Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - STEPHEN AMELL: Future of Heels, Return of Arrow, Sunday Scaries, Shooting Romantic Scenes & Need for External Validation

Episode Date: January 3, 2023

Stephen Amell (Heels, Arrow) joins us this week and, as always, hits us with openness and honesty. Love the guy. He talks about the birth of his newest son, the idea of seeking external validation through fame, and how all of his previous anxieties could be tied to withdrawals. We also talk about the future of Heels with the current Starz and Lionsgate untangling, how he would feel if it ended prematurely, and what a potential return to Arrow would look like today. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Stephen Amel is back he always brings something he always brings something and I love him and I love that he comes in the podcast he listens to the podcast he's got a lot going on Heal season two we talk about that we talk about

Green Arrow of course we talk about you know just a lot of stuff you might want to tune in let's get inside of Stephen O'Mell it's my point of you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum this is stephen emel and you are listening to my fifth

appearance on inside of you with michael rosenbaum i think this is the most i've had with a guest okay this beats Isaac Levi, it beats Welling, beats Bobby Lee. I think this is the most that I've had on. This is good. And I haven't talked to you in a while. And I was thinking, God, I don't even know what to talk. We've talked about everything. But we never could talk about everything.

There's always something to talk about. There's always something to talk about. Yes. My life is not in conflict or near catastrophe. It's not. No, I'm not on the B side of anything. Really? So no big major news.

There's news. all right well we'll get to some news first of all your legs look great thank you i noticed you've been working out more i've seen the videos but i've just noticed your girth thank you're you're swollen thank you in a very healthy like yeah this is the best shape i've ever seen you in this is the best shape that i've ever been in how do you feel really good no pain no no i excuse me that's a little bit wrong my left i'm dealing with some left shoulder issues right now And the way that I injured my shoulder was being the lead of a wrestling show, no, no. It was throwing my daughter in a pool.

I see you throw your effing daughter into oceans, into lakes, into pools, into, I mean, you're always like, that's nice. Right. But that's how you did it. Yeah, except she's a, she's, she's about to be nine. And, and I didn't, I didn't warm up. I don't warm up to throw my kid in the pool. but no we were we were out on the english countryside in late july and i threw her and i tore something i did something to my you felt it right away yeah i think it's presidus this is your shoulder hurt every morning

when you wake up yes it does well we got to make an adjustment here i've been told that the cortisone shot will help cortisone shot i have a guy for you i know everybody everybody has a guy but listen i've had two friends go to this guy because they had horrible shoulders yeah he three guys one guy he just did an injection. He also did an injection on my shoulder. And for like a year and a half, I was perfect. Yeah. And then you might get another one.

Two of the other guys he actually did surgery on, and they've been perfect for 10 years. The guy's names Dr. Neil Gadadra. He's a stud. Listen, I'm in because I know that you have dealt with neck and back back. Oh, yeah. So your opinion on this means a Gary. I promise you, you're going to thank me for this.

This guy's wonderful. Done deal. Cuddling with your wife. Do you, after all these years, how long you've been married, 11 years? It'll be 10 years this Christmas. 10 years this Christmas. Do you still, do you cuddle because she likes it? Yeah.

That's the, that's, and she knows that. Yeah. She's like, well, you just cuddle me. Like, I'm going to get, how many minutes does she need for a cuddle? I can't cuddle when you go to sleep at night. I can't. I will start to flop sweat immediately. I need to avoid any sort of touching to actually go to sleep.

Right. But smash cut to 4 o'clock in the morning, I'm a cuddle machine. Really? Once I'm into my sleep. Once I've gotten my sleep going, I'll cuddle the shit out of her. So wait a minute. You'll wake up, rested, and move to her and hold her.

That's right. That's right. Does she like that? Well, I hate, yeah, she does. I'm never. I'm just not a cuddle. I'm now, I'm starting to fall asleep very, very, when I'm not working, I'm now falling asleep.

very, very early. She is a night owl, but her golden hour, her golden time, mine is hours before midnight. Hers is time after 6.37 a.m. in the morning. Right. Seven till 10. If she could pull that off, that is her, she's in bliss. And I'll cuddle there. She loves cuddling in the morning. The only thing that she doesn't like is I have a tendency, and I do it out of love, and you don't realize that you're doing it. I have a tendency to wake her up just to let her know that she can sleep in. And she'll come back and she'll say, hey, I love you, but maybe just let me

fucking wake up and realize that I got to sleep in and then thank you on the B side. Hey, sweetie. Why? Sweetie. Hey, I just want you to know, yeah, that you can sleep in the night today. Would you fuck off?

