movie coming out. don't tell us about that. Yeah. But what I liked about this, and you kind of downplayed it, you were like, you know, because that's who you are.

You don't like, oh, you know, you're like, you know, it's good. It's a good movie. And I'm like, all right. Because you're not like me like, oh, man, you've got to see this. And you. And I started watching it. And immediately I was like, oh, my God, you knew exactly what this was. It shot so well.

And the first 10 minutes, so much shit goes down where I love that you're like this hit man. But you're kind of, you have the, you have a heart. right right you have like the anti hitman you should not be a hit man but you are and you're like oh fuck right right you see j k simmons character um you play you play jackie yeah and you see him you're supposed to take him out you got this guy who's opening scene with the guys lying on the couch the guy who's he's he just farts and he rolls over and says you come on you're gonna do this i didn't write the fart that was i love farts okay and it's only one fart it's not a fart movie guys it's it's a very fun intense kind of surprising and i'm watching this and you like

And you call me like, look, he's a cowboy, he got off his horse or something, right? I can't kill this guy. He's like, fucking kill him. Right. What are you doing? And you put this mustache on and you go into this place, into this diner. And whatever I thought was going to happen, it didn't turn out that way. Oh, great.

And I love the surprise of it all. And I love the connections. And what I love is also that it's grounded in this goofy way, like a Tarantino movie. Yeah. Or like a Combrose. Yeah, those are my favorite kind of movies, man. When you take really like horrible situations and find comedy and I'm in humor, I think it's the hardest thing to do when you succeed at it.

I think it's, you know what it works for me is watching you like not ham it up. You're very subtle. Right. Even though you're doing some crazy shit. Right. And you're a little neurotic. Yeah, yeah. And watching J.K. Simmons completely commit to this fucking badass.

And when he's speaking, you're like, this is for real. Yeah. Because it could easily be, oh, we're doing a fun movie. When everybody thinks they're doing this kind of movie, it never works. No, I agree. And that's why I think it works. And it's got like Frank Grillo and J.K. Simmons and Tara Manning and Virginia Madsen. I always remember her from Candyman.

I love trying Candyman because you know the horror movies all around. Yeah. George Carroll, it's like, and you produced it through an executive producer on this. I wrote it and I, you know, produced it. But yeah, there was a guy named Jim. You wrote it. I wrote it, yeah. There's a guy named Jeremy Rosen who produced it.

He really should get the credit for producing. And I just did the like, yeah, I want a producer credit. And I helped cast it a little bit, but he was the producer. Did you call all the actors? Not all, but JK. You know JK. I do. We did a movie 15 years ago.

Everything I ever write, I'm thinking of him for something. And he's such a no bullshit non-Hollywood guy that, like, you know, he reads something. If he likes it, he'll tell you if he doesn't like it, he doesn't have some agent telling him what he should or should not do he you know he if he liked something he does it and so you called him said look I got the script I think it's great I said read it he said I like it if the agents can figure out how to pay me what I need to get paid I'll do it and so he want you know you got to pay a guy like yeah of course you know I remember I did a movie called pool hall junkies which didn't do well that but it was a fun little movie and they got Chris walking yeah and you know he got paid a lot

he was most of the budget yeah he only worked like four days yeah that's right how do we get that I want to get that Jesus you just got a you got to do you got to do something you have to have a voice like he's he's kind of become a parody of himself yeah the way it's like who doesn't have a cross walking everybody does walk and i've been doing it since the 90s no one cares anymore me too me too i remember when you used to do it and people got impressed we're oh my god yeah but i always feel like i do it like one i'm one of the best i think i'm one of the best do you we're not going to do it no i could do it too you you're welcome fine here we are it's 1990 all over again all over again yeah but you know i remember uh we'll

A bunch of assholes. But we, that's what we do. We have fun. So, JK, when he said yes, you're like, boom, we're greenlit. No, I mean, this guy, Jeremy, he makes these movies and he knows how to make them and he doesn't rely. I mean, I'm sure there's something that has to happen. But he said, we're making this movie. It doesn't matter who we get.

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returns. Quince.com slash inside of you. Who would you, who was your second choice? That you were like, if J.K. can't work these dates, I got to have a backup plan. I don't know. you don't you were just saying i got out i might have called you i don't know you still play jk's part i could have done it yeah i mean not like jk yeah but i don't know man like i said i you know he's i can't think anybody else now certainly not now if you would ask me you know when he had the script and he was making a decision i kind of maybe could have had a thought but now i don't right you know you just don't want to say yeah why be disrespectful how many days does a shoot like this i think we shot like 24 days.

24 days where? In Oklahoma, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Was it fun? No. It wasn't fun. It was brutal, man. I mean, I figured, you know, look, I haven't made, we, I set out to make, you remember when we were coming up in the, you know, 90s, early 2000, independent film was

like a thing, you know, we like grew up doing a lot of independent movies. And I feel like that's kind of either slowed down or it's not the same as it used to be. And so this was definitely, you know, the director, John Swab and I were like, let's, you know, like doing homage to, you know, 90s independent movies. And I forgot how hard they are to make. You know, back when we were in our 20s making those movies, it's like it's not sleeping and, you know, being up and losing actors,

two days before you started shooting, all that stuff was like, yeah, we'll roll with it. But now it just, everything means a little bit more when you get older and you care a little bit more and you're, you know, more. So anyway, there was a lot of shit went down. And it was, it was brutal. Why is it, why is it that when we're younger, we have that sort of fearless attitude?

We don't think about how many hours something's going to take. We'll work to the wee hours. We don't, we don't, we don't think about that. I didn't think, do you ever think about sleep when you were in your 20s? I didn't go to shit. Now, if I'm like, oh my God, if I don't get home, I'm not going to get my eight hours, you know? That's exactly what I was at Depeche Mode last night.

I went to see the concert. I wouldn't even go to Depeche Mode because I know I'd be home too late and I'd miss my sleep. Well, the concert ended. And my friend Ray's got, we got backstage passes to meet the band. And I go, I'm going to sleep. I got, I got to go to sleep. Yeah. And I said, look, and finally, I said, I'll do 20 minutes.

And I did 20 minutes. I go, hey, I said 20 minutes. Yeah. And we got to go. Yeah, but I mean, it's the same. I mean, when you were younger, did you have any fear about getting injured? No. Never.

Now I'm, like, worried about it, you know. Didn't worry about my lines. No. Well, yeah. Well, I always worried about that, but not as much as I do now. Yeah. I mean, like, I've had so many injuries over the years. I know you have to.

