Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Smallville’s TOM WELLING: New Beginnings

Episode Date: December 21, 2021

The one and only Tom Welling (Smallville, Professionals) joins us again this year as we reminisce on the recent 20th anniversary of Smallville and discuss the differences in our time shooting the show and interacting with castmates. As we return to cons, Tom talks about his experience as a father being away from his family and the surprise realization he now has away from home. We also talk about fatherhood, upcoming Smallville projects, and his experience working with Brendan Fraser. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Happy holidays, folks. Happy holidays. Ryan, happy holidays to you. Happy holidays. Happy holidays to everyone. Happy holidays. I hope everyone's having a great week, great day, great holiday.

If you're having a bad day, have a better day. Turn it around, man. Turn it around somehow. Go for a run. Go for a drive. Go for a listen to some holiday music if that's what you're into. Yeah. I like some holiday music.

Oh, yeah. What's your favorite holiday song, right? Favorite holiday song? I just like the simple, Have yourself a merry little Christmas. It might as I'm just being a kid. That's a nice one. That one's really, that one toes at the heartstrings.

It's rich. I mean, you can't go wrong with the Mariah Carey. Maybe a wham. A wham, yeah. Or maybe even, So this is Christmas. And what have you done? One of my dad's favorites to play was the Chicago album.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because it was Chicago 25, so they made a Christmas album. So we had that one concert rotation. Didn't they have a bunch of bells and things on the front of the album? Yeah, probably. I think so. That was a good way.

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some cool merch there so why don't we just do it let's uh happy holidays everybody this is my good buddy uh he's been on before he's been on i think the most him and stephen emel and zach levi are probably the leader on a leader board of who's been on the podcast um but we had a great conversation and i think you're gonna really enjoy it so let me know what you think and uh let's get inside of tom welling it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. What's the shirt? Why, is that Lady Gaga?

No, dude, that's Ariana Grande. Let's go. Arianna Grande, why is she upside down on your shirt? I don't know. My wife went to the concert with her friend and brought me this home and I love it. Well, it looks good on you. And in fact, today I was trying to figure what to wear here. And my wife was like, what are you going to wear?

like, I was like, I have two options. I'm doing this. I'm doing this. And she was, and she's paused. And I was like, okay? So I went back in the room, literally, and I'm going through the stack of the limited clothing that I have here. And I'm picking up this t-shirt. She goes, what about Ariada Grande? And I was like, and I swear to God, I was just picking it up. Do you like Ariana Grande? Who doesn't? I don't know one song she sings. Oh, you have to watch her on... I'm stuck, you know, in the 70s and 80s, some 90s. She has a gift. There's this YouTube video of her. I think I was on Jimmy Fallon, and she can do Celine Dion, she can do everybody

all these. Yeah, just move it closer to you. It's just going to be a thing. Well, you know, you keep turning and talking to Ryan it will be. Well, Ryan's interesting. Guys, a handsome dude. Yeah, he is. You know, Bobby Lee said he looked like an eagle from the side. But go ahead.

No, but I was literally picking this t-shirt up from the stack and when her, my wife said, so it was like, I had to wear this. Well, I like it. Thank you. It's thinning, black's thinning, right? And she's upside down, which makes it work. It does. Somehow.

I don't know if there's a reason, but Ariana Grande. I know a lot of listeners are going to probably say, how do you not know one song from Ariana Grande? That's okay that you don't. It's like meeting someone who's never watched Seinfeld, you know, when you meet them and you're just like, oh, you are so lucky. And I'm not saying you have to buy her albums, no offense, Ariana, or why I'm looking at you, but like watch that YouTube video of her doing.

other people's voices? She's amazing. Have you listened to any Aria Grande songs? Yeah, no, I mean, I am one of those like, it's, how do you not run across an Ariana Grande song? I would know who... You probably would know. Thank you next. I got one last problem

without you. Sing something. I'm so fucking grateful for my... See, that's better. See, I couldn't do that and I'm wearing your t-shirt. Does she say the F-bomb? Yeah. Isn't she really young? I mean, she's like 29 now. young to you young to you speaking of which we're getting old man i mean you look the same no no

i absolutely don't look the same i i sometimes i find it hard to look in the mirror in the mornings i i honestly get up and i try not to look at myself i try to shower i try to blow dry really quick uh i air dry what about your hair today i gave a chest of a little trim hair a trimming I remember you having a lot of shaving considerations on Smallville well not just your head but you'd be like how's my back how's what you know well you know it's like sometimes you're back my neck mom but sometimes do you ever you don't have any hair on your back not that I can see you really are so lucky do you know how lucky you are to not have any hair it's not like I'm Harold in the Henderson's but but I get some if I let it go for a

couple months I need somebody to trim it with an electric razor yeah see I don't know how luck i am because i haven't you know what i mean so you don't do any trimming does your wife ask you to trim down there below the waist i mean there's always a little bit of a little like it's not like a direct request but there's always a little bit like hey you know clean it up in general oh so she says something well just like about a lot of things you know like clean it up it's like clean it up clean it up just clean it up what about you ryan does amanda ever ask you to trim downstairs uh no but it's implied. Just sort of keep it, keep it nice. I can't find it. I can't find it. It's too hairy. That's the ongoing joke. It's a lot smaller than a lot of my hairs. Well, listen, I think

we should start now. And I just want to say thank you for paying me to be here. Absolutely. I always have to pay my guests to be here. Otherwise, why would they spend so much valuable time with me? You know, I got this family feud game really quick and that's kind of fun. So each of you, you get three strikes. But top six answers on the board, Ryan and Tom. Name something you'd find on a playground one at a time. So go ahead. Jungle Jim. Jungle Jim.

You are correct. That's the number four answer. Ryan. Swing set. That's the number one answer. Tom. Damn, he took mine. I have to keep going?

I thought I got one. There's six answers on the board. This is Family Feud here. I don't know what a lot of things are called there. Monkey bars. Correct. That's one. Ryan.

Three left. Oh, slide. Slide. two answers left on the board what would you find in a playground come on rappers no who goes to playgrounds children there we go that's the number six answer and one left this is probably the best there's usually more than one slide no but this is not a slide this is uh you know it's kind of a balancing thing it's kind of like oh it's sisa yeah it is see so i have two sons now and i think they've they've like gotten the seesaws out of the

parks. Why is that? Why do they get seesaws out of the parks? There might be a liability issue. I just, we've been, I go to parks as much as I can. I'm very rarely because kids kind of, you know, when they're up, they kind of fall down, they get hit their heads. Yeah. I could see the liability issue. Are you, now that you're a dad, you have two kids now,

right? Yep. You have Rockland. Yep, Thompson and Rockland. Thompson and Rockland. Yeah. Two boys. Two boys. How much is your life changed? honestly um you've got to be fucking exhausted dude two kids you had your own shit going on you could wake up when you want you could do what you want now you're not doing that i text you

once at 4 30 in the morning because i was in the east coast and you were up and i answered you're like what are you doing up i'm like why i don't know i mean it's worth it man like you're i mean there is all cut the bullshit it's worth it stuff it's got it is it is like it'll be 4.30 in the morning and your son is like, dad, da, dad, da. And you're like, yeah. Like, you're happy. And then you go and you sit down and maybe you're trying to keep them, you know, if they're not looking at you and talking to you, but they're engaged something else, you're like, you know. Yeah. But it's, it is, it's the most special thing in the world. And, and yeah, I recommend it for you, like I've said, you got to find the right person.