That's nice, though. 10 years coming up for anniversary and you're still cuddling you still i see you guys i mean we go to the same tennis club i know it sounds a little uh pretentious but it's not it's kind of like a regular club it's not that fancy it's it's a it's a tennis club it's not as fancy as it's not a beverly hills no no it's more emblematic of the neighborhood that we live in yeah it's just place to play some tennis to maybe swim to hang out have some food bingo bingo night i love bingo night I love bingo.

I don't bring my friends there to the next bingo night. I think it's pasta, Italian, and bingo. I love seeing you there. You're playing tennis with your wife. You're doing things with the wife. Do you feel like you sort of have to do this because you're gone so much filming and working and focused and working out that you're like,

we've got to do a couple of things a week to make the marriage work and be healthy? Well, I don't know if it's a couple of things a week to make the marriage work to keep things healthy, but we have really tried to, I wrapped the second season of heels on the first of July. And this is my first stretch of time since I started on Arrow, which is coming up on 10 years. It's my first stretch of time where I'm in L.A. and there is no firm date that I'm leaving and going back to something. I'm still under contract for heels. I'm still, you know, very, very

confident that there's going to be more of that to film. But what we are trying to do right now is just embrace spending time in L.A. That's it. Freedom. Just enjoy being here. Yeah. You know, everyone, it's not, it's a little bit different than a vacation or a hiatus. This is, this is it. Our kids in third grade, she goes to school right by her house. Our son is almost five months. I mean, you were filming heels. I didn't even know. this. I never am online. And I don't know why. I mean, it's not like you're going to text me. Hey, I just want you to know that I was, I was like, holy shit, you had a baby. Yeah. When you got Bowen, was it emotional. Yeah, it was amazing. It was one of the longest, one of the longest days of my entire life. I had been in Atlanta on a Thursday. I was filming and ended up with bursitis. You know what bursitis is? I've heard of it. Yeah, a little bursusack like on your shoulder and your elbow and your knee and stuff like that. And weight training. one of them burst in my elbow. So I was on set that day,

and my elbow really started to hurt. And I went to dinner that night, and the kiddo wasn't due for two weeks. And I went to dinner that night, my elbow was all swollen and red to the point where when I got home, I had to go to the, I had to go to urgent care.

And then they sent me to the emergency room because it was infected, inflamed bursitis. And so they had to give me IV antibiotics. And I didn't get home from the emergency room until 4 a.m. And I had a 7 a.m. flight from Atlanta to Seattle. And then I was connecting Seattle to Walla Walla to go to our annual knocking point party. And so I don't sleep. And then I'm on the flight from Atlanta to Seattle, one of the longest flights that exists in the continental United States. And I love Delta, but they had no fucking food. So I'm just not, I'm not enjoying myself.

You're not happy. I can't sleep. Right. I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to start diving into, I don't want to start diving into Jack and Diet Co. At 8.30 in the morning. And then connection in Seattle, get to Walla Walla, call Cassandra, and she says, hey, look, everything's fine. But our surrogate has high blood pressure and a little bit of hypertension. So she's being taken to Cedars and the kiddos being delivered tonight. And I went, okay, all right, okay, okay, okay. Immediately got on the phone with the travel agent, so I'm in Walla Walla at 3 o'clock in the afternoon,

and the best flight option out was about an hour north of Walla Walla out of Pasco in Tri-Cities that was leaving at seven, connecting in Seattle, and then on to L.A. And for that flight to L.A., I'm in, I got the last ticket on the plane, so I'm in 29E, no Wi-Fi, no nothing. I'm exhausted, and my phone blasts at 11 o'clock we are on initial approach, and it's from Cass going,

I'm going to head to Cedars at like 1 o'clock in the morning. I said, great, okay, okay, awesome. And then 25 minutes later, my phone buzzes again, and it's a photo of her with Bowen on her chest because it just happened so fast. Oh, my gosh. Her water didn't even break. Like, it happened real, real fast.

So I landed, call her up. I cause everyone okay is healthy. Yeah, he's a little on the small side because there was a preemie. He was just a little bit above six pounds. And I said, okay, because I bet you there's no food there right now. She's like, no, there's not. So I have to stop then.

So I stopped at a Wendy's on the way to Cedars and got a burger and a frosty and then showed up. And it was super, super emotional. The moment that I saw. Inside of you is brought to you by Quince. I love quince, Ryan. I've told you this before. I got this awesome $60 cashmere sweater. I wear it religiously, you can get all sorts of amazing, amazing clothing for such

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Rocket Money. Within three hours of him being born, I recognize that he's fundamentally different than our daughter. How so? He is, when she needed something, she let you know. I remember our first night in a hospital in Vancouver

just thinking to myself, how in God's name are we going to do this? And within about 90 minutes of being around him, I was like, he's going to be chill. He's chill. He's chill. They're just different, you know? He laughs. He likes to sit.