Yeah. Now I'm like, panic to do anything. I'm like there's certain things I will risk, you know, I'll do knowing that I could get injured. But back in the day, I used to throw myself off of buildings, do every stunt, skateboard pools, surf big waves, ride motorcycles that didn't have front brakes and were jockey shit. I mean, I did stupid shit that I won't do anymore. It's, you know, I don't know, same thing. You just get more thoughtful. And there's like a, it was great being young, but at the same time, you know, I think we're a little stupid.

Then you learn, though, from your dad because your dad, I remember going up to your dad. I remember going up to your house and you were working out and your dad was there and he was working out and we talked and we got along right away because he was uh you were comparing how many back surgeries each one of you had right yeah i also became friends with Stallone on set because of the same you had the same surgery you know that fucking guy's got no bedside man that there's fucking but um but your your dad had a lot of injuries yeah weren't his knee shot his hips what how many issues did he have i mean i think my dad That had 15 surgeries in his life.

From what? I mean, he was also an idiot when he was younger. I mean, he also was, you know, he rode motorcycles. He was a cowboy, a rodeo cowboy. He did all of his own stunts. I mean, every dumb thing you could do, I mean, when I say dumb, I mean, we all do. We don't learn from mistakes.

And I kind of looked up to that when I was a kid. I'm like, I want to have 11 surgeries. You know, like, I actually thought, like, that's what makes you a man, you know? You get a lot of surgeries. That's what makes you a pussy. That's what I've become a pussy. Really? Well, ultimately.

Can you say that? Can you say pussy now? Probably not. All right. But what I'm, what I, the difference is, my old man, he never, he never got to where we are, where he became cautious. He was still whiling out until he was in his 70s and early 80s. I mean, he did a back surgery that they told him, like, you can't do this surgery.

He's like, I'm going to do it, you know? And he would still, so I think the difference is I learned as we get older, we got to age a little bit. You know, I've been training Brazilian jiu-jitsu for 25, 30 years almost. I don't train the way I trained when I was in my 20s because if I did, I'd have more surgeries and I'd be more jammed up. But you got to, I think you've got to adjust and, you know, be the best 40 and be the best 50 and be the best 60. Not at 60 still trying to be 40. You know, that's when you get jammed up. I know.

I'm still playing ice hockey. Yeah, but you're smart, man. You don't, you don't do the same stupid shit. It's not like contact hockey. I don't like... Do you guys don't hit each other? Inadvertently, sometimes you accidentally... But you're not like slamming dudes against the boards.

Nothing like that. But it just gives... So you're playing like a little old man hockey. You know what, though? It's all young guys who are junior hockey players, guys that came out of the NHL. And it's fun. There's respect. We don't like jokers.

We don't like guys who don't know what the hell they're doing and they get their sticks up in your face. Right. Because they're not that good. Same thing with Jiu-Jitsu, man. And at this age, you, like, roll with dudes who, like, get it and want to, you know, not out there trying to, you know, win gold in the garage. That's the thing. If they're going after the go, they're going out, they're scoring in men's league's hot, men's league hockey. And that means everything to them, they shouldn't be playing with us.

Because we were talking about the other night, I scored this cool goal. And I don't, I don't brag. But it was, everybody was like, dude, what the fuck? And I was, and they're like, you're not going to celebrate? And I'm like, I learned not to do that in hockey. You don't ham it up. You just go, you got to be humble. You got to reserve it.

They don't like that shit. They don't like hot dogs. No, that's more gangster anyway. Like back in the day, remember dudes with score a touchdown? They just dropped the ball in the end zone. Oh, God. Now they're fucking making a dance. But I love that, man.

That was classy. You flipped the ball to the ref. Like, here, we've done this before. I'm going to do this again. Here. Not anymore. No, you score a goal and you act like it's the greatest thing in the world. Everyone's like, oh, it must be his first goal.

Yeah. That's true. I agree with that. What was it like? Well, you know, first of all, I want to talk about, like, you did 10. years on Hawaii 50 right yeah yeah I remember talking to you and going back and forth Hawaii is by the way like five six hour flight yeah was that a good time in your life was it one of those things where you're like you you liked it for a while and then you were like sort

of felt like you were done because I kind of felt like that in Smallville and but you had this contract and like for me I had you I'd finish it out I had to do my work I had what was it like being on a show for that long and knowing like I've done this I've said this we've done because it's got to get redundant Yeah, man, ups and downs. Like, you know, looking back, it was a great time. I got to live in Hawaii. One of my daughters was raised in Hawaii a little bit.

Like, there's, you know, a lot of positives, but there are a lot of negatives too. You know, as an actor, if you do the same thing for 10 years, it's like everybody's seen everything you got. You know, it's like we came up looking at actors who you'd see maybe they do two movies a year. You know, look at, you know, I mean, someone like Leonardo Caprio, he does a movie every couple years. Every time he comes out the box with like this new thing. Like, you're seeing stuff you ain't ever seen. If he did a show for 10 years, it's like, we've seen everything you got, you know? Yeah.

So it's like, it's hard to not become schick. Like, it's like, oh, he's doing schick, you know? It's like, I'm doing a new show now. And I'm like, God, I wonder, I'd like it to be as far away as possible as that other role. But it's still me. Like, you've seen my whole bag of tricks. Yeah, but there's an exception. And it's also a lot of luck.

somebody like Brian Cranston he did Malcolm in the middle and you're like oh it's a goofy guy and then you see him and you're like whoa he transformed but to your point he didn't show all that stuff yeah but you know

Hollywood I feel like does not have a giant imagination right like I did a procedural show for 10 years what's the first thing I get offered another procedural cop show yeah so how Brian Cranston was able to be Malcolm in the middle

and then turn into a breaking bat Wayne no whatever what was his name in barking bad Walter White Walter White um Wayne White Walter White uh Wayne you know that's that's rare you know so he he was able to I mean I remember I didn't watch Malcolm in the middle uh but I just remember people being the guy from Malcolm the middle is doing this it's like yeah man he's an actor like he's meant to do that's the

thing but studios are the same way yeah the same way as regular people which is yeah which is why if you can write or you do have, you know, if you can can produce or you can direct, if you got as an actor, like, I think that that's the only way you're going to tell them, hey, I can do something else is if you do it yourself. Yeah. And yeah, so anyway, there were pluses and minuses. I mean, also, you know, I didn't know what a procedural television show was when I signed on to do that. I had no idea. I, I, I thought it was going to be one thing and then it was something else. So, um, but overall I look back at it as, you know, a blessing and, you know, it was good

from, you know, I became a, I got married. I became a family man over there and I, you know, I love to surf. I love jiu-jitsu. Like the culture over there fit me perfectly. But then at the same time, I miss home. I miss New York. I miss going, you know, doing movies. You know, I didn't do a movie for 10 years. That's crazy. Oh, because you were working. That was working. Nine months of years. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, man, I definitely look back at it as something great, but there was parts of it that were shitty, you know. Do you, are you one of those actors who just loves to work? You don't care exactly. As long as you're on set and you know, as long as you're acting, are you happy? Or are you like, hey, I want the content to be something that I could actually be proud of or do we, you kind of fluctuate? Because you got also have a family and all that stuff. Yeah. I mean, listen, I've changed a lot. It used to be, I never wanted to do something I didn't love.

