Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Smallville's Clark Kent/ Superman is Back... Tom Welling!

Episode Date: January 12, 2021

Smallville's Clark Kent/ Superman Is Back... Tom Welling joins the show this week and opens up a ton on the idea of creativity, and the lack of that when operating out of anger and being in survival mode. Tom talks about opening up to the idea of being genuine and authentic and shedding the false idea of perfection. We also get into trickle down emotions given from our parents, how we each handle anxiety, and of course…. Some BTS from our time on Smallville. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That's my thing now. I've got to catch you sitting down three times in a row now. It's authentic just to make sure. It's like, hey, we're just going here. We're not, this isn't scripted. Yeah. Hey, everyone. How are you today?

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five out of ten is pretty solid it's my average in school What now, Dax? What now? What up, Daddy Dax? Bucker, I love you. He won't watch this ever. He's never seen it. He's never heard it.

He won't. It's fine. I've listened to his. When you have three hours to kill? Yeah, I won't listen to three hours. That's why mine's an hour. So people can go on my way to work and then on their way home from work, they can finish it. With other shows like Joe Rogan, it's like, so I'm going to start this on Monday and I'll end by February.

Jesus. Yeah, I can't do it. I love those guys. Great shows. I assume they're huge. I just can't. I can't talk that long. And I just, I, as, whoa, as uninteresting or interesting as I could be or am sometimes,

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And what was your overall feeling? I liked it because and this is your third time with Tom Willing? Third time. I try to do one every year. I'd never, yeah, so I'd never really listened. Nope. Be honest. Yeah. You son of a bitch. Well, it was an old one.

Of course. And now you could watch. You could listen, all that. And you know, what I love about this is he has a secret that he tells today and pretty early in the episode. And I don't think it's out. So you're going to have to stick around. It's pretty funny.

It's pretty funny. Also, he, uh, he was in Africa, South Africa doing a show. And boy, did that get bonkers, uh, gunfire and shit like that. But, you know, he moved away. He's, you know, he's taking care of his wife and his little man Thompson, who I love. And, uh, I say, you know, I said wife. Jess. I love Jess.

Just, Jess, Jess, I love you. You're, uh, you're the meat and potatoes. You're the, without him, without her, I think he'd be, uh, F. without a good woman next to us as men we're screwed if we're single we're probably screwed really screwed and if we have a good we don't have a good woman next to us we could be even more screwed in other words you have to have a solid foundation yep which i don't know the answer i don't know how to find that why don't we just say hell with it and let's get inside of tom welling it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum

Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. First of all, I don't know what's happened. You know, happy new year, by the way. Oh, yeah. Happy New Year. Yeah, happy New Year. What about that? You forgot about the New Year, huh?

Well, you know, I'm sure there's a lot of people listening or watching this that it's tough to know what day it is sometimes during all this. It is, man. it is there's really no like mondays or fridays or saturdays i mean i'm really happy the football came back because at least i know what day it is because there's football on tv who do you root for it's one of four days if you're watching footballs who do you root for anybody i root from all i root for everybody i don't really have a team i just like good games um there was a game that i watched recently i think it was a browns and the ravens yeah and it was like it was like i don't know three touchdowns and a field goal to win the game in the last two minutes

it was like that was one of the best games see that's fun that's fun to watch you know during this whole time you know with the covid thing and all this shit that's going on you know i had like everybody has their bad stuff you know my mom got covid oh i didn't know that yeah she got uh yeah she's doing all right thank god uh it was a little bit you know because my mom's you know i'm i could be a hypochondriac a hypochondriac sometimes but You know, my mother, it's just like, Michael, I'm going to get a mammogram. I've talked about that. And she's like, I'm like, okay, that's what women do.

I know, but what if I have cancer? I'm like, well, they'll treat it. I don't, this is, you know, and I'm giving her advice. And I don't take my own advice when I kind of like freak out about something. And they're like, well, that hasn't happened. Why are you worried about something that hasn't happened? But that's a story of my life. Do you do that?

I mean, I think that, you know, in the time that I've known you, there's, there's got to be some trickle-down emotionality there from the mother. Everything comes from the mother. I mean, mothers are very important. I see that in my own life with my own child. But, you know, I can see where... What are you talking about?

What are you referring to? I want you to analyze me. What is it that you see that might have, as you call it, trickle down from my mother? I mean, I think you're very well adjusted. You're one of the kindest people I know. I mean, as, as ADD and nuts as you can be in times, you're like the nicest person in the world. Like I know some other people who get all amped up in ADD and they're just like rude and you're not, you're kind.

You're a very kind person in your soul. And at least you have that. But the hypochondriac, that whole thing, I mean, that's got to come from your mom a little bit based on the story whole. Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, I don't know if you have anxiety. Yeah. I have anxiety. I had, you know, sometimes we were at those conventions.

I was having a bad time with anxiety. And there were a couple of times where we're taking pictures. And sometimes those lines are long with hundreds of people. And I'm wondering how many we have left. I keep asking JP, your guy or whatever, or, you know, how many we have left? Because I'm like, I got to, I remember just like, I didn't tell you, but I was, I was having bad anxiety. Did you notice or I covered it?

No, I do remember you always being like, okay, how many left, how many left, how many left? not in a bad way, but just being, I didn't realize that you were sort of trying to sort out your own pace. I just thought you were trying to keep track of how many people were going through, to be honest. But, you know, it's the ups and down. The conventions are really strangely amazing. And I mean, I only go, you know, you brought me into them.

And I found a way to really, like, enjoy them and enjoy the fans. but the flip side is you're on like the whole time and I'm not trying to complain anybody out there but you want to be there for every single person who's there for you absolutely yeah and it's it's a lot of energy and at the end of day it's great when you look at the lines and everything else and you want to be there for those people I can see where the anxiety might creep up about how you're going to be able to yeah but it's not really my I don't think my anxiety was it wasn't from the people like I was nervous to meet them I just going these waves where I'm absolutely elated and no no anxiety and just confident and want

to make people laugh but there was a time period and I you know and those scare you when you get anxiety I don't know if you've dealt with it but when you go through a period in time where you're you're you're in anything triggers anxiety and you're like am I going to be too tired am I going to be this or am I not going to be enough I don't know what it was but there was a time period where I just I couldn't even place where it was coming from do you get do you know I notice you you get because you're like i'm here i'm safe i'm in a completely safe environment i'm in completely control of the time and and and and like the ratio of your incomplete control yet you still have anxiety which that's a different anxiety i've had anxiety when i when i realize i'm not prepared for a situation

oh yeah i get anxiety maybe that's nerd what happens to you oh you just yeah i mean there's there's only been a couple times that i that i feel like it's really got me but it's like it's just like you're outside of your own head back here and you just you're just out of it like you're just you're not where you want to be and then that creates more anxiety and then it just like it compounds yeah you're hyper aware of all these these these negative things you're ruminating on all these negative things which now appear to be real but they're really not but you're making them feel real right yeah but the circumstances I'm talking about where I was not in control of the environment whereas like what you're talking about is interestingly because you know in that convention space you're complete control yet the anxiety still crept in you know exactly but I think for me it's always like my whole life I'm anxious to make people you know like me happy with me I want to make you feel like okay Rosenbaum's always going to make me laugh he's going to the energy is going to be good we're going to get through the day it's going to be more fun with him around and I feel like

