Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Stephen Amell Drops a Bomb

Episode Date: October 27, 2020

This week we receive an emergency appearance from Stephen Amell (Arrow, Heels) who drops some bombshell information about his recent experience while on set shooting his new show Heels. Hear why a surprise positive test left him questioning his future, left him experiencing severe guilt for his cast and crew, and left him feeling not as invincible as he once was. If you enjoyed listening to Stephen’s last episode on the podcast, and this one will blow you away. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's creepy. You know, it's because Halloween's my favorite damn holiday. Is it a holiday? It's a holiday. Is it? No, it's just a... It is. It just bums me out that I can't have people to the house to carve pumpkins and you

You were at the last couple. We won the last one. Yeah, shut up. You won the carving contest. I am the worst artist in history, and I did not win. I never even, so it's, for me, it's fun because I just go, I'm not going to win this. No one's going to ever consider me. I think I was, yeah, last every year.

But, you know, and then the haunted houses that we go to, my friend John and a few other buddies, and then Universal Horror Nights can't really do that. We can't do that. So it's like, fuck, what can we do? But you make the most of it. Like I do the horror zoom every week and I, you know, we watch horror movies and my friends are all in there commentating and sort of going, that's the worst effect ever. And it's just fun.

It's at least you feel like you have them. I want to thank everybody. We got some great episodes. Thanks for listening. Of course, follow the handles at Inside of You podcast on Instagram and Facebook at Inside You pod on the Twitter. Love looking at the messages. Please subscribe.

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from the patrons. Uh, you get a lot of bonus material and you get to ask questions to guests and there's a bunch of tears and fun and YouTube lives and it's just a big community and so many friendships have spawned. Spawned. Yeah, that had, yeah. Okay. I'll use spawned. And yeah, so if you want to go to Patreon, P-A-T-R-E-O-N dot com slash inside of you, uh, you could join. And I always write a message to new, uh, joiners, new members. I always, dude, thanks, man. And I say Rosie, so it is me. I don't have somebody message. I don't think you hate that when And somebody goes, oh, thanks so much. And you're like, was that them?

No, it's me. I respond to all of them. I send the merch. If you go on the inside of you online store and it's wrapped shitty when you get something like this awesome freaking tumbler, I send it. And when I see people go, oh, my autograph, because I get, you can autograph them too. My autograph smear it. I'm like, I send it. I get my new one.

It's authentic. It is authentic. But I send another one to them. I don't give you. You don't want to print it on there. You want the Sharpie to rub up. I don't know how it did. I blew it. That didn't sound good at all. But I just, I kept, you know, and I, you know, and I thought it looked dry. And, uh, every once in a while, was that a beer? Or was that a fresh, crispy, sparkling water? Crack it open a cold one. Cracking up a cold one. You know, in this episode with Stephen Amel, uh, I also brought up Ryan's rap thing. What's it called? Yeah. Recap raps. Recap raps. And Ryan did a while ago. And I was in one of them. I did a little thing where I, you know, Lexus. chilling. But he does this rap

for the Arrow universe, like all the seasons or whatever like that. And I told Stephen Amel about it today. And he goes, yeah, I know that. I was going to post. And anyway, if I want to check that out, work, if they go, Ryan. Well, they're all on the Warp Zone YouTube channel. People who know me probably know about that.

But what's funny is because the first time I met Stephen, I was going to bring it up because I had this whole rap. But because there's, okay, so there's a lot seasons of Arrow. Right. There were a lot and I hadn't seen one of them. So you had to watch an entire season in like two days. When we decided that was going to be the upload, I had to sort of find a way

to condense six seasons of Arrow. And so I read a lot of blogs. They're like, here are the 16 episodes you need to see. Saw a lot of cliffs. Read a lot of Wikipedia. And so basically like in order to find a through line through it, the only through line I could find is that they do a lot of shots of Stephen with his shirt off and working out. And so over the course of the wrap, I thought it would be funny to sort of slowly sort of drop the machismo of being a rapper and sort of like fall in love with Steve. So I had a lot of fun doing it. But then when he came here to do the podcast, had he not had a panic attack, maybe we would have brought it up the first time. Right. The first episode, if you didn't hear of Stephen and Mel before, he had a panic attack

on the show and had to leave early and then he came back and finished it. And one of the things I will say about Stephen is, dude, if you're listening, thank you. Because there's, there are a certain amount of my friends or, you know, and I didn't know Steve, and other than I met him at a convention and, but he did the podcast and then he did it again and then he asked to come back. He's just, what I love is he's actually a fan of the podcast and he thinks it helps a lot of people and he thinks it's, it's good. And that means a lot to me. And one of my peers, one of somebody that I, I respect him. The fact that he likes the podcast. So today he had some really, you know, interesting news. He called me and said, hey man,

I want to talk about it on your show. And I was like, wow, thank you so when you hear this this is uh you know I commend him for being so open and honest and that's what we look for in the show and I think the more people open up and you know somebody asked me how do you get people to open up and I go I think that you just you open up yourself you know what happens is normally when I look at it when I'm writing notes is usually around like like 30 40 minutes right that's when like some like really big emotional stuff gets dropped really it's usually around that time wow i don't even i didn't know that it takes a little you know it takes

a little greecing there's no rhyme or reason i and i don't try to do that i think it just it just happens sometimes it doesn't sometimes people are closed off a little bit most of the time people do open up kevin smith last week he was an open book he was an open book but he really talked about the whole chasing amy lauren amy lauren what's her name loren adams lord joey loren adams yeah and that and that kind of got deep and i was like wow i didn't know any of that so uh that was really intense And, you know, so anyway, that's it. You guys know the handles, the store. Rosie pants, the coat is Rosie Pants, one for 15% off the online store.

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You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Dude, what background is that? It looks like you're in space. I'm in my guest bedroom. Have you heard of wall art? I'm laying against the head rest of a bed. Oh, I see.

very white i kind of like this it's very 2001 space odyssey was it 2001 are you is that was that a serious question what are you really asking what you're the movie like year space audacity was well i question myself a lot so i was later on they're going to uh that was 2021 what do you no it was 2001 it was a kubrick film yeah it was yeah kuberk yeah you've never met my buddy nick he's a giant Kubrick fan and anytime I see him I always tell the same joke and it pisses him off every

time I go man I've only seen one of his movies and I don't know if I need to see any anything else have you seen eyes wide shut you shut the fuck up shut the fuck up man hey who finished that movie didn't he pass away and someone finished it

was it Spielberg or did he make it through that one I think he made it no I think he made it through that one but he died before it premiered Because I distinctly remember watching entertainment tonight or something of the like, and watching Goldie Hawn be very dramatic and just go, thank you, Stanley, thank you. I don't know why I remember that, but I do. Do you, would you act with the director that obviously, let's say you didn't know he was that brilliant. You didn't know it was Stanley Kubrick. It wasn't like his third film or even second film, but this first guy, and he's,

just, you know, and he just wants take after take and he's typing on the computer and he's typing new lines for a scene that you're going to shoot in two hours. Would you work like that or would you, how would you react to that? Well, I mean, if I didn't know, if I didn't know the person, I might get, I might get annoyed at a certain number of takes because I get annoyed at a certain number of takes. I was doing a short with my wife, um, during the early part of the pandemic. and even with her in front of all of her friends, I'm like, she's like, let's do one more. I'm like, you got it.