Yeah. Oh, fuck. Story of my life, dude. But it's, how long am I going to be. I was exhausted. Everybody knows. Are you, who me? No, everybody who has kids who's listening and we're watching this. Like, you're exhausted, but it's worth it. I'm exhausted right now. You are.

But I'm happy. And that's a difference. You know, when you do something you're jet lagged, you're doing something you don't want to do, well, then you're completely miserable. But, I mean, I couldn't be happier right now. But this is, you have purpose. Do you feel like you have purpose in your life now? Yeah.

Yeah. A different kind of purpose that I probably never would have had otherwise, yeah. And what, you notice a big change in your personality? Because I remember on set. I think I'm happier. You could be impatient. Yeah. You know, you were kind of like always working.

You could get a little revved up. But like, does this force you to kind of become more patient? A buddy in mind gave me really good advice when my wife was pregnant with her first son. He's like, you're going to realize that you have zero tolerance for bullshit once your child is born. And I was like, what do you mean? And he's like, once I kid's born, like, you're just going to like your friends who are sort of like, I'll be there, but I'll be late. You just, you don't give you shit. Like, it's just not important anymore, but your kids are, and keeping them safe is good,

which is why when you then leave your children, those choices to do that are so much more important. Like, coming here, I had to think, you know, is this worth leaving my children for? Well, you're only a minute away. And I'm a minute away. But it's a consideration with work projects and things that you, like, we're working on two things. Right. But, like, those feel worth it to me to spend time away from my family in order to be creative

and do great things to come back to them. Do you feel like you need to, like, sometimes getting away, going to a convention, going to shoot a movie, going to do these things? It's almost like, I needed this. I thought I did. As you know, there was a 10-day period where I went to a convention, had a couple days off and then met you at another convention and whatnot. And, you know, all I thought I was going to be like, okay, I'm free because I didn't left my family like a year and a half. And there was a part of me that was like, okay, man, finally. I get to sleep. Well, we go into the convention. There's a lot of work, very little sleep. But then the

three days I had to myself, the first night I slept 14 hours. And you hadn't slept 14 hours since probably Thompson was born. I've never slept 14 hours. I don't think ever. And then I was like, cool, I'm going to do this for two more nights. Well, it doesn't happen that way. I mean, your body can't really do that. But honestly, all I did was miss them the entire time. Really? Yeah, I couldn't. Because you can easily come on here, as many do. And you could say, oh kids are wonderful kids you know i had my friend chris once said to me he's like no matter what anybody ever says to you and i love my child i love my child more than anything sometimes you want to fucking kill the kid there well i've never he's like obviously you don't but there's

times when you're like i can't make you happy there's times when you just want your kid to do what you want them to do and that like go to sleep or like there is that stuff but i've never i've never thought about killing my child well i don't think he meant killing the child I thought, I think he meant just like, I just, I just fucking can't make you happy. There's sometimes where you're like, I just wish I could go take a nap or I wish I could just have an hour to myself. There is that. I mean, that's normal.

That's normal being. And that's where, you know, like my wife and I, we, we juggle that, you know, so. Does having kids affect your relationship? Does it make it, is it more positive things? Or does it sometimes, there's like, you know, when are we going to have? Because I remember you telling me something, we're like, you know, she's got two kids in her hand and you're kind of looking at her like hey happy time what do you think she's like I got two fucking kids in my arms how are we going to have time for this but there's got to be things that

you know you got to make time for the two of you that is something which I'm still trying to get better at I mean that's just how it goes but we both enjoy our kids so much like all we do like when our kids are there we just look at each other and smile like it's it's awesome inside of you is brought to you by rocket money I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money period it's rocket money it's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions monitors your spending and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings this is just a wonderful app there's a lot of apps out there that really you know you have to do this and pay for and that but with rocket money it's they're saving

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That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com slash inside-of-you. Free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince.com slash inside of you. I have to say, Ryan, I mean, Tom definitely is more of a calmer patient person than I knew him on Smallville. That's fair, true. Just in the last, since the kids were born especially, you do seem more like you kind of go with the flow.

Well, I did an interview recently for the 20th anniversary of Smallville and I talked to this, you know, it was over the phone. The guy couldn't even see me. And it was like a 15 minute interview. And at the end, he's like, you sound really happy. And I was like, I am happy. I mean, this is great. He goes, no, no, no, I interviewed you like four or five times before during Smallville.

This is the first time I've heard you sound happy. And I was like, you're right. I mean, there was, I don't want to complain. but, like, that was a, there was a, that was a tough part of my life. And great success, great TV show, like, don't be wrong. Very grateful and all that, but. But on the personal side, I wasn't happy, but I remember that. I remember, it's funny because now your parents visit and they kind of take care of the kids and stuff.

But I remember, I don't know if I really looked at you and your mother and father as close when we were on Smallville. It seemed kind of distant. And now when I see you together, it seems like there's a new bond. Well, my, it was funny. My parents came to visit me on Smallville. and it's you know they arrived i didn't get home to like midnight i left at 6 a m they weren't awake it took two days for them to come visit set and like you and i've talked about people come to visit you and set and you start to shoot a scene and like 15 minutes later they're like so um you're still

doing this like it's very boring to visit set after 15 minutes and so my parents after three days of that were like so we're going to go to vancouver island we're going to fuck off my parents think a vacation to visit me and then took a vacation from visiting me because I wasn't available. I mean, I was gone all the time. Right. So that's probably why you didn't necessarily see us together because I was, the show was everything at that point. It really was everything.

