Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Sons of Anarchy's TOMMY FLANAGAN: The Relief of Fear

Episode Date: July 5, 2022

Tommy Flanagan (Sons of Anarchy, Power Book IV) joins us this week and opens up on how his near death experience after a knife fight led to him not only changing career paths from being a DJ to acting, but also allowed him to realize that it’s okay to fear things in life. Tommy talks about drawing from experiences and interactions in his past to inspire his ‘tough guy’ bravado that he portrays with a lot of the roles he has. We also talk about his underprepared experiences on Braveheart and Gladiator, how he was able to overcome imposter syndrome in this insecure business, and his time shooting Power Book IV: Force. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I feel tired. I'm jet lagged from Australia. It was a great trip. But holy, when you go, when you fly that far, when you fly 15 hours, you're changing so many time zones you get there. Your body's like, F off, dude. And it says F off for a couple of days. And then I had to change, get another plane to Perth.

after Sydney, and then flying home, Perth to Sydney, Sydney to L.A., like 20 hours. And I'm just like, holy, and I got to do some interviews tomorrow. I got to step up, man. But was it magical? I wouldn't call it magical. I would call it a delight. It was the people are a delight. I would move there.

We saw some wonderful things. I hung out with Tom. Of course, Tom Welling, my cohort from the new podcast, Talkville. Oh. Speaking about that, folks, a reminder, Tom Welling and I are doing a Smallville rewatch podcast. It premieres in a couple of weeks on Wednesday, July 13th. Ryan Tejas will be in that podcast. He'll be enjoying, you'll be enjoying him as well, right, Ryan?

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we're watching every episode to get me to watch episodes and then talk about them it's a big feat back to the inside of you episode uh our guest Today is Tommy Flanagan. Wonderful stories. Wonderful stories. I could just listen to him, talk all day. I love that accent when he's speaking. And he tells us about, you know, the night fight where he got his scar.

He tells us about the new show. What's it called? Power Book 4. Force. Power Book 4. Force. Which he adores how much he loves acting and so much more. But first, we appreciate it if you're here for Tommy that you give the podcast a chance. And if you like it, you know, subscribe. You can subscribe.

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all right yeah because you've been traveling i have been traveling are you done traveling i'm gonna keep traveling yeah aren't you going to ireland tomorrow i don't ireland yeah good lord i know it doesn't stop i couldn't go because i obviously this whole i went to metropolis illinois came back for a day flew to australia for two weeks just landed can't go back to ireland i think i would collapse it's just impossible and i have a con although the con just got canceled just found out the con got canceled but I'm still going to Palm Springs no no matter what anyway great so just in time for summer you know what they say two tears in a bucket mother you know you said it I didn't let's just do this let's get into Tommy Flanagan I love this guy he's a friend he is he's brilliant

on this podcast I think you're going to really enjoy him and let's just do it let's get inside of Tommy Flanagan it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with my Michael Rosenbaum Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum Was not recorded in front of a live studio audience Yeah, the guests always look really good I always talk about this, but the guests always look better than me. You're a handsome boss of those.

Fuck. Come on, don't fight it. I'm telling you. Do you embrace your beauty? Embrace? See, do you feel like everybody when you do interviews? First of all, you don't do interviews. I don't do, listen, I, seriously, I don't fucking do them.

And when I do doing them, I want them to end immediately. It's like, I'll say two words and I go, I don't want to talk to you anymore. Leave me alone. Why is that? It's always the same stories. But when you call me, I thought, the beautiful Rosenbloom is going to be a laugh. The old Rosenblum. And I've heard, good old sparkles.

And I've heard your show and it's so funny. And it never feels like you're trying to flog something. You know what I mean? I just want to talk. You just talk. Get inside of people. That's right. Get in there.

Get right up in there, son. Do you get people ask you a lot of times to do, to do interviews and things that you just say no? Yes. Your agent calls your consult, your publicist college and says they want you to do this. No, I'm good. I want to do a photo shoot.

No, I'm good. And then I'll suddenly do one and I'll hate it. I don't know why. I like doing what we do. I just don't like all the bullshit that goes with it, you know? Yeah. Well, you were saying, like, right when we got in here, and it was good to see it because we met on Guardians of the Galaxy 2.

We met before that sparkles. You fucking, that's right. We fell in love a long time before. Yeah, where do we meet? I don't remember. Because I just thought I knew you. Because when I saw you on Guardians, I thought, there's fucking Ross and Blu. I'm going to go talk to him.

I love him. And then we started chit-chatting. Outside, we were having a smoke. We call them darts. Do you call them darts and? Fags. Fags. Yeah.

You call them fags. And it's cigarettes. There's don't go all fucking up your blouse about this. It's cigarettes. Now do you still smoke? No, I quit everything. I've quit everything. I'm the most boring.

Let me give you a bit of world advice when it comes to alcohol, drugs and cigarettes and all that shit. Please do that. Do it when you're 50. Spend those years that fly by, you know, just making fucking money. Or doing the thing that you're looking, love and then when you turn 50 become a mad fucking alcoholic junkie i think is the way forward wait you said when you hit 50 to become an alcoholic yeah i mean i'm about to become 50 are you an alcoholic yet no no well you i'm not smoking anymore right i'm not uh you know i drink this is my

sense this is the sense that my rationale right right right because you when you get to 15 if you he's rather just wasting all that time that I wasted personally like getting fucking high and drunk and all the bullshit we do if I had I focus more when I first got here then you know

I wouldn't have to do some of the shite that I've had to do over the years you know and that'd be marvellous and I could be retired now fight in my fucking mind drunk high

stoned every fucking day they'd have been great but were you ever reckless reckless where it's like where it's like you got a big speech the next morning, yeah, I gotta act and you get just shit-faced till two in the morning.

I'm gonna say no. I'm fucking liar. Never. Fucking liar. I don't know how people do it. I can't do it. I'm too stressed. You know what? The one gets me hung over now. I just found out at Easter, sugar. I had so much candy.

