Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - SIMON PEGG: Mitigating the ‘Black Dog’, The Tom Cruise Effect & Shaun of the Dead Brotherhood

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

Simon Pegg (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz) joins us this week for a humble and grounded conversation about the rise in his career from indie movie hits to massive blockbusters, all the while trying to mitigate the ‘black dog’ of depression following him. Simon talks about his brotherhood with Nick Frost, how they drop everything to have each others back, and the origins of Three Flavours Cornetto. We also talk about the Tom Cruise effect while filming, going from class clown to actor, and his most valuable acting advice from Jeff Bridges. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🧠 Qualialife: https://qualialife.com/iou 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🌟 JCPenney: https://www.jcpenney.com __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Maybe you did it for Simon Pegg. Maybe you did it for me. I'm banking on Simon Pegg though, right, Ryan? Yeah, probably. Yeah. But look, if you like this interview and you're like, yeah, this guy can interview people, then all I ask is maybe listen to some others. Subscribe and support this little podcast that could and support us by following us, writing

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I'm grand. It's, you know, as we're talking right now, I'm gearing up for my surgery. You are gearing up for your surgery. So I'm having surgery. By this point, I already had the surgery. So hopefully I'm doing okay at this point. But, you know, I'd say right now, I'm a little nervous, and I don't get nervous,

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Also, the inside of you online store for great merch, Smallville merch and all that stuff. I'm really excited about getting, having Simon Pegg on the show. Yeah. I was really pumped. I wish it was in person, but I would have had to wait months and I didn't want to make you guys wait. He was so freaking cool, so down the earth and talked about everything. And I had a blast, didn't you? I did too.

Yeah, you should have him back. He'll be in town. He just have him back. He was texting me the other day And I was like, dude Because this was good Yeah, it was good Let's do a Simon Pegg part two

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With Michael Rosenbaum Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. You seem like you're a person who's never really late. I don't like being late. I mean, it really does wind me up. If I sense that I'm late, I start to stress out. I'm a punctual man. Really?

On sets? You're not the guy that's like a Simon again. He's holding us up. No, I have like a special chair, which I have, which is called. Jeff. This is a big old name drop. So I did a film in 2008 with Jeff Bridges. And he taught me the best way to relax on set is to have a zero gravity garden chair. And it's like one of those recliners. You know, you get them at like Home Depot like 40 bucks. But they keep you on set. So you don't want to go back to your trailer because you're sitting in your lazy boy just so I'm always on set me. So you're just lying down there lounging in your zero gravity? Exactly. Just, they're like, Simon, Simon's here.

He's just asleep. He's on set. Oh, I have so many naps on set. It's ridiculous. Dude, you're like the, that's good. You're like one of the nicest guys. Like, honestly, and I hear that. And you play such a likeable, likable characters for the most part.

Yeah. No, but people like genuinely like you. You're just like, I think when I saw you and Sean of the Dead the first time, I just, I was blown away by that movie. I mean, I'm a horror fan. If you look in my room, I've got, you know, Bruce Campbell signed my evil dead poster, Kiefer, son, and Jason Patrick signed my Lost Boys poster.

It's all horror. So I have to get a Sean of the Dead poster from you and Nick, for sure. Absolutely. We'll send you one for sure. Oh, God. I'm sure you have stacks of them in your place, don't you? Yeah. Do you keep, I just thought, I walk past this thing to this shop today

and they were selling these little funcos. They've done some video. game with, with, with, with, uh, the characters from, um, lots of characters from lots of different movies. It's like a kind of a, uh, a multiverse thing. Anyway, they've got, um, uh, hot fuzz and Sean of the day. So I, I, I walk past this shot. Of course, I collect small effigies of myself. And I never liked to ask for freebies. And I walked in and I said to the guy, I said, you're not going to believe this. And he suddenly went, oh, this. Freaked him out. Yeah. I bet you signed one for him.

I said I would go back and he'd literally just taken his son to see the 20th anniversary screening of Sean of the Dead and but I was so I don't like to say, you know, hey, you want a picture or but I'll go back and I'll sign a couple so he can bump up the price. You know, I go into the comic book stores every once in a while and if anybody's going to recognize me, it's usually people in comic book stores. you know saying yeah it's like so i go yeah i go in there and i'm just like i go do you have any lex luther stuff and i like dude and i'll take seven yeah i put a ball okay no that would be really really bad um did you by the way i will get into this but did you you talk about

johnny the dolitan but did you know why you're filming it you're thinking this is going to be a fucking hit this is or where you have no idea like this could be a piece of shit oh no we knew we knew we were making the film we wanted to make and we we me and egger thought it was good you know and we were we were proud of the and we had a lot of support from working title and universal and uh we had nick frost you know secret weapon and you know we were hopeful but we never had any idea that it would still be being talked about 20 years later yeah that's got to feel good huh yeah it's nice it's the best thing you can hope for really yeah most of time when you're doing these little independent movies or you just go, I don't know anymore. I'm just doing it. I'm going to have

fun. Because I've done so many that they're like, oh, the dailies are great, man. Oh, everything's good. The producers are coming up to you. Oh, yeah. And you're like, oh, this is doomed. This is fucking doomed. You know. You just never know sometimes. I mean, you do, you know, from a, I've read great scripts that have turned into bad movies and I've read mediocre scripts, which have come out pretty good. You know, it's just, it's a crapshoot. It's such a process from writing through the edit, through the score. There are so many variables.

