Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Smile’s KYLE GALLNER and SOSIE BACON: Building Chemistry

Episode Date: November 1, 2022

Kyle Gallner (Outsiders, Smallville) and Sosie Bacon (13 Reasons Why) join me this week to talk about the genius of their new horror film SMILE and what went into the project to get it bumped into theaters from its streaming origins. On top of talking about the twists and turns on and off the screen with Smile, Kyle and Sosie talks about what sorts of insecurities and nerves they carry with them going into every role. Sosie clears up misconceptions about her parents’ (Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick) role in her desire to become an actor and what it was like growing up with negative influences in Manhattan. Kyle shares his suburban bad boy roots and talks about how the stigma around actors performing in horror roles has been obliterated nowadays. Thank you to our Sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/insde 🦎 Geico: https://geico.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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yes she got the mask on the michael mire's mask on oh wait jason voorhees jason vorhe's mask on she was walking around in it i hope that uh jason kept that edit in there um but it was fun well she sat down immediately and started playing guitar some uh carol king carol king so far away just out right out the gate came in the room and started doing that i just loved nobody has ever done loved it loved her energy and you have a lot of guitar players in here sometimes and they resist but yeah right she's fun she's feisty she's adorable um yeah really really liked her and i love kyle and galner kyle was awesome we love you kyle he was on smallville with me um he's done so much he's got some great stuff to talk about We get into it.

So without further ado, let's just do it. Let's get inside of Kyle Gowler and Sosie Bacon. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. It would be so fun. to see your face at my door but it doesn't help to know

you're just time away long ago I reached for you and there you were holding you again could only do me good or how I wish I could but you're so far away. One more song about moving along the highway.

Can't say much of anything that's new. If I could only work this life out my way, I'd rather spend it being close to you. But you're so far away. away doesn't okay yeah it's really really low it's really low off the cuff I did it not off the cuff with the with the cords in front of me I can't read music no but you want to musical theater what do you mean I went to musical school musical you know what do you call it you didn't well I mean I went to like a summer program at NYU where we were like da nah nah but nothing I didn't learn musical theater really

Were you a good student? Just cracking my Red Bull? I gave her a Red Bull. So happy. Like she needs one, Kyle. Kyle, imagine if I needed a Red Bull. I am like the most, like, kinetically energetic. What do you think, Kyle?

Do I think you need a Red Bull? Do you think I have a lot of energy or do you think I'm more like down? I think you have a lot of energy. I think it's perfect. It's not overwhelming. Kyle has a lot of energy. And then he said, and then randomly later he'll be like, I was really sick the whole time. and I was exhausted and I wouldn't even know.

I had Lyme disease. No, I know, but I'm saying. Wait, you had Lyme disease, Kyle? I wouldn't have even known because he was so. Yeah, when I went in for my wardrobe fitting and my prep and my rehearsal and stuff, like a couple days before that I was like, I'm starting to feel not so good. And then I found out I had Lyme's disease. And then he just killed it every single fucking day.

Were you exhausted? I was on antibiotics by the time we were shooting. And Ritalin. No, I'm just kidding. So you're off at night. now? I mean, you don't have Lyme disease anymore? No, I'm good. I'm done. I mean, because Lyme disease is something that could last a long time if you don't, you know. It's like a gamble. Some people have it for like the rest of their lives, like a version of it. It's really weird. It's a really, really weird, weird thing. You know, what's funny is I was told that I had Lyme disease. I was tired. I was this. I was that. And so my friend. So she just dropped the Red Bull all over the place. And well, now that's dripping. It's okay. Just get a.

towel you're it's fine okay this is how it goes so the Lyme disease they told me I you know I want you to see my friend she's a doctor and you know so they did all these tests they have to do a certain test and they she said you have Lyme disease and you eat all this and I was like I don't know so she started giving me these shots and all the stuff and then I went to the head guy at Cedars Cedars Cedars Cedars of infectious diseases and I told I gave him the test results he goes you don't have blind disease. She just like, so she lied? You just don't have it.

It's like these tests could come positive. These tests that they do aren't even accurate. They think they're at. It's a big controversy over it. But I just listened to him because he went to med school and all the stuff. So I just said, you know, screw it. But anyway, back to you guys. So listen.

Turn out you're just really bored. Yeah. Well, you know. You got your headphones? Yep, yep, yep. We're back. Okay. So guys, as you could see in my room, Kyle, you can't see it.

But I've got the lost boys poster. By the way, Alex, Alex Winner's coming in after you guys, Alex Winner. What? Yeah, Bill and Ted's, he's great. He's the guy in the back. Hell yeah. He was the other guy, I'm Bill and Ted's. But I have Fright Night, Evil Dead, aliens, the thing.

I'm a big horror movie fan. And most horror movies suck. I mean, I have watched, I have spent countless dollars with horror movie nights with my friends, and we just, we watched them, and we're like another six bucks wasted. Yep, six bucks. $5.99 for a rental, whatever. Got, I got it.

And so I have to meet. Are you going to? Yeah, I'm like, what the far? I know. Well, first of all, I didn't know you were in it, Kyle, and we'll get to have we met in a minute. There is a $5 Tuesdays in Glendale. Really?

Sorry. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. But I went to see Smile, and I didn't know you were in it, Kyle. Hmm. And I wrote this down because I, anyone who listens to this podcast knows I'm a big horror or not.

Yeah. just they know it and i'm always upset because ryan you know there's just not many good ones like i just said it but this movie was not only scared me at times but what a lot of horror movies don't do is they establish sort of a character and a relationship and by the time the movie's 10 minutes in you don't give a shit usually but i cared about you and then i i i began to slowly care about you as because because you don't come in till i mean you kind of like come in and then you're like oh oh shit i won't give it anything away you can give it away now it's out spoiled no no people have to go see this especially if you like horror movies yeah this work this is one of the few out

there that works and is it is it the number one movie out right now um i think that Halloween beat it this past weekend which fair i get it it's been around you shouldn't get it because i i honestly yeah i mean they're the worst movies ever made right but you know what i mean it's such a classic and everybody wants to go and whatever classically bad but it was number one in two weeks in a row. Yeah. We had a, a, what we call it when you binge on all the movies, a, um, oh, fuck. Yes, marathon.

