Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Sons of Anarchy’s KIM COATES: Slow Down a Bit

Episode Date: August 16, 2022

What an episode this week. Kim Coates (Sons of Anarchy, Bad Blood) joins us to talk about how he’s had to learn to slow down and get back to being himself during points in his life when his career was on the rise and he was focused on pleasing others. Coatesy shares fond memories working with Bruce Willis and Kevin Costner, but also remembers other times on set where he had to stick up for people against difficult, rude talent. We also talk about his special relationship with William Fichtner, how doing a Sons of Anarchy rewatch has made him realize the impact of the show, and what it’s like to work alongside his daughter in the new Neon Lights. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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are having a fantastic week and uh we'll be giving shoutouts to all the top tier patrons at the end of the podcast that's always a favorite of mine to do kim coats knew him on smallville we worked together i had a blast i love this guy i've known him for a long time sons of anarchy uh the list goes on he's done tons of movies he's got a movie coming out we'll talk about everything and he doesn't do many podcasts um and i think he did call me babe a lot or no michael he said michael a lot he calls me michael a lot michael let me tell you michael and uh i love him he's a he's a treat he's a joy to have in the podcast i'm lucky to have him and uh let's get inside of kim coates it's my of you you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum inside of you

inside of you with michael rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience coatsy michael you look great so do you with all that hair all that sexiness throwing around look at you you're the one with the main look at you you got all this good hair at your age i mean how the hell do you do it i'm 117 michael i don't i don't know how i fucking did it i took i took some of your your pills back in the day when i met you on superman you were all bald and beautiful and young and funny as fuck oh my god that's how we met we met on smallville you were agent carter on folks he wasn't just on sons of anarchy and bad blood and the new movie neon lights but he's done tons of movies but he was on smallville

come on michael how when was that bro do you have it in 2007 2007 just before sons of anarchy i was i was up in vancouver and they offered me i don't know i think two or three shows or something like that and almost all my shit was with you i mean it was it was so fun we did we had a lot of fun i remember you just being so like i wanted to know you i wanted to be your friend i liked you i was just like this guy's great he was just great to be he had such a great energy about you and what do you remember by the way what do you remember about smallville i remember you had a sore back i remember you were you were fighting through some pain i remember you were the funniest guy and set by a fucking million yards they had big sets there i loved vancouver um i don't remember much about the

guy i play i know i had short hair and i think i was clean shaven you were I think so. Yeah. I think so. And I knew this. I knew that you were on a huge hit. Like, Michael, you learned the thing we all need to learn about television before I did. I mean, I was that movie guy, always.

Movie, movie, movie. I would do an arc on shows like yours, a CSI, Miami, things like that. But I never wanted to be a regular in a TV show. I just thought, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to keep doing my movies and be broke sometimes. Why was that? Why was it? Did you have, what was it about TV? I don't know. I don't know. I just remember in those, I'm older than you. So I started before you. And I remember in those late 80s, early 90s, I went from Stratford playing, you know, the youngest Macbeth ever.

John Neville directed me. I was 28. John Neville. Yeah, I was 28. And then New York, these New York agents saw all my work. And I said, you've got to come to New York. I was just a Canadian kid, obviously. Still am, proud. I'm American now too proud. but somewhat but I'm pretty proud to being Canadian and so I went to New York and it was all theater and I did Broadway

I was Stanley Kowalski on Broadway for five months on the square and then Hollywood discovered me so Michael I was just a movie guy because that's what you were supposed to do and then television I think I'd like to ask you in your opinion but for me when

you know Geldafini did the Sopranos in that sort of mid-90s cable TV, it just started to explode for me. Yeah, it became like shooting little movies every week. Yeah. But it's good. Now, I sound like I'm a 90-year-old guy, but don't you think that it's gotten a little out of hand?

There's so many streaming platforms. There's so many shows. Do you like this? Michael, I, Michael, I'm doing this for you because you're a star, because you're my buddy, because your podcast is exploding because it's a great thing for me to do and I get to see you. Selfish, I get to see you. I don't watch anything, Rosenbaum. Nothing?

I don't watch anything. I swear to God, I'm a fucking zipperhead. I'm so busy. I'm working all the time. I'm flying here and there. Me and my wife, Diana, we're still together, which is a goddamn miracle. 38 years with your wife. Come on, Michael.

What the hell? I mean, I want to get into that because I don't know how the longevity. I mean, 38 years, nobody survives in Hollywood. And you guys have survived it. yeah we have but you don't yeah but you don't watch breaking bad you never saw game of thrones did you all right do you watch yourself sometimes what do you love about yourself what shows you go hey i was pretty good at that i like that i i say that all the time but no no no michael i mean did you know that theo rossi and i had are doing a podcast called reaper reviews did you know no

yeah so yeah so folks pay attention no no at the beginning at the beginning of uh the pandemic 2020 when the whole world stopped right know what the hell was going on at least for me and i'm sure for you and for everybody i came running up to canada to my i've got a few spots here and there and everywhere and i just hung out theo rossi calls me in like april may of 2020 when there's nothing going on and he goes we should do reaper review and review sons of anarchy every single show and i I went, no. What do you? What are you nuts? There was 92 shows. I'm not going to do it. Well, we've done it. We're actually on the last show, which we'll record next week of two and a half years of talking once a week. The fans have gone nuts for it, bazooka brains, bananas, off the rails. So I'm doing that once a week. And Michael, you know how hard these podcasts, how hard you work, how hard we work. I'm not complaining, but I had to watch every single show of Suns, which I hadn't done. done when we did it.

How many? I'd only see maybe a third of them, maybe 40 of the 92. So when you start reviewing, you've got to look at it and take notes. And then, you know, we still sound like idiots. We don't know what we're talking about, Theo and I. But we've got a gazillion viewers now. And it's just been exploding and just in time for me to say goodbye next week. Yeah.

It's funny you say that because Tom and I, who was Clark Ken on Smallville, we started a rewatch podcast two weeks ago. And so we watch every episode over like you guys have been doing. And then we critique it and kind of go. And it's crazy to watch yourself so many years ago and critique it and critique the show and have guests come on and talk about their time. Do you guys do that too? You have guests on?

We do. Now, you did a lot more than us. You were in the hundreds, right? We did. I left after season seven. I did 165. And then Tom did more. I think he ended up doing 220 or something episode.

So if we make it through that show, through the entire run, I have to watch three seasons that I wasn't in. And that's going to be fucking tough. That's going to be really, really hard. I think you just make Tommy look at those by himself and you just be there for comic relief. Yeah, exactly. What do you appreciate the watching now, watching all these episodes back? What's one thing that you've learned?