However good you are, it doesn't matter, you know. It's like everything has to come together. That's what I always say. I always say it's like it's the perfect storm. It's like you could have great acting in a shitty movie. You could have a beautiful movie shot amazingly great story and the acting isn't very good or the music isn't good or something's not right or didn't get. It's just got to be the perfect kind of chemistry.

chemistry right yeah score can kill a film you know you can a good score can make a mediocre film good but a bad score can make a great film shit it just it's so important yeah and you wonder sometimes you're watching these movies and you're like how did they agree to this how did they agree to the score how did everybody go yeah i'm in i don't understand that how that works but i i don't i don't know maybe the director has a lot of control or whatever but listen were you always sort of outgoing in school? Were you the, I mean, were you popular? How was it growing up?

I don't, yeah. I mean, I was pretty outgoing. I mean, you know, school, it's like tribes, isn't it? You've got, there's this group and that group. And I wasn't in the kind of like with the jocks and stuff. But I wasn't, I wasn't unpopular. I got pushed around a little bit because I was a bit of a show off and that pissed people off. What did you show off?

What would you do? Just kind of mouth people? You know. My teacher used to every Monday morning would let me tell a joke in front of the class, like get up and tell a joke. So that I think it was his way of kind of like, kind of exhausting me a little bit. Do you know what I mean? So I would calm down.

But that was like, yeah. And then I guess my mom was big into like community theater. So I hung around a lot of those kind of show people as a kid. And then when I got to about 15. the idea of doing it for a living sort of cropped up because there was a college course that let you do like theater studies, a level, which is our kind of college, just before we go to university here. And my mom was just like, yeah, go for it. Why not? And that was that. You know, I remember I was like that in school, too, where I got picked on, but I was always

Malvin. I had a quick, you know, yapper. I was just like quick, quick with the wit, I guess. And I remember things like my teacher, Mr. Shelby in pre-algebra, because I wasn't smart enough for algebra. He was facing the board and writing something. And I just did this incredibly loud armpit fart, this, you know, and I ripped one. And everybody started laughing. And he wasn't even, he was looking at the board. He goes, Rosenbaum out in the hallway. And I walked out the door, and then I stopped and I turned to him, like in a movie.

And I go, how did you know? me. He goes, get out. Get out now. You know, like, form. That's why. Yeah. Was heeded you. Were you a fan of like Star Trek and Mission Impossible and horror movies growing up? I mean, what was it you liked? Oh, yeah. I mean, I mean, Star Wars hit for me when I was eight, actually. It came to the UK in 78. It came the winter after it came out in America. And that hit like a bomb for me, as it did for most children of that age. And I was, I'd already, you know, been into kind of science fiction

in like Ray Harry has in movies, Jason and the Argonauts, Simbad, that kind of stuff. And then, yeah, Star Wars just sort of, it just, it was seismic, wasn't it? I mean, it was just one of those moments that it will never happen again, ever. And it just changed my life in so many ways. And then I started seeking out.

And then I found the old, original series of Star Trek. So I used to watch that. They repeated that in 1979 on BBC 2. It's been like six o'clock every night. I watched that religiously. Love that. What about Doctor Who? Was that around when you were young? Yeah. Yeah. Well, Doctor Who? Absolutely. I watched that from a very early age. That was back when it was like cardboard. I mean, the ridiculous, just ridiculous. But you never questioned it. You watched it and you believed the Daleks and you believe that however amateur and cheap it looked yeah it didn't matter because you use your imagination you know i mean so when you get

to do these things like mission impossible and doctor who is it just surreal is it at first is it do you get nervous are you like oh my god i'm doing something that's larger than life utterly i remember when i was in doctor who in 2005 it's happened so many times for me in a in a weird way, you know, winding up in Star Trek and having a little something to do. Well, actually, I did a little bit in the Force Awakens, but I also did a voice, Gangaar, the banty hunter in Clone Wars, and I was a droid.

