Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Smallville’s KRISTIN KREUK: Growing Out of Nerves

Episode Date: February 15, 2022

Kristin Kreuk blesses us again with an appearance on the podcast to talk about her feelings around the ending of Burden of Truth and her experience with shows ending as her career matured in Hollywood. Kristin expands on the idea in previous appearances of how her nervousness that she used to have on Smallville has evolved with age and experience. We also talk awkward interactions with actors at cons, letting go of our judgment of our past selves, and removing ego for the betterment of a piece of art. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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we're doing the best we can thank you for listening and right now let's do it a lot to talk about let's get inside of christin crook it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum inside of you with michael rosenbaum inside of you with michael rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience you look very festive you have a sort of uh what are you wearing i like it it's kind of like uh the hills it's like a full thing i like it what is it what how would you describe that that's it makes me think of it not the hills have eyes that's a horror movie but the other one the um the hills are alive with the sound of music the sound of music you mean i i don't i don't know it's just like a it's like a

roles but not i like it me too where are you where's home in toronto i'm in toronto i'm in my in my office now word on the street is that you might be moving to vancouver oh yeah you've heard about that yeah what's what's that about why would you want to be closer to your family because i do i want to be closer to my family And, you know, my sister's got two kids now, and my best friends are there, and, you know, I kind of miss it. And it's going to be weird. I've been every day out here in Toronto, I'm like, oh, well, that's not going to be in Vancouver. This is kind of constantly, Toronto is just much more cool than Vancouver is.

Why is it cooler? First of all, it's cold. It's cold in Toronto. It's not right now. I mean, Vancouver's been, the weather. I mean, Vancouver's been horrible, you know, with climate change and everything. But I don't know. It's going to, here it's sunnier more often in Toronto.

It gets really cold, but it's pretty, I'm not going to miss the cold. I hate the cold. Now, the only thing that kept you there was burden of truth. No, I moved out here because I wanted to start producing. And Toronto's better in Canada for that. so I you know I did that I built a bunch of connections and I know a bunch of people here now but I don't know if it really makes that much of a difference where I am in the end and at least I'll be close to home you know with my parents and my sister and her kids and my friends and

the mountains and the ocean and all those things that I love you know I was talking to welling and the one word that came up first of all he says hi he sends his love hi hi hi Tom I don't get just song yesterday. He listens. You what? I feel like I just saw him yesterday. You saw him in Paris. Yeah. How was Paris, by the way? You love Paris. I love Paris. It was weird. It was crazy. It was the first thing I'd done, you know, in the midst of COVID. And it was packed and just the convention was packed. A lot of fans. Yeah, a lot of people were there. I mean, I would think it was a smaller space because I don't think they had originally expected that many people and they couldn't get a bigger space. So it was so busy. But, you know, it ended up being fine and it was nice and

it was nice to talk to everybody and the city itself was wonderful. I was there for like a week afterward and it was sunny the entire time and gorgeous and the food was delicious and it was, you know, everything. You do. Your face lights up when I say Paris. It's just. I love it there. I'm a second. for the city. It's also just so, it's a quite a, that city changes so much. There are so many people that come in, the, you know, the food is constantly shifting. There's, you know, in, I can't remember at all these malls right now. But in one area, there's like a massive Vietnamese population. So the food is like this, like, there's lots of great Vietnamese food. So I love how the city is constantly changing. And every time you go, it's kind of a new Paris. And I really like that. That's great. You know,

when you first started doing small you were kind of like the shy you were young you were 17 you were do you still feel I mean obviously you're more mature you're a woman now you're doing not yeah obviously but when you go to do these cons do you get anxious do you get anxiety do you feel like can I do this can I you know are you better around people because I know you love people but you're also kind of shy and you know a little introverted and you're a reader you're a reader we'll get into that But, yeah, so how do you deal with it? How do you approach it? What's your mentality when you go into something like the big convention?

Well, with like the stuff that we do, the actual scheduled activities, the, you know, signings or the panel or whatever, I really don't find those things too stressful. What I find more stressful is like our free time sitting around with all these, you know, actory times. I don't know I don't know you guys and I feel really uncomfortable and I don't know what to talk to them about so that's always the most awkward part So you're saying you're most comfortable around people

And it's the actors and that side of it That you're more uncomfortable with A little bit I mean I think for me it's all about Like I know what I need to do on a panel You know I get asked There obviously is like I'm not a performer like you are. So I don't feel like, and I don't even feel pressure to entertain everybody. I just feel like I just have to answer the questions. You really don't. You really don't feel like pressure to be on.

You've never felt like that. Like I have this propensity to, you know, just be on, to be the center of attention to because that's all I know. And if I don't do that, people will think something's wrong with me. In fact, you'll look at me and go, what's wrong with you? Why are you quiet? No, it's true. I would assume something was off. But do you feel like it's only a pressure? Do you like doing that also? I think it's exhausting, but I feel compelled to, you know, kind of get out of my skin and just, you know, be more alive and be more alive with the people like give them a show,

give them something they'll remember. And that's exhausting for me, you know, it's always being on. It's always then you get home and you're like, oh, my God, I just want to die. And everybody's like, oh, let's go out for dinner after. I'm like, no, thanks. I feel like, yeah. Well, I think the fans really appreciate that. And I actually, I think Tom really appreciates that, too.

It's like you take a load off for him. I think he doesn't, he's great at that stuff, but I don't think he wants to carry the entertainment factor. So it's, I mean, I think people appreciate that you do it. Yeah. And it would be weird if you didn't do. I can't imagine you just being like, relaxed in a chair, just answering questions.

It just doesn't feel like you. Maybe the older I get, that's what will happen. I'll start to kind of just relax a little bit and not... I'm fine with that. If you make that decision, I will support you 100%. I mean, I can't be 70 years old and beyond, can I? You can, indeed. And how would you feel about that?

See, I'm wondering what you think. I'm worried about what you'll think as a 70-year-old guy doing this. If it makes you happy and it brings you more joy than stress, then I would support you being on at 70. If it brings you more stress and makes your life worse, then I would suggest you just sit calmly. Yeah. But you enjoy yourself when you go there.