A marathon of all the Nightmare and Elm Street. Yeah. All the Fred of 13th and all the Halloween. And out of like, out of like 12 Halloween's, it was like maybe two that were pretty good. I know. And it's like, they keep doing it. And you're like, but people just, it's Halloween. You got to go see Halloween.

you have to go see it. They're genius. Yeah, but also the, so Halloween is like the only franchise I haven't watched because when I was a little kid I was so afraid of it. He's my brother tortured me with the mask. So I've never even seen the original. Really? Yeah. See, that's a good one. But I've seen, yeah, I mean, I need to probably go back. Also, your Napoleon dynamite bobblehead. That's what I spotted. Do you know he's

in my horror movie nights? What do you mean? John Heater. He plays Napoleon. He's one of my best friends. Yeah. Okay. Well, I love him. And he kind of talks like that sometimes. Like what? I'll sit there and go, Jesus, this movie's terrible. And he'll go,

are you talking like me? And I'll go, yeah? He goes, you're just jealous because Lex Luthor doesn't have a distinct voice. Oh my God,

that's so funny. Yeah, we got alpacas this year. My parents got them and I was like, I feel it. Your parents have alpacas? Yep.

Rescue alpacas, which I didn't even know that was the thing. Anyways, moving on. So why did you like it? Like, did it scare you? I always want to know what people feel. You know, it makes your skin crawl at times.

You know, that scene where you're in the room and then all of a sudden the girl's just standing there smiling at you. And then, you know, you kind of like, oh, my God, what's happening? And what she does next is pretty, it's just like the build. Like there's a bill. There's not just a sound that makes you go, oh, a jump scare. It was, it was sort of refreshing. Got it.

And you went through a lot with your character. I mean, those movies are not easy to do or pull off. And you've got to pull off that you're not crazy, but you're crazy, but you're not crazy. Totally. It's so hard. I think it's probably one of like, well, Kyle, do you think I probably think that playing anxiety, even though I'm always anxious in life, is probably one of the hardest. And I've always felt that way. Like, it's one of the hardest acting things because it's like, I don't know why I can.

be sad or happy or whatever but anxious is hard so that so yeah it's tough it's tough do you guys i'll ask you know do you trust does it take you time to trust the director because when you're being so vulnerable you're like do i look like an idiot doing this is this real is this or do you just let go and they've learned to just say hey i'm going to do my part and he'll tell me if it's bad well i think kyle the thing that i loved about kyle like right off the bat which clearly as like when you watch the movie there's such a connection between us there's such a chemistry and energy like a real like we're playing ball you know what I mean we have like a super you know whatever um and by the way everyone chemistry if you don't get like it's not like you

need camp like you it's not like chemistry off screen I mean we're friends but I'm saying like if one person is a good actor and the other person's not it won't look like there's chemistry Right. You know, as long as both people are good actors, it will. You know what I mean? Or they're committed, really committed. Yes, exactly. And, like, and also we, like, really got along, like, as friends.

But anyways, so I think what I loved about Kyle is that I can tell he's the type of actor. I can tell that he is the type of actor who has been working long enough to know how to make stuff. And this has nothing to do with smile, but stuff that isn't written well or difficult directors and still kill it. not that Parker was difficult, not that it wasn't written well, just that those types of actors are the ones that can do anything, you know what I mean? So I came in, and so did Kyle, I think, as I call it director proof,

as in no matter what the director's doing, you can do your job. And I think that it took me a little while to light and let up on that a little bit. And then once I did, I understood, like Parker had such a vision and was so specific and was amazing. just that I think I was a bit, I'm just, I don't trust any directors at first.

Maybe you don't trust people at first. Well, definitely not. Well, I also think, you know, you come into a film like this and when you deal with directors or people who have such a specific vision, there is this learning curve where at the beginning you feel like you're in a bit of a box because it's like, well, you have to hit point A, B, and C because this is how the camera's working and we're not going to follow you around and we're not going to do these things.

You can't just be natural. There's such a specific way this movie was shot that I don't want to say you're at mercy of the camera and at mercy of the vision, but you kind of are because you're there as you're there to tell this story and have, you know, and to show this director's vision. And that can get a little, that can get a little tricky, especially at the top just because you're like,

oh, so I can't walk to this side of the room. I have to be right here. It's like, yeah, you have to be right here. And with Sosie, you know, what Sosie was saying or has said before, there's a lot of like directly into the lens type of stuff, which automatically kind of puts you in a strange space. Kyle is so good. So I don't know if you came in director proof as much as I think it's just.

No, I'm saying we are. It's like this or like a learning curve of like, what are we making? I'm sorry, I'm more saying director proof as in if we did have a terrible director. We would be able to still do a good job. He wasn't at all. He was great. It's just that I know. But Kyle, okay, he is the best at those things that are awkward as an actor, you know, like exposition, best person at exposition I've ever seen in my life.

I don't know how he does it. Makes it sound natural, makes it sound interesting. Somehow you're forgetting its exposition. If he needed to look down the lens, it wasn't this whole, like, drama. You know how, like, acting is basically feeling like a buffoon? Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Doing a horror movie like that, you feel like a buffoon the whole time because, for me, at least, and I'm more insecure about it. Like, so I was like, I don't want to go out, blah, you know what I mean?

So, that's all. Did you think, did you think it was going to be a success like this or were you just kind of playing a park going, hey, all right, this guy's cool and got a vision? And I don't know if this is, did you honestly think, I don't know if this is going to work. I'm just doing it. It was never supposed to go to theater. Yeah, no. no we made this for we made this for paramount plus for the for for tv it was no we did not think and they loved it so much that they put it in theaters it tested so well that they put it in theaters and by the way that's only happened with one other movie i've heard by the way kyle i mean we met because you did smallville yeah you were the flash and you came back and you came back and uh we had some fun and you know i always liked you was was acting something you always wanted you was acting something you always wanted you always wanted wanted to do since you were a young kid or how'd you had you get into that yeah it wasn't anything that i necessarily like thought about you know it was never i was never one of those kids who grew up being like this is my dream i um i really just fell into it my sisters were um pursuing dance like

you know ballet and and all that stuff and um so our family was more on that route but because of that she went to a performance arts camp uh she went to interlock and which I think is in New York. And she got a little bit of an acting bug because you had to do a theater performance. And so somebody pointed us in the direction of a, like a talent manager in Philadelphia. And we just all went.