He likes to look out the window. He'll sit already with me and watch sports for 45 minutes. He'll sit and watch baseball. He's four and a half months old. Are you already making him watch wrestling? Oh, yes. Are you? Oh, yeah.

Do you still watch a lot of wrestling? I do. You were spotted somewhere. I read, right? It's some wrestling match. That's right. I was just at Smackdown. I was just at Smackdown in Salt Lake City.

You love this shit. I do. You've always loved wrestling. And now you're on a wrestling show. Now I'm on a wrestling show, but now I get to go back through on Peacock and I get to go and watch all the old Royal Rumbles with him. I'm just going to take him through the 1980s and all my favorite stuff. Who's your favorite wrestler 80s of all time?

Hulk Hogan You loved Hulk I did I know it's not It's a sort of a popular answer Everyone retrospectively He was like It was Jake to Snake Roberts

No it was Andre the Giant Well I liked Andre the Giant too But I only knew him through the prism Of him being a bad guy Because him Him going around the territories And being a good guy For all those years

Was before my time So I didn't know Right Do you are you Is there any anxiety with you Wondering hey Is Keel's gonna get picked up For a third season

you know what am I going to do what's next do you get that sort of feeling you have to be doing something or you just sort of enjoying this moment i'm enjoying this moment a lot right now actually to a point where i don't know that i've ever been as settled and comfy in my own skin as i am right at this right at this particular moment i'm really enjoying it there's a i wouldn't say anxiety but uh we are going through a process right now where stars was acquired by lion's gate in 26 and they are now on the process of, as best I understand it, untangling that partnership. I have no idea what that means, by the way.

But again, from the little of it that I understand, as they are untangling everything, they are figuring out which assets belong to whom. So as a result, we wrapped filming on the 1st of July and we don't have a premiere date, let alone a trailer, let alone an indication of season three. I know that there are meetings that are starting to happen

about writing for season three. Really? But in the normal order of things, we would have more information than we would right now. It's been two months. It's been a couple of months. Three months. Three months and no trail or no kind.

So does that worry you? Have you talked to Pete Siegel? Have you talked to? I mean, I just talked with Michael Mallee this morning. He's our showrunner and he's like, I'm putting the finishing touches on eight, which is our final episode this year. So again, that's how far along we are in the process.

And he's like, it's like, it's amazing. I'd be worried if I thought that if I didn't think the season was spectacular. I think the season's better than one 100% way better. More action. More story, more scope, more. I'm, you know, I personally think that that I went up a level for a variety of reasons. And I'm, I'm incredibly happy with my performance and the action and the storytelling and just the, I don't know, it was just. And it also felt more like a cohesion. cohesive season because we actually shot it in order and we're subject to COVID hiccups, but not COVID catastrophes. Right. Yeah, I mean, I got it, I got it again this year. And it was very, it was very frustrating. Is it kind of a nice break, though? No.

You get 10 days off. They fucking suck. I fucking hated it. I just wanted to work. No, I hated it. I didn't like it. No, I wanted to work too. I was like, yeah, I'm going to watch the movies.

Also, because we were trying to, we were trying to craft my schedule around the forthcoming birth of our kiddo. Right. So I didn't, I wasn't asking for a ton of time off. I just sort of gave them the window as to, as to when it was going to happen. And, um, yes. But then I ended up having time off when I was supposed to be working really hard. So then working really hard when I was supposed to be having time off. How do you feel about sex scenes?

I love them. I think they're great. I think they're hilarious. I think they're hilarious and I think they're a bunch of fun. Don't people like sex? Yeah, but it's fake sex and you have to kind of put on something. What if you're not attracted to someone you have to act? We can do the deductive logic on this one.

I mean, my show is my character is married on the show to Alison Luff's character. So it was likely with her. Let's say theoretically, she's a great kisser, you know. Am I not having a, am I not having fun? Right? Her husband's lovely too. I think he's a great guy. Maybe it would be awkward if he was standing on set.

like with a scouring look on his face, but he wasn't. He's not allowed. It's clothes set. So we're good to go. All right. So in a way, in a way, I'm, I'm mostly, I'm, I'm not actually kidding about them being fun. They are fun.

This is amazing. This is hilarious. I think in a way, it's good for a marriage. It's almost like you get a little, have a little fun on the side that's just fake that you're getting paid for, that's work. They got their lives. You got your lives. But you're enjoying the moment.