I want to make you, uh, enjoy yourself when, what, what, I never felt that way. Well, exactly, but I'm saying I think I've never felt enjoyment with you. It's never work. What I'm saying is that I think that I always want, I'm a people pleaser. I want to make everybody happy. I want to like, I want to, I always was like the fence, you know, the guy in the middle. It was, I was watching the BGie's documentary, which you should watch. You'll love it.

It just came out. I know. I just heard about this. It's fantastic. But Maurice was the middle gib. He was mid-gib. And there were. Robin Gibb and Barry give on his brothers and and you know they fought because they were the best

singers in the band you know Robin was the guy or Barry was like like I'm waiting for this moment to last you know and he would get the high and the other but together they were enormous but they used to fight I want to be I want to be the leader I want to be the leader and Maurice was the guy in the middle and so I'm like no no no no he loves you it's your brother he no no no that's not what he meant. So I was always like that as a kid with my family. You know, your sister's a god dang. No, no, no. She's your daughter. Peacekeeper. And that is exhausting. I don't think you ever were you. Like, I envy you because in a lot of ways, you, uh, I don't know if you were innately born a leader. I mean, look, you, you, you've got flaws. You, like, I know that you can

be short-tempered sometime. You have, you're impatient like me. We could be, what? What? You know, and that's, and you're working on that. Jess is a great. wife because she also calls you out on it and you're like oh yeah she's very quite grounding yeah yeah does she does she ever say like tom because like obviously i've seen therapy i know every actor i think does she ever say tom maybe you should see someone yeah she has yes she has and what did you do did you say so well there's there's someone that her and i both talked to not at the same time and it's been very helpful and he actually brought the bg's documentary with a different point of he said it was i should watch you it's interesting because there's this thing in the

psychology where you can never be creative if you're being um you can never be in the creative mode when you're in the survival mode and he referenced the bg's documentary because as they grew to fame in the disco era and that went out of fashion very quickly apparently they rose to fame it went out of then they were in survival mode and they apparently i haven't seen it but apparently they sort of regrouped and they realized they could write this music in a different style and because of the falsetto that they used

and it was a male dominated disco era and as they came out of that the falsetto was actually more of a what they wrote lended more toward the female voice and they wrote a lot of music for a lot of people.

Dionne Warwick Barber Streis-in, yes, exactly. But you just said something that I think is incredibly valuable and I haven't heard it on the podcast and maybe it's so simple but you said you can't be creative when you're in survival mode. Yeah. This is something that's been resonating with me in the last few months since I've heard

it and it's been explained to me. And especially, you know, listen, you can't talk to anybody for more than five seconds without the COVID thing. Right. And it's hard and it's different and we're going to get through it. But what it does is it puts you in survival mode and what we have to strive for is to remain in creative mode. And you and I, you and I, you know, we talk all the time about like, hey, what can we do? How can we be creative? And you're very self-motivating in that way. Like, what can we do? What can we create? Because the flip side of that is despair and feeling sorry for yourself and or making wrong decisions based on maybe what is now but won't be in the future. So I'm rambling a little bit. No, I like this.

You can't be creative when you're trying to survive. So from your therapy, you know, back to that, You're like, hey, you know, I can be impatient. I can be this. And like this, so what does he do kind of kind of talk to you about where it's coming from and how you can, what does he tell you to do to help that? Well, it's an interesting thing. It's the guy that we talk to, he, it's not necessarily about, it's hard to explain. And I don't know if this is going to be worthwhile, you know, for you and this podcast.

But it's more about the idea of where things might come from. It's more of discussional. And it's just about what do you think about this? What do you think about that? And it could be this. But he has really narrowed down the idea for me, which I touched on earlier with you, is like the mother is very important.

And a lot of times with whoever we are, when we go into the self-discovery realm, it's, you know, the more you know about your mother, the more you can understand about yourself. Because there's a good number of years there where you were impressed certain values and certain ideas and certain energies and certain passions and how you were treated before you ever had a chance to walk or talk. And, you know, as an adult, the ideas you grow up and you're able to acknowledge that

and make your own decisions and treat your life your own life. So, you know, I mean, you're a very well-rounded person as far. because I'm concerned and you see those things. I mean, going back to what like your mother looks for you for guidance in a way. Yeah, but like, you know, you say the trickle down thing. I'm curious as to what trickled down from your mother or father,

but I'm also curious like, you know, um, for me, I think I'm very good at making people feel like I have my shit together and I'm creative and I'm always confident. I'm always this. And what this podcast has done for me is it's allowed me to express insecurities and vulnerabilities that I normally wouldn't discuss with most people.

And it also, in a way, it makes me feel like everything's okay. Like, you know what? You can go do this and you can fail and people are going to still love you. You can go do this and you can take a chance and it's going to be okay. You're not. It's almost like these little things that if you talk about them enough, then they almost get dissolved in a way. They almost dissolve when you have people out there listening going, I get that.

I get being, you know, I'm just trying to survive. Well, I'm not at my best when I'm trying to survive. Well, you just literally use the word, survive. And listen, I'm not the all-knowing thing about this, but when you're trying to survive, it's a lonely journey. And what you're talking about, what I hear from you, when I listen to your podcast, is the joy that I get out of listening is it makes me feel a little less alone, if that makes any sense. Because other people speak to the same thing. And that's the survival creative thing. I read this thing about Kristen Bell the other day, which I know has been on your podcast.

she's like, listen, you know, I just got to a point where I wanted to be genuine and express these things. And she's found a way to get closer to herself and to the people around her by being genuine and exposing vulnerabilities because we all have them. There's just this pretext of like we're supposed to be perfect because, you know, if you're looking to media as an example, well, you're going to always be disappointed because that's what media's trying to do. It's just show you the best or worst. Right.