You've got it. So from that standpoint, I don't like doing a ton of takes. So, but then again, if I was going into it with someone like, who has the reputation of doing a lot of takes? Like Fincher has the reputation for doing a lot of takes, I've heard. I sort of like set my expectation. But in terms of writing new lines, I don't care. My showrunner right now, Michael Malley, is on set all the time, which wasn't always going to be the case, but is, you know, is the case now because once you get to Atlanta, we can't really go anywhere.

So he's there all the time. He's constantly writing new shit. I love it. On that day. So I actually did a table for a script that he wrote years ago. And it was up the street. It was Michael Malley. it was at Scott Kahn, name dropping,

Scott Kahn's house with me and Giovanni Rabisi and Michael Malley. We read a script that he'd written. It didn't come to fruition, but he was a super guy, and I knew him from New York, just a really baseball cap, fun-loving guy. And so he's writing lines for you on heels

right now, on the day that you're going to say later in the day? On the day, yeah, things are, you know, things are shifting around, try this, say that. Let's try things this way. Also, our director, Pete Siegel, who's directed a ton of things, most notably

from my perspective. Tommy boy. Well, his wife's my dentist. He directed me in a pilot and then the fucker promised me. He goes, if you do this pilot for me, Rosenbaum, I'll put you in my movies. And he never did. Listen to this. Funny story. So Linda's cleaning my teeth, his wife. He's best dentist, I think, around. And, you know, it's so Hollywood right

now, but I'm telling the story. And she's like, you know, you should definitely work with Pete. And I go, you know, there's a couple of roles that he's doing in this movie. It It was at the time, it was like, I don't know what it was, longest yard at the time. I made, it was years later. And I go, yeah, well, no, I don't, you know, he's like, she's like, what? I go, well, you know, Pete promised to put it me in a movie after I did this.

He's like, what? I go, no, I don't care about. I love Pete. He's a great guy. So listen to this. The next night, I'm out with some friends and I'll send get a call. And it's Pete. And I go, hey Pete, Pete, he goes, Rosenbaum.

Hey, man, listen, I'm out to dinner with my wife. I'm outside right now. Hey, I'm so sorry. I'm like, wait, what? He's like, listen, oh, no, I love you. I'm always thinking about you. And Linda, I go, I was, oh, I was totally kidding around with it. I know, but she thinks I'm an asshole because it was so funny.

Oh, Pete, I love you. I didn't think that. I didn't think that. He's such a sweet dude. Such a good dude. He's such a sweet dude. So easy to work with, right? Oh, yeah, 100%.

He gets little, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say impatient at times, but he, like, seems to be done in a, you know, in a very, in a timely fashion in terms. of setting things up communication with the crew i can see every once in a while that he's getting a little a little impatient or a little irritated but certainly not not not in a bad way he just wants it to be good he wants yes but he also wants to have as much time as possible with the actors right he's not he he very much once they block the scene like he sits back and he lets the deep P.E. And everyone do their work and get set and set the shot. But then when the floor is his, he wants the floor to be his, which I totally respect. Are you someone who's like always,

and we just jumped into this thing. And I want to get into stuff. But do you, uh, you know, I think we all are as actors, but are usually like, if you got it, you got it. Or do you like, I want another one. I need another one. I want another one. Do you do that? It totally depends. Not often. Not not often. And let's like, let's have an instinct. for something or on occasion maybe my initial instinct is wrong and then I get a note and I get it and the director goes all right we got it

but I'm thinking to myself that was really the first time that I did it that way I don't know if I was necessarily thinking everything through correctly so maybe give me one more but not that often not that often how much of a departure is arrow from this character obviously you're a freaking wrestler and you're like you know oh man it's so different and so cool um getting to do an accent which is cool let me hear

the accent no way 100% no well what is it what kind of accent is it maybe i could try to do it you can tell me if i'm close a southern little george little little georgian uh little georgia accent we've got a dialist coach on set all the time and and the only a nerving thing is that he's given me like two notes and they've been very small corrections. I really wish more. I really wish more. He's like, no, no, no, you go work on this word

and this syntax and, you know, so on and so forth. But he hasn't. And to Mike's credit, getting back to Michael Malley, there are certain words with the accent that just don't, do not feel right coming out of my mouth. sure so we just we just change them i mean not not not not fundamental like integral stuff

but just i don't know certain certain less words more phrases just don't feel totally natural so there's that aspect of it um like let's change knucklehead i don't want you use the word knucklehead anymore don't sound like you doesn't sound like you're saying it right so just say nagging something like that yeah noggin uh you know the character's funny or at least has funny moments, which is certainly a departure from, certainly a departure from Arrow. He's an adult,

which is not, it's not that, it's not that, it's not that, it's not that Oliver Queen wasn't and certainly didn't, didn't morph into one eventually. But he definitely started, I definitely started the show, living in my, you know, living in my, you know, bedroom that I grew up in, you know, in my parents' house. So, you know, in this instance, since my character's married, has a young

child, not even that, not even that young. The character plays eight. And, you know, he's in, he's in charge of a lot of people. So, I don't know, he's a little more grown-up. And, I don't Now, just stylistically, we move in a much, we move in a much slower pace in terms of page count. And also just the, this CW and the way that we shot Arrow, which I loved, but a lot of it was, a lot of it was very much paint by numbers. You're going to get a master. You're going to get a master. You're going to get a 50-50. And certainly in a scene between two people,

you're going to get two overs and a medium size and a closer size. And you're going to do that in every scene. You know, whereas we've got a couple of scenes where we don't do that. It's not, they're not big, long sweeping oneers, but the camera doesn't have to always be on your face. when you're talking so that you have that as an option more natural feels a little more natural at times it does feel a little bit more natural which is i think just the basic difference between premium cable and and network television not a criticism but you know just the way that it is

yeah we we did an interview a while ago and uh we we shit canned it as some say we just you know you called me and you're like hey uh we can't air it yeah i was fine with it i mean like oh i was all right You think we could edit it? Maybe it's like, you're like, I don't know. I think we should just kind of, we should, we should shit. I know, we just, we should get it. I didn't, there wasn't anything controversial about it. I just didn't know what I was supposed to.

I didn't know what I was going to be allowed to say about heels and, and just in general, and this is ironic, um, there was a lot of nervousness around the production about, perception and being one of the first productions to launch again, you know, in the midst of an ongoing fucking surging, frankly, pandemic. So, yeah. So, yeah, we just waited for a little bit. Now I feel more comfortable.