I now get it. I get what a big hit it was. I mean, I didn't really understand the whole, like before Sons, Michael, I was, oh, you're, you're the guy from Black Hawk down. Oh, you're that guy from Open Range. Oh, you're the guy on Goon. The last Boy Scout. Yeah. The last Boy Scout.

You're that guy. But then you do a show like Sons for me and the level of what a hit that thing was and what a crazy show it was, I became Kim Coates. So I think after watching the shows now that Theo and I have done, I now understand the, you know, incredible fandom that we and you know i don't know if you know this michael but sons is one of the only shows ever that our our ratings never went down they they only went up like up and up they never plateaued they never they just went up from season one to two all the way so fx is the biggest hit they've they've ever had by a gazillion dollars so pretty proud of all that smallville definitely had its highs and lows i think there were some lows at times and then the one season got

better than this season was worse. But you're saying, I mean, we did a lot more episodes, but still at the same time, you did 92 episodes and the trajectory of success just went up. When you were doing Smallville, remind me, was it every week? You weren't binging yet back then, right? It was once a week. It was once a week. There was no binging. You had to wait. Yeah. So I think that's part of Sun's success in a way. We only did 13 every season. And when it Open in September, it was always that, you know, early September, 10 o'clock, Tuesday night. It's just, you know, for the next 13 weeks, if you were a Suns fan, you never missed a Tuesday night. And then you had to wait seven or eight months before the next season.

So it was just talk, talk, chatter, chatter. But I think that's one of the reasons why our show just continued to climb and build because, you know. Was it exhausting? Were you, did you work every day? where you constantly like, oh my God, I'm exhausted, like, you know, like, what were your days like? Hey, you know, Michael, I'm sure you're the same. I, I, I'm allowed to complain because I'm old now, but I never, I never took for granted how, how much we worked or I never complained. Yeah, it was some really tough days. We, we, you know, we're all in leather and riding those bikes and those Harleys and

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No, there was only three of us who could ride. Mark Boone Jr., David LaBrava and myself of the Leeds, knew how to ride. Some of them lied and said they did. And then they fell a few times and realized, well, you're a liar. So they all had to go to bike school, everybody. And I would say by the end of the seven seasons, Charlie Hunnam probably became the best rider because he was never off his bike. He rode to work every day.

We all did, but he really did. And, yeah, no, he became a really good rider. So, yeah, no, I knew how to ride. And I was called safety first, Michael, because I would stop so many shots. I go, cut, cut, Flanagan. Why are you rubbing your fucking feet on the ground? Because my boots are slippery.

Will you do that later? Wait, D.L. Why are you zipping out of the line? You got to stand. Cut, cut. So they were really pissed off of me. But at the end, I got a little trophy from everybody calling, safety first probably saved a lot of lives

when you're on a Harley there's no fucking around as you know it's it's the real deal were there's some big accidents on set we had three yeah we had three we got lucky Ronnie Perlman went down hard you know Ron I know him from conventions yeah he he's the best

he's really cranky but I love him he's so smart was he cranky on set uh sure I mean the first he looks like he'd be cranky right But the last couple, you know, when you know you're going to die or you don't like the writing or, yeah, he became cranky. But I think we all had a bit of crank in us. Yeah.

But yeah, no, he went down hard and I was right beside him and I got off my bike like a horse. I just got out so fast. Told him not to move, not to move. Lay there, lay there. The ambulance came and he turned out to be all right, a lot of lesions and scrapes. And then Mark Boone Jr. Booney, we could have lost him. We were doing a scene.

We were chasing the Russians. Of course we were chasing the Russians. Why wouldn't you be? You know, who wouldn't be? And so we're chasing the Russians. And he had this old late 90s Harley with these ape hangers, really tall. It was really hard to negotiate and navigate. He was a tough bike to ride.

And he's a great rider. And we went around a corner, too many rocks, and he slid, and he slid hard. And he missed a big, big boulder. And he was out for a couple days. And then Tommy, yeah, I could go on. but we we were all right no one got seriously hurt we were very lucky right take me back how it started because i mean were you since you were a kid growing up in canada did you want to be an actor is it something you always what were you what were your parents doing what did they think

about how did it start how were you popular in high school sure you were yeah well i don't know sure i was always a bit of a a a bit of a leader i think i was you know the captain of the hockey team I was a captain of football team in high school. I was the best player in the worst team in Saskatoon's history. We only had 540 kids at our school and we had grade 9s all the way to grade 12 with the senior team. We just got killed on the football field. But I took a lot of hits and I gave a lot of hits.

But look, I'd never seen a play in my life, Michael. I was a pretty good little redneck kid for sure, sports, sports, sports, sports. Did all right at school. Did okay. And then when I graduated high school, I knew I wanted to be a teacher. I wanted to be a history teacher. I was going to go to, you know, education at the University of Saskatchewan. So I took a drama class for fun as an elected.

I said, I'll pass that class for sure. How old were you? How old were you? 19. 19. 19. And then I want to hear your story. But I'll get this over with.

No, I want to hear it, please. I go to school and, you know, I take this. drama class because well I'll pass it and there'll be lots of girls and then it hit me man I don't know what what the hell happened but I'm I'm reading Ian Esco and Tennessee Williams and Shakespeare I didn't even know what a soliloquay was and before you fucking knew it I had done 25 plays over four years I switched my major from history to drama in year three got my four year degree we were doing summer stock every year I made no money zip all my buddies were getting me through school I get them through everything now. They haven't paid for anything for 20 years, but back in the day, man, in those early 80s, when Coatsy was going to university, I knew I needed

to be a professional actor, and that's how it all started. I moved to Toronto and the rest of it's history. What were your parents thinking when you told them you wanted to do this? Mom and dad, Joyce and Fred, great question. Dad. Fred and who, Joyce? Fred, Fred and Joyce. Yeah. Frederick and Joyce. Yeah.

Mom's still alive. Oh, good. She's 92. Wow. Pop passed before son started, so he didn't get to see any of that stuff. But he knew all my work. He was pretty proud of me. Good guy. You would have love my dad.

You'd love my mom. Good people. No, listen, we came from a really small house in Saskatoon. My two little brothers and me, they were a year and 10 months younger than me. They're twins. Dale and Dean. Of course, they're Dale and Dean. And, you know, we were just playing hockey in sports and living the life in Saskatoon.