And it's hard for people to understand. They're like, you know, they're probably like, you know, do they need to understand? But I think, you know, I think people in general, when you're filming something and you don't text back and you don't, you're absorbed, you're enveloped in a project that you just, you can't like for me i can't break away from it i've got to have full focus on something or i'm not going to be good right i've got to focus entirely on the task at hand and some people can get annoyed like you haven't called me he didn't text me back oh my friends will always get my friend kent in indiana oh really when i don't respond oh good talk dude well i went through a couple of

friends during that period but the but the friends that are still there are still like my good friends like you go into a submarine for 10 months you're basically just in communicato and people get that and you come back out and it was like you know you'd have a month and a half or two to like hang out with these people and then you're like later and they're like later see in a year that's just that's also good friendship I think yeah I mean do you need to talk to him every day hopefully not know what you do I face time him hey Ryan you're like hey dude I'm editing you face time everyone I know I know it's a facetiming 20th anniversary of smallville you and i just did a bunch of press we promoted the blu-ray that's coming

out this will probably be already out by the time this airs yeah but um and you always get upset when people say 20th anniversary and you're like it's not from the time it ended it's from the time it started 20 years yeah 20 years since you started smallville and i've talked to you about this how much do you think if you when you look back at starting the show I mean, it's got to be a daunting thing or were you just so naive and just young and giddy and all that that you just didn't realize what a daunting task it was to play the lead role

in a huge series? Well, the funny thing is, I was sold on the idea that it was ensemble. Ensemble means there was the rest of the cast to do some of the work. So that was the naivete that you're talking about. To me, it was a job. Cool. I've never been to Vancouver. Let's go.

And then I got in front of all you guys and you guys knew what, like, marks were and, like, where the light should be and stuff. And I was like, oh, boy, I better, I better learn fast. So, yeah, I had no idea. I just knew it was a great job. And I hope it would work. And that's how it continued. And we ended up less than 10 years.

I mean, that was a, yeah. I think there's less than 30 TV shows in the history of television of less. Is that true? Wow. There's not a lot. Were you nervous, though, honestly? Were you acting for the, like, really for the first time you've done some small, things but like doing scenes in the very beginning do you remember how you felt do you remember

overwhelmed do you remember like can i do this can i can i can i get through it where i were you embarrassed at all the crews watching the cast everybody were you because you're so young and you just had done some modeling and like you did the amy show judging amy judging amy but you hadn't done a lot well she would have been a nervous wreck but she she was a that that judging amy experience was awesome for me because i got to act with her and i saw the way she operated on set and how she treated people and how when the cameras started. And I don't know if I knew this at the time, but then she would like, then we would just be in the scene. It would just be talking to each other and a lot like you and I did. And in some ways when smuggle happened, again, I thought

it was, I thought it was an ensemble. But many times, especially in the first season, I'm like, where's everybody else? Yeah. Michael was just here and he left. Kristen's now here. She left. They must be doing other things, right? No, they went home. Um, but the camera, I don't mean to sound like whatever, but the camera never, never bothers me. Never has. Never has. Like, I don't see it. And, and thank you.

That's rare. Like, I'm just, thank God. Even in the beginning, even when you're first doing these few scenes, you aren't thinking, oh my God, am I selling it? Am I doing the right thing? Am I? No, if anything else, I never felt like I, I, I looked to like the directors and producers or the other actors and be like, did I, not that I get away with that, but like, when they move on,

I'm like, okay, I don't know if it's good or not. But I wasn't like, oh, no, because I just thought that other people should tell me if I was doing bad. Yeah. I don't know. And we, our relationship was a little bit like that. We'd be in a scene and you'd be like, just do that again, do that again. Like, you can do better or whatever. Like that, that was helpful. And I was like, okay, cool. But I kind of looked for other people to guide me innately. So, yeah, know if somebody was like that was shitty i was like okay well how do we adjust it right and i don't know where i got that from or whatnot you i don't know if i don't want to be arrogant and say i don't know if you can teach that i was just so focused on the job that i don't know if so you've never

really cared about what other people think is what you're saying well i cared about the people around me who thought but like as we've talked about social media wasn't a thing or commenting about episodes wasn't really right but you know if there were times where you you know we would I just relied on other people I think that's the answer relied on other people to help to support me and if they said we needed more I'd do more they said we got it we got it do you remember the first time you saw the pilot or some moments that you thought wow this is going to change my life um I don't remember seeing the pilot you don't remember seeing the pilot I know what the pilot is Right.

But I don't know where I was and when I saw it, I don't. But you got to remember, like, the first time you watched an episode of Smallville that you were the lead in it and thought you had different, you didn't get thoughts about it. I just don't remember when or where I was. But I do remember when Clark pulls off in the pilot, when he pulls off the door to the truck and he says, you know, my name's Clark Kent, you're in Smallville. I remember doing that scene and being like, oh, this is awesome. Like, this is like James Bond, Indiana Jones.

Like, there was just so much about that moment, you know, I just remember when we were doing it, I remember it being, I remember it being cool. You were so young. So, I mean, you, also, you didn't have time to go home and study lines. No. Now, that's got to be terrifying sort of for someone like me who always studied lines and did plays and, you know, had to really learn the stuff so I could be free on set. but you you just didn't have the time you're in every scene every day you could you had to go home and sleep

but that was my job my job was to be there all the time every day um as you know with clark and lex like Clark doesn't have a lot of lines and a lot of times in television shows the leads don't because the story needs to be you know they're in the middle of the story so this you know everybody else talks to them it's a lot at the times what happens in television shows um so like you know you and I would be in scenes and I'd be like man this guy you know you got a ton of lines like it's you you you you and then right Clark would be like what do you mean but my job was to be there all the time in a sense and and I was you know for 10 years my life it was whatever it takes to be there that's just was my focus did you ever have breaking points where you're like I can't

freaking do this I'm I'm so tired they've got to give me a day off um did you ever have moments where you're driving to work and you're just like I got to pull over I'm so tired. I mean, I'll be honest that was most days. Like it was. Most days, because we drove ourselves to work. Yeah. Until the cast got together and said Tom has to have a driver.

He's going to die. He's going to die. He's your lead role. He's our lead guy. You, so many times you were driving to work and you had to pull over. I got pulled over once. By a cop.

By a cop. I was going to work. I was just in a constant, like, irritated mood all the time. And I remember one day I was driving to work because, like, season three. And it was like, I'm sure some of you listening are watching this. A car is slowed in front of you. You want to just not slow down. You hit the horn.

The car clears and you realize, like, someone just got an accident. There's a cop already there. And the cop just turned to me and was like, turn out. So I pulled over and then goes, what are you honking for? And in Vancouver, honking your horn. Canadians don't honk their horns. They don't haunts. They're Canadians.

And I'm not a big honker, but it was just that moment. I was like, hark! Oh. And he's what do you honking for? I'm like, I just, I'm, he, and he made me sit there for a minute to almost teach me, like, calm down, slow down. Never give me a ticket. But I, you know, I mean, I needed to hear that right there. Right.