But then you realize, man, this is a business and I got to make a living. So sometimes you got to do something you don't love. But as much as I'd like to think that I'd be happy not having to work and be retired, there's no way. You know, I'd last two weeks a month before I'd be like, I've got to get back to it. We're creative people, man. We're not meant to retire. I think when I'm 80, if I've made all the money in the world and I'm chilling and I don't need a doctor, I don't need anything. I'm still going to be hungry to work. Right. And, you know, and the money is,

you know, I didn't care about money when I was, when in our 20s, I was like, I didn't need much, you know, as long as I can pay the rent and eat, you know, decent food. But now it's like, there's things I like to do with my family and I want to travel and I want to travel nice and I want to go here and I want to go here. And it's like all that stuff costs money. So I think it's like, you know, it's a balance. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. If you want to save money, then listen to me because I use this. Ryan uses as so many people use Rocket Money.

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I don't know why, but would I like to have his career? Yeah. There's only one of him, you know what I mean? Like, not everybody gets to just pick what they want to do. You know, a lot of people I did this. I'm doing another procedural show. So I was like, why would you do another cop show? I'm like, because that's what they offered me.

And I needed the money. Like, it's called Alert. It's on Fox. How many seasons? We've done one. We're about to start a second season in July. But yeah, man, why did you do that? Well, because it was the best version of what they were asking me to do.

Like, you know, they didn't say. You want to work? They didn't, I didn't get off a Y5O and they didn't go, hey, do you want to start in the new Scorsesey movie? Like, that didn't happen. I would have said yes, you know. Maybe, yeah. But, yeah, man.

Back to my point about I said studios are sort of like every man. They're not because the difference is, is the folks, the real folks out there who watch our movies, watch our TV shows. When they love someone, they are so supportive and they, you know, they want to see you work. They want to see you work. But the studios are like, he did that. no not the fact that you were great it was a great show people loved you none of that matters right it's just a matter of you know it's it's it's much harder now it's definitely harder now with um you know i talk about this every episode about all the streamers i don't i mean i mean chick fillet has a streamer

out now what do you mean they make they're making content good for them chick fillet yeah by the way if they got the paper i'll show up i mean right would you do a chick filet it's true but now nowadays is like I think there's some ego with me where, you know, I want to, if you're going to do something, you want to be seen. I don't want to just do something and nobody sees me. I've done plenty of those projects. So you want to do something that has the most, the biggest chance of success in terms of feeding your hunger of acting and that people will receive and you could maybe make an impact and do something. Yeah.

I mean, what's worse than putting your heart and everything into something and no one sees it? That sucks. We've all done that. Man, oh my God, have we done that? Yeah, you know. But, you know, at the end of the day. What are you looking at? You're looking at my shit?

You and Steve Martin. Yeah. I was, yeah, I wore a terrible wig. See, the problem when I was bald is I started getting some movie offers, but I was bald, and they gave me the worst fucking wigs. Wigs have gotten good now. Not now, but they were so bad. And so I did a couple movies.

And then I was just like, I'm not sorority boys. The wig was fucking an atrocity. What is that movie called? Bringing down the house with Steve Martin, it was terrible. But I got to work with Steve Martin. I didn't care. He was great. I got to make him laugh and he made me laugh and I learned from him.

One thing was cool was watching Steve Martin at the end of every take, going to the monitor and going, oh, yeah, I can go bigger there. I can do this. And watching what he could do. Where a lot of actors are like, no, I don't want to see the monitor. I think it's different with drama. You don't want to go watch yourself, like on, you know, how do you feel about that?

Are you sort of removed from that? Like, I don't need to see it as good. It depends. It depends. Definitely, if I'm into the thing that I did, I want to see it. But I've watched at a 280-something episodes of Hawaii 5-0. I've watched maybe four of them. And I just did a season of a show, 10 episodes I haven't seen a frame.

Not because I didn't like it. I just, I don't see how it's going to help. Help you. It's not going to help me. If I don't like it, it's going to bum me out. And then it's going to bring that with me. And if I do like it, it's not going to do much for me. I'm going to go, all right.

So I generally, I'm going to watch it if it's something I want to watch. That makes sense. Yeah. How does it feel? Because I've always known you not to be like a, not to say you weren't a family guy, but you were like, you know, you've got a photography book. That's awesome. I love that book.

Thank you, man. You going to do another one? I did another one. I have two of them. But no, not anymore. What was the first one called? Volume one. Oh, tough, tough title.

Yeah. And then the second one is called Vanity. But I'm not shocked, but like I always knew you as a photographer, always taking pictures. Yeah, yeah. And I was just like, wow, he's all so good at that. Oh, thank you. So you have two, you have two volumes? Well, volume one was just the title, but volume one and then the other one's called vanity. But yeah, but I don't shoot photos anymore. Why?

I don't know, man. I think when I was shooting, I was shooting film and when did. digital photography and phone cameras, camera phones became like a big thing. I still think that that's an art and I think that people take great photos with their phones or digital. It just, it wasn't what excited me about photography. Like when I was taking photos, I loved traveling and having roles of film and not knowing if I exposed it properly, not knowing if when I come home waiting to see what I get out

of the dark room. Like, that's part of what I really loved about it. Having only 32 shots, you know, to get what you want, a hundred, running and, you know, running around and only getting one snap of something that you liked. Now digital turned into this thing where it's like, let's take 50 and one of them will be good or and then it was also a medium like I didn't understand it. Like I literally, it took me years to figure out how to shoot a film camera and how to make it work and how to understand exposures and F stops and shutter speeds and like it took me a while to

learn that. And then digital was like a whole new program that I didn't understand. So I just decided, hey, you know, I'm, I'm. I did it the way I wanted to do it, and I'm not, I'm no longer interested the way I was. So I guess that means I was never really a real photographer. I, if you see guys go get these books or take a look at them because they're, they're fantastic. I wouldn't say that, man. They're just, they're just, they're epic.

Thank you, but like, you know, but why can't you still do old school? I, I, I don't know. I totally could. I just, I guess the passion's not there. You have a family, you have acting, career producing on it. It's not even that. Yeah, it was like my lifestyle at the time really was, you know, it was easier. It was easier and I was traveling by myself.

I didn't have anybody else to worry about. I mean, you asked like, you know, you never would imagine that I'd be a family man. I didn't either, man. Like the way I grew up in my 20s, I mean, I should be, I could have been a serial killer or locked up or something crazy. But, you know, now, man, I love my family.