Come on. This is a little known fact. I voiced a droid called Omri in a Star Wars game, who was the red protocol droid who ended up giving his arm to Threpeo in the Force Awakens. Wow. But being on the set of Star Wars, that that was just incredible. I remember, you know, being there on the day when Harrison Ford and Jonas, who was then, who would play Chewbacca standing up at that time because Peter Mayhew had bad knees,

so he'd always be Chewbacca sitting there. The Onus is the loveliest guy. Yeah, he's so sweet, isn't it? He, when I first, when I first walked into the tent and, um, and he was there in, in his Chewbacca costume, um, I've never, even now, when you see Chewbacca, you don't see a man in a suit. You know, you see a living animal. You see a wookie. You don't, it's impossible in a way to, to even consider this a man in a suit. And so I walked into this room. You know, that's what a child would say. That's what a child would say, which is this is just, it's just, it's just. That's my inner child. Inner child. I love that. I love that. But go ahead. So I said, I walk in, and there's Chewbacca. Like, my favorite Star Wars character, and he is exactly the same as he was.

And I just kind of like, Mike, I weld up a little bit. And Jonas, who's from Finland, went, oh, hey, man, has it going? And I went, shut out, shut up. Don't talk to me. Just growl. Don't talk to me. Just growl and hug me. of you is brought to you by quince i love quince ryan i've told you this before i got this awesome

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museum. It was like all the waxworks had come to life. Everybody was there. I mean, I'm Mickey Rooney, Jerry Lewis, Ernest Borgnoin, like old school people. Ernest Borgnine? Everybody from, everybody from Mickey Rooney to Justin Bieber and everyone else, you know, like everybody was there. It was ridiculous. I remember walking in with me and Pine walked in and I went up to talk to David Lynch and he went up to talk to Brad pit. It was like, I went for the weirdo. He went for the handsome guy. I love that. I love that. But I met Harrison that day. Weirdly enough, I've walked in and I saw John Landis and I know John because I'd work with him. And I, and it was such a scary room. And I thought, I'll go speak to

John. It'll be okay. You know, because it was nerve wracking. And I walked up with John, John, John. And he turned to me, went, you fucking asshole. And I was like, what, what? And I realized he was standing with Shatner and Harrison Ford and he thought I'd just come over to kind of, you know, earwig on their conversation. And I hadn't. Anyway, so I got to meet him then. Was he just kind of, nice to meet you. How are you? Yeah, super cool guy. Really, really, I mean, he, it was really weird actually because I remember he was the least freaked out of the old cast about being back. He was really philosophical about it. I remember him, he'd done that scene where he says, Chui, we're home. And he came around to the monitor

and he put his little Indiana Jones glasses on, which is weird because he was dressed as Han Solo and he had his round glasses on. And he watched the playback and he was just like, I remember saying I'm having fun. Whereas Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill were quite sort of, I think they found it quite overwhelming. I mean, Mark was pissed off because he wasn't in it very much. Right. Well, he eventually got a big part in. Yes, he did. But yeah, just being around those people and those practical sets and you know i'd love i've been in love with carrie fisher as a child like properly in love with her she was a dear friend of mine dear friend of mine i mean my first romantic love really and to to to hang with her and i it was magical she's she was

the most down-to-earth celebrity i've ever met to this day where besides you of course but but like she i once told her like um you know she i had to code to her house to her gate and she's like if you're just in Beverly Hills you have an auditioner so stop by make yourself a sandwich it was like an open door policy with her and I remember she said you know you and I go you remind me so much of your my grandmother's because fuck you I'm like no no that's not what I meant I didn't meant like you look like her I meant like she was always like everybody was in the house and people were walking around and you'd walk into the house and there's Robert Downey Jr. playing the piano and somebody lying on the bed and you know she just was a regular

person. I had my mom met her and she looked at me in front of my mom and she goes, now I know why you're all fucked up. Just after talking to my mom for a minute. I got a great fuck you from her. I've told this story before so forgive me if I'm repeating myself but we

were walking around the set and I we were arm in arm and I looked at her and I said you know I've always loved you you know like really meant it. I looked into her eyes and she grabbed me by the hand and she held up my wedding ring and she went fuck you. that's totally her i have to sign a picture of uh princess lea from return of the jedi where

she's like uh you know with that little suit on and everything and yeah it just says it's in my office it just says michael blow me carry so it's really good for to show you know who is the real deal she was i think she was incredible because she just she was so frank about the impact of that film and on her life and she was so fucking funny and whip smart and you know it it was such a sad thing to lose she didn't change for anyone what you what you see was what you got that was that it was it was i can't even express it it was like she if no matter how big the celebrity or how small the celebrity or a nobody whatever everybody got treated the same she just she wasn't any different

you know how you turn it on when you're around certain people like oh yeah yeah i'm i'm smart but you're not you know like i've done that before you're around all these like big you know you're like oh yeah i went to the getty center again last week and uh shut the fuck up she was just like she would say things so brilliantly and articulately and i would go i don't understand what you're talking about she goes fuck you okay here's what i'm trying to tell you in layman's terms you know but she was zero she gave zero fox zero fox and she was so smart as well were your parents strict at all growing up no not really my mom my mom and dad split up when i was uh seven. And then I had a stepdad who was quite strict. He was a bit of a meany. And that,