Well, what a good segue. So you haven't told anybody, really. No, no, not publicly, no. I haven't shot in. I have not shot heels in exactly three weeks today. I head back to work tomorrow. I tested positive for COVID-19. She's 15 days ago.

Two weeks ago, Monday. Today being, I think this is airing next week, but today being Tuesday, October. Is it today? October the 20th, so maybe 15, 15 days ago. And, yeah, and the thing is, is that I had already been, I had already been isolated from work because there was, there was a positive test on the show. And I repeatedly tested negative through the week, but ultimately for whatever. reason came down with symptoms the following Monday

got tested on the Tuesday and I've actually been cleared to go back to work since Friday this past Friday but they didn't know if I would be cleared for sure until basically this Wednesday

so they have been building other stuff into the schedule so as a lead actor you're getting tested on set every day or every well they check your temperature I believe every day right when you arrive on set every day you have your temperature taken, you can't just even

if you're at the studio, obviously when you drive into the studio, you get your temperature taken. They scan your card. You have to have filled out a wellness report. You know, have you had a fever? Do you have any of the following symptoms? Have you had exposure?

Yadda, yada, yada. And then you have your temperature taken. And even when, you know, you're arriving at, you're arriving at base camp or something like that when you're on location, somewhere's there to take your temperature and this is all being done by a company out of Arkansas called C-T-E-H

I think they're working actually on a number of shows, not just ours and they're excellent at they're excellent at they're excellent at what they do Did you have a fever one day or were you already experiencing something maybe the day before you're like

ah fuck I woke up and it was the strangest thing my fucking right ear was plugged and i was hot and cold i never ran a fever um it i'd say that that i noticed something i started to notice something on a monday but didn't have a didn't have a test result phoned up the people in c t a h had them come to my apartment test me came back positive the following wednesday i tested again came back positive again but frankly at that point i didn't need a second positive test because those first

couple of days just really they they just they just sucked um sucked how compared to like how you felt okay so this is interesting um for two nights i was up every couple of hours vacillating between freezing cold and boiling hot and I'd be freezing cold because I would sweat through all my stuff but get up dry off change my clothes um get back into bed warm up and then start sweating again and just like the cycle would just the cycle would just the cycle would just the cycle would just repeat um and the biggest thing and really i felt maybe the onset of of a symptom or two on a Monday and then by Friday i was feeling great but that that Tuesday that Tuesday Wednesday felt very very much like i was in a fog

like i had vertigo actually um you know if i got up too fast uh i would get i would get super dizzy I was just on the couch, just laying there, and I really had no appetite whatsoever. And when you don't have an appetite, after a certain point, your body basically, at least from my perspective, it goes into like starvation mode. So you want to eat, but it becomes about, it becomes about the like the reintroduction of food. and you're like, what's it going to be? And I don't think I, I don't think I ate anything until Wednesday or Thursday morning. And it was like plain pasta with olive oil and a bit of salt. Did you feel, did you feel like, nothing?

Did you sort of before? Because like, I mean, you look at, you know, you're an amazing shape, workout, got it together, strong. blah blah blah you know they always say be careful the the the people who are you know pre-existing conditions which obviously if that that's that could be deadly with you did you really think you were ever going to get it were you one of those people like you think I'm just not going to get it I'm not going to get this oh I always knew that it was a possibility number one and I felt a great deal of pressure to not get it and this is something that I got into once I got a positive test you know a lot of the a lot

of the mental fear but to answer this to answer this question first i've always been really good about about mask wearing about social distancing um just following the rules you know not going not going to a not going to a huge house party or or concert or whatever you know yeah or like super large super large gatherings where people aren't wearing masks. But I haven't been, I also haven't been totally afraid of it, which I know certain people are. And certain people have the absolute right to be,

whether you have a pre-existing condition, whether you're, whether you're elderly, you know, my mom is not elderly per se. but um i think that she's a little frightened of it because you know she's had a met she's had a medical history and you know you just don't know it's scary yeah people people are dying for it from it uh for me honestly because it was called COVID I've had to I've had to be where I've been for the past three weeks since the past well I was like released from quarantine this past Friday.

But you quarantined to be, before you even went on heels to start filming, you had to quarantine for two weeks once you landed in Atlanta, correct? I had to quarantine for two weeks once we landed in Canada because we went to Canada in the summer. When we got to Georgia, everyone has to self-isolate for five days. And then we get tested Monday, Wednesday, Friday. and these aren't rapid result tests but I mean you're getting them at if you test positive you're getting a phone call at you know six seven o'clock the next morning otherwise you're

just getting an email that says you know says negative so maybe there was a part of me that was starting to feel a little invincible because I mean by the time I test a positive we're looking at gosh 40 negative tests and what are you doing this time you're just on set you're not going gallivating galivanting around you're not no right so who'd you get it from do you have an idea of who gave it to you no I don't um I have absolutely no idea how it happened um you know I was I was out for dinner in Georgia, but I did, I did my own

contact tracing on that one and not finding any not finding any evidence that you know, it happened, it happened then and there. Is there a relief to it? Is there a relief that you have it? And you're just like, now I have the antibodies and now

it's almost like, oh, there's, because here's also, there is now, except there wasn't when it happened. The, the most difficult part about it and one of the reasons that I want to talk about it right now is is whether or not you're you're frightened of it there is a lot of fear mongering going on about it and there's a lot of there's a lot of conjecture and there's a lot of people that are you know basically trying to scare the shit out of you a little bit because when it happened and when I got the positive

tests, for me, it became, holy fuck, I just destroyed this show because I've never one on the call sheet. And I work every day, more or less. It's like four and a half days a week on this first block that we were shooting. And I'm in my head going, shit, they're going to have to shut down the production. You know, we're not yet done the first block of two episodes. you know, did I just, did I just ruin this? That's the first thing you're thinking of not, am I going to die? No, no, no, I, no, I wasn't worried about that. There is a, there is a little bit of a mental struggle because one of the things you hear about,

is you hear about the, you hear that the symptoms can be mild at the start, you can feel better. and then there's a relapse and things come back and when they come back they come back worse than before you know thankfully that that didn't happen to me but it's there's a real malaise that sets in and a real boredom because I'm down here in Georgia I'm solo what the fuck am I supposed to do

what can you do? There's nothing to do they tell you I ask my doctor can I exercise? Not recommended until when? Until you've been symptom free for 72 to 96 hours really? Yes

really so in those first in that first bit of time when I was isolated and and kept testing negative obviously you're not exercising and then you find you get a positive test and you're not exercising and then you spend almost a week symptom free you're not exercising

