Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Smallville’s Laura Vandervoort: Gut Check & NXIVM

Episode Date: June 22, 2021

Laura Vandervoort (Smallville, Handmaid’s Tale) returns to the show this week to explore ideas of following your gut, not comparing yourself to others, and finding happiness through passion. Later in the show we both discuss our thoughts and emotions on the Alison Mack NXIVM situation as the documentary The VOW has been released and sentencing has commenced. We also talk about her troubling situation walking off an HBO show set, the differences in experiences working on Supergirl and Smallville, and how she gets herself to a dark place to prepare for dramatic roles. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Ryan's feisty. Here it comes. The segment, mental health checking. How you doing? How you doing? How are you, Ryan? Oh, I'm all right. I went on a run and that helped

Oh good, you're starting to do things Yeah It's not that you're not doing things You're constantly working But it's doing things for yourself Yeah, the odd thing I have a friend who's in town Is that stressful?

No, that's a good thing Oh, you get out of the house I get out of the house And actually and play music This is my friend of I've known since high school We play music together You play music together

Oh yeah, you did an album with him Yeah Yeah, I like that You could listen to that Tell them where to get that You go to, we're called Matacanes Spell it M-A-C-A-N-E-S

Yeah take a listen it's really good there's one song in particular i liked it on spotify what's the song i like probably suckered in suckered in yeah that's the one i wrote yep there you go um take a listen ryan's a talented talented guy and uh he's not only talented at uh editing but uh a lot of other things singing acting loving living do do do divin loving the did it dan watch we're going to get like uh yelled out by that's not long enough or good enough um thank you for listening guys um Um, very special guests on the podcast today. If you're here for Laura, I really encourage you to support the podcast because we have

so many great guests and I really think you're going to like it. If you do, please subscribe. Please subscribe on YouTube. Um, if you're watching it, or if you want to listen on Apple or Stitcher or Spotify, it means the world to me and I really believe you're going to like it. Um, so if you're here for Laura, I hope you'll stick around, maybe even write a review, but, uh, I won't get my hopes up, but, uh, also the handles. Ryan, what are the handles on the social?

They are at inside of you pod on Twitter, at inside of you podcast on Facebook and Instagram. Yeah, that's exactly right. And I read this last week, but, you know, I just like this quote. I don't need to get into it. But you can't wait until life isn't hard anymore before you decide to be happy. You can't wait until life isn't hard anymore before you decide to be happy. I want you to think about that because I thought about it and it makes a lot of sense. So you take with it what you will.

Laura really opened up today she opened up last time but this time is different because we get to see her on video so you get to watch the beautiful Laura and she was very articulate she was open, honest and forthcoming and all that stuff and I really appreciated this interview so let's not even wait around

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It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. You were on here about a while ago. About a while ago, yeah. Two years ago, I think I had you on. We just did audio. You okay over there?

You're adjusting? I'm fine You are Yes First of all Put me in a corner I know you're all Well nobody puts a baby in the corner

Guys you know what that's from I hope you know what that's from You shouldn't be listening this podcast If you don't know that's from It's from Dirty dancing That's right Took me second

Do you notice I know you're a big horror fan like me And that's why we get along so well Did you notice all the posters Are horror? Of course Which movies have you seen Have you seen Fright Night Evil Dead

I don't I haven't seen a lot of the like More classic ones I'm gonna have to write you a little Yeah, I feel like you did at one point. Obviously, Dracula, yes. Aliens, the thing, yes. Okay.

Return of the Living Dead. Return of the Living Dead? No. Okay. Not super into the zombie. Do you like the psychological thriller? Yeah. You like that.

Which is one that I just shot. What was it called? Black. Okay, first of all, I say bag. I'm Canadian. Big, like a bag. Bag. It's called Black Bag.

Not Black Bag. Right. But I have to say that word in every scene. So they tell you, hey, you said beg again? No, I'm just consciously, like, before I say the word, say bad, bad bag. But you didn't for this interview. That's what you said big. No, because it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. My podcast doesn't matter. So you did a horror movie. It's a psychological thriller. Thriller, yeah. And it's a little indie. I remember talking to you about this. So it's great because you do these projects like Handmaid's Tale and, you know, Supergirl and all

these guest stars and whatever, blah, blah, blah, but you make a little money. But on the independent films, you probably don't make much money. None, none whatsoever, but... Well, you make something. They have to pay you. Right. Enough to get by and pay your bills. Yeah, the per diem also helps, but...

What do you get for per diem? $150 a day? $65. Yeah, it's pretty good. Well, not on your days off because $65 to eat. No, but I'll take it. I'm trying to build a fence, so... You're trying to build a fence at your house.

Yeah, I just got my first house, but... Is this a good movie? Because let me tell you something. I am horrified, for lack of a better word, because I've been watching a lot of horror movies and you could see some of my tweets. I did a tweet that's a dear... horror. Where are you? What happened to you? Well, this isn't horror. This is like, this is a thriller. This is about two women whose lives kind of collide due to unforeseen circumstances and all. I can give

anything away. It's, it's an indie film. The script was great. And I haven't seen two female leads in a while that have written, have been written so well. I mean, this. Was it written by a woman? I was originally written by a man, rewritten by a woman. Ah, go figure, right? There you go. Angela. Yeah. And It's a, like, this is the first time I've done a film where it's basically a play. I mean, I was doing 12 pages a day, just like monologues. Are you, so you're good with dialogue now. I mean, you've always been pretty good with it. Yeah.

If it's well written, it's, it's completely easy to memorize, right? It just flows, but it's the ones that aren't that are trouble. You also, my dog, Erv, passed, as you know, and it was very, I want to say, thank you because you sent me a nice message and it was really sweet. And it was, I loved her. I know. You made me a t-shirt with Earth's face on it once. I did.

Remember that? Yes. So that was very kind. You know, Ryan. You look scared. Ryan's never on the air. I'm looking at them on the air. You know, she's Canadian.

