Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Seth Green: Performance Over Fame & Putting in the Work

Episode Date: June 29, 2021

The humble and insanely talented Seth Green (Family Guy, Robot Chicken) joins this week and touches on the differences between performance and fame, his personal process in acting, and the understanding of being too critical of oneself. Seth discusses the hilarious origin of how he figured out the voice for Chris in Family Guy along with the story surrounding the Seth MacFarlane vs. Seth Green saga. Later in the show, Seth shares in deep detail his experience and personal relationship with legendary actors Tim Curry and Robin Williams, and what each has meant to his career and his life. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You could listen. Like, you're listening right now. I hope you guys have had a glorious week and you're doing good stuff. You're staying healthy and having the. a good time with this thing called life. Stick around afterwards. I'll read out the old patrons. Those are part of the patron family and give you a lot of updates and stuff about where you

can see me, some conventions and merch and all that great stuff. But right now, this guy has been in everything. I mean, Austin Powers. Family guy. Robot chicken. Robot chicken can't hardly wait. I mean, the list goes on. You're going to love this guest.

He's a delight. I love having him on here. Let's just get into it. Let's get inside of Seth Green. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. You look good.

Thanks, man. So do you. You look like you have beach hair, like a good beach hair. You know how your hair is always good at the beach? All right. no, I'm by that. I haven't, I don't spend a lot of time at the beach if I'm being perfectly honest. Seth, do you, by the way, I wanted to have a roaring fire for you. It is not coming together. Yeah, it's nice, though. Look at that. Where are you? Is that your living room?

No, we retreated to the mountains. You're in the mountains right now? Yeah, haven't quite got the big snow that the weather's been promising, but it's, it's been really quiet, which is nice. Do you recommend leaving the house because I really haven't left my house other than a few things a week, but I could tell my anxiety is a little through the roof lately. And do you do you get a little cabin fever? Or do you do is that why you got out? Yeah. Well, we were in L.A. all year and we were in just extreme about all of our COVID precautions because, you know, so many people got sick. We knew a lot of people that got sick.

It was it was fucking crazy. So we spent the whole year working from home. and only venturing out in the smallest of scales to get supplies when we needed them. And we didn't really visit with anybody in person until we had successfully over eight or nine months confirmed what we believed was a dependable bubble. Right, right.

So by the time I got to Christmas, we were like, I guess we could do this anywhere. So why don't we get out of L.A. before it becomes an incredible COVID hotspot and get a little bit of quiet so we can actually think and be productive. What do you notice about yourself or Claire when you guys are sort of,

I know you're a home body like me. You like to be home. You like to do a lot of nothing. But even for me, a lot of nothing became, wow, I just watched the four years of the crown in two days. Where you're starting to watch so much TV.

And you're like, great. and you're stocked in the fridge and you know you're outside with your dog in the backyard and all of a sudden you're going i'm with myself oh my god i can't be with myself any longer i mean you have each other but were there any times where you were like god you're annoying me or she's like god sir i just need to i need to be somewhere else yeah yeah we we definitely took advantage of the space at our at our house to stay separate from each other when we needed our own space but I think that's something we really try to do even when it's not a pandemic. Because we're both such strong-willed individuals.

And then us together, I don't know, I have to maintain a healthy respect for her space and her temperament and her need to be by herself the same way I expect her to be respectful of mine so we're pretty good about not getting so on top of each other that we hate each other but i absolutely feel you on the i can't absorb any more media i can't like sit and watch i need to be i need to get off the couch and i need to be out in nature maybe take a hike even if it's by myself yeah but you're always creating things you're always doing things and i've been doing that too but sometimes i've got to the point not right now but like a week ago I couldn't even sit down on my computer and write or I get anxiety sitting there.

Like I can't even sit down and write because I got anxiety and I need to get up and I'm like, what do I want to do? I need to smoke a cigarette. No, you don't. I need to. I mean, it just became this redundant bad habit fucking cycle. Sorry.

So I feel you, man. That's all like really fucking tough. The thing I realized for myself at least through this quarantine was that I needed to read discipline in a lot of ways. I'd either developed bad habits over time or worse, um, coasted on my evolution for as long as I could, right? Like you, you make such, um, anytime I discovered something that felt, oh, that's going to change the way I do everything, um, I sort of neglected the need to consistently

reinforce it, right? Anything I've ever been good at, I got there by rigorous, consistent study and practice. And the older I've gotten, the less I feel, oh, I don't need to practice. And then you show up and start feeling like Bobby Brown when New Edition reunited. Do you ever see that tape? No, what happened? This is amazing. They're all going through their choreography and everybody else in the group is fucking sharp as shit, like on point. And I think, was TMZ or somebody, they were like, yo, I don't think Bobby's going to make it on this tour. And it was a shot of him less than a minute of choreography.

And he fell on his knees, like, breathing heavy while the rest of the band continued the dance. And I was like, oh, my God, have I become Bobby Brown? I got to get back in the game. Like, you don't achieve anything without practice, without discipline, right? And so, especially through this pandemic, I had to, and I still have to. I mean, I can't act like I'm overachieving now.

