Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - SKEET ULRICH: Leaking the End of Scream, Close to Death at 10 & Newfound Perspective in Fatherhood

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

Skeet Ulrich (Scream, Jericho) joins us this week and shares crazy experiences from his childhood like getting life saving open heart surgery at age 10 and being kidnapped by his father at age 6. Skeet talks about his journey in the Scream franchise, his bond with the cast and crew, and one story where he almost spoiled the crazy reveal by doing press before it was released. We also talk about his outlook on life after kicking booze, reflecting on his broken upbringing after becoming a father, and how close Jericho was to actually coming back on a major streamer. Thank you to our sponsors: 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🏈 PrizePicks: https://prizepicks.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We just hit it off. We both like, what do you call it? Cornhole. Cornhole. We like Cornhole. And we met at a con through Kristen. And we just hit it off. He's just like a regular dude who's hard of gold, fun, funny.

He gets it. and he really opens up this episode and uh skeet thanks thanks for coming on man i really appreciate it man it was really nice of you and uh yeah what else can i say hey if you like this episode and you don't you just like skeet and you you've never listened to this if you enjoy it oh i ask you is subscribe to the show and uh write a review follow us uh i would appreciate it's a little podcast that could we've been doing this we talk candidly with celebrities about personal life, mental health, and other things. And we've grown a nice audience, a loyal audience.

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Skeet Ulrich it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience I'm just waiting for, I just, you know, just went, oh, man. Yeah, well, what Skeet and I were talking about was I did this show that hasn't aired yet. And I had to get high. And I don't get high very up. Had to. Well, you know, it's part of the show.

It is the show. It's the show. And so I was, you know, they called me the night before. And they sent the script. And I go, oh, this is five pages of dialogue. I don't, I'm not memorizing this shit. I just said flat out, get someone else. And they're like, no, no, no, you just have to know the story.

So just read it over. I go, oh, the story. So I kind of looked it over, and then the next morning, the producers come in. They go, hey, and they're all really nice. And they sit down and they're like, all right, tell us the story. And I go, all right. And I kind of had the gist of it. And they go, okay, I think we'll bring in the guy who's going to give you the weed.

And, you know, we have a medic there. We have someone who's by your side. If you need anything, if you need a break. A medic. Because I'm thinking, oh, shit, man, do people freak out? I mean, I think I would, yeah. Well, I don't smoke joints. I have not had a hit on a joint, and I don't know how long.

I've taken taffies. The taffies are in mellow. I'm telling you, I was so high, I couldn't even finish a sentence. I'd start a story and I was really into it. And then all of a said, I go, where was that going? Oh, boy, I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know what I'm talking about. But they made you feel really comfortable, and there's a bunch of other

actors that did it. And I can't believe I did it, but I guess I wanted to get through it so I could just be like, you know, you got through that. You did it. It was a buddy of yours though that does it or well, my buddy. Your buddy had done stand up with called me and said, would you do the show and my agent and all the stuff? And I was like, ah, you've done stand up. Yeah, yeah. I did it for like a year and no way. And then I realized I just don't want to go to these small cities and like constantly flying. So I already got you on a tangent. You're not even smoking. I'm not even inside. This is inside of me. Do you, now you get high here and there. I don't. I too yeah yeah but i'm like a one inhale kind of and then you're a and then i'm like wishing i wasn't

and like yeah did you get paranoid i start to now in my latter years i want you to be comfortable by the way i'm good now are you sure you don't want to prop that why don't you prop that behind your back no this feels good now you like that feeling kingly it's a good hat thank you uh yeah no yeah i mean i definitely dabble and always have for for many many years um but i've had years i don't so you know yeah i don't know yeah i mean it's i i don't drink anymore congrats how do you feel honestly don't lie honestly no lie a million times better why what about you is better uh i think the thing that like you don't realize is how much it affects your hormones your dopamine your gaba because it's a depressant right it's a depressant but it

you know what it does is it gives you a dopamine spike and that's why you chase drinks all night like you're getting that little elevated feeling and then it starts to dissipate rather quickly so you grab another one you get that spike again and then it starts to fade and you grab another one and what happens is your body cuts off making its own dopamine because it's getting the dough it's going over its full limit and so it cuts off its own and then when that alcohol dopamine wears off rather quickly you're in the depressant stage because your dopamine's been depleted yeah and so you know i mean i i guess i i'm finding, you know, and again, I wasn't, I wouldn't have considered myself an alcoholic per se. How many drinks did you have a week? Well, that was the thing. Near the last couple of months prior to stopping, I was, I was getting up there. I was probably having four or five drinks at night. That's probably alcoholism. That is definite alcoholism. That wasn't regular or part of my life necessarily, only until recently, but it was kind of a godsend. And it, it, woke me up to any amount of it and the need to sort of just go, I need a break.

And I, and then you said that yourself. I said it myself. And then doing the research, I was, you know, I was listening to the Huberman Lab and stuff like that who I really dig the way he breaks stuff down medically and psychologically and hormonally, et cetera. But, you know, it's, it was definitely, you know, taking a toll on me. and I kind of was knowing I needed to just take a break and thinking like a year is what I'm after.

Right. Because that's the neural repair process is about a year. And I don't know. I just feel so good. I'm like, why would I go back? You look better. Thank you. I mean, I've had friends say that as well.

But I noticed you just look, you look, I mean, you look good, but you look better. Yeah, I can see it in people who do it as well. My mom has done it for almost two years now. like the you know she's 74 but her skin looks like she's in her you know 50s again yeah the the amount it dehydrates you and you know and so there's a lot of benefit for me you think to stopping completely yeah but you think that you because you had so many health issues as a kid i know that yeah that you would have been like because you were close to death how many times uh just one time but that was enough yeah the the one time pre-surgery i mean i had a 25% chance of surviving it and

You know, I've always, I've never touched cocaine or any hard drugs. Because that's all hard, man. Yeah, like, I remember Lenny Byas. I remember where I was when Lenny Byas was announced. On the court, right? No, he died. No, wasn't there a guy that died on a court? Yeah, there was, Hank.