Like I really like my wife a lot, which blows my mind. I'd never, if you told me 20 years ago, I'd be in a happy relationship. I'd have told you no chance, you know? But I'm happy. my life. I love my kids. I like being with my kids. You know, it's hard going away. I used to love going on location. It was like my favorite thing in the world to go just be somewhere else for three months now. I hate it. You're an old school guy where, uh, I mean, look, back when you

grew up, I mean, you had a movie star as a dad. Yeah. It's no secret. Yeah. I mean, you know, I talked to Kiefer about it and, you know, he said some things about, you know, growing, because it's got to be different. I had a dysfunctional family and for many different reasons. And, um, but what was it like growing up that you could recall was it was he was always working no he didn't work a ton um when i was growing up he um i mean i look my dad was he wasn't you're a common no like a normal actor guy you know he was really good at everything he was an amazing athlete he was good on a motorcycle he was a cowboy he he he was he was he was he could play any instrument, he picked up anything and could get good at it.

He was like a, not a mimic, but like if you should, if he saw someone doing something, he could pick that thing up and he could do it. He was, you know, I wouldn't even say Jack of All Trades because he was really good at all of everything, you know? He was like a master at a lot of different things. And to me, him being an actor was just something else that he was good at. You know what I mean? To me, he wasn't like an actor.

He was just somebody who was really, really. really tough, really handsome, really smart, girls liked him. He was good at everything, like being- That's gotta be hard for you as a kid, my dad does everything. How am I gonna aspire to? No, I mean, I think it made me wanna do, be good at stuff. And you know, he used to tell me like, he'd say, if you're gonna do something, be the best at it, or don't do it.

And I think, you know, if you say that today, people are like, don't tell your kid that, you know, blah, blah, blah, like, he was like first places, Second place is the first loser. You know what I'm saying? That's how he was. Right. And I really appreciate that. And I don't think that that's like accepted today.

And no, it wasn't hard. It was really something awesome to look up to. So to answer your question, to me, he wasn't an actor. He wasn't working a ton when I was younger. But when he did, it was just something else that he did really well to me. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. You had a respect for him.

Yeah. He was, as far as I was. concerned, he could have played shortstop for the Yankees. Do you know what I mean? Or he could have been a professional professional rodeo cowboy. He was, you know, he could ride dirt bikes. I mean, he just was good at stuff. So I mean, in the movie Roller Ball, did he really learn how to do all that stuff? A thousand percent. A thousand percent. That's crazy. And like, yeah, he was, he, you know, he, he, he wasn't an actor to me is what I'm getting at. Did he have? I mean, He has this innate intensity about him that you're just, you watch him and you want to listen

to him. Yes, he was that intense. Was he intense with you? Yeah. I mean, my dad didn't never have to. I mean, you know, maybe he gave me a whack once or twice. It would all been whack. But he never had to. He just look at me funny. I was like, okay. My mom too. My mom was tough. Like my mom, you know, whatever. She looked at me sideways and I just did what she said. I mean, you know, I never, I never, we don't scare our kids, you know, today. Like, but I was, scared of both of my parents in a healthy way, I feel like. Yeah. You know, but you know what?

They also, you know, I don't want to sit here and talk them both up like they were got. They were both fucked up a ton. You know what I mean? Flod and made mistakes. And it was a different time. But anyway, to answer your question, he would, I just, I felt like I got to grow up with someone who had a lot of amazing qualities to look up to. And now as I get older, the qualities that weren't worth looking up to,

we're also a lesson. You know what I mean? That was going to be my question, right? But yeah, he's a, he was like a, he was like watching a hero's tale and a cautionary tale at the same time and getting the best out of both. And I think, man, that's all we can do, right? Like, get the best, you know, I try to tell my daughter, she was like, this kid was mean to me yesterday.

I'm like, look, how that kid treated you. All you can do in life is see how people do things, how it makes you feel and decide whether or not you want to make people feel that way or, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's great advice. And just like, you know. You don't have to be that way. Right. Yeah, you don't have to do that.

Or you can choose to do that. Do you let, you know, if, you know, you want to make people feel that way, you can do that. I hope you don't. But, you know, everything's, if we're smart, everything is either something to live up to or push or stay away from. And I think my parents were so black and white in that way that I was able to learn the good and be like, ooh, I'm not going to do that, you know. Yeah, see, my father never, he had never admitted to all. all the shit that he had done he never wanted me to know about his drinking and the drugs and the women and all that he he he so he lied to me yeah he made it like he was perfect yeah maybe

the how he i don't know in his way he was trying to protect me and what it did was kind of make me go what the fuck so i have to be perfect yeah i guess you're perfect dad right because was your dad the james con if you don't know who the but that's true that's that's that's that's a that's um I think that's two things. I mean, not to analyze your father in your relationship, but I feel like there's there was definitely a thing. And I think that generation of those dudes who they didn't really look back and go, oh, what did I do wrong?

Or how can I fix this? Or like therapy wasn't big when your old man was a kid, nor when my man was a kid. Like, I approach things now. And I go like, okay, what was my part in that? They didn't do that shit. you know what I mean my dad would be like I did a little cocaine I'm like come on dude come on come on come on you did a little coke you know what I'm saying so it's like it wasn't to

protect me it was like that was the mechanism of those people I feel like to be like ah that's it's in the past let's not even go there like you know what I mean understandable yeah so I think that and also there's you know what you were saying too there's I'm sure there's some some issues and of course bad shit behind it too but for the most part it's just a different kind of What do you say, Scotty? I love you. Of course. Always felt that.

Of 100%. See, that's... And his father never told him he loved him. He knew he loved him. My dad used to tell... I don't want to make this whole thing about my own man. No, it's not. It's like five minutes.

But he used to tell me the story about his father. My grandfather was a monster. I mean, and I mean that in a beautiful way. He was a tough, tough, tough dude. His hands were like the size of... His fingers looked like cigars. I mean, he was just a tough... He was a butcher.

He owned a butcher shop in Manhattan. And he was just a packed meat all day long. I mean, he was just a big, tough Jew. You know what I mean? And he would never say, I love you to my father. He took his belt off every night, put it on the table. If anybody moved, they got a whack. I mean, he was a tough, tough, tough dude.

Never said I love you. And then one day, my dad grew up thinking, like, hey, I guess my father just doesn't love me or whatever. And then my dad started getting successful. getting successful. And he would say, pop, what do you think of this? And his dad would be like, yeah, you know, whatever. And then one day, some dude that was with my own, my grandfather in a bar pulled my dad aside and go, I just want you to know that your dad was just in there talking you up to everybody for hours. My son's this. My son's that. My son's this. My talking him up.