It's like, right, if you want your body to feel strong and flexible, you have to stretch and exercise every day. That's true. I never got anything. So that's the thing I've been trying to do the most is reignite my commitment to those disciplines so that I can be the best at what I want to be doing. doing you know what i mean forgive my best effort you know by the way you're like you're an actor you're

a producer writer all this some creator and you know you think i could do this i've done it i've done it and all of a sudden i mean is it one of those things where you start running lines that you haven't got apart for just because you want to stay fresh and you want to think you know you could memorize them you want to know that you could do it did you do anything like that or not really i'm not really with that intent, but I did ask my agent like two years ago to send me auditions. And it's funny, you know, your agents are like,

you know, you don't need to audition. And I'm like, well, it's not even about the auditioning. It's that I, over time, have less a relationship as I did with casting directors. And I feel like that's actually a really important relationship. You need casting directors. to believe that you could play a variety of roles. And over time, I think the more interviews I do

and the more our culture evolves, audiences are inclined to accept everyone as a personality, right? And the more that reality TV becomes the vogue, audiences have an opinion about the personalities, and it's very different from the way you see actors, right? So I always want to be seen as an actor and I always want cast directors to see me that way.

So I was like, oh, let me just go on a bunch of auditions. Let me read for some stuff that's cool. Let me work out. You know what I mean? Let me prepare a scene. Did you get any of those roles or you just audition for them? No, none of them, no.

Did you want to? I wasn't opposed to getting a job. Like I went out on each of those things in earnest, but as as is typical with any kind of casting you're either the thing or you're not right and so with each of those things when I looked at who got the part I was like oh that's just a fundamentally different type right we all do it's like oh well they cast him oh it wasn't me oh right that guy's 60 so it's funny that we were even auditioning for the same role yeah exactly that's true I mean do you still get those those nerves before an audition do you still

get that kind of feeling like or are you so confident what you do that you just do it um i guess i just do it like i don't have any fear about putting in work and showing it to somebody that's that's kind of been my thing the whole time um you know as a performer that's the best thing i can do is is meaningfully prepare something and then demonstrate it and then not care right when i leave But do you ever Rosenbaum? Do you ever just bomb it out in an audition? Yeah. You've walked out.

Have you ever apologized and going, I'm sorry. Thank you for your time. No, never, never, never, you know what? That's not true. I had a, God, I had one of the worst, one of the worst experiences I ever had auditioning. Tell me. It's so bad. Are you ready?

Oh, I'm ready. Take a drink of water. I like hearing these things. So I met Alan Ball, the creator. of Six Feet Under and True Blood, back when he was a writer and a producer, I think, on Sybil. I auditioned for Sybil 10 or 12 times, and I finally got a part on the show.

And they had seen me over and over, like each of the producers, we'd met like nine times over the course of this. And so when they finally had a part that I could play, everyone was so excited. And I had the greatest time working on the show, civil shepherd christine Beransky they were so awesome everybody was so awesome

and so I love Alan Ball big Alan Ball fan when American Beauty came around I was like I chased it as hard as I could but you know when you see West Bentley it's like well I'm obviously we're very different types that's a very

specific thing and he was awesome in it by the way so stayed in touch with Alan and in the last season of 6 Feet Under, they were like, this character is going to be recurring against Lauren Ambrose, who I knew from Can't Hardly Wait. Real excited, going in for producers,

Lauren's going to be in the room. God, I can't even remember what year it was, but I had a flip phone. Okay, so early 2000s? Somewhere in there. I forgot to turn my phone on before I went into this audition. And it's in my pocket. And I was already like nervous because I really wanted it to go well.

I'm reading with an actor who I've got a depth of familiarity and experience with we should be able to create chemistry in the way that the scene needs. And I know this whole group I just wanted to, I just wanted to be awesome. I wanted to validate their faith in bringing me in at this kind of opportunity. Like my first line, my phone rings. And it's so loud and distracting. And I reach for it and like silence it. And I just look at Lauren like, oh, my God, let's, in my eyes,

I'm like, okay, let's just stay in this moment. and she's there for me. Were you blushing? Was your faith, did your face get red? I just immediately flop sweat. I'm like Albert Brooks in broadcast news. Like it was, I think I left a wet mark on the seat. I was sweating so hard.

It was one of the worst. I've never, it's, I still, like, I'm traumatized, thinking about it. And then not 30 seconds later, my phone rings again. And I'm like, oh, no. and I silence it again very quickly but you know the rhythm of the scene is fucked and they're like

do you want to start again so I'm like okay and I'm fumbling like trying to turn your phone off yeah and I should have just like took it out apologized and shut it up but I didn't I tried to play it cool

so we started the scene again and of course my phone goes off again and I did that thing that nobody wants to do I took my phone out of my pocket and literally threw it into the depth of the room to apologize to everybody and then we tried to do the scene again of course my phone rang two more times from the distance now Jesus Christ it's on tape I'm sure I don't know if they burn any of those

tapes did you talk to Lauren afterwards and said oh my god I'm sorry you just kind of let it go I don't remember I honestly don't remember I think I blacked out so much of that I don't even remember finishing the scene or saying goodbye like I was so embarrassed and I had to go collect my phone from the depth of the room I got anxiety thinking about that I had one I think I told us on a show a long time ago, but maybe, Ryan, you cut it. I don't remember. But I went in to read, this guy cast me in Urban Legend. He cast me in pool hall junkies sorority boys.