Hank Gathers. Hank Gathers, yeah. Hank Gathers, pulled that in my high ass. Still high from yesterday. Jesus. But Len Byers. But Len Byers. who would dominate Michael Jordan.

He was, you know, in my mind at that time anyway, in college, playing for Maryland versus UNC, he would dominate Jordan. And he was drafted number one and did Coke for the first time, supposedly in his life, and died that instantly. And I was like, if this guy who runs sprints for two hours dies from it because his heart fails, like, what's a kid with, you know, heart issues? What they would destroy it? I know it.

How old were you when you had your heart surgery? I was 10. And you had ventricular septal defect, yeah, VSD, it's commonly called, which is typical. It's the last part of the heart to form in utero, primarily because it, you know, it's the wall between the lower chambers of the heart, which delineates oxygenated from deoxygenated blood. And in utero, there is no difference. You're in amniotic fluid. You're not breathing there. So it's one of the last things to form.

And if you're premature, typically a dozen. And even my daughter who was premature, you know, she had a small one that closed within a couple months. Were you scared, shitless? I don't remember being scared. I remember being scared of the IV the morning of. Oh, I meant your daughter. Oh, my daughter.

No, because I kind of knew, you know, I had enough knowledge on it. And, you know, and I knew that that was typical. And, you know, had it been going on for six months to a year, I would have been a little more worried but I knew the you know I knew about it yeah I mean when you're a kid how old when you had surgery I was 10 10 so you remember it I remember it yeah you remember all I remember waking up in the I think I woke up in the operating room now whether that was you know the drugs I was on the morphine or what but I woke up in the operating room and there was a guy standing at my foot at the foot of my bed with flowers and a balloon

What? And he looked at me and he was like, you passed with flying colors. Now, clearly that guy didn't exist. They don't allow that guy in the operating. Yeah, they don't need some clown coming in your fucking surgery. Hey, hey, hey, buddy. Hey, can I go in there?

I just want to congratulate this kid almost died. Jesus. So whether that's guardian angel or morphine dreams or whatever, I saw it. I saw it, yeah. Vividly. Yeah, yeah. That's freaky. I thought, you know, maybe, maybe they didn't tell you.

maybe you you for a second you died you died maybe maybe you know they stop your heart well they put it on a bypass machine man that's got to be the scariest thing for your mom was she freaking out just yeah i think she you know she definitely was yeah she was definitely worried and how do you i mean how does she know i mean you talked about this before right yeah yeah yeah yeah it's not like something something really new but like when you're young are you having a lot of issues till that point i mean i had a i had a bunch of things happened from like my brother and i were kidnapped when we were six yeah what the fuck was that i read that i couldn't believe it and you're aware of it at that age right yeah i mean it was our it was our birth father but we didn't know him and he was never

around and he you know gave us to this woman he was married to and then gave us to her parents and then like you know we moved around so much and then whether i wasn't allowed to see a doctor or just didn't either way i didn't um and you know they yeah it was my care was not of utmost concerned did he get in trouble no they didn't even put him away for that no no because he it's called kidnapping it is yeah yeah but i think you know there had to be stuff filed and charges and all this stuff and your mom didn't do that no she didn't and i don't blame her necessarily and you know i'm sure there's a lot more to it that I don't even know or understand or that can be reclaimed, you know, in a way. So, um, for whatever reason, no. Um, and that's all right. Was it good times

at all? Do you remember? I, you know, I remember my brother and I really like, you know, he's 10 months older and we just sort of made our way everywhere we went, you know, and, and he got a streak of gray hair at like 16 from having been my dad for already 10 years at that point but we bounced around we were initially in miami and we would like do all kinds of shit through the streets of miami and nothing i mean we were six and seven years old nothing crazy just like but you had that freedom in the street coming home to an empty house every day and like you know you didn't know any better no this is what it is yeah and we were like yeah whatever you know we had fun is he still with you yeah yeah do you talk to him

My brother? No, your dad. Oh, I don't know him at all. You don't know him at all. So once he, your mother, you were reunited with your mom. Yeah. Right at 10. How 10?

Yeah. 10. Yeah. He sort of disappeared. And that was it. He did disappear. Never came back in your life, even when you had success. He did one day.

You know, when I remember I was going to NYU and internet, at least for me anyway, came to Manhattan around 92, 91, 92. And I remember, I don't even think it was. certainly it wasn't Google back then, but I'd searched him, found him living in Baltimore, Maryland, had his phone number, called him. He came up to New York for about an hour. An hour? An hour. Was he emotional? No, he was not at all. And he didn't even really talk about the past. He only talked about my uncle was a very successful NASCAR driver. And at that time, he was very successful. That was his brother? No, my mom.

your mom's brother and um and he just wanted to talk about him and you know that's weird yeah he hasn't seen his son in all these years and then he showed up on my farm when i was like 32 for about an hour and i was pissed after that one well what did he say talk about this time nothing he had this his stepdaughter with him and like you know it was passing through the area and thought i was first thing i said how did you find me you know like in the middle of no I'm 500 acres in the middle of nowhere, Virginia, and he said, I thought it was, you know, I saw an interview you did or something and, like, about the mountains. And, like, I was passing through this area and I asked the sheriff, he told me where you

lived. I called the sheriff after he left. The fuck are you doing, sheriff? Well, sorry about that, Skeeter. We, uh, we just, we get calls all the time like that. Normally, we direct him right to you. Well, yeah, you think a boy would like to see his, Paul. We're going to.

we're going to charge you secretarial fees too yeah so you got pissed i internally i was pissed not during did he ever ask you like hey how are you doing i'm so proud of you you're doing great i don't remember feeling that you know i i don't know i i don't know i couldn't tell you what the conversation really was it was just my kids were a year old just over year old and yeah They were just walking. The next day, we were moving back here to L.A. from Virginia. Like, the kid's mom happened to be, like, running errands. It wasn't there.

It was weird sort of hour of, you know, I was like, why don't you, you know, I answered the door and Jacob and I are standing beside me. He's like, who are they after a couple of initial words or whatever? Well, that's your, no, buddy. You know, do you want to come in for some water? And he was like, well, I probably won't be staying that long. And I'm like, oh, why did you fucking come here? Like, you know, all the therapy, all the stuff you go through to move, Pat. And then, like, dude's going to show up at your first step for an hour.