I love me. He's the best. He's the best this. So he just didn't do it in front of him. And that was, that's like, that was my dad, one of the highlights of his life here in this dude, tell him that behind his back, his father would talk him up in the bar every night. Do you know what I mean? It sounds exactly like my father. So, you know, my dad knew his father loved him. So anyway, going back to like, you know, Heroes Tale or Cautionary Tale, like my dad realized, you know what, I'm not going to do that with my kid.

I'm going to tell my kid I love him every day, which is something that he did. Because he learned from his, from his old man. Anyway. What's your favorite part that he's done? Thief. That's the number one. 100%. Was he nominated for that?

No, of course not. But today he would be. Today it would have been. Yeah, that was like a normal, you know, that was just like, oh, there's a good movie. Rollerball, gambler. He should have been nominated for all three of them. All of them. Rollerball is still ahead of its time.

I love Rollerball. What a fucking great movie. I think they were trying to remake it or something. They did remake it. It was dog shit. But if you put rollerball out today, I still think it's ahead of its time. I mean, that's how good it was. It was.

You got to see Roller Ball, Ryan. Thief, too, man. To me is Michael Man. best movie, I think. Did you make your wife watch all your movies or his movies or do you want to educate her at all in the beginning? Like, hey, if you don't know my dad, you got to see these movies. It's funny.

When I met my wife, she was like already obsessed with elf. She's like, I love that. He's great. I cry at elf every freaking time. Whenever people meet me and they go, oh, your dad's the guy in elf. I'm like, no, no, that's not. My dad's a godfather. My dad's thief.

Yeah, yeah. Well, that's nice to know because a lot of times. when you have the tough dad and you see that in the world like i'm getting hot can i take yeah please take you take it all up but i think people perceive you at or your your pops as like you know he's he was probably hardcore and i'm i even wonder i was like i wonder if you know he wasn't there was i'm learning all these things that are nice to know that like wow you had this deep respect for him and i bet you got closer towards the end of course right yeah i mean there was a you know there was a big stretch where we weren't close but yeah at the end of his life we

definitely got close again and um when i was younger man he was you know from born to 10 that was like my my road dog you know i mean i went everywhere with him and then you know things happen you know how was i mean honestly how was it how did you do it because i know you kind of just went away for a while when he passed was that like i didn't go well instagram i don't have instagram okay let's say this out loud that's a funny fucking account okay whoever that guy is he's a scumbag I'm going to stop following him. Don't follow him. He really, someone sent me that.

He wrote, I need to go away. Da-da-da-da-da. Yeah, that's not me. I don't have an Instagram account. No, but it's okay that you think that. But it's a bummer to me that someone, you know, he posts pictures. But this is official. No, and he posts pictures of my dead friends and writes, miss you, buddy.

Like, I want, you know, like, I don't want to be violent, but like, this dude deserves to get slapped to the mouth. I've tried. Instagram won't even take him down. Watch on, I'm, uh, it obviously gets me pissed off. But anyway, I didn't go anywhere. No, that's some dude flexing like he's me. Well, how did he's a crumble?

Well, how did, I mean, how did, how did you deal with it? How did I deal with death? Yeah, with the passing of your father. I'm okay with death, man. Death doesn't fuck me up. I mean, it doesn't. No, it was expected. It was sort of like you were.

Yeah, I mean, it was, listen, man, you know, he wasn't happy at the end of his life and he was having a rough time. And, you know, part of it was. I don't want to say a relief, but relief that he wouldn't have to suffer anymore, you know? It's like, you know, it's like he's a, he was like a, like a quarter horse who couldn't run anymore, you know what I mean? Or like a thorough bed, better, better yet a thoroughbred who couldn't run anymore. It's like it's, that's no, you know, he spent his whole life being active and running around and then he's like jammed up for the last few years of his life.

It's hard to watch, you know. But, but yeah, man, I think, I think, I think, important to be, um, to get older and understand and we all got to deal with death, man. And I think it's a hard thing for me. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like I'm not to bring it up again, but I said, hey, your your dog passed, you know, like, and you were like, oh, thanks for bringing that. I was like, that was like, no, no, I know you were, but I know it, it was, it was hard. It's like, man, I had a dog that was, I love that we're talking about dogs now. But, uh, you know, as hard as it is to lose someone that was so.

massive and so important. And it was time, man. You know, he wasn't living a good life anymore. You know, same thing with my mom, man. When she passed, it was like she wasn't living a good life anymore. Right. Neither was my dog. That's why I brought it up.

And I didn't want to compare my parents to my dog. But I had, you know, you remember I had the greatest dog of all time, I think. When that dog died, I'd never been sadder in my life. Yeah. But I was ready. And I was like, she can't walk anymore. Like, I'm not. I'm not. This is a dog that jumps in the air and catches balls. Like, well, you know, I feel like, you know, we, we put dogs to sleep. That's the nice thing to do. We don't do that with people. We keep them alive and keep alive and keep them to Oregon. Right, right. And I'm going to do that. All right. But yeah, we like keep people alive and, you know, we got to, we got to be able to understand and be okay with death or we're going to be messed up later in life. And I think, you know, not even not even talking about my old man, but.

I think some people, like I said, you know, when you're 70, you've got to be 70, man. You can't try to still be 40 because you're not going to be ready for, we're all, it's coming for all of us. We're all dying. We're all dying. And I do it too, man. Like I, we spend our whole lives trying to be successful so that we can enjoy our lives. And now I'm successful and I'm like, oh, I wish I was 30 so I can enjoy more years of this.

But it don't work that way. We've got to work real hard to get to a point and then you get what you want. And then it's like, shit, the clock's ticking, man. Who are you? What do you mean? I mean, I just think you have this maturity, this innate maturity about you of life and, like, just dealing with things. It's like I can understand now you're married with a kid, you're a good father. Yeah.

You just seem like, it's not that you were, I didn't really know you that well. Yeah. But I just, your perspective on things is just like, I want to feel that way. What are you doing? Do you go to therapy? 20 years. Okay, good. 20 years in.

Yeah, we go to therapy too. I got Ryan in the therapy. What do you mean? couples therapy? No, no, we're not a couple. We should, though. We should be a couple. But what do you mean? You go to therapy separately? No, what? You go to therapy together? Who? No, and Ryan, I got Ryan into therapy. Oh, you got him into therapy. Yeah, man, look, if you're, look, if you drove me to therapies when he's trying to do. I got it. I got it. If you're, if you're, if you're blessed and you got the means to see a therapist and you don't, you, that's a, that's a goofy mistake, man. If you think all

your problems are solved and you can figure them out or you can figure out yourself, you're wrong. You're just fucking wrong. I agree, man. I agree. My dad won't do it. He's like, you know what he said to me when my sister passed? He said, do you think anybody, I could relate to anybody? Like they understand how I feel losing a daughter. And I go, yeah.