Can you give me three Canadian words? Tuk. Correct. It's a hat. It's a beanie. Poteen. It's not really a Canadian word. Poutine.

That sounds provocative. You know what Poutine is. What is that? You know what that is. It's fries with gravy and cheese carts. Oh, that's called Poutine. Yeah. I've never had it.

Then there's the loony. The loony. $1 and the Tooney, which is $2. Yeah, yeah. Can you name three provinces in Canada? Did you know this was going to happen? Yeah, British Columbia, Alberta, and let's see, Saskatchewan.

Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. That's correct. Do you find it unnerving when you get a job in Canada that they hire you because they know they could pay you a lot less? Of course. When is that going to stop? They hire you for U.S. productions that are filming in Canada, and yet they pay you Canadian rates because you're from Canada.

Well, yeah. I mean, some you can get SAG deals like... Like Smallville, I was SAG. SAG. Right, so they gave you a better deal. Right. So you can try to negotiate that. But yeah, if they're looking for a tax write-off, I mean, the thing is, in Canada,

we have a lot of really talented crew and cast and writers, directors, but they, the American shows come in and take over. And then we really only get cast for small guest stars, which is fine. like we it's not fine but we all want to work and i think canadians are just like working actors we don't obviously we care about the craft but we just like to consistently work like i'll do a big show like handmaids or a movie like jigsaw or whatever and then i'll also do tiny films that feed my soul because the big ones don't you seem very um i don't know you have a good energy about you today it's not maybe maybe you're tired i don't know what it is but not that the last time

because last time was a great interview but this time you just i don't know you feel more together for maybe yeah yeah um do you think it's because my age you well you're not old don't get into age with me okay don't get into age things with guys of people that are older than you but i know you move back home you got kind of tired of the la scene kind of tired of Hollywood maybe tired of dating which we could of course talk about but you move back home you live near your folks you live near your sister yeah currently with my sister you live with your sister so what happens I just, I don't know what I would do. You just open, okay, well, first of all, I love my family, so it's, like, not a big deal.

I love my family. I was shooting a show in Toronto when the pandemic hit, and my sister has two kids and her husband, so I went to live with them because someone broke my heart. I had a really bad breakup. I lost the house in Toronto. Kind of didn't have anywhere to go, so I moved in with her for what I thought would be, like, two weeks for this weird, pandemic thing to help with the kids. Like I did homeschooling and all of that. Four months later, I was still homeschooling and luckily they got a sitter eventually, but I'm still living there. I bought a house. It's being demoed right now. Okay. So you're not going to continue.

I'm just going back for like three more months until my house is ready. I think we have similarities. I think that, you know, we like everyone out there, I hate saying this, but we all want to be happy. and sometimes it gets convoluted what we think happiness is right so we don't look at our lives we forget that we had success or have success or what we're doing and we're you know all these great things that are happening in our life and we the attention is um gets kind of put in a place where we're focusing on other people's success and we're comparing it to ours and then it looks as though like even like your sister she has two kids she's married and I know you so I know you think that's success that's happiness why can't I have that

right we look at other people I have friends that are married and have kids and going to school and I you know I'm sometimes alone and I'm like you know wow I'm 48 years old and do you ever I mean you're not as old as I am but do you think sometimes you're chasing the wrong things that you think suddenly that the same things that you're after no matter because we're insatiable we get a job and we feel good for I got a job I'm acting and I'm acting and then that kind of it goes away yeah so it's not sustainable so maybe what my grandmother and other people have been trying to tell me for a long time is have a family you can still do all the other things but it fills the void in between so do you think that your sister do you look up to her like god I wish I had your life um I there's portions of it

she's gonna laugh um well Sarah's a she's a great woman she's a great mom she's a badass like right now she's handling my renaos basically for me she's got a job two kids a husband like I can't keep up with her everything is scheduled everything is organized I admire that I and and she's so fucking smart I am not that kind of smart I do this to myself all the time Ryan knows it I constantly say I'm just not that smart I'm not that people write to me constantly like yeah like you know the street smart there's book smart there's common sense smart I don't know where I lie I don't I don't know where you lie either. You're probably a little of everything.

Ryan, how would you describe me? What kind of smart? Yeah, what kind of smart am I? You're like, oh, God. Oh, great. I don't have a good way. I feel like he's like street smart, but also, I wouldn't say book smart. I think you're just intellectually.

You're not an idiot. No. I think you use the skills you have and use them wisely. I know how to use my skills to the best of their abilities. Yeah. You've parlayed what you're good at into. I'm not going to nominate you for Jeopardy, but I'm also not going to... I do all right in jeopardy.

I'm also not going to take you to like, you know, to a drug deal either. You're like somewhere in between the street smart and you're medium smart. A medium smart. You're medium smart. I think a lot of us are medium smart. I think that's okay. I think you're smarter than that. I think Ryan's naturally, I think Ryan's caught a lot of common sense and that this isn't about him.

No. But happiness is like, that's what I'm always wondering. I'm always thinking, am I doing everything wrong and how long am I going to chase this? Because, you know, I've talked to people who don't get started chasing fame because that's a dead end road. Yeah. Don't start chasing fame and start changing. I need more followers because you look online sometimes and you're like, I just, yeah, it's never enough, right?

You look online, you're like, I just made the funniest video and I got 15,000 views or whatever the fuck it is, right? You know what? This all means nothing in the real world. Of course it means that. You can't die with those views. No, no, no, I agree. It doesn't leave a legacy.

A family does. Of course, of course. But what I'm saying is I look at that and then all of a sudden I saw, I see somebody who has like three million followers and 300,000 people like the pose of them doing a yoga pose. Like 300,000 people like this fucking yoga pose. You got to know your fan base. No, it's not that. It's like, I don't have that as many fans.

