Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - STEPHEN AMELL: Overcoming Toxic Lifestyle, Blind Auditioning for Suits: L.A. & Pro-Wrestling Miscalculations

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

Stephen Amell (Suits: L.A., Heels) checks in again this week for a much needed update on all things life, career, and mental health. After reflecting on the somewhat toxic lifestyle that he had to put aside for mental and mental physical stability, Stephen goes on to talk about the importance of balance and work that gives him purpose. He also talks about the outlook of Heels moving to Netflix, the excitement around Suits: L.A., and what caused him to reach a breaking point. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside ⚕️ Lumen: https://lumen.me/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Is it the sixth? Thank you. Is it really? So you've been on more than anybody. I think so. And you haven't been on in a while. it's been a year it's been a i think it aired early 2023 is that right maybe but the last time we came it was like fuck heels is canceled it hadn't been canceled yet but you were feeling it i was yeah i was a little worried about it and yeah and then it gets canceled yeah then it got canceled and then there was sort of hope and i thought you know i saw some of your, I think you text me and maybe you post it about something, but, you know, sometimes you get a little bit like, oh, hey, maybe there's another home for it, you know, but the reality is

99% of the time, no one else buys it. Correct. And Netflix got it. Now, did Netflix say, hey, were there like sort of contingencies? Like, hey, we're going to do it, but we're going to make this for half the price? Well, I know that there's, I know that there's a framework in place to make more of it if everything goes well. But there are a variety of hurdles to jump over, not the least of which would be my availability, Alexander's availability, you know, Michael Malley's inclination to write the show. He wants to do it though, right? He does want to do it, for sure. Pete Siegel, who I heard on the podcast. He's an EP on it and is always prominently involved. So I think it would probably come down to his availability as well. And then just

the rest of the cast. Although, you know, just kind of based off of the response that I've seen from cast members on social media leading up to it coming out on Netflix, I think that most people are into the idea or potentially they're just into the idea of it existing on this platform where it's really going to sink or swim. You know, we've thought for a long time, that while I can't say enough about stars in terms of, you know, their ability to get behind the show, their ability to put it in to production in August of 2020. And this wasn't like a returning show. It was COVID.

Yeah. This was like something that they really put themselves behind and really went out on a limb to make. But we did really feel like maybe it was the right show on the wrong network in terms of how it fit their audience. so right Netflix is if nothing else a truth teller because if people like your show they will watch it on the platform they will find it they will watch it they will consume it and the numbers are just laid out there because Netflix is now so prolific that they're just like look at our

fucking numbers yeah like we don't care yeah we'll show you a couple of their shows pace for all the other shows yeah sure you know well I mean again I don't know how their financial model works and And if they did it with us, would we make it for less? Who's to say? But it's an interesting time if you are a wrestling product on Netflix. They've got a massive documentary series on Vince McMahon that's coming out in a couple of weeks. They just paid $5 billion for Monday Night Raw. So, you know, there could be some synergy between...

Five billion? Are you sure it's $5 billion? With a B. Five billion for Raw. For Raw. Jesus is guys. People will always underestimate the scale, scope, and reach of professional wrestling. Like, and, and not just, not just people that wouldn't have an inclination to watch it,

but people that really fucking should know better at this point, like television executives, studio executives, network executives, they're all constantly, like, you'll bring them to WrestleMania at SoFi, or they'll go to WrestleMania this year at Allegiance Stadium, or they'll just go to, you know, a basic event, like, raw will come to crypto or what have you and they'll walk in and they'll be like wow how do people like professional wrestling yeah you know it's funny yeah it's funny because I think that goes with with anybody you have to sort of spoon feed it sure you always have to spoon feed it's like wrestling no what and then you show them and they're like wait a minute I didn't

know about this or they're like hey we like this one guy is like I don't know who that is I'm like well he has 47 million followers on Instagram they're like oh I'll take him yeah so i get that but let me ask you this like you're doing suits yeah did you finish filming we haven't started you haven't started uh-uh all right so if you're gonna do heels and we're getting to suits i want to talk to you about like you're you know your mental health and all that stuff because a long time ago is that where we're starting yeah because you had an anxiety attack on the podcast yeah which went viral and you know it was it was really brave of you but now it's years later you got a new show you got this other show pending you know you're you're living life have

you did you learn anything from that moment where you had the anxiety attack and are you doing things differently so it doesn't happen again yes absolutely as i spoke about on the podcast i think that that anxiety attack was i was in the midst of this transition in my life that i didn't really want to accept, I used to be the guy that would film Arrow until 3.30 in the morning on a Saturday morning, get on a 6 a.m. flight to L.A., have a couple of screwdrivers on the flight, get some sleep, and then get back on the Saturday, hang with my family, go out for a nice dinner, Saturday night, get up early Sunday morning, especially during football season, like, go tailgate, go to a Rams game, you know, having fun all that day, you know, drinks, tailgate, stuff like that.