You're fucking my therapy up. I'm fine now without you. And then you showed up. So that had to have some. I mean, I wonder what therapy was like after he left. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think it took me a little while to get back into therapy after that just from life, kids. Yeah.

Started my first TV. show ever that next couple of months um which was 90 hour weeks as you know it's fucking brutal oh yeah so my life changed over that next couple years and then i got into therapy and again and yeah do you resent him i don't i don't really feel much about him to be honest you've gotten to the point where you just don't feel anything yeah i mean you know i i said to the first therapist analyst i ever went to in my early 20s you know as i was really angry and lamenting my childhood and you know particularly not having a father and this and that and i and i was i remember you know crying to him that like there's nothing that will ever fix this

nothing you know and and he said that may not be true he said when you become a father you will get to relive it from the other side in a way that will be very healing and man was he right. I got to do everything I wish I had had. There it is. And that was so healing. And, you know, my kids and I are so tight. It's unbelievable. I got to get somebody pregnant. Maybe that's, maybe that's the key. Well, there's this girl that I know that says you did. No. Oh my God. What? What? Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money period it's rocket money it's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions monitors your spending and helps lower your bills so you can grow your

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Quince.com slash inside of you. No, but it was, and he was not wrong. He was really, really spot on about that. Like, it was very healing. Because you're becoming the father that he never was to your children. And you're giving them everything he didn't give you, which is so fulfilling and cathartic, yeah that it's like that's that's a beautiful thing because it could go the other way like you know

you could you know following the footsteps of being like sort of a you know I don't want to say deadbeat dead beat dead beat dad yeah you know it would have been easy to do for sure you know I shouldn't say that and blame more compassion well it's because of him that's why I'm the way I am yeah yeah that's the circle yeah you got a brain you broke it yeah because your kids and my brother broke it at the same time like he you know he has he's an unbelievable dad And he always was from the time we were, he was seven, really. So it's not a shock. Yeah.

But my niece and nephew, you know, he has gone through hell and high water for any whim they have. And not in a, not in a spoiling way or a bad way. He's very diligent, you know, he demands hard work from all of us near him. I bet it's something like, because I had, I, what I dealt with was whenever I was sick, whenever something happened. whenever it was never taken seriously you don't need to go to the doctor you're fine you're you know you split your lip open you're bleeding all over the car you know carpet you're fine you're you know toughen me up but at the same time it made me feel like oh my god they're not taking care of me yeah you know and so there's probably a part of you that didn't feel like you were being

taken care of for sure when you were kidnapped you probably got sick in all these things you're like why do i feel like this way and no one he doesn't want to help me or take me to the doctor or i know so you know subconsciously and Now, you know, taking care of your kids' health, letting them grow up be healthy, know you love them unconditionally. That's, you're doing all those things. Yeah, that's exactly it. That's pretty crazy.

I know you call your stepdad, your dad. Yeah, yeah. You're tight with him? Yeah, we're very tight. He's the reason I sit here, to be honest, you know, coming through a NASCAR family and all racing. D.K. Ulrich. That was my first stepdad. He's my stepdad now is the one who.

really sort of my mom's been with him 34 years 35 it's been a while um and he's the one that like he was worldwide CEO of satchi and satchi advertising for a couple decades like really an advertising genius and guru and and had you know lived in new york for a long time and had been a part of the arts scene and theater loved theater and all this stuff and you know my family is very, you know, much about the family business and car racing and this and that. And, you know, and I was going in a very different way. And he vowed to have my back. You know, he was like, you know, when I got in NYU, he paid for it. He bought me an apartment in Gramercy Park. He lived across the street with my mom. My mom moved there when they got married. So he was rich.

So he was he definitely, he definitely made some money in advertising and, and knew how to, to invest and he definitely had done well and he was also giving you unconditional love like he was he listened to you he gave you advice he helped you taught you things he was i'll never forget like i went to audition for was it billy bathgate that lauren dean did with i think it was that i think that was i remember the movie uh with nicole kidman was a warren baiddy i think one i think it was warren potentially. Right. But I had an idea. It was like the first audition I ever had and like, um, and he read lines with me like in a restaurant in Manhattan. He was like, and he's reading Nicole Kidman's lines and he's like, everybody in here thinks I'm like the biggest

queen of Manhattan right now hitting on this young boy. Oh my God. But he's a great, great great, great man. Oh my God. I'd never forget it. And you still talk to him constantly. Yeah. Yeah. I'll see him next week. That's awesome. So your mom, he and your mom were like really supportive of you growing up. And when you got into acting thing, they supported that. There wasn't like, oh, what are you doing? Why aren't you going into race cars? Why aren't you? I guess race cars. Your mom was happy. You didn't go into that. Probably. Probably. I think it's, yeah. I mean, they were, yeah, they were, they were really, yeah. I couldn't ask for anything more. And, you know, I was so blessed to get the training I got at NYU. I don't. Was it intense? It's, it was a lot. It was a lot.

a lot of work yeah i mean because it was speech and voice you know pre-miking theaters and and the last seat in the theater needs to hear and you need to buzz it yeah um and you know all the work and the scene work and all that stuff i mean it was a lot but yeah there was a they were so supportive and and there for me every step which was that's awesome yeah yeah i didn't you know that was i always say that's a it's a weird thing for me i always tell i how many times have i told the joke, Brian, about my dad and Denny's who's on the thing in the live podcast. No, but he was, uh, I was like, I think I want to be an actor. He's like, eat your steak.

That was it. That was it. He was like, what are you doing? You're going to go into school. You're going to be a, come on. You're going to be an actor. Come on. And it just never, it just, it never occurred to him until.

That's when I, the until was what I want to do. Until, like, I think he saw me in, I think it was probably the biggest thing was, you know, Smallville. I guess, you know, when I did this movie, Urban Legend, he was like, which is like the cheap version of, you know, there was Scream. There was, I don't know you do last summer and there's Urban Legend, which I loved Urban Legend. It was great.