He brought me in for this Liam Neeson part and movie, The Grey or something. Sure. And I went in there and I didn't know the material. And I thought I could just like half read, half do it. And I'm not kidding. I go, ah, fuck, man, can we start? Oh, shit. You know, John, Papsedare.

paps can we can we do this again yeah he's the best and i read it and then i go i go oh man just uh you want to take a few minutes i go yeah so i went took a few minutes then i came back and started reading it it just was like i could not get through it and i go listen man finally we got through it and he goes thanks rosy and i go john i really want to apologize uh i was fucking off no no no no you're you're awful still good i don't know dude that is i mean i know how bad i was and uh there's no excuse for it so uh i'm just really sorry dude i you know i'm usually game and i just wasn't and i've had those moments i've had those moments where a director's really into it and then when he's really in it i'm like kind of like oh fuck fuck he's really likes me and then he's giving me direction he's like yeah yeah all right

do this i want you to do this and then this and then i'm like oh my god i'm on the verge of getting it and And then I fuck up. I mean, that's happened a few times. I mean, but that's life. There's sometimes where I fucking go in there and I, I, I chrish, you know? I guarantee that John's right, that even your awful is pretty great. I wouldn't say that, but. And you are somebody who is so capable of not just being present in real life,

but being very present in scenes. Like you give to your work. so completely that you feel vulnerable and stress out about being revealed to that depth. Well, I never thought about that. You're so good at this. You're both very, very funny and a truly convincing actor. Well, I mean, look, don't pull your cord. I know, I know, but like, you know, people don't know.

People don't know that sometimes what goes through your mind. Like, I could play a role. Like, I could go into a room and everybody's saying, oh, God, this guy's full of confidence in that. but I'm not I could fake the shit out of it I could go in there and kill something but inside I'm kind of like going and maybe it's because I care so much maybe because I want to be great I want and that desire to be great that desire to be perfect is it is not a healthy thing to be to be to say hey I'm going to do my best that's healthy but to be perfect is impossible did you ever do that where have you been hard on yourself where you know you have to be great you have

to be perfect people have to love you you you want everybody to love you and if you did How do you get through that? Yes to the first part, not to the second part. So I love to be technically flawless. I love to put the work and discipline in and then show off my attunement to a specific skill. But I don't, it's not the applause and it's not the love of the audience. I don't know how else to explain it, but that's never been my drive. Obviously, I want people to like me, but I am not inflated or benefited by seeing my name in lights or the size of the...

Never. Never have been like that, ever. Like, none of the, no, none of the, none of the, none of the, like, it's a weird thing, man. It's in the doing of it for me. Wow. Right? So like my favorite thing is really knowing my material so completely that I make a character feel like a person so that the person connects to the audience and like feels the emotion in whatever the story is so that the audience receives that emotion. That's my favorite, my favorite thing. And it came from watching people on stage and watching people in commercials convey a sentiment to me in the audience that made me feel any which way I was like, I think that's what I do.

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Wow. But I can't believe I'm asking a two-parter. It's heavy, man. But as a kid, you always look at kid actors and they're like, always great. why is that because they have a fearlessness to them or whatever it is that you maybe not all kids are great but when you watch kids performances it's almost like they don't care and they're so comfortable in a way at least the ones when I think of uh six cents and you know even you as a young boy in some roles radio days just whatever and then then then there gets to

be a point where I mean have you just always acted so it never that confidence sort of never left you or that and also like dealing with fame and stuff does that do you enjoy that Do you enjoy being famous? Well, that is a lot of parts. So I grew up with a lot of kids that wanted to perform, that loved performing. And we were the ones that sort of found each other. Then there were the kids that wanted to be famous, right? And those kids usually burn out very fast because what it actually takes to do this job

over the course of your life is so much. And you suffer so much heartbreak. if you actually give a shit about it, that that becomes overwhelming and defeating. But my goal has always been the same, and that's helped me stay connected, even when I'm deeply insecure about my ability to continue to do the thing, right?

Like, I've been able to consistently work over my entire life. It's almost 40 years of doing this, and it's only through, finding ways to not take it personally. It's never about you. You know what I mean? Yeah. Finding a way to be confident in whatever I've prepared for an audition or a job.

And also, like, put my heart and soul in something and then not care once I leave the room. Like, that's years of acquiring the discipline. And also the simple reality, man, I've seen so many people come and go. so many people come and go so many like from the time their kids to the time they're adults I've seen every version of it I've worked with tons and tons of people and did you call it like in the back of your head

like they're not going to last there's been times when I highlight specific behavior and I'm like that's probably not going to that's probably not that's probably going to work against you but the thing that's consistent about anybody that's stuck around is hard work being a nice person

you know what I mean and continued like discipline anybody that stuck around has kept learning the whole time they work really fucking hard without asking because that's just what you do

and then they're nice to people because why why not be nice to people we literally played pretend for a living and so no matter how expensive that becomes these 200 million dollar movies that are multi-billion dollar industries like that's a lot of pressure to put on

anyone but we're still doing the same job we're putting on these costumes and we're putting on a show so don't don't emotionally destroy yourself over that it really isn't uh it's not saving the world the same way right you make that sound so simple but really the two things are hard work and being a good person being a kind person those are those are the main things if you work really and you have some talent and you're nice to people, you're probably going to work. If you're an asshole and you're not great, people will find someone else.