And then go meet people afterwards, get on the 8.50 p.m. flight back to Vancouver. But then the difference was that at 5.30 the next morning, I would be up. I would get to the gym. I would get on the treadmill. And I would get back on the horse, as the case may be. the problem for me became when I lost the ability to do that, if for no other reason that I'm fucking not 29 years old anymore. So your body just kind of caught up with your mind? It was like the chemical makeup of my body changed a little bit, and I lost the ability to then get back up, get to the gym,

and so as opposed to getting in and sweating it out, this relatively toxic weekend would live with me and just kind of sit in my system. Yeah. And that led to, that led to, if you're not going to get back up and be healthy, then you kind of continue to be unhealthy. And so I would go through these periods where I think that stuff like anxiety would be almost entirely

connected to a withdrawal from alcohol. Wow. And I'm not talking like delirate. Like I'm not talking tremors and sweats and well, a little bit of sweats. Yeah.

But I just think that I wasn't, I was on this roller coaster and it was just a yo-yo of up and down and up and down and up and down. And that becomes really tiresome. Did you quit drinking? entirely? No, I didn't quit drinking entirely. I go for long stretches where I don't drink at all. I was just... So you could do that? Yeah. You can go a month, two months.

Month, two months, no problem. Don't even think about it. Never, I do my best to never touch any hard liquor anymore, but beers, ciders, wine. I make an effort never to really drink around my kids. You know, if we're going to be out on a vacation, you know, I took a vacation a couple of years ago now to to the Caribbean for like three weeks with my wife and my daughter. Our son wasn't on the scene yet. And I didn't touch alcohol the entire time. I was there.

Again, just filming just now. I was on the far east coast of Canada. I was on Cape Breton Island. What were you filming? There's a movie called Little Lorraine. Little Lorraine. It looks artsy and cool. I think I saw that.

Aren't you wearing something in some picture you posted some jacket? Was it a period piece? Yeah. Yeah, so it's set in the 80s, and it's about a group of coal miners. It's a true story. There's an explosion in the mine, and they get roped into becoming lobster fishermen. At least that's what they're told.

But they're out there catching white lobster, which is a slang term for cocaine. So they're out there just, they get into the drug smuggling business. And, of course, as it happens in movies, everything works out. seemingly or not, as the case may be. So you're doing this out there and you didn't drink or anything? No, not a drop. Is it temp? Is there a temptation to sort of like, hey, we're going after drinks. We're going after this. We'll go have a dinner and you're like, I'll have a beer.

I'll have a drink. No, because I don't like having a drink. That's part of the problem. You know, you'll hear in rehab a lot. People say, you know, one's too many and a thousand isn't enough. I don't want to go up. drink you know what I mean is it just is it just that your personality you don't like who you become I well I just I think that I can't sometimes I have an addicted personality I have a history of alcoholism in my family so it's a slippery slope I suggest so I'd rather just not get on the slope yeah I feel significantly better I eat better I look better I act better it's just you know

it's you just have to you have to get to a point to get back to the original sort of impetus for what I'm saying this is that you know there's a season for everything and and and my 20s and my 30s are long gone and I just can't I can't do it anymore like I can't so you have to you have to reconcile that you know put your ego to the side a little bit and do what's going to be best for you personally, professionally, emotionally, physically. And for your family. And for your family. Yeah.

You know, I... Because I'm sure, Cass, like, you know, it's changed everything. Well, sure. I mean, our relationship, when there's no alcohol involved, is considerably better. You know, we have more fun together. I love nothing more right now than getting a good night's sleep and waking up at 6 o'clock in the morning for... an hour by myself, before I make my kids breakfast, take my daughter to school. I did school

drop off this morning. So you love the stuff. I love it. I really love it. I love it. I love it way more than I could ever love any, you know, mind-altering substance. Yeah. Because it's real. It's visceral. It's so much, yeah. And it's sustainable. It's like, it's what you feel. Yeah. A buddy of mine has been sober now for, oh gosh, six or seven years. I was actually, I was there when he, He spent his last couple of days drinking out at our spot in the desert before he he knew he was going to check himself into rehab. And the way that he describes it is it's like all of a sudden you sober up. And it's like everything's in technicolor where before it was kind of black and white.