I love the director. I love the movie. But it was like, you know, it's scream. I know you did last summer, urban legend. We all made them on a whim. Yeah. Oh, we never. The horror was dead and we were like, we never knew.

We never knew what was going to happen. And it had, you know, some success. But, you know, I think he was. like huh they're in a because he i i believe that no one ever not just my father but nobody if you asked anybody from where i grew up micha rosamum who's what who would he do anything everybody would say no there's even me i would say no but it took like some twists and turns along the way and some people who really supported me and thought i was talented and gifted to go really really okay and then oh it just started

started to slowly happen but um you know it's it's difficult going through life and not having people really just proud of you in general yeah or and so you could just waste away and in your mind and go to therapy and all that but you don't learn you know to love yourself to do all that stuff like that and that's taking a long time still fucking working on that i get you know yeah i get so down myself but um but along the way you have people who believe in you yeah people who are always there and as long as you have one you know and i know there was an wasn't there a casting director who really you know there were a lot of people along the way yeah i mean you know that you know it was i was fortunate and it was mainly NYU that sort of catapulted me you know into like

doing you know i was doing plays um you know i got my first agent who came to see the play you know and she was incredible and uh lean kashishin who is you know she's lean kashishin yeah she's say that three times really fast so i you know i sort of launched out of n yu and i'll never forget like i did an after school special was the first you know thing i ever filmed the cbs things you know how excited were you i was pretty excited yeah isn't that something that you're excited for like that yeah but nowadays it takes so much more to get you excited yeah i don't know what that has like you know i wish i had that spunk that you know lust for life and enjoyment with with everything i did when i was younger when it was all new and it's like yeah i'll do

that yeah i'll do that free thing you're doing oh you're doing a spec spot that's not even real i'll do it you know you need me into a voiceover but i'm not getting paid i'll fucking do it you know and then you're like how how long is this how many hours am i going to work How much is it? Who's involved? Before it was like, I don't give a shit. Yeah. But go ahead.

The after school special. No, I just, you know, it was such a like, it was, it was an interesting time. And to, you know, do something on film for the first time. And, you know, when it aired, my family, my grandfather had a junkyard. He's had had forever. And my uncles worked there and cousins. And they all, like, got in the RV that was inside of his, you know, one shop. in the back and watched it on the TV that was in there and everybody joined yeah everybody was

excited they were all excited and and you know everything just sort of happened but there were there were always you know i guess people in the business who believed in me and you're right i think that i think that belief is important i think more important almost is the belief in your love of it you know And if you truly, truly love it, the process of creating and filming those things and doing all that, I, you know, I think you can sustain yourself regardless of outside influence. But that being said, you know, there's if you don't get that and you're in that in-between spot where you're not really working and yet nobody's really supporting you, I don't know. That's a tough one. I do, yeah. Do you, you love acting?

I do. You love it. I do. Like, you wouldn't do anything else. No, I wouldn't know how to do it. You'd probably be in a farming and gardening or something shit. I mean, I like, I like gardening and I like building stuff, but only to keep my mind occupied when I'm not filming. I'm dying to go back to work.

Like, and you love being on set. Yeah. Love the long hours. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Ski. I love that you could just say you just love it.

You love everything about it. That's a rarity. That's like. You know, people say I love acting. I love, I don't love the work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love, like, sort of, I mean, I, you know, it's that you get something and you get the lines and you're nervous and I can't do it. And then you work on it and work on it.

And then the excitement slowly comes and then you're on set and you're nervous and you're, and then you do it. And then you get into it and then it gets more fun. But it's like, it's a process. I'm not like, oh, this is great, great, great, great fun. I'm like stressed, worried. I mean, that's all a part of it. Absolutely. And you like all the stuff that it involves.

I don't mind it. I mean, I guess, you know, we've both been doing it a long time after 30 some years of doing it. I'm just used to it. And, you know, yeah, learning lines is tedious. It's a lot for me. I, you know, some people, it's like Christian Ritter. We got to give a shout out to Christian Ritter. You know, she would have our throats if we didn't.

Well, we love her to death. I mean, she's, she's a dear friend and she's, she introduced me to you. And she goes, you know, because you'll love my friend Skeet. And I go, yeah, I like his work. So maybe he's, he's cool too. And we hit it off right away. Yeah, we just started laughing and goofing. And I was like, this guy's cool.

He plays cornhole. He comes to my house and beats the shit out of me in my own fucking backyard. You were distracted hosting. Well, I was distracted because you said the cornhole machines were, were not far enough apart. Yeah. And that threw me because then we did it. And I had to adjust and I wasn't used to that. I know.

You should play at your home distance that you're comfortable. No, I want to get, I want to beat you at your own distance. Well, it's not my like I, that's just the rules. 25 feet, 27, apparently. I don't think I have 27 feet in my backyard. I know, that's what I don't think I do either. So I'm like, I don't know if that's going to work. Yeah.

I don't like that you beat me in front of all my friends because I devour my friends. Well, your friend beat me bad. I can't remember his name. You beat me bad. Who was that? Wasn't Xander. no name all your friends no well two i have two so that's sander and ryan it was ryan it was ryan it was ryan right here um yeah where we're we're talking about christie i love yeah love her she's

she's got the biggest heart in the world she's so talented she's one of those people who you're right can just look at something and memorize and i'm like yeah fuck you i know it it pisses me off to know and it's such a gift if i had that gift to just recollect or just look at something thing and go give me 10 minutes okay i got the speech yeah and not be that nervous about it i know i just freak the fuck out i know i worked i've worked with lauren's fishburn a couple times and he's like that man he'll like boom he's like you know he'll get eight pages he was telling me a story nothing that on on what we were working on but on another thing where you know he got eight pages and he was like give me an hour when this trailer for an hour boom all right

I'm ready. Knew it inside out. Knew it inside out. Eight pages. That's what scares me, I think. If somebody told me, hey, we're doing this movie. The lines are as is. You don't have to worry about, we're not changing shit on you.