You're like, you know what? I wasn't able. I'm not able to do that in real life. Listen, I agree with that too. It's going to goose the marriage a little bit. I know that Cass, when she was doing Roswell, New Mexico, you know, had a couple of had a couple of had CW makeout scenes. But, you know, I had to kiss this guy and he was strong and strapping and handsome. I think he was on Friday Night Lights at one point.

Oh, is that what's his name? Kitch? No, no, it wasn't Taylor Kitch. Yeah, no, yeah. I put a hockey-looking guy. I've seen him naked, yeah. Oh, really? Oh, yeah.

Defile Canadian. Great body. Thank you. I don't know why I said thank you. No, but I was certainly, when I knew that those scenes were coming up or had happened, I'm paying a little bit of extra attention to Cassandra. It's goosing the marriage just a little bit. Really?

Just a little. Hey, yuck. We're all competitive. Wow. That's amazing. That's amazing. Your perspective on it. I think I, maybe it's just, maybe I'm just the only one being honest.

No, I don't. I always say it too. You know, and I had opportunities like when I was supposed to kiss Kristen Kruk. You think I was like, oh, fuck. Oh, man. This sucks. What, she's probably just horrible breath, ugly in person. Not true.

Not true. Perfect breath. Perfect. Just a perfect. She's an awesome woman. I think we discussed this on the, on the first time that I was ever on the podcast. I'm sure. But I did, and she had a CW show in 2012 when Arrow was coming out.

I think she was, I think it was, I think it was Beauty and the Beast. And we did some press together. And she is just, she is easily one of, one of the most beautiful people I've ever come across. I agree. I mean, lovely, but also just stunningly attractive. Stunning. And I even see her as an adult, we started work when she was probably 18 and now she's 40. And I'm seeing her at cons and we're hanging out.

I'm like, she's just awesome. She's still awesome. She's grown up, grown into a beautiful, really intelligent woman. Like a fine wine. A fine wine. Whereas me, you and Wellingers. and we're like old whiskey you know you're like that's whiskey

oh it's fine if how disappointed would you be if they didn't pick up heels or if something happened like that would you be devastating to you that would be devastating because I think you have more of a connection

to this show than you have with other shows it would be devastating but I'm not I wouldn't wallow you wouldn't there would be more of a disappointment because I feel like we would have missed the mark the show's too good

And I would have gone, it would have centered more around. And now this sounds a little bit like I'd be in denial because obviously, you know, a show is principally carried by its performances, but there would be a part of me that would be going, how do we not, how do we, how do we, how did we miss the mark? Like, but then again, there are things that are, there are things that are out of my control. I can control the work. The work is really good. The writing's really good.

The cast is really good. The vibe on the show. is really good. The people who have seen the show love it. It's just a matter of have enough people seen it. Not only that, but it could be like, you know, this is a big cost to us. Could be.

You know, there's an expensive show. Could be. There's a lot of variables, again, that you can't control. Cannot control. But out of all the shows that you've done, the movies, would this be the biggest hurt to you? If, like, it didn't get picked up, that would be like, you'd be like the most devastated

as opposed to when Arrow ended and all these other things? No, I'd be totally fine. If Arrow had, if that, if the pilot of Arrow hadn't been picked up to series, that would have been a tough one. But this, this, this, this, this, this, this, the, the work, the work speeds for itself. I would, yeah, I'd be, certainly, I'd be annoyed. That's for sure. What would you do next? What would be on your mind? What would you think of doing? I have absolutely no idea. I guess they'd send you out on projects and look for projects for

you. No idea. I mean, I guess if, I guess if, if, if the word came down tomorrow, I guess I'd set my sights on pilot season? I don't know. But you always want to work. There's not a party that wants to take a couple years off and just do nothing. No, I want to work. I want to work.

I'm very happy and settled in my own skin right now and feeling good. I also want to work. Do you think that will last forever? Do you think, how old do you think you'll be before you throw it in? I don't know. I don't think more than a,