Everything's three dimensional where before it was just two dimensional. And I just, I get to appreciate so many more. things and just in general, I feel like, and again, I don't ever want to suggest that I had a, like a crippling problem. I think that it definitely could have went in that direction if I didn't, if I didn't sort myself out. But, you know, just you lose the ability if you are kind of constantly like dealing with a little bit. bit of a hangover or just you know you're a little bit cobwebby you lose the ability to feel genuine happiness yeah at moments when you really should feel genuine happiness like your son

does something new for the first time or your daughter sets a personal best in her 50 meter freestyle and you miss it emotionally you miss it emotionally you're not present you're not you're not you're not available in the way that you should be as a partner, as a friend, as a father. It's just, it's, you're not connected. It's just, it's just dulling you a little bit. Yeah. And I don't, I have no interest in being that. And, you know, forget family for a second.

I love going to work after a really good night's sleep, like feeling fresh. Ready to go. It alters the way that I perform in the same. scene. It alters the way that I interact with my co-workers, with the crew, with everybody. It changes the day from being like a slog to like, and how am I going to get through this to, oh my God, are we already on hour 11? See, that's inspirational because people who are listening, you know, if you have drinking problem or if you drink or if you whatever, even if it's, you know, intermittently. Yeah. It's like there's all these sciences about, you know, even one drink a day.

And what it does, it shrinks your brain and all, there's all these things. But I think the biggest thing is like you miss out, like you said, emotionally. Yep. Because you're irritable or you're tired or you're hungover or you're whatever. So you miss those moments. Well, I think that you can also think, you can also think about it like whenever my wife and I go to Europe or if we're in, you know, one of our favorite places in the world is St. Barts.

I never been there. Oh, it's wonderful. But it's ostensibly like the South. France. And I bring this up because when you, when you go to Europe, especially like France or Spain, you know, you eat all the bread. Okay. And you feel fine. You feel fine. I did. I just went to Italy. I couldn't believe it. Right. Because it's not like we even went to, we went to Motherwolf last night and all the all the bread and all the pasta there. It's all imported from. So you don't feel bad. So you eat all this stuff and you feel full, but you don't feel bloated. You don't feel any of the

Really? Yeah. And I bring this up in the analogy being that, you know, there are times for a glass of wine in the same way that if you're in Italy, eat all the bread. If you're on vacation, if you're on a date night with your wife, if you're, you know, it's fine. Celebrate a little bit. But view it as a celebration and something that you're doing, the moment that it becomes part of your daily routine, especially as you are no longer. year 41 not 31 and I'm 43 it's like okay it's it's it's it's time to just change behavior yeah no I agree I think I look I think there's still things that I do right now that I need to change my behavior I need to change the way I eat it a lot at times you know I feel like every night at 7 when I've worked all day I'm like I want a pot taffy it's like a taffy that's pot and it doesn't just me me out but I'm like you know maybe I'm a little tired the next day. And I don't even realize it because I'm, you know, I'm all, so maybe it's moderation. Everything, I think everything, everything in moderation because I, there was a long stretch

of time where I really enjoyed, you know, those Camino, THC gummies. And they're great, but you start off taking one little five milligram guy. Then you're up to 15. Then you're up to 15. And then the more interesting part is, I remember we went away for vacation. And I don't You wouldn't necessarily travel with those unless you were traveling domestically in the United States. But even then, it's a little bit of a hairy situation because you never know. And because it's not legal in every state, obviously. But I remember I was traveling and all of a sudden I didn't have them. And those first couple of nights of sleep weren't totally normal.

Like they weren't. I think you, you know, you become, if you rely on something that's not water or, you know, is kind of mind altering. in any way. Do you want a water, by the one? No, I'm good. Thank you, though. How much water do you drink a day? A lot.

Is it important? Do you really think that drinking water makes you feel better? Yeah, I do. I just feel like you're kind of lubricating your body, more or less. I finally just got one of those, it's like a 64-ounce Yeti Tumblr.