And, you know, people go, how'd you survive the winners? And I go, well, you either live where you're doing. die when it's minus 40. Either dress for it and live or don't dress for it and get frostbite and lose your fingers. I mean, it's pretty easy. It was that cold there, huh? Well, up in Canada. I just, yeah. Where are we born, Michael?

I was born in New York, but I grew up in Indiana, small town in Indiana from the time I was eight on. All right. Well, you didn't get the coldness that we did. We got cold, but it wasn't like that. The only other city I remember is Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. Where the hell is Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan?

Yeah, Moose Jost, close to Saskatoon. right so did you have a background of theater yeah did you tell me well i studied i studied and you know i was a nervous wreck like i am now and i was in high school and finally um i was taking drama class and i took it my freshman sophomore junior year just because it was an easy a and you just had to goof around and the senior year my teacher said hey you got you got to audition for a play if you're going to take advanced drama which is the same as drama every year and i go oh my god and i audition Greece and I got the part as Hey, hey, this is the main brain. Vince Fontaine

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It was shortest kid in my school and said, hey, you're really funny last night. And that changed everything. It just showed me that, oh, not being me was the way to go be someone else be an actor and uh and it just took off from college i started doing tons of plays in college and sort of fell for it was the only thing i felt like i could do and um the camaraderie and being around people in the green room and although look there's a lot of clicks as we know in the drama department i mean everybody's judging everybody everybody's

talking shit about so and so why did he get the part and he's like you know um but i stuck with it and you know i went to new york afterwards did off off broadway and, you know, the rest was history. I was so happy. Yeah. But you did a lot of stuff. You did like, you got accolades, big accolades. Well, I don't know about that, but I certainly stumbled into some pretty juicy plays and parts.

I mean, I, you know, the third year university, we went to Edinburgh for the Edinburgh Drama Festival. We won a fringe first, which is the first place for a play called Creeps about cerebral policy. David Freeman wrote it, a Canadian, a restaurant. writer back then playwriter and it was a huge massive hit so we came back from that and i knew you know this that's it i'm being a professional actor and then when i went to toronto like i told you we took a took a while i waited for a couple years you know i waited i was with a big agency and gary godder you know that typical smoking cigarettes eating way too many hamburgers in his office big guys cigar smoking just fucking you know we're going to turn you to a movie star like now and

went no no you're not no you're not he goes what do you mean he goes i want more theater more stage and went no no i said no no that's and i stuck to my gun huh i feel like all fucking stage actors say that same thing like no yeah i just want to do theater until they're somehow forced to do it but i michael i i didn't say i didn't want to do film i said to him i'm not ready yet i need to be a better actor and so we did man we i did 11 plays in halifax um i did streetcar for the first time that's why when when And I, anyway, so long, but then Stratford, two years at Stratford, then New York discovers me. And I'm on Broadway and I'm doing Dracula in Atlanta.

I mean, my God, Rosenbaum, I think I got between five and ten phone numbers a night from women. What? From playing Dracula at the Alliance Theater, 1,300 seats. Now, by my powers of most red, black, my bones of blood. And I would take Willamina, and I would. pull her right up to me and I would crawl on her like a goddamn lizard and there was blood everywhere and I'm sucking on her and I we were right in front of the stage her heads off no people were screaming women were losing the shit um I don't coughing I insisted on you know making sure

that we rehearsed at nighttime I would go to strip club after strip club to get the get the whole thing like it's just about the blood it's not about the body it's about the blood in my head doing my little method bullshit so yeah I had long fingernails, long black hair. It was a hit. How old were you? That was like 1988, so I was 30. And you were already married at this point?

Oh, yeah. Where did you meet your wife? Met her in college, in university. She was 18. I was 19. She's obviously way smarter than I could ever pretend to want to be. Not that she's with me, but just she can see right through me and see right through. So she's let me, Michael.

do my thing. Like I give Diana all the credit in the world for raising my two beautiful daughters and giving me the freedom to be Kim Coates. She's not jealous. She's not worried. She, you know, we fight once in a while, obviously. It's a roller coaster.

How can it not be? You know, we dated for seven years before we got married. So I've been with her forever. But the separation has kept us wanting to come back to each other. You know, when I go away from movies. Yeah. Blackcock down was five months in Morocco.

and I didn't come home once, you know, so did you talk to her every night or did you talk to her here and there? She doesn't need that. She knows you're doing your thing and let you do your thing. Do you think that's what's kept you together is that she just appreciates you, you appreciate her and you let each other do your shit?

And I look up to people who are, who are, you know, with another actor or another artist. It's tough to do. Diana's a former teacher, you know? She could stop teaching because she wanted to once we had kids. And if we were lucky enough to make enough money that's what she wanted to do is be a homemaker and she did it so well and she helped the kids with schooling and what was the first movie role that you took uh wow the first one i took was with

nick cage what first time you do a movie it's with nick cage yeah i had had no lines though it was like i was at stratford it was a two-day part i got paid $600 a day it's most money i never made in my life. It was called Blue Boy. It was about this rower, this o'er rower from Canada in the early 1900s famous book. So Nick played that guy. And I remember talking to him a little bit. And at lunch, Nick had this salad that was as tall as you, Michael. It was on his plate and it was just a salad. And he had steamed chicken on the side. And he was all kak, kak, kak, kak. And I started to really learn about the incredible stamina and willpower it takes to be a movie star if you want to be in shape. You can't, you can't fart around.

The camera sees everything, right? You know that. Yeah. So, yeah, I had no lines. I had six lines. They were all cut. I was on a little wagon, watching them race, making bats being a big better. That was my first movie.