Somebody who I wanted to talk about today real quick. I don't know if you've seen the Matthew McConaughey book, Green Lights. No. I don't know him, but I read the book and it's, you should have it on your podcast because he's amazing. I'm going to call him. I'm going to call him that. Journals he's had for since he was, I don't know, 20. Is it called all right, all right, all right?

No, but he says that a little bit, but it's called green lights. Okay. And it's about making choice. There's green lights, yellow lights, and red lights, and you try to create more green lights for yourself. But the idea of you're just trying to like create opportunities for yourself and bring people in as opposed to keeping people out. But one of the things when you talk about your anxiety and the people that I've seen speak to you is it makes me feel less alone. And especially these days where everybody feels isolated. We all felt isolated before in our own heads,

I've said. Well, you know, I think of you as someone who, again, I'm just not that guy. but when I feel like, you know, Tom doesn't need anything. Tom doesn't need anyone. He has his wife and he has his child. But before that, Tom just, you didn't let anybody into that because you are a private guy. And I appreciate you always to open up whatever you want to open up. And, you know, I'm always happy when you just talk to me. But ultimately, you know, you hold a lot in, I'm sure. But you go, you know, you're kind of like you do something. You go home. You don't need anybody. You don't need to be around a lot of people. And do you get lonely? Do you feel? sometimes lonely even though you have a kid and child do you ever feel like I'm still alone in a way sometimes I think there's been times I think like when we were doing smallville there was a lot of loneliness because I didn't know how to navigate that and maybe I kind of kept everybody away because I just I wanted to be alone because one I didn't have any time alone during those years and your ex wasn't that supportive not to bring her up I don't I mean like I don't know how you go further than non-supportive whatever that word is I

noticed that i just always remember like you know a woman or a man needs just they need to support each other and like if you're if you're in a relationship you want support and if you're single i mean like you are you have a you have a great support system around you with your friends and your family but support is very important but i listen i i mean i don't mind being by myself i mean everybody needs time to themselves um as you know i just moved and got some more space up in northern California. And at least for an hour a day, I go outside and I'm up in the hills and the mountains and by myself. And that's, it's like a, I don't see it as an act of meditation, but it probably is. It just gets me out. Yeah. The same thing. Um, but, you know, my, my, my glorious

wife and my hilarious son definitely help me not feeling like lonely. Of course. Yeah. Um, so that, I mean, I, I, I only wish that you could find what I have when you just thought. Well, you know, by the way, I know, congrats on the, you know, you got a kid, another kid on the way. Well, what? You have another kid on the way. I, no. Yeah. Dude, I talked to Jess.

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You got little Thompson. He's a cutest little. You know, there's nothing more infuriating than when beautiful people have beautiful. children. I'm telling you, like, we and I FaceTime last week, and Thompson started talking me, but, and I was like, this is what happens. You know, you're friends with kids because I kept just putting Thompson on the FaceTime with you over and over. I know, thank you. Same mentality levels, good. But I find myself being like, hey, man, I know I'm biased, but this kid's here, but you know what? He is. He is. He's a good, cute, funny kid. He makes me laugh all the time.

What trickled down from your mom and dad because I think you, I want to know what you think trickled down. Good or bad? As you know, I'm a little private, so I wouldn't necessarily just like talk to you as if I was talking to like. Right, right. But there are things. You can't help it a little bit of, I think my work ethic definitely, like almost to a fault where I have a tendency to want more information. about, like, say, a project, more information than maybe people want to give me before I agree.

But that's because when I agree or I sign the contract, I am, like, so in, like, it's, there's no out. So that's a good thing that trickled down then. It is, but I've had to temper that a little bit because people are like, dude, you have to get the job before you ask those questions. And I'm like, well, I don't want the job until I know these questions or blah, blah, blah. So I've had to, like, be a little more savvy politically about how to, get that stuff right um but i think you know there's a good natureness is a midwesterness that

you and i share and whatnot but there's also you know my you know i've come to realize and i i don't mean this in a bad way or not but i get to spend so much time with my family and my son right now based on the fact that i'm not on set and and the covid and shut things down and like my parents never had that opportunity my mother raised four kids while my dad went to work like every day all the time. And, you know, I'd see him on the weekends. And to me, that was normal. Now I'm looking back and just a little bit like, oh, maybe I was missing my dad a little bit and I didn't realize it because it was just normal, you know, and I see that now as I'd look at my own son and where I want to be for him because when, hopefully I do go back to work, as you know, it's

three months, six months a year of limited access to your family, you know, even when you do come home from work it's you're exhausted and you're you know there's no like it's hard to juggle so i'm really enjoying this time that i have of just like spending time with my family right now because i think things are going to really pick up oh yeah you know once everyone feels safe enough to do so subconsciously you resent your father that's i'm kidding i'm kidding you know the whole thing a couple months ago the whole Tom Cruz thing about when he lost his school instead of Mission Possible and you know George Clooney said something where he was like I don't have all the information but maybe it's not the first time that Tom's had to deal with that and

Tom's argument is like hey guys we've been allowed to shoot under these certain circumstances but we have to follow these rigid protocols and if we don't we're out of business and a lot of people following our lead are going to be in trouble so you know that's what it's going to be going for it now do you have to yell at people i don't know i wasn't there but you know that kind of stuff is is going to continue yeah i hear that i mean look you get a little bit uncomfortable on set some things happen there's this you know i don't i didn't actually hear tom cruise yell but like i can never lose my shit on somebody for that long as christian bailed it i mean it would be more like dude shut the fuck up oh my god carl i usually know all the guy's names so it's kind of a joking

way like you know i'd be like what the jd dude i can barely remember my lines and you're fucking eating like a fucking cow shut the fuck up you know if that got recorded people like oh my god he was a bit of an no i'm kidding but i'm not and nobody sees russ or jd on the inside of laughing being like by the way you know our good buddy russ from smallville who i love dearly big bearded guy lovable every morning russ michael how are you i give him a big hug he goes all right and he just passed away and um my shout out you know he passed away a little while ago but my heart goes out to his family and i cried when he died i just there he was just a family member to me i just remember seeing him every day so again when you're on set for as long as we are you you they are

family and uh and i know you remember him and you just as you get older people it's just life it's just a start dying you hear about it and there's certain people that affect you and when you're on set as long as we were you know like honestly like god forbid something happened to natalie who was our makeup artist forever i i would lose my shit i you know well and it's funny because as i don't want to say analyze but as you look at it there's certain people that i think fit different roles for me like russ was a very grounding yeah he was a big guy and you know but he was grounding like when you saw russ you felt safe. He did.