And I ended up like reading a commercial for them. And they sent me out to my first audition that weirdly happened to be at an agency. And I had no idea what I was doing, but they asked me and my mom to stay. and then they asked if they if we had representation and we didn't even know what that meant so like I got an I got an agent off of my first audition like it was like this weird sort of snowball thing and then as I got older and started you know watching movies and taking classes and really

pursuing it I just I made the decision right before I turned 18 that this is what I was going to do like I had no higher educational goals I was sitting there I was like I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do you know everybody's getting ready for college I'm like I have like a two five I'm not getting dude I had a two four or two two two yeah I felt like an old I felt like an old

report card not longer ago and I was like thank God I didn't I was not a smart child yeah no man so I I ended up just doing that and then, you know, falling in love with it as it went and really just decided to make a go of it. So it was pure dumb luck. But somebody said that you followed your sister to an audition. Yeah. So she, that's the thing. She went to that talent manager in Philadelphia. And we were just there. I'm one of four kids. What does she do now? Yeah. What does your sister do now? Real estate. So when you, so wait, Kyle, when you like got on set for the first time and stuff like, to work. How old were you? 14. And so like, do you remember it? Was it like, whoa? Or was it like when?

Yeah. It was, it was kind of, like there's few, there's, there's, there's a handful of times in your life when you get to walk into something that is just so new and so different and that you have no, I had no concept of what I was doing other than I could say lines and make them sound real when I was young. And that's, you know, I didn't have any skill sets. I had. I hadn't gone to class. I hadn't really studied or learned anything. I was just a kid who could talk, I guess, and they liked me for it. Inside of you is brought to you by Quince. I love Quince, Ryan. I've told you this before. I got this awesome $60 cashmere sweater. I wear it religiously. You can get all sorts of amazing, amazing clothing for such reasonable prices. Look, cooler temps are

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Rocket Money. It just kind of happened. It sounds like this just kind of happened. Yeah, it did. And actually, like, the first set I was ever on where people really took me under their wing was Smallville. Wow.

I was really, really taken care of on that set, and people showed me the camera and showed me around. People were very, very good to me on that set. So how old were you? I learned a lot actually being there. Yeah, how old were you? Man, I was, my mom was still with me. so I wasn't old enough to be there by myself.

So I had to be 15, 16. Oh, my God. And you were 30? Oh, my God. He's my little brother. And so were people nice on the closer? Just kidding. I'm just kidding, Kyle.

Yeah, I worked with your mom on the closing. No, but, wait. Okay, so he was 15 and you were 30 and you were, was it out here in L.A.? No, it was in Vancouver. Oh, God. Okay. And did you, so you went with your mom and you stayed at like a hotel or an apartment or something? Sutton Place, baby.

Sutton Place Hotel, Mom. I didn't know they put kids. It's a little, you know. Well, wait a minute, because Sosie, and it's funny because the first thing I think of when I think of your name, first of all, I thought it was Sosie. Yeah, I know. SoCi's on a vacation far away. How many times have you heard that?

No, never. Soci's on a vacation far away. Come around and talk it over. I never knew that was Sosie. That I say Sosie. Oh, thank God. I was losing my fucking money. I was like Sosie the whole time.

Nobody ever said that to you, Sosie's never? No, but like, like, like, like, like, Losey's. Like, Kais are so, so serious. I don't know, but I don't know, people don't really, that's, I've never heard that before. Wow, well, you are original. You're welcome, you're welcome. Really, your parents didn't want you to act.

No. They really, I mean, I can understand. Because they knew what Hollywood was, they'd seen the good, they'd seen a lot of the bad. Yeah. Did they really try to keep you away from it? No, I think that's like a very, it's a story that's been like,

kind of like telephone, you know what I mean? Like one article said, it and then another one and it's funny this person was asked me that day like so did what did they like knock scripts out of your hand and I'm like no it wasn't like they were that against it they just didn't say either way they wanted me to figure it out on my own but that being said the reason I said that when I was like 19 or whenever the fuck I said that is that I saw I think and this is still true I saw how like unglamorous and sort of painful it can be to be an actor and I therefore never idolized it or it wasn't like this dreamy thing that I was like

working towards like I just want to be a star and be on a movie like it wasn't like that for me and I don't know if that's an annoying thing to say but that's just what's true I saw the bad side of it as well well your parents I mean Kira Sedgwick and Kevin Bacon I mean classic Friday the 13th I mean Friday the 13th the horror movie the knife through the chest remember yeah of course the neck the neck the neck the neck the great cg on that one see oh yeah great but they seem i i don't know if i'm right but they seem the most normal owes as you can be as a couple in hollywood they have withstood the test of time in a lot of ways yeah and they've stayed together right yeah yeah yeah no yes they have no sorry i'm not doing any reveals i mean i don't know

i don't have like a metric for normal were you around celebrities big celebrities your whole life? No, no, no. They kept you away from that. We know, like, we just lived in New York. So, like, I grew up in the city in Manhattan. So, like, for New York, it's not cool to be an actor or a producer. It's just not. Like, it's, it's cool. Like, it's not what all the rich kids do, parents do. Like, you know what I'm saying? Out here, it's more of a thing. So no, I wasn't around big celebrities ever. I think I met Howard Stern once. And I was like, oh, my God, because we listened to Howard Stern from when I was, like, four years old in the house. I was like, I remember so inappropriate.

Like, it was always on. So I thought he was cool. But I did know. I did not. It wasn't like that. Really? It wasn't like what, like, maybe Willow Smith's life is probably like. You know what I mean?

Like, those kids are real, like, their parents are celebrities and have kind of chosen to put them out there. Yeah. But like, with us, we didn't. No, I don't. Were you like, once you're old enough, did you start going, I'm going to watch everything they've done? I got to see my parents and everything.

No, I'm not a fucking loser. Why, you don't want to see her, dude. No, I have not. Maybe I'll do that tonight, a marathon. No. A marathon, yeah, do it. I didn't watch it when I was younger because honestly, weirdly, like, I tried to watch, I watched Balto, which is an animated movie that he voices.