I woke up the next day with a fucking hangover. The raven, the raven crazy-ass Scotsman who fights and drinks like a fucking crazy man. And, and I had some too much candy at Easter and I had a hangover the next day. It's the end of, never again, never again, never again was out of sky. I'd actually said that. Have you ever like one time I got high.

Actually, I got high once filming years ago because I had very few lines that day. So I kind of smoked a little joint. Worst not a good idea. I was so paranoid. I was like, what am I not doing it right? Am I off? Am I off? What's matter?

your energy is kind of well you hit me you hear me yeah it was paranoid it's horrible have you done it too I've done that it's the worst thing I did it doing Macbeth when I first started on stage I was fucking the worst experience

how do you get stone before you do McVet there's a story behind it we'd be rehearsing rehearsing and you know it was the first week we'd got the first week under our belt the sits theater I think it was in Glasgow or whatever the fuck in Glasgow

go. So we're the weekend and my friend shows up in my apartment and he says, oh, I just got this amazing weed. It's called skunk. And I thought, oh, you know, I'll try something. This is a long time ago, kids. And I'll say, I'll try something up. It's 12 o'clock by 7 o'clock curtain up. That'll be fine. No. I smoke something like that. One o'clock. I'm still at my mind. Two o'clock, three o'clock, four o'clock. Now you're getting paranoid. Now, freaking out even more because it's getting closer to the curtain and I'm just freaking. out of my mind and then all of a sudden I'm on the stage

Macbeth the dude Shakespeare's flying and you're still high I'm high at my fucking mind I can't I want to what am I and then Macbeth to me who waiteth at the door or some shit Who are you playing? I was playing seating menteeth I played like four

different characters oh god oh lord yeah I try that one so I'm playing all these mad crazy characters and then he says who knocketh on the door which is not Shakespeare you're not knocking on it and that's not I know I know what it was I he says to me

who's knocking at the door and I say there's a couple of guys at the door which is definitely not Shakespeare and Shakespeare fans sit in the audience and they turn the pages you see them with the books and they can hear that that's not what he said

I said he's just coming guys with the door anyway boring story but that's why you should smoke marijuana kids did Robert Carlisle who got you into acting into stage and stuff did he did he call you out after do you say were you high did he say anything to you he didn't get any left probably do you have any on you do you have any of moby carl i love that kid that kid you guys still talk oh yeah yeah yeah we had a little uh a little um gap and in a love but uh yeah he's he's fantastic i always found that to be just an interesting story

because your life would have been completely different right my life was crazy. I was working as a DJ. A DJ. What kind of music are you playing in? What year is it? Bring me back. Paint the picture. I'm 21 years old. I'm in Greece. I was DJing a little bit in Glasgow. Then I get offered this job in Greece

and I think perfect time. So you're a good DJ to get offered things and like... Yeah, well, I think the girl like me, the girl who was getting married to the Greek guy who owned the bar restaurant play club that I was DJing and Santerini, Santerini.

That's an island. Porta Rafti, that's where it was. Porta Rafti. Anyway, I get there in the nick of time because I had warrants out for my arrest, so I thought it was tight to skip town anyway, so it was very handy. So I went there for six months,

not for anything bad, just silly stuff. And I get there, and then after six months, I come back to Glasgow because I was in love with this girl at the time. which I wasn't five minutes off the train. I thought, what the hell am I doing back here? And then I started DJing there, and the whole scene had changed to a seed

and house music and all that kind of stuff. So I had to throw all my records away and then start again. So then I was now in the rave scene, which just cropped up everywhere. You find in a warehouse, an old barn, and you've put flyers out in thousands of people, you know, and they will come.

What kind of music were you playing before the rave? Before that, I was kind of easy, clubby shit. Like who was your favorite bands back then? Who were you listening to? I would see psychedelic force. Ake with a Bonnie man. Yeah. Were you a Smiths fan?

Smiths, I can't know. Morrissey always bugged the shit. He bugs me now. I love Morrissey, but now he bugs me. Yeah, I, I used to love the Smith's a tide. The, the, the, the, yes. That was always a good one for Craig Pleaser. That was always great.

It's just hard to imagine. you as a DJ because now I look at you, you're fun loving, but I mean, but you're, you play these dark characters and we just were talking about this right before we started talking on the show, but you were like, you want to do something funny and you, you might do something with Reno 911 as possible, right? No, well, let's keep it under wraps, but yeah, hopefully. I would speak to Kerry yesterday and, yeah, I'd love it. Should we not mention that?

Should I bleep that out? It's fine, it's all good, I'm sure. Yeah, it's fine, but you might, you might do something. I didn't say you're doing something. I'm doing the power thing. Let me finish my little story, my little journey. Did I fuck your story up? I was so excited.

No, no, no, no. I just, I just, I have, I just thought about how Bobby Colell came out to the conversation. Ah, the transition, sorry. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money, period. It's Rocket Money. It's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow.

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How many times did they stab you? I'll leave that from my memoirs, those little beautiful details. For your memoir? Yeah, my memoir. But you had no idea that they just attacked you. No, I, I, yeah, yeah. Were you mouth in them? No, they told me they'd fucked up my brother.

We'd done your brother was the comment. And that in Glasgow means he's done, he's over. And I lost my shit. And I slapped some fucker, and I say, I'll take all you guys outside. And I went outside, like, and I waited for him like a fucking idiot. And I knew they were told up. But anyway, they come out, there's fire exit, and I went, bah, blah, blah. By yourself.

By myself with my trusty Heineken bottle, which was not very handy as all. Jesus Christ. And they just, oh, stab, stab, stab, stab. And you, did you, honestly, when you close, your eyes like, I'm dead now. This is the end of my life. I was so enraged. I remember that. I remember the pain of the knife going in. It that hurt. You could feel that you weren't in shock.

It hurts that bad. It just, you just, your body just buckles. You, oh, and you just feel out of everything coming out of you. And then he tried to stab me twice and I grabbed the blade and it cut through my, there, all the way through to here. I'm punching in my thumb. Jesus Christ. And then the other guy was, and yeah, it was just rip, Anyway, I got my back against the wall, kept kicking. And then I started walking.