He was going to take care of you. He was going to take care of whatever you need, you know, that kind of thing. And, you know, when you saw Natalie, you were, you know, maybe your depression lifted a little bit because of her light. You know, and we had a really good, and JD, who was our camera operator, who just kept everything fun, but, but, like, was like the best camera operator in the world. Oh. You know. Yeah. Came on setting, like, just did his job.

just did his job and was friendly, and I'd see him fuck up the smoke machine and just smoke everywhere, and he's wafting it everywhere. The thing goes, I go, Russ, what happened? He goes, I have a goddamn motor on this thing. I, fuck, I don't know. Well, he was in a funny situation where his job was the smoke. Everybody on set hated the smoke. Everybody, you were like, you're not smoke?

So, he was like, this is my job. I go, Russ, do we have to have a smoke? Just not my call, Michael. Not my call. You know, he also got in charge at times in the fortress of solitude for the, for the snow that would, my jazz hands, would trickle down in the fortress. You weren't in the fortress that much, but, and it was the same thing. It was like, do we need this? And I'd look at Ross and he'd be like, it's my job.

There were times on that set. Do you remember the caves? Oh, those are the worst. Dude, I just saw your face change. You look pissed. They had these caves in the Smallville set where. And, you know, Tom, you know, you were going to reminisce about smoke. No, I can smell them right now.

It's like that it was not even smoke. It was like the dust and the shit. I remember having worked in the caves before you ever saw them. And they put, like, wood chips on the ground, too. So, like, the caves, the smoke. It was, like, humid. It didn't smell good. And then your feet slipped around as you walk.

And I have a vague memory of, like, you walking in a set and being like, really? You've been in here, this is what you've been doing, like, in here? But it was exactly what Lex would have thought, too. So it was like, perfect. You know, you always tell these stories and, you know, maybe people have heard them before, but they always make me laugh when, you know, for instance, I didn't always know what was going on. And I kind of, like, thought, you know, because I remember this thing with Christopher Walk and he says, I don't read scripts because you're going to find out what happens when you watch the movie. And so we always played around with that.

You read the scripts inside out, but like me, I remember, you tell the story about me walking on set because there was a character, Zod, who was part of the, you know what? Tell the, yeah, tell the Zod story. I love hearing this. Well, the Zod story, I mean, it didn't take place in the caves, but we were outside. and it still makes me laugh. There is this, so, there's two Zod's stories. One is that you'd come to me a week before we started and you were like, dude, dude, because you had, you did this thing where you would come to me and maybe

to other cast members and you would want to run lines for what was going to happen the next week. You wanted to get ahead of it because you had a lot of lines. I didn't have a lot of lines, but I had a lot of hours that I was there. It was like the, oh yeah, yeah. straight off and you'd want to run lines sometimes and I'd be like oh my god dude I can't even think about next week I'm just trying to get through today and we'd run them and you'd already be off book and you'd be completely prepared and that was this the process um and it ultimately

helped me anyway because then it got me thinking about whatever but um you came with me one time and you're like dude dude check this out they want me to play another character and I was like yeah I mean all right whatever yeah his name's like Zad or something I'm like who's that and you're like I don't know you know I'm like I have no idea he could we were like we couldn't have been less informed for our characters and uh and you're like yeah dude I'm playing Lex in the same episode you know what that means and I'm like uh no what it was I mean is they got to play me twice

and I was like they gotta pay me twice yeah I'm not sure it works that way you're like yeah you're like guess what people I didn't yeah all of a sudden I thought you because it was a big part And I'm like, I'm playing this guy too. So you're paying me twice. So like, no, you're playing this character. Lex becomes odd. Well, that sucks.

I got to, I remember you just laughing. I remember doing one time, this is what these assholes on Smallville did. They had me dress up as the president and tried to make me learn 15 pages of dialogue to give a speech, which they, so I'm on there on the podium. And I'm like, I was directing that episode. Right, and I go, where the, I didn't memorize it. Oh, no, no, hold on, hold on. Let me interject, wait.

Interject. Let me tell the story, because it's much better from my perspective. Jesus. So it's me and it's Glenn, Glenn Winter, and if anybody knows anything about Smallville or Arrow or anything else, you should know who Glenn Winter is. But, and many other things. So he's, he's deep being, and I'm directing,

and we set up this stage where, you know, this president comes out and looks across everybody as the president does wearing the glove the black glove the white suit yep and you know we hadn't given much thought to it because you were never that person that we were worried about being prepared or unprepared like we just it was never concerned that you were unprepared like it never even entered my mind ever and so we come up for the blocking and you walk out on the podium the blocking is just like when you everybody hits their marks so you get the lights right and then everybody kind of goes away for five 10 minutes and then, you know, the next stage is we roll camera. So you come up for the blocking, and you're like, I'm not going to run the dialogue. There's so much dialogue I'm not going to run it. We're like, okay, and you're only standing there. So I'm like, Glenn, you're good?

He's like, yeah, he's lit good, he's good, all right. Cool. A couple of tweaks, couple adjustments, you know, and you're like, how much time until we shoot? Glenn was like, I don't, five minutes, ten minutes. So you leave. So then you're like, I don't want to do rehearsal. I just want to shoot.

and you were like very like I don't know if you had a flight to catch or whatever but it was like it was this buildup of like you were ready and I'm like wow all right man that's like 12 15 pages of dialogue and you just wants to go right in it like damn all right cool I wouldn't do that so you're like I don't do rehearsals just roll cameras I'm going to come out so like fine so we're ready you're behind the screen and they go and so I'm like glad you got yeah so you go action and you walk out of the podium I mean there's a hundred 50 people in the cast and everybody, you know, waiting for you to come out, you walk up to the podium and you get there and you look around and you're like, we're the teleprompters.

And we were like, wait, cut, what? And you're like, we're the teleprompters. We're like, we don't have any teleprompters. He's like, there's 12 pages of dialogue. I'm the president of the United States. I would have a teleprompter. Where's the teleprompter? We don't have I'm not learning 12 pages of dialogue. Oh, my gosh. Tom was like, he's actually right. A president would read off a teleprompter. And I didn't learn the line.