He animated dog movie? Yes, it's a, it's, but he voices the fucking Balto, my dad. I didn't see Balto. It's called Balto. Yeah, you need to watch that. No, I'm kidding. It's just like a Disney movie that, like, nobody's, scene. But I watched that because my dad was like, you should watch at least one movie when I was a

kid. And it upset me so much when like anyone was mean to the animated dog that was like his voice. It wasn't even. So from then on, I just didn't. I haven't watched them. I want to watch Sturve echoes because is that similar to this. Struve echoes is dark. Yeah. That's a good one. But that's like kind of the same. It's just him the whole time, blah, blah, blah. I think so. It's been a long time since I've seen it. Got it. But that is. Yeah. That's, but yeah, you seem pretty normal. I mean, I didn't, it's funny because I just watched the movie and I was just like, oh my God, Kyle, I got to get kind on the podcast. And I go, and I got to get this girl, she's great because I didn't know you. I mean, and then I looked, looked you up and I go, oh my gosh,

look at that. That's the daughter of so and so, too, and she's super talented. That's a good thing then. Yeah, I had no idea. But Kyle, am I normal? Kyle, is she normal? Be honest. Be honest. I don't know of an actor can be normal. Neither of us are normal. I was going to say there's like a sliding scale of normal. I wouldn't consider myself particularly normal. No, he's not. He's not normal at all. Neither of us are normal. I will say that you have, you grow a tremendous mustache. Thank you. Yes, you do. It's unbelievable. How I can't grow anywhere else. Look at me. This is, this is forever. It's just disgusting. No, but this is this is, this is it. It's like musketeer time all the time. There's never anything here, nothing here. It's only a mustache and the camera loves Kyle's face. Like,

You know people who's just like, their faces just work on camera. Yeah. Kyle. It does. Your face works too. My face. I mean, yeah, sure. Maybe.

But I'm, it's hard for me to be, it's hard for me to be like objective about my own stupid face. But Kyle's, yeah. Kyle's for sure. Were you guys, do you guys ever deal with, because I talk to other actors about this, do you deal with anxiety? Do you deal with not only anxiety, but do you deal it when you're working, when you're like, when you first get a role, are the nerves going? You're like, I want to be great. Do you? I've got to be great.

Fuck, yeah. Of course. We all do. Matthew McCona, he was just talking about how he gets nervous. And you feel like you're going to get fired. Do you? I mean, what goes through your mind? Table reads?

The worst. Table reads are the worst. You think, I've never been fired from a table read, but my friend, John Heeter from he was fired off a table read. So did Scoot. Scoot got fired off a table read. Twice. Twice.

Sad. Also, I did a pilot. Want to know this. I did a pilot for sci-fi. The magician's pilot. six months I waited to hear if it got picked up, fired. And the show went. They didn't tell you to late?

Maybe they didn't know. I don't know. You look like you're missing an arm. Sorry, I'm so weird physically. What about you, Kyle? Do you get anxiety or you get nervous or you get? Yeah, I think the day you don't get nervous is the day you don't care. And I think that's a problem.

You know what I mean? I think you should always be a little within reason. You know, if it's like crippling, I mean, I, you know, from one set to the other, I'm sure things are going to be more nerve-wracking. But, yeah, I still get nervous. I get anxious. I still get excited that first day you're going to walk on. And, you know, especially like what you're talking about, that weird earlier, like, that weird thing of like, say you do get just an offer and you have a fucking idea that's left of center and you show up that first day and nobody's ever seen you do it.

That's really, that's pretty nerve-wracking. Yeah. Or you can't get the lines out and you just keep stumbling. and it's in your head. And you're like, I'm sorry. Guys, fuck. It's my bad dream all the time. I never say sorry, though.

I don't ever want to be that vulnerable to them. I just want to, I'm angry. But I don't get angry with them. That's called straight white male privilege. No, I'm just going to. No, I just go. Not saying sorry. No, it's not that I'm not yelling at anybody.

I'm totally. I'm at myself. I'm like, come on, what the fuck? I'm just joking because we always say sorry. What the fuck's the line? I'm sorry. I do say I'm sorry. You do.

Oh, God. Wait, so, Kyle, I have a question for you real quick. Did you feel like this part was like a challenge for you? Because that didn't seem like it. You know, I think every part's a challenge. To me, the challenge and the thing that I wanted to accomplish was what me and you were on the same page with when we stepped in there. It was like, we have a small window to establish these two and their past

and what they've been through. And that will allow us to make the interesting choices we want to make further down the road. So that to me was sort of my, my kind of not fear going in, but the thing that I really wanted to make sure, you know, that I was most nervous about is, you know, because I didn't know you, we hadn't met yet. I didn't know how you wanted to operate. And then when we got there and we spoke and we rehearsed, you know, we were both very much on the same page of how do we, how do we make these two, you know, and establish the relationship. Because the other thing that me and so see wanted to

accomplish was we wanted to at least try to find a little bit of humor in something that was so fucking dark dark and i think two people who know each other and each other's bullshit so well going through a situation like this i think can be kind of naturally sort of funny you know what i think uh it was unique in the way that you've seen like a secondary character right off the bat you seem like oh you know it's the ex okay i'm like oh kyle he has a nice scene in the movie that's great and you know i love kyle yeah dinner in america was wonderful. He was freaking amazing and that you guys have to go see dinner in America.

I tweeted about it, whatever. It's great. It's Napoleon Dynamite on acid. Yeah. It's on Hulu right now. It's on Hulu. Watch it. And also I got to see Charlie says. Oh, I mean, okay. Matt Smith. Yeah, no, no. It's a good movie actually. Yeah. It actually is. I love that stuff. It's a weird scary fucking movie, but go ahead.

It's about Charles Manson, right? Yeah, I played Patricia Crenwin. She was one of the ones convicted. Yep. Of doing the murders. Yes. You have that mischievous. kind of look. Do I really? I have a little bit of a culty vibe, especially with long dark hair. Yeah, you do have a little culty vibe on it. You got a culty aesthetic. Yeah, when said they put like long brown extensions in, I was like, okay, culty. Anyways, go on. Sorry. Um, oh, so what I like is that this character, and you have to be likable right off the bat. We have to sort of like, you like, oh, all right, all right. And it's funny how her own, is it your fiancee? Your fiance

doesn't really believe her and he's just not supportive and it's just like he's trying to so you understand where he's coming from like like I would think that to him like oh my gosh I'm with a woman who's out of her mind I don't know what to do and he gives up on her and she has no place to go other than to you and I thought that was a really cool little twist there and it worked and it kind of propelled the movie and you were with you guys and and me and Kyle are actually that codependent no no but I'm no but no but But, like, do you know the people that, like, Kyle and I are both the type of people that would be like, if I called him and I was like, look, we got to bury a body? Like, you know what I mean?