No one saw it. No one cared about. But was that after that you had that itch? You kind of felt like I like this. I like being unsaid. I want to be a movie star. I had this feeling of. it's different

it's different than stage it's you you gotta do it again and again and continuity you know I was drinking and they said you gotta drink at the same line like shit that I never thought hitting your mark

you know with the camera and back then that was 35 millimeter you know those were today we got all these red cameras we're all on tape and it looks amazing but you can just burn that expensive

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i did this little independent movie that was just terrible i don't even need to talk about it just it looks so bad that the d p must have been on crack shooting it but it was with a lot of really good actors it was it wasn't a terrible movie it was just man to p dand fudderman uh wow it was it it was just it was a little movie jennifer garner and it just but it looked like shit why i mean i i i all i remember about this movie was god why does it look so terrible uh and then the first real movie was uh midnight in the garden of good and evil clinice would directed me and it brought me out to california and that was that was like 97 and uh i remember i auditioned for that and uh i didn't even know what I was auditioning for. I just put on an accent to Southern draw. I went back. My agent

goes, hey, you got a callback for midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. I go, mid in the Garden of what? What? And they go, yeah. And I went in there and the casting director said, hey, Clint would like to see just a little more subtle. And I go, whoa, wait, hang on a second. Clint Eastwood's watching this? He's like, yeah, he casts from tape. And I go, oh, my God. And the next thing you know, I was flying to Savannah, Georgia. You fucking got the part. I got the part. I remember the producer put me up from the airport,

took me to set, and introduced me to Clinton goes, he knew me, he just walked, he goes, Michael, I just want to say, if you do what you did in the audition,

I'll be very happy. And I shit my pants right there. And it was just like, oh my God, I'm working with Clint Eastwood. Oh, come on. It was the best feeling ever. Is it true about him

that he doesn't do a lot of takes? Is that true? Dude, he goes, I remember I had this, I remember him just going, he'll just come up to and go, I'll acknowledge the jury on this one. I go, okay, he goes, well, how do you feel? I go, I felt pretty good. How do you feel, Clint? And he goes, I felt great. You want another? Are we good? And I'm like, well, I mean, I mean, that was the sort of attitude. And when he said, he didn't say action. He would look at

his, uh, Jack Green, his DP and goes, he'd look at me and go, Michael. And I go, thumbs up. and then he'd look at me, he'd make that rolling thing with his finger like, Jack. And everything would start moving and they would go one or two takes. And I saw him, I told this story, I saw him get a little annoyed with Kevin Spacey one time. I saw him get like, you know.

Everybody's annoyed with him anyway. Well, at the time, Kevin was like, yeah, look, I don't know if I should be coming in through this store or this. Should I acknowledge it? I don't know. God damn, I do it every one. For a second, he just lost this cool.

I don't know what the hell whatever you want to do, God. Oh, come my God. It was just, it was priced. Have you ever been Starstruck on a set where you're like Yeah. When? Yeah. I'm going to tell you.

First of all, that's fucking brilliant. I can listen to you doing Clint all day long, you fucker. I got to be I got to be honest. I mean, my boy Bruce Willis, he's going through a lot of different times right now and I feel for him and big hugs to him and his family and I miss him. I

I really do. Anyway, but back in the day when Bruce was, and he still is, he's a fucking massive movie star. And Bruce, my first Hollywood movie was the last Boy Scout. So, you know,

you talk about auditioning, right? So I'm, you know, I just finished Broadway, street car, and things are taken off and all these casting people.

Marion Doherty, the late Marion Doherty, she said, you're going to be a fucking star kid. And here we go. And she got me this auditioning for the last boy scy. It was like three scenes, and I remember going on tape for her in New York.

And that's back in the day. This is early 90s, 91 maybe. And they flew you out. They flew you out for an audition. They put you up. Yep. So I had a real audition with Tony Scott, the late grade Tony Scott. Oh, genius.

He's gone now, too, and Phil Silver. And we're sitting in this room, a really small fucking room. And I'm doing this audition, and I walk out of the room, and the casting chick comes out. wasn't Marion. It was the L.A. equivalent. Marion stayed in New York. And she said, hang on, hang on. And so I'm in the hallway. And Tony comes bust and I goes, yeah, yeah, you got it. We got it. And I went, I got it. And I said, you're offering me fucking chat? He goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. See you a couple weeks. So I go back, got the part. Now, you got to hear this. So true story. I go to set. And it's back in L.A. And I know if you remember the last

Boy Scout, but it was a football tag. Dude, I loved it. I remember you just stole the shit out of at one scene, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we did that scene later. My first scene was at a, we're getting a newspaper and Gaman Wayans comes to get a newspaper. And me and my two thugs, we walk up when I say someone, he doesn't look too tough to me.

He doesn't look too tough. So the scene was I end up punching him right in the face, right? And so I get to set. And I'm in my wardrobe and my shoes that they've given me are super slippery. Like they're fucking slippery and shit. And I'm sliding all over. And I was a little, and I'm in a little honey wagon. I don't even have my own bathroom.

I'm like completely green, right? I got nothing. So, but I've got this big movies. So I go, can we? And they go, no, no, just get some Coca-Cola. Pour some Coke on the bottom. You'll be fine. You'll be fine.

I go, okay. So I get to set. I meet the stunt guy. We go over the punch. It's going well. It's time for the punch. And the punch goes pretty good. and Tony comes up, everyone's there.

Willis isn't there yet. I haven't met him yet, but everyone's there. And Tony comes up and goes, okay, right, man, we got that, we got that, we got that, we got that. Now there's one more, one more, we fucking go, just go for it. We go, it's all done, we go, but go, just go. I go, all right. So, we do one more, action. He comes up, we do the thing, and I punched him right in the face.

My back foot slipped, Michael, and my fist went farther than it should have, hit him right, right underneath the glasses. He had sunglasses on. The glasses come off his face. He's holding his face. I'm like so shocked at what I had done. The stunt guy comes up because it wasn't your fucking fault, man. I saw your foot slip.

He's on, fucking shoes fault. Wasn't your fault. I'm just going, I'm so sorry. Silver comes running up. Tony comes running up. And Damon Wayans gets up off the ground and goes, I'm okay. I'm okay. I'm all right.

Let's go. Let's do it again. I'm all right. Tony goes, no, we got that. We're moving on. I thought I was going to get fired on my very first day of my first big LA. You punched Damon Wayans in the face. Yeah. On your first day of work on a huge blockbuster movie. Yeah. And then the Bruce Willis story on that. Let me tell you that. This is cool. Oh, my God. You're asking me about being Starstruck. So here we are. It's my big scene. It's the big scene of the movie, really. I mean, It turned out to be, everyone remembers the scene.

And I'm in this pool inside. And as you know, Michael, this happens to you because you're such a fucking movie star. No one, you always come last to set. I know you. Like, yeah, the star comes last. Everyone's got to be there. They're ready. So here I am.

And there he is. His name is Bruce Willis. Had met him. He comes walking up. He's got a T-shirt on. He just comes fucking walking up. He's got a couple people. I'll never forget it.

Tony comes over, they start talking, and then they start coming into my area where I'm going to be, you know, it's because it's really my scene. And there's another actor playing the piano, really great comedic actor. I can't remember his name right now. Anyway, it comes up to me.

It doesn't look at me, really. And Tony goes, hey, Bruce, this is Ken. He goes, hey. It's all I said was, hey, I go, hey, Bruce, I'm really nice to meet you. Okay, so let's do the scene. So we're doing the scene. We're just fucking doing the scene.