So what happened? We cut the scene, right? No, no, no. What happened was in my right election is you're like, give me 15, 20 minutes. And you went away and you came back and you had it. That's how I remember. Yeah, I remember.

But I remember it got cut. The scene got cut or something. Well, yeah, because it wasn't very good. Yeah, it wasn't very good scene. I should have memorized it. Hey, you know what? That's one of those funny things. Anyway,

I got abandonment issues because you move during this whole COVID thing. My friend Sean Spencer moved. My friend John Heater moved. My friend Chris Dowling moved. Everybody's moved. And I'm like, fuck. Like, I can't ride my scooter up to your house anymore. I can't like, you know, you're like 10 hour, whatever.

Where the hell of you are? You're far away. So now you live in this place. You're, again, you got this little ranch. You just bought horses. It sounds like you're not abandoned. And it's not, I know. It sounds like jealousy.

Maybe it's jealousy. But you have two horses now, too. You have these, what are they called? Well, they're miniature horses. It's Diana and Harry. Well, Diane and Harriet, but Diana Harry. And you have enough space. You have stables.

Yeah, we basically, you know, this COVID thing, I don't know if you and I have talked about this before, but it kind of put a lot of pressure on some friends and myself, where I always knew that L.A. wasn't going to be the NL&D. all for me. And when this whole head, it kind of was just like, what are we doing here? Like, why don't we really think about the next stage that we were going to be looking for anyway? So it sort of moved everything up for us, five or ten years. So we found a ranch

up in Northern California that pretty much was better than even what we were looking for and really just gave us a lot of space for us as a family, especially for my son, and to build and grow. And, you know, the mitcher horses are funny. I mean, they're hilarious. And it's just, I feel very thankful to be in a place with so much space because living up the street from you, we just, there wasn't a space for us. And in Los Angeles, you can't go anywhere anyway. Yeah. You know, I mean, you, listen, you're, I wouldn't call you a hermit, but I mean, you spent a lot of time at your house. Yeah.

But even when you want to leave now, there's nowhere to go. No, I don't really leave the house much. It's true. You're going to come up here. I'm going to come up there. I told you I'm going to come up I'm going to come up I almost tried to blackmail you and said I wouldn't come on your podcast unless you did it live here I should have you know what I'm going to do that next time we're going to do it next time hey look I saw the trailer for this movie this TV show you did for called professionals and and I saw it and I was like it looked like the production value was huge and I remember you going to do this and I and I see it and it's one of those things where I've been on stuff that all of a sudden hold it for six months and then nothing happens with it and i've done stuff and all of a sudden they do air it like what's going on with it do you do even know what's happening with it because

it looked cool shit yeah it was crazy we went down to south africa for three months and we shot and it was a it was a very uh adventurous shoot um but very exotic thing you know for me it was it was supposed to be a uh like an a team slash oh since 11 sort of idea um it was all daylight it rained for one hour and three months in Johannesburg. It's all blue skies. Like, that's just the season there, which is the exact opposite of what Vancouver is, if you think about it.

But it was a very adventurous, crazy, dangerous shoot. Yeah, you got shot at, right? Well, I didn't, but one of our cars did. Another cast member got carjacked. And I, listen, I don't want to go and say that Johannesburg is, I mean, it's not a same. safe place, but some of the people that we worked with

who were from Johannesburg, it's just the norm for them. But one of the one of the wardrobe people's their car got shot with an AK-47 like cross-ray. Wait, wait, wait. What day was this in the shoot? Was this day three?

Because day four, I would have been on a plane. No, this was probably four weeks in, but every day I had three security guards, and they're not just like security guards in suit. These guys are like military guys. With got with machine guns. And I had three guys with me at all time.

Did you feel safe with them? I mean, I felt safe with them. I would leave the hotel and I would get into an armored vehicle that had a trail vehicle that was armored. So there were two guys with me and one guy in the back one. And the idea they told me is, I go, what if we get pulled over or what if we get an accident? Because I was like curious about this lifestyle. And how they handle it.

Yeah. And they're like, basically, if we get an accident. one of us would put you in the trail car and they would take you to hospital we're not waiting for the ambulance like it was like because you don't know

if you're getting carjacked you know it was very I mean it sounds like a movie on its own it was scary and the idea was for Jessica and Thompson to come down there once I get settled

and it really was just like it wasn't safe so I you know they didn't come down but you're right the behind the scenes would have been a little even more exciting

and Renan Frazier who's you know the co-star he got carjacked while we were down there and they just wanted to cell phone nothing else was he nervous was he he was a little shaking up the next day

as we talked about it I think what happened you know you go to these places and you know you're excited and filming and you know oh you're always looking for the best of everything and when something like that happens it really kind of wakes you up

to like oh wait a second I'm this is I mean it sounds ridiculous but like this is real so did you really feel like what percentage of you every day on set was thinking I could I could be in trouble here

were you always was it always in the back of your head um I felt I was safe on set I was safe when I like once I left the hotel room with those guys with the three armed security you know uh like ex-military

Terry guys. I mean, I was safe. But on the weekends, like the two days that you'd have off, you don't leave the hotel. And if you do, you have to call and the three guys show up and they go with you. What were their names? I don't remember their sightings. And they rotate out. But they're also the same guys who go into the safari or into the reserves and protect rhinos. and I mean they're real men real men is the word they're real men

the real liver die situations for sure like you and I like to joke around a lot there's some things they didn't want to joke around about like I'm like you know what like I'd be driving home like I don't know Friday night at 9 o'clock whatever and they're like do you have any plans for the weekend because they want to know if they need to be there to go with me

and I'm like no I think I'm just going to go for a jog you know at night at like 2 a. see how far I can go. And they were like, don't joke about that. Like, they didn't. That's not funny. What, I just love watching your face tell the story.

You're almost reminiscing and going, oh, did you, how much did you miss? Like, honestly, were you, like, heartbroken that you missed Thompson and just that much? Yeah, it was, there were a couple days where they were much tougher. I mean, every day, I obviously missed them, but there were a couple days were really tough. You know, Thompson was really small. So I kind of convinced myself that, you know, he didn't know I wasn't there and what he really needed was his mom. But, you know, his mom, my wife, you know, obviously, you know, we just tried, we did the best we could. And she's a champ.