I don't think more than a year at a time. Your ability to predict stuff gets worse over time, right? It was one of the reasons why I was listening to a, to a, I listened to a variety of podcasts from a variety of sides of the spectrum, but this happened to be a Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan podcast. And he was talking about how, you know, the predictions about climate and the planet and this, that, and the other thing are just, a lot of them are so preposterous because it just becomes nearly impossible to predict things when, when you factor in time, right? Like anyone that made an economic prediction in 2019, were they anticipating the global pandemic? no that fundamentally alters everything so any prediction that you made in January of 2020 that had to do with 2030 it's fucked right let alone 2021 right it's just I don't know it's just it's just just yeah just give me like give me give me a year at a time I don't think I'm good I'm good for the remainder I've made my piece with the remainder of 2022 and then I've got a job

to kick off I got a job a little thing to kick off 2023 and then I'll be that it's a it's a it's a job it's a movie it's a movie yeah is it a cool movie is it's exciting is it's a thriller is it action is a comedy it's cool I'm not gonna talk about you can't talk about whether it's scary or it's it's action I hope it's scary and I hope there's a lot of action and you have you would start filming that in 2003 I start filming that at some point in yeah at some point in 2023 and we have look heels is going to come out eventually right this season's coming out is coming out and you don't know when though but this fall I would anticipate the first quarter of 2020. I'd be

first or second quarter of 23. It was beyond that. It's got to be first quarter. I bet it's going to premiere in January or February. And then Code 8 part two is going to be effectively done and locked by the end of this year. Code 8 with your

brother. Yeah. We filmed a second one. I didn't see the first one yet. Did you not? No. You act with your brother? With my cousin, yeah. Well, brother, cousin. People think we're brothers. Yeah, they always say it's your brother. It's fine. Drobby.

Yeah. We have the same last name. How do you like working with him? It's good. It's good. Is it weird that your family? It is weird. It gets, we have, and I think that he would say that he would say the same thing is we have different, we have a different process.

I wouldn't really know how to describe our processes other than to say looking from 30,000 feet, they seem different. So we will have the occasional. moment of butting heads a little bit. Right. But I think that's kind of because it's family. Like, you don't know always where to blur the line between this is a professional environment and we're cousins and I played with you when you were in diapers, right? Just don't, just don't totally know.

And occasionally, you know, he's super easygoing. I like a schedule. And so something rolls off his back and it hits me. me right in between the eyes. Right. That's just the nature of working with someone. Is there a competitive thing? No.

Not at all. Not that you're aware of. Not that I'm aware of, no. And I do not get that, I do not get that sense from him at all. You want to make each other better. One of the reasons that I look up to him a lot, I'm older,

but one of the reasons why I look up to him a lot is just because he has the ability to put a lot of passion into things, but not to take things to personal. right that's a good quality it's a really great quality because you know we're we're artists and when we're slighted it's it's difficult for it not to feel like it's a very personal thing it's often not more often than not in fact nine times out of 10 it is nothing to do with us it's not personal but we take it personally anyways and i learned from him no just just just take a breath and

you know if you're in the right then keep doing what you're doing and it'll all come out in the wash. So Code 8, Part 2. I think that's what it's going to be called. And you filmed it? Yeah, it's done. We filmed it last October, November, December in Toronto. That's pretty sweet. But this one's a big, this one's a big Netflix release. Really? Yeah. The first one was really a bet on ourselves. This one also in a different way, we are betting on ourselves. I mean, we took, we took some decent compensation, but anything that we took out wasn't going on screen. So this movie was made for, I think, $20 million. Wow.

That's a big budget. It is a big budget. And I'd like to think that if it comes out and it does the type of numbers that it did, that the first one did on Netflix, the first one did incredibly well, which is why Netflix, you know, took on the property. It's not typical for Netflix to make something a Netflix film when the first one was not a Netflix film. Right. But if we can perform really well for them at $20 million. bucks then i feel like they're gonna want us to make four more of these things that'll be pretty fun fine by me i want to be in one of them that's if you do three i got to be in code eight part three

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And I'm Nicole. Together we host Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast that unpacks real life horrors, one case at a time with deep research dark storytelling and the occasional drink to take the edge off we're here to explore the wicked and reveal the grim we are wicked and grim follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform hey you know i think we talked about this but not really but you were in a all boys home for a a while school an all boys school home what do you mean a home all boys school was that was that was that was that a disciplinary school was it a was it a tough school it's a it was a it was a it was a It just happens to be a boy school.

I think that they have a sister school now or they opened up an all-girls school that's close to the campus. But no, it was just where my dad went. It was like, you know, in Toronto, there's rural St. George's, which is a boys' school. I believe it might be co-ed now. There's Upper Canada College, which is still an all-boys school.

There's St. Andrews College. And then there's stuff like Ridley, which is now co-ed, Trinity, which is co-ed. And, you know, they make up a network work of independent, private schools in, in Ontario, in Canada. Were you a tough kid growing up? Did you have size? Were you popular?