Yeah, if you're successful, people will tolerate a remarkable amount of bad behavior. But I think we're becoming less tolerant of it. I think it really feels like the industry over the last several years has had a highly reflective moment and has worked to alter itself, you know, through every facet. I'm optimistic. What about being famous?

Is there, obviously there's pluses. I mean, you know, I love getting free shit. I love, you know, being invited to Lucas Ranch. I love being, you know, God bless. I mean, there's things I've done that just dreams to me as a kid and still are dreams that I'm fulfilling. And I love that. But with fame, obviously, it's not always easy.

People are like, oh, poor guy, he did this and everything you do is scrutinized. And, I mean, do you enjoy the fame? Or do you like, I'm obviously, you're an incredibly kind person. I've met you. I've never seen you raise your voice to anyone. I've always seen people come up to you and you just sign autographs and you're fine. But do you get tired of it? Well, I'm someone that actually likes to spend time by myself.

So that's compromised a degree of anonymity that I enjoyed without realizing that it was a perk. But there's definitely pluses, right? Like there's things that I get to do because people recognize my face or have a predetermined opinion of me even before we meet. So it makes our encounter far more positive than their average encounter with any other person.

Like I get an instant icebreaker, which is very helpful in conversations. I wouldn't say I'm socially awkward, but I'm not, I've definitely spent my life overcoming all those basic social fears. Right. And so being recognizable helps shortcut a little bit of that. And it also gives me a bit of a magic power in conversations to make people smile or laugh,

which is one of my favorite things to do. Me too. Sure. Yeah. You know, downsides are that you can't really have a good day. Freudian slip. Let me say it like this. I heard, God, in an interview in the late 90s, from Salton Peppa, she said the hardest part about being famous

is you can't have a public bad day, right? Because the millionth time you meet an excited fan is the only time that fan meets you. Wow. And so what do you want that moment to be? I think about that all the time. Like, I don't need to let it dominate. When I first started getting recognized,

I really, I couldn't help myself, but to cater to it, I felt such an incredible responsibility to make that person's experience so significant that I would neglect my actual friends or family that I was in the middle of hanging out with. And I had people, people became so bold, man.

Like, I was in the middle of slow dancing with a girlfriend on a beach and somebody literally got between us and put their hands on either of our shoulders and was like, you can we take a picture? Jeez. I became a stall man in the bathroom

because so many fucking creepers when the camera phone became invented my world, James. And when someone like puts their phone above your toilet stall, you're like, what do you want out of this? They want to see you poop. Maybe.

I had that one. I was in a I was at a concert not too long ago I think it was Chicago or something I was seeing the band Chicago they're still around and uh you know we're I'm in there and the guy goes he looks at me goes I know you man I'm like yeah what's going on he's like yeah man he's like yeah man could we get a picture I go hey could we have a conversation after I'm done holding my dick and he's like oh yeah man yeah yeah yeah yeah and it was cool but it was just like I mean I am holding my penis urinating in a stall. Can you wait a minute?

I could, but it wouldn't be as good as story. It wouldn't be as good a story as Lex Luzer was holding his dick. Look at this picture of us with our dick. This is great. Why does it always go back to that accent? I grew up in Indiana, but it always goes, man, tell me. Why can't it be like, I was looking at Lex Luthers' dick? See, we could flip the script right now and become a more woke Hollywood.

we just started doing less derisive impersonation. I think so. I think that's going to happen. I think that's slowly going to happen. Oh, I love it. But you are a good guy, and I think that goes a long way. Do you ever watch yourself and go, oh, I'm not good in that.

Have you ever done that? As an actor? Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. What role did you watch that maybe people really like that you didn't like what you did? I'm not going to point that out. Like, that's one thing I learned early on is let the audience have their own

experience. What is something you watch and go, I did my job there? I thought I was decent. I thought I did a good job. Well, there's a couple, there's a couple performance opportunities that I've had that I love and I did the thing that felt the best to me, which was like be in it, be in it so much and be technically efficient to a degree that it yields the right emotion, the right laugh, right? Awesome Powers is one of my favorite things because I was just rooted in that character and I was liberated at every channel to improvise

and just follow a laugh, but in character. There's something so magical happened when we were making those movies. And that's why we got to make three of them because everybody felt it from the people making it to the audience. I was like, that's something cool is happening here. Everybody was just in it and firing on all cylinders. So that feels amazing.

I felt like I can't hardly wait. I was so present. And it's that thing, man. I worked so hard on that. Like I knew my lines backwards and forwards. I spent so much time thinking about who that character was and why, why I was behaving the way that I was, why I said the things that I said from scene to scene.

And by the time we, and plus Devin Harry were so great directing that and the cast we got like, Lauren and I, we worked hard on all of those scenes. And then every day, every day I woke up and I exercised and I drove to, what the fuck's it called, Valencia. And I listened to the rap music that I was convinced Kenny Fisher spent every day listening to you on my drive. And I just knew it. And I felt it.