So what I'm saying is you start to compare. I'm like, what are you doing? You made 15,000 people happy with your post. what are you what are you comparing yourself that's what I do a lot I compare and I always talk about don't compare but I think we compare ourselves and we're like if we just were in the moment do you do that which part and why are you yelling well do you do you tend to post something and then go oh look I got this many likes I got this money I'm I'm I'm human I'm in an industry where the social media is necessary in fact I just worked with an actress who

makes a lovely profit on, you know, catering her social media to branding and she was teaching me a little bit. For me, it's a tool. Of course, there's days where you're feeling like shit about yourself and you're like, no, you know, you look at your posts and how many people commented and what's negative. But I really just try to view it as a business. I use it as a tool to promote my work to talk about products I like to talk about eco-friendly. Does it make you happy though? Do you see a rise in happiness when tons of people like it and then all of a sudden no one likes it so you're like oh it's placebo of course which is why i wrote my film which is about that really what's it called uh my soul to take it's the one i directed oh yeah so you're doing a lot of stuff now do you

tend to do a lot of stuff because you really love doing it you want to do it or do you think there's part of it that you want to prove yourself 100% both 100% both yeah as a woman um I've been acting since I was 12. I've always been an actress. I don't think I'm a stellar actress. I think I'm a working actor. And so I want to show that I can do other things. So there's definitely a prove yourself part to writing and directing and I've been producing.

But also I really enjoyed it. Like I enjoy the control. My soul to take looks beautiful. I had crew from like, I'll send you a link from Canada. My composer was stellar. Like it was a lot of women. But you just said something a few minutes ago. you said, I don't think of myself as a stellar actress.

Is that true? Do you look at yourself and say, I know what I'm good at? I think I'm good. I think you're good. I think I'm good. Do you know you're good? And I'm getting better. Yeah, yeah.

But you don't think you're great. You don't think you're stellar. No, I think I'm good. That's hard to say. That's hard to somebody said, are you a great actor? I'm not going to compare myself to, you know, Merrow's dream. I think I'm a working actor who can do a good job. Right.

You know, that's why I get cast in shows that I do because I can bring it and leave and, you know, like handmaids. I haven't seen that yet, but I hear that you have, it's a fantastic role. Can I spoil it? Yeah, I mean. If you haven't watched it, just, you know, just mute the next few minutes. But supposedly you poison all these men while they're having this big party and you just kill them all. All the commanders. Yeah.

My friend Alex, who listens to the podcast, said she's really. great in it. Thanks. Yeah. I said that. I think just an aside, as I'm getting older, I'm like sitting into things more and I'm finding it much quicker, you know, back on Smallville, be like, give me the tear stick. I need like an hour. I need to look at videos of dogs being put down. Like I need to do that. And now it's like, okay, just let me know when we're rolling. Give me a minute. And then like I know where it is now. Right. I feel comfortable in it. I'm like, I've experienced life for 36 years and I want to share this. I'm always on edge.

I feel like I'm always, I have, like my whole life's been, I have to be great. I have to be great at this. I have to come through. I have to show them that I'm great. I can't, I have to know my lines and said, I have to do this. You know, and that drives me up a wall where I wish I could sit there and say, I've settled into myself. I'm fine.

I'm fine. I can just do this. I know what I'm doing. It's not that I don't know what I'm doing. But I second-guess myself a lot. I think that's normal. Like, I still do that. The project I just did was an indie film.

So I felt very comfortable to explore. Like, there wasn't really a clock ticking. We would do three takes, and I'd say to the director, if you get what you want, and you have time, give me one and just tell me to play. And when I got to play, I fucking did things that I would never have been comfortable with when I knew they might use the take. Like, this was like, oh, it's a throwaway take. I'm going to do this now. Like I change, I lay down, I get on the floor, I do weird shit. And then it turns out being great because I knew I'd done my job.

I knew the lines. And now I can play. When you get a role, are you immediately nervous? Yeah. I'm like, why did they cast me? They're going to fire me. I'm terrible. I hear that a lot from a lot of actors.

And then you settle in once you learn the lines. You start to get into it. Got to get a couple days in. Right. So give yourself a couple days to just like, oh, you're going to be nervous. You're going to be this. And then you'll start to get into it. That's sort of the thing.

Also, that project I was talking about. I was replacing an actress four days before production was starting with ourselves. That's hard. So there's that, oh, a second choice thing. I've been, listen to me. I've made my career being someone's second choice. I have, they have recast using me in many a role.

And they're like, you know what? Rosenbaum's probably available. Let's get him to do it. I don't mind it. I think I got frustrated in my ego, definitely was up there with you know I should be getting bigger roles this is really that's the way I thought yeah come on just watch some of my shit do I really need to audition

for this come on watch you get cocky in my head yeah and I tell my age and I go send them the real what the fuck I mean I send them the scene what can I do and then I realize no matter who you are no matter what you're doing you got to prove yourself and unless you're De Niro I realized that years ago and then that you know I kind of it makes you a little bit more what's the word Ryan it makes you feel it makes you well it's definitely definitely more humble yes it's it's humbling to think hey who the fuck are you dude yeah you did some good work this some great work but you know what if you want to do more great work you're gonna have to fucking bust your ass for it like everybody else does and that's what I did realize right and also just keeping those muscles active like

doing these indie films that feel good you know for your soul and trying new things out I mean For Handmaids, I booked it. I had to do three auditions. And I was two days out from my days on, starting my days onset, pandemic hit. I waited seven months with all those scenes in my head with Elizabeth, freaking the fuck out for seven months running the scenes. Yeah, yeah. And then you killed it.

That's what I'm hearing, but I was petrified. You watched it? I can't watch. But you watched yourself in Handmaids. I can't watch all of it. I just go through. How are you? How did you like yourself? I thought I did a good job.

But I was Elizabeth. I was terrified. She's amazing. See, I never understood that, like, guest stars. That is the hardest fucking thing. I've never had to really experience that. You're the new kid in school. I don't know if I could deal with just coming on a set.

And everybody's like, this fucker, I hope he's fucking knows a lot. And I'm just, it's in my head. I'm like, fucking, I just want to, you know what I mean? and then you have to just end action. Can we replace them? Is Rosenbaum available? Inside of you is brought to you by Quince. I love Quince, Ryan.