People lose their entire families and car crashes and planes and cancer and you're not alone. Right. Go listen to other people and know you're not alone. And how are they getting through it? Yeah. He just, not for him. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't for my old man either.

he never went to therapy he tried but he you know he he would go i'm dealing with this i'm dealing with this i'm dealing with that i go go see my therapist he go see my therapist and he go it didn't help i'm like hold on it just doesn't happen in an hour it took me 10 years in therapy to go like oh now i'm figuring out my therapist told me the same thing 15 times 20 30 50 60 70 times and i'm like oh now i hear what you're saying then i forget it and he's got to tell it to me again a year later you know i mean It's a, I keep a time, I don't care if I'm in, you know, Morocco for six months. I'll keep my time and I'll call in when I can, but I'm not letting my time up, you know. And you notice when you're not going to therapy.

I don't not go to therapy. You just go. Yeah. You've got that disciplined. Yeah. And sometimes we're sitting around talking about, you know, nothing. But, you know, it's, I don't know. I think it's helpful.

and I think we're all, we're all screwed up a little bit. I'm just lucky to be able to, to have a therapist, but, but yeah, I don't know. Where are we going? No, this is, this is great. By the way, I know you haven't listened to the podcast, but like, believe it or not, I didn't, I didn't do this podcast at first. I thought, oh, you're going to make some money, but that's not true. You don't, and it takes a long time.

And the reason people started listening was, I think, because I started opening up, guests started opening up just to, and it helps, you wouldn't believe how this conversation will, help so many people. Oh, that's good to know. It's, Ryan. Yeah. Yeah, that's the whole point. Yeah.

It's the whole point. And I get so many people to come up to me and other actors and like, and I'm like so surprised that just being vulnerable, just saying, hey, there's my story. You take what you want from it. So I appreciate that. Oh, yeah, of course. But like you've done, I'm not going to sit here and name it, but you've done tons of movies, tons of TV.

You've produced. You've directed. You write. I remember you wrote a script. I think it was your script. It might have been Michael Malley's when I went up to your house. And it was, you asked me to read with you and Giovanni Ribisi and Michael Malley. Do you remember that?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Was it a play? I think it was a play. Yeah. Did you write it? I think so. I think you wrote it.

Yeah, yeah. Because you're pretty prolific. I assumed it was you. But like all these things that you've done, you've been around royalty, right? Like, who's someone that you got to know a little more than just like, oh, hey, and they remember you? Like, did you get to hang out with Jack Nicholson a lot? Did you get to hang out with any big guys that you're a little star-struck?

I mean, as a kid? As a kid? No, man. My dad had me around cowboys. Never actors. Bikers. Yeah. Hollywood, you know, that he used to tell me they're all goofs, you know.

He didn't have any holl. Bobby Duvall, that was his one buddy. And that's one dude I remember as a kid seeing around. And that was his friend. He was somebody. He knew you. You were around. Yeah.

That was somebody he respected. And, you know, but my dad, I think he used to, he didn't, I don't know if he gave like Hollywood a good enough chance, you know, because he was like a tough kid from the Bronx, grew up in Queens, and he just came out here and he thought, these guys, you know, this is a bunch of, you know, fonies, right? So that's why he went into rodeo. That's why he hung out with, you know, bikers. And that's why he is so rare. He was closer to the stuntmen than he was the actors. Do you know what I mean? His best friends on the movies were the stuntmen. So I didn't know. There was not a lot of actors that I met when I was a kid aside from Bobby DeVall.

But yeah, he was, and I think he's wrong because in my experience, I met some great, great people in this business. Who are some of the great people you've met that you really like call friends? I mean, honestly, man, I've never, I don't, the most talented people I've met are always the nicest people. Isn't that true? It's crazy. And I used to think, like, you know, like coming onto the set of Oceans 11, I thought,

like, all right, someone's going to be a jerk. Yeah. I mean, I was blown away. I mean, I was 25 years old coming on there with a chip on my shoulder, like, oh, someone's going to be a goof here. I mean, from Cheatel to Matt Damon to Brad Pitt to George Clinton to Elliot Gould, like, you can't decide who's a better guy. They're all such good dudes.

You know what I mean? They're all so talented. And, oh, Elliot Gould, that's another one. I grew up around Elliot, yeah. He was cool? Yeah, my dad and Elliot were close. And I grew up with Elliot's son, a kid named Sam. we were always friends and so yeah

Elliot and Duval I guess those are the two those are big ones those are big ones uh what was it like working with Paul Walker do you remember it did you work? Yeah man that was my man I uh you know I met Paul at a reading we did varsity blues and I did a reading with him and the whole cast

and it was the first time I met him we did a reading at the Red Lion Hotel in Austin and they said hey you know there's only one car per two cast members. And we, you know, I knew that he surfed and I surfed. I'm like, hey, you want to share a car? He's like, yeah, let's share a car. That day we were doing like donuts in the car. By the end of that day, we got an apartment together. And by the end of the shoot, we were best friends, training jujitsu together, you know, wow. Like he was, he was my, that was like the first actor

friend of mine, like that we were tight, tight, tight. And then, you know, my relationship with Paul was always, we didn't have to see each other for a year and then we'd pick up right where we left off. You know, we did that other movie together into the blue and he was always, he was, I feel like we had a lot in common, man. He was a, he was a down-to-earth dude. Well, not to say that I'm a down-to-earth dude, but I mean, we just liked a lot of the same stuff. And he was a no-bullshit, non-hollywood type of dude. I mean, he's, I still, till the day he died, I'm pretty sure he never really turned his cell phone on, you know? I'm sure. Really? I mean, you know, he like, he was always the guy that his agent was trying to find and couldn't find. He was off on a camping

trip. He didn't give a shit about Hollywood. He didn't care about Hollywood at all, at all. That's why you liked him, I think, too, a big part of it probably. But I mean, listen, I liked him. He was like into motorcycles and cars and jujitsu and he was scrappy. And that's another thing people don't know about Paul Walker. He was a tough, tough, tough kid. You don't want to fight Paul Walker. You didn't want to fight Paul Walker. You didn't want to fight him. He's so pretty that you'd think that he's soft. But that dude, he was the first to jump out of the car if there was a beef. He was the first to go protect a woman if she was getting mistrial.