And I, like, tried to get into this. I was so into it. So I feel like you can see that. You can see that in the performance. That's great. Same thing with Party Monster. But it was the work, right? Like, it's never not the work.

there's never like oh my god one of the best things i did i didn't even know the fucking lines and i'd never read the script and i just showed up and improv it because i'm so talented that i could just show up and do it right it's never those it's always the stuff where you're like oh my god i studied that i looked at the me i like practiced i rehearsed i did this this blocking over and over and over so many times that i got a blister on my foot it's those it's always that where i'm like god that felt the best. Again, it's the work. It's the work. You got hard work. You know, Seth McFarlane said when you I mean, it's not busting concrete, but, you know, hey, sometimes it feels like it. Different kind of work sets me through the emotional ringer. Seth McFarland said in the audition for a family guy,

you were off the rails, he says. When, you know, when you go in for an audition sometimes, 99% of the time, you think this is what it reads as. This is what it is. This is, uh, I'm the whatever the stone guy or the surfer kid or whatever it is and i'm going to read it like oh they want to surfers so i'll be like oh hey man what's going on bra oh they want a stoner guy it's like hey man and so you go in what was it like going in for family guy what was going through your mind um i had been digging around with charlie korsmo for over a week doing an impersonation of Ted Levine from Silence of the Lans. Right, right, right.

Charlie came into town to do the press junket for Can't Hardly Wait. And we spent the week, they sent us all of the clippings, right? They're like, hey, here's all the press points you got. And it was at the time, photocopied, printouts with all of our reviews. I don't know if you know this. The reviews of that movie were not kind. And they singled out each of the actors individually. and in more than 10 just attacked our physical aesthetic.

So Charlie and I were like, all right, we had just done not a mean-spirited press junkie, but, you know, a lot of people are like, why did you make this? And so you get, I got to the point where we weren't even defensive. We were just like, let's just have fun with this. So we were highlighting every category of insult. and then just sort of walking each other through the PTSD. Oh, my God. And he stayed with me.

And I don't even know how we got off on the topic, but we just started talking about the character from Silence and the Lambs getting odd jobs and doing everything from being a roller rink DJ, to trying to order something at Jack in the Box. Because his character is so specific. and he does those really dark kind of thing. Oh, wait a minute. You see a great big trampers.

And so. I've been doing that as pressure for years, too. I just, I'm enamored by that guy. And I finally worked with him. And I'm like, hey, he doing? He's like, oh, good, I'm like, holy shit, you talk like that. He's a brilliant actor. Oh, yeah.

Performance is incredible. But that character is so indelible that we just joked around, putting, like, mimicking the whole thing. And so I read that script for Family Guy, and I loved it. I wanted it. You know what I mean? It was so funny. I was like, ah, this will never last on TV, but let me be a part of it.

And so I came in and I did the like, What's up, Dodds, fight the machine, and did the whole surfer thing. And I was like, can I, this may be stupid, but can I try something? You know what I mean? And it's always that. It's always the risk that you take. It's always the, I got a lot of jobs that didn't read from a stage direction standpoint as me, right? I'm 5'4, I'm red-headed, I'm very pale, and I'm not what you call conventionally attractive, but I have a lot of personality, right?

And that's always, that's always kept me going. So I like to try shit, you know, most casting people, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, It's like they want something specific, but what they really notice is somebody that shines. And you never shine doing it the way, oh, it organically reads this way, right? You got to add something. The actors that we both love, they're just, they're in it. They make choices and they just, they, they just, they're disciplined with it. So you, it's like not everybody's walking, right?

not everybody's like got the bits right but you so you said i want to try something was this the last thing you were going to do before you were done with the audition i didn't even know i was going to do it i honestly didn't even i think corzmo dared me to at one point he's like oh you should do a buffalo bill like what if he was buffalo what if what if what if buffalo bill's day job was being this family's kid hey dad can i large shake me from a Donald? I mean, what are... Dad, I think the baby's crazy. Hey, Dad, can I have $5 for the cinema?

Yeah, Dad, I'm really glad you got fires from your job. Way to take care of us. Hey, Dad, I got paddled in school today. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I put my pants. So what did you do in the audition? What did you say? holds the lines I said hey can I try something my buddy and I have spent all week do you remember Buffalo Bill

from Silence of Land and I remember McFarlane was like yeah and then I was like what if I did that and then I just tried it and it was so fucking weird that I think it made everybody laugh

and I thought I'm never going to get this job and then I got it and I was like there's there really is like a magic to the universe. So wait, so you, did he ask you to do,

okay, do that, but can you do a little less of the, or can you do a little more of a kid doing Buffaloville? Yeah, is there a younger version of it? I'm just sort of pitched it up a little bit. But it didn't,

the whole first, like the whole first season of it, it's really down there. It's really low where it's just like, uh, um, pretty sure I got her business card

and it's really that's one of the best Hollywood stories ever the fact that they're like oh yeah that and it works you watch the character and you're like this is perfect well it's evolved really far from that

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So I'm always surprised when, especially a friend of mine, it's like, hey, why haven't you ever had me on the show? And I'm like, not on purpose. I don't know if I said that. I just said, hey, if you ever need me on, here's what happened. I go, hey, if you ever need a voice, anything on robot chicken, you go, wait, you haven't been on it. And I go, no, he goes, yeah, you'll get on it. And I immediately called our casting. I was like, please put Rosenbaum on for whatever comes up.