We're not going to be able to shoot. I'd be like, fuck, yeah. Right away, I'd feel better about. Well, that's the difference in, yeah. I don't like being like thrown stuff that I, you know. Especially when you're doing accents and a very particular characterization because there's a cadence and a rhythm that is so important. And it's, you know, a lot of the rewriting internally on your own dime and time is is gearing it towards

this sound, you know, and then you're handed this thing like, well, we're going to cut that part and then, you know, add this thing in there and you're like, oh, man. Yeah. You know, and you can. I mean, once you're, you know, once you're in rhythm, you're in rhythm. And I think that's what happened for fish was like, you know, he's in the middle of this thing. And it's not like it's going to go 180 degrees in the opposite direction he's been prepping this character he knows this dude so it's like oh yeah all right well we're gonna do blah blah blah we'll add that and blah blah boom there it is you know it's kind of in flow i agree but yeah it's it's one of those things where i like to play i like if i know my shit i'm not thinking about my lines yeah i could talk to you and then action and boom and we're

playing and i'm picking up this glass and i'm like going you know i don't give a shit because this is what people do yeah but when i'm thinking of the lines the whole time i can't i'm just I'm just fucking, I just want to get them out. Yeah. And it's fucking stressful. I agree. You know, do you now, I know you're trained. You did a lot of plays.

I did a lot of plays. But a lot of actors are like, I just always wanted to do theater. I just wanted to always be in the theater. And I'm like, uh, really? You don't want to do movies and work with big actors and be famous and make lots of money. You just want to do theater. So what's the honest answer of that? Would you, A, would you go back and do theater?

Or is that something that that was a part of your last? and you loved it, but you don't really have interest in going back. I'm not necessarily compelled towards it. I, you know, I did enjoy it. It's, I don't think I was ready in a way for it, in a way that I am now. But I also wonder if I have the capacity to remember that much dialogue now after so many years of movies and, you know, stuff like that. And I'm starting to dabble with it.

My daughter and I are memorizing scenes from proof, you know, know just to stay in practice of just random shit yeah that's smart man i want to do that ryan will you memorize scenes with me he's like i don't got to memorize anything i'll read it right here he doesn't have a mic so he can't you know we got to fix that we got to get you a mike you do you got to work on the side yeah it's over there you want to go get on your knees over here this is whoa no that did that's not oh wait you have visual with this okay that's not what i meant no the mic is is is on the fuck forget it you got this you have to watch this to see what we're talking about We'll add you in later.

Yeah. Do you ever get starstruck? You know, I never have, oddly. Not with one person. No, and I, and I... Good for you. I don't know. I mean, I'm thinking in work environments, though.

I think outside of work, I probably have been. Like who? I don't know. I met Brad Pitt a couple times, and he's super nice, dude. He is. I met him once. But I was a little, I was a little star-struck by him. Yeah.

there's a little vibe about him that's like cooler than cool cool yeah i want to i want him to like me yeah yeah i think there's that yeah i was never the cool guy so it's like when you're hanging out with a cool guy it's like hey i'm hanging out with a cool guy yeah yeah that's cool exactly but i mean in terms of work like you know i i don't know i mean i worked early with a lot of like really big name people and like from jack nicholson oh yes Chris walking you know i Sharon stone at her height was nicholson cool the coolest he was he wasn't that uh were you a starstruck from him no i wasn't but i was focused on the work did he talk to you like yeah we had scenes that were cut out of that movie that um that were really funny uh that he and i had

Did you ever get those scenes? I did. And I only about six weeks ago digitized them. And first time I've seen them. Awesome. They're wild. I do not see it in the movie. What happens in the scene?

Well, the initial ending was them coming to, you know, to the gist of my part in the movie as I get, you know, Greg Keneer beat up trying to rob his place. You're transvestite or something or a gay? No, I was a hustler, a street hustler in New York. And he and I, you know, have this. relationship that develops he's painting me but more develops and then i i get him rolled you know allow my friends to come in and jamie kennedy being one of them yeah and um and anyway that so the initial ending was them coming out onto the street and they send jack out to ask me for a blow job to lure me back to the car to apprehend me which happens and that's this one scene and i was wondering if

give me a beager it was kind of he was like um i'd like to purchase a blow job is that what he said in the like to purchase a blow job yeah but he was amazing he was you know he was really incredible and and and fay donnaway i worked was she a monster because i hear monster she was not on our you know this was kevin spacey's directorial debut and it was she was the only female in the cast um and she was cool she was very very cool. Was she late? I don't remember her being late, but she took, you know, it took hours of makeup and, you know, and she's, you know, an old school pro walking her marks with a mirror checking the lighting, like, you know. Did she ever talk about Betty Davis, how she hated her?

I don't remember her talking about that. They loathed each other. I do remember that now that you mentioned that. But he's like, well, she's completely unprofessional. That's so cool. I mean, getting to work with all these actors at a young age. I think, you know, fortunately, I was focused on you know the work and like not you know not getting sort of star struck by them and um and now in hindsight i'm like i look back and i'm like oh man i got to work with some really really cool movie stars yeah that's freaking awesome yeah and i have too i'm like i look at i'm like i worked with clint he directed in the first movie you know that was awesome and you know forest whittaker at a scene with Forrest Whitaker.

I'm like, oh, shit, man. This is dope. Bruce Campbell, Evil Dead movie. Like, yeah, yeah. Like, so it's just, like, even, it's just amazing. Sometimes you really have to, it's important to sort of look at everything from the outside in. Yeah. And just take a deep breath and go, hey, man, this is cool.

Yeah, the gratitude is big. Do you say your gratitude? Do you? I don't, I feel them in general. You know, I've definitely gone through over the last year, you know, of trying to instill a gratitude. practice. Yeah, yeah. But I feel like, and now, especially not drinking, like, it just happens naturally. I, you know, I don't, I don't have an, I don't journal it or like, you know, but I note things in the day and, and take a general sense of goodness from them. Yeah, I feel like you're that.