That's enough. I think if you're going past that, it's like, okay. Yeah, what happens is I get one of those, there's these jugs and it says, By this time, by 10 in the morning, you have to drink this much. Yeah, I have a lot of this too. And then I find myself looking at it and go, God, I'm four hours behind.

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No, I auditioned. They auditioned. You auditioned for suits. I did. How many times? Just once. For the director? It was for the director, the casting director, and then Aaron Korsh, who created the original

series in Dave Bartis. his producing partner. I think Aaron's more on the creative side and Dave is a gets everything done side. At least that's my impression thus far. Right. Yeah, the addition was on Friday. Now, let me ask you back up. Why? Why suits? Why was it about suits that your agent called and you said, yeah, I want to do this. Had you seen the show? I had never seen the original show. Right. So what did you do? Did you start watching? No. I, no, I didn't. You can't tell them you audition for this blindly. I did. Why? Well, because I figured, okay, you know, there are certain things that I would expect to come on offer, but I get it. It's a network show. It's the lead. It's a very, very high profile job. And it turns out that Aaron and Dave always auditioned people. But my focus actually wasn't on.

suits L.A. It was two auditions came in. One was via Zoom and this audition for suits was actually in person, which I remember being incredibly excited about because I don't remember the last time. Did you memorize all your lines for the audition? You sort of had them loose, but you were looking at your script. Yeah, I'd like to have my script with me because I like to be able to read the lines if and when they're giving me notes. So my actual focus that week was on an audition that I had on Wednesday. What was that for? It was for the prequel that they're doing to NCIS. And it was playing the the younger version of the titular character, not the titular character. You watch NCIS? No. I know it. I know. But you were testing for that? No, that was just an audition.

That was an audition. Well, I think that why. I keep asking why, but like what, like, for instance, why I'm saying why is you come off a huge show. Yeah. Then you get heels, which is like, you know, this, you know, this classy kind of niche, cool fucking wrestling show. You could do whatever you want. I just figure the, not knocking NCIS, but I figure it would be the last thing you want to do is get on a show that's already kind of doing its thing. Well, you have to remember that this is January of 2024 and everyone has just sat around with their thumbs up their asses for the past seven months, which is also something that we can discuss later if we want. but um it was more just it's fine it's you know i don't frankly like i don't know i think it's ncIS origins now if it had come along as an offer i don't know that i necessarily would have would have done it but i was excited by the prospect of okay this is a network show this is pilot season this doesn't really happen that much anymore you hear all the time about the industry

changing. It's like back in the day, February 1st would roll around in L.A. And there'd be a massive influx of people. Yeah, tons of shows. You'd be auditioning six times a day for all of these networks that were putting out 30 pilots each. And you'd have your choice of what to read for. Sure. And so this came in and I thought that the audition went extraordinarily well. I got great feedback. I hadn't looked at the I hadn't looked at the sides for suits L.A. yet. And then I found out on Thursday afternoon, after getting incredibly, not just good feedback, but like good intel, like we think this is actually going to move forward. All of a sudden, it was dead.

And I felt like someone had somewhere along the line had like cock blocked me. Someone said, Stephen Amel, no. Yeah, sure, maybe. And so I didn't know what was going on. And I was really frustrated. My wife was away. I was mostly solo with two kids, and I just remember getting to the, I remember getting to Friday, finding out on Thursday afternoon that NCA wasn't going forward.

So I actually sat down with my daughter, and we ran the lines for suits L.A. And she thought it was funny. How old is she? She's going to be 11 in October. And she's reading these lines with you. Yeah. She thought it was hilarious because my character has a line where I say, you know, if he hasn't sign right I'll cut my left nut off if he hasn't signed right now or my left ball off she got a kick out of it because

this character then does sign with our agency and I go look at that left ball lives and she thought that that was the funniest shit she has ever heard anytime I bring up suits LA she still goes left ball lives dad like and I actually I showed her the pilot and that line is actually in there and she again just she wanted to stop it rewind it Look at it again. I love it. But I called my wife on the way to the audition. It was all the way on the west side Friday at like 3 o'clock in the afternoon. I was actually flying out that night on a red eye to go to Tampa for a wrestling event.