Wait a minute, what? No, I'm just saying. Nothing says team building, like, getting rid of a body. No, but you know how, like, the character of Trevor, my fiancé, he's got, like, boundaries and, like, a life plan and stuff. Kyle and I think, like, in the movie and in real life are kind of like, I don't know, what do you think, Kyle? I mean, save me. It sounds like I'm crazy when I'm saying this. No, I think there's, you know, again, like JT, you know, playing, playing that fiancé role,

I think that's more of a logical place. You know, I think more people would veer that way than the way that Joel went, but I'm much more of a Joel in real life anyway. Like, if somebody comes to me and says some crazy shit, I'm like, whatever, like, let's go. Like, if I was like, look, I need to move in with you and your wife in Vermont and your kids. He would be like, okay. Like, I honestly, would you really say okay? If what?

Tell me. If she wanted to move in with you and your wife for a while. And their kids. No, no, there's no way. She wouldn't. You'd have to ask your wife and she'd say, what are you talking about? I'd have to ask my wife, but I honestly think my wife would say yes. I know that he would.

Like, I would say yes. I live alone. I love, okay, that's fine. I love this house. It's sick. Thank you. It is, I like this house. It is, it is fun.

Can I try this on? You can totally, do you want to try it on? Really? Yeah, take it off. She's going to put the, it's Halloween. This is airing pretty much on Halloween. It's spooky season. So go ahead and put the Friday of the 13th mask on.

I want to come over and see how. Oh, there you go. Hang on a second. Hang on. Did you, were you guys rebellious growing up in terms of like, you could see how. Yeah.

Look, for me, my parents were sure. I talked about my dysfunction. You know, no one really listened to me. In fact, my brother called me one morning and he says, he says, I had these nightmares about our family. And then I wrote down things that I remembered. And I go, oh, okay. And he started reading.

them to me and he goes and then when i got to you when i started writing about you all i remember is and then there was michael nobody ever listened to him or paid any attention to him and i was on the phone and honestly a tear came down my eye and i and i i was sucking it up and i was like and what made me sad was the fact that someone acknowledged it like he acknowledged the shit that i someone's it was it was crazy so what are you a middle a middle okay that's that's tough and then also what's your sign cancer oh who what are you Pisces oh we get along my of course we're water my dad and my brother are cancer and so I think that's hard that's really really hard I'm sorry but what I was thinking was you know I was I wasn't a bad kid I got into some trouble I had that

teenage angst and whatever did you guys I'll start with Kyle did you have any of that going on or like I'm an actor now I'm going to drink I'm going to pound my nose I didn't I'm going to be a dick I didn't start drinking because I was an actor but no I yeah I mean I I started drinking at 14 me and my friends were like you know punk and hardcore listening skate rats that would steal alcohol

from people's garages over the weekend and um you know run around the golf course and throw the flags into the water hazards at night and like weird shit like that we were we were just like suburban bad boys we were just like

looking for trouble all the time. You know what I mean? We were always kind of pushing back and my parents are great. Like it wasn't one of those those things. It just was like we were just always in trouble kind of in one way or or another. We were just, we're always sort of looking for trouble. I don't, I don't know. But with your parents, were you sort of like rebellious with your parents and like, because I have some friends in Indiana and I grew up in a weird little town. Let me tell you, inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. If you want to save money, then listen to me because I use this. Ryan uses as so many people use Rocket Money.

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With deep research, dark storytelling, and the occasional drink to take the edge off, we're here to explore the Wicked and Reveal the Grim. We are Wicked and Grim. Follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform. I pretty much love everyone I've ever met from Indiana, which is random. Well, I mean, there's a lot of people I know from my. neighborhood who were in prison or went to prison there's one one for murder that my mom only let one person spend the night at my house his name was tom wagner murder the murderer killing someone

and i was like good judge character mom no they have the worst judge parents don't they crazy and but i remember rebellion against them i was yeah no but were you like that with your parents because i have friends in this neighbor i mean i definitely gave my parents a hard time there's definitely a window where we were like constantly budding heads and at odds and I I you know I think a lot of that was growing pains and puberty and you know I have I have other like I was tiny in school too and and and I was dealing with like my own shit a little bit where like I have like I'm like OCD ADD ADHD and Tourette's so I was always like tickey and like if you'll watch this back you'll see me make face I think I do that too don't you think I am I'm ticky no not that

I've seen. Yeah. Thanks. You're a little bit. I've noticed a little bit. Have you? But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like move around. I'm fidget. Fidgetty. It used to be like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like hard. Where like like. That's hard where like judgeing you and making fun of you. Um, sometimes a little bit. But it was also like it just was exhausting on me and like where on me and like little things that I didn't even know how to put out where like suddenly I would develop a reading tick. where like it would be if I didn't say the sentence perfectly in my head I would have to start over so like two pages of a of a assignment in class would take me over an hour to read because I couldn't get it right so like things were frustrating were people aware of it that they help you were people patient with you did you take medications or my parents were you know it was more I was more the generation it was that generation where they just fucking medicated everybody yes oh my god yeah they're just like I also needed to be medicated and they did

I would take pills and I'd fall sleep and like in the middle of class and like weird shit like that and finally I hit a certain age where I just like I'm done taking this shit. I'm just going to deal with it. And then I started acting and acting actually really helped a lot with all of that to cool it all off. So it was like a combination of things. I was dealing with my own shit and I was always kind of pushing back. We were always in trouble. Me and my parents had growing pains. But like, you know, I was never like super. I'm sure my, well, that's not true. My dad at one point looked. to me not long ago was like there's like nine years but I just didn't really like you all right probably well deserved but we get along really well now like me and my folks get along really well and I'm I'm tight with my siblings and you know it's I don't know it's like just teenage angst I guess but probably a little more elevated I never like tipped into drugs but I was getting really fucked up and drunk and all that shit for like a long time right so see what you growing up um definitely tipped into drugs i'll tell you that no but i was i was i was a bad kid but it was like my family's super close by the way i just want to say very very close family my brother's

like my best friend um we're all we all love spending time together always have it's just that i was bad well i grew up in manhattan so there was just a lot of drugs and a lot of alcohol you say drugs you're just talking pot or maybe cocaine and other stuff oh no like yeah like pills like Yeah, I won't get into all of them, but all of them. And so, because it's New York City, you know, and I mean, my parents were super, like, strict about money. So, so, like, but all of my other friends had, like, endless money. You know what I mean?