Like, just chill out a little bit, too. But you were absolutely, you'd say, at least once or twice. a week on the way to work or on the way home you're just like I'm out of my mind tired yeah constantly would you fall asleep easy did you ever need any pills to go to sleep never pills never to a beer what I did is I would normally nap for 15 minutes at lunch like I would like during lunch I would have I would get my lunch eat it while I was walking get to my trailer lay down 15 minutes later get up and the second part of my day was always more productive I felt right just from a nap you know Harry Truman used to nap he said just

in a boxer shorts, a pair of boxers and a t-shirt and take a little 30-minute power nap and it used to make his day. That's what he did. I still love naps. Do you still nap? Even with kids, you can nap? When I can, even 15 minutes, anything. I'm sure Jess goes, just go take a nap. Just go take a nap. A lot of times I'll be like, I just need like 10, 15 minutes and she knows. I'll be back. What about the pressure of like always being in shape, like getting bigger, like getting stronger, losing weight? Like, did you have to deal with a lot of that stuff? well at the time because of my age it wasn't a big deal um and what we did with clark is clark wasn't going to be a guy who would take your shirt off

if you know what i mean unless it like the action made it happen right like and your shirt was off quite a few times but not as much as you think oh let's go back because i remember being like is it really worth it because i never had the time to work out like we see these movies and all these guys now they make time for that right um what was i going to do workout five minutes a day and half hour on the weekends. But you looked good because you were young. I was young, yeah. But did you do push-ups in your trailer?

Did you have some weights? Like maybe before like an actual scene. Right. I would try to get a little pump or something. But it was really just... You were lucky, genetics. Genetics, yeah. But I remember there was one season

where you just kind of were like over it. You came back and you just had eaten fucking everything in sight. And the producers, what happened? The summer of gluttony. What happened? It was just, there was a little conversation. And it was Steve Wardrobe was like, what happened? And I was like, what do you mean?

I finally had fun for the first time of my life away from the show. But I gained a few pounds. And by the way, it wasn't like I came back 300 pounds. I just came back like a little bit more. Right. And so I don't know if anything was adjusted or not. But there was just a little bit of a, you know, let's clean it up. Let's clean it up.

Who said it to you? Al. They had to be out. I'm pretty sure it was Steve. Al would never bother me. Steve, the wardrobe guy, said, you need to do something. He told you. Yeah.

And you were like, what do you mean? Well, I knew what he meant. I was like, you're right. How many episodes did it take you to get back into the shape you needed to be in? I don't recall that I think it was a couple weeks because you have to understand. Being on the show, you lose weight. There's no time to eat. There's no time to do anything.

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You switch bodies. You talk. You tell me. You do it. I don't remember. It's Lidal Lutheran Clark switch bodies. And so that's for me to play a character that, um, that is so iconic and I mean the glove we love the glove we love John Glover

I mean this guy is like he's like an astronaut of act you know I mean he's just like you can't yeah he's he's superb so to play a character that he's been playing in a sense it was it was it was a lot of fun you switched you became Lionel Luther he became Clark can yeah and one of the things and I think he'd enjoy the story but he had more trouble playing Clark I think because Clark is more, his actions and the way he goes about is very simple and maybe not as complicated as Lionel Ruther or layered. And I remember John B asking me to come to set and he was in the prison scene behind the bars. And I was in the next scene, but James Marshall called me.

I think he was directing. One of the directors, producers, yeah. And he called me and he said, can you come to set? And of course, I'm like, I'm not supposed to, I don't need to be there for another 30 minutes. And he's like, no, Glover wants to talk to you. He wants your help. and I was like, I'll be there in two seconds, you know? And I go in there and John's pacing in this, literally in this cell in this prison.

And I'm like, John, what's up? He's like, oh, and he like grabs the bars. And he's like, Tom, I need your help. And I'm like, you need something to eat? Like, what do you? He's like, how do you? He goes, play Carquette. And I was like, what are you talking about?

He goes, I don't, I just, I don't know, you know, he couldn't get, he couldn't feel like he could get there. I go, just simplify thing. It's not all that complicated. I mean, I can say that to a guy like John because he's like so talented. Right. And he was like, you don't understand. I complicate everything.

And I was like, just slow everything down. You're not so ahead of everything as you normally may be. And I saw a light in his eyes. And somehow that piece of information or direction landed with him. Right. And, I mean, if you watch the episode, it's a lot of fun to watch. Now, what about the fact you told me, you tell the story. Tell the story about the, it was one of the best, it was written

about that was one of the best episodes ever. And then something happened. So this was written about in a publication recently, I believe. Yeah. So the same story came out on the same, like, we're getting ready for this big 20th anniversary since Smallville started. And we have a lot of press coming on and people want to talk about, which is great. So I found myself being like, you know what, maybe I need to revisit some of the information

so I can have more talking points from what I've just been talking about before. So I found this website and I was like, cool. top 10 episodes of Smallville. And one of them on there is the one about red kryptonite and Clark kind of goes bad and whatnot. And I texted you the list because I was like, oh, there's like two episodes

that you're very much featured on too. Right. Just so that when you and I are together, we can talk, kind of like this. So anyway, I'm like, okay, cool. And then there's this link on there and they're like, top 10 worst things about Smallville. And I was like, I got to click on that.

So I clicked on it. And the first one is how bad I was an actor in that episode that was like one of the best episodes. And I was like, this is on the same website. And I remember talking you about it. You're like, you can't listen to this stuff. And I'm like, I know. I'm not upset about it. And then you're like, but you're talking about it.

And I'm like, but I'm not upset. I just, I just find it, you know. It's, it's kind of ironic. It's, it's just like it's one of the best episodes ever ranked on their site. And then you get this message about it. It just doesn't make any sense. Well, listen. I mean, it's just what it is.

And that's what you got to let. I mean, we've got to let go as actors. We can't, it's none of our business what other people think about us. Okay, but on the same note, I have a question for you. I listened to one of your episodes lately with the guy from the Flash. No, this is good. Okay. You guys are talking about how you can never, you can never allow yourself to really enjoy your experience.

And part of my heart broke because it's like a lot of actors go, their whole career is never able to enjoy anything they've ever done. And I don't think anyone's ever been able to say why you can. you know what I mean like a lot of people go through their lives just you know like I'm so miserable and misery is such a motivation um and I don't know how to get through that but I guess my point I did that going through smallville and now the time has passed I actually am not able to appreciate it somehow right and I don't know you just spoke specifically about how like you're never happy I'm sorry not then you're never happy but like when you perform you're like uh it stresses me out And I try, I just want to enjoy myself.

I don't think I've ever really, there are moments when I'm really comfortable on set and I enjoy things. But overall, I put so much pressure on myself to be great that it's hard to enjoy what you're doing when you just are always striving to be great and not just enjoying the moment. I think that goes with life. It's like if you're not in the moment, how are you going to enjoy it? You're always ahead of yourself. You're stressing out about things. And how do you deal with that? Well, you know, you brought up having kids.

My kids have taught me how to be in the moment because. I mean, when you're on set, you're in the moment because somebody says action or go and you're, you know, you're there. Right. And if you're not there, you probably don't stand a chance, at least for that scene or whatnot. But with your kids and maybe your frustrations building or this and that, but you're like, but even my wife has told me it's like, it's all temporary. So it's going to change in probably 15 minutes anyway, whatever's going on, the happiness or the or the frustration. So just enjoy it because your kids are going to grow and they're going to be gone before you know it. So going back to your earlier question about kids, like that's what it's teaching me.