I feel like you're, you're one of the most present guys I know. Oh, just because, like, I look at, like, you can show me pictures of your garden and what you're planning and, and doing work on the house and your kids and you're and it just seems like you know you don't wait for work i mean you obviously wait for it but while you're waiting in the interim you are living your life yeah the best you can and doing fun things yeah and taking care of yourself yeah which you just stopped drinking which is you know inside of you is brought to you buy rocket money if you want to save money then listen to me because uh i use this ryan uses as so many people use rocket money it's a a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions crazy right how cool is

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You know? Yeah. You know, there's a lot of talented people out here. You being one of them, they're everywhere. Everywhere you go, there's like, you know, and there's a lot of talent. I remember an interviewer asking me after as good as it gets because we started filming on the streets in New York. wound up, you know, ending out here in studio work, stage work and stuff like that and asking

what the difference was of working in New York and L.A. And I was like, well, in New York, you know, you're on the street doing scenes and you feel like any number of people that walk by are probably better actor than you are. Yeah. There's so many better actors. And in L.A., everybody who walks by is definitely better looking than you are. Oh, my God. I can attest to that. That was the big difference for me and the two but but yeah you start to really go where i wonder where i stand in terms of just the the brass tax abilities you know yeah to process 60 pages of dialogue yeah you know can i still do that i don't know so every week i want to yeah every week if you do a show yeah every week you have to can you do 40 50 pages i i don't think i could i think if i can handle it in tv i

don't know i mean like a play is the one i'm really and you're right you know a play you have four to six weeks to rehearse it so you're doing the same lines for four to six weeks yeah like learning a script pretty much so i think you could do it but if you're doing a tv show and it's seven days of like doing 50 pages and then the next day they're starting the next episode yeah it is a lot that is it's two hours two to three hours every night of learning lines i remember headlining shows that like Jesus, man. Just like, oh, my God. Yeah.

And then you're rewriting as you go. Yeah. Fuck that. Did you ever, because you had to have gotten compared a little bit when you were younger to Johnny Depp. You've heard that shit. Yeah, yeah. Did you hate that? I felt like it took away from a little bit of what I was doing.

Yeah, of course. You know, like that it sort of overshadowed what I felt like was good work. Yeah. And it didn't completely take away from it. But I mean, in my mind, like it just. Like, I don't want to be like some. someone else. Yeah. You know, and you weren't at all. No. I think you were just so hunky. I don't know. But it was, you know, it was it was a bit frustrating for sure. And I

yeah, I could see here and there resemblances and stuff, but it's not like. Yeah, it wasn't. It didn't seem like it needed that much press time. You know what it was. It was that he did this horror movie where he was the yeah, nightmare. And then, but then you did, uh, you know, another West Craven movie and you were the guy. But the difference is, he was innocent and got murdered and you were this fucking killer my part was bigger your part was bigger and better and stronger west liked me more and you got to go nuts you know um and i worked with west on a movie that you know never was seen i mean but i got to which one it was a movie called curse but he just sent me a letter i was incursed well they they fired everybody off

the first movie because they didn't fire me right but you quit and then they re-shot it and yeah but We shot all but the last three weeks of that movie. We shot for nearly three months. And then they could put it. They canned it. Well, Miramaic stopped it to rewrite it, paid us all to wait two months for the rewrites. And then we had options out.

And it was. And you left. I left. You're like, this is not a great experience. No. Well, I knew. Not because of West. It just was not going well.

And I don't think the script was, you know, quite where it needed to be or what really it was meant to be. I know. um and but they spent a lot of money on that movie and and then decide you know we had hollywood boulevard shut down for a night from like i don't know highland to like labrea that whole stretch where ripples is and all that stuff so that they could turn all the lights off for this finale thing i mean like they spent a lot of money and christina ritchie was did the first and like she was so when i got there i didn't realize that but west sent me a letter that i still have and he was just like telling i love your work and i'd love you to be in this movie and just

like yeah and i and i looked at it and i was like it's such a small part i'm gonna go uncredited but i want to work with west so i just went uncredited in the movie yeah and i did it and i just felt like everybody there didn't really want to be there yeah it was a weird vibe it was a weird vibe but west was so cool he would say all right do a take now like walking do it take like malcovitch do it take like just fucking and having fun yeah and so i had fun with him yeah he was a was a dream, but I felt like, and it felt bad because I was like, man, Christina Ricci doesn't like me. Yeah.

I was like, she doesn't like me. And then I realized, no, she doesn't want to be here. Yeah. She's like doing this movie again. Yeah. And so later on, I met her years later and she was so sweet and cool. And it was just like, and I was, I was nervous. I was like, I'm on this big studio film and I'm like trying to do my thing.

And I had to wear a fucking bad wig because I was bald. And it was just, it was, it was an experience. yeah yeah it was an interesting one yeah that's i i didn't really because i once i'd sort of jump ship on that i never really looked back yeah yeah yeah you never sought it out yeah why would you do that one i don't wonder what's up at that movie let's go on yeah exactly how did joshua jackson really do it yeah what you know with the big west craven movie you did was it you've asked this but you knew you had to keep secret what was what happened so you could learn all your dialogue well we had to keep a secret what was what would happen so you could learn all your dialogue

well we had the you know this was pre-spoiler worries and all that stuff you know so you had it yeah they kept it a secret thing from from you know the moment they let it out for auditions you had for a lillard's part i but it was sides oh i don't think i had the script i had sides yeah i for whatever reason i got the full script and i remember like getting the part and i had to do press for another movie i'd done and i was doing an interview with interview magazine and they asking me what was coming up. And I was like, oh, man, I'm going to play this serial killer in this movie and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And yeah, exactly. And then I hung up the phone call and I was like, oh, and I called my publicist right away. And I was like, um, you can't air that.

And they didn't, right? Yeah. And they, they were able to, like, oh my gosh, my heart stopped. I know. They would have been, they would have killed you. I know. Imagine. Could you imagine if everybody knew the ending? Right. Yeah. Yeah. So fortunately, there were some kindness. But you, you obviously became friends with a lot of these guys. I mean, you didn't really. I did. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, it wasn't long after that I moved to Virginia, though. So I, and I don't know, friendships in this business are hard to maintain because, you know, we're all going different directions all year long. And so you can spend, like I remember, I did a movie with Toby McGuire. We played best friends for seven months for Engley. And that was it, though. And yeah,

and that was it. I went back to, I had a farm in Virginia. He came back here. And we see each other and it's like, you know, yeah, it's like, oh, my God. But you just don't feel like the need to hang out. But it wasn't that weird. You know, he was going that direction. I was going that direction. We were busy doing this. And then the next friendship happens through seven months of filming or now they don't,

you don't really shoot movies for seven months. No. You know, doing. And Lord, Lord, Lord movie. Yeah, exactly. It has to have a Lord in the title. As to the Lord. Lord.