And then, anyway, I survived. They got me to hope. They survived. It slowly goes on and on. Right. But they got me there. And the nick of time, whatever, brought me back to life. And then Bobby Carle, when I got out of hospital, Bobby kept me see me and he said,

Tommy, why, why you keep doing this crazy world you're in? Why don't you try joining my theater company coming? join rain how old do you 25 just 25 and uh i'd never thought about acting in my life not for one second i'd always love movies you know what did you love what inspired you what did you who what actor did you know the most bizarre thing was was uh was mad max with male male gipson mad max my that was sensational i mean i love dene no like good at what bad max was a badass but was a badass motherfucker and then my first movie is Brave Heart with Mel Gibson

it was one of those bizarre ones so I did theatre with Bobby for a couple of years Brave Heart comes to town Patsy Pollock casting director sees a little bit of me on she comes to the theatre and goes I have them wrapped and clean

and was brought around to Mel tomorrow so I go and see Mel and the rest is what are your parents thinking when you said yeah I've decided not to DJ I had this revelation I almost died Carlisle comes in and says, I should be an actor.

What's your, what's your mom thinking? Because I know your- Thoughts, Mama. What did Mom say? Well, my mom, she was so relieved, I think. Because, I mean, Glasgow was a tough, tough town. And she's just seen her son on these deathbed brought back to life with his face open. You know, she was horrified. Yeah.

And I remember she came to visit me in hospital. This is so fucking depressing. No, this is. I mean, this is real shit. This is like, well, it's real shit. But she came to see me in hospital. And I remember lying there. It was day one.

And they've got me the morphine thing, which was my mom. Here's my sound effect, because I was a morphine pump before it. That's the very fella. It's so good. So much fun. Don't do it, kids.

Don't do it. Get damaged first. Then do it. Fentanyl is what you want. No, I'm kidding. Stay away from all that shit. All that shit. That is all bullshit.

But she saw you there. But she saw me there. I remember thinking. oh my god why is she being so strong I mean I'm not strong I thought he doesn't see me care at there and I'm thinking I can't be that bad because I hadn't seen myself obviously

right can't be that bad and she's tuck in the bed and there's friends all around me I've got like a million flowers I look like fucking Liberacee with a bit of roses I've got so my mom then she leaves and then years later months later years later

let's say my friend said to me you know when your mom left she collapsed in the elevator so she was being so strong for me you know wow so when I finally stepped onto the birds and she kept to see me and she knew I was shite at first

but she knew it was potential there and she always told me like yeah pretty good son pretty good son pretty good son always supportive always really supportive did all your siblings come to see the players yeah well kinder what does that mean they slept through it

It's probably, yeah, you know, under your ass, get there, I don't know you got beaten. But, no, they, they would, I've got two brothers and two sisters, and they would kind of show up occasionally to my performances. But they supported you. They all support me to this day. What was the first play you did? At Conquest of the South Pole, it was called, by, my memories.

But a big role? No, it was just, just to get you going. Just to get me the feel of the stage. Were you nervous on stage? I'm terrified. Right? And I remember sat in this oil drum And when I said at the backstage

I never done it in rehearsal And everyone's on stage in the opening The curtain goes up, everyone's on stage And it's a kind of like Desolate fucking ravage place And I'm on this oil drum And when I sit on it the metal goes down You know, depresses sort of thing

And I think, oh my God I stand up, this thing's going to go doying behind me And sure it's fucking sugar nuts I've got it's my cue and I got off this oil drum and boing right behind me and every head one is every eyeball is on me and I was standing here freaked out of my mind and I ran up and not ran up I did run up I think run up to the main actor of the Sandy Morton it was and I see my line and then I run off stage and I remember standing backstage going wha-ha shitting myself

but you from that moment you still had like you wanted it you wanted to be better you You found something that you just, it scared the shit out of you. But it was a good fear. It was a good fear. It's a fear that I liked and I wanted to pursue it and I wanted to be the best I could at it. Did you need to hear affirmation? Did you need to hear who was it that constantly said, hey, you got something.

There's something here. You're good, good job who just. Glasgow is great for that because they never give you great confirmation. It's like you get that. That was all right. That's it. And that's pure love. That's love.

That's all right. that you know what you get pretty you know what kid you got presents i'll give you that and then it's like all right i'm doing something because they'll tell you they're a tough audience and a tough you know so when did you think i'm fucking i'm good i'm good i still don't i still i'm still fucking i'm still that guy runs off the stage kidding me i don't think that ever goes away does it do you still think you know when you do stuff you're like i fuck i hope that's good yeah you have confidence or do you hide it do you think that you you play tough guys a lot of times you have to have this confidence do you think it's like you have to have this false

bravado do you think that you go into it confidently or do you kind of like just say i hope they buy that i hope i look tough enough i hope i go on it with uh with a lot of history growing up where i grew up i i i just think a certain people that i grew up with are who i knew back in the day and i remember the fear when you meet some people you've been a I remember being in a room with certain people who wouldn't say a single word, but their silence was the most terrifying thing. And then the only time they'd ever have it,

they'd speak up in conversation and violence was mentioned. Oh yeah, I remember the time I cut off the wee Willie's fingers and stuck him up his nose and put them in his ears. You know, it's something weird. Yeah.

But you remembered certain people from the baths. I remember I always draw on people from the past. and yeah because you know i grew up in tough places but i was never i you know i i could throw my hands about it all that nonsense but but it is all nonsense do you think after you like you face death like you did like you're on your deathbed does that make you i mean it probably does probably a stupid question but does it make you stronger do you feel like i'm not scared of anybody now i'm not scared of anything because i've been so close you know what it makes you it makes you it makes you uh it makes you recognize fear

and where I grew up you never show fear. To show fear is to show weakness. What it made me do was it's okay to be afraid. It's okay to be afraid that you just nearly died

by the hands of five fucking psychopaths with knives. It's okay to be afraid of that. And that took me a minute and when I I never had this conversation before and when I had that moment of revelation, oh you want to call it um it cleared the way for me and it's okay it's okay you can be afraid it's

okay to be afraid and i and then it was a relief it was such a relief and then i could take anything on because it's okay and then if you failed it's okay to fucking fail just keep going you just got to you know ever wonder how dark the world can really get well we dive into the twisted the terrifying and the true stories behind some of the world most chilling crimes. Hi, I'm Ben. And I'm Nicole. Together we host Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast that unpacks real-life horrors, one

case at a time. With deep research, dark storytelling, and the occasional drink to take the edge off, we're here to explore the Wicked and Reveal the Grim. We are Wicked and Grim. Follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform. Yeah, do you, uh, would you nowadays walk away from a fight if somebody picked a fight with you? Would you walk away if somebody told you to fuck off? I probably wouldn't.