so you're just frankly resting how much resting sleeping how much how much weight did you lose 15 pounds 15 pounds and how long how long of time three weeks three weeks 15 pounds now that's obviously an issue when you look on camera if they're shooting stuff unless they're going to shoot you in clothes and things right one of the one of the great things about michael mallee is they when they told me that i was coming back um then my first day of work was going to be wednesday just tomorrow we were supposed to start uh we were supposed to start in the wrestling ring and i was speaking with the production and i i just ended them i go guys this is this is a non-starter this is this is this is a worst-case scenario for me i haven't been able to do anything i until i get back into

to the gym, which was yesterday, I don't know if I have residual impact in terms of lung capacity or anything like that, because you hear about that. I don't know what the lingering effects are because, you know, when you get sick, when you start to feel better, you are not aware of how hard your body is working

to make you feel better until you try to do something other than just sit around and feel normal. It's that first time when you go and do something we're like, oh shit. 98% of my body's energy right now is going into just keeping me at level. And so I was nervous when I got back in the gym the other day,

but Mike fixed it up and I've got a good I've got a good 10 days to be back in the gym. And one of the things that I'm hoping and one of the things that I've really seen already is that I've been training like a motherfucker. Like I had been in the gym five days a week in my home gym, usually on the Saturday or the Sunday, doing really, really good workouts,

mixing it in with shooting and being active and eating well. and so what you're hoping is that you know you're a balloon that deflated just a little bit but then hopefully you're gonna get blown you're just gonna blow back up um which is good I feel good uh I worked out early this morning and um leg day and it sucked but how long does it take to get back 15 pounds you get in 10 days you're not got to get 15 pounds but you might get five back? I'll probably get like 10 back. I really will. So you're eating like crazy and working out? Eating like crazy, but eating healthy. I'm eating because I need, I'm eating because I need calories. These are, these workouts are like an hour and 45 minutes. And, um, and they're,

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it's because how great of shape you were, how your heart was. working so well, your lung capacity, all these things that made your recovery easier because someone that doesn't work out like you, doesn't have your build, doesn't have your lung capacity, doesn't have your heart, and they got it. Do you think there's a possibility that they could have had it much, much worse? Yes, 100%. I'm, I've watched real time with Bill Marr for ever. I mean, since it, since it was politically, Was it politically incorrect before it was, but he's been on the,

I've been watching it for 20 years. And one of the things that he's, he's, you know, constantly been talking about that, that people haven't been really talking about as much is, like,

you might get it, but, and you can't always prevent getting it, which I'm here to tell you, you can't always prevent yourself from getting it. Try though you might. You know, I'm not the first one of my friends or people that I know that have been

over careful and still got it. But at the same time, I don't think people are talking enough about, you know, what you can do with your body and your diet to prepare yourself for the possibility that this might happen to you. And, you know, that I'm not a doctor, obviously. I don't even play one on TV, but I would be amazed if being in really good physical condition didn't work in my favor. Of course.

I mean, you'd think that it would have to, right? The reality is that no one, no one does that, though. Few people will do. Very few people are going to listen to this conversation go, oh, I'm going to start working out and getting real healthy. They're just not going to do it. People, people. I think, I think honestly, maybe not exercising your body.

A lot of what Bill Marr talks about is like, what do you put into your body? You know, what kind of food do you eat? What sort of level of nutrition are you trying to, trying to maintain? Yeah. You know, I'm, it's not that we need to put a bow on this, but anyone that thinks that this thing is a hoax is out of their fucking minds. It's not. I've seen it affect people recently, really badly, relative to me, with, with real with no real rhyme or reason to to to when it hit you um how it hit you how long it lasts

um and you know i also know people recently who have tested positive that are completely asymptomatic and it was nothing to me if this wasn't called if this wasn't called COVID-19 i wouldn't have missed a day of work. I would have felt shitty on a couple of the days, but I would not have missed a day of work. I have gone to work feeling worse than I did. But then all you're dealing with is you're dealing with a flu or you're feeling really run down or you're injured from a stunt or something or, you know, I have dealt with debilitating back pain that has made me nauseous and stuff like that. But

this is, this is serious business. Yeah. Well, you know why. And it should be taken seriously. Well, not only that, because it's not about, you're going to recover. It's going to be fine. The reality is you just don't know how each person is going to

recover. And I don't care how healthy you look. You know, God forbid, you know, I get it. And it would suck. But the fear is, I may feel, seem healthy, feel healthy, but maybe I have something that my body just does. I have a really bad recovery or if, you know,

if I don't recover. So that's kind of the fear. Most people recover from the flu. Yep. But you know what the hardest part for me, it seems like, you know, being alone, like being sick in your house all those days and no one wants to be around you and being isolated and sweating through your clothes and then putting new clothes on. And then like, it's like, fuck, you want the support.

I mean, where these at moments where you're like, God, I wish my wife was right here. Yeah. Yeah. It was really difficult because the day that I got tested was the day that my day that my daughter was going to come and join me down in, down in Georgia. and you know to have to delay that she meant that she didn't actually get to come down here until after her birthday while I isolated and so there's a real there's a real mental there's a real mental game that goes into this this isolation and and it's it's just it's not a it's not a whole heck of a lot of

a lot of fun because your mind starts playing your mind starts playing tricks with you and you get a nice call from Michael Mallee and you get a nice call from Pete Siegel and you get a nice call from Jeff Hirsch at Stars who just

says you know sorry there's a piece of fluff who just says he called me up and he was like Mr. Amel I said Mr. Hirsch how are you and he goes don't worry about me How are you? And I go, I'm fine.

He goes, all right, okay. You feeling okay? Yes. Is there anything that we can do for you? If there is, I will tell you. And he goes, hey, if you get bored, you ever want to call and just talk about the, you know, talk about the Patriots or something like that, give me a call. You have my number.

And that took away the fear and the real anxiety. that I've I've just gone and cost a lot of people their jobs but you know it only lasts so long and it happens on like day one or day two of isolation and then you know and then you're just kind of left with your thoughts I kind of wish there was like a COVID nurse he's like she's like I'm asymptomatic I have you know or I have the antibodies I could become your nurse and come over to your house. I think I'd be like day one, like, yeah, your COVID, you have to isolate for the next, whatever. I'd be

on the phone and the yellow, well, we don't have the yellow pages anymore, but I'd have my Thomas guy, no kidding. I have my phone and I'd be like, yeah, hey, I'd pay someone, whatever it is, man, just to come hang with me, be in the other room, yell at me every once in a while, maybe leave soup at my door. Like, I don't know, being, like, when

you're sick, there is nothing fucking worse than being alone and, like, you don't have the energy to get, am I eating in them off, am I doing the right thing? Should I take two fucking Tylenol? Do I take, what do I? I mean, you seem like you get your, you have your shit together, so you're not.

What I really wanted. I really wanted some weed gummies. That's what I really wanted. That would help, right? I thought about that, like, in my head, I'm like, what do I, what do I, what do I really feel like? Yep.