But you know what I mean? It's hard to maintain friendships in this profession. Yeah. Unless you just vibe with someone you enjoy being around them and their and their schedules are permitting to where you can see them and go, oh, that's, you know. That's the great thing, right, about a film career is, you know, you can do two, three movies a year and still wind up with three months of downtime to hang, to, you know, do other things. It's just a different walk. It is. World.

Yeah. You surround yourself, I feel like, with good people, though. Like, I met Dermit, Maruni. Yeah. Like, you know, and he just, he just immediately made me laugh. Yeah. Just, just such a fun guy to be around. You know, he was so, and I have not known him that long, but we were shooting scream six in Montreal.

I had all of like, you know, a couple of hours of work on set. So I wasn't on there that much, but I finished. And then we had a cast and producers dinner on the Saturday. And then we had like a press shoot the Sunday. and we had dinner together and I mean amongst a bunch of people but we sat beside each other and just chatted he's from Virginia I'm from Virginia we just you know had we had the same agent you know we just had a lot to talk about this and that and and then uh you know had a great couple hours whatever and then the next morning going to that publicity shoot I tested positive for COVID and I had

to go to New Orleans shortly I had like a you know I had to fly home to L.A. you know the next day the monday morning i had like a week at home and then i was off to new orleans for like five months um and so i tested positive and you know they paramount had a or whoever had a policy that um that you know you couldn't fly until you tested negative right And he, you know, he called me, Dermott did, and was like, you know, oh, man, I heard you tested positive. I'm at the pharmacy, you know, at CVS, you know, I'm going to get you some stuff. Wow. I'll get you some Gatorade and some of this and all this for your symptoms, you know, how you did, checked on me, everything.

I literally spent two hours talking to him. And he took care of me. And he was like, I know you need to get home. I know you want to see your kids before you go away for a little while. he for some reason had my back and you know and was there for me in a way nobody else why and it's not like I knew it I'm not he just went out of his way he just went out of my way to be out of his way to be friendly and like you know that's awesome yeah and I was like this is a good that doesn't exist really you don't see that so you were like I want to hang out this guy yeah yeah because it

feels like when you guys are together you're like the best of friends I know and it's really not been that long and I you know I I I sort of I I was like you should do this This, you know, these signing conventions and stuff like that. And like, and he's, you know, he has thanked me up and down and left and right for turning them on to that stuff. And, you know, it takes a, takes a real onus off of some of the year to make a little bit of money on the side. Yeah.

And make fans happy. And make fans happy. Do you enjoy the cons? I enjoy the exchange. Yeah. I, you know, it's exhausting. It is because you want to give everybody everything. Yeah.

I feel like, you know, and you know, I mean, like, you know, I mean, I enjoy the exchange. I mean, like, we've been in this business so long. You used to crave somebody to ask you for your autograph or to want to take a picture with you. Or like, you know, it used to be like a, you know, so I would, and to this day, I would, you know, somebody on the street, whatever, wants. Yeah, absolutely. Whatever, sign this. But now people are paying for it. So I feel like I owe them, you know, not only what they paid for, but the experience, you know, moments or something.

Yeah. Yeah. And Matt Lillard's really, really good at this stuff and taught me a lot about sharing gratitude, about how, you know, he, as he says it, he can change a kid's life with one sentence. Yeah. Yeah. You know, one, I see you and I see what you're going through. And that's it. And, you know, and he's right. And, you know, so I, there's a lot I get out of it. And there's a lot I give out of it, if you will yeah um and um and it's very rewarding yeah i give everybody that moment and when someone needs to talk to me and say and i could see the tears in their eyes i immediately just zone in yeah you know it's like i can't just let them go without knowing them knowing that hey i'm i hear you and you got this i just can't i can't just like thanks thanks so much you know what i mean and if you ever needed any validation that art has a valuable place in society go to one of these because there are any number of people who will tell you how much you helped them through a hard time yeah how you

were the you know and this is just a piece of art that you created you know but that it it takes on a whole another life to to people and so i think there's real value and societal value in art obviously yeah i'm not the only one who thinks that no i'm reminded of it you know, as we do those things. Hey, if somebody wanted to do like a Jericho reunion, because people love that show. They do. They do. And it only lasted a couple years. Yeah. And people like, would you, would you consider it if it was a good script

or a one out TV movie or something? Yeah. I mean, I would. Absolutely. I, you know, there was, there was such a special group of people and, and, you know, and such a great show to be a part of and story to tell. And there was so much left to tell. And it was just at the wrong network, unfortunately. But, but yeah, I would definitely, I mean, Netflix tried to buy it about, God, it was as much as like 10 years after it aired. So like seven, eight years ago now.

And they wouldn't sell it, unfortunately. But it got to the point. They thought they were going to sell it. Netflix did. So it got to like, you know, schedules and locations and all this stuff. It got, you know, up in the pre-production part of it. And then CBS balked. But part of the discussion when they asked, like, would you come back?

I, you know, I was like, well, I will if, you know, if we agree on where the story start point is. And the story start point for me or in my mind was, you know, five years later and we had devolved even further than you could imagine. And we're now like really kind of living under the town and like being able to. would have filled you know so yeah really started a lower let rather than we've really figured out society you know and like they have somewhere to go yeah so and they were into that idea and you know stuff like that but we just yeah never happened would you do another one of the screams uh i i'd probably do another one but you know that was only because of the way they sort have talked about you know coming back um but i think that would probably be about it one more yeah

that'd be it i mean i've you know i'm spending it's literally like it's not a lot of work no i i like it because it i think it's cool that they really want to harken back to the beginnings of it and it's cool for the fans yeah i like the like the line that they're thinking about you know of taking it and But yeah, I mean, yeah, I've kind of, it's kind of run its course. Yeah, I understand that. Okay, Brian, Ray Trout. Does anybody ever, because your mom call you Brian still? No, no one does.