Or did you get, did you know, what was it like growing up? Are you difficult? Would your parents say it was difficult raising Stephen? I don't think it was. You got in a lot of trouble? I didn't get in, no, I didn't get in trouble. I mean, I had my, I didn't really, I didn't apply myself that well. Didn't have a lot of discipline.

No. No, not at all. You just want to have fun? just wanted to have fun, just wanted to play sports, just wanted to, and then when it came to school, I just wanted to, I just wanted to get by. Just move it along. I think that's what I did. Just move it along. I just wanted to get through it. But if there was stuff that I was interested in, I excelled. Yeah, that's how I, yeah. If it was a certain subject that the teacher made it interesting. Yeah. And I just liked the teacher. Yeah. And he had patience and there was something about, then I would, I would excel. English. Um, our, uh, Mr. Stanton, Ted Stanton taught me AP. American history. I was infatuated with, with American history. I liked history. And so yeah, so, you know, in that, I would, you know, that I got an A. But, you know, everything else. Science. I remember. I remember I went in my freshman year, I think, and I had a chemistry class. I walked in. It's like, all right, for the first test, you're going to have to memorize the periodic table.

And we're going to have the test on Tuesday. And I walked out, walked down to the guidance counts or something and got into general science. Yeah, you go out of it. I was like, fuck this. This is going to be a bitch. I remember on my 11th. I swear to the guy never took chemistry. Gosh, I think it was grade 11,

grade 11 biology. On the final exam, I just wrote down. I have no intention of taking any more biology classes in high school. Could you please just give me a passing grade? And they did? Yeah. He gave me, he gave me a 50 on the dog.

I was in college. And I remember I was about, to graduate and Tom Tatino called me into his office and Tom goes hey Michael I'm looking here and I've noticed that in your major here you don't have any dance classes as part of your theater major or something like that you're supposed to have these these dance majors and I go no no he goes well you can't graduate unless you've taken these classes I go not that was that's not what the book read the there's a book of like what you'd need for requirements and I dug up the book from 1989 when I was about to graduate and sure enough in the thing it was the only one it said it did not

mention your dance and so I got out of it I squeaked by I always would squeak by with things I was just like how do I whether I cheated a little bit or I had this guy Dr. Mr. Nordhorn in algebra and I used to go up during a test and I just can't and he would work the problem out with me and give me the answer and I would keep going up to him I don't know how I got through. school. I never thought I would get through grade school, high school. I'm terrified of everything. I just wanted to get through it. A lot of people enjoy things. They have fun. I think that's carried with me. Do you, are you someone who really could enjoy things? Or do you, are you doom and gloom? It doesn't seem like you are that kind of guy. Seems like you could just, you're like, hey, I'm going to have fun.

I'm going to go on set every day. I just don't want to get through it. Well, yeah, I'm, I can just have fun and I can really apply myself it also took me 28 years to figure out what that thing was going to be right like it took me 28 years why do you say that why because that's when I settled on acting and it makes me feel being on set working on set makes me feel a way that nothing else does professionally that is what were you doing before 28 I was acting a little bit but you know I was just committed to it you really know this is what you're going to make a little bit no I No, I committed to the idea that I wanted to be famous. I'm glad you admit that because there's so many actors who come on here and I go, for me, I got to admit when I was a kid, I thought I want to be in the movie, you know, a certain age, I want to be the movies.

I want to be famous. I want to make money. Yeah. That's exciting. It is exciting. I want to be an actor. No. That was, I mean, of course I did, I want to get better.

I did theater and I did classes and I got better and better. but deep down, I really did want to be famous. 100%. And it wasn't until I abandoned that idea and just decided, look, if that happens, that's great. But I actually just, I really enjoy acting. Yeah. Like, and, you know, one of the reasons that I enjoy it is because I enjoy watching television. I enjoy watching movies.

I enjoy thinking about performances in the same way that I enjoy talking about baseball and arguing stats and watching football, except I'm not good enough to be a pro basketball player. I'm not good enough to be a pro baseball player. I'm good enough to be a professional actor. Like I get a chance to do it. So when I abandon that and just thought to myself, I'm going to do this because it makes me happy naturally, then a lot of the superficial and materialistic things

that come with acting, then come along with it. And now I can say I'm doing it for the love of it, but concurrently I can say that because I'm very well compensated when I do it. Right. Do you pinch yourself still? Are you able to be grateful? Are you able to sit there and,

take a smile and say, look what I've accomplished, good for you. Did you ever think you're going to make it this far? Just being good to yourself, or do you not really think about those things? I don't really think about those things. I will say that getting done with Arrow and moving away from it and hopping off that, that the proverbial hamster wheel there gave me a little bit more perspective. And I certainly, I am, I am very grateful. I love nothing more than, I love nothing more than being on a.

on a film set and um you know being someone that comes in comes prepared comes with a good attitude but also brings a tries to bring a professionalism that is appreciated by the crew and the cast as well you want to be respected and and appreciate it i want to be respected and i want to be appreciated and i also want to try to get people home to their families at a reasonable hour It's a good thing. It is. Right. And I'm not, that doesn't mean cutting corners.