You know what you're doing now. You know how to talk to people. You're a good spirit, but you don't always feel like you have to be on. You're just, in a sense, you're just you, aren't you? I try to be. I mean, it's a heightened me. Obviously, I am not.

I will I'm a little more mellow generally but yeah I'm mostly just myself Right but you know before I got into this I was like welling says hi and we were both talking And then we got off on a tangent on on

Right sorry No it was my fault but uh you know We were like you know she's a mystery She's a very mysterious person like we were thinking Who is Kristen Krook you know what inspires christian croup you know and i was thinking uh you know why aren't we married not you and me not like i'm not married i you know i there's there's reasons why but like

you know you're you're you're you're when i first met you're 17 and now you're you're getting older i'm a lot i'm still older than you i still got you beat but you're you're approaching 40 yeah i guess it's interesting like i i i I believe in like long-term monogamous relationships, there are things that I get a lot of joy and meaning out of. It's just marriage itself feels very constructed by society and a society that I don't necessarily agree with in every way. Like I feel like it's something it's something that's sold to us

as a way to find some sort of completion or happiness. And I don't really believe that. I believe it's a myth. And I think that, I mean, what I've chosen isn't that different for marriage. So, like, it's not like I'm planning to just be polyamorous my whole life. Right, right. Like, I prefer long-term monogamy. But I don't know.

I just, it doesn't feel like anything I've ever aspired toward. And in some ways, I think that I appear as a very, like, conservative person. and in many ways I am. But I think my little rebellions against what I'm sold by my society is what will make me happy. They're just my little rebellions. Now, have you had these conversations with your boyfriend? Obviously, he's like when he knows how you feel about this, he has probably, you know, he's like, well, I'm fucking never asking her to marry me because I know what the answer is going to be there.

I mean, is there sort of that feeling or is it, do you think? But Michael, like, it's, it's. We're all legally, we're married. Is that true? Yeah, essentially. Common law is the same thing. Is there common law in Canada? Yeah, and in the United States as well.

I don't know your law specifically, but you live together for a certain amount of time. And it's essentially the same. You know, you haven't signed one kind of a contract, but you still need to take into account that, you know, if he and I are to split up, he could sue me

for a lot of money you know like it's just it's the same it's the same thing um yeah and there's still meaningful

conversations about commitment and about our intentions and like all of that feels it's just the idea of I don't know in some ways it's as simple

as like going having a wedding or none of those things mean anything to me they feel so devoid of meaning and I suppose that's because they've constantly been presented to me

as like some sort of a thing that is like of importance and I just don't mind. So a big celebration to celebrate Christian Kruke getting married and the idea of that is just, yeah, you look at me, you just looked at me like, no, you don't want to, again, you don't want that attention, you don't want, you don't feel like it's necessary and it's not something, because most girls, well, I was just going to say,

most women, I think, you know, at a young age, oh, I want to have kids and grow up and be married. And the guys think the same way. I always thought, you know, I'd be married and I'd have kids by now. And but, you know, you have this more mature aspect of like the whole or perspective of of what marriage is. And it's just like, you know. I don't know if it's more mature, but I didn't get sold.

Like, so my parents never said to me, get married and have kids. That's the way your life should go. My parents were like, don't get married. Don't get married. Unless you're going to have kids, don't get married. And it was never, you have to have kids. Right. Like, none of that was ever presented as my ultimate end place, like some sort of completion of my life.

So they never promoted that to me. And honestly, my family, like, everyone's really different. Some people have kids. Some people don't. Some people are married. Some people are not. Like, it's just some people got married older. Some people got married younger.

I don't have a family that has all been the same that way. So I've been able to look to aunts who chose not to get married. married and, you know, others who chose to get married but didn't have kids for whatever reason. You know, I just, everyone chose different things. And I feel really free being able to, like, make decisions. It's a weird place to have people think that there's some proper end place. And that if you're not going towards that, you, like, aren't, it isn't correct. And I don't understand that.

I don't understand it either. No, it's true. I just, I think, you know, you're right. I mean, what is it, you know, I always think I don't want to be alone. I don't want to be the 70-year-old rambunctious guy that goes to conventions and is the life of the party and then goes home and he's alone. I like to find somebody who, but that doesn't mean that I have to get married to them. That just means that I'm with someone.

So the whole idea of marriage, and I think your parents are right. I think I have a lot of friends who say, you know, I don't want to, you know, don't get married if you're not going to have kids. So have you always thought about where you always had a, always the mentality of, I don't really want kids. Kids are not for me. I'm not that. That's not, you know, because I think, you know, I'm a little too selfish, you know, and the kids have to be the center of attention. If I have a family, you know, that all has to stop. It has to be like these, because my mom, you know, my family, the dysfunction, she was the center of attention. And when you have kids, you can't do that. The kids have to be the center of attention. And so you have to give so much more. So, you know, I look at, you know, maybe the reason I don't want to get married is because I look at, you know, myself as a child. And I'm like, I'll be so hard. on myself to be the best father I can be

that I don't want to put the burden on myself. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. But again, I don't know. Like, you don't want to be alone, and that's fair. But I don't know. I think there are so many ways not to be alone. Yeah.

And it depends what you're looking for. So if it's a partner, you can have a partner. partner you can be married to that partner or not be married to that partner whatever your choices are like i don't know why it has to be one way so your parents don't say anything to you they never say why aren't you married that that's not no absolutely that's that's usually parents are like that with with their kids i know i'm very lucky that way my parents are are are not like that with me they don't they they just want me to you know be happy and doing something meaningful You know, so whatever that looks like.

Are they, do you think, you know, are they proud of you? Do you feel like, you know, I know at a young age, because they were never parents that came on set, right? They were never there. My parents never really did that either. But do you feel like now, after all you've done and you're, you know, you're very charitable and you're, you know, you just, you've done a lot in your life? Do you think your parents have you, has your dad ever sat with you and said, you know, Kristen, I'm really proud of you? I mean, we've talked about this a little bit before, but not in those words, you know. And I, and I, and I, do you need to hear it?