That was awesome. That's more this time. Oh, I would have done one line. I would have just yelled. Hey. I don't love that. I love when people come in and get to do something. That's why we have everybody do three parts.

Well, this new show, Blark and Son on comedy series, on Comedy Central. I, dude, I like, in an interview you said this is like, you know, it's the weirdest thing you've done or maybe you put it on Instagram. And then I go, okay, let's see how weird Seth's talking. And then I watch it. I go, whoa, this is fun. I felt like I was watching that Phil Collins video. And this is all the world we live. And it was so, it's, I love it.

Yeah. I love the junior characters. You guys have to see this on Comedy Central. It is so bizarre that, I mean, who came up with this? That's all Ben Bayou. The, this is something I haven't had to, it sounds silly. I haven't had to do anything for this except consistently affirm that it's a good idea, right? So very, very early on, it's years ago now,

Ben wanted to produce. They showed us the puppets first, and he was like, this is a thing. And then I can't even remember if you had filmed the demo or not, but they were going to do it on Instagram and just make it. And so we financed that. And then it got picked up from Instagram to be,

do you remember when Verizon had a platform for a second, go 90? So Go 90 came after us and was like, we'll finance a run of shorts. And so we produced a series of shorts for them. And then that whole thing went out of business. And we got the rights back and sold it to comedy to make an online series that also re-airs on the network. And again, I just think the thing is so fucking funny. It's so creative.

It's so strange. It's full of incredible performers and unbelievable production. value um it is by far the weirdest thing it's so weird it's so like you can't stop watching it that's how weird is you can't stop watching these characters like oh these characters are so larger than life and i'm just like going god i got to keep watching this if you go to the instagram page and i might get high and watch shorts that uh that they filmed it's it's just very very funny and smart and really capture something about um family dynamics and then you know neighborhood dynamics.

And the biggest thing is I love all that tech, right? Because it's the exact same stuff that you would use to make a monster movie, right? So if you're going to make American Werewolf in London, it's the same principle. It's all the same machines and materials and stuff. So I've been trying to fortify that department of our studio so that we can render visual effects for something that a feature I want to make. Wow. And you have all the tools.

It's like you have the studio. You have this. It's like a smorgasbord of just, I mean, you have so many ideas and you have the ability to pursue these ideas in an easier way when it comes to that sort of platform, right? Well, I mean, it's always hanging on by a thread. Right. Everything is always sort of on a thread because you talk about the consistent employment of hundreds of people. And so there's a lot of management involved in that. like that whole department that I'm talking about,

they've been doing the masks for the masked singer for the last two seasons. And the same shop essentially that does Clark and son. Oh, hey, say hello. Claire, how are you? I'm good. I hope you all are having fun. We are.

We love you. I miss you. I can't wait until this is over so we can hug it out. I know. I miss hugs. I know. I'm going to hug. I love your tours.

It was so. I'm going to hug the shit out of you. Like, honestly, a long hugger, like, he wasn't kidding. It's going to be a long, hard hug. The long and hard hug. Man, that's awesome. I love that you get to do that. But you're talking about the Masked Singer and the, uh, oh, yeah.

So, but, you know, with, it's like that, uh, with that department, it's only as big as it needs to be, but the ideas that you can grow and shrink some, some things. Um, and it's all the same, it's all the same technology. Hey, the episode, it aired, right? We're on Family Guy or Seth Green versus South McFarland, where you're playing, right, but the characters are talking at each other. I saw that online, but was that internet? Yeah, that started.

Explain the situation how it started. Well, it started as something like genuinely unbelievable that both Family Guy and Robot Chicken were working with Lucasfilm to make. dedicated episodes for Star Wars. And so Seth McFarland and I, who have known each other since 98, and we were commiserating backstage at one of the panels where we were going to go talk

as a family guy panel to talk about the Star Wars thing, and we were both like, how the fuck is this happening? This is the coolest thing ever. We're making Star Wars specials for our respective shows that's nuts. It's nuts. Nuts.

And we were making them at the exact, same time, writing them at the same time, which was actually such a benefit because I could call their writer's room and say, hey, we're doing a canteena joke that's shaped like this. What's your canteena joke? Oh, we're doing a trash compactor joke that's shaped like this. What's your trash compactor joke? And in a couple cases, we were in the same territory and were able to keep our stuff separate so that we weren't overlapping each other in a specific joke or a specific idea. and it was it was fucking awesome man and so just because of the nature of production

we robot chicken beat Family Guy to air and aired first and after we had I think it was even after we'd done we were in the middle of pickups so they had started rendering animation for the Family Guy won and I came in to do a set of pickups and that scene which is not a post credit tag but it's like the end of it has

Chris talking to Peter about well that was very exciting but technically robot chicken did it first and then Peter's like yeah but you know Chris that's not a real show and a real pro a real network and it is it's so mean and also really disparaging of me

and a robot chicken but it's also very very funny and in the context he sort of cops to the fact that we aired first, even though, like, millions of less people saw it. And it just, I don't know, none of us really care. But it went back and forth, right? So it went back. Yeah.