Yep. I feel like weed gummies. I want something to, at first it was like, because I wanted to really, you know, shake up my appetite and then it was more like you know maybe it'll help me sleep because I don't mess with anything

really anything to do with sleep be it Xanax or whatever I don't I don't ever mess with I stopped that with to do with sleep yeah I was doing that way back and I just that that just

that's artificial sleep yeah yeah I think I took one I took a pretty powerful pain killer one time. Tramazidone? I don't, I can't look like, legitimately can't remember.

Right. And maybe you'd like it in? Let's bike it in. Fikin, yeah, that could do, Norco, Norco, percocet? It might have been a percassette. It might have been like half a percassette. I was doing with really bad back pain. And I just never again, ever.

it was like it was trying to shut my body down but my body didn't want it was yuck yeah i didn't like it so um did anybody get it from you did anybody get it from you on set like you were positive do you think the makeup artist was like uh-oh i touched his hair not on certainly not on set so nobody on set after you uh tested positive no one on set was known to test positive so that's a good feeling at least you did right not that it be your fault yeah yeah i mean look it there are There are, we don't know if, if, I had some friends, you know, who have tested positive. And frankly, no one knows, no one knows who did it and how it happened. And the truth of the matter is that it absolutely positive.

could have been me. And so there was that aspect of it as well because not everyone had such a mild experience. Everyone's okay, but not everyone had such a mild experience. And that just, you know, that just rips you apart, thinking that you might be responsible for something like that. And that, I'd say that that was one of the toughest parts, but that, you know, that would be, that would be selfish.

I shouldn't be thinking about me. I should be thinking about them, especially when I'm having an easier time with it. But you don't know. You don't know. And so it all becomes about... It doesn't matter how you feel about COVID. The fact remains, it's a real fucking thing.

It can get really bad for people. And you don't have to be brazen or be dickish about it. But if you're not considered enough in the presence of other people to just haphazardly be a super, spreader because no one knows what makes someone a super spreader and and nobody knows if they are one because some people who are super spreaders are asymptomatic. So you have to think about community and you have to think about how it might affect other people. I mean, I'm incredibly fortunate that if I have to go to isolation, I have a job waiting for me on the other side. Again,

Thank you very much to stars for being so supportive. And what they did over the past three weeks, the shorted shutdown for one day, what they were able to do is mind-boggling, quite frankly, and just goes to show that they were prepared for it. But not everyone has the luxury of taking two weeks off. In fact, most people don't. We are in the midst of a global pandemic.

and you know times aren't tough for a whole lot of people and so you know it's just there's actually part of me that like thinks to myself fuck you know I almost wish that I could that I could know if it was me because you know maybe that would make me feel better It would make other people feel better, having someone to point a finger at if they want to, you know, if they, if that puts their mind to ease, if they want to tell me to go fuck myself. If it just, if it just, you know, puts a bow on this happened and here's how. But yeah, but I think, you know, you got it. Look, you're responsible. People, we're not perfect.

So for the people who actually wear masks and I get food delivered and I try to wash my hands or put alcohol on my hands and I go outside in the back. with three friends spread out or I'll go, you know, I'll do certain things. I'm not going to shut my life down completely and the world needs to move on, right? However, as long as we could just respect other people and that's why the matter. And that's what it's about. It's never about control and I'm not going to, I just, I don't know why it's gotten blown out of proportion. It's like, oh, because they don't know what we know it's real. We know people die from it. We know some people get really sick. Even if you seem to be healthy, and we know all these things. It's, It's talked about too much, maybe not too much, but all it is is respect.

Just, just fucking do it. Just fucking go into Walmart with a mask on. Yeah. That's it. We're not telling you to do anything. We're not telling you to fucking believe in this God or this. Just to just go. So you don't, I mean, it's, I'm, I'm with you on that one.

And I think I was, I was saying earlier, you know, I've, there is, there was an element of me that thought, you know, Jesus, I, I've, I've been testing. probably more than 99.9% of the population. I keep coming back negative. I'm in excellent health. I rarely get sick. I'm immune. You know, you're not all the way there, but I'm wrong.

I fucking got it. And it sucked. And that being said, you know, I wasn't at the level of, we're not leaving our house. That's it. Waiting for a vaccine. I very much believed that I very much. much believe that life needs to go on.

My wife and I traveled during the pandemic. We traveled with our daughters. We saw people on a regular basis knowing that they, knowing that they had been tested. And you wore masks and you were safe. And you wear masks. And we meet outside. And I have a lot of friends who,

who aren't even, you know, who aren't even comfortable with that. And, you know, that's perfectly fine. I do think, I do think that life needs to move on a little bit, but that doesn't, one thing doesn't need to stop you from doing, stop me from doing the other. If anything in the aftermath of this, I am going to be more, more stringent in terms of always making sure that I have a mask on at all times, unless I am to my destination, right?

Like, I don't need to fucking wear one in a car, but the minute that I get out and I do something, put a mask on, right? When you're in an airport, you're on a plane, you put a mask on. You just wearing a mask. I'm actually, quite frankly, really astounded based off of not knowing what I was coming into,

how respectful everyone in the area Georgia that I'm living is is is is is being but it entered and you know we've had I think ultimately three positive tests on our show one during production two to my myself included during production and one in a very early part of pre-production but you're dealing with hundreds of crew members I've done scenes with I've done scenes thus far with

a lot of background performers have you kissed anyone did you have to kiss anyone? Yeah yeah I'm married I've married on the show and yeah and our wrestling scenes

the first wrestling scene apparently they had like 80 90 extras in there. Every single one of them is being tested. Every single crew member, or certainly most of them, are going home to their families and they're not going through the same protocols that we're going through. They're spending

all fucking day every day. If you're not an actor on the show, you are wearing a KN95 mask. Period. Full stop. That's it. Which, I tell you the upside of that, people write their names on them. So I learned everyone's name really, really fast. From their mouth, that's good. Because it says their name on their mouth.

It was a suggestion of Michael Mallee, actually. And it was great. But once we're done, the podcast today, actually, I'm going to get a haircut and to shave because I haven't done either one of those things in three weeks. And I'm really excited to see the crew again. I mean, we were just, we were just getting started into a rhythm, you know, and then all of a sudden it just blew up. But on the positive side, I don't know that I'm now immune. I don't even know, frankly, how the whole antibody aspect of it works.

I do know that there's a possibility that I could test positive for another 90 days. I don't know if you knew, I don't know if you know the science behind this. But you can, there's such a thing as what they call it. It's a really unfortunate expression. It's called viral load. And it's measured between zero and 50. Zero is the worst, which is counterintuitive. But once you get above 40, you will still probably test positive,

but you're no longer contagious. you're expelling dead virus basically shedding viral shedding or maybe viral shedding that's right and that can last for a really long time so um you know on the show right now uh certainly for the next for the next little bit um having having gone through having gone through the symptoms having gone through a positive test having gone through uh my my period of quarantine And having been asymptomatic, you know, now for well over, well over a week, I don't actually get tested for the next, for the next little while. Because if I test positive, that, that flags me and then you have to get to the contact tracing again. And, you know, my buddy Michael Rooker actor, you know, Henry Porsche was Circular Gardens of the Galaxy.