No one at all. My grandfather did, but he passed a while ago. Yeah, no one. Zero. You haven't heard Brian in, you don't even look. I mean, only because my license says it. So maybe at like the DMV. Yeah.

Brian, get up here. And I love that your little league coach came up. with that because you were kind of a scrawny little kid but you're fast as shit yeah and so he's like skeeter skeeter exactly yeah i'm a skeeter does anybody call you skeeter uh maybe when people first meet me or i have a i have a friend i've known for a while she'll call me skeeter bug does anybody ever say oh skeet skeet motherfucker oh yeah do you hate it no i mean you know they wrote he wrote that song shaking his head i had to i had to say it we were hanging out a lot in that time when he wrote that song really who was that me and little john you know we were really good buddies and i was

like sleeping with all these women and it just became a thing he'd say you know you're such a liar i was buying it i was like jesus i was i was like wait a minute that's no he's like do you uh lastly do you do you still do you deal with anxiety at all do you go to therapy what do you do about it um i do yeah i mean i think i think you know, I've sort of peeled one of the masks for anxiety off in alcohol. And, you know, and so ironically, you know, in doing so, I have less anxiety because of the way alcohol works in your system anyway. I had gone to therapy, you know, off and on and even up until a year ago and a little more than a year ago. And I went away to New Orleans to film and just haven't gone back since which is like a year now so you probably go back on you i think so yeah i mean i i get i get

something from it but i'm you know i haven't been in a relationship in a while and i think that's usually that usually a reason for therapy yeah um living alone is also the cause for therapy you're really lonely yeah that happens i'm so lonely do you get lonely here you know what it is i have such great friends and you know people in my life um I got the wonderful dogs, but like, you know, I still battle with, you know, me. Yeah, yeah. I get in the way in me. Yeah.

So I'm like, why are you so hard on yourself? Or why do you do or why do you continue to do that when you know you shouldn't do that? And then you get sort of, you know, so sometimes it's like, dude, just fucking stop then. You know what the fuck you're doing. Yeah. So I get mad at myself. But, um, you know, just talking to someone, whether it's about something will evolve in the conversation. Yeah.

And it will go. I'm glad I talked to them. Even though I feel like I have nothing to talk about. I'm like, I'm glad I just feel better. I just feel better. So that's cool. Well,

I'm glad you stopped drinking. Yeah. You could always hang out with me. I'm not a drinker. I know. So we can cornhole it up. Perfect. I'm going to get some practice in first.

You don't need it. You know how cornhole is like bowling. You know, like sometimes you bowl upper 100s or for me anyway. You may be consistently there. And sometimes like I'm talking like 160. is the highest ever. And sometimes I bowl like 80. So cornhole's kind of the same. Sometimes you're like just hitting them, hitting them. I don't know. Sometimes. I mean, but you know, unlike you,

I have been beat many times. We should have a cornhole tournament one day. We should air it. Six teams. I'll have a videographer come in and do it and just get highlights and fucking put together. Be hilarious. I like this. I like this. Cornhole tournament. Yeah. I'm down. Who, be down for that. Dermott for sure. Dermott, Jamie, Lillard. You. Me. Um, um, um, oh, me. Oh, my friend Ethan for sure. Ryan, Ryan's in. Ryan's in. Oh, we have enough. We'll be fine. We'll make it work. We just, we name six teams until it. Yeah. People are like, dude, we don't need to hear every fucking name. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. This is a real treat, dude. I told you this. Yeah, man. Thank you. Thanks for having me.

Have fun. Yeah, I had a great time. I'd love what you do. And thanks, buddy. I think this is really cool. I don't do many podcasts, so it's. I know you don't. Yeah. So I was just, I just, you know, I said it once. I think you said it when we were in.

I probably did. Somewhere you're just like, I'll do your podcast. Yeah. And I was like, all right, cool. Yeah. It's really cool. I, you know, I don't, I don't listen to them much. And so I don't, I'm not a hundred percent aware of all the, but like, I mean,

obviously they've, a lot of people are really into them. And there's a lot of value in them. And just now starting to, you know, with the Huberman Lab and different stuff, seeing, oh, wow, there's a lot of information that's out there that I was unaware of. Yeah. I'm glad you did it, dude. I'm glad you did it. And people will, you'll see how many more people, you know, follow you and because you open up a little bit. You talked about some personal things.

And people love that. And, you know, talking about mental health and just dealing with life. And, you know, it's cool. Yeah, well, thank you, man. All right, man. Thank you so much. Bye. Wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh lineup.

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This is a lot of fun. And another shout out to Kristen Ritter, not that she needs it, but I love you, woman. Thank you for getting me, Skeet, on the podcast. podcast introducing us. You are an amazing woman. And she was an amazing guest, too. So you need to listen to that episode if you haven't listened to it. And if you fast forward it, listen to the beginning. Go to my Instagram, link tree, all the events, things coming up, live pods, cons, cameos, all that stuff is there. And I really appreciate it. Ryan, you still going to therapy? I am still going to therapy. Good. I am too. My work mandate. No, no, I'm

It's been going well because I've got a new therapist this year and it's been good to have different kinds of conversations, basically about the same things, but just having like a different perspective. It is. Better help online therapy. They've been sponsored for a long time and it's helped a lot of people. And I urge you to get therapy. I do it. It helps me immensely. If I didn't do it, I think I would be just more all over the place. And it grounds me. It makes me think about things. It makes me understand. It connects the dots to sort of my. my childhood to now why we react to certain things what you know it's it's so much more than people think oh if you're just dealing with a lot of trauma that you should get therapy that's not true at all it's like you want to work on yourself so you don't get to a point where you're it's traumatic and you're so far down a rabbit hole or whatever of anxiety and depression or whatever you're dealing with and um uh i love therapy and i will continue to do it uh for as long as i live if you're wondering why my shirt is different it's because this was edited so there you go we're

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