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when you were a guest star and you felt like they were just a little condescending? You're like, oh, you're the pretty guest star. Fuck you. Yeah. Yeah. You definitely have felt that. And it wasn't just you feeling that or thinking like it was, you felt that was what I'm saying.

Yeah. And it wasn't exactly that way. It was a show where the lead I don't think wanted me there. So we did all of her coverage. And then when they turned around on me, she told me her stand and was going to do her lines. She was going to go home. So it wasn't like, it was like a respect thing.

It was like a, I'm not going to say. I know you're not going to say. It was worth a shot. Yeah. Jeez. Can you imagine? But I've had other bad, you know, I did an HBO show that I left.

I didn't go back. And they apologized for what had happened. What happened? A little me too stuff. Really? And yeah, I didn't return. And I was like, oh, God, they're never going to, HBO is never going to work with me again. And it was just that particular set.

Did you say it? Did you mention it on social media? Mention it. No. It wasn't like a direct, direct thing. It was, it was, anyway. Something made you uncomfortable. Yes.

Very uncomfortable. Yes. And you said, I'm not coming back. I don't feel safe. I went to my hotel room that night and called my agent and I was shaking. But again, it wasn't a direct thing. It was the environment of the show and what they were doing, especially with like sudden rewrites where you're doing something that wasn't scripted.

It was not appropriate. Right. But it wasn't HBO. It was that environment. Whomever was running the show was allowing that. Right. So I've had different. situations when you go on a show like supergirl right if you go on a show on supergirl and you

played supergirl that's got to be a weird thing to say okay i'm going to be a guest star on a show called supergirl when i was supergirl in smallville and then was that was that a fun experience yep it was yeah okay so we don't want to talk about this we don't want to talk about this because i talked to Erica Durantz who was on there and you know um she said it was fine it was fine were the people nice some of them yeah some of them were really nice yeah yeah made you feel nice yeah and some of them didn't some of them didn't the the character was fun I was blue and I was a villain and it was very different I'm parlaying I'm just like pivoting you could do it you could do it you were blue it was blue all right it's it's got to be like I don't think I could do it like

for instance if there was a show called Lex Luther and then they said hey we want you to come in to play a character i don't know i don't know if i'd feel i it depends my ego would say i there's only one there's only one fucking lex luther that's what my ego would say if it was a good enough role maybe i would think differently but if i got on set and i was people were acting a little weird to me or something and it's always different for guys guys have a lot easier. Women don't. Women, it's not easy. It's not easy. Always having to look great and always having to be thin and always having to, you know, it's all about your looks and, you know, guys could grow a beard and go, oh, I think I've got an audition. Have you had four beers?

No one gives a shit. I hate shaving my beard, but I have to do it all the time. I hate shaving my beard. I have a new segment I'm calling. It's called, how you doing? This is a mental health check in just how you doing and it could be anything so laura how you doing that's such a broad question well ultimately how you feeling how you're for instance ryan how you doing doing okay i'm writing notes that's not really what i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm doing well um in a much better place than the last time i was here yeah i just started listening to my gut and changes everything listening to your gut your gut always knows doesn't it it does and you always think oh no i think you're wrong how often do we date someone and your gut says get out

yeah but you say there's just this attraction and maybe my gut's wrong and i'm just like what i and you end up right where you knew you'd end up yeah five years yep i'm sorry was that not a personal story huh you but were you so you do you do you do you but do you have a propensity to, I like this word, to date actors, mostly date actors, don't you? Um, people in the industry, yeah. Would you rather not? Why do you do that?

I don't want to date any more actors. Excuse you. Excuse me. Why do you, I forgot you could hear it because of the microphones. Why do you, why do you think you do that? Why do you think? Honestly, it's just the only people that I meet. Right.

Also, I like the energy. I like personality. I like corkiness. and you don't often get that if you're going to date a banker, you know? And they don't understand the lifestyle. They don't understand the weird things that we do as actors to prepare, you know? Like, I go to dark places. What places do you go?

How dark can you get? I don't want to answer that. Well, I mean, is it one of those things where you're drinking a half a fifth of whiskey and you're listening to Mazzie Star for 40 minutes straight? And you're going, I fucking hate it. I hate it. I don't know who I have anymore. I mean, what is, what happens?

I would say like 50% that, but it's more like red wine. No, I just, I just, I just sort of separate myself from society and, like, shut off for a little bit. That's, I have my, you know, my tools. What's the go-to if you want a good cry? And we know a lot of times we want a good cry, so we do something that would provoke a good cry. Like, there's a certain song if it played that I could cry to it. Which one? fade into you by Mousy Star

That is a song That's a trigger Maybe sailing Christopher Cross I can definitely tear up on that one Is it big world by Tears for the Cheers for Fears Is it tears for Fear? Mad World Mad World, Mad World

That's one that I always listen to Before I have you seen And you can get going You know my therapist would say I think you feed into it a little bit I think you're like self-aware It's like here I go into my darkness And this is kind of cool

and it's good to feel dark and in so many words. I don't think I'm articulating it well. I understand what you're saying. Do you do that? I used to, yeah. And then I realized it was super unhealthy. It is. So now it's just like, like I said,

you have to just have a spot in you that you can go into. And it's easier. You don't have to sit in it for months, you know, while you're shooting something. My therapist also said, you know what? Listen to Massey Star fade into you. And I go, really?

She goes, yeah. Once. Listen to it once. Don't listen to it five times. You're torturing yourself. So that's why I don't date actors anymore. Why? Because they're just, they're too much.

Well, you're saying, I'm too much? Yes, yes. Yeah. Well, we dated. Yep, we did. And we're still good friends. We are. That took, it took a while.

It took a little while, but there was, I think there's more, there's an understanding, a very good understanding that we have with each other now, but also it wasn't, you know, it was, it was, it was a time, it was a nice time. We had some great times. Yeah, I just moved to L.A. and you, similar to

when we were shooting in Vancouver, you were the first person to kind of reach out and say, I got you and took me out on the town. Yeah, we both had significant others at the time. I was dating someone, you were dating someone. It was very, very, just friendly and, again, you were a guest star, and I was like, you know.