What? Do I need to? Yeah. I think I did at some point, and I don't really now. But I don't know if it's so deeply ingrained in me, like there is some, yeah, like some sort of thing I'm striving to. I mean, do we ever fully get rid of that? I mean, that takes a lot of work to not want to please your parents. I know, I know. Which kind of what we're trained to do.

But I think I know what makes them proud. And in some ways, those are the same things that would make me proud about myself. What that comes from, I don't know if I just internalized all the rules that they and values that they had. I don't know. But I think like, I don't know, I look at my life at this point and I'm like, okay, I've got it theoretically, hopefully, a chunk of time left. and I can start investing more in my community

and that's what I want to be able to do. Like what we do is really great and we can talk to a lot of people and we can reach a lot of people, but I want to be more invested in the smallness of my community be able to, you know, volunteer and make an impact on the ground

and I think that's kind of what my next... Where do you want to volunteer? What do you want to do? Well, I am interested in so many things and so that's what I need to figure out. I mean, there's a few ways. women's shelters in Vancouver that I'd like to work with once I'm there. But also, you know, there are things that I, like, on the ground things I'd love to be able to do just with, you know, the environment.

Like, I, but I have to start to suss out in Vancouver, specifically, because I'm going back. Now everyone knows. Everyone knows. Well, Vancouver is a very big place. BC is a big place. So it's not like they're going to know where you are. But, you know, yeah, exactly.

I'm not worried. I'm not worried about that. But yeah, yeah. So I just need to just get a kind of foothold in my community and feel what's going on. I feel like I know more about Toronto now than I do Vancouver. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money, period. It's Rocket Money.

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Really? There's always a story to tell, isn't there? Well, there isn't. The fans will say. The fans will say that. They'll say. There's always stories to tell. Yeah. Yes. I suppose that's true. But the stories that we wanted to tell were kind of done. It was a show. It was a show. that hinged a lot on cases that revealed personal. It kind of had a finite structure to it. And we didn't want to, I mean, we pushed it one season extra more than we had planned to. And we were really happy with what we ended up with. And we felt like it was, it was time to retire the characters.

So you knew it ahead of time or did they say, hey, we're not going to. So you knew the season, the last season was the last season. Did everybody know or did you just know? executive producer no no we all we all knew i mean mostly it was weird because i thought that the cbc would announce that and they never and they never did so we were always like can we talk about this can we so we just it was like a weird it was a weird situation that way but yeah i think most of us knew it was the end yeah and how do you how do you react now you know at your age and the amount of work you done when it ends are you sad are you fulfilled are you like do you just kind of move on and go

what's next? I think the latter, but I it doesn't negate how meaningful the experience was. Right. Especially on burden of truth. It was such a meaningful experience. And the people that I worked with and the stories that we got to tell meant a lot to me.

So it feels like that's meaningful. But when I leave a show, it feels like I'm, it feels like, okay, done. but it's always felt that way I don't know I think I'm weird that way You're not a crier You're not a big crier

I am I'm a crier But I don't know that I cry about Like Work that much What do you cry about A lot of things I'll cry

Movies and crap books What's the last thing you cried about What's the last thing you cried about I think I might have cried in a succession episode about something recently. Was it succession? No, I watched Nomadland for the first time.

Did you watch everything? I didn't see it. Ryan, you've seen it? Yeah, it won the Oscar last year. They just won the Oscar last year. It won the Oscar for what? Best picture. Really? I didn't see it.

It was Francis McDormand. She's just on the road. Nomadland. Nomad land. It's beautiful and sad. It's very sad, but hopeful. it's like it's kind of like a road movie really maybe not in a way it is

it seems like a road movie to me it was beautiful and about America and about like mortality but also like the effects of capitalism and how capitalism fails us as a society and the people that get left behind and how you find meaning when you become useless to society that a society that values you for your ability

to produce. Yeah. Are you an ugly cryer? Or are you like just kind of like, oh, you know, I mean, when's the last time you had an ugly cry, Kristen? Because I have some of those every once in a long time. A long time. You know those just like, I can't get it together kind of cry.

Yeah. It's been a very long time, very long time since that's happened. Thankfully, because that normally happens when something intense has happened. Yeah, exactly. Jack Reacher. Are you going to be in Jack Reacher? I am in Jack Ritcher, yes I am How big of a part in Jack Ritcher

I mean like half the episodes Half the episodes I had no idea Yeah It's not like I'm like On the lead cast or anything I just I'm in like half the episodes It's a it I have a you know Georgian accent

And I'm a Georgian accent Correct yeah Like Atlanta Georgia or Georgia It's a little more more, it's a little more thick because I couldn't find, I couldn't find the perfect balance on the Georgian accent. But she's still like an educated woman. Right. But, but she, I can't give away too much. There's like a twist. But yeah, it was, it was a lot of fun. It was, it was weird. It was weird, but it was really fun. I've never heard you. Oh, that's not true. You've had an Indian

accent in something. I did. Right? You did that. You did that very well. I did. I had a British accent, and then her I had a British accent for a video game. What's the easiest accent that comes to you that you could just jump into it any time? I'm not going to do it now, Michael. God, damn it. Not a Georgian accent for me? I think British is my best accent. Like, when I say British is a very, like, London night, like, not like, I am not that good at accents.