You probably fight. I know, God damn. I mean, we're getting old to the point where like, if I was physically stronger, I would, you're not strong,

you look strong. Yeah, but you know, you know, you've got, you know, it's quite quick. Yeah,

I would what, I would prefer to walk away. I would much prefer to walk away. But I do have a mouth on it at times. I do have a mouth on. Does it still happen every once in all? Does it still happen every once on? Was somebody says something to?

to you know, you can't live in a bubble now, you know, I live out and fucking, you know, out there and so, you know, there's not really any Malibu tough guy he's kicking around so I'm just going to put up a safe zone at the moment. Oh. But, um, no, I don't think

so. There's no point. It's just no point. It's just, I'm not about the hate and revenge thing anymore. It's just you know, it screwed me up for a lot of years, you know, after this as well. I mean, I came here in 90s. I did Braveheart. I did Braveheart And Mel said, you just come to California

and meet some people. So he liked you. He took you under his wing in the way. I was only supposed to be on Braveheart for two weeks. This bridegroom. They didn't have a fucking name, the bridegroom. And I was supposed to get killed. Yeah, because you're everywhere in that movie.

Yeah, he then, Mel said, no, no, we're keeping him. So I was four weeks in Scotland, then I thought, then they were moving to Ireland for five months. So I'm like, so what the fuck? So I got up to a production. I see, so what am I doing here? I was only supposed to be for two, weeks. Now it's four. Now you guys are going to Ireland. I'm curious. Am I going with you? Hold on a

second. I checked the script. He's fluffing through the script. He gets to scene 200 and something. Oh, no, you're here, Tommy. Oh, okay, great. Six months? Six months I was on that movie. Six months. Was it one of the best moments you're at the best times you like? It was the greatest. What about it was so great? Hey, it was your first movie. My first movie and it was, it was, it won six Oscars. And I mean, you knew. You knew it was an epic. I'm sitting on the battlefield. with Mel Gibson's brother Donald without the D Donald without the D

He tells that story He told his name was Donald without the D And the girl said, oh Arnold No Donald Without the, never mind But I'm sitting on this hill with Donald Without the D And he

I'm just sitting and watching his battle scenes I mean it was no seat It was very very little CGI back then And it's just thousands of extras It's the Irish Army the Irish Volunteer Army or want to kill people I'm going to kill you

and just charging each other to the point where Mel's like you know what guys it's a fucking movie we don't want anyone to die but just watching it was just this epic thing you just knew it was going to be huge but it's got to be tough going from one of the best movies ever made

to then continuing your career because usually it's like you do a shitty movie I did this piece of shit followed by another piece of shit followed by hey, you were good in that piece of shit. And then we, oh, that's a good one

and there's another, but to go from, you were in the, one of the best movies ever made, and then what was the next thing you did? The next thing was, the saint.

That was good. Philip Noyes. Another good one. The game. Another good one. Well, little parts, but you know, it was still something.

And then I think it was gladiator was next. Jesus. Which is another one I was supposed to be on for a short, period, then Russell, Russell tells this story, then Russell and Ridley had the conversation

oh, let's keep this kid around. Why is it? What is it about you? Is my fabulous talent and fucking magnetic charisma? Is it people, they, they, what do you think Mel thought when he met you? Are you just, I mean, maybe what I see is just a really likable, fun guy to have

around who's actually really talented. Yeah, plus I think, you know, we live in such a, we work in such an insecure fucking business. I mean, my God, if you,

you won't become an actor, then good luck. Stick with it. But it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so disbiting. It's so destroying.

It's so disduring. It's just humiliating at times and all these other things. Yeah, yeah. But what is it? They maybe you think that they had a liking to you that they felt better

when you were on set. They liked having you around. I don't know, really. I don't know. Are you friends with them to this day? I am, yeah. I still talk with Russell. I still talk with Melvis.

Ridley, I've got tons of love for. You talk to Ridley? I was spoke to Ridley in a while. No, I'll have to say, it's been a long time, so I spoke to Ridley. But I'd love the man of death. He's great.

But what was it like a movie like Gladiator? Again, intense. It was incredible. My first day is, I get to Malta, and I walk on a huge, huge set. It's like Rome. They've built fucking Rome.

And there's hyenas and giraffes and tigers and lions and all come and parading down the streets. Huge big crane swooping in and okay Tommy we need you down. I'm like, oh, whoa, what? And remember, I didn't have any training. But you did some theater. I did.

It did some theater. That's training, isn't it? Which was great for the acting thing. But as far as Billman went, I just sat there and watched, you know, I would hang out at Video Village and watched it. What's that? What's that doing? Ask questions. Maybe that's what was so great. Maybe the fact that you weren't so aware, so aware of yourself that you could be more free and you could

almost theatrically in a lot of ways. I never, never thought about the camera. I never saw it as a career. I always waited for it. I was always thinking, okay, this is my last moment ever. Not, not like in a depressed way. I just thought, okay, this is fun. Let's see where it goes. and it just kept going and going and going. Is that still how you feel or at this point you finally go ahead? No, no, that's my job now. That's just what I do.

But how long did it take before you said, okay, I'm an actor? Because it took me quite a while before I thought that. Oh God, it takes so long, doesn't it? It does take a long time. Because you're working with these amazing people and you think, I can't do that. Yeah.