My parents gave me, like, $15 a week in Manhattan as my allowance. No, a month, $15 a month as my Manhattan allowance. So what I, because they were like, it's not your money, it's our money. You know what I mean? It was great, but my friends all had like limitless, you know. So anyways, we did a lot. But I kept it secret from them, which I think was another kind of hard, like for them. Did they ever find out?

Of course, like they've found out over the years and I've told them and all that. But like, yes, little things would happen. I think it was just, it's almost worse, I think probably for a parent that they're keeping it a secret. So I feel bad about that for sure because I think I really scared them for a while. But now, you know, like everything goes out and wash. But I was going to say something about Kyle, I was going to say. She's diverting the attention. No, I'm not.

What I noticed, I just, what I noticed about being on set with you, Kyle, is that like you would have ticks and stuff, but like once in a while, but never while you were in a take. And I was like, how the fuck? That's literally what I mean. Like, the thing that really helped me get it under control was acting because I couldn't. Like, you just weren't allowed. Yeah.

And it was almost like, you can shift. like my mental state would have to shift or I wouldn't be myself or whatever so for those two, three minutes at a time I didn't have to be me and it would like turn off I know how that goes wow it was very weird and it really helped me get a grip on it and then you know age helped me

just come to terms of the fact that it's like you're just gonna fucking be all over the place a little bit just let it happen we all are have you guys ever seen your parents cry because I'd never seen my dad cry ever or show emotion. Wow. Until my half-sister passed away two years ago.

And that's the first time I heard him on the phone. But holy shit. Was it weird and scary? It was just devastating. I've never in my life seen any kind of emotion except anger and just distance, you know, sort of. And then hearing that, it did break my heart. It was just a complete shock.

Doesn't it make you feel bad for him a bit that he could never show emotion like before that? It's just old school sort of mentality. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I was like, gosh. It must be hard. Yeah. What about you, Cod? Do you ever see your parents cry?

Yeah, I've seen both of them cry. I've seen my mom cry a few times. And I remember the first time seeing my dad cry and being like, whoa. Yeah. Like it really, it really took me back. Not to say, you know, my mom's feelings aren't as important. It just, it was more really jarring to see my dad, like, lose it. And then it was like years and years of it.

and years later before I really saw, I didn't even see it, I heard it. He called me to tell me his brother passed away. And that was like, I mean, I got, I hung up the phone and just, I lost it. Hearing him upset made me so upset. Like, it was, it's hard. That's how I felt when he was sitting there growing and he was like, I, just hysterical. And I remember just going, I go, I go, dad, I'm with you. I'm here.

You know, I understand. You know, it's like, you just. How do you do? Have you seen your dad cry? My parents are actors, so they cry all the time. That's not a real cry. My dad, no, not as much. Like, he gets choked up a lot, but I think he's a cancer.

Yeah, he's sensitive. But no, I actually don't think I've ever seen him, heard him, seen him break down like that. Just choke up, yeah. Really? Yeah, no. Do you want to see it? So bad. No, I really, no, I honestly really, really don't.

Like me and my, well. Break your heart, wouldn't it? No, of course I would want him to feel comfortable to, right? But me and my dad are so connected. We're like so similarly sensitive, empathetic, like, to the point where our, like, we just, like, I know what he feels and he knows what I do, what I feel. And I cry all the time. Do you cry all the time?

Oh, my God, yeah. And so when I think about how much, you know, like real sadness he has probably because I have a lot of it because we're so similar. I'm like, man, I don't know. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. I won't. If I saw him cry like that, it would be really hard for me. But I, but he's welcome to you, obviously. He's well, dad, you're welcome to cry. Anytime. He gets choked up, though. This is your invite. Yeah, I get choked up. By the way, I know you guys just did a horror movie and I guess Charlie says is also sort of a horror movie, right? You've done some dark shit. Mostly dark.

Yeah, I would say. Kyle, you've done a ton of horror movies. I mean, dude, haunting of Connecticut, Jennifer's Body, Nightmare in Elm Street, scream. Like my favorites of my era that I went to the movies and saw. You're a scream king. Yes, you are. I'll take it, man, you know. It's a cool thing.

By the way, Jennifer's body, who was in that? Megan Fox. Megan Fox. How was it working with Megan Fox? It was good. You know, it was, it was. there was a part of it that like my heart kind of broke for every day because it was smack in Megan Fox pandemonium when everybody was just like so all over her that you could tell she was

like so guarded in it and it sucked because she was being sort of just like objectified as a person by everybody all by the world that it that was hard but she was very nice to me um I had a good time working with her. I actually had a really good time on that movie. That was actually one where you want to talk about showing up. I mean, I read for Johnny Simmons role to be the boyfriend. And I didn't get it. So they just offered me Colin.

And I just showed up and did the voice with all that weird shit. And they had never seen it. And I did that first take. And Karin came up to me. And she was just like, oh, dude. Just do it again. I was like, oh, fuck. Like, it was pretty trippy.

But no, man, Megan was great. I enjoyed working with her. And I'm really happy to see that that movie is actually kind of getting a second life. Yeah, absolutely. It was such a great movie. Did you guys see the Woodstock 99, Doc? Yes. So can you believe how?

99. Like, that's when I was like eight or something. I was born in 92, so seven. Great. But that's how people treated women, like just that. recently it was horrible it was awful it's like they were just for the taking it is horrible and some of those bands just when you watch you just piss me off how they got it going I know it was it was hard to watch well yeah but just I mean I'm thinking about how when did you shoot that movie Kyle

oh boy I that was years ago early like early 2000 that right after haunting Connecticut and I turned 21 on the haunting in Connecticut so I was probably 22 but like what year I don't know what It was 22 years ago. 2,000? A little ferry. I'm guessing 04. 2009, okay. Still bad.

I mean, I don't think that, like, you know what I mean? That era was just so, women were so objectified in like an almost insane way. Like, there was no decorum about it. It was just like, grab titties and, you know what I mean? So anyways, I can imagine. Unfortunately. What do you guys think of horror movies? Do you like doing them after doing a movie like smile?

After all the movies you've done, Kyle, is it something you're like, I would like to do another horror movie? I would like to, or is it something you're like, okay, I did that. I'd like to move on. Now, Kyle, I'm not going to spoil anything. But if there's a sequel to this, one of you, I won't say who or Sosy, one of you could be in it, maybe both. I won't say anything. But would you do a sequel or would you do another horror movie? Kyle and I are doing a buddy comedy, wherein we are exes trying to solve a crime.