So I face-timed him one day. He's like, hey, buddy. I'm like, where are you? He's like, I'm in my trailer in the backyard. I'm like, what? He's in his airstream. And I'm like, I got the COVID. And his wife's like putting meals in front of his fucking trailer.

And I'm like, how is it? Oh, my God, I'm sorry. And he's like, some days you feel like you're getting better. And the next day he's like a fucking elephant on your chest, man. And it fucking hurts. It's kind of, he felt, you know, I definitely could tell you, he was, it was like, you get a high fever. Then it feels like it's going.

away and like he he had it pretty rough and um just by talking to him i could tell him it was a shitty situation and uh so and then i've had some other friends from you know a friend of nashville she says it was brutal some people get through again like you said you never know how you're going to react so stephen's strong and he'd work you know his lungs and all this and and you know it sucked but he's getting through it now someone like uh you know someone that gets it who gets sick often might fall apart. We just don't know. He just don't know.

He just don't know. Last time he said something about before you were going to do heels, but you didn't know if the heels was going to happen and the pandemic and all this, all this things that were happening. Right now you're doing heels during the show. An idea came to you that maybe, you know,

I don't know, I'd consider another season arrow maybe. I don't know. It was just kind of the back of your mind. Right, you said that. Yeah, I did. And it was. I phoned. I phoned Greg Burlancy about it.

I mean, it's not a, from my perspective, it wasn't a far-fetched thing. This was, this was in early July. There was a plan to go back to heels in late August, but this was also during the summer surge that was happening. the states where they hit where they hit daily highs only to be eclipsed by the daily highs that we're about to hit now uh i had just gotten to i just got into i just got into Canada i was

quarantining it's you know i'm back in british Columbia it feels so familiar after eight years of shooting arrow and i'm also you know looking around at the fact that you know is Canada has seen a a bit of a, you know, a bit of a bump up in, in cases, which I think was, you know, is to be expected, expected, but I mean, the numbers, relatively speaking, are still so incredibly low and were even lower at the time. I mean, in British Columbia, you're looking at, you're looking at like less than 100 cases a day. And, and almost all of them, believe it or not, were confined to retirement facilities and prisons. Almost all of them.

And I'm thinking to myself, you know, if everything goes to shit, why are we just doing another season of Arrow? Because I want to work. Yeah. I called Greg up. And I said just that. I said, look, I hope this doesn't happen.

But if everything goes to shit and you guys can't get actors up here because of, you know, issues about mostly American actors crossing into Canada and if things can't be if things can't be figured out

here's the deal man I'm here and if I have to stay here I want to work if I'm going to work just figure out a way to bring all over back from the dead and what a Berlin he says like

are you serious? Yeah he goes are you serious? I go yeah, of course I'm fucking serious again I hope it doesn't happen but I mean can we at least put it like on the radar and he goes yeah of course you know fans are right now thinking you know big arrow fans who hopefully you'll watch heels because it sounds like it's going to be a badass show you got a great director great writer you got fucking step and it's wrestling it's going to be fucking powerhouse fun I can tell you that I'll be watching

that shit but um hearing you say that they're thinking well let's say this heel show goes for five seasons Maybe they do a special season of era five years from now. They're going to have their hopes. But hey, you never know. We know what happens tomorrow. So you can't say no. No, man. And hey, hey, listen, and I've always made a point of never saying, I've always made a point

of never saying never. As a matter of fact, when I found out that Michael C. Hall was coming back for a limited run. Dexter. As Dexter, I read tweeted the article. And despite what our president said, a retweet is an endorsement. I retweeted that article and I just said, this is why you never say never.

What does he mean by that? It's so cryptic. It's got a bit of traction. No, you don't have to cut that, man. I was a little nervous about that when I said it just because I hadn't even started on music when we spoke. But, no, I've started now and I'm more confident, more confident than ever.

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Benjamin Moore, see the love. You know, quickly about this, because I sell you, what was it, W.W.E. You did something a couple years ago

where you wrestled, and I've seen it. And who'd you wrestle against? I wrestled twice. I wrestled in a tag match against my buddy Cody Rhodes and Wade Barrett and Neville.

And then I did a singles match in what has become AEW against, Christopher Daniels. Okay, so I saw one of those. It was a tag team. And you were flying off the fucking ropes. I don't know how Warner Brothers, C.W.

didn't go, what the fucks? So my question is, are we going to see things that are similar in this wrestling show? And also, are the creator as O'Malley and Pete Segal? Are they kind of in this, and Hirsch? What's the guy's name? The guy who runs the... Well, Jeff Hirsch runs, runs... I don't know if Jeff is a wrestling fan.

But I'm just saying, are they, are they, are they, but I'm just saying are they going to be like all right you can't do the stunt you can't do that we're not allowing you to do guys I could do this I've done this let me do this we haven't pushed up against that as yet I can see pushing the envelope and eventually having them having them push back I suppose but I know we are going to we are going to see stuff like that that look we stars In one of the stages, I guess in one of the stages that we have in Atlanta, they took an entire stage, entire sound stage,

and they built us a gym called the Heels Gymnasium. Got a great guy, Scott, who's running the training there. It's been a stunt guy a long time. You know, it did a bunch of, did a bunch of, did a bunch of the Marvel movies and then we have Luke on the other side of the stage where we have an official wrestling ring

and I get all that Steven I'm saying is Stephen going to say let me fucking do that and they're going to be like no you can't you're like I can do is there going to be those moments on set where you're like I want to do this if my career as an actor when it comes to

wanting to push the envelope and do stunts is any indication that that conversation will probably have relatively soon. All right, that's what I was waiting for. All right, this shit talking with him now, I knew it was coming. I just thought that was a short answer. Shit talking, Danielle, what is the funniest thing that ever happened?

Do you want to set? Something you remember where you couldn't stop laughing or you're just like, holy shit, this is the best. Maybe the first time that I ripped my pants. All over every year on Arrow would have to fight in a suit at some point. And I think every year for the first three or four years, I ripped my suit. And I mean like from, I mean like from, from, from,

from tip to tail naked ass cheeks in the crotch just yeah and it's just funny just because it you know it would again it was like

it happened it would happen really aggressively and everyone won't get a good kick out of it especially me Steph A

I'm sure you miss everyone from the CW but is there anyone in particular that you miss more than anyone else that you could think of when you go back

to set that one person like I just miss seeing that face I don't want to work I can't I miss that person yeah I mean I've gotten to I've gotten to see Emily a few times

since we've wrapped but I don't think that I've seen David Ramsey in like a year almost since we wrapped since we wrapped Arrow I miss that guy well maybe he'll listen to this and I feel like I'll have a little bit of in an odd way and this isn't one particular person and despite the fact that they were a ton of work

I feel like I'll get a twinge of just feeling left out when the crossovers are happening this year. If, in fact, the crossovers are happening. I don't know how. Did they change the name? Wasn't it called Aeroverse? What they call it now? Yeah. They might be trying to call it the CWverse.