I mean, that whole bit in Sean of the Dead about, you know, he's not my dad. That was, that was ripped out of my own life. In fact, the whole story about him chasing me around the garden with a bit of wood was totally, utterly true. Wow. Although I think I kind of, I sort of sublimated a weird excuse for his behavior in the film. He kind of says, I was just trying to keep you on the straight and narrow. And really, Richard, who I'm now very good friends with he was young when he married my mom and he didn't know how to deal with a seven year old boy and and he was childish you know and he behaved so but um that was my kind of fantasy that he was doing it for a reason not just because he fucking hated did he ever mention

it to you like after like huh who's that or did you tell i think he thought i think he he saw it and he thought yeah that's what i was doing by being you know a bit puffy with me but we're good friends now so it's all good when did you meet nick and Edgar? I met Nick in 1993 or four. I moved to London from Bristol where I was at university. My girlfriend at the time,

she went and got a job at this Mexican restaurant up the road from where we live, Chiquitos. Obviously, Mexican food in London is very good. And she came back one night and said, hey, there's a guy at work. He's really funny. And I was a stand-up comedian at all. trying to be sort of starting out.

That's what I did after uni was I, in order to just get earned money, I just went and did stand up. Because that's the way to make money. Yeah, I wanted to earn 50 pounds a night. That was my weekend. But Nick, she said there's this guy and he wants to be a stand-up comedian. Can you give him some advice?

So I met Nick at a party and he just came to every gig I did for like three weeks. And we spent like three weeks together and we just, there was this weird kind of. of, you know, we just connected and I just, but you know, the, the moment we really bonded, we were in an Indian restaurant called the Pink Rupee in Kilburn in North London. And he moved the salt across the table and he went, and making them, right? Wow.

And I knew, I want to know what that is. And, uh, and we kind of just bonded. And then me and that girl split up and I kept Nick. And we just, but he was like, he was like the funniest fucking guy you've. He is. He is. He just naturally, he says things no one else can say. And I was like, I have to harness this in some way. And he tried stand up, but he couldn't quite kind of make the transition from being funny, you know, one-on-one. Right. He'd become very mannered as a stand-up and the audience didn't quite go with it. So when we came to write Spaced, which was our sitcom,

We, Nick had this character of this kind of, you know, this sort of slightly patronizing, like territorial army guy, like a reserve guy. And, and I said, hey, can we write him into the, into the show? And then you can come and be in the show and then we can hang out more. And he was like, oh, okay. And that was his. Really? He didn't care. Like, sure.

Yeah. He was like, okay. It's better than being, well, at the time. He went back to being a waiter between seasons. but he was like, sure. I mean, he was sick the night before we shot the first episode. He was so nervous. He was sick with nervousness?

Yeah, yeah. Like, he couldn't, he thought someone was going to come along and tell him he couldn't be in the show. And even Edgar, Edgar only knew Nick vaguely. I'd met Edgar because he'd been employed by the Paramount Comedy Channel, which was a sort of cable channel we had here, to direct some stuff. I'd seen him at a bunch of things. He was always really chatty and kind of annoying. He came, we came from the same part of the UK.

And I was also, who the fuck is this? Like, he's like a kid with a beard. And he kept sort of like talking to me about, he'd seen me on the TV doing some standout. And then we did a show together called Asylum and, which was like a, you'd never get it made now. It was like a sitcom set in a psychiatric hospital. Awesome. That sounds actually awesome.

Yeah, it had a fairly sort of casual attitude towards mental health reductive. But when I saw the show, when he finally, because he used to do all this coverage and I was doing another TV sketch show five days a week and then I have to work one day on this. And I was like, oh man, what is this guy doing? And then I finally saw the show and I was like, holy shit, he had this whole show in his head with all these incredible transitions and, you know, he was 20. what for maybe and and i just thought this kid is a genius you know so when we came to look for a director for space it was like we got to get this guy edgar he's incredible

so it was that moment there's a moment where you go oh this guy's really smart yeah this is next it was just watching i'm going along for the ride here we we'd shoot a scene and then the camera would drift off and then we'd shoot a scene three weeks later and then i'd watch the whole show and i'd realized that he'd had all the transitions were just up there the style of the show it was just it was really really impressive isn't it amazing yeah amazing how like you notice a good director with transitions i always think that because they think okay what's in the script it's just like scene after scene after scene but like how you transition into the next scene what comes next how you make it interesting how you make it effortless it's it's like that's a huge part of it that

I think a lot of people forget it's like transitioning to see from scene to scene. Exactly, yeah. And sort of knowing where the eye will be when the next scene begins and stuff that you just can't really, you can only really feel. You know, I guess you can learn it at a film school. Yeah. He was just an absolute prodigy. And I said, hey, I'm going to bring my friend Nick to be in the show. And he was like, really?