And Willis isn't telling me, anything. I'm not, I'm just doing my thing. My gut. I've auditioned for this part like you did with Clint. I, I, I'm ad-libbing a little bit. I'm having a cigarette and punch him and all that. And then it comes time for him to kill me. This took two days. And now we're into day two. And he's going to break my nose and I'm going to, I'm going to die. And Willis goes, okay, so when I, he never called me Kim or my name, just him. I was just him. So when I hit him, you know, when I punch him, he's going to fall into the pool. And that'll be that.

And Michael, I went, I don't want to fucking fall under the pool takeout in my head. I don't want to. So I called Tony over. I said, Tony, nothing for nothing. I don't see it that way. He goes, what do you mean? I goes, I don't see me flying into the pool.

He goes, well, how do you see it? I go, well, can we just do one? He goes, sure. So he goes, hey, Bruce, Bruce, we're going to do one for Kim. We're going to do one for Kim. We're going to do one for Kim. He goes, all right, all right. He fucking goes and I felt right on my ass, Michael, like a 10-year-old boy.

And then I flop back and the camera's still rolling. Willis showed me this later. And everyone is laughing. They're fucking heads off. They're clapping. They're laughing. And Tony comes over and goes, I think we got it. I think we got it in one.

Willis goes, that was pretty fucking good. And we did. We did a couple close-ups and shit. But no, that was it. one take a couple cameras I fell on my ass like a little boy and then I flopped back they couldn't believe that I could fall on my butt like that and stay straight like a tree and then anyway that was my Bruce well so you impressed Bruce I think so because we've become buddies we've done a couple since then and I always like hanging with him he loves my wife I haven't seen him in 10 years probably

but he uh he's a good guy he's a really good guy and he's a really good guy and he's battling something now that no one wants to go through wow did you ever meet someone that you're excited to meet or work with and they just let you down they weren't the guy that you thought they would be you don't have to say their name but have you ever been on set where it's like yeah yeah i got to the point where i won't say his name because i hear he's a really nice guy now but back in the day i was doing a movie with kerryan moss and i was the lead bad guy and she was with our our lead that i'm talking about and he just was a real asshole and he just really was being rude to everybody and one day cut down a crew member

and I walked up to him and I whispered to him I said I'm going to fucking knock you out right now I'm going to knock you out I'm going to fucking hit you right in the face if you don't clean up your act you're just you're just so full of hubris and bullshit these people love you why are you behaving like this it's just inexcusable and he looked at me and he walked away and he was better for the next next week and a half I just said I'm going to

punch right in the face I don't care if I go to jail I'm going to knock you out because I couldn't take it anymore I don't, I'm not, I'm not, I mean, I'm far from perfect, you know, Mike, but I got to tell you, the one thing that I learned from my dad is you stick up for people that need sticking up for it. You fucking stick, you stick up against the bully because it shouldn't happen. There's way too much bullying going on in this planet right now. And yeah, wow. Only once, though, I don't think I ever remember. How about you?

Have you run into once or twice again? Yeah, there's been a couple of bullies, um, bully directors, but not many. I think I probably had two or three in my life where I just said, hey, you know, I don't, I didn't snap at him, but I just said, hey, hold on a second. Hang on. This is not how we do things here. No, good for you. It was just he was, uh, making one of the actresses uncomfortable, uh, the director. He was bar, you're going to be over here and you're going to go. Okay. And he grabs her arm. And I'm no, no, no, you're going to go over here. And I go, whoa, stop, stop, stop. And everybody looked at me, I go, what are you doing?

He goes, excuse me? I go, isn't this supposed to be like a teamwork here? We're trying to figure it out. You're grabbing her arm and moving her here. You're not even asking us what we're doing. You're just barking orders and acting like a macho guy over here. I love him. And he goes, oh, so we have one of those guys on set.

I go, yeah, we have one of those guys. And then he was cooler. He was way cooler. They need a calling out every once in a while. And I just, he just, I could feel like myself getting uncomfortable. And I was like, I can't work like this. I can't be uncomfortable like this. I got to say something.

And it's been, it was, it was uncomfortable. But I, I picture you like a good leader on set. You want everybody to have fun. You want everybody to, you know. Thanks, man. And I finally, you know, you know me. I'm like you. I'm a character actor.

I, you get all the funny shit a lot. And I love comedy so much. And when people find out that I'm actually pretty funny once in a while, I get these, which I love. But I'm telling you, after Sons was over, shortly thereafter, a couple years later, there was a series called Bad Blood. Yes, people love Bad Blood. Yeah, it was a huge shit on Netflix and Rogers and City up in, City TV up in Canada. And to be called in on that and to be number one on the call sheet and the hire Anthony LaPalle, who was a buddy of mine and Paul Servino, these guys did it for a lot less money than they normally get.

but the scripts were so unbelievable based on the two-story. Anthony played Vito Rizzuto, a real crime boss, one of the biggest crime bosses in the world, let alone just Canada from Montreal. So he's playing a real guy. I played a fictional guy, even though between you and me now that it's over, he was based on a real guy who's still incarcerated,

so we couldn't really talk about him too much. But we had to change his name, as ethnicity, the whole thing. But I'm telling you, to be number one of the call sheet, And then after it was over to have the actors and the actresses and producers just come up and go, hey, man, way to go. You really, you really did number one. You really did. And I did.

I cared about everybody. And I did the best I could and making everything comfortable. But when it was time to work, we fucking work, man. There's no, there's no dipsy doodling. Do you stress? Do you get anxiety? Do you put pressure on yourself that's not, that is unnecessary? Do you fight through things?

How do you deal with all that stuff? Are you just, Mr. Tough guy? That's a great question. I didn't know, but I'm full of anxiety. I mean, I have a shrink that I see once in a while, and he's amazing. He's in Pasadena, and he really, he calls me, he called me early on his sessions. He would call me King Kong. Why?

No, because I fucking bursted in the room. I'd never been to a shrink before in my life. And I burst into his room. I said, do I pay you now? Do I pay you now? Where do I sit? What do I? How are you today?

He just, he just kind of put his hand and a small smile and say, Kim, you sit wherever you want and we'll worry about the payment later. You want it now and a check? You want it to be a guy? You want this now? We're going to keep this a secret?