Appreciate what's happening right now, whether it's good or bad. Right. And I think that's left out a lot about appreciation. Like, are you only supposed to appreciate everything good about this moment? No. Maybe appreciate what can you learn from this moment, I think, is the way to get to appreciation. Somebody just ran into you in their car. I mean, there's a horrible example.

But what can you? Mother. Yeah. But if somehow you can. get to what can I learn from this moment, you will actually maybe be able to be in the moment more. We'll help you navigate other moments. It's like, you know what? Take a deep breath. Like being here. I'm alive. This was an accident. How do we do with this? You know, there's a way of programming to program your mind to make you sort of not freak out about

everything. I think that goes with years of therapy and other things like that. No tights, no flights. Now that was something from the beginning that you were like, I'm Clark Kent. This is the story of Clark Kent and how he becomes, you know, his, is growing up. Yeah. And eventually he becomes Superman. But they made it clear to you and you said, hey, I'm signing this contract because I'm playing Clark Kent. I'm not getting in the tights, right? And they said, absolutely. How many times did they try to kind of convince you like, let's do it? It's time. Let's do it. Let's get in the tights. Well, there was never that conversation. So the conversation went, yes, and going back to your being so naive, I was so naive.

that I was just like, I had some experience with contracts before and how they can maybe sound good. And once you go through them, they can work against you. And so with this one, and I had other options at the time. And I was like, okay, here's the deal. Like, I read the scripts, a kid in high school, we don't know who he's going to be. And I never wanted really him to be Superman. So in my contract was I would never put on the cape or the tights or the suit. I think it was like halfway through season one they just put out a script and Clark's like flying around

with a suit on and stuff and I remember just sort of saying you know you guys know that that's not going to be me like it's in my contract you said that yeah and they were like okay and they rewrote it I think they were just trying to see if they could test the waters

and by the way if Clark was in his suit as Superman season one we would have never lasted 10 years because it wasn't what the show is there was Lois and Krook Clark and these other shows that that's what it's about. It's about them being in the suits and saving the day. Right. It was about Clark and Lex and Jonathan and Lionel and Martha and all the other characters. It was about their journey of who they were going to be,

not who they are as far as at the end. Right. If that makes any sense. If you were to go back, if you can go back in time and to the last episode, would you fly a little more? Would you want to be seen a little more? No. Did you think it was just enough? Yeah, well, I wrote that scene. Really? Yeah.

The final scene of the... When Clark goes like this, that was... I had a conversation with Peter Roth, who's the head of the network. He was the head of the product. Yep. And I was... My idea was I wanted... This is how I felt about the show ending is I wanted...

I wanted to show Clark ascending. But knowing that we could... can't go there, but in our hearts know that he was out there. And I got there from other shows that I liked. Jack Bauer did that in 24. Maybe that's working. I would go home to, I would race home to watch 24 while we were shooting small. Jefferson 24 iron? You liked it? With Kiefer Sutherland, who's now like kind of a friend of mine and I still get nervous when I see him. You get starstruck. I do. Because I just, and not because he's Jack Bauer, just because when you invest your time watching a show and then you meet that person, it's like, it's, it's otherworldly a lot of times.

And I would race home. This is before you could just like download, you know, and all that of the stuff. Tivo, I believe. Even before that, man, it was like, it would air on Fox on this night. And if you didn't, if you didn't have like a tape recorder. I mean, this was early, dude. 2002, three. Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, that was my go-to. So anyway, that inspired me a little bit. And I just wanted Clark to live on, but in our heart. hearts, but we couldn't see him go there as Superman. Right. You know, we're not going to talk about it, but, you know, a lot of people have asked about the, uh, the animated series, the Smallville animated series that you and I are working on it. And we would just say that it's been, it's fun. We're going to be pitching, you know, uh, in January, Warner Brothers. And, you know, we've got some great people attached and, you know, we're hoping that they, they bite and, um, what can we say who's

attached? I mean, well, Alan Miles, the creators of Smallville. And, uh, you know, we're, uh, so people ask me questions. We don't have any information for you other than we've got a great pitch and we hope they bite. That's all I'll say. Yeah, I think I think the only thing we can say is that it is moving forward, which is a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah. We talked about it actually for a few years and then we're always talking about how cool it be at conventions and then we were like, you know, this, you know, and finally now it's coming to fruition a little bit. You know, at least the idea and the artwork and, you know, but it's fun because, you know, doing these conventions with you, we've started to like become better friends not only that but like you know then you read a script

and like we're pitching it together and uh we're trying to it's it's nice to be working with friends it's nice to be um what's your experience with that because you're you've never really worked with friends before and stuff usually just a actor for hire or a producer or whatever well i i think that yeah a lot of times when you go to work you you hopefully become friends with the people right but there's an old Hollywood saying that it was you know You hope to get to a point in this industry where you only get to work with your friends because then you're really having fun. Yeah. And I think that's part of, you know, the shorthand that you and I have, Alan Miles. I mean, it's just so easy and creative. It's exciting. And I think that that's going to lend a lot of energy to the project.

I think it does. I think it's just sort of like, you know, like, hey, it's going to be me and you on set. And we're going to be able to hire people. If the show gets picked up and we get to hire people that we like and work with. and there's that's this that's such an appeal that's such a i mean really live in the life if you could do that if you could hire the people around you it's it i mean with any job i'm sure everybody who's listening or watching this you know you have to go to work certain people like and some people you don't want to be around yeah and you it's a lot of work to be around people that you don't sort of mesh with but then when you get that person that you connect with it's fun yeah the professionals yeah you and brendan fraser and in freaking

South Africa. Yeah. You almost died. I don't think I was the only one. I mean, we had, we had armed security. We weren't allowed to leave the hotel on our own. One of the crew cars got shot with like an AK-740 round because two taxi drivers got in a fight. Johannesburg is a very interesting place.

Did you know it was going to be this dangerous? No. No. Were you scared for your life at times? I was. I mean, I felt protected because of the guys around me and the armored car that I would go to set in. But on set, we would kind of shoot out in the boonies a little bit.

So I didn't feel like we were, but a couple times we went into the city. And it got a little hairy, but it added, you know, I'm trying to be positive about it now, but it added to the energy of it. But the idea when I went down there's my family would come. And I think within like two days, I'm like, that's not going to happen. You're not coming. No. And how long were you gone without seeing them?

Three months. without seeing Thompson was that the most difficult thing you've had to endure yeah I mean part of it he was in part of it was he was so young at the time you know I convinced myself that he didn't know I wasn't there and my wife did a great job she ended up flying out to New York and being with my family which was helpful as well um but there were a couple days where it was really tough but then you know most of the time you just focus on the work and you know it's just yeah it was tough I won't do it again. How was, uh, well, what do you mean you won't do it again?