He was the actor. I said, well, no, he's a waiter. He went, really? And then he he came on set and Edgar was like, oh, okay, I get it. And that was how the three of us came together. Really? So at first he was obviously skeptical and like going, I don't know, I'd like to audition someone.

I got this guy in mind. And you're just like bringing him along. You're like he's never acted before. He's a waiter. He failed at stand up. And this is the guy you bring in. He's like, hey, I'm Nick. Yeah, literally, literally.

And he's nervous. he's throwing up and somehow he saw the genius in him it was it was just complete serendipity and then through that first season you know our mind ego nick's friendship sort of really became strong and we shot this one sequence in space where i'm fighting zombies i'm like i've done so much speed that i i'm hallucinating it was a really it was a really tenuous way just to get some zombies on set and fire some shotguns and do a few kind of, you know, ash lines. Yeah.

And we got to the end of that morning and I go and I were like, we should make a movie. And that was how Sean was born. That was it. We've got to make a movie. And by the way, when Nick's doing this, do you notice him getting better and better and more confident? And like you saw this genius sort of rise from the ashes?

Yeah, 100%. Not just his, not just his performance ability, which is always very natural, but also his just his comfort on the set is the way he is with the crew you know he he he settled in really really quick and it was uh i was so proud of him you know because i took a punt really i was selfish of me because i kind of just wanted to i just wanted to be with him all this so it's like hey come to my work with me and and hang out isn't that something it's like i always said like you know my best friends in the world who i love being around it's just like you know

i couldn't i can't find a girl and i'm single and all this for something many years and then i'm like i just look at my best friend i go god i wish you had a vagina you know it's like it because this is like this is perfect you we don't need to talk we don't need i don't need to worry about what how you're feeling right now or what you're doing or you just but that's guys you know you know it's guys but then there there are there's someone out there for everybody that you can be yourself and you know it's yeah it takes a while it takes a while me and nick are always like like nick i'll get a text from nick and we'll be sitting in the living room at home and I'll just burst out laughing and my wife

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feeling awful yeah and um so i quit drinking at 40 and then um but it comes back it's so it's it's on your shoulder you know all the time and and sometimes you'll just feel incredibly anxious or you'll you feel it you know it creeps up on you and and you just deal with it i i'm on some stuff and i i have therapy and i just try and cope as best i can yeah you know for me it was was in look every drug works for different people so it's not like this is the one but i i've been on lexapro for about a year and a half and it's certainly changed a lot oh that's good suddenly i wasn't riddled with anxiety all the time about everything i would be yeah i'm anxious about waking up and like like i'm anxious about everything i mean everything yeah it's like your brain your brain

knows that you're safe but your nervous system thinks you're in mass sorry that's my that's my fucking dishwasher your your nervous system is convinced you're a bad guy you know and I don't work and you like why I don't want to feel like this why I don't it just happens

and so you know there's no danger it's just but you have that hot your heart's going you have that sense of imminent danger it's it's a horrific feeling it's really uncommon have you ever had it on set or before a scene or you have a panic attack? I had a weird panic attack on stage once.

I was in New Zealand and I was doing a gig. I was in Wellington. And I had a weird panic attack on stage, but I kind of retreated inside myself to deal with it. Kept doing my material. I don't know if it showed on my face, but I just remember the whole room just went like,

I felt like I was in a goldfish bowl. My heart rate was going like this. And I managed to kind of work through it, but, um, but no, not on set. I find, I find set to be a very happy place. You know, it's a place where I feel kind of safe and, um, and it makes me happy. So I think it kind of mitigates, um, the black dog, as we call it. Do you guys, you and Nick, do you, um, have that relationship even through the dark stuff? You've seen him at his darkness.

He's seen you at your dark. and you you call each other, you're there for him, he's there for you, you've seen it all. Oh, yeah, he, we were always checking in on each other. You know, recently I've had a bit of a kind of flare-up, and he every day checks in, checking in, how are you? And he speaks to my wife, and, you know, it's, he's good because we've both been through it, you know.

We both, we both, I've had that sort of, that experience. And, I mean, Nick's dealt with a lot of, of loss in his life he's been bereaved so many times i remember there was a time when it was it was annually for a while close family members you know and um and and and you know you've just got to you just got to be there and say look you know if you want to talk to me or if you need me i'm here and he's he's the same for me and it's good it's good as you know it's good when you when someone gets it when someone's been there too have you ever just said i'm coming over now I'm on my way

because he lives too far away when his I think you know when I think when he lost his mom I think we were together when he lost his mom we were in LA it was in we were on like the Sean of the Dead

video promotional tour and I was with him in the car but when he lost his dad as well I you know you just you make the journey you go straight down there and I mean I love the guy and I I always want to be around for him if he needs me yeah I remember I was at a convention and I had already hung out with nick before and we knew each other and we text and this and that