It's not a guest star. You season seven, you were, You didn't know how many times you were going to recur. I don't remember. Supergirl. Do you miss the conventions? Do you miss going to cons? I feel like the thing I dislike the most about conventions I'm still doing, which is traveling. But I do miss meeting the people.

I miss like hanging out with you guys in the green room and doing the panels and shooting you with Nerf guns. In my eye. You almost fucking took up my eye. I'm still pissed. I didn't get your eye. I got your head and you had just had neck surgery. so I shouldn't have done that. I think you got me in the eye.

Okay, well, I'm sorry. Yeah, I know you are. But other than that, like, I just did a live signing. We're starting to do these live conventions on Instagram. I did it yesterday. And people buy the items on streamily.com. Was it good? Yeah.

So streamily.com slash, hang on, I got to pitch this. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, pitch it, pitch it. Streamily.com slash Laura Vannevort. And you can buy your posters, your 8x10s. I'm going to start selling some of the paintings people saw me doing if they wanted to buy. We're going to sell some old scripts on there. But I'm going to do live signings.

I'm going to schedule them like maybe once a month. Really? Tune in and watch me sign their items and then we send it. I miss cons. I do. I miss the people. I miss there's just this mutual respect and love and a great energy. And, you know, it's nice.

It's nice to go to these places and, you know, see people that you've seen before and they're, you know, their fans. But also you feed off of energy. Yeah, that's true. I like that. I like that. For me, it's like, I can do it, but then I need recovery time. It drains.

I enjoy it, but it drains. Look, for me, by the end of these days, I'm absolutely spent. And that's because I give so much of myself that within an hour, I'm like, yay, what's going on? How are you all my game? I want everybody to feel special. And at the end of the day, you're just, you're wiped out. If you do it well, if you do it the right way, if you're just sit there and sign and don't talk to people and like,

Oh, don't ask him that or don't, he's not going to do that. Why go to these fucking cons? I mean, we've seen those actors that do that. Who's your favorite actor you've worked with that you really were like, this guy's a professional and just fun? Or girl. Or actor. Did I say what I say?

This guy. Oh, I said guy. You said actor and then this guy. It's fine. What's the actor? Actors fine for both. I mean, Elizabeth Moss just blows me away just because she's an EP and director and the lead. And I watched her like seamlessly flow.

between those roles and and graciously and humble and kind so watching her was incredible um and then joseph garden levitt i worked with when i was younger and he blew me away really yeah what about ian summerholder he's lovely yeah he seems like a lovely guy uh he was on smallville and he was uh god that guy's got a big following doesn't he i don't know who that is okay vampire diaries one of the guys you know last time we talked about um that whole thing with um you know the nexium yeah she's going on trial i think this alison she is and i remember we talked about that but i hadn't really seen nexian the the show what was it called the vow the vow there's two right the vow i hadn't seen it were you blown away when you watched it yeah i was how did you feel after

watching that sad sad yeah sad for her but also um hurt that she came for me too so were you close to doing it you think i wasn't not i mean she invited me it was that weekend i just couldn't afford to do you think you could have gone through because when you watched the first episode i i've said this before in a podcast i was like i'm in i'm fucking in these people are motivational they're here to help you they're supportive it they invite you in and if you're at all vulnerable you could easily slip inside this this world and think this is going to help me be the best i can be and unfortunately and i think that's why everybody got into it and then all this shit happens and it makes you just question everything you also wonder if while you're in it you would read how quickly you would

realize what it was yeah that's scary like it it took them a lot while. Yeah, and I wasn't close with Allison, so I struggled with my feelings about it because I had always wanted to get to know her when we were shooting. Yeah. And then the one time she did reach out to me years after Smallville was for that. So it was kind of a weird. I felt for her. God, I just moved to L.A. because she found out I had just moved. So it was 2010, 11? Yeah. I don't know. And was it a big cell? Was it like a... No, it was a very soft sell.

Like in terms of, oh, she said, you know, you come and join us. And we'll do books and it's a women's group and it's this much money. And you thought about it. I thought about it. I also thought it sounded odd. I was like, there's something weird here because she's never talked to me before, you know? She really never talked to you on the set? She would, in passing, like, we never really had scenes together.

She was pleasant to you, but not overtly. Yeah. She didn't need to be. We never worked together. or I never spent time, which is why it was odd when she reached out. How did you feel about it? I think I was just in denial with Tom. We were just like, no, I really didn't pay attention to it for a while until it was in

everyone's face around the news. I mean, you knew her well, so. Well, I didn't know her well. I was on set with her. We did scenes together. I directed her. She was always sweet. She was always, always knew her lines, always gave her 100%.

It was a joy to work with. you never think in a million years that that would happen. And you go back, though, and you look back and you're like, huh, like, you saw that she needed attention. But I'm like, okay, I need attention. You need attention. We all need attention. But I don't know what she was. I didn't know her well enough because it was obvious that she needed something.

She needed something else. And I don't think it was what it ended up being. I think she just thought, I need some, I want to be loved. I want to be in a group that I feel comfortable with. Yeah, she didn't go into knowing. I want to be the best I can be. she didn't go in knowing of course not so you can't alter for that i think she just got lost it's kind of like a breakup in that you think you know someone and then you find out they cheated and then

you go back moment by moment trying to figure out where things were starting to unravel so for her when you say you were going back thinking about her own set over the years it's it's that's the same thing yeah do you are your parents the kind of folks that give you a call after they saw you in something and say you were just great we loved you do you get that from both your mom and dad um my dad communicates through my mom i.e my mom takes you know the electronic device and text me my dad's not much of a text her so your mom doesn't call you and say we saw handmade's tail yeah she will it's it's oftentimes just like a WhatsApp um and then when I see her in person she'll say it as well oh so she does she gets she commends you she they've been support like that I started when I was 12

I was 12. She was along the journey with me. So for her now, she still wants to read scripts, and I send her them. I took this project. Do you want to read it? Yeah. And she reads it. Does she give any notes?