And she's on board. She's a role dog with like understanding that it was the job and stuff. But ultimately, we were able to, she was able to get out to New York and be with my sister and her husband and their family and my parents. And that helped out a lot, you know, just because. You know, otherwise she was just alone, a new mom with a little baby. And so she's a real champ through that. But yeah, I don't want to do that again. Inside you is brought to you by Rocket Money.

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together it's it's really fun it's really fun and people like seeing us together and you know when this ends we've got some big conventions planned and we do this thing called smallville nights guys i don't know if you've heard of it but it's like you know it's it's behind the scenes it's tickets late night you know after the convention's over and tom and i kind of walk through the walk the people who are there the guests sort of you know our time and smallville in a short way and then we start to read scenes but we we do it in a special way you know no one can film it no one could it's just an intimate evening with us kind of like an improv night in a way and people read scenes with us and some guy gets a bald cap and

you know and and so we're going and it's just such a fun like we were both kind of like is this going to be fun and once we did it we do it for like an hour hour and a half i mean the way the way i i i chuckle just thinking about it because and we like the reason we don't allow cameras or video tips is because it allows you and i to really let loose especially me right that it's really important for me because I have a tendency to be a little wary but um I don't know about you but like there's maybe three times a year that I laugh so hard that I can't breathe but every time we do small little nights I that happens like multiple times like you and I laugh like yeah it's just me with a lana wig and hair in my face and like reading that scene in small from

the pilot and then I won't tell you everything that goes on in there but if you guys ever have a chance and you're a smallville fan or whatever you just want to come out and have a good time the smallville nights if you see any us at a convention we're we're actually going to la molay well tom you're going to la molay i wasn't invited but i'm still going to go yeah in me well you invited me so in august but that's going to be that's going to be probably our biggest ever i think we have yeah access to a whole like convention space yeah i think it's going to be like a thousand people well we'd like to do a big one and uh you know hopefully i'll go it looks like i'll I'll go. We're trying to work that out. But Tom and Kristen will be there. And we'll do

a small of the nights in Mexico. And I'll tell you when I was there, it was right at the beginning of the pandemic. I'll never forget where I was at the beginning of the pandemic. And that was me asking to fly home a day early to get back to L.A. because they were going to close stuff in the airports and whatever. Me and Dolph. Yep. Me and Dolph Lundgren flew back. And that was it. We had to go back. And I remember. But the people in Mexico, even though we couldn't like touch them at that point it was just the beginning we couldn't hug and it was hard for us because we're like we like hey give a hug they were so amazing there uh i just love the country i love the people and uh i would be happy as shit to go back yeah i mean there all the conventions are fun on

to get you wrong but like that was such a big welcome like it was oh man it felt so good and it was scary because everybody knew every it was just it was like literally if it was the weekend after wouldn't have happened because of COVID. Oh, yeah. Like, literally, if it had been one week later, it wouldn't happen. And thankfully, I don't know anyone who got sick there, so that was true. All right, this is shit talking. These

are patrons of mine. They ask questions. If you want to join Patreon, I always message you right when you join, and it's a great fun group. It's patreon.com slash inside. And it's brought to you, bing. I'm just kidding. Michelle Kay, I would love to know if there are any

good pranks Tom ever pulled in the small cast or it pulled on him uh now can you think of one that you haven't told i literally i just looked at the window i'm like what have i not told i mean we would always like be like poking at each other but not ever at the sake of a performance i mean there's the one well we did have you dress up in the green screen uh skin tight leotard once oh god i was so pissed i was hanging like up there in this green leotard and a green screen blending in with the wall. And you're like, oh, just a little more. Can you make a face like this?

I'm like, why would I do that? Well, and I'm doing all these stupid things and they're just laughing their ass up. By then the camera, I could have been home two hours ago. And they were just fucking with me. I think. I think it was you one time I had my trailer. Glenn again, because Glenn was in on the jokes.

Yeah, but I had a big trailer, you know, whatever. And I thought it was you one day I walk and the AD goes, oh Michael know your trailer's over here and I go uh where and it was like this three banger so three three rooms in a row like the size of like a small shitter and I go

where he's like oh that that's your trailer today I'm like why he's like I don't know they just that's your trailer I'm like what the fuck and I went up to stairs to the production office I go Bob and he he couldn't even get one line out instead of going yeah he immediately started laughing

i go i go you fuck he goes i'm sorry i couldn't even keep up we're gonna try to keep that joke going for a while i mean it was the smallest trailer ever i mean i had my little gym in there and i was trying to i mean this anyway i thought it was you i thought we had it wasn't it wasn't with you but we had this uh we had this new this brand new ad guy and if you guys don't know what a d's i it's basically the person who is the least has the least experience ever they're the ones that are that are given the responsibility to knock on the actor's trailer and say we're ready and then follow them or lead them to set third ades or tads they're called tats even yeah tad more like that tad and we had this guy and it was this i think it was this second day and i don't

think you were part of this but me and steve oben the wardrobe guy i'm like steve give me a radio And by the way, you never give, you never give an actor a radio. Like, that's just, we'll get fired if you give an actor radio because actors are not responsive. Yeah, because I'm the one, hey, Tom, I'm the asshole. He goes, everybody's going to take a two hour lunch today. So enjoy that. I'm the actor guy. I'm the asshole.

Go ahead. Right. And then everybody goes, who gave him the radio? And then that person gets fired. Great. So I said to Steve, I go, come on, give me, give me a radio. He goes, I'm not going to give you my radio, but if you took it off my belt, then I couldn't do anything about it.

Oh, yeah. I was like, all right, sorry, taking up his belt. I think it was, maybe it was Jimmy, but I was, anyway, I'm like, uh, Jimmy come in and he's like, uh, Jimmy here. Like, uh, Jimmy, uh, can you meet Tom Walling outside of his trailer? Yep, on the way. Jimmy is there. Uh, Jimmy, are you outside Tom's trailer?

Yep, I'm right here. Um, saying that you're not there. And we're looking like, from like, you know. he's just fucking with this poor guy and he's standing outside the trailer and we're like Tom's on his cell phone saying that he's outside of his trailer and he doesn't see you

he's he's threatening to go home and this poor kid is like his physical his physicality is like I'm in front of his trailer and he's losing his mind oh my God and then finally like it ended up being like

15 people stepping out laughing and the kid was like but it was also sort of like a welcome to the... It's funny, as long as he doesn't get fired. All right, here we go. Rapid Fire, Leanne P. What's something that people don't know about Rosie? Leanne, what do you not know about me?