Oh, why? That fucking piss me off. Well, it's called Aeroverse. Why change it? I don't know. I don't just change inside of you. It's not outside of you. I just think that that's probably a marketing department, you know,

trying to come up, frankly, with content when they don't have any because I saw that ad for the first time, you know, normally, you know, on the B side of Comic-Con, where all the shows would have footage and none of them do. I think some of them started But I don't know I'm so out of the mix and But you didn't like seeing it You didn't like seeing it

You wanted Arrowverse You established it It was your show that started that Why changed the name It bothered you a little bit, it's fine Yeah, I don't care if they stop Calling it the Arrowverse But you don't need to come up

With a new name I don't know I would That's something that would annoy me too It's a loud to It's allowed. I left with my own volition. Right?

Yeah. But, right, I'm allowed to complain about that. I can't think it's bother you. Last one. Nancy D. What would you like your legacy to be? That's a hard one. I don't, I don't know, man.

I mean, I think it's pretty, I think it's pretty, I think it's pretty, I think it's pretty cemented, you know, in my, in my previous job. I hope that, I hope that what's happening right now is, you know, and people looking at it as a, as a, as as a transition and the next step and I'm going to tell you I'm I'm really really loving really really loving the work I'd like to hope that if people are looking at it and painting it with a broader brush that they would just think that you know that's a guy that gave 100% to whatever job he was doing you know emotionally and and mentally and certainly as long as I'm capable and don't get shouted down by the EPs physically.

Well, so I think you've provided many, many, many years of entertainment for many people. Well, hopefully that would be, hopefully that would be, you know, part of it, too. It does warm my heart that somewhere out there, someone had to solid isolate for two weeks and ripped through 170 episodes of Arrow. Wow, that's a lot. Hey, Ryan, my engineer, Ryan, you can't hear him, but he does this thing. he does this rap that what's the rap called recap wraps recap wraps and he did one for error for all the seasons or whatever recap raps oh really that's right it's his oh man

i loved i loved those except except and i but i could never i could never repost them because every once in a while it would get a little it would get a little racy or or a little, it would become a little vitriolic towards one particular character. And so let it be clear, I enjoyed the shit out of them. Like, I love, I thought they were great. He said, well, you just say one word. What did I say? I'm chilling.

I'm chilling. He said some about Lex Luthor in the, whatever. So he put me in one of the videos. It was, uh, it was just a quick, but yeah. Those are great. Keep doing those, please, Ryan. Please. Thanks, man.

We just, we just pumped him up. Dude, I love you. I love this. Lastly, you know, I mean, you said it pretty much, but for all those people listening, you know, you got COVID. You're brave enough to come out and talk about it and about your experiences and you're lucky. And you're, you know, you obviously talk about how fortunate you are to have the people around you and the resources and you have a job and all these things. But what is, what would you say those people out there who are, you know, just in broad terms, just about how, you know, how you feel about COVID and getting it and your thoughts? In broad terms, you know, first of all, it's super fucking contagious. That much has been made clear to me over the past couple of weeks. It is incredibly contagious. And there are people walking around right now who have never been tested for it, who've never gotten a symptom. who are being brazen or are not, you know,

feeling like, feeling like they want to wear a mask or not respecting social distancing. Guess what? You've probably fucking given it to somebody. And if, if you're not, if you're not careful, right?

And maybe you'll never know about it. Maybe you'll never be on your conscience. But, don't take the chance that you're going to fucking kill somebody because you could and that's not cool to put it mildly

this is something that you know I'm I'm not a big believer unfortunately that there's that there's a vaccine that's just around the corner. Even if there is,

I don't think that anything, especially in the United States of America, you know, a place that I live that's very near and dear to my heart, a country that I love, the fact that I still can't vote, there's nothing about

the past several years in this country that has given me the impression that even if there is a vaccine that's right around the corner, that it's going to be properly and evenly and, you know, thoroughly distributed to everyone. So this is our fucking mess to clean up. And we can do it. You really can do it.

There's just... There's not two sides. There's not two sides to this. It's just one side. There's not two sides. There's not two sides. There's not two sides to this. um you know

this it can it can be fixed this mess this mess can be cleaned up and and there's just there's there's just a few there's a few real simple things that we have to do

and we just have to buckle down and fucking do them yeah and things will they will get better you just said something you just said something I don't know why hit me, but you said, there's a lot of people walking around there that they don't even know they have it, and they're giving it to people, right? So what that makes me think is a lot of times, if I don't know that I'm killing someone

or hurting someone, then I guess I'm not, or it's like it's not a big. In other words, they don't realize, so they'll go be, they'll go do, live their life, and they'll be, and if they give, they don't know that they might have just killed an old woman at the that it's inadvertently but is it inadvertently it's not if you're not doing say no it's it's it's not because if you're it's not it's not inadvertent as a matter of fact it's it's what's i guess advertent directly i don't know i'm not i mean no it's it's it's not you right now are not making a conscious decision to follow health guidelines follow the recommendations of health experts, not politicians, not business leaders, health experts.

If you're not following those recommendations, and in fact, if you are just actively and willfully disregarding them, then you are an active and potentially lethal part of the problem. There's no fucking two ways about it. There's no other way to think about it. If you are not actively trying to stop this global pandemic,

you are part of the fucking problem and you might be killing people. It's as simple as that. That sounds it sounds morbid and it sounds hyperbolic. It's the truth. Ask a doctor. We had a producer come up to set on season

four of error. I'll never forget it. And he behind Video Village and he after every take he was he was hack coughing and he was clearly very very sick and everyone everyone in Video Village was too fucking Canadian including myself meaning meaning polite and deferential to say something to tell him to get the fuck out of here retrospectively oh I was insane half the crew went down with a flu that hit people as hard as a lot of people have being hit with COVID. The difference is

that it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that this virus has the capability to be deadly. It is possibly deadly. It's possibly lethal. Number one,

we know this. Number two, it's really fucking. and contagious. Number three, there are certain people that are really, really at risk more so than others if they catch it.

Number four. Just wear a man, just wear, just wear a man. Yeah, yeah, number four. Here's number four. You have to wear fucking pants when you go out. You can't fucking free ball when you go walk out outside. Or you'll be, or you'll be arrested, okay?

It's a simple societal norm. Okay. We're not going to have to do it forever. We're a fucking mask. Number five would be even superheroes get it. That's it right there. That's it. Retired. Retired superheroes. Are you a retired superhero?