and I was at this kind I was definitely going through something I was just and you know when you're at the convention signing or whatever you just sort of go through the motion sometimes when you're not I felt like I was going but I'm a good bullshitter I can fucking fake it you won't if I'm depressed. You won't know if I'm anxious. You don't know, you won't know if I just cried, you know, penis tears. I don't know what that means. But like, I'm using it. I'm using it. Use it. But I remember, I went up to him and we talked. I go, yeah, blah, blah, blah. And then I get a text from him. And it says, hey, mate, I'm just checking in on you. And I'm like, hey, thanks. Was there a reason? He goes, yeah, I noticed something was a little

little off with you he just seemed like there's something going on like he he was a fucking jettie master or a fucking i don't know what it was but he read read me so nobody else got it and i go wow thank you so much yeah i'm going through you know a little and he talked to me about it and it was just so touching because nobody does that we know it's like we know our own kind you know i think i think often as well if you're creative and you're sensitive and you know not to blow our collective trumpets but if you're smart at least sort of kind of you know life smart then these things can get to you a little easier you know i think ignorance is bliss and uh sometimes when you know too much about stuff it can it creeps in yeah when did when did you know

you were famous when did you know wow my life was fucking changed there's something different now and how did that how did that feel And how did you react to it? You know what? I tell you a funny story. I remember the first person that ever came up to me and said that they'd seen spaced and they really liked it. And I was in Camden, Camden Market in London.

And this young girl comes rushing up to me. She's, oh, oh, I just watch your show. It's really good. I really like it. And I was so kind of like touched. And we had a little chat. and I said bye and thanks and then like maybe five no maybe 10 years later I was at the I was at some music event on the BBC it was like a kind of a music show lots of different artists and Amy Winehouse

was there and she came out to me and I said do you remember me and I said what you remember me and I said what are you talking about your Amy Winehouse and she said I came up to you in Camden Carpark I was like what And so Amy Winehouse was the first person to ever come up to me and say hi. And that, that was such a funny thing to discover that that good. I mean, she was like a teenager working on the stalls there, you know. Wow. That is awesome.

What an awesome thing. It's amazing how like sometimes you work with people or you meet people and you have, I always say like, I heard it from someone else, but like it's just like you should treat everybody the same. you should be kind with everyone kindness gets you everywhere and i think that's so true because i remember like just working with someone and you know they were i was just really nice to them helping them out and trying to make them feel comfortable and then they just got larger than life and they blew up and they took me aside and were like hey you really were nice to me and and i was

wow it's amazing how just being kind to someone could you imagine if you were just an asshole and you're It's like, yeah, okay, yeah, thanks, space. I think people, I've only, I've met a few, not many, but I've met a few. And the ones I have met, I can honestly say it's insecurity. It's, it's a huge, it's a, it's an armor against massive self-doubt. Do you think people need to say something to those people, like to just take them aside and say, listen, you have to be aware of your behavior? Do you think that helps?

Yes, but the worst thing, what you don't want to do, is for them to suddenly, like, go storming off set. I remember, you know, Vincent Donofrio, who's, you know, he's a tough, he's a friend of mind. He's a, he's a tough guy. He's a character. He doesn't, you know, put up with a lot of shit. And he, I asked him about that. And he goes, I go, what do you do? He goes, I take him aside. And I go, what do you say to him? I tell him they have to stop what they're doing. Yeah. And he just says it straight face. And I go, yeah, what do they say? They usually do it. I'm like, and I think that, you know, if you do, I get, you're right, though, it could really piss someone up.

Like, fuck you. Don't tell me what the, I'm a, you know, it can flip things out. You don't want to. And if it's Vincent Donofrio telling you what to do, you're going to do it. You're going to do it. I'm like, yes, I'm so sorry. I'm going to go buy everyone cake and coffee. The whole crew and I just, thank you. Do you, have you ever been mobbed by people? Yes. I mean, usually at, um, it's like when, you go to it's like it's exactly the same for you in that kind of no if you go if you go to comic con if you go somewhere your people are i mean people come up people are going to get people are going to get i've seen i've been around cruise when when he gets mobbed that's that is something to behold because i remember we did a recie in uh we were in vienna and we just went out to walk around this uh this subway and to to lens out some scenes we

going to do for Rogue Nation and like one person spotted him and then two and then three and then within about 50 minutes there were a hundred people around us all with their phones and he's just in the middle of it kind of you know and we draw I remember we were shooting in Casablanca and we were shooting the car chase in Rogue Nation and we were bombing around these alleyways and and we were it was about a mile from unit base and he said you want to come in come in my car with me and we'll get back a bit quicker and we drove down it was just an avenue of Moroccan men all going Tom Cruise Tom Cruise Tom Cruise like banging off the car like this and I was just sat in the car just it was fucking terrified he's just sat there like

that's it fucking tried on it he does he's like and I'm sure you could say this I remember meeting him I'm telling you I met him for a minute I was introduced by a mutual friend and I said, hey, I'm Michael. And it was it. It was forgettable. I was forgettable. And about a year later, I was at some party and he was at. And I walked by and I said, I kind of nodded at him. He goes, hey, I met you at Binder's house. Michael. And I go, what? Why would you know my name? Like he was so kind. Like I didn't understand how anybody could be that friendly. I don't remember people's names right when they introduced themselves.