And you think, but you know what? You just have to accept this is what I do. And this is, it took me a long time. It took me years. I would say God Probably even after Brayfar, I was still floundering Trying to figure out

What the hell I'm doing Really? You weren't sure if you were still I wasn't sure But I think I was Also I wasn't I didn't want to ask anyone I just assumed They all assumed that I knew what I was doing

But I didn't have a fucking clue So You're like why do they keep casting me Why did it keep giving me I don't know what I'm doing here Do you watch yourself? No Never

No Well, the show I'm doing right now is power for force. Power for force. On stars. It's the 50 cent, Courtney Kemp, Power Universe. You watch that. I just, I'd be just finished the first season. And I love Joseph Sikora.

Honestly, he's one of the best, if not the actor I've worked with. Maybe the best, maybe very close to it. Wow. Yeah, he's fucking, I'm telling you, Joseph Sikora is one. of the most underestimated actors of our time, this guy. He's just so good. Another guy, Michael Socker, who's also growing. Anyway, they elevate you.

I diverse. And to watch these guys, I love it. And I want to be, and I like to play in that arena. I want to, oh, come on, let's, let's go for it. And I love it now. It makes you better, doesn't it? It makes you so much better. It's like when you're playing, you know, I play pickup sports.

Like, I'll play pickup hockey. And if I'm out there with a bunch of other old guys like me, you know, I'm just, I don't. but when there's great players playing against you, like sometimes some pros play on their off-season, it elevates you, it makes you want to be better, it excites you. Exactly. You know? It's just exciting.

I love it. Do you still, honest to God, don't lie to me. Do you get nervous? I get terrified. You still get nervous when you act. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Every time. Every time, bro.

Not every take, but usually to get you going. Once I'm in, once I'm in it, I'm fine. But just that walk from the trail. to the fucking stage and do do do do and then get that first line out, especially that first day. Oh my God. Yeah, why is it?

I don't know. Maybe it's... You want everybody to go, okay, he's here for a reason. The director's like, yeah, Tommy's here. He's good. Everybody's good. Like, okay, now I can stop being so afraid. And you get that and that's wonderful. But at the same time, they're just saying that. It's crazy.

It's such a mind fuck. It's a mind fuck. Who runs lines with you? Oh, God. That was a problem. Last season, I was. um the COVID bubble so it was really hard I was FaceTime my wife and running lines and stuff really which doesn't really work you need to have someone in the room you can throw a scripta

or screamer right you know as in characters sort of thing but it was just to memorize lines just to get them in there but it wasn't for some reason it wasn't sticking with me you know we were talking before we didn't really elaborate on this but you want you want to do more comedy comedy I like yeah come on what do you want to do like what would you're one of the money funny as money is. I'm not that funny. You're funny. You're funny.

You're the money. See, that's just why. This is, here we go. Back to not knowing what we are and how good we are. You're fucking hilarious. The reason I'm doing this show is because you're so fucking cool. But we're getting deep.

We got some deep shit. I like. Right up inside you. Right up inside you son. Ryan, Ryan loves this. Ryan's over there. Yeah. He's not on camera.

What? What? You're enjoying this? I'm enjoying this. Yeah. Doesn't have fun? He's got such a great personality. It's great.

It is. You've got, you know, you just, you can tell stories. That's what I like is you can tell stories. And when you tell them, I'm there. Right. I'm there. See, my great-grandfather, Charlie Riley, was a merchant seaman. Nothing to do with sperm.

Traveling the oceans, you fuckers. Merced semen. And he, uh, he lived through his 96 years old. Usual story. He smoked cigarettes every day, drank whiskey every day, did a day. But he, because he traveled the world, when he kind of retired in his life, he would go from town to town in Ireland and he would tell stories in different bars and everyone would buy him drinks and he would sit and tell these tales. I was in Hong Kong, I was here, you know,

just a storyteller. So maybe not. So that's how you get it? That's where you get it? Maybe that's where the shenanigans comes from. I don't know, maybe, maybe. So what, when we're talking, like, what, like, who would you like to work with? Like a Judd Apatow movie? like a like a Jim Carrey movie a Will Ferrell movie Would you do something like that Oh, those guys 100% Adam Sandler asked you to do a movie Would you do it?

Sure, absolutely You do something crazy and stupid Do something nuts and crazy I mean, why not? Because I mean, I know I get nervous and stuff But I think that's another Motivator Motivate and another body

I have to kick down I can go out there and just be a goofy fucker Right Which is great Just to lose yourself and be stupid And then if it works, it works, if it doesn't Then it gives a fuck You know what I mean?

End of the day, it's not fucking saving Curing cancer or any bullshit It's just having a giggle Could you do anything else? Do you think? No. If it wasn't acting, is there anything else you could do? Besides DJing, go back to DJing,

maybe some armed robbery or No I don't know I think No this is what this is what this is a this is a you couldn't imagine but you're saying obviously but do you have do you have to work do you feel like you have to constantly be busy constantly filming or you'll go crazy i do yeah you do is that is that a healthy thing i don't think so because i mean i i've

done some shite i mean i mean let's face it we've all done it well you know you have to it's just how do you but how do you if you're doing shite you know it's shite but i don't believe it's shite at the time I have so much love for what I do and I never I never I've never call it in because that's ridiculous but I'll go there and go about give it 100%

and you just hope that everything falls into place and yeah have you ever done shite and knew it was shite while you're filming the shite oh god the shite trail the shite trail

the shite trail I'd not yeah I have fuck you oh god it's not a good feeling but you have to kind of convince yourself it's all good. Or you don't trust the director.

Oh, when he, there's a couple of directors I could have kicked up and doing the fucking set, yeah. Were you just like, I would... In fact, I did chase a set on director one time. Really? Yeah. What happened? Oh, he annoyed me.

What did he do? It was, I had to kick this door open, and it was quite a big feature of this thing. Pretty big. And I had to kick this door open, and it was set a certain way that the door handles. She'd fly off, and I had to kick it a certain way and whatever bullshit.

And I kicked her, and next minute, fucking, he'd already be getting to my nerves, this guy. And, um, they had to be, oh, God damn it, son of a fucking bitch. And throws these little monitor down. And I went, and I went chasing after him around the set. You chased, they had to stop you. I chased him to, can I stop me? He said, Tommy, Tommy, come on.