Yeah, he wants it now and keep it straight. You and me? Is it going anywhere? Am I fucking meet Mike? No, no. So, you know, so he called me King Kong because he really, and part of my anxiety

was coming from I'm so recognizable now and the charities that I love doing or it's fucking on man it's on and I like you do three or four cons a year maybe you do more I mean I get asked to do them a lot I'll go to a few my charities make some money I make a little bit it's a fun

to see fans for me is it's draining but in a good good way like I love my fans my people that like my work or whatever but I was really going off the deep end with stressing out about my career because it just kept going up and up and up and it's what I've always wanted and I like where I'm at but I you know I needed to calm down and breathe and slow down a bit and I think I learned to do that what was it that you noticed about yourself that you didn't like that got you into therapy what was it was it the little things what were those things that you or maybe your wife and maybe

Diana, right? Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. I would notice. You know what it was, Michael? It was this kind of shit where I'd never, I'd never, I was always proud of just being me. Whether you know me from movies or from playing football with me when I was 17, I was pretty proud of being me.

And I stopped kind of doing that for a while. I started knowing that if I was going to a house party, I thought they would expect me to talk about my movies or talk. about Bruce Willis or talk about sons or sons and so I put all this bullshit into my head so I would be just kind of moving too fast

moving too fast and so I think I've learned to try and slow down. What do you do? And I've also, sorry Michael what do you do to slow down? Just let it happen. Instead of trying to think about making everybody happy all the time

you know one of my sayings that I use Michael is I can't tell you how to succeed, but I can tell you how to fail by trying to please everyone. And, you know, I've always looked at myself as being a really fortunate motherfucker. I've worked really hard for my career, but I've been really fortunate with my friends, Bill Fickner, who you worked with. He said, behind you, by the way, he fucking loves you. He was in the podcast, loved working with him. He just loves you. And he loves you. You guys are best friends. He says, he on the podcast was like, yeah, me and Coates, he pretty much talk every day. We're always in the phone. Yeah, we do. I mean, he says it the best. Like, how weird is it to meet your best

friend at 40? You know, when we did Black Hawk down, we were both like 40. And, you know, we met each other and it was over because we are the same kind of guy. Anyway, he loves you. And I think I've just really enjoyed my life. And so I really look out for the underdog, I think. And I really sometimes tried too hard to make people happy because I know they're happy to see me but when I'm around guys like you or Fickner or guys that I just can

be myself around without trying it's the best time for Kim Cove. So that's what it is. It's trying to be yourself and not trying to people please too much. Yeah. Trying to breathe and do your thing. Yeah. Yeah. You got this movie coming out or it's out now. It's out on digital and on demand.

And I saw the trailer for this and it looked intense a shunuch. shit yeah and uh neon lights yeah now you get to work or she gets you get yeah you get yeah you get to work with brena brena coach your daughter and you know a lot of times you hear you know if somebody's working with her daughter this she's like a star like she's she's went to tish she's done so much theater she is she knows what the hell she's doing yeah she's the real deal this kid she um you know dion i my wife and i we we didn't push our kids away or two, anything when they were growing up.

It was letting them discover what they liked and loved and reading. They're both so smart. Kyla, you know, she's trying to save America. God bless her. She works in L.A. County with Janice on. She's a deputy supervisor. She's a big shot. And she's with mental health and the sheriff's department with a fireman and homeless.

I mean, she's in it in L.A. County, 12 million people. She's got a big job and she loves it. And she really, really is caring about America in the right way. being such a liberal. She's got a lot of work ahead of her, and we're proud of her. Brenna, who's as smart as Kyla, she was an actor from four, five, six years old.

I mean, she just knew it. She was shy. She's beautiful. She's funny. Anyway, so she additions for Tish from her high school in Pasadena. She gets in. She's in New York.

And you know, Michael, it's like, come on, fuck off. It's like 65 brand a year. And that doesn't even buy you a Starbucks. Oh, God. And if her dad is not unsublished, of anarchy. She's not going to New York. She's going to Victoria or Saskatchewan or Seattle somewhere. You know, I couldn't afford, you know, come on, right? I happen to be lucky to be on a big

TV show and I'm making money. So fine. She goes there, four years. At the end of the fourth year, Michael, they do a, they do a, it's a one-act, 90-minute play, Sarah DeLap, brand new play called The Wolves. So all the seniors, it's about nine girls. It's about nine girls. girls on a soccer team. A mom comes in at the end of the play. And they had one showing of what they were doing. This is the final project. Here she is. She's saying goodbye.

I flew. I saw it. Diana couldn't go. I'm in the audience. I am so blown away at all the girls. We're all crying at the end. This is a juggernaut play. And they knew it. Cut two. Six months later, they're finally going to do the wolves in Poughkeepsie.

And from Poughkeepsie, it's going to go out Broadway. If it's any good, I'll go to Broadway. So Brenna has to re-odition, and she's going through all the stress, all the stress. Same part. She's perfect for it. And I go, I'm telling you right now, Brenna, and this is what you and I had to deal with, Michael. I still do. But they're going to look for a name.

Her part was one of the three leads of the nine girls. They're going to look for a name. So don't feel bad if you don't get it. I got a good feeling about it. But you did, you know, so she did one, and she did a callback. All these producers are sitting there, whatever, whatever. Then we had to wait two weeks, and she finally got the call that the part was hers. Cut to a summer of Poughkeepsie, couldn't get a ticket.

Goes to the Duke Theater. Couldn't get a ticket. All these movie stars are starting to see this play, The Wolves, the Wolves, the Wolves. It gets called one of the greatest plays in New York in the past 25 years. New York Times. New York Times, correct. And so Brana gets called out in all the, anyway, they end up winning an O.B. and a Dramedesque Award for the ensemble of all the actors on it.

All nine girls win these incredible awards. She goes, you know, right to another play in San Diego, another play somewhere else. Then she comes and does a play with Dad. I did Jerusalem by Jess Butterworth. I almost died on stage every night. Mark Rylans was doing it again right now. In London, I flew to see him. We had dinner.

I saw it twice. hugs all around. He gave me the baton four years ago when I was preparing to play this guy. I took a year to prepare. The accent went to London five times. The whole deal is a long story. But Brenna was in that play with dad. Cut to this movie Neon Likes. Michael, when this movie, it was during the pandemic, nothing's happening. Early fall, 2020. My agent in Canada, I've always told Gail, that's why I've never fired her. I love her to death. I've fired more American agents over the years. but I'm with it really good

when I'm sharing calling. I love her to death. My management company is pretty cool too, Maine State. Anyway, I get this call from Gail. She goes, you're not going to do this movie. I go, what's the call? Neon lines.