I immediately forget and I feel so bad. I'm like, you just said your fucking name and I'm thinking about my own shit and I don't even remember what I just fuck you said. And that happened. Yeah. But he's like, he will, you know, he's very good at that. I think he's

very aware of the effect that he has. And so his kind of a behavioral pattern is to immediately put people at ease by being very, very nice. So he's very good with fans. He's very good with people he's being introduced to.

You know, it's just that's part of his thing. That's part of who he is. He's built this, you know, in order to survive. How is he honestly on set? Is he just like just giving and there for you? Yeah, he's fine. I mean, you know, he's a producer on mission as well. So he, you know, he cracks the whip as well.

And, you know, things get done. when he's around. He's always very courteous. He's great with the crew. I can tell when he's not in a good mood, but I can tell he's terrible when he's in a great mood because he just gets really... What's going on? Yeah, yeah. We can't get... He'll always try and fuck me over on my coverage. If things are going well and, you know, because we laugh a lot on set. Chris McQuarrar is great to work with. There's always a lot of... And it's a fun, It's a fun sure. It's hard and sometimes it's arduous,

but, you know, there are days when I just see he gets that little glint in his eye and I'm like, you don't fucking dare, man, because I've got, I'm in this film too. You know? Tim's new scrambled egg loaded croissant. Or is it croissant? No matter how you say it.

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You ever meet someone who you admired, but they turned out to be an asshole and you were so bummed? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, yeah, a couple of people. I won't name names. Yeah. Like you were like surprised, like, oh, that sucks. It's so disappointing, isn't it? It's so disappointing.

You expect as well when you meet someone on a professional level and you're not just a You're not just someone coming up in the street. And, you know, I mean, I always, always, always try and be as nice as I possibly can to anyone who comes up. Because I know it's the first time they've done it. They're probably nervous. And you just have to, and I'm sure I've been grumpy day some days when it just hasn't been the right moment. And I haven't been able to be as curtis as I wanted to be. But, you know, when you're a, when it's an industry peer,

You expect some kind of like, I don't know, some, some, some courtesy. I remember Beverly DeAngelo, and I had met Chevy Chase before. And Beverly, did I tell you the story, Ryan? And I'm at a convention. And Beverly was like, hey, let's get a picture with Chevy. It was her idea. And I go, oh, okay. And we go over there.

And she goes, Chevy, this is Michael. You met him before. We're going to do a picture. And he's like, well, you know, he just like dismissed me, but it was fine. And we're talking. I go, hey, it's okay. I'm totally forgettable. He goes, don't yell in my ear.

And I go, smile. And I remember going, oh, my God. And I remember, well, before when he said that, he said, don't talk. Don't yell in my ear or something like that. And I go, he's serious? And Bev goes, just stop it. Don't worry about it. He's quite notorious, though, is he?

He's a bit of a. I guess it was like. I guess he's getting old. Well, your parents completely blown away when you, when you hit this, like, stardom, were they like, was your mom like, hey, can you come to the hair salon with me? Hey, my friend wants to meet you. Can you sign this? Can you do this?

No, not really. I mean, because it kind of happened very gradually. Yes. Yeah. You know, in increments. And, you know, it's always really nice to be able to take them to premieres and stuff and and introduce them to people and be able to do stuff which is, you know, novel for them. But occasionally I get like, oh, you know, Jane's son is a big fan.

You sign a DVD for him, that kind of thing. But not really. They're quite sort of philosophical about it. This is called shit talking with Simon Pegg, folks. Patreon.com slash inside of you, sports podcast. So, Simon, this is rapid fire. okay these are fans it's easy and if you want to elaborate on one you can do what you want i don't give a shit i'll try not to let i'll try not to Elizabeth l what was your favorite memory

working on the star trek movies oh i think writing beyond uh even though it was very hard work and um uh you know and i co-wrote it with Doug jung who was a fantastic guy but just the the whole process of of getting to write a star trek film to create a character I name that the planet in Star Trek Beyond is called Altamid and it's an anagram of Matilda, which is my daughter's name. So to get to do that is my favorite. That's awesome. Dev Nexon. Now, this is an odd question. What do you tend to wear when you do voice work? I wear sweats and a t-shirt. I did it yesterday. Always. Comfort is the thing. You're going to be in that box for a long time. You know, shorts maybe. People always say, what do you?