He's just, he's just been a moment. Was he scared? Well, he, yeah, he, you know, left the building rapidly. Boom. Do you know that happened to me once? where uh i mean i don't think i would have connected with the guy because i don't interrupt you but i wouldn't have i just wanted to get in his face and say you little shite you told me to do it this way and this is the fifth time

we've done you blah blah blah right right right but he was and you're being a little baby about it and you're being a baby and i'm and i do see my buddy and then he embarrasses you in front of the crew it's like that's what it was i don't like that i was embarrassed once in front of the crew and it had nothing to do with me the guy was upset because he was late he was behind and he just looked at me and goes you're fucking me right now you're fucking my day oh and he was he was so if he was right i would have said sorry sorry my bad but he was so wrong that i was enraged i i remember the take the ad goes rosy we're shooting we're shooting now rolling roll and it's a big crane shot and it comes up to me and it passes so-and-so this girl

comes to me and i go fuck it right i mean that was my it wasn't my line obviously i just go fuck it and I just beeline and they stopped me. I go, don't you ever fuck. I lost it. And he eventually came to the trailer and I go, look, man, you can never fucking talk to someone like that again. No, you can't do that. And you were wrong.

Yeah. You know, I remember that Tom Arnold. You know, Tom Arnold? Of course. Tom was on, we had Tom doing a little stand on. Sons of anarchy. Yeah. So he was working with Schwarzenegger on, what was that movie with, what's her name?

with Jamie and the Curtis True lies He was doing true lies And James Cameron Comes up to Schwarzenegger In the same fashion And says You are fucking me

Something like that You're fucking me You are fucking me right now Because he's laid on set And he walks away And Tom goes hey buddy Hey buddy I can't believe

You let him talk to you like that Why don't you kick his ass He goes Because he was right And that's what That's what it was when the director's right but when he's wrong

yeah you have to see you have to kind of stand up for yourself and you know and it's whatever this director in particular was was very wrong that day yeah and he did embarrass me in front of people did he apologize no we never spoke everything was communicated after that

for how long for the whole fucking shoot how long after how long was that a month left a month left was that uncomfortable no I don't like him anyway so it was good for me but you just get me um What's you want? Okay, done. And the movie didn't turn that well.

The movie was shit. Were you good at least? No, I've never seen it, to me honest. Maybe it's not shit. Maybe, no, it must be shit. I don't, you don't, I've never seen it. By the way, you have, you still have a lot of hair left. I've got beautiful hair.

You have a good hair. I mean. You know, what's funny is I just went to the hairstile, the hairdresser, the haircut. The barber? The barber? It's going to be barber. Fuck. It's been a long pandemic.

It's been a long pandemic. No, no. My guy, he's fantastic. Nathan, I love you if you're listening. He was looking and he just says, you know, you have just little area that's thinning. And it's just, you know. Fuck you, Nathan, fucks that. Nathan.

No, he just says, honestly, all you do is get the foam rogain or whatever you use, hymns. And you just like put a little foam in it every day and let it. And that's it. Just a little dot right here. And it kind of bothered me, not him because he was honest and it was like he's helping me. But I'm about to turn 50. And I thought, of course, now I'm going to start losing my hair. Now it's going to all start falling apart.

Because you're 56. I'm 56. How are your 50s? Be honest. Do you have a pain any act? Well, you know what? Life begins in your 50s. You throw so much shet up, so much clutter is going on up here that you can finally say,

get to fuck away to me and just become 50. And there's nothing, it's cool. But also, all those aches, whether sports, aches and pains or from fucking street fine however the hell you did in your previous lives they all come back every lump bump spraying and strain comes back to say

hi did you forget my hey look at your knees elbow and fingers everything but the hair was because of COVID I 2020 I didn't leave my property not once not one day all the way from September 2019 then they shut everything down to march the september 2 march was was my idea right i'd spend

some time with my baby daughter how old is your daughter now she's turned 10 10 she's incredible does she want to be an actress she's so funny she wants to save every animal on the planet oh i love my place is called flanning and's ark we have so many fucking animals how many animals do you have we have five horses a donkey a mule a miniature we have i don't know how many chickens we have four dogs a potter. I can't. A parter? What? A what? A parrot. A parrot. A parrot. A parrot. How you? A parrott. A parrot. It's my American parrot.

It's a parrot. It's a parrot. Apparently. So, yeah, so Flanagan's arc and there's more incoming, I believe. Is it because of your daughter? But I love animals as well. I have to admit. But my daughter's just, she's crazy for animals. She doesn't know what she's got an amazing sense of humor. Yeah. You know, she's, uh, Like, I bought the, I'm working out right now for season two of, power for force. Power four. Kids. With Tommy Flanagan.

Dan, Dan, Dan, Walter Flynn. What a character. And I bought this little bucket hat, you know, for when I'm cycling to keep the sun off, the old main. Right. And face. And I picked my daughter up from school. I said, Daddy. Why did you get out of the car wearing that hat?

I said, I was working now, honey. Please not wear that hat ever again when you come to my school. And then she tried, I was like, no, no. And then I just, I was sleeping in it. I didn't take it off. We're having dinner everywhere we went. I had this fucking hat on. I just wouldn't take it off.

It's driving her crazy. And she kept trying to pull it off and do it. And then she tried to do the reverse psychology on me. You know what? Actually, it's really cool on you, Daddy. It's super cool. You should wear that all the time. I'm like, no, no, no.

I've done that one, honey. I know that one. Do you feel like with, you know, being married, having a 10-year-old daughter, do you feel like now your age, you're thinking, I'd like to just kind of work in LA, if possible, unless it's something that I can't miss up. I mean, do you, do you, or you're like, fuck, I'll go anywhere. No, no, I can't.

It's not, fuck, I'll go. Those days are over. So my daughter was born. I just want to be home, home as much as I want to work as close to home as poor. I mean, I'm only in Chicago. I'll be in Chicago for the next while. Right. Maybe four, five years, whatever.