Oh. Or people don't know about me. I don't know. I mean, I think people know a lot of stuff about you. I think you... Well, this isn't a very rapid fire, is it? Go ahead. Give it, shoot it.

Do it, do it, do it, do it. I don't... I don't know, there's such, there's, there's, there's like an adventurous spirit about you that I don't think you follow enough out physically out in the world. Like, I think you want to travel and I think you want to see the world. Like, but I don't see you like doing it. There's like a fear, isn't there? For some reason I feel like, like, go on vacations.

Like, you don't like go out and do things for yourself. You know what it is? I bet it has something. Do you ever see that commercial where these, this couple? they go to a castle and the guy's got explosive diarrhea and the tour guide or whatever

is like, this castle once had 28 bathrooms and the guy's like, if it only had one now. And I'm thinking, I'm going to be uncomfortable. You know,

I got to wake up early to go look at shit. I want to sleep. I'm going to be a bummer for the other person. I just, all these things come. It's always fear with me.

You're right. You fucking know me. Sorry for the F-bomb. Dave P., rapid fire. Do you feel closure on your Smallville character after the return of the Infinite Earth's crossover? I felt closure on my character when we finished Smallville. I thought the infinite opportunity was just icing on the cake.

Good answer. Nico P., does it still irk you when people refer to you as Superman instead of Clark Kent? It used to, not so much anymore. Jack Slater. I like, poor me. Yeah, poor you. Hey, Superman. Now I'm like, I've been called worse.

That's sort of my comeback. Oh, yeah, you have been. Jack asked, if you didn't become an actor, what do you think you'd be doing? Let me see if I can guess this. If you didn't become an actor, it's just part of me wanted to say teacher, but I don't know. Nah. I think I would be like a forest.

I'd be like in the forest fire service or something. I could see that. Yeah. And then you get cat. They go, who's that firefighter at? Let's get him as a role. By the way, like, that's the funny thing, like, imagine if, like, I never got cast as like a forest fight.

Like, all I wanted in life was to be a forest fire and I can't even get that role. Marissa, Ann, I loved your portrayal. By the way, congratulations, Marissa. Just say congratulations, Marissa. Congratulations. She's graduating. She's awesome. I loved your portrayal of Canaan on Lucifer.

What were some of your favorite moments working on the show and with the cast? Um, well, all of them actually, but it was really fun when I got to work with Tom and Lauren together because their back and forth was so great and they were so welcoming to allow me to be a part of it. Um, they were just, they're, they're like, they're extremely prepared. Um, but at the same time, they want to have fun with what they're doing and get it done at the same time, which reminded me of kind of what we did in a way of Smallville. Um, but what a warm cast. I mean, I've never I had never really been on a show where I was like the guy who was going to be there every couple episodes and they were just like

hey man what's up you know like let's go do you have their phone numbers do you talk to them ever yeah Lauren and my wife have become great friends and then Tom's a great dude and he's always there

yeah they're just so you could get them on the show probably spread the word right oh I would reach out for sure if you you'd have to ask Well, all the patrons and listeners have been going, Lucifer, Lucifer, get those actors on. They're all dying for those guys.

I'd be happy to reach out for that. Well, they reach out and touch. You and Lauren would get along great, especially. Well, tell her that. That'd be awesome. Claudine Nand, one has been your proudest moment as a father so far. I mean, every second, every second, especially when he runs and puts his arms out and says,

Dada, it's every second. I mean, I was thinking the other day that we were doing, we were going to do this podcast and, like, you don't know until you have a child and people who have children know this. And someone like you who doesn't has to listen to people say this. But, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you want to be a father. Yeah, yeah, I do. Tom, what would you give advice to Ryan or anybody out there about being a father? What's the one thing you got to let go or one thing you just, you really need to know now that you're a father? fathering in the moment. Well, there's a, there's a funny thing where when we realized that we,

you know, we were pregnant and one of my good friends said, ha ha ha ha. And I was like, why are you laughing? And he's like, it's not about you anymore. And I was like, yeah, I know that. Like, I know it's not about me. But then when the baby arrives, it still took a couple of months for me to, like, there's a whole other phase of like, oh, I see it like nothing is about me anymore like that like you're a part of it but it's a whole other like thing in your in your body that you feel but it's the most rewarding thing you can ever do in the same in the same breath you know I will say this and I and I have no resentment or regrets or you know life is life you know deals the cards and you take them and and and you know you could respond or react how you want you could

blame you can do this I love my mother I love my father I've talked about that but I think that was a problem. My mom got pregnant so early and she was so young and she hadn't got to do, uh, she hadn't, she didn't do the thing she wanted to do right away. And I think that she, even though she loved us and did the best she could, so I don't blame her. She, she still wanted to be the center of attention. And that, I think that that affected us greatly or it certainly affected us a lot. Because you have to, you have to let go with that. You have to, as a father, if I ever have a just child, I have to be, you have to be, like, you cannot be selfish. The kid comes first, period.

Well, there's a term called a wonderful burden that could have been the case. And I think parents, like, that could happen to anybody where, like, you have a child. And it's, it could be a wonderful burden, you know, like, because of your situation or, you know, maybe your mom was juggling so many things at that time man you know this is like just kidding you go down this road forever but um but i but i think that's yeah i mean your mom i from your stories you tell me i mean your mom likes to be yeah yeah well look and so do i so i get that it trickled down i have to be the center of attention but i'm saying you know what i'm saying i'm saying i'm

i'm saying you just fucking kelly kell asked two questions then we're done buddy you're out of it Kelly, yes, after 20 years of bromance with Michael, have you ever had a fight? Remember that there was just that one time where I got mad, but you were just joking when I was directing an episode. Oh, but that's not a fight. Yeah, that was just you fucking with me. No, we don't really fight. So we, you know, the thing is, is like sometimes he'll tell me, it's like, dude, blah, blah, this is what has to get done. I'll go, oh, I'll go, dude, just remember.