Is that what you are? You're retired? Yeah, I'm a retired superhero. But take one last, take one last thing from me. If I've had any anxiety and I know that we, we speak about this sometimes on the pod. And, you know, and obviously, you know, I had a panic attack, like on your podcast. podcast. So take it from a guy who's only sense of anxiety and panic has been the concept of contracting COVID. And I've never worried about the lethal aspect of it because the numbers

suggest that I will get it and maybe I'll be asymptomatic or maybe my symptoms will be light and I will come on the other side and I will be okay, which is what happened. my anxiety came from the idea that I would be letting hundreds of people down, right? It didn't even, I didn't have anxiety about the fact that I would give it to other people, which, again, I possibly did, which is unsettling in and of itself, but you have to understand that because of this anxiety I have actively

actively tried to avoid contracting this virus and guess what I fucking got it anyway so be smart and if you're being smart stay smart and if you're not

you're just you're just dragging the shit on longer for everybody else when you told your wife you called her up right away and would you say? Oh, yeah. How'd you say it? Positive. Positive.

How are you feeling? I said, I feel fine. I'm, I'm, you know, I'm a little foggy, but it was, for me, it was entirely the mental side, the emotional side, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the abrupt, just halting of the momentum that I had personally. and professionally. Was she freaked out? No, no.

Very calm. Very calm. I mean, wanted to know that I was okay, obviously, and, you know, and I wanted to know that she was okay. Yeah. And, you know, and I wanted to, you know, I just, I just felt like I let a lot of people down, man. But I don't know why you feel that.

I don't know why you feel that way. I don't know why you feel that way because you're getting tested. you're being responsible you get tested positive you're not letting people down it's not your fault that you you have this now if you were cavalier and walking around and not wearing masks and doing and then all of a sudden you got it yeah you should feel like a fucking asshole because you get you but you didn't do it deliberately I guess what happens is and and this is not just because you're in isolation and you have all the time in the world but when you don't know how you got it and you don't know when you got it

and you can't be supremely confident that you didn't give it to someone else or a whole whack of other people then that that plays in your head and it's supremely difficult not to become incredibly disappointed in yourself

I'm incredibly proud of you I'm proud of you for coming on talking about it and I really thank you for it and I wish you the best and I hope everybody's healthy and happy on set and you guys get back to work and I and that day comes when you arguing like I want to do this stunt will you please just text me and say that day has come it's a deal man all right buddy take care of yourself man all my best and I'm around all right thanks Rosie I appreciate it all right buddy much love man uh what a treat wow I mean I remember looking at your face and you were just like wow so sometimes in these episodes we hear news and

again for stephen to call me and say hey i want to talk about it on your show he could he could have gone to anybody could have gone to his publicist for the for stars he could have gone to the wb could have gone to uh variety and open it up there and he said rosy i want to come on your show and that just means a lot it helps you know i always called our podcast a little what about what i call it a little engine that could yeah and what's the real thing that's the right one it is yeah i don't call it that you want to call it the little train that doesn't stop or something train that can't fucking move uh but you know it's like uh i love the podcast and uh some people do whatever they can to uh get the word out and and and get us more awareness and uh stephen's

one of those guys so i really thank him not only for that but for opening up about covid and kind of giving us an understanding what i gathered and i kind of talked to him about was if you're really healthy and you're you know you exercise constantly it might might not bother you as much although it might it's affected like marathon runners though right exactly so you just don't know one guy who's healthy as shit can die most likely not but he could another guy it's like well you're as healthy as stephen chances are and if your blood type there's all these variables so Anyway, just you'll get checked. I mean, get tested and just to be safe.

Thanks to all, everyone who, excuse me, everyone who went to the stage it and watched our show this past weekend. It was a lot of fun. We dressed up, Rob and I, and we did a lot of Zooms. And thank you for all the support. I have such a passion for music. It's not something I could truly make a living at, but I found out that in the last few years that if you love something,

you do it not because you're making money not because you're great at it but you love doing it and that's that's where that comes from and that's so important you know that i've and it's nice when you can make something and people you know tip and bid and whatever and you have enough money to make an album that's icing on the cake so uh we've been working really hard on the album and if you haven't heard the old album the left on laurel you can find it on spotify anywhere you could buy it on iTunes left on laurel saved by the ground was the album with the my my former band, and I love them all. We worked very hard, and it's a good album.

And this new album will be, I don't know, I still don't know the name of the band. It's going to be Rosenbaum and Danson. It's like the old 70s, England Dan and John Ford Coley, Seals and Croft. Simon and Garfunkel. How about Rosenbaum Dancing? Just like a, with a dash or a slash.

I just don't know. If you guys got to have any ideas, please. Oh, yeah. If you have any messages, go to Hello, at inside ofupodcast.com. I haven't checked in about a month and a half. I've been alone here. So thanks to Stephen Amel.

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there so just check out patreon.com slash inside of you and just check out if it's for you i mean um it's fun and uh as i said i send a message to everybody who joins right after they join and hopefully they stick around there's merch boxes for the top tiers where i actually i sent i put the boxes all together i tape them up i pick the things i write a handwritten note that that's what i do i don't don't like have somebody do that. So if you think I do that, then you don't know me. God dang it. Should I ask you if you can name 20 yet? Or should I wait until I say them and see if you can say 20 after I name them? Nancy D. Mary B. Leah S. Tricia F. Sarah V. Little Lisa. You key. Jill E. Brian H. Lauren G. Nico P. Angelina G. Robin S. Jerry W. Emily.

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Sheila G. Oh, Sheila. Alyssa C. Jacob H. Misha H. William H. Wow. Deb A.

and Tom N. A lot of new patrons. Patrons. So thank you. And everybody gets a 15% off the store. on the inside of you online store. Just go to just put rosy pants one. All right.

Let's see if I couldn't do this. My memory's so bad, but let's even get 20. Let's go. All right, we go as fast as I can. Let's see if Ryan can do it. This is called, we have to have a name for this. This is called Memor Ryan. The Patrons.

Memor Ryan the Patrons. Memorian the Patrons. Okay. And now. Tab of the 272. As Bjorn. Hamsabee. Bob B

Robert I Emily S Tiffany I Leanne P Maya P Kendrick F that's 10 Kendrick F you pulled out

Kendrick's a hard name to remember It's a good name I listened to Kendrick Lamar yesterday So that help Oh Okay Uh da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da Ryan patrons

Oh shit Emily S Did I say Emily S yet? No you said Emily, there's two Emmys, right? Emily S is correct, but yeah, you got it. So you have two emily, so those count, two. Okay, so that's, all right, 11. Raj, um, by the power. Well, I said I was beyond. Oh, you did, okay. I did those, um, Spider-Man Chase. Yeah. There's a Tom. I don't remember the last. There's a Tom.

Kristen Kay. Mm-hmm. What if we call it 15 this time? I think that's fair. All right. It's Tom N, by the way. Tom N. My memory's not great. So as much as I know, when you put the pressure on, it's like if I was on who wants to be a millionaire, I'd shit my pants.

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