Like, I remember a story where he was at a bar down south and some dude was like pushing his girl around. And the dude was like this big bodybuilder dude and was like, you know, what are you got to say pretty boy? And Paul knocked him out and broke his arm. You know what I mean? Like he was a tough, tough dude. Wow. And I never hear that stuff. It's the truth, man.

he was you didn't you know you i mean ask anybody who really knew him he was he was a he was a real one man and it's funny because he just looked so he was so good looking and he you know you wouldn't expect you wouldn't expect it but he was a he was a tough dude man he was a good dude it's a bummer um it was a real that's like that was a shock that one stuck me because he had a lot more to do and you know but anyway all you can think of is i guess in those moments is hey he always played by his rules it was his he had a good life yeah man he did he did for that's that's what you you hope for for sure for sure but he um yeah man that's just a drag and shitty thing that happened that shouldn't happen because anyway yeah um all right this is uh called shit talking

with scott con these are just the patrons the top tier patrons they get to ask questions they support the podcast they're awesome patron dot com slash inside you thanks for supporting the show uh rapid fire You ready for rapid fire? If you feel like answering something, you're like, I've been ready the whole time. Let me just rapid fire. Wait, I don't understand. It's rapid fire. I'm going to give you a question and answer fast.

Okay, go. Or you can take your time. Okay. Kyle F. What do you miss about Hawaii 50? Kyle F. Kyle F. Kyle F.

Kyle F. The lifestyle being in Hawaii, you know, he's walking around with no shoes and surfing. Jits of the culture there. I really like the culture there. Stone Age. How fun was it to film Gone in 60 Seconds with Nicholas Cage and the rest of that great cast? fantastic movie. No, yes, it was fantastic, had a blast, and it was one of those, you know, set-ups where

you're like, is this what movies are like? And it's not, but- Is he cool? Nick cannot be a cooler guy. Come on. I know I keep sounding like I'm just talking everybody up, but that's what I mean. Like, super talented, super smart, super nice, and great to be around, funny. Like, imagine all of his goofball characters that he's played. That's kind of who he is, man.

He's just like a fun. Favorite Nick Role, Nick Cage Roll, Raising Airs. 100% yeah nico p what was it like being a roadie for cypress hill in house of pain that's the next time you're on we're gonna talk about that okay um uh i mean listen man i dropped out of high school and went on a tour bus of cypress hill and house of pain when i was 16 years old there's i mean i are you still friends would be real yeah of course i text him every once in a while we met a few times and he's like yeah he was he's cool he would text me here yeah i mean i that's that he will always be like my big brother i mean i haven't talked to him in years but like if he called me right now and

said, hey, I need you to do this. I'd be there in two seconds. Yeah, man, time on my I'm 16 living on a tour bus with the biggest rap group in the world. How much pot was there on that trip? I mean, we would get it sent. First of all, the tour was sponsored by graphics. Remember graphics bongs? We would get, this is before 9-11. We would get like a detergent box, like a box of tide, and they'd open the box of tide, put like five ounces of weed in a, in a, you know, like good weed because we'd be in the middle of the country where there was shit weed we'd have weed fedexed in this is before obviously way before weed was legal in in detergent boxes and so like there was always just ounces of nobody ever got in trouble no because it was you know in the in the what do you

call lian when you told your dad you wanted to be an actor what was his reaction any pieces of a device he gave you yeah he the last thing he wanted me to do was being actually he was bummed yeah he thought it was going to be a you know baseball player or something like that you're a good baseball player he thought so you were you're very humble i was okay what position shortstop yeah yeah but i was okay i and a catcher i caught and played shortstop you ever want to play softball me and my friends i used to play in a softball league non-stop yeah i used to play in its really fun game and then i just lost interest well we do co-ed so maybe you and the wife it's fun no one's great yeah i'll do that will yeah i mean is it like a league where you have to show up it's like hey saturday at one we're

playing for an hour i gotta tell you man it's that that's another one of the of those things like I don't know how to play light and that's one of those things like I will show up and play hard and I will tear my ACL just like stupid shit just like but that's what I mean I like cut out the things like I used to skate pools every day I would go skate pools or go to Supreme and skate the bullet Supreme or go skate but you go I go I don't know how to you know my wife's like let's go snowboarding I'm like I don't want to go easy I want to blast 20 foot tabletops like I you know what I mean so I don't know how to play light well we'll make you bad opposite handed okay then you could be go as hard as you want yeah is there a fence no well see i just want a fence

so i can hit it out and then just walk around you could jack them yeah yeah yeah she said or he said or they said they also charlie and c varsity blues top 10 favorite movies of all time first time you worked we talked about paul walker how much did you love playing charlie tweeter and what did you love most well never mind that just that question uh i mean still my you know my most my most fun i've ever had making a movie. I mean, I was, am I supposed to be, they supposed to be rapid fire like quick answers? If you want, it doesn't have to be though. Yeah, I never, I didn't go to college. I didn't finish high school. So when I got to Texas, they set it up so we were like almost like a college dorm. And we had all these athletes from Texas that didn't make it to the pros that

came and played with us. So to me, that was like college for me. We would, I mean, I had cheerleaders sleeping on my couch. I had football players sleeping in my apartment, me and Paul. Hall's apartment. The second half of the movie was all nights. And we shot all the football stuff. The last 40 days of the movie were all night. So we would literally go play football all night, go eat together in the morning, jump in the lake, get on speedboats, then like go eat breakfast, work out, and sleep for six hours

and go back to work. So it was like the most fun I ever had in my life. I mean, you really have lived a good life. I have, man. I've been lucky, man. Jesus. Yeah. Last question, Nathan, Jay.

Do you still keep in touch with the oceans gang anytime? to bring the crew back for another heist you know the the boss of that movie was jerry wyantraub and he passed so i don't think that that'll ever happen i know people rumor and talk about it um still close with chito um and i think all those dudes is family like i haven't seen george cluny in four five six years but if i bumped into him be like where you going can i come you know what i mean so he's that kind of guy he is man all of them you know i actually saw brad a couple months ago and I hadn't seen him in years and it was like you know just you know still good like brothers isn't that refreshing Ryan they know like the big guys the big stars are all nice people

it's always the guys that are trying to prove themselves man that's true I or you know they do a TV show and they think you know or you know that's it they're you know you know I yeah yeah I mean it's I feel like there's you see someone in that position who's a dick he's probably insecure You know. Oh, it's always insecurity. One day as a lion is out everywhere now. And you have to see it. It's an amazing, I mean, amazing cast. Frank Grillo, J.K. Simmons. You, I mean, this is like, if you love Tarantino and the Cone brothers and a little mix, you like a little funny, but a little drama and like surprises. It's a fun. Rud. Rund. Rud. It's a fun. It's a Paul Rud. It's a Paul Rud. It's a Paul Rud. No, it's really fun, man. It's like, I hope people see this because there's, you know, the thing is there's so many choices out there. You know, it's like, Oh, what do I watch? What do I watch? But I think after they listen to this interview, they're going to go, hey, I want to go see this. That's right. You know what I mean?

And I know my patrons will check it out. And I'm just happy for you, man. You're living the dream. You're doing what you want. You have a family. What's next? Season two for alert. Season two.