Why? It's just really dark. It's, I can't get through it. I said, well, send it to me. So they sent it to me. And sure enough, it's about mental health. Right. And it's about, it's a psychological thriller

slash horror, small cast. It's in one man. mansion. The house has a character on its own. I play a guy. I can't say too much about it because it's a very surprise when you watch the movie. Anyway, there was a perfect part for me and a perfect part for Brenna. And I had to read it twice to really understand what this guy, Dana Abraham, who wrote it and starred in it was talking about. I said I would do it. They say, can we have brought it to us? You'd have to call her and see if she read it. She plays a shrink. She'd never played a part like that before. She's really like an angel in this movie.

She says, yeah, so we're working together for the first time. Michael, we had our premiere about a month ago in Hamilton, and another premiere in L.A. I wasn't able to make the L.A. one. I saw the one in, Brandon went to both. She's the second build. She's above the title with me and Dana. Everyone's so good.

This movie's so scary. It's just, the reviews have been so unbelievable because it's about mental health. Yeah, and it's right up my alley, too, because it's got that psychological horror. tech tycoon clay amani retreats to an off-the-grid location in search of meaning and peace with disconnected siblings and their offspring only to be caught in a bone-chilling killing spree within his new estate it's just like in the the trailer you're like what the hell it's just it's like this is what i the kind of stuff i watch so i'm i'm excited for this i can't wait to watch

this well and who you're talking about clay armadi is played by dana abraham he's the lead this movie. I happen to play his stepfather and we're going to stop right there. I can't say much else because it is I was, Rusebe Hadari who directed it, this beautiful Iranian Canadian Canadian-Iranian boy

he's so talented. He's just so he was so great with the actors and all masks, all shields, all tested every day, all that stuff that we had to do and still do really because of this pandemic. But he was beautiful and I'm stunned at the music. I'm stunned at how, I mean, I

I helped produce it. So I got to see all the cuts. I would give notes and they listen to every single note that I had. I'm very, very objective. I'm not a subjective guy. It's all about the greater being of this movie and beats and what scenes are too long or what scenes don't work. And they did a great job.

And like I said, it's killing it on video demand. It's everywhere now, yeah. Yeah, neon lights, digital demand. Go see it. I mean, if you're me and you love horror movies. And it's much more than that. And I just can't tell exactly. what your character is but it's it's something i don't want to say dark but

oh no you can say dark it's pretty dark but can i just say one thing here about about who i played denver cane when i read it um i had to change some things because it was way too much on this side of the railroad tracks right for me as you can imagine michael with these cheekbones and these eyes and i play a lot i play a lot of bad i play a lot of bad boys and i'm really careful with my bad boys and this guy I said oh I'm playing him but it's got to be this because you need to bring some

like why why is he even in this movie if he's just that way it's just too boring and too scary one note right right one note and they went oh my god yeah yeah so he's mesmerizing he's methodical he's kind

he's dark as fuck and he it's like a like he's like a python he just sucks you right in and then he's going to bite you. See, those are the best kind of villains. Those are the best kind of dark characters. I mean, look, I played Lex Luthor, and if people loved them, they loved them in the beginning.

If you get them to like you or love you or have those moments, instead of being in one note, it makes the character so much more dynamic. Can we talk about that for a minute? You were so fucking good on that show. Thanks, man. You were so good in that show. You're the best thing in that show. I mean, the show is good.

It lasted for 18,000 years. But you were so good. I saw maybe 5, 10 shows. And you were having a blast. And I can't remember, but you hurt your back, didn't you? Am I making this? Yeah, I've had a lot of surgeries and stuff through playing ice hockey my whole life and just kind of like, you know, like yourself. Yeah, you're a hockey player.

Yeah. So, you know, I've had some issues with the back over the years. It hasn't been fun. But like, you know, I've been doing a lot better. I've been doing a lot better. So I've been just trying to take care of myself and, you know. So glad. Now if I can get the anxiety under control, Coach.

Yeah, how you doing that, right? That's all right. You know, it's like I just turned 50. Do you remember turning 50? Yes, I do. Was it weird for you or just another number? It was the beginning of the best part of my life because it was literally two months before I started Sons of Anarchy.

It's the truth. I had my 50th birthday party and literally like two seconds later, I'm cast as TIGTregor and I said to my wife, I guess I better do this. And she was like on her knees going, please, please, please. I went, sure. Can we just have a paycheck once a week that we know it's coming in? I love it.

I love it. I love it. All right, this is, this is called shit talking with Kim Coats. These are my patrons. They give back to the show. They're unbelievable. Go to patreon.com slash inside of you, join patron. I'll send you a message.

Thanks for supporting the show. I love you. These are from the top tiers. They're asking this is rapid fire. So you go. Chris R. How did it feel playing a nut-like tig on Sons of Anarchy? Mental.

I mean, I just said to Kurt Sutter. I turned it down. I turned it down. He said, why? I see he's too psychotic. He doesn't show me a He goes, no, no, TIG's going to be psychotic for sure. But he's going to have a heart of gold. He's going to be funny. He's going to be a moral compass of the club. He's going to be psycho. He's going to be this. He's going to be that. He's going to be and you can ride and you're going to love riding. And just please come along for the ride. And I did. And I'm glad I did. But I've never played anyone like him before. Wow. Jeremy C. What would be your favorite role to take on if you could do anything or have you done it already?

Oh my God. That's a great question. No, I haven't done it already, but I've been lucky, right, to be a character actor. I get to really act. I get to change it up. I get to cut my hair, grow it, get fat, get skinny, have accents, have a limp. I mean, honest to God, where our money or wear nothing and show my stomach off. I mean, I'm just so lucky to be a character actor. I get offered all kinds of shit, and I'm loving it.

I'm loving every single thing I get offered that I say yes to. By the way, do you work out a lot? I do. I have. Do you think that really helps with life in general to keep your body moving to keep strong? Yeah, because I'm flying all the time. I'm in hotel rooms all the time. I'm on different pillows all the time. I'm filming all the time. And if you don't take time to bike or walk or a few weights here and there at my age, I'm in my 60s now, you're going to you're going to break down. And so I really am trying not to break down and working out helps me.

David H. who's someone you've worked with that you expected them to be one way in that. they turned out to be completely different in a good way, I hope. I was really uncertain about Kevin Costner. I got to tell you, he's, again, one of my best friends now. And he turned out to be the kindest, smart. Even though he didn't direct Waterworld, he kind of did. And then Open Range, he did direct. And Michael Gambone and I played the two lead bad guys in that.