As long as the show goes. And it will go because it's great. But, um, but that's, that's quite an. easy one. But I'd love to work. I had the luxury of Sons-Avarnie for seven years when my daughter was first born. So, you know, I got to work in the morning. I could come home at night, which was fantastic. Are you still close with those guys from San of America? Yeah, that's a friendship that old stay, you know, that's not going anywhere. I saw Charlie not long ago. I see Boone a lot. I see Kim. I see Theo. Yeah, we always bump in. Pearlman? Pearlman. The peril. I love the

perils. Was he fun to work with? He's the best. He's such a sweetheart. And he's so, he's so, he's such a beautiful human being and I love his politics and he's so eloquent and he's just he's just he's just a beautiful man You ever work with any actors where you're just like I can't wait

to this fucking ends I can't stand this fucking woman or man or whoever Without saying We need to start naming names though I think we just start I think we just start naming motherfuck Should we?

Just call him out I don't think so I mean for you you're probably I don't give a fuck You won't give a fuck and then you call me. No, Rosie, fuck, we probably should bleep it. No, I have, oh, fuck, there's one guy. Oh, God. How bad was he? And what made him bad to work with? Bad? Because he was, he was so, he's so, he's so full of himself for a start and the most talentless fucking actor I've ever seen in my life. And yet he's huge. He's huge. And he makes so much

fucking money and he does all these fucking non-stop movies and it's just and it's agonizing and i think good luck to you son i'm happy you have a career but you are a horrible fucking human being the one i met anyway what was what was it that makes it some of a horrible thing the way he treated the crew is if they were fucking peasants peasants or some shit you know and it was just just galled me and i just had to i had to pull him up and say, you know what? You don't speak to other human beings like that. He's just fucking doing.

And what he said to you? Oh, I was just joking, Tom. I was just joking. You know who you are, motherfucker. You were just joking. So that was it. You had to work with him for a while. I had the whole movie to do.

This is like day two or something. And the middle of fucking nowhere. But anyway, that was all right. We figured up to. Yeah, I've had to work with people. There's been a few that I just like, I just feel like, I can't. They care just so much about themselves.

Why? I don't know. It's just like it's only about them. They're manipulative. I've had that and you just have to, you have to just somehow turn the line eye. You have to come together as a little community or a family, whatever you want to call it.

Because it's there on the screen. When it's all said and done, there it is on the screen, you see the connection, the chemistry, whatever you want to call it. And yeah, you have to. Every single person has to be. equally you want to say the name so badly i won't i won't let you i won't let you i know thank you rosy yeah um this is called shit talking shit with tommy flanagan these are from fans

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Walter Flindon. Stars. Bum, stars. Get your stars with Joseph Sikora 50 Cent, Courtney Kemp. Anyway, I'm not plugging. I love it.

It's great. It's such a good show. But that's close to you. Like it's a character that... He's a mismash of a lot of characters I grew up with. And if I'd continued on a set road, maybe I'd have been there.

Who knows? Haunted underscore John. What was it like preparing for the role of Tullick? preparing for Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and how much of that was you? I smoked cigarettes with sparkles and then we screamed

in front of the camera so that was our prep James Gunn, we love James we fucking love James we had Big Jeff there Steve of G aka Jeff love him

you were there fucking love you so Chris Sullivan Chris Big Chris I saw him there Dan Santa Monica so anyway there wasn't a lot of prep

from me got there's so it's like fucking everything's under lock and key i got my dialogue the night before and then when they sent it to me i was like i ain't fucking doing this really and i flew down to see james and james's like come on you got to do it do it so okay and then we figured it out and then i turned up one set and i've got my weird teeth and my dreadlocks in and did you like that process of getting all that makeup on or do you not like it i didn't mind it at that time because was it cammy who's her name i'm sorry the makeup artist yeah the hair Camille, Camille was so wonderful.

I spent a lot of tickets of dreadlocks and she had and she was great and they were all great in there and I loved it and yeah it was nice, it was nice. I get a little claustrophobic with prosthetics and things. I don't, I don't like that stuff. You know, thank God I just had to do CGI dots

on my face. Fucking lucky sparkles. That's where the name Sparkle comes from kids. Sparkles. Sparkles. You're going to call me sparkles from now on, Ryan? I mean, now. You fuck now, son.

Steph A. step a step a was an emotionally or mentally draining being in sons of anarchy it just looks like a lot of work yes you know because this fictional brotherhood became this

real brotherhood and we lived on that fucking set we we rode to our bikes to work in the morning and then we would on the evening and then we would ride our bicycle we smoked cigarettes and we would ride our motorcycles

home yeah we kind of lived that for for seven years so it was yeah A lot of what you saw up on the screen, like I was saying earlier, you have to have that camaraderie and everyone has to be treated equal and then if she was up on the screen,

I think that's why a lot of reason why Sons of Arniquet was successful. Yeah, I always like to know the crew right away. Love it. Some names, especially the people like, you know, everyone's important. But people that you're interacting with constantly, I want to know their names.

I have to. You can't go a month and then go, what's your name? What's your name? Help me every day. It's just fucking wrong. it's your family you see these people more than you see your family

you know and you don't have to continue after the show but when you're in the fucking think of it then get it done and let's give some love ain't difficult leanne any cool stories memories from the brave heart we talked but were there any memories that you have with mel gipson working with mill i remember MTV

oh wow that one just popped in there male was always up to these literally He always had tricks going on and pulling gags. He's just that kind of guy. Just fun, fun, fun, so I keep the set light. And the MTV, I saw how long ago this shit was, they were interviewing him, and I snuck up behind him, and I tied it to the interviewer.

And I tied a piece of string to the back of his costume. And then I tied it to a trash can full of dinner plates and bullshit and it's just lunch leftovers. Then I got around in front of him and said, Mel, Mel, they need you on set. She's sorry, we need to cut this interview. and he came running towards me and the bag was

the whole trash can dragging behind him which he was back to the MTV but give me the fucking tape he did a big swimming over cameras with the tape. Was he pissed? No no he was loving it. He's a flagging you can't to the tape.