And then I have a couple shows I've been trying to get on, you know, a couple TV shows. I wrote, man, during COVID, I wrote a whole season of a show about a stunt family. that I'm trying to get on. I wrote a show about a MMA family that I'm trying to get on. So hopefully one day they'll let me make a TV show. Do you write every day? When I'm writing.

How frustrated do you get when you don't? Because I've written a lot of things and very few of them have sold. Me too. One has been made. How do you deal with that? Or are you just like, hey, I'm just gonna keep doing. It's not gonna stop me.

Yeah, keep going. And then also think about all those things that you, you know, I wrote a movie in, 2002 that we made in 2007 so five years yeah well they say that about like um dodgeball took them like 14 years to get that thing made that's what I'm saying man so anything that you've written you can always punch it back up make it better or you know someone will make it as it so I think of all the things not all of them but most of the things I've written a ton man I mean I got I know ever since I known you've been writing and so you know one day someone might go hey you got to

something like this and I go what about this and they go hey let's make it I mean there's you know I don't know there's a writer strike coming up I got a season of television all you got to do is push play you know so and you just wrote this movie the one that's out the one that's done we made that one day's the line I'm just saying you made it so you wrote it and made it that's right there you go yeah I love it this has been a treat at first I was like I don't know if he's want to talk about this I don't know he's gonna talk about that this is this is awesome man thank you this is really great I appreciate you coming yeah man thanks you don't do a lot of these no i've done maybe three of them ever i think so what what do you want what's the end

game like what what what would make scott con absolutely fulfilled do you think you're insatiable or do you think that there's something out there like if i get a show that i created that i wrote and i can make that yeah but but then when that's over i'm going to want to do it a different way right You can't... Insatiable. But not insatiable. I feel like that's like almost negative, right? We're creative people.

Like I said in the beginning, if you're... If you gave me everything I wanted, a hit TV show that I created and starred in and, you know, had all my friends in. And, you know, if I'm done then, then I'm kind of like... It's like... Giving up. Giving up a little bit. It's like with acting, you know, if you ever feel like that was it, then... or I figured it out, then it's time to quit.

You know, like, I still learn about acting every time I'm like, oh, shit, I didn't know this or that, and you learn stuff. What if you just kind of lose your passion for something? Like, I did. I lost my passion for shooting photos. Right. I haven't written a play. I mean, I used to write a play every year, no matter what.

I haven't written a play in three years. So. Well, what about, hypothetically, it won't happen. But like, let's say, you're like, I just don't really love being on set anymore. I don't. I don't, I don't love acting as much. I don't. You don't.

Uh-uh. I don't love acting the way I used to. You could quit. I don't want to quit. Why? I mean, two-part. I mean, A, it's how I make a living. But you've made enough to make a living.

You're good. Ten years on a show. Not really. No? No, man. Not really. I mean, yeah, to live. Comfortably.

In a certain way. But, I mean, like I said, I still want to travel. I want to do this. But your kids through college. All that stuff, man. You know, I want to do all that. I want my wife to sit in the front of the plane. You know what I mean?

Like I want to go places and, you know. I hear you. No, that makes sense. Yeah, but I do it because I get paid to do it. But if someone would pay me the same amount to write and be a creator and not act, maybe I wouldn't act. I don't know. Right. And look, I don't hate it.

Right. It's a lot better than, you know. Digging a ditch. That's right. You're right. But it's not, I mean, when I was in my 20s, I don't. I was like, it's all you want to live in, I want to. Me too, a million percent.

And thank God I'm not like that anymore because I certainly wouldn't have made been on Hawaii 50. But do you think now with the exception of writing and creating that it's more about the outcome than it is the process? In other words, if you're acting, you know, you got to get up every day, work 14 hours, learn your lines, all this stuff. Would you rather just be like, it's great if, you know, it's great, got a job. Now I want it to be finished.

I don't know what you mean In other words Do you like the process? I do but it's a really good question Now that I understand it Yeah, sorry No, no, it's not your fault I'm a little slow

I don't think about result And that's probably why I don't watch the shit To me, it's all about process Wow, see that's great Especially as an actor As a writer-director different But as an actor, I'm just there Trying to make it good

Make my honest, I'm just doing that thing That's it. I don't even give a shit how it ends up. In fact, I was on a show, I was on the show for 10 years. I had a rule for myself. I didn't care if the camera was on me, behind me. I had to have one take where I felt like we were just in the scene. I don't care if it was my close-up. As long as I had that, I could go home and go, okay, I did my job good today.

Because you know how many times, how many takes, this, that and you still want to be good. Still want to be great. Not even about good. Just honest. Because, you know, we get to that point where we're like, ooh, I just, I tried to copy the take from three takes ago? Am I doing that? Like, you catch yourself doing that stuff.

Get in your head. I want one take where I was just in the moment, where I just listened to my partner or partners in the scene. If I get one of those, like I said, I don't care if it was the wide, I don't care if it was behind my head. As long as I get one of those, I can go home and be cool. So yeah, I'm not, as an actor, it's not about the result. And I think it's important to not be in the result, right?

Because then it's a tricky thing, man. If you're in a scene going like, oh, I want to, I hope it goes like this, you're already fucked. You're already in the scene. Be in it. Yeah, be in it. Don't be ahead of it. Or just, yeah, man, don't play.

If you can get to a place where nothing is planned, nothing is rehearsed, nothing is, I've done this already. Let me just see what happens. You get one take like that. That was a good day as an act. Eminem said that, didn't they? You only get one shot, opportunity nut now. Lastly, how old are your kids? I have a six-month-old and I have an eight-year-old.

And what's the, what are their names? Josie and Maeve. Maeve is the eight-year-old? No, other way around. Josie is the eight-year-old. Did your pops get, obviously got to meet? Josie, not Maeve. Josie.

Yeah. That's great, right? She called him, this is the only thing I'll talk about with my kids. She called him Crazy Grandpa. That was his name. Really? I love it. To his face.

Yeah, hi, Crazy Grandpa. That was his name. He was crazy grandpa. How did he feel about it? I think he liked it. I love this has been a treat, man. Thanks for coming out. Thank you, brother.

Bye. It was a joy talking to him. A lot of times on the show, you don't know how a guest is going to open up or react. And he seemed like, you can ask him whatever. He's like, yeah, whatever. Yeah. Talk about my dad. Talk about this.

Talk about if I like doing something. Maybe it's just like having shot in Hawaii for so long. It just sort of chills you out. Maybe. That probably has something to do with it. Yeah. Yeah. Gives a little bit of perspective.

I'd like to live in Hawaii. It would be nice. We appreciate you listening. Scott, thank you for doing this podcast. It means a lot to me. And, you know, like I say many times in the podcast, go see his new movie. It's out. It's streaming.

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