Is this true? We want it. We want it. We want to, yeah. We're trying to get. Find a writer. Yeah, we want to get someone to write it on spec. But anyways, I love horror movies and I love the genre.

I love watching them. And I liked being in one, whatever. I think it's just that that genre, it includes so many. Like, I would say you could have a horror movie that's a straight comedy with gore. You know what I mean? And people would say it's horror. So I think it kind of encompasses all genres, if that makes sense, like Sean of the Dead or, you know what I mean? Yeah.

So, of course, I would do another one, but I'm not going to, like, exclusively seek out horror movies. I'll seek out, you know, like, as you know, good characters and great writing and whatever. So I don't know. I don't set it apart so much, I guess. Right, because I'm just saying that after doing a movie like this, you might have a lot of horror directors going, oh. Oh, I think I need to wait a little bit. I think I need to wait a little bit if that's what you're asking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a little bit.

Just do something a little different next. Yeah, Kyle. Yeah, I mean, I think the nice thing is, I think the stigma for. an actor being in horror has been obliterated. I think you 10 years ago was a different thing. You know, like when we made Nightmare on Elm Street or Jennifer's Body

or Haunted Connecticut, it was like, hey, good for you. You're in a movie. It didn't matter how much it made or whatever. You just weren't taking as seriously as like Yeah. Now you could do TV, you could do movies, you could do it out. You can do any series. So, I mean, people are now exploding. I mean, look at Anya Taylor Joy

off of the witch. You know what I mean? Like, she's now fucking that's so true like even your career Kyle is a testament to how like it doesn't really matter because you can do cool indies and no one's like he's the horror guy no one notices you unless you do something that's good or something that people like or is making them money so that's what they look at your commodity the rest of it just yeah yeah yeah you know unless it's like a box office flop or something but like that was that was the craziest thing to me like thinking about smile how well it's doing and then thinking about my career over the last fucking 20 years. And it's like, man, I have not had like the odds of getting in a movie in

the theaters that captures like lightning in a bottle does really well, especially now without being slapped into spandex into a superhero suit is like almost impossible. Never happens. And horror is one of the only genres that delivers outside of that. So I mean, I would absolutely do another horror film again. I've done enough of them to the point that it definitely has to be something very cool or special or something that I think could be really cool. You know, I'm not just going to jump on to another one, but I'm not as cautious about doing another one as I used to be, you know, five, six, seven years ago because again, that stigma has been kind of obliterated. It's great, because I have a horror movie that I wrote called Deep in the Woods and I love you both to

read it. Are you being serious? I do have a lot. But it's like, but it's like, but that's like, but Are we ex-solving a crime? Is it, like, are there dogs? All that matters is, is it good. That's to deal with witchcraft and like, I am a witch, tarot card reader. Cool. Are you?

Yeah. You read tarot cards? Yes. You want me to do yours? I don't know. I might, I don't know. By the way, what was it like, I have to ask because I'm watching House of Dragon.

What was Matt Smith like? He was like method. So he didn't really talk to you very much? Not really, not really. Well, I mean, yeah. Was he nice enough? You know, he was nice, but he was just Charles Manson, so he was met. Like, you know what I mean?

He was really, like, in the character. And the character is, like, gregarious and charismatic and talkative and crazy. And so it's not, so in between takes, he was kind of quiet because I'm sure it was exhausting. He did a fucking amazing Charles Manson. You got to watch it. I got to watch it. Matt Smith is an incredible actor, I think. Like, seriously.

I think it's amazing. And I think for them to cast him as Charles Manson was a bit of like a surprising choice. It's not like the first person you'd think of. But he did such a good job with the voice and the guitar playing and the singing. Yeah. I think it's kind of an interesting movie. You know, it's done by the women who did American Psycho. Oh, wow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like it's an interesting movie. And we shot it at a place that looked, I mean, it was in Santa Clarita, but it looked identical to the so it was very creepy and we used like real rotten food like there was nothing real cigarettes there was nothing like fake about it wow i read to be charles manson did you you did for that one yeah yeah it did not go well well i i don't think that's the one for you wow i are i uh only got that part because um someone dropped out so i found out about it the day before the table reading i was like fuck dude yeah did he improvise at all matt yeah yeah yeah

Was he like kind of like doing this thing where you enamored by it? Or you're like, holy shit, this guy is like on fire. It was amazing. It was wonderful. Like he, um, okay, so I'm not good at improvising. It makes me feel like uncomfortable and scared. Especially when I have to like monologue, you know what I mean? But he monologued like, like, but like in what Charles Manson would say.

Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And you know who else was really good in that movie is Chase Crawford. he was great and it was wild experience Charlie says you got what's what's going on next what are you guys looking to do

take a break or is there something in the works what's going on Kyle I you know right now I'm looking to just chill at home for a little bit it's getting harder for me to be away with my kids they don't like it as much anymore so I'm being a little

pickier it would be nice to pick something up you know maybe sometime early next year, but we'll see what happens. And then I have a movie that I wrote that we are currently pushing forward. There's actually like finally maybe a little bit of momentum movement and things happening, which would be very, very cool. So we're, you know, we're really, I'm really focusing on that. You know, I've like three movies that'll come out and sprinkle throughout the next year or so.

Oh, Kyle has something to tell you, by the way. But, you know, I'm just kind of hanging out. We're buckling down, getting ready for wintertime out here. Oh, yeah. That's, yeah, that's taking care of stuff. Can we shoot your Woods movie where Kyle lives so he doesn't have to leave his kids? Sure. Maybe we'll do that.

By the way, you did. You went to Brown University and you studied musical theater. It says that in Wikipedia. Well, Wikipedia is wrong. I went to Brown University for a year and a half, did so many drugs that I dropped out. And I did one play and there was no songs in it. But Wikipedia is always right. What's next for you?

Anything? I don't want to take a break exactly because I haven't worked since I did for five days on a movie since Smile. So I haven't worked basically at all. I would love to work. But I do think that now I have to be like a bit more choosy. I did a movie in Kentucky, which I think is going to turn out really cool. I'm directing a short around the holidays that I wrote and, um, you know, just kind of like I do a bunch of other stuff, but I like, I want to get a job, but I, but it has to be like a good

one, you know, I have to really like it. I'm transitioning from taking every single thing that anyone would allow me to do to like being more choosy. That's hard. Yeah. That's good. That's good. All right. This is called shit talking with Kyle Gellner and Sosy Bacon. We're good at that. This is rapid fire. These are from my patrons. They're amazing. The top tier patrons, get to ask questions.