prefer you know live action or a voiceover i'm like well voiceover's a lot easier you're not i find it hard though don't i find the energy of voiceover it is it is exhausting it really is because you're really it doesn't it does take it out of you neko p what's the biggest difference when working on a tom cruise movie set as compared to others you have worked on like for instance even sean of the dead or whatever well tom cruise isn't there that's the big difference Tom Cruise is an industry, and when you're in, we call it, there's a computer shop in the UK called PC World, and we call working with Tom T.C. World. And it's just a different thing. When it's me, Edgar, and Nick, it's our own thing, and it's a little bit more, it's a little less

crazy. A little less stressful. Not loopy crazy, but, you know. I mean, you're getting paid a lot more for a Tom Cruise movie, but you're less stressed on another movie. Exactly. Exactly. Swings and round back. And you could say add things like, oh, can I, can I, can I, can I, I think we should do this. And we're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And some of these are like, yeah, yeah, let's just, let's just stick to this. This is good. Exactly. I don't know. Let's do it by the book.

Leanne, if you had to describe yourself in one word, what would it be and why? Complex. Complex? Are you complex? I think so. I don't I think I'm I am yeah because like we all are in a way I mean I could say I'm happy or but then sometimes I'm not you know I could say I'm friendly but then that doesn't cover it everything I think I'm a human I guess so complete yeah we'd never look at you and think but I don't know you like when you you're at a con you're wonderful you're like you don't seem complex you seem like an easy going guy but maybe there's a lot of complexity I mean look the way you're like the way you you write the way you think the way you i mean i'm i'm sure it's there obviously but uh you don't show it you don't show the the stress you don't uh so anyway nancy d what is a piece of advice you received early in your career that you still follow today besides a zero gravity chair i was going to say that i always like michael kane's advice of don't blink do not blink when you're acting don't blink do you do a lot of impressions

I do a very good Michael Cain and that's probably about it. That's so good. I can't do that. My English accent's like, I could do a little bit of Gary Oldman. In what? When you're dealing in an industry like this,

you've got, I have a great ego. Francis Ford Copeland has an ego the size of San Francisco. I don't know. You know, the best advice that I give, I think, and I give to my kid is, and I would give to everyone who's coming up is find the thing that you love to do and try and get paid for it.

That's the advice for life. It sure as hell is. And don't listen to anybody else telling you what you should do. Do what you want to do. Flortatious B last one. What is your favorite age of cinema? I would say probably the 70s. I mean, just and 70s and 80s, I guess,

because that's when I, you know, the movie brats moving into into the kind of the generation after that. So, yeah, the 70s and 80s. And I know that's me. That's nostalgia because there have been every, every era. Oh, my God. Oh, my fucking God.

I saw the substance today. I don't say anything. Don't say a word. I don't know anything about it. I'm going to see it. See it. Just see it. It is amazing.

People that just are, yes, I'm going to see it. I want to see it immediately. Watch it with a big audience. as well if you can just because as a communal experience, it's out of this world. Okay. Anyway, no, no. By the way, what's your favorite horror movie you think?

If you have the, you know, mine's like the shining alien, the thing, Texas chainsaw mask her, same as you. You said it. The thing, I would say, the shining, definitely the shining. I noticed a lot of this, you'll see, you'll notice in the substance, you'll see little touchstones that you'll recognize. Oh, yeah. stylistically. But yeah, I think that I would say the thing, American wealth in London,

the shining, dawn of the dead, the original. I love it. All right. Are you going to do another Doctor Who or would you if they asked you? I don't know. I mean, I kind of feel like, you know, because I played that one character. I don't know if I'd go back and do it again. You got a Star Trek sequel coming up. I hope so. I mean, this has talked about all the time. We don't get, you know, we know as much as everyone else. There's a script been in development for for god knows how long and every time i see jj he's he's sort of like yeah i think something's gonna happen but i'd love it too i really would but i can't be sure and mission impossible eight that's probably gonna happen or you know yes that's gonna happen that's coming out in uh may 24th next year have you

seen it or anything i have just finished shooting i've got one day of pickups to do i've seen some of it it's bananas it's absolutely bananas what he does in this one it boggles the mind i think this one is the best one ever wow and i'm not just saying that because it's like oh you've got to say no i mean if you're blown away by you're just saying that of course you're saying you're an actor you're promoting it it is going to be great i love it this has been an absolute treat i wish you only the best um i love this and i love seeing you um and i'm going to get that shot of the dead poster and put it up with all these other horror posters you will man well we're email buddies now and it was it was lovely

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he goes well have fun with simon uh i can't do it right now but it's been a year and a half and still nothing but you know i wanted that because i think he's a terrific director so you know it's selfish of me yeah i want him on the podcast but i think a lot of people would like to hear how he sort of creates these worlds and how he works with simon and nick and all that anyway thanks for uh listening and uh i appreciate it remember at b michael rosenbaum on instagram you could see on my link tree everything cameo uh we announced a smallville cruise yes not only is there a smallville con coming to chicago next year in june i think that's out there i don't know if it's out there yet but there's also a smallville cruise in june june 15th i believe so welling and i

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