But, you know, there's a lot of things that actors do, not so much actors that I work with on sets that I'm on because I don't, because I, for the majority of the time over the past 10 years, I'm the de facto lead. So you can't, if I'm behaving one way, you have to follow suit because otherwise it, otherwise it sticks out. Right. But, you know, a lot of things that actors do on set. their process can drive you crazy well it's it's indulgent let's be honest it's a little

masturbatory you should be able to just jump into it let's just do this let's fucking go guys guys there's always there's always take two that's how i like come on that's what i like i don't like to rehearse too much let's get after it let's go let's go let's shoot the rehearsal shoot the rehearsal yeah let's go good things come out good things come out um do you think you still need, be honest, you always are, do you think you need a lot of external validation? Do you like to hear Stephen is great at this? Stephen is good at this? Is something you need? Is there something you just, it's nice to hear, but I know inside that I'm validated because I respect myself and I know I'm doing a good job. It's a combination of both. I don't need it.

It's nice, though. It is really nice. When I'm not doing something at this point, like when I'm not promoting the second season of heels or I'm not promoting the second code eight I like to I like to disappear I'm not looking to I'm not looking to do or be seen by anybody I like to disappear but at a certain point at a certain point the proverbial IMDB star meter starts to creep down a little bit and and you want that you you you want it to you want it to pop back up I'm happy to just hover around 2,200 there it is I'm happy I'm always there it's like he's not 40,000, he's not 800. You know, there's, there's been a slightly,

there's been a slightly humbling moment. You know, you and I, we both go to cons quite often. And, you know, when I go, it is, it's, I'm always, I'm always slams, you know, with meeting people and taking photos and stuff like that. And I'm still slammed. I'm a little less slammed than I was when Arrow was on the air. Of course.

And so you just have to, like, you know, take this drive. This is a lot. You have to roll with the punches on this one. I mean, the Smallville fandom is different in this day and age than it was when the show was on the air. So you just have to accept that. If I had a problem with that, maybe I shouldn't have fucking stopped the show.

True. Speaking of which, we've talked about this briefly, but in a different scenario, if someone called you from the Aeroverse, which they call it now, of course, I've always called it. But if someone called you and said, hey, we want you to do a guest start. come back as the arrow for one of these shows. Just an episode or two. Sure. Be honest.

Would you be like, eh, it's not what I want to do? Or would you consider it? Oh, it would all depend. The storyline? The storyline. The money? The less so the money because you're not...

You're not the star anymore of the show. Well, but also this is a, this is a one-off, right? It would be, you're going back for an episode or two episodes. You're not going back to recreate the show. Right. So, you know, the money, everyone's going to haggle, but you're not going to get an extra $4 million out of them. No, you might get your quote or half your quote or something.

Sure, but it would more, it would more come down to, I like going online and I like seeing reaction videos, right, when fans see something in a television show that they like. So I would think to myself as a fan of whatever show, how pumped would I be if so-and-so character just appeared. So from that, from that angle, I'd probably be like, yeah, let's do it. But again, depends on the, depends on the show. It really, like, I know that this sounds like, keep in mind that I'm honest, because I said earlier that I got into acting originally to be famous. So, so believe me when I say that this really would come down to the storyline. Sure. But I think that if anyone's listening, like, what's his name, creator of Arrow.

Greg Blanty? Greg Blanty. I forget his name. He put his name in TV. If he was listening or other producers were listening and they go, oh, it's not about the money. We can get him for a price. Let's just get this fucking story.

I think he just messed up, Stephen. No, no, no, no. You'd be compensated. I know how it, I know how it works. I know how it works because I, because I, you know, I've, I've been on the other side of helping someone with this negotiation. So I know precisely how it goes. All right.

There would never be a conversation about money. It would be a conversation about story. Yeah. Shit talking with Stephen Amel. Shit, okay. Let's do it. Let's do it. My top tier patrons. I love you.

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How has your battle been with anxiety? Cannot wait for Heal Season 2. Anxiety? Gone. I didn't have anxiety problems. I had with, I had alcohol with your own problems. At that time.