And then they did it in all three, in all three of the family guy specials. And they start getting, like, far more specifically targeted against me, Seth Green, as an actor. Yeah. What would they say? What was one of the? I don't remember. It was just they made fun of movies. because I've done. But it also, you know, it is funny and I just don't care.

It was so funny. And I think people enjoy the fact that we all know each other. Oh, man. But it's good. You're in good spirits. You both can go at it and have fun with it. Well, I, you know, some of my favorite stuff is the, is the Friars Roasts, is old episodes of the match game. Yeah. I think people, I think that's why Twitter worked in the first place is because people enjoy conversations amongst any artists that they are interested in. Right. This is called shit talking with Seth Green. Shit talking with Seth Green.

Let's talk some shit. Talking some shit with my patrons. If you want to join Patreon, you should. It's awesome. This is Rapid Fire. Steph A, how much of your entourage persona is you and how much is exaggerated? It's 100% exaggerated. Brandl, what is the most challenging voice?

impression that you can do. I think the hardest stuff for me to do is like really, really high-end things. Like if I'm, I mean, like trying to do a baby crying or something that's a lot of screaming. Like, oh, my God, I've had to do death eaters for Harry Potter sketches. And that's really not fun. Do you lose your voice? No, it's sort of a backwards breathing thing where you're like, I'm coming to kill you. the crazy shit you get to do yeah uh leanne p of all the characters you've played which one do you

identify with the most um i don't know i mean i find something in every character that that feels organic deflection um i'm just kidding i said this is the truth i mean i really do if i'm if i'm interested in playing a character it's because i feel like i can give them an honesty and so there's got to be something in them that I identify to even if it's not a decision making that I'd relate to right like your character makes decisions sometimes that you as a person can't relate to and so you got to find some organic way to come to that conclusion or you just can't be honest in your performance I like it little Lisa I do it's that's good answer little Lisa what's something you can't go a day without doing besides seeing your wife um I don't

No. I like to think I'm fairly adaptable. Deflection. No, I'm kidding. It's the truth. I don't love addictions. I don't like bad habits. But I also haven't been dependent on any specific thing to get through a day. And since I've spent my whole life working in unpredictable conditions and still having to render a very specific service, regardless, I like to think I've become adaptable and I don't need much. Aisha says you were almost cast as J.N. Mallrats. Can you talk about what the process was and what happened? I don't think it's accurate to say that I was almost cast as J. and Marrads. There was

really no, I don't think there was ever a point where anybody took seriously the idea of Jason Mews not playing that part. And the process was we got called because it's not Don Simpson and it's not, do you remember? God damn it. I can't believe I'm playing on this. No, no, no, no. It was the cast and director

and his first name is Don and he had cast Days and Confused. And the way that they had done that was they basically had a chemistry party over a day and got a bunch of pizzas and got a bunch of actors and had them all workshop scenes together. And then they selected who they thought looked the best on camera and had the best chemistry. And so when the same casting director was casting mall rats, he employed the same idea where dozens of actors. It was so many people. It's crazy. And each of us came in and out of the room being paired up in a variety of places.

And I, when I found out that Jason was there, we were all in the same hallway for like 11 hours as they paired us up in groups and went in in all different varieties of the group. And I already felt dumb about trying to be Jay, when Jason Mews was in the running for Jay. It's like... Oh, I know.

So it felt so futile in the first place. And I also wanted to really distinguish my take on Jay from what Jason had done in clerks. But at the same time, it's written out snoochie booches. And you're like, how do I read this line without it? right i mean god yeah you know like a like a like a j ripoff so um you know the process was harrowing i just chased laughs the entire time i just i just peacocked all around because that that would the spirit of that character for me was it just unapologetically loud and takes up space

right so that's fun um because i'm not a big guy so taking up a lot of space you know it's why kevin heart so popular is because he's an enormous personality. Right. I love it. So that's what I did, but it wasn't fun. Jimmy Ross, did Tim Curry scare you to death while filming it? No, I was

such a Tim Curry fan when I got that job that I was in awe of him as a student is to a master. And I sat at a speed and asked him questions all the time. And I just followed his lead on process. It was

so fucking exciting to get to spend time with him, to get to work with him. I mean, it really was, especially him. Like, I loved him so much, and his roles and performances meant so much to me by the time we got to work together that I was not going to fail. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I wasn't going to fail. I worked so hard to be prepared for every scene in that one, too. Wow. Karen B. last question what are some of your best memories of working with robin william wait i have to i feel like i have to follow up on that just one more time oh yeah no go i'll go oh you could edit that so

cool that we stayed in touch um after working together and he was just incredibly kind and generous in ways that few people are um so even beyond getting to work together i just love that man that's a beautiful thing yeah so what was it like in your best memories of working with robin williams an old dog oh ha ha ha ha um i mean that whole thing was really fun and special for me um we'd met um before but not not like that um and the first day that we got to work together was a scene with a lot of improv potential in it and we just had a great time i was like whatever you give me i'm going to send it back to you and uh you know what i mean as to it was just like electric wow and then throughout the rest of making that movie we we went back at one point and uh got a bunch