And I got a shitty phone call about just like a personal business thing, just stupid, meaningless shit that was just becoming a little frustrating. Combine that with being solo with both kids all week. Combine that with my perceived NCIS flight slight. And I had a full

fucking breakdown in the car. Emotional, screaming. There were probably... By yourself. On the phone with her. She was in Hawaii. Screaming? I don't know what the... I was really mad. I was really mad. And to the point where when I arrived at the audition, I was, I looked

to myself in the mirror. My eyes were all bloodshot. I was totally, I was totally harried. My heart rate was probably 130. And I walked into that audition just with really kind of no fear. Went in, read the audition, tried to be a lot looser and more spontaneous than I think probably a lot of other people were because this guy's a lawyer. This guy's supposed to be the smartest guy in the room but you know concurrently I just figured everyone was going to be stone cold serious so let's just have a little bit of fun and then I went through the waiting process which was incredibly stressful how long well so that audition was on a Friday on the Tuesday I got I got the offer but the offer was conditional on

a network test and I was like okay I'm not afraid of that that's fine who am I testing against and they went we're looking into that and that seems weird it was maybe a little little strange and then they come back and they're like you know you're not testing against anyone else it's just you and it was really difficult for me to wrap my head around the fact that I had an offer right but it wasn't coming through. I was in Orlando at this point, getting ready to launch the Code 8 Part 2 of press tour at Megacon in Orlando. And then I'm doing a big fun Disney day with my family. And I'm waiting like, okay, guys, just take the contingency away from the offer. But this whole

process, it stretched out until I think eight days later. And And as it's going on, I start getting random texts from people who I know in the business that I have worked with. A couple of people saying congrats, but a couple of people that I've worked with saying just had a great chat with NBC. And I went, what? You had what? I just, you know, had a great chat with NBC.

Just talked about how much we enjoyed working together. And I went, oh, my God. Are they fucking vetting me? Of course. they were vetting me of course and that try to have a good night's sleep while they do that with yeah but then i'm just thinking yeah and i and i get it but then i'm thinking you know i've for you can have a hundred good headlines but then you get like three or four bad ones right and i'm coming off i'm feeling like a complete pariah for making some remarks about the strike and you're just waiting

for that one person to go don't hire him skeletons yeah yeah yeah and it never came and you never tested again no the the contingency was removed from the offer a week after a week and a day after it originally came in my daughter was in the car with me when i got the call and at this point you're at this point you'd already seen the show a few times now at this point yes so and you liked it yeah when i once i got the offer on the tuesday again i was in Orlando when I was solo for a few days I first of all I read the entire pilot script because I only read

what my character's supposed to know so I read the entire script it's got a great hook on the end of the first episode and then I watched the pilot of the original and I called my people and I was like listen I know that me saying this isn't going to be helpful but I really fucking want this now

because it just seems like you know Aaron Korsch writes a very fun, digestible show that when you- A lot of dialogue. A lot of dialogue, but when you peel back some layers, it actually has a lot of heart. And I think that that's why the original has resonated with people in such a crazy, seismic way,

to the point where with heels going to Netflix, you literally say, I hope it gets the suits treatment. Like, it's become a verb. Yeah. I think also that you get, like you, seem appealing to me to a network or studio or whatever because of the fact that you carried a show for so long and now you did this other show heals and we know he could handle dialogue we know he could be on set all day we know he stays in shape there's got to be an appeal there

that i'm kind of surprised that even uh took that long i'm surprised that like he wants to be on the show great i mean i don't know how many other actors are going but it seems to me like that's why i was a little shocked when you were saying NCIS even even because I always make the joke NCIS Albuquerque NCIS or uh salem NCIS florida I'm like fuck that's I you know I mean retrospectively I got the retrospectively I got the job that I was supposed to get and everything works out for you know everything does right for a reason it's you know I went through this torture process you know using that term all relatively speaking but and then of course I I get I get a text from Aaron Korsh, who got my number, going, I'm so excited.

This is going to be great. I knew 15 seconds into your audition that you were Ted Black. And it was like, hey, Aaron, maybe you could have fucking told me that at the time. Maybe 15 seconds after you could have told me that. Jesus. So how many episodes do they do a year? So we originally thought it was going to be the pilot plus 10. You know, we weren't picked up until.