Wow! Yeah there was a lot of that going on and I said there was so much that crazy shit going on and said. Really so he was able I spent a whole hour just talked about that Were you, is it mind-boggling watching someone direct such a huge movie, act as a lead role, and still be fun and... It was incredible. I mean, the guy, you know the big scene when he rides up and down, Sons of Scotland, be dying in your beds and all that big thing. Mel was riding back and forth on the battlefield all day long, giving the English their direction, given the Scots, thousands of extras.

There are to John Toll, the D.P. says, Mel, this is your big thing. Oh, okay, jumps on his horse, rides up and down, three takes, done. And it's one of the greatest fucking takes of all time. And the only reason he did three was because it was a problem with the camera up top. But three takes, and he's done. Okay, that's it. And it's a brilliant scene. He's up and doing it, on it, on it.

Wow. I mean, he did a couple of closups, insiders, I think. But basically, that was it. It was incredible. I wanted something to do the whole thing. And I was right behind him on my horse. They were not a Scottish. and I was so dumb

I didn't realize that it was a frame was there so I just see me down from there if I hadn't been a bit smarter like I'm now

but I'd just a wee couple of steps forward and I mean in short but whether I know so Eva H

loved you and sons of anarchy pretty much she's saying were you shocked how bloody the end was I can't remember

who was the end I don't know I thought knows what happened there was a bloody ending was it was a really

she says ultimately the characters were getting away comparatively easy for a long time on the show but you were you shocked how bloody the end was with the characters I guess Oh you mean I don't know Did people die? Fuck, I don't know

I've never seen sons of anarchy You've never seen sons of anarchy No I saw you did seven seasons I saw bits I've never watched the whole thing I mean I'd go to premiere And because you know

That's what you do isn't it but grudgingly I have to ask because that's what you do because I never watched the show because we were living that like I said earlier we were living that bullshit so I never really saw I mean I watched for vanity reasons

see how I was looking because when I started the show I was a fucking mess and then I kind of got a healthy season two or three or whatever. What do you mean? I was in the doldrums for a minute just I didn't know what I was doing next and my boy John Linson who's the exact producer

original creator of the show he also does Yellowstone and 1883 with which he's named Taylor Sheridan so John's a brilliant brilliant guy he's one of my dearest dearest friends my dearest friend and I'm not in 20 plus years

he's my daughter's godfather and anyway John came to me with sons and yeah and then we just did it but um yeah i don't know i just didn't watch it that's crazy i mean i i i understand that i think you know sometimes if i'm on a series or whatever i'll watch the first couple kind of you know see how it's looking how it and then i you know let it go let it go and that's what i i every season

i'm gonna be catch a little okay so i'm looking like that all right so i'll make that bit on next season somebody needs to make a reel of all your best stuff and then put it on there because you probably haven't seen most of it that you know what i go on Instagram do you see anything else you see on Instagram go Whoa that's pretty good That was that me Holy shit

That's not bad This is a treat This is a real treat That's for me For me darling It really is I mean you just I don't get to say and tell the truth often

I don't feel comfortable Telling some fucking Do you get anxiety I do yeah Like real anxiety Not being nervous about something But like anxiety Where like you feel like

it's taking you all. Corals. Yeah. No, I stopped smoking weed so that's diminished quite a, quite a bit. But, well, I've took a pause, I took a break, hiatus on the weed.

But no, I still get, I still get very anxious, yeah. I try, I mean, my wife, my daughter and my wife calm me a lot, especially my daughter, she keeps me very calm. They say something like this, I just heard this. Somebody's, tell me if I'm wrong. They said when you're with somebody,

when you have a significant other, that it makes your stress levels go down. Yeah. Is that true? I think maybe, I don't mind. Hopefully my child's not absorbing my stress. That's horrific. But, you know, I don't know.

Maybe it's the love. I don't know. They calm you. You just know at the end of the day, this is what your world is all about. It's not about what you're doing. This is your entire universe right here. And so, all the bullshit fades away.

You know, you can, okay. Yeah. Sitting with this crazy kid. 10 years old, telling you jokes and, you know, and she'll tell me some stupid. She's got to do some silly joke. You know, she'd like, you need to work on that, honey. That ain't going to fly.

Do you have any good Scottish jokes to end us with? Good Scott. I don't really do jokes, actually. I mean, Billy Connolly, the funniest mother. I grew up with Billy Connolly, for Christ's sake. He's the funniest man that ever lived. And listen, kids, if you're out there, you want to hear something hilarious.

Find Billy Connolly's big banana feat. It's an album from the 1970s and he does a version of the crucifixion of Jesus and the crucifixion only sets it in Glasgow and it's probably the funniest, if you, you might need subtitles, but if you can translate it or hear it, I understand that it's the funniest fucking thing you've ever heard in your life. The crucifixion by Billy Connolly. I'll leave you with that, ladies and gentlemen. Enjoy it.

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Oh, yeah. Did he pick on you at all? No. I mean, pick on you in a very fun way. Very, you know. No, it was, no, yeah, we called. coined shite talking shite talking

old shite talking oh yeah shite talking nick of my life remember that song Jive talking by the BG's Jive talking

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fresh perspective an adult an adult perspective uh-huh an adult it's something old wilson there It's like someone who hasn't even really watched the show And now you're watching it's like really cool I don't tell Luke about this one man Wow, wow man Jesus It's fun though It's good

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and then i can go so-and-so r blank r blank r r r r would help if they're all ours too guys we love having you listen we love you um for supporting this podcast or many podcasts out there but you choose us at least as one of your podcasts to listen to and i know there are a lot of podcasts out there so i thank you from deep in the bottom of my heart and uh i I guess that's it, Ryan. You got anything else? Do you want to promote something? Jeez.

Uh, no. Why don't you promote the new podcast that you're on? What, the talkville? What? The talkville? Yeah, the talkville. It's a podcast about Smallville. It is.

It's a podcast about Smallville. We're excited about it. Love you guys. Be good to yourself from the Hollywood Hills in California. I am Michael Rosenbaum. I'm Ryan to you. A little wave to the camera.

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