of scenes they they totally changed the ending um and we shot a bunch of pickup stuff and even that was just hilarious it's just so much fun um you know he's truly one of my heroes um getting to know him even peripherally um and getting to work with him is like one of my proudest things did you ever notice anything because you know he's always the happy guy always i i can relate where i you know i go not to robin williams obviously he's brilliant i'm just saying in terms of like always being the center of attention i always felt like as a kid i've always i felt like that was the only way i could get in and and you know it was did you feel like did you ever see the real side of him did you think did you ever see a innate sort of sadness or anything like

that or was it always just kind of fun and fun and uh you know good time no i got i got to spend a couple of really quiet moments with him and i was i was even grateful for that we we did an extensive amount of press for that movie including like a whole um golden globe uh series of interviews with the farm press and i i was just with him that whole day and it was a long day and we had lunch together in his room and really were just quiet, like just sat in the quiet because it had been so noisy, it had been so chaotic.

And I took his comfort in not needing to perform for me and me not needing to entertain him. Yeah, you know, I didn't know that he was sick And he didn't let on that he was struggling with his interpretation of things. But I did see him in between scenes. Right. So like when Lillard and Dax and I were working together in between scenes, we were just like, you know what I mean?

Right. Keeping that vibe. And Robin in between scenes would just go sit in a quiet corner and play Sudoku. Sudoku? Sudoku. Just like brain challenges. Yeah. Brain challenges.

Just brain challenge. Video game, brain challenges. And we talked a lot about comics and video games. And he just voraciously consumed stuff. Wow. But I didn't realize in that time that he was struggling with cognition, with interpretation, with even basic motor function.

I don't nobody knew nobody knew until after and uh you know i had bobcat on the show a while back and he talked about it because he was close friends with him and they he opened up a little bit about that and uh it's tragic it's like i think a lot of people that we know we always see this fun loving hey how are you but we don't really know what they're going through or what they do when they go home or what you know kind of like the the the clown with the painted face and the painted smile and sometimes we we don't know exactly and so you know i have a you know on this show I always talk about mental health and you know you never know what other people are going through and so it's just important to to try and just like you said

be kind be nice yeah and I didn't I didn't originate that philosophy but no you didn't I think Henry Winkler did I think Henry Winkler originated that the nice oh I buy that he's he's one of the kindest he really is he is he super well dude this I don't want to take any more time this is this has been great. Oh, yeah. It's such a chore to catch up with you, Michael. It's such a chore. I'm glad we need this podcast to stay friend. What if I wrote you an email after this and said, hey, I really didn't even want to interview.

I just needed, I needed to talk to you. I just wanted to hear your voice. I thought for sure that's what this was. But it's just the podcast format that makes it much easier to open up to each other. You know what, though? It is nice to just you know, two friends to talk and open up and

hopefully give back to some of the people that are listening that, you know, listen to the show or or fans of yours or whatever and uh no it's important to me and after this i just i just feel like i got a lot from it and uh so thank you me too man and you know everybody everybody struggles with that imposter syndrome everybody doubts themselves and any artist that is like really compelled to create is forced to ask who gives a shit about anything that I'm making and you just can't let that stuff guide you you know you've got too big a heart to get in your own way thank you my friend no I appreciate that and uh so I'll just write

you a check or Venmo you after no man but I'm gonna cash it in your ass next time I see you give me the old ATM swipe of the ass buddy dude I love you Seth this has been great though thank you so much love you back love Seth Green what can you you say about him other than he's a great guy thank you for listening and i hope you enjoyed that if you enjoyed it again please subscribe to the podcast and stick around for other guests that are coming up uh we've got a lot of great guests and a lot of guests from the past you know um we had jason patrick and keifer sutherland uh charisma carpenter from buffy um bob odenkirk many great guests so please write a review and remember the handles if you want to follow us are at inside of you

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I mean, honestly, I just got back from visiting my parents and that was a really nice thing to do. You get along with your I get along with my parents. You like being around your parents. I like being my parents. I play guitar with my dad. Oh, man. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. I like hanging on with my mom. They got a new puppy. What's the puppy's name? Blue. Blue. Blow. That a boy, blow. She's, she's gonna be

huge. Cute as a button. Cute as a button. She doesn't know how her body works. It's really adorable. That's, that's, it's always a treat watching that, watching them grow. And then, especially when you get them at a young age and you just love them more as they get older and older. They just, they're always that puppy. We've never had a puppy. We've never had a puppy growing up. This is the first pup. Well, congratulations on that. Congratulations to you going to therapy. I think that's marvelous. Hopefully you guys are all doing well, taking care of yourself, doing therapy if you need it. I think we all probably need it. I know I do. Thanks for listening. Thanks for tuning in. I just had a surgery. Everything's going well. I am alive and it takes time to heal. But it's it's going to It's going to work out in the end. I think we should probably read out the top-tier patrons. I think that's a marvelous plan.

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Hi, host of the Stacking Benjamin's podcast. Today, we're going to talk about what. What if you came across $50,000? What would you do? Put it into a tax-advantaged retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home.

Something nice. Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this addition that we're adding. $50,000, I'll buy a new podcast. You'll buy new friends. And we're done. Thanks for playing everybody. We're out of here.

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