And I would spend night after night at Kevin's house in the beautiful rocking mountains up in Canmore, Alberta, watching him edit smoking pot with him every night and watching him edit and edit and have a glass of wine and then learn from him I was stunned at how warm Kevin is to everybody

and how smarty is if you fuck him he'll put you in a headlock and he won't let go but he turned out to be like what a jewel Kevin Costa for sure wow legend Joey Mack loved you as Declan in bad blood

did you prep for the role by studying any iconic movies like the godfather or goodfellas no i didn't prep it with that but i read a lot of books and their bad blood was called in blood in in in business i think it was called business and blood the book the true book that we bought the rights to to do the six part first year miniseries that we turned into a two-year thing so i did a lot of reading did a lot of reading about Montreal. I did a lot of reading about the early years of being a gangster in Montreal and all the bike gangs and all the people that were, you know, I read all the true stuff and then I incorporated that into my character for sure. Ray H., what do you enjoy about your work?

I love what I do. I don't know how many people can say they love their job. And I get paid well for it. I don't even know why. I've never worried about money, Michael. To be perfectly honest with you, it's just come to me, I guess, after all these years. But I was so wanting to be the best actor I could be and all that theater and not getting paid, but I didn't care.

And now it's paid off because people befriend me, maybe because I'm Kim Coates, but boy, this year like hanging with me because I think I'm a really good actor. And I love listening. Like when you and I work together, I'll never forget listening to you. Like, if you listen to people on set,

then you won't act. And you're just going to feel. It's just going to come out of you. If you don't listen and you plan everything, well, then that's called acting. And the camera's going to see it and you'll never be at the level you and I've got to. So, yeah, man.

I just love my job. That's it. Sophie, M, any fond memories from working on Skinwalkers? sure fuck skin walkers you know why I won't tell you why that movie

could have been so good Stan Winston loved him loved him makeup artist he's won a gazillion Oscars no one was better at his job

than him and Stan for himself wanted to do one more movie about werewolves and he was going to design the suit

it wasn't going to be CGI he wanted the actors to grow into their suit, right? Jason Bear, Eliath Gitaeus, me, the three leads. I mean, so that movie, when I read it, Michael, it was R. It was an R-rated film.

And it was so good and so dark and so unbelievable, we all signed on. And I'll never forget getting to set up in Toronto. And all the leads were there, and the directors there were all ready to go. And they were giving it,

oh, they said, oh, there's some rewrites. and we got handed the script and we started to read it and I'll never forget after about page 20 I left the table and I laid on the floor I I was so depressed at what they had done to turn this into a PG-13 light light arena of a film I was so depressed that all the money people that put all this money in they're going no this is a new script and Cateas and I and Jason Bear you couldn't run away we were still going to do it but I knew this fucking movie was going to fail

and it did now I love that this person gal guy I couldn't remember the name that you said that they love this movie because we have some fans yeah we have some fans with this film but I'm telling you straight up it could have been way way better had they stuck to their guns and not being afraid to make it a restricted film because it was

so much better you know I love talking to you it's been forever but you speak your mind you have unbelievable stories you're so down to earth I miss you I love seeing your face this is and neon lights is out on demand and digital

please check it out if you love horror if you love psychological stuff you're in for a fun little movie here and yeah you better if you drink you better have a drink in front of you if you eat you better have some popcorn in front of you because you're going to be nervous watching this film

it's a very nervy fucking film Rosenbaum you're amazing bro what you do is amazing I think as an artist stands on its own. Billy loved working with you and the neighbors so much. I'm jealous. Yeah.

We got to do something together. We got eventually we'll do something together. I would love that. That would be a real treat, you know? Real treat, bro. You look great, too. Hey, back at you. I love you.

Good luck with everything, man. Love you, buddy. Love you, buddy. Big love. You got to live and learn. Do you remember that song? Oh. That was from like the late 90s or early 2000s.

You got to live and learn. It was a terrible song. Terrible song. Was it? Yeah. It sounds inspiring. Does it? You've got to live and learn.

You're not doing Linus Morson, are you? No. What was that song? You live. You learn. I kind of like that song. That's a good song. That's a good song.

She doesn't miss. She had some tunes. Thanks Kim Coats for coming on the podcast. I loved having you on. You were a freaking treat. I love your stories. And yeah, great, great guest. What else can we say?

You know, everything was said in the beginning. Appreciate everybody's support. This podcast is, you know, we're not the biggest podcast in the world, but we could definitely use your help. And we appreciate your help. Go to patreon. Go to patreon. com slash inside of you.

You want to join Patreon, become a patron of mine. I'll message you back. Go to the inside of you online store for cool merch. As I said in the beginning, later in the year, I'll be going to like San Fran, Columbus, Pittsburgh for some cons in late late november or december and uh also i want to give a shout out to all my friends out there have supported me in the last few weeks uh i've been dealing with a lot of anxiety and uh my patrons and uh everyone listening uh it's life man it's life right and we all go through it

but we do yeah sometimes you just feel hopeless sometimes you just feel like man what the what am i honestly i was on the wrong meds and when you're on the wrong meds your mind goes to weird places like what am I doing here why what is there what I had no like nothing part of that's being a human too yes and you just have to know that this is your mind it's not real these thoughts aren't real it's not a reality many of times what are the facts yeah what are the facts here and then you start to go hey you know and and people say this all the time but saying your gratitudes before you go to bed when you wake up I took a hike and at the top of the hill there's the beautiful view of los angeles and i just sat there and i said hey god thanks

thanks for life thanks for this planet thanks for and i just started doing it and it just it made me feel better it's just being grateful you know do you do that not enough not enough but it does help it there's something with your mind when your mind actually when your brain hears that when you keep me you keep saying it you're like rewiring your your mind yeah you know so it's good so thanks for all the support the love let's give a shout out to all the top tier patrons these are folks that are the top tier that give a lot to the podcast and really keep it afloat Ryan knows many of them by memorization I don't know just that back half is a little tough yeah should we start working on the back half yeah I've got the first several then yeah you do all right here we do

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Christine S. Awesome. Christine S. Awesome. Memorized that. Sarah Smile. S. Sarah S. Mm-hmm. Eric H. Mm-hmm.

Yep. That's a tough one. Jennifer R. Uh-huh. Jennifer Rarner. Shaney, Shane R. Emma R. Emma Roberts.

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I liked it. Karinen. Karinen. Samantha W. Michelle D. Amanda R. I know, I know a Michelle D in real life. Okay.

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