So you did the pilot. the pilot. We shot the pilot in Vancouver. And how do you like it? I think it's great. It comes across like a great episode of suits, but it has a little bit of a different feel. And you like your character. I like my character. I'm very close to it because I'm sitting there watching the pilot and I'm going, man, Lex Scott James is great and Josh McDerm is great and Brian Greenberg's great and Maggie Grace is great and Alice Lee is great. And why am I standing like that? Why are my legs so close together? Why is my face doing that? Because

I haven't watched myself act without a beard in 12 years. So I'm just like, clean cut. And I got on the phone with Aaron, and Aaron's like, listen, he goes, I got a question for you. You think everyone else is great? And I go, yeah. He goes, but you're worried about you? And I go, well, and he goes, do you think that if you weren't great, we'd be making more? I'm like, okay, I'm just going to, I'm going to put my trust.

I'm going to put my trust in you and in my wife who just a couple of different times. during the show just looks over at me and goes sexy sexy sexy like that so i think it's a great thing that you shaved and you're playing a different role the only thing problem i have this is why i would never do a show like show like suits okay if they offered me i say no you know really okay you know why i'm not wearing a fucking suit every day i love it i know i don't i love it if they were if this show is called sweats yeah i'm in i cannot imagine wearing a suit and tie every episode all you love it how many suits how many suits do you wear in an episode well i think for the pilot i had three different ones but man they they tailor these

things to within an inch of your life perfect you look great except you still have this freedom of movement the only problem is is that we went we shot the pilot in mancouver for basically all of april and then we shot a couple of days right at the beginning of may in los angeles the only problem is, is then I got back into my off-the-rack J. Cruz suit that I thought I looked great in, and I put it on to go to the Magic Castle, and I turned to Cass, and I'm like, I feel like a buffoon right now. I feel like, I feel like a vagrant in this thing. And she's, it doesn't, it doesn't fit nearly as well. What's a good suit if I want to get a suit? What is a suit? Tom Ford. Of course. Yeah, Tom Ford.

For what kind of suit? Just Tom Ford. Is it a thin, like a... Yeah, easygoing, light fabric, Tom Ford, go get it fitted properly. Like in Beverly Hills? Yeah. How much is a suit, Tom Ford?

No idea. Five grand. Probably. But do you get to keep any of your suits? No, listen, I'll be able to keep a couple of things, I think. But honestly, you can still... You can go to Jay Crew and get a suit. That's fine.

The key is not that it is... designer, the key is to go and find someone to properly fit it to you. But to go back to answer your question, we shot the pilot, it was going to be the pilot plus nine. That was what we were told. Right. And then now it's going to be the pilot plus 12. But, you know, it was picked up on a Friday. And then Aaron called me on a Tuesday. You left a message and he said, I have substantial news and I did all of the math in my head and I was like what what could this possibly be and I thought to myself what I actually landed on was that they were going to order like 28 episodes and we were going to shoot two seasons basically back to back so that they could then because we air that's where

your mind goes that's where my mind went so I called him up what's up and he goes we are shooting in LA. And I said, you should, don't fucking toy with me. Are you serious? I mean, we're shooting in LA. Life changing. Life changing. Every single aspect of my life. You wake up with your kids. The big macro things to the little teeny tiny things. Everything has changed. My, my wife, when I called her up, I said, are you sitting down? She goes, I'm not. And I said, okay, I'm just going to suit the shooting in LA. And she made a sound that I have not heard in 10 years of marriage. You figure you would have heard all the sounds. She flipped out. She flipped out. Everything's different, man. Everything. Do you know how much less exhausting it is to just wake up and go to work as opposed to fly somewhere, live somewhere? You have to

call your wife every day. You have to do, you know, it's like there's a relief, right? Oh my God. Listen, we were going to make it work. We made it work before. Right. It was Vancouver. It's, it's, it's, arrow all over again. But now the difference is, you know, our daughter is just finishing up at her first school. She's probably going to be going into the private school system next year. She swims six times a week. She loves it. That's where the majority of your friends are. Like, our life is here to the point where with our two-year-old, we were examining all possibilities, including an up to like, do we need to separate our family? Do I need to bring my son to Vancouver with me full time.

It's a lot. It's a lot, man. It's a lot for someone who just, like I, for me, you know, just having dogs and not sure, you know. No, but it's a lot. It's a really great thing. It's like, you know, to be a working actor is incredible and lucky. And, but to actually get to shoot where you live is, is a rarity and a lot of things don't shoot in LA anymore. It's been 12 years. Yeah, because, yeah, 12 years from you. Because you shot in Atlanta for heels. Yep. For a couple years. And then you shot Arrow for eight years in Vancouver in Vancouver and then you shot the movies they were not