In general, anything that was tied to anxiety had to do with the withdrawal from alcohol. So when you came on, you had anxiety that had to do with alcohol? Had to do with alcohol, yeah. You know, what are that, the Sunday scleries? People talk, they get anxiety on like a Monday after, you know, going out and partying

or something like that on a Saturday. Ah, yeah. Anything, any anxiety that I had, you know, I cut out 95% of my drinking over the past year and a bit. And any anxiety that I had was purely related to withdrawal from alcohol. Awesome. Sophie, M, how is life with two children?

You said it, but how is it? It's good, but it's, it's, it's a challenge. It's a challenge. It's a challenge. There's not a lot of, who wakes up in the middle of night? You share that? So any, uh, I am, I am off from midnight to 6 a.m. Well, he sleeps to the night already.

Right. It goes as of feeding it around, bath at six, feeding around 630, goes down about 7.30 wakes up about 637 at this point. So we're blessed from from that standpoint. But yeah, no, I cast as the evenings. I do the everything else. How many hours of sleep do you get per night on average? Seven and a half. Any more is probably not good. I don't need more than seven to seven and a half hours of restful sleep. I also like, I've really started to like getting up in the morning to a quiet house for about an hour, an hour and a half. Good. Yeah. Sarah, Hi, Stephen.

Hi, Sarah. I hope you and your family are doing well. Congrats on your baby boy. Question is, if you could relive shooting an episode of Arrow one more time and experience it for the first time again, which episode would it be and why? Pilot.

It all started, have it all started. First time in the suit. David Nutter, Vancouver, two weeks, $10 million, Pilot. Megan T. Huge fan. When filming, do you prefer to be free,

be free creativity of creativity or be directed with step-by-step for the scene? Depends on the director. the scene. We had a, we had an interesting, the process on heels this year changed a little bit where it, we took us a couple of episodes to discover that, uh, that our, our showrunner really, really, really, really wanted everyone to be word perfect this year, which is, which by the way, it's fine. I don't like that. It's not my favorite. Come on, we're not doing fucking Shakespeare here. My problem was not a problem is a very lowercase P. Sorry about that, by the way. I don't mean

I mean, I would do it. I would do it. No, it's fine. It was more that it was more that it wasn't communicated. It wasn't communicated up front that they wanted us to be word perfect. So I thought that we just had a super anal retentive script supervisor for a little bit. And then I realized it very, very early on. And I went to our showrunner and I went, you want us to be verbatim, right?

He goes, I do. And I said, okay, it's fine. Just changes your process a little bit. bit. So I'm always up for being directed. Right. To better answer that question. I'm always up for being, I'm always up for being directed. I think the thing that I, that I dislike is I like, I like freedom, but freedom without, freedom doesn't exist without just a still bit, like a tintsy bit of structure. Because if there's no, if there's no structure at all, then no one knows what the fuck to do. Right. Gotcha. Maya P. Again, last question. Then we're done.

If you could tag team with any professional wrestler, who would it be? I thought that question was going to go in dark. It could have gone south. Could have gone really pleasant, too. Any current professional wrestler? Any, any, in the, in the, in the world of any time period. Well, I'm going to go, Cody Rhodes, my boy. You've already worked with Cody Rhodes.

I tagged teamed against him. Against Cody Rhodes. Against him. That's right. Do you want to do it again? Do you want to do something like that again? I do want to do it again. I do want to do it again.

I need to make sure. that I will be, you asked earlier if I would be upset, devastated or what have you, if there wasn't a season three of heels, the thing that would really, the thing that I would really, really, really have a problem with is if we didn't get a season three and I didn't do everything that I could promoting season two. And I think that everything that I can do will involve me being back on television doing some wrestling in some way, shape, or form. Dude, thanks for being here, man.

It was awesome. Always. Awesome. He always has a lot to say. He always got something. He always has something. And I love that he comes to me. Never a dull moment with that.

I mean, he could probably go anywhere else. He could probably go to a podcast with bigger numbers or whatever. But I appreciate that, you know, I have, you know, a lot of certain celebrities that, you know, come to my podcast or at least, you know, Well, you live close. I think that's it. Thanks for bringing that up. Thank you, Stephen Amel.

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It's just like, you're in a robe. I showered and I got dressed and I drove here. But you always look nice. Me? Oh, you have jeans on a sweater. Well, I mean, before I, you know, when there was a time when I wasn't coming in to record the podcast, but this is the time when I leave the house. So I have to, I shower. I shower and I get dressed. You're not felice clean unless you're sest fully clean.

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probably but I think it's it's the kind thing to do and you can be nice about it guys this is the first episode back for a new season of Talkville you know I hope we keep going

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