Yeah, she'll give notes on things I write as well. She likes to help correct grammar. And your dad doesn't get too involved. No, my dad's, my dad, he's very supportive. They both are, but my dad's more stand off with that stuff, I guess. What about when you, you know, things like if you're, what's the word, unclothed, or like, for instance, you did a PETA thing years ago. Yeah, we don't need to talk. No, but you were like, you know, you did it because it was, you know, trying to help raise money for animals and things like that.

We get it. And you did it and it was just kind of a, but was he bothered by like, you know, I didn't like that you weren't wearing these clothes or. We just didn't talk about it. You never talked about it. No, my mom, I don't know if he ever saw it. They knew I was doing it. my mom saw it um but no i never talked about it if there's projects that they want to watch that i'm in and there's like an inappropriate thing i'll just say just be aware now if you ever

had to show your bosoms this took a turn no it didn't if you ever had to show like something if i had to show my wang chung you know if i had to show something we're on howard stern now would you would you no we're not on howard stern would you i'm just saying would you tell your parents well yeah I would tell them you would I would tell my mom who would then eventually pass it on and my dad so I don't have to directly tell him

but I also don't do those roles well I mean look if somebody asked me if it was Spielberg had a role and he's like listen we're going to see your schnitzel and you know I would probably say hey mom and dad I don't want you to see this movie because I really feel uncomfortable if you saw me my wiener

because if there's one thing that Stephen Spielberg is known for is that asking his actors to shuffle drop troward I'm just wondering how you tell your parents like for me i would be like oh my god i want them to see this yeah you just tell them don't don't watch it even if it's a little provocative like i've had some sex scenes in smallville that i i think got a little heated i don't know if they cut it i remember saying don't watch this episode right not that they did but i but i felt uncomfortable i feel kind of you know my family's kind of weird like that i don't feel comfortable kissing someone in front of them of

Of course. I wouldn't have a cigarette in front of my parents. Maybe my mom. Right. Do your parents, do you smoke in front of your parents? You vape? Do they know you vape? They know I vape.

Are you trying to stop that? Yes. It's bad. It is bad. But it's better than smoking. Some would say, I don't know. Yes. Ever wonder how dark the world can really get?

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But let's talk about, um, let's talk about COVID and the pandemic and how you did as an extroverted person who likes to have friends around all the time. Was that really tough for you? I was thinking about that. You know what I did? I ordered a ton of food from the grocery store. I loaded up the refrigerator and I took pictures of the refrigerator of all the food that was in there. And I ate a lot and I cooked a lot. Why did you take pictures of it? Because I just loved having a stocked fridge. So it was just for personal reference. Yeah, I just was like, wow, look at this. So like you'd lay in bed at night and scroll through your photos of your fridge. I got root beer and I got Sprite and I got you know I've got like all these lined up cans it was like a concession stand

it was just like all these chips and I had oranges grape fruits lemon I had so much good stuff in there that I just wanted to take a picture of all the great stuff I had that doesn't answer the question I'm thinking of what I did I watched a lot of movies what what you did I'm asking how you're doing I struggled I struggled like a lot of people and a lot of people struggled way more than I did but I definitely struggled for my mental health. It wasn't great. It wasn't great not conversing with people, not hanging out with people. But I did have my friend Rob who, he had COVID early on.

So once he got through that, I felt safe with him. And we started recording a lot of music and playing music. And that saved me. That was my savior. And a lot of darkness and things. It was very cathartic to write, you know, the album for Sunspin. I don't know if you heard the album yet. No.

But you should. I think you'd like it. We worked hard on it. I know. I mean, I know a lot happened to you during. COVID. Yeah, well, I lost my grandfather, but he was right before COVID started. So I lost Irvin on Thanksgiving right the November before. So just months before that. The last thing I did was I went with Tom Welling to Mexico to sign autographs. And that's when they were starting to

like wear masks. Don't wear masks. Don't wear masks. Rosenbaum. Why aren't you wearing a math? It was kind of like nobody knew what the hell is going on. They're going to lock down LA. I left a day early from Mexico. Boom. Jet it, jet at home. And next thing I know, I am in my home. for a week and then I go, oh, this is going to be done. And remember the conversations. Every day you'd have conversations. Oh, yeah, we'll be done with this in a month. Oh, yeah, two months.

Oh, my God. That's never ended up. And then my grandma calling me and crying and I miss my Irvy and then me. It was an emotional role. It was a lot. It was a lot. And I haven't. You still talking to a therapist?

I do. I need to see one more, but I see my therapist and, you know, I get lost. I get lost sometimes, and I feel like you just can't be helped. And then I feel like you're an idiot. Of course you can be helped. This is exactly the mentality that you cannot have. That when you're talking to people on the podcast and you're like, you know, you can get through this. This is, well, the only life we get.

It is true, man. It's like, as far as we know, this is it. We have to do whatever it takes. And if you don't take a step forward, if you don't take a walk, if you don't take a little hike, if you don't go play with your dog, if you don't do things that make you happy, you smile. If you don't do these things, yes, you are going to go down a black hole. You are going to a downward spiral. And there's no getting you out of it unless you take that first step. And so I do that, man. I find myself down low. And then one thing will trigger a response.