You're right. let's go we we do that you know there's very few people in my life i don't know about you that i have the relationship with you where i just i don't have to question your motive no like i really i've never had to question them and i don't know how we ever really established that we just like i can't imagine like we've been in conventions where like we're both going in different directions and one needs something it's like okay let's go that's it's like michael jordan scotty pippin and i don't know who's who but it's just like i'm in like we already know like we're teammates like that's it we're friends yeah i agree 100% you know and i have to say it's

like i wouldn't say i you know i have i have close friends but you know if someone needs me or you know i remember when you went to the hospital i fucking i didn't think about should i go it was just there's certain people i'm like i'm going to the hospital right now right right you know what i mean there's like that's how it's going to be and that was a while ago so don't think he just went to the fucking hospital what happened what happened little lisa last one what's in your bucket list for 2021. I mean, I want to continue growing my family, but I want to get back to work, man. Like, in a situation where I feel like where everyone's safe, I want to work. I'm reading a lot of scripts. I have a lot of opportunities out there that more than I probably ever had

before, it's just a matter of figure out which one is a safe environment and a safe place, because we're all trying to do that in our own lives as well. Can we try to do something together? I know we've talked about it. We could do something just creatively and not worry about whether it's a huge success. We could just do it to have fun. And if it's successful, great. I think we should definitely, there's certain people in my life where I'm like, I just want to do something with them.

Well, I mean, I think we briefly talked about this a couple months ago, but, you know, let's come on up here where I am where we can just shoot on my property and we can climb mountains and, like, do something fun. Exactly. Like, you know, I don't think you need a permit to film on your own property. No. Do you? Maybe insurance.

By the way, Jordan Jones. as the winner of season alone season six remember he's a buddy now and he's going to take us because he won he knows how his survival skills so you're going to go with me padalecky's going to go chris doughtry name dropping and a couple of my friends who have just been my friends for life who are not in the industry like lally and and maybe my friend ballard and uh you think my guess is bad you Jared carrying lally up the mountain or something he'll carry me i'm i'm telling you i'm i'm so scared about after this you're going to be like rosenbaum is just such an idiot i always have this fear that I'm just going to like, you guys are lighten fires and I'm like sneaking in a lighter

and like, you know, and like you guys are frying fish and I've got like fish sticks from like more, you know, Gordon's fish sticks and like I can't do anything. And I'm just, that's why we have to do it. That's why we have to do it. Survival. Remember, you can't be creative if you're in survival mode, guys. Can't be in creative mode if you're in survival mode. That's, that's my, that's, I hope, I mean, it's just something to, when you think about, it you can feel it um and you can like i don't know when i'm even when i feel like i'm in survival mode i'm like even like how can i be creative in my survival mode somehow or how can i just step back for a second and look at options because in survival mode you have a tendency to get

you know narrow minded and and lose foresight but if you have the ability to just kind of step back for a second i mean you're really good at this i've seen you do this and um just sort of seeing the big picture yeah well dude look man i love you like a brother and you've always been so supportive man you wear my left and laurel hat you listen to the album i remember going oh my god i sold 20 things the band we sold and i'm like oh it's all from welling well i love those hats inside of you online store well i will send you more stuff man i always send you shit you know what i really love is when you ride up to well what used to be my house in those scooters those bad ass scooters you have um what those like the fat ones the fat

fat scooters yeah those are dope well maybe i could talk to the guys about getting you on maybe if you make a video off road tires and like make sure they can you know the suspension can carry me but yeah yeah they are badass i love them they designed one of them my one of my favorite movies the warriors the old gang movie so they decked it out warriors they did an inside of you one for the podcast those guys are great yeah yeah they're drew and peter they take care of us and in fact you know i i work you know i do stuff with the Ronald McDonald's House and my buddy, Preston, they go, hey, can we give Preston a scooter? I'm like, yeah. They're just, I mean, they're just good dudes.

And it's a good company, fat scooters, man. I love those guys there. And yeah, we'll get you on. But hey, guys, this is Tom Welling. All right, dude, you're awesome. That was incredible. All right. Thanks for having me on.

Thanks, thanks for. All right. Later, buddy. I love you, man. See you. I love the guy. He's a brother to me. Welling's a brother. He'll always be a brother.

You know, I always appreciate Tom coming back to the show. And he wears his left on Laurel hat and his inside of you hat. I'm not with left on Laurel. I have to wear a sunspin hat now. That's true. But same thing with Stephen Amel. Always wears the inside of you hat and supported the band. It's just nice.

People don't have to do that and they do it. And, you know, they do it because either the hat fits really nicely and looks really good on them or they want to support me or both. Or they couldn't find another. hat. Thanks to everybody again for listening and all my patrons. I like the video thing we did patrons. So I'm going to do that again where you guys ask questions on video and I respond to them on video. It's a little thing, guys, inside of me. When you're a patron, if you go to Patreon, p-at-r-e-on.com slash inside of you. You join, you support the podcast and there's tears and there's

lots of fun. And I might even do another YouTube live with just the patrons this weekend. So I'll let you guys know And don't forget the inside of you online store Everything's 15% off with the code Happy New Year 21 Will you remind me, Ryan? You didn't remind me last time Happy New Year 21

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here we go these are all uh lovely people and i know uh just about all of them i know all of them and that's what's great about patreon you get to know people nancy d thanks for the pillows leah s thanks for the pillows trisha f sarah v little lisa ukeko jill e brian h hidden cam loren g nico robin s jerry wood emily k we got robert i we got jason dabaia stephen j christin k not to be confused with christin crook amelia o alison l j j j j j Lucas M. Raj C. Joshua D. Emily S. C.J. P. That's correct. Samantha. M. Gosh, you're good. I wouldn't get these. Yeah, I would. Jennifer N. Jackie P. Stacey L. Carly H. Jennifer S. Janelle B. Cary B. Ashley K. Kimberley E. Crystal H. Mike E. Marissa. Danielle P. Jack S. Yes. Jack S. Jack Slater. I love my Jack. R. Mira. That's right. Beth B. Santiago.

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and the winners of the last stage it we got ray ray i love you it was so great talking to you in australia um gracie i love you and thanks for supporting uh we we do these stages folks and they uh you win prizes and their zooms and uh gracie won the early show and ray won ray herada ray herada won the other show great prizes and new sunspin pictures and And it means a lot to me that you guys keep coming. I want to do these shows forever. I almost want to just do the, it's weird. I kind of want to just do the podcast and Patreon and do my music and stage it's and be nice.

I mean, it's a blessing to be able to do all these things. I love you guys. Thank you for allowing to be inside of you from my house. Undisclosed location. Yeah, in the hills. Ryan, thank you. Thank you. Let's wave goodbye.

Bye. See you guys. Thank you. Hi, I'm Joe Sal C. Hi, host of the Stacking Benjamin's podcast. Today, we're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000. What would you do? Put it into a tax-advantaged retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home. Something nice. Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this edition that we're adding. $50,000. I'll buy a new podcast. You'll buy new friends. And we're done. Thanks for playing everybody. We're out of here.

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