Go to patreon.com slash inside of you and join. And thanks for all the support without you. You know I couldn't do it. So here we go. Favorite song, Raj, favorite song, movie, and TV show during 2022. Raj.

Soce, go. What'd you say? Favorite song. Okay. Movie and TV show. And TV show. Okay. Favorite TV show,

probably the staircase? That's aft. Favorite song? Oh, I like this, uh, Bella White, this song, some, na, na, na, na, nah, just like leaving. What's the next one? Uh, movie. Movie.

Um, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, my gosh, that's so hard. I don't know. Oh, I liked, come on, come on. I really like, come on, come on. Even though I know that my boyfriend's in it. It's not the reason. Kyle.

Oh, my God. I have no fucking idea. I like, I have kids. I don't watch anything. Me neither, Kyle. I, like, caught up on, like, Kirasawa stuff this year. That was like what I did. Oh, wow.

Well, he went through the Criterion collection. Literally, like, that's it. I don't know if I watched a single... I don't think I watch a single movie from this year, this year. Okay. Well, moving on. Smile. I'm a garbage person for this question.

You're going to have to move past. Okay. Leanne, question for both. What is your all-time favorite horror movie? What is Lee? Oh, Leanne. She's a patron. I'm so sorry.

All-time favorite horror movie. Kyle? The ring. The ring. Mm-hmm. First, first, like, theater thing. I got a couple that I'm tied for. I love 28 days later.

I love Alien. I love The Thing. Jaws is one of my favorite horror movies of all time. Okay, so you're just going around the posters. I love the dissent. You know, I got a couple. I got a handful that I'm pretty big on. All right, I like it.

So, see, you already said. I'm ready. I'm not someone who has favorites. I don't know. Mine is really the shining, but I also love. I mean, me too. It's more like the ring was like the one that I saw in the theater horror, like jump scare.

You know it was really good too. It holds up Blair Witch project. Blair Witch. Do you know that we got that tape, nondescript VHS in the mail? I didn't know what it was and I watched it by myself. My dad freaked out. I almost shit myself. Oh my God.

And we were in like in at our farm and like my dad was like, I just got this. He was like shaking like I just got this movie. I don't know what it. You got it too? Yeah. I wonder how many people got it. Like is it like 100,000? This girlfriend had it at her apartment, and she was sleeping, and I go, I'm going to put this movie in.

And she just fell asleep immediately. And I sat there going, is this real? No, that one is amazing. It was the first, like, found footage. Is this like a snuff film? Dude, it's. It's amazing. Okay.

I love when the close-ups on her face is. Yeah, yeah. What is it? Yeah. Brett G., what's your favorite memory of West Craven? I worked with him, too. My favorite memory of Wes was. Um, probably just the first time when I audition for him for, uh, for Red Eye, like a long time ago. He was just a very, very nice to me. Will you tell your kids to shut up?

Hey, guys, uh, Michael needs to tell you something. Shut your yappers. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Um, that and then I actually read for him. I actually auditioned for him again. And it was, I forget what movie it was for, but my reps had sent me the script. And I wasn't. supposed to have it and I knew all this information and I started talking to him about the character and they actually pulled me into the back of their office and made me open my email and watched me delete it. Oh my God. Wow. After my audition. You can go back in the folder and get anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nathan Jay, did you look at people differently who smiled at you after making this movie? And also I'm going to ask you, so see, how hard was it to get that perfect smile? Mine? I didn't do a good smile.

I didn't do a good smile. Disagree. I'll say you later. But did I look at people differently? No, I did not. After shooting it, no. After seeing it, yes. Shooting it, it was just kind of like a part of all the other things, if that makes sense.

All right. Yeah. Fair enough. Jeremy C., what was it like growing up? Oh, we already talked about. Jeremy C wants to know what was it like growing up with iconic parents. You didn't see them as iconic. Literally iconic.

Nick every minute of it. I'm just kidding. Okay, next. Little Lisa, what makes you smile? Everything. Every thing. Kyle makes me smile. Everything. What do you mean?

Like dogs, animals. Good answer. Kids. Until now. Until now. Now the smiles are not. Kyle, you know what we just started trying? Putting them in a room with two chairs facing each other and letting them work it out on their own.

Are you serious? Dead. Seriously. Does it work? No, the room gets destroyed, but like, then it's over. Oh, my God. That would never work with mine. They would, they'd be a bloodbath.

Fist, the cuffs. That's amazing that you do that. It's not like it goes well, but at least it goes where we're not like, I don't know, litigating it. This has been a real treat for me. Me too. It's really fun. It's really fun. Like so much fun.

Yeah, you guys are great. You guys are great together. I could see why you had so much fun doing this and the chemistry, even though you can't see each other right now. I can just see it in my mind. You can imagine what she's doing. We talk on the phone all the time, so this is normal. All right, you know, that's it. I don't really have anything else.

I loved being inside of both of you today. The show's called Inside You. This is a real treat. Guys, go see Smile. You know, I don't like a lot of horror movies. This is so fun. It's scary. It's a great date movie.

See it while it's in theaters. And do you know when it's going to be streaming? You don't know yet. No, we don't know. No, not yet. You guys got to see it. I saw it in the theater. you can have a lot of fun with us it's like the sound is really important it's really good

it's really good thanks for having us yeah this was really fun yeah i'll see you guys later see it kyle uh love that interview i really loved it i love talking horror i love talking um you know it's cool i i again i didn't know that it was kevin bacon and uh kira sedgwick's daughter no it just she's she sure looks like it yeah she you look at it wow Yeah, I could see that, but she looks more like Kira Sedgwick, I think. Yeah. But I thought she did phenomenal job and smile. Really good job, Sosie.

I hope you come back. She lives kind of close, her and her boyfriend. Yeah. They live close to me. But yeah, she's paved in her own way. Absolutely paving her own way. And so it's kind of a good thing that you didn't notice. I had no idea.

No. I didn't put it together. And then I looked her up and I go, oh, yeah. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I wonder she'll do it. And then I asked Kyle and Kyle got her on. So thank you, Kyle.

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