I'll go, wow, I did that. And I felt good. Well, why don't you do it again? Yeah. And that's what I do. Did you? How were you? So I was helping my sister with her kids. But then I went and did a project and had in Vancouver or no in Ontario we were the first production back in Ontario like a month there or whatever it is four months in to the pandemic and so I had to rent an apartment so I was separate from her and the kids and my first quarantine of 14 days this will I saw that this will be my fourth quarantine going back because Canada's still in lockdown so my first quarantine of 14 days was in a small apartment on the 20th floor in the winter. I was super depressed. And that's when I wrote my first phone. So I just was, I just leaned

into it. You did the work is what you did. You knew that this is what I have to do. I have to create something or this is going to get bad. Get worse. Get worse. Yeah. Well, I'm, I'm super proud of you if it means anything. I really always want to see you thrive. I always want to see you happy. Thank you. You too. And it just makes me, it really makes me happy when I hear that you're doing nice things and you're taking care of yourself um it's time for shit talking with laura vandervort these are fan questions my from my lovely patreon if you want to join patreon patreon patreon.com slash inside of you i'll message you after and uh it's a wonderful family and check it out patreon.com slash inside you this is from colima g which one would you rather have the ability

to understand and talk to animals or the ability to speak and understand all languages I think the ability to speak and understand all languages. I got to go with that one, Ryan. I might have to go languages too. Wouldn't it be great to just go to like, give me the Bangkok or what's what's a suburbia? Not suburbia. Serbia is a movie.

What languages do you think you're going to? I told you. I'm street smart. You can't speak English yet. No, no. What's that big frozen country? Norway. No, it's not even.

part of Russia. Oh, Siberia. Siberia. Like to go to Siberians, just start talking to someone. Or being like Vietnam or just to be able to understand everybody. That's the key to happiness in this world, man.

If we could just understand. Communication too. Communication. But also how great would it be to be able to talk to your dog? I do every day. Yeah, but to actually. Want to go to doggy park? She would go crazy.

You should go with me to Doggy Park. Leanne P. fondest memory of your time on small. allville. I want to say my first time in the harness flying. Really? Yeah. And then on like that was by myself. There was a moment where they have me on the water tower and I stand up and I do like the Supergirl thing and I felt pretty cool. Otherwise it was probably when Tom was directing and you had to get shot. That whole thing was quite an experience for me. Oh yeah. Were you directing? No, Tom was directing. He got a reaction out of you. Yeah. Squibbed. He didn't tell you.

And it was like, bam, you're like, holy shit. Yeah, he scared the shit on me. He did a, he did a couple times. Tom, you're a prick. Kelly S, this is, well, I don't know why I'm reading this one. While working on the set of small, did you have any conflicts or issues with Michael? Don't be a smart ass. No. Although I did think you were really charming and sweet and cute. Is that a conflict? Well, it was a conflict for me. Oh. It was conflicting. I remember the day you brought your girlfriend is set and my boyfriend was on set. I was like, hey. That was just like, you can be attracted to other people.

It's healthy to be in a relationship to be attracted to other people. That's just the way. That's life, man. Matt W. Was your spaceship on Smallville, CGI, or did they actually build it out of foam or something like that? My spaceship. Did I have a spaceship?

I don't know. I don't think I had a spaceship, unless I'm forgetting something. Wasn't there a ship in some barn or some factory? I'm going to say CGI. CGI. And if we were, if we had scenes in it, it was a practical. I do remember a scene with Allison and something mechanical. All right.

Might have been a shit. Was it tangible? Was it real? Can you touch it? Yeah. Okay. Little Lisa, what's been your most memorable moment at a con? Probably.

This is just something I heard at a convention. The seats were filling up for one of our panels. I don't know if you were there, heard this. And I guess two people were fighting over a, seat and someone took their pen out and poked the other guy in the eye like pocket protector pen got him in the eye just to get the seat they kick him out of the con that's not my favorite moment that's just a memorable that's an intense moment on the cat the con that's my seat i'm here to see carra it's carra right uh carra or carra um i'm sure i have more memorable

ones usually it's just like green room stuff though jeremy c i already answered this or she answered this who is your favorite actor actress to work with and she said elizabeth moss So there you go What about you? I've had so many people that I thought were great to work I just remember Clint Eastwood as a director was so sweet

made me feel so good was my first night in the garden of good and evil I just remember goes I had to cry in this one thing and they end up cutting that scene but I remember he

it was my first moment Spacey's there and John Cusack's there and I have to cry and it's after this courtroom scene and I'm sitting there and I'm just listening to Fleetwood Mac and my headphones

trying to Good choice. Think of like, you know, something sad and my grandma. And he comes over and he sits next to me and he just kind of puts his hands on his face. And he goes, pretends he's crying. He's like, oh, gosh. And I'm like, uh, what are you doing, Clint? And he goes, well, I'm just trying to make you loosen up a little bit.

And I kind of smiled. And he goes, oh, just we've got all day. Just let this happen naturally. Just, you know, when you're ready, you let me know. Aw. It's going to be great. It's amazing. And he got up and he walked away and I kind of just from there got the confidence.

And I remember looking at him about a minute later and he was behind the camera. And he gives me a thumbs up. He goes, and I go, thumbs up. There was no action said. He looked at his DP. He said, Jack. And he did that little rolling sound with his finger. And all of a sudden, everything started to go in place, the lights, the this, the camera.

Everybody was where they needed to be, where they had to be. and we went in and he pushed in on me, pushed on me, he goes, all right, well, how'd that feel? And I go, well, how did you feel? And he goes, oh, it felt great to me. And I go, is you want another one? I go, okay. We did one more. And like in the, he was just so sweet.

He goes, Michael, that was fantastic on the next takeaway, and recognize the jury a little bit. like in the courtroom scene and just like little notes little things you didn't come at me with it you know like you got to do this you got to do this one or two things gentle relaxed atmosphere i was at my best i think that's one of my one of my better performances because i was really relaxed and comfortable and confident that's the thing it um that i've been finding it's it's obviously the environment of the set it's it's the level of which the director talks to you but for me it's it's someone checking in if you're okay there's something triggering to that hey you're okay yeah you're like oh god yeah no i'm fine and and it immediately just

like makes you want to get emotional because someone's checking in on you you know like if i do a crying scene and then the director comes over after and he's like that was great you want another one and i'm like no i'm okay do you want water no i'm fine are you okay as soon as they ask if i'm okay i ball you have to know what each actor needs some actors i don't need i don't want you near me i don't need you i got this some actors need a little love some actors need a little that's just who we are as humans we all need different things i remember alison on smallville i was directing an episode i remember she came up and she had to cry in the scene and she goes michael you just and we're about to roll hold me or no no she just said will you tell me that story about your grandmother but my grandmother

ruthie passed and i started to tell her the story and all of a sudden her eyes just went watery and i go let's go roll cameras at you know an action and and it just was like a really nice moment Lisa H, I absolutely loved you in the remake of V. I think the dynamic of your character, your character was so dynamic, it was so interesting. What was your favorite memory of working on that show? And did you feel the cancellation of it was premature? And that was from who?