Because the CW just picked up the professionals to air on the CW. Yes. Now, if it's a success, won't they want to do another series? Most likely, but there'll be some adjustments to security and location and duration. And all those things. What was Brendan Fraser like to work with? Oh. So first of all, amazing.

And his career is just on a, yeah. He's working with, he's taking off. He's working with your buddy Scorsese. Yeah. Um, yeah, my good buddy, Scorsesezzi, old Marty. I was a fan of Brendan. I mean, everybody's a fan of Brendan. And we get there and our characters,

I'm supposed to play this military guy who's only paid to protect him and doesn't really care about him. And his character was written in a way that should be that way. But then Brendan shows up to set and he's so damn likable and such a nice guy

that I found myself fighting caring about him as my character would. You know what I mean? Like in person, him and I got along. Great. like it was like it was seamless but I felt I was like I don't think my character should like him all this much I don't think he should be so it ease with him and so it was like a it's like a fun

fight right but he's just so he's so good at what he does I mean when does this air when is the professionals air in CW they haven't said but they made an announcement because I saw the they bought it they don't know when they're going to air it and you guys should watch the professionals there's a trailer out for it it looks pretty crazy it looks like you had it in an intense shoot we it doesn't look like it was fun it was fun once we started rolling right if you know what I mean yes yes getting to set being away from set was all very uh delusional like you just you didn't know where you were in time and space or or sort of what was going on but once you started filming the whole cast and crew was was fantastic but there was one of our characters who he's walking

down so basically think of the whole crew is is on this side, right? And they're filming this way and they're walking down a, like a, well, an African dirt road. And this guy's a band. He doesn't know where he is. And he's walking around. It's kind of funny. It's action funny is what this thing is. And literally, dude, without anybody knowing it, a giraffe comes out like 50 feet behind him on onto the dirt road. And the actor, Ken, who's this fantastic actor, turns around and sees a giraffe and uses it. And just starts being like, they kept it? Yeah.

And he's like, this is how crazy it is that I crash landed and I'm just walking on this dirt road. And I'm seeing this in, in like, in the, I watched the, I watched the pilot. I watched the film because I'm one of the producers as well. And I was like, I remember calling one of their producers because I wasn't there that day. And I was like, how did you get that giraffe to do that? They're like, oh, we that was not a plan. But this actor turned around saw a giraffe and just stayed with it. stayed with it and this guy can i mean he's a german guy he's a fantastic actor he speaks like

five languages and he dubs his character he's a german actor he will he dubs his performances in like french italian and english and obviously he speaks in german like nobody else dubs him in other countries he dubs himself he dubs himself like that's how that's crazy and he's a great actor yeah do you still love acting yeah you love it you love being on set you love acting. There's, you know, there's a thing about being on a television show and fighting the repetitiveness. Repetitiveness. I can't believe I said it. Thank you for saying it. That's part of the job is that part. But there's those times where you nail a scene or you're just in a moment and you walk away and like you can't go to sleep. It's like a drug. You know, it's like and you know, you may not

get that all the time, but you strive for that. But when you nail it, like, it's just like, it's a visceral but you definitely want to act for the rest of your life you like that you you love doing it you you you it excites you yeah the idea of it yeah not the idea of it i mean something like that but like like like it's not like because some people just i never want to do it again because some people just like you know i have a friend who's always just like i don't care what i'm doing i just as long as i'm acting where i'm not like that exactly i i don't want to do anything yeah you know i've heard you on your podcast have this discussion before yeah no i mean i have right and i and i get that you don't live for it and that's fine but when some when something comes along that you have to

i could see you immediately jumping up and getting right into it yeah and i think that's true that's okay that's why you see also you see a lot of actors who when they find success you see them for like five six years not to say it's not 10 or whatever but they like bust it out and then you don't see them for well well because maybe they're living their life again or now they're being more selective because they can or whatnot but i mean the the two projects that you and i have going you'd be out of your seat in two seconds to do just like I would so for sure for sure but that's because it's meaningful to you it's meaningful that's exactly right shit talking with tom welling uh these are questions oh good we're almost done well geez she you know that's the end well no but these are

my top tier patrons if you want to give back to the podcast if you're enjoying the podcast if you're enjoying the podcast if you like it you want to become a patron patron dot com slash inside of you it's awesome i'm a member he's a member there's a lot of patrons and they really give back to the podcast and i couldn't do the show without them. But here is the first question. Raj says, what's the longest you went wearing the same underwear during the pandemic? Oh, I'm not that guy. You change your underwear every day? I mean, if not twice. Yeah, I'm not a I'm, I get, yeah. You're not disgusting. No, like, I don't like being. I'm not like weird about being clean, but like I, I, I, yeah, I don't. Yeah. I've been stuck traveling and like, oh, man, I only brought one pair of socks and I'm here for

three days. And then you're like in the sink and you put them in the sunshine to get the scent off. I've done stuff. Things get musty. They get moldy. I'd keep myself clean. Yeah. Well, that starts with trimming down there like we talked about in the very beginning of this episode. Dana asks, as an adult, what is the most childish thing you catch yourself doing? Childish. I mean. Enjoying playing with your kids because it's like you get to play with toys. I mean, like, there's, I mean, if, like, burping and farting, it's not, but I don't, like, enjoy that. I mean, as much as you do. Who does?

But childish thing of just, like, there's times when, like, when you have kids, you start to evaluate what you do with your time and how much. Like, there is that sort of thing. And there's times where I'll be sitting there watching something on TV or doing nothing. I'm like, I'm literally wasting my time right now. But sometimes you need to waste your time. But isn't there something like? I don't play video games You don't play video games

Like I collect horror posters And memorabilia and things like that Is there any kind of like little thing you do like that You don't really You never kept anything off the set You never brought anything home And you know what? I wish I did

But then I did a show like Lucifer Where I was there for a season I didn't take any from that Like it does It doesn't interest you I don't it doesn't occur to me I almost need someone to tell me to do it Because when I'm at work

I'm just thinking about that I'm not thinking about after work Right I mean it's it's not even a consideration But, like, you know, now that I have kids, it's like, it'd be really cool to have some of that stuff. But again, that's not for me. It's for them. So I don't know if that's a difference.