I'm fine at it. Do you have to really work at it? Do you have to, is it something you get a voice coach and really sit down with them and work? Yeah, I'm great with sounds. I'm really good at, like, I'm great at mimicking sounds, so I'll work with a coach and I'll learn it fairly quickly. But there are some sounds that are just tough in every accent, just because the way that I speak English just doesn't translate that well. But I love it. It's so much fun. Yeah, you like diving into it. Do you still like acting as much? Because I never really thought of you as someone who loves acting. And then I see

you're just your career take off and you do you're doing all these shows and you're the lead and the producer and and you know earlier you were saying produce early pretty surly produce early is that all right producerally prodisorily you were you you enjoy like you want to produce more like and do you think that you like do you do you still love acting or is it something like you know I'd like to move away from acting and if I could just produce and and do your charitable work you would do that is that a tough question no yes and no I I do love acting. I have a lot of fun,

but I don't always have fun. Explain that, explain that, because I feel the same way. I don't like being on set for 14 hours doing the same thing. I get really, I feel like,

you get bored. I get really bored. Right. I don't get, although I haven't worked on a big budget production for a long time. So,

except for Reacher was like, I have a lot of money. But I am used to, you know, doing so many scenes a day that you don't settle, you do like what two takes a scene and you're gone like it's so fast so you don't have time to get bored um but i think that it's just about sometimes it's just really draining i i think acting is really

draining and especially when you're working on a tv show um it's also really gratifying in those experiences because you get to live with the character for so long so so you get to dig you know deeper and deeper into somebody. But I just, I think it's, it's the emotional work of it, especially because I normally am playing characters who are, it's normally dramatic stuff. So I'm sad, traumatized, whatever it is. And that sometimes becomes exhausting. I also don't love being in front of camera as much anymore.

I mean, not that I loved it before. Yeah, I was like, wait a minute. not any better than it was really why is that do you still are you still shy or you still just what what is it about being in front of a camera well i think on a on a vanity level i think getting older is weird as a woman in front of the camera um especially to be frank because like i haven't i think i've become pretty decent as an actor but i wasn't hired because i am like the best actor in the room. So when you kind of get cast in a pocket of being pretty or whatever it is, it's like a weird thing to go through the process of aging in front of the camera. And in many

ways, I like it because I feel confident enough to let myself do that. And I feel like I can do that. And that's the only way it's going to change. But it's also an uncomfortable process. Yeah, I can understand that. I mean, definitely aging. You look back and you look when you were younger, not you, proverbial you, but all of us. And I'm like, God, my face was so thin. I was so, you know, whatever it is, you're looking at yourself and just judging yourself. And I, you know, I wish I could just sometimes just let go and just be like, this is, this is who you are. And this is, this is your, this is aging.

This is life. This is part of it. And you're going to get older and you're going to have little things on your face. And people are going to go, oh, look at that. Oh, they look. And I always hate that when people go, God. they look older. I'm like, yeah, it's 20 years ago.

Yeah, and I think that I think the reality is we, our show was pretty successful. And that was a long time ago. So we're constantly going to be compared to us then, you know. Yeah. And, you know, you go to conventions and there's just, you know, our photos from, you know, 20 years ago constantly. So it's just, it's a constant conversation that I have to happen.

my head just to be like this is good this is okay this is like normal doesn't matter uh what people are talking about ultimately you go through this you go through this every time you film or every time you're in front of the camera no i don't i'm not that self-conscious but it's only when like if i see dailies and i'm like oh that's not a very attractive shot uh and then i'm like that's okay christin is not about that it's about the scene character like you like when i watch actors i'm not going like whoa that's an unattractive shot of them i'm going oh my god that scene is so good or i love the way that they that that wrinkles in their face moved in that scene or the commitment the commitment of the character the devotion

to the to the role the that's those are the great actors you don't really have to worry about like what they look like and like let's go to because we were talking about earlier like francis McDonald is a genius. She is so good and I am fairly certain that she she is not analyzing herself in that way. Yeah, I think when you can do that, then you've really, you've gone to a good place when you could just stop worrying about what you look like because we all do it to a certain point. There is that vanity. There's that you want to look the best you can. So when people, because you know, film lasts forever and that you're like, you know, this is my image. But at the same time, you look like you look and you can't really control everything and you're it's just stressed

that you're you're dealing with that you can't control well and it isn't substance of what we are it's not the substance of the work that we're doing it's very that doesn't really matter that much when it comes to who a person is yeah but again we've been conditions since we were quite little that's very true how do you um prepare for a role do you think that now that you're getting older that you have to be on top of your game with exercise and learning your lines and things like that. Have you changed anything or what? I've changed tons. I didn't know anything when I started. It's taken me all this time to kind of patch work together some sort of a process. I mean, I love research. I love school. I love research. Are you still going to school? Are you

done with school? Yeah, I'm almost done. And what's your degree in? It's a it's a general bachelor's of arts degree, but specializing in history. But no forensic science, huh? No, although I was looking online yesterday to see if there were some, you know, fully online master's programs. And there are some, like, criminal psych programs out there, but I'd have to, you know, change my, I'd have to get a couple of other courses, I think, before I could do that. Yeah.

But, yes. So we were talking about acting. Yeah. So what is your process, as the Canadian said? I mean, that's extreme. But I love research and I like crafting, you know, character backstories. Like, I love getting a real deep sense of who a person is, what their life has been made up of, you know, all the usual stuff. And, yeah, I think at this point, I mean, Smallville was a different beast entirely.

But I have to know my lines, especially the last show I did, which was so much legal jargon. and I'd have courtroom scenes block shot. How do you learn your lines? I just run them constantly. Constantly before. Beforehand until the day. Until I had it. Because I get nervous.

Courtroom scenes, I get nervous because there's a lot of people there. It's like doing theater. So there's a lot of people I'm performing in front of it, and then I get scared. I don't get scared normally, but just with all those people. So I have to deal with my nerves, and I'm trying to, like, navigate all of this courtroom jargon. That's true. That's going to be really stressful. Did you ever think, God, I wish I just had a cue card?

I wish I just had an earwig. No? No. I couldn't do. I couldn't act and have that. Some people could. I couldn't do that. But you have like monologues that you have to go up there and do, right?

Yeah. And that scares the shit out of you. When I'm in front of people, yes, absolutely. Because the more people there are in a scene, the more, and if they're moving, the more it takes to reset the scene. If I'm by myself, if you and I have a scene, we're in a two-hander, and I have, to like yammer on at you forever and I and I fuck it up I can just go back but if there's like a bunch of people and we're all doing stuff there's props we have to go it takes so long if you mess up to backtrack right um and people lose their concentration because they're background performers

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I have exercised since I was a kid, and I will always. do it. It's so important to me. I just, it's funny because I'm taking a physical fitness class at school right now. I actually just got my final exam before I got on. A physical fitness class. Yeah. So it's a health class. Right. Study. It's basically for people I think who are interested in getting into like kinesiology or personal training or that kind of stuff. But I just took it because I'm interested so i've been like building fake exercise programs for for people um for fake hypothetical people and do one for me and i you want me to create a program for you yeah but yeah that would be great you already work out i mean i don't work out very much probably a couple times a week you need to be

getting mostly michael you just need to make sure that your cardiovascular health is really good i don't do a lot of cardio you have to 150 minutes of moderate to vigorous physical activity per week 150 what minutes it's not that much two and a half hours is what that is two and a half hours so you can go walk really fast for a while you can go for a job you can just make sure that your heart rate is up at a decent rate jeez ryan do you do that i was trying to calculate i don't think so you do that christin what do you do what do you do what do you do? Fair amount. No, I mean, are you on a treadmill or do you go for a run? No, I like running outside. You like running outside. I only started during the pandemic. I hated running. I hated

running. Right. Yeah, with my back, though, it's the impact. So I can't really do that, but I can go on brisk walks. I could, uh, you know, I could bike if I want to, but I'm on a, is it your back? Is it your back? Yeah, it's just like it's not great for your back when the impact when you're running. I do. I am a member of a little club that has a pool. Swimming would be perfect. If you could get in some swimming or something that you liked or like um 150 minutes like a stationary bicycle i have one i just haven't used it but for your back do is it like an upright are you okay in an upright bicycle or are you better up upright's fine i mean both is fine yeah i think i should do that you only have to do it like five times a week for 30 minutes you're really uh intense about this

150 minutes a week like there's something that you've read in this book of uh physiology uh what is it yeah i think that the the research suggests that you get a huge boost in benefit health benefits at 150 minutes per week maybe my anxiety will go down if i just uh it will help your anxiety really yeah and you need to do two days of of resistance training which I think you already do. Resistance, like weights. Do you have a trainer or do just do it by yourself? No, I have an all-women's gym that I go to right now in Toronto,

and it's like all fun because it's all barbell strength training. So we get to lift heavy, and I like doing that. Don't you like going to an all-woman's gym so you don't have to have guys hit on you and stare at you? Yeah, I do. But I don't know. I don't know if that would happen as much any. anymore what do you mean anymore you know men are maturing no men are tend to gravitate towards

younger women when they go to hit on people oh Kristen you don't look your age I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm just making a comment okay like 15 years old is when I got hit on the most 15 men oh yeah oh god that's gross i'm sorry you had to deal with that shit yeah me too yeah it's something that probably haunts you doesn't it that's probably in a sense you might want to have kids because you're like you know they have to deal with that and all that shit that they have to deal with in the real world no i i mean i don't think i've thought about it that way with kids but yeah but it's awful and a lot of a lot of girls go through that at that age.

How do you feel about it being the 20th anniversary of Smallville? Does it, does it kind of, do you think about that? Do you think like, holy shit? What do you think about? Time goes by really fast. Yeah, it sure does. Yeah, it just goes by so fast. I think that's mostly, and with the pandemic too, because it all happened at the same time.

These year, the year and a half of the pandemic went by so quickly. And then having the, you know, because we didn't. There was no real differentiation in the days that all kind of blurred together into this one massive time that just was like, what? It's already been a year and a half already. And then with the 20-year anniversary, I was like, it just goes by so quickly. Yeah. Do you miss anything about it? Is there anything you miss that you think back?

You know, I really had fun doing this. I miss this person. I miss this sort of camaraderie. You know, I miss working with Tina Tioli. Yeah. I miss joking around with Steve Obin, and I miss having... Steve Oven was our wardrobe guy who just, let's just say Steve was a great energy on set and spoke his mind and would just tell it like it is. He did.

He did indeed. I remember him walking in the trail and go, here's your shirt. And I'm like, I don't really like it. He goes, I don't care. They told me to give it to you. Just you wear it or you don't have to. I don't really give a shirt. It is pretty much dead.

We were young. We were young and eager and, you know, I was, I just remember it. It just feels like it was so long ago. It really does feel like it was long, a long time ago. It's like another lifetime. It is. But what do you think about when you're 70 or 80 and people saying they just, they remember Smallville?

That's what, is that okay with you? Is that, does that bother you? Do you want to be known for something else? Do you, do you hate talking about Smallville? No, I don't hate talking about. about it. I also I hope that the substance of my life isn't

measured by things that people remember me for in the general public. Like I'd like the substance of my life to be smaller, if that makes sense, and deeper. How do you want to be remembered? Yeah. I don't know. I've honestly never thought about how I

will, because I'll be dead. But I do, I want to have built meaningful relationships and made some sort of positive impact on those closest to me. I think that's it. I don't. And the world. I think that you are someone like you want to help with women's shelters.

You're always, whenever I talk to you, you're always looking how you can help, how you can help someone's life. I think that that's always been a part of you. Yeah, that has been a part of my life. And it's, you know, been, it was derailed slightly. And then I feel like I'm coming back, finding my way back to understanding what that means for me. And going to school has been really helpful for me to get a better grasp on the lay of the land and have a deeper understanding of where we're at. Would you ever do a, would you ever come back to the DC universe or would you do Marvel?

Would you do a Marvel movie? Would you do a DC movie? Would you come back on a show like Arrow and play a character? Is it something that you don't really think about? is it something that you would consider or is it you know how do you feel about that well we could ask that question a lot right yeah i get asked that all the time yeah so i would never i mean it would depend what it was obviously but i'm not like immediately opposed to it do i struggle a little bit with how much marvel's taken like taken hold of the

a cinematic world. I do a little bit. Yeah. But, you know, people have fun and they love it. And I think, I guess, that's what's what matters. So, but yeah, I wouldn't say no to something like that. I'd want to know what it is. I couldn't say yes or no until I knew what it was.

What's a character that you would like to play? What's a character, the kind of character, if you were going to be a superhero? What would it be? Could I not be a superhero? Okay. What about a villain? Yeah, I'd be a villain. Okay. Would you rather be Lex Luthor than Clark Kent?

Yes, I would. I would. As an actor, that would be really fun. You had a really fun role. I've always thought that the villainous roles were really fun. More complex. There's a little more freedom. Yeah, I always felt like you thought, oh, Lana, Lana, what is she moping about this time? Like, you always felt like I want her to be strong and I want her to be this. And, you know, it took a long time for that to sort of evolve. It did. And I loved it when it did. It was really, but I think as an actor, like, that's what's fun, is being able to play, like, secrets and hide stuff and manipulate and not present exactly what you're feeling. That's what's fun in acting is kind of all of those layers. Yeah, I'd like to see you as a dark character, someone that's just kind of vicious, vicious and conniving and just so out of character. that would, I mean, have you gotten to play something similar to that? Because you've played some great characters, but have you ever gotten to do something where you dive in and play something really dark that's against everything you know? Morals, et cetera.

I mean, broadly, Smallville gave me a few opportunities like that, but they were so broad. They were really kind of arch, you know, not kind of nuanced looks at that. I think with Joanna, which is the role that I played on, Burden of Truth, She's obviously not an evil person, but there were things she did that were morally questionable. And she stepped up to the line on a lot of wanting to get revenge or trying to destroy somebody's life or whatever it is. So she was constantly kind of pressing up against that line. And I found that interesting. And I guess that's villainous behavior in some ways, the morally questionable gray areas that people.

flirt with or justify moving into would you play if a producer of college and said Kristen I need you to gain about 25 pounds 20 pounds and play a character like that would be for me yeah I don't know either but I'm just saying like a Charlese the Ron

kind of character and monster oh yeah absolutely I would love that you would love that yeah you would just stop working out stop your 150 minutes of cardio there are some like it would be fun but I also think that it's not great on people,

actors' bodies to gain a ton and to lose a ton that's like really unhealthy generally. But I mean, if it was something great, yeah. Actually, it's funny, I was watching, last night we were doing a contemporary Jane Austen movies. Okay. Which is basically just Bridget Jones and Clueless. So we were watching Bridget Jones.

And I was like, she's, It was like thin in this movie. Like, I don't understand. And Renee Zubler, I think, gained, you know, a good 20 pounds for that role. She was tiny in it. It was crazy. It's a slight detour. I made a slight detour.

But you wanted her to be bigger. Yes. In the book, she's bigger. I never read the book. But from what I understand, she's supposed to be chubby. And I didn't think she was chubby at all. So you're willing to be chubby. You're willing to be chubby.

You would be chubby. you would do anything if you love the role. Yeah, if it was healthy. I would never want to hurt myself for a while. I'm not that committed. Because there's some roles, there's like that guy on Walking Dead, they say he would, you know, he did, I'm not going to say his name,

but like, you know, he didn't shower a lot. He smelled on set. He wanted to be that kind of character. Could you see yourself doing that? What's the point? Isn't that what makeup's for? Tush! Tush!

That's, I think, I get it. if an actor, if that's their process, I commend you. I am not that committed. I will never be that committed. But I love that people are that committed. Sometimes it's tough to work with, but I just, if that's how you get the results and I get to watch an incredible performance, you do you as long as it's not harming anyone else. I would love to one day, like, I don't know, either cast you or see someone cast you as a role that's just completely added character for you, that you just, I think you'd be really good

and I think you would dive in pretty hard. It would be fun. I'd be great. I'd like to blacken your front teeth out, give you that Georgian accent, maybe a gimp eye, maybe one eye that kind of dragged, you know,

just slightly off. Sure. Just completely affect the way you look. It wouldn't be easy. It wouldn't be easy because you're a pretty girl, pretty woman. I could say that because you're my friend. This is shit talking with,

Kristen Krook, these are questions for my lovely patrons. If you guys want to join Patreon, go to patreon.com slash inside of you. These are people that want to ask you some questions. So you could answer them if you'd like. Okay. All right. You're doing great. This is great.

You know, when we first talked, you're like, I'm boring. I really have nothing to say. I don't know what you're going to talk about. But we find something to talk about. I don't know if anyone else will find it interesting. I think so. I love talking to you. It's like the only time I really get to talk to you unless we see each other at a con or something.

I'd love to actually have dinner with you one night when we're in the same town and really catch up and just like, you know, it's been a while. Are you going to Mexico? I might. Okay. I might go to Mexico. You're going to Mexico. Yeah, unless COVID goes crazy. Right.

Are you going to Australia? No, I don't know. You should go to Australia. I think you'd have a wonderful time. It's really fun. I don't know if I'll invite me to Australia. Well, let me see what I can do. I know the people.

I know the people. Stephia A. I think it's Stefa. With Burden of Truth finished, do you have any plans or any projects in the works or would you rather take a break for a while? Good question. I have a project in development right now

that I'm working on with Peter Mooney from Burton and Eric, my guy. So we've got something in development very early stages, which is really fun. I'm liking that. And then I'm really pushing to try and graduate. I'd like to graduate and be done with this. So I'm getting close to that. Hopefully I just have one more semester.

If not, then it'll be that I'll be done after this. Is school expensive? Yeah. It's not cheap. What does school cost? Like for a semester? It depends how many credit. It's basically by credit.

You're paying for it by credit. Were you doing burden while you're going to school? I tried. I can't do classes while I'm working. It's too much work. My brain can't. I've tried. I just, it's like when I come home and I have to study and I don't have a whole ton of turnaround and I can't. Right. But yeah, it's not, it's not, it's not cheap. Yeah. Did you mostly do virtual because of the pandemic? The whole thing was virtual. The whole thing was virtual. Did you like that or do you like to be in class? No, I love it. Do you know how young people are in their bachelor's degrees of my book? they're 19 I am an elderly lady you are not compared to 18 I am but I think you know

well whatever I understand I see that I hear you would you want to sit down and like have discussions with your gray hair and not yours I don't have a gray hair do you know it would be more embarrassing

what cheating off one of these kids cheating being a 49 year old and having to cheat off some 18 year old who's in cotton like hey dude can I borrow your notes bro like dude you're like 50 are you serious I'm like yeah fuck I want to cheat man I need to cheat I need to get through this class bro I want a degree in kinesiology um little Lisa what was one of the hardest scenes you had to do on smallville that could be anything that could be like you were embarrassed to do it

or it was like oh my god I can't believe I'm doing this or we had that stupid Wiches, the witches. That one was stupid, but the vampire episode. I got in so many fights with Greg Beeman about that episode. That one, that one was really hard for me to do. It just felt super gratuitous, and no one would listen to me about it. So I had to fight my way through that one. What about physically?

Has there ever been a role that's just so physical, that you're just so exhausted. Michael, I played Chub Lee. That's true. Was that absolutely exhausting? Yeah, we worked. It was Thailand, so we worked six days a week, once I worked 13 days straight. And it was mostly nights, and it was all fight sequences.

I was tired, but I had a lot of fun. By the way, do you think you could do it now? No. Really? Why is that? Hmm? Because when you're. younger you just have more energy more working working if i had enough turnaround and i had a weekend

maybe yeah but it was demanding it was taxing did you ever get injured yeah because i was practicing the sword sequence and i'm not used to swords and they're really heavy and so my wrist i woke up one day and my wrist was like like fully swollen and i just had to but that's the only injury i got on that production and i did crazy stuff i jumped off of things with like on wires from what are they called the cranes in the harbor just flying through the air I did tons of fight sequences

I had it I had it I had blast yeah so you had fun doing that would you do it again you would do something again if it was the right schedule was the right part you would love to be more physical

so much fun and I'm pretty I'm pretty good at it like I'm not I know you're a gymnast you were an amazing I was a gymnast yes you were an amazing gymradi so are you like can fight.

Can you just still do some karate kicks? I think you've given me a karate kick before. Yeah, I can do it. My hips aren't or I don't do a ton of stunt work anymore. Like when I was on Beauty and the Beast, I was fighting all the time. So I was used to stuff. I have to train a little bit to get my, my full range mobility back. But yeah.

Dave P. What are you looking forward to most in 2022? graduating from university. That's what you're looking forward. I'm moving back to Vancouver. What's the first thing you're going to do when you go back to Vancouver besides see your parents and your family? What's the one place you want to go to in Vancouver that you miss? I want to go hiking.

Where? Well, don't say. Maybe you shouldn't say. No, I like going to, I don't know. There's a mountain that's very famous in Squamish. That's great for hiking. It's beautiful. That's what I'd like to do.

And go to the beach. Lots of going to the beach. There's no beach here. And see Tina. Tiole. And see Tina? We'll hang out and we'll go to the little Spanish tapas place that's near her house and we'll have delicious food and drink wine.

I love it. Danny, I enjoy Kristen's book recommendations. Is there a favorite book that she would like to adapt for TV or film? Adapt. I have to check because I never remember what I've read. Oh, ah, I wonder if they're doing it. Have you read Ishigurus? No, you haven't.

But for the people who have read Clara and the sun, it is so beautiful. My mom, please. I've returned. This baby. It came out this year. It was really popular. Clara and the Sun.

Yeah. And I'd be really curious to see this in a film, I think. That's a big book. How many pages is that book? Oh, it's not. It looks big. It's not big. It's like 300 pages.

pages. Okay. But the, it's not like, no, the margins are quite significant. Yeah. So that's a book that you would consider. I mean, yeah, this book is gorgeous. He's a, he's a beautiful writer. He wrote, never, never, never, said, never let me go, never let me go. Never let me go. Never let me go. Did you see that film, Ryan? Ryan, no, he didn't. Ray Harada. What was something that you were surprised to learn about one of your castmates? That could be any of your castmates. I'm surprised one of one of the castmates. I think originally I was surprised that Erica grew up in, like, rural Alberta in a very religious family. I didn't know that.

You talked to her. I don't remember talking about that. Yeah, she did. Really? Yeah. I'm going to have to bring that up when I talked to her again. Yeah. It's really interesting.

Yeah. I think it's interesting. It's amazing. sometimes you really just when you're on set you don't know the people you're working with you just kind of like talk to them about like surface kind of things and oh i saw this movie this weekend but like you really don't know them like i feel like i don't i mean i i we never really talked in depth too much tool with the podcast and now i get to really know a lot about you i feel like i learned a lot about you now i'm an open book though i'm an open book you were never an open

book you had to get to really know christin yes i have to trust you have to trust that's just i understand that you know you won the canadian award of distinction which which is kind of cool like did you have to give a speech i did you did were you nervous as shit i was so nervous i wrote it and it was really nervous and it was up so i didn't have to memorize it but like it was it was funny because i think bill hater was getting a special award that day and so was paul fieg and so they were the ones that were sitting like right in front of me but I was very nervous giving that speech that's an honor though how cool is that it was lovely I felt very honored I don't think I'll ever win an award of

distinction I just don't think that's an award that's going to be in my uh my uh do you have the award I do it's up there oh nice I get it but it's too high it's my people's choice awards I also won people's choice I never won a people's choice awards either look at you uh you know I know you had scoliosis as a kid do you have any more issues with that i mean i still have it it doesn't go away what is it what happens when you have scoliosis i mean do you have any kind of back it's a curvature of your spine so normally it depends how bad it is some people have to get surgery i never had to get surgery mine's like mild to moderate um mostly it's pain so i noticed it when i was you know a gymnast and my coach saw it one day could see the curve in my spine but i was getting

really bad like shooting pains down my sciatic and it was just my back was killing me so I kind of had to chill out on some of my gymnastics stuff for a while. But as an adult, it doesn't really bug me unless I'm standing. Like if I go to a museum and I'm walking around for hours and standing, it's my lower back gets sore. But mostly they always told me just stay strong and it'll be fine. So that's what I do. Solid core. I have mild scoliosis as well.

Do you? I do. Very, very mild. I have a little thing called spina bifida something, occulta. That's a slight little thing that's a slight little thing that's. there it's a slight but you know i've had you know all the shit that i've gone through but um hey christin do you uh do you you don't go to therapy do you have you ever gone to therapy i haven't i that's right i'm not judging you of these kinds of things

not that i don't think people should go to therapy i think it's great i just for you it's not something that you you know it just i've spent so much time and analyzing myself in other contexts that I just that's fair that's fair I don't I think one day I will once I find the right you know I think for me what's the most important about going therapy is that you know I could talk objectively to people but also things come out that were subconscious that I didn't know what were the major reasons behind some of my flaws or some of my insecurities or anxieties, and so things come out that you're like, oh, that's what's causing that. So there's more of an understanding of why I do the things I do and where I've been

and what I've become and evolution and all that stuff. So that's, that's kind of that's what's what kind of therapy do. Do you do like CBT? Yeah, cognitive behavioral therapy. So that's like, you know, and I just try, I'm trying the somatic therapy. Oh, interesting. I've heard about it. Yeah. It's interesting. And she, you know, she was like, the other day we're having a, it's obviously, obviously a zoom, but she said, if you put your right arm under your armpit, right hand under your left armpit, and then your other, your left arm just below your shoulder and kind of just hold yourself for a minute. It kind of calms you. And she had reasons for doing it. And I started to do it. And I really started to feel calm. It's almost like you're holding

yourself, like you're giving yourself a hug. It's weird. But like I just started this so I can't really talk in depth about it but somatic therapy um yeah there's so many there are so many options therapy wise having studied a bunch of like entry level psych at this point there's just there's just so much you can do yeah was there anything else that you anything coming up or anything that i should know about that i haven't mentioned no i don't think so i think you're pretty much well i'm i love that you talk to me and you're always so open you can could easily say, you know, I don't want to do it. And I would understand. But, you know, it's like, I don't, you know, it's like every year, I'm like, I got to catch up with you. But I really,

I really enjoyed this. And I really, uh, I thought it wasn't boring at all. I hope people feel the same way. I don't think you're a boring person. I think you are, like Tom said, a little bit of a mystery. I think you'll always be sort of a mystery. And I wish I was a mystery, but I'm not. I'm really, I'm not a mystery once you know me. It just takes time. And I don't see. you guys enough for it to be especially like tom i've hardly talked to tom like ever in the span of our many years of working together we haven't had a ton of conversations well one thing's for sure we both really like you we both really yeah genuinely like you and it's nice to have worked with someone for so long and even though there's some distance and we haven't seen each other a lot to still you know

care for someone and and appreciate them for who they are and respect them and that's uh that's that's what we have for you. So I especially. So thanks for talking me again today. Thanks, Michael. Yes, this was great. Are you off to go play now? No, we're going to do some ads for the show because the ads keep us afloat. But are you going to Disney World? Oh yeah. I'm going to be going to Disney World soon with some friends and you know I like to be a kid and go on rides and just forget who I am for a few days. So that will be nice and I got a Christmas tree, but it's dying. I don't know why it's dying. I water it. How long ago did you get it?

And then my, well, probably 10 days ago. Then my grandmother's like, why do you have a Christmas tree? You're a Jew. I'm like, I'm not really practicing. And I think Christmas is cool. I like Christmas trees. Why the fuck can't I have a Christmas? She goes, I don't care what you do.

You could have a Christmas tree. So anyway, I love you, girl. Thank you so much for coming on again. Thank you. Thank you. All right. I'll talk to you later. Have fun.

Bye. Ryan, say goodbye to Kristen. Bye, Kristen. I mean, there's not a sweeter person. There really isn't. You got lucky with that co-star. I mean, yeah. She could have been, like, think about it.

She could have been a pain in the ass. I was the pain in the ass. She was just delightful. She's always delightful. I love having her on. People are interested. People love her. They do.

So, Kristen, if you're still listening, which you probably won't listen to this podcast. I love you. and I appreciate you, and you're coming back next year. So get ready. Thank you guys. Again, if you want to get anything from the inside of you online store, go there. New lunchbox is signed by Tom Willing and myself, some of all the lunchboxes, a bunch of other

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Yeah, you did. You were shocked inside. Yeah, I was worried about me. Yeah, I was worried about you for a second. Yeah, I'm good. Is it weird that I got worried about the next guest who's going to wear those headphones? I'm wearing my same headphones. Okay. It's all me. I just, I generate a lot of static electricity, especially these days. It's so hot in L.A. right now and I just cannot stop shocking myself. Oh, what are you going to do? What are you going to do, buddy? I got to stop listening to Shock Jock Radio.

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This is always a treat for me, having these guests open up about their lives. Spread the word. If you like it, you know, just get the word out. There's so many podcasts to listen to, Ryan. There's so many podcasts that, you know, I'm just blessed that people are still listening to mine. Hopefully they find it interesting and they get to learn about people.

It's not just Hollywood bullshit. It's real stuff, hopefully, and, you know, real people. And that's all you can hope for. And a little bit of Hollywood bullshit. A little Hollywood bullshit. But, like, ultimately, it's just about a candid open conversation about, like, hey, man, you know, what's going on with you? What happened to you? Where are you?

What happened to you? What happened to you? It is a lot of that. It is. But I hope it doesn't get old and I hope you stick with me. and I really appreciate it. Thank you for allowing me to be inside of each and every one of you. I hope your week is beautiful.

I'll see you next week. Ryan from the Hollywood Hills in California. I'm Ryan and I'm Michael Rosenbaum. A little wave for the camera. We love you. And thank you for allowing me to be inside of each and every one of you, like I said. And I'll talk to you before you know it, right, Ryan? We'll talk again.

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