That was from Lisa H. Hello, Lisa H. Thank you. V was an interesting beast because my character, Lisa, basically, was a lizard. in human skin. So I wasn't allowed to emote very much, which was interesting. Everything had to be very calculated and subtle. I had a lot of fun playing the role.

I do think it was, it ended too soon. We had a great following. It was ABC. People were loving it. But I just think, you know, they didn't know where to take it. The producers weren't communicating. We got a call. We got three calls in one day.

Hey, we're getting, we're just going to be a mini-serie. Hey, we're going to get another season. Hey, we just got canceled. And there was, like, hours apart. So no one knew what was happening. And we still don't know why it was. Were you heartbroken? At the time, you know, because I was like, this is probably my last job.

We always think that. Yeah. Tom, Ann, what's your favorite prop you kept from TVs or movies? I no longer have it because I sold everything off to fund my phone. Really? I did, yeah. What was the biggest seller? My Kryptonian bracelet.

How much? I can't remember. A thousand. I think it was like two, but I'd have to check. Maybe I should sell my Lex Luthor. It's actually a, it's the trench coat that I wore when I was Zodd. Yeah, I saw, they built for me. I wonder if I sold that for charity.

I could do one of my charities and give it to charity. That'd be great. I sold off our crew warm up jacket that said Smallville season seven. Anything that I could do to create this film that I wanted to. I was like willing to part with that stuff, although I'm fairly sad about it. but um what do you what are you looking for for the for the in the future the what do you what do you want like what do you do you want to just continue working i mean obviously you want a family you still want a family and all that stuff we don't need to get into that but i mean what makes

you what makes you what gives you joy family brings me joy um that's such a load a loaded question It is. It's a tough one. It wasn't a very good one either. No, it wasn't very good. Wasn't my best. No. We're used to that, though. It's okay. Yeah, that's a tough one. I think I'm going towards the things that bring me joy right now. So I can be, I can swim in it rather than visit it. I think your gut reaction when you said family. I think, boom, that was it.

I think that's where you get the biggest. And not just my family, like the potential of my own. Potentially your own family. Yeah. And work and work. And work. And like, I need work. I'm never going to stop work. that's a passion. Right. I think when you care about someone else and you take care of someone else, like a child, and they become the center of attention and you're not the center of attention anymore, I think that will become something special for anyone who has a kid. I assume that's,

I think my mother loved us, but my mother was still young when she had all of us and she was always the center of attention and that that's not, you have to give that up. I don't like being the center of attention anyway. I like taking care of people and things. You know, that's my dog is and things like my dog yeah um so i don't think that would be a rough transition for me i think more so it's like trying to find where to how to separate the focus because when i work i'm all in right so it's finding the balance well this has been easy and fun wasn't it are we done i think so i mean what was your uh what's your handle so people could follow you uh on Instagram it's super vandy although guys I'm trying to get my name so if you can help me I don't know

how to do that someone has it either someone has Laura van dervort someone has Laura van dervort someone has the Laura van dervort official and it won't fit on it on Twitter that's why mine's the mine's Michael Rosen bum I couldn't fit an A in there so I had to put bum on Twitter it's appropriate though thank you you show that often thank you and Twitter is Vandikins 22 there you go anything you want to say that's coming out you just worked on this film I just worked on this film The film I've just directed Will be hopefully getting into festivals

What's that called? The coming year, My Soul to Take. My Soul to Take? Our Instagram for that is my soul to take film. Follow it, guys. Check it out. She's worked very hard.

She sold all her Smallville memorabilia to make it. Oh, sad day. Sad day. But I made a film, so it's all worth it. It's all worth it. Your dreams are coming true. Yes. Well, I hope the rest of your dreams come true.

Thank you. You too. We can do this. Yeah. I think, you know, we can do it. Right, Indy? It's Indiana Jones if you're watching. If not, you don't know what I'm talking about.

Laura, thank you for allowing me to be inside of you. This was awesome. I love that it's live. It's you're here with me. It's different, isn't it, Ryan? Do you find it awkward? Yeah, I'm not ready. Oh, my God.

Touch him. Laura just touched Ryan. Everything's just going out of control now. I'm going back to Canada in lockdown and I can't be near anyone. So this is the most I'll get. So thank you. Well, guys, this was a pleasure. It was fun.

So always having, always a good time. Hopefully every couple years will come back. Yeah. Anytime I'm in L.A., if it's not too soon, we'll do it again. All right. We'll see you. I thought Laura was really good today. I thought she, you know, you think she's not going to say much.

You think she's not going to tell it how it is, but she can't help herself. She's like me. If she doesn't like something, she says it. If something happened, she kind of insinuates. I like having her on the show. I want to have her on the show, you know, at least, you know, once a year or something like that. There's a few guests that I like to have on, like the Stephen Amels, the Tom Wellings, the maybe the Kristen Crooks, the old gang from Smallville, Erica.

But I also appreciate you guys always chiming in saying, you should get this guest. It's not that I don't listen. It's that I try and a lot of times I fail. Remember, I get 99% of my guests. I email them or I get their email from someone and then I message them like Kenan Thompson from S&L. Hey, Kenan, you don't know me, but you worked with my friend so-and-so.

And I was just wondering if you did, hello? Hello? But, you know... You didn't get Kenan Thompson as what you're saying? No, not yet, but I'm going to keep trying. I love him. I think he's hilarious. Isn't he funny?

That'd be great. It'd be great. Yeah. That would make my day. I'm trying for Keenan. I'm trying for... I've tried for Jack Black. I've tried for people.

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