Do you like being an adult? Do you ever, like, wish that you were young again? Do you ever wish you were like a teenager? Do you ever like, or you're just like, I'm moving forward? I'm very fortunate that I'm happier now than I've ever been. And I'm not just saying that. That's amazing. Like, even, like, people are like, the slippery slope of what would you have done to?

differently. I mean, there's a shitload I would do differently, but only if it got to got me to wear him now. If you know what I mean? You wouldn't want to change anything that would alter who you want now. If I could skip a couple things or change in other things, but then be right here right now, I would do that. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, there's a million things we would change. But then I'm in a happy place. If I wasn't in a happy place, I'm sure I could just go off. You could riff. You could just fucking rip. I could probably riff. Bob K. What classic film would you love to remake as an actor or director? It's funny. I tried to remake a classic film. Ray Leota did a movie called No Escape. I remember that movie

in the 90s. And I spent about two years trying to remake that. And in a different way, the problem was you can't remake that movie as it is now. You have to update it. And we couldn't quite crack how it would be different to remake it. But that and I'm a big fan of Westerns, like any Western. Would you do a Western in a second? Yeah. Yeah, that would be great. Westerns are so clear, like, they're so cinematic, and since I'm so clear as far as right and wrong and moral. And, you know, obviously, a lot of that's been changed.

I mean, they redid the Magnificent Seven recently. It didn't work because they just got away from the core element of what a Western is. They probably got away from character and likeability. It just became celebrity. like everybody looking good. Everybody being macho. Yeah. And if you go back to the Seventh Samurai, which that is basically, you know, the original magnificent stuff is based on, it's all characters.

It's Japanese film. I recommend it. What, Nico, what age would your kids need to be before you ask Michael to babysit them? Nico, you son of a bitch. I'd probably ask my kids to babysit you first. That could probably be the way to go. I think I'd be a great babysitter. You'd be fine.

I mean, you can't breastfeed right now. That's one thing with the younger one. You and Thompson would have a blast. You guys, he's the funniest person. He is hilarious. You're the second funniest person. I thought you were the first. Now you're the second.

My son is so funny. You want to hear a funny story? Yes. This literally happened the other day. And you can cut this if it's not funny. So I'm a member of a golf course here in Los Angeles. I'm there with my wife, my three-month-old, and my almost three-year-old son, Thompson.

And we're there with some other friends. Joe Pesci, who had told you made me late the other day to meeting you. Right. He comes over, because we're all friends. He's a golf buddy man. He comes over. Hey, Tommy, how you doing? Hey, Jessica.

You know, the whole day. And my son is standing, painting just like on paper. And he goes, hey, kid, how are you doing? And my son looks up and Joe's wearing this like a, not a baller's cap. And he's smoking a cigar. My son looks up. He goes, what are you a cowboy? Oh, my God.

And Joe looks at me. He goes, what are you? wise guy? No. It was like one, two, and my son just starts strong again. Everybody else just fucking dies. I've never said to my son, what are you a cowboy? I've no idea where he gets that.

He looked at Joe Pesci and he goes, what are you a cowboy? What are you a wise guy? Totally, dude. Were you dying? Dude, we were all like, that's fucking hilarious. Joe was, he laughed in his way. Like, yeah, he thought it was great. Well, he just loves kids.

What are you painting your thing? You're throwing offensive comments? It's so completely honest, you know what I mean? Kids are so honest. But anyway, that's what I said, like the funny thing. And my son is, I just, I can't get enough of it. He's amazing. Leanne P. says, what lessons has being a dad taught you? I mean, you've answered that in so many ways. Well, one of them is patience. One of his is like time and like scheduling, but also like priorities. Because I have a tendency that I can spin out. And not spin out in a way. Like, when we moved, I found myself trying to do like 10 things in one day. And my wife was like, okay, let's just slow down a little bit and let's prioritize. And one of the things she said, it's going to take a year for us to move into this house.

Right. So let's just focus on, you know, this room or this, that. We kind of, you know, we have a lot outside. We're like, we're going to wait to do that. We're going to wait for the garage. We just prioritized. And so I think I've gotten better at that because I have a tendency to try to like, do 10 things at once and anything you read about being productive tells you you can only do

one thing at one time like every book says that same thing yeah um however there's a lot of things wrong with me or that are slightly unhealthy in life that totally work on set juggling 15 things at once focusing moving on there there's something about that that kind of works on set there is that thing and that's that's why like some some people can really do well on set and can't do one life and vice versa and then you get people like tom hanks who like they can do everything so i don't know you know it would be fun which probably will never happen i don't think it would ever happen but to get together with the entire cast for like a dinner or something or a gathering wouldn't that be fun i mean i haven't seen

it's it kind of a burp i tried to what's the what's the word i tried to hide it and swallow it stifle stifle hide yes all those things but I always thought that would be kind of cool to see John and Annette and Glover and Kristen and you and me and a couple other the cast members to just you know to just sort of be in a room together it's been so long well part of the fun thing we just did it recently we saw Alan and Sam who I mean I haven't seen and since the show on Richon who was Aquaman on the show and now he saw Sam Jones he's going to be Jack Reacher he's going to be Jack Reacher and it's like it's so funny how you pick up

right where you stopped and it's like sitting down at dinner would i don't know maybe not dinner but maybe drinks in a bar atmosphere just like running into each other it's so much fun because there's a there's a there's a there's a i've said this before to you i don't know if it was on this podcast or not but there's a trust that is like forged on set that doesn't go away yeah like there's other actors that you mean and because you work with this person you can walk right up to them and talk to him and you haven't seen them forever yeah and then that's true and then like their husbands or their wives are like, who the fuck is this guy who just walked up and you're talking to like this?

Who do you miss the most that you haven't seen in a long time that you like, you like seeing them or you'd like to just at least, or that person? Probably, I've really only seen Schneider once. Yeah. And I just, he was such a big part of mine and Clark's journey. You know, the hand on the shoulder and like, that was all his thing. The whole John Wayne. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Schneidy. Schneidy. I'd like to see a net. It's been a long time since I've seen Annette. I mean, I wouldn't, it's not like I wouldn't want to see any of them.

It's hard to prioritize them. Yeah, it's true. It's like, what's your favorite movie? Like, I don't have favorites. Yeah. Well, you do. You're sitting across from them. But, um, but look, we do the cons together.

We do these Smallville nights. If you guys ever get a chance to come out and visit, uh, we're doing one. This podcast will probably be aired. after. Well, we have more to do. I mean, we have... Yeah, we have other cons that we go. So look us up and come to a smallville nights, come see us. We always have a lot of fun. What's the most thing? The biggest thing you love about going to the cons. So I spent a lot of years on smallville. We dealt with a lot. Because the show was successful, we were, you know, we were asked to do a lot of press. And one of the

things about press is like they're always trying to kind of like find out what's bad or, you know, they're trying to figure out who you are when, you know, I don't find myself all that interesting or don't feel like I have a lot to share. But when you go to the cons, you're meeting fans and they express you what the show meant to them in their own way. And it's like, man, it's awesome. Like, I just want to hear their stories. I mean, and especially a show like Smallville,

which, you know, people watch with their parents or their dads and their moms. And some of those people now don't have their moms and dads or whoever they watched it with. And they're there and they share that story. And it's so moving because we weren't thinking about that when we're filming. Or when we meet service members who, I remember this one guy, in an airport came out to me and he's in his fatigues and I don't know if he was coming home or going overseas and he was like hey man you're that smallville guy and I was like uh

I mean yeah he goes man I got to tell you my sister sent me a box of DVDs and that was the last goddamn shit we watched but man we enjoyed it thank you and I was like what thank me I mean I got chills right now I'm like thank me something like thank you and and it was I'm glad they got to it yeah exactly but yeah but it distracted to them. It's an escape. And that's what TV does. That's what movies do. That's what entertainment does. So, you know, a lot of times we think we're doing something that's trivial and stupid and whatever and it's not a big deal, but it affects other people. That's how I feel about this. Yeah. And I thank you for doing this. I think you for doing this. By the way, I probably asked you this a million times, but some time down

the road if they asked you to be Superman. I think, you know, there was a, there's a, it wasn't, especially during Smallville, it wasn't about being Superman or not. It was only being Clark Kent on Smallville, but they did some Superman movies. They were never going to shut down Smallville for me to even do one, right? It's just a different thing. DC movies and DC television are very different things, and that's all fine. And then when Smallville ended,

I was very anti-playing Superman, but now as I get older, I'm like, oh, maybe, I mean, yes, I think. it would be fun and I think I would like to think that I could add an element that maybe hasn't been there for a while as far as like maybe Superman's not so detached. Maybe he's not such an alien. Maybe he's more, maybe there's an element of, you know, my favorite scene is when Superman goes into the cafe doesn't have his powers, he gets beat up, then he comes back with his powers and how does he and how he deals with that. I think that element may need to come back in a little bit. And it would be fun. And again, you know, listen, the other thing about when

your friends have kids, they just talk about your kids. We had friends over last night with similar age kids. We were like two hours into the night. My buddy's like, so how are you? Because it was just kids, kids. And it's fantastic. I could tell you had plans, by the way, because I was just like, yeah, so I'm in the area. And you're like, all. Cool. I'll see you tomorrow. I'm like, I was going to stop by the night. Well, I mean, you're always welcome. I know. I know. I don't am. But I think that having my boys now, I kind of have to get over myself a little bit. Like, how cool would it be?

For dad, too. But by the way, how cool would it be for all the people for 10 years that watched small of them, watched you becoming Superman over the years to down the road see that Superman now? Well, from what I... That's a unique thing that no one can do other than you. Or have done. Right. Playing that for 10 years.

and then going in and playing Superman. Yeah. Maybe there's a thing, you know, maybe who knows? I always say, you know, no one's ever asked me to play Lex. Maybe I'm not old enough to play Lex, although Jesse Eisenberg is not that old either. But maybe I'll be a better Lex when I'm, like, in my 50s. Well, there's also this thing that they're doing,

that they started doing in television, these multiverse things, which now the films are embracing. And so you could have five different guys playing Superman in the same movie. You know, I think the Batman movie's coming out. There's like, yeah. There's people coming back from the old films and whatnot. I think the film, television always wants film people involved. I think film is slowly allowing television people in.

There's still a, even though viewership, I don't think cares because they don't care if you're in a movie or on television. They're watching on their iPads anyway. You know what I mean? Like, they don't care. But I think that there's, you know, I think it'd be cool. Last question. Trivia question.

How many times has Ryan watched the Smallville series? series. That reaction? I think you're trying to pretend like you haven't watched it. I'm not pretending. He's never seen it. I've never seen it. He's never seen one episode.

Not one. I haven't seen a frame. That's probably good. Yeah, start it. You might just like it. Oh, you're not saying that. I'm not saying. It's probably good.

You haven't seen it. It's probably good that these stories then you're like, oh, what are they talking about? I mean, that's all new to me. We did that on Smallville. Yeah. I didn't know. who Marshman Hunter was. I didn't know what these people were. People were educating me. They're like, this is so-and-so. I didn't know what the fuck was going on in general. It's better when

you don't know. It's better when you don't know things. You're going to learn about it when you watch the show. Shout out to your friend, Amanda's friend. Oh, yeah. Dave. Dave, Dave Lewis. Big shout out to you. Tom Sahela, Dave Lewis. Hey, Dave Lewis. Hey, Dave's watched the series six or seven times. I know you're listening. I just want to give a shout out to Dave Lewis. I thought it'd be funny. It's just an inside. Anyway, Dude, thank you for allowing to be inside of you. I loved it. I mean, it's so easy just to talk to you.

This is, we're all, the only difference between this and like any other time is we're just recording it. We're just recording it. This is what we do anyway. And we don't swear as much. That's fucking true. Jeez. F. Bomb galore. I love you, dude.

This is awesome. And you haven't farted once. Uh, if I had to, I would have. Nope, nothing now. Thanks, guys. You know, we never know what we're going to talk about when we start talking. And we just, we talk and hopefully people give a shit. That's what you hope.

You hope that people continue to tune in. A lot of times we have new guests, but sometimes we have guests that, you know, I just like having on. Like Kristen Krooks coming back, Brandon Ralph, you know, Tom Welling, Jensen Ackles, Jared Padalecki, Stephen Amel. There's certain people, Zach Levi, that I have on more than once, that I even like to have on once a year. Who's your favorite, you think, this year? recurring or just a favorite i think in general oh boy um i remember you like billy magninson i think i did like billy magnusin i think you also liked uh nick frost i like nick frost uh ozi tis five was a really good one um jesus ernie hudson was this year ernie hudson was really good wasn't you

believe that wow yeah that seems like an eternity ago i know oh ernie thank you for coming on thank you to all my guests are coming on. And thank you again for listening to this podcast. There's so many choices you have. And the fact that you choose mine, the fact that my patrons are giving to the podcast and keeping it going is remarkable. So thank you, Cumulus. Thank you, Ryan, my man right here. Giving a thumbs up. Thumbs up. Thank you, Bryce, my producer. Thank you, Jason. Jason, my man, my main man. Thank you, man, for editing the shows. And again, have a happy holidays. Want to give a shout out to some organizations, foodonfoot.org, helping the homelessness. If you want to donate, foodonfoot.org, I'm sorry, foodonfoot.org, yeah, for the homeless homelessness that's going on in Los Angeles.

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year. Thank you for making this show a priority. Ryan, I hope you've enjoyed it. I have. Sorry, I bumped the mic. You are right there, bud? I'm good. Yeah, Ryan's good. Ryan's good. Are you doing anything for the holidays? You're going away. Going away. I'm going to go to Hawaii. That's right. Going to Hawaii for a wedding and sing some Amanda's family. Yep. That'll be great. We'll have a great time, man. Be safe. I will come back a new man. A different person. You'll come back a different person. Hopefully you'll come back. Thank you all for allowing me to get inside of you this year and we've got another great podcast coming up next week so don't miss out uh i think you're going to really enjoy it and um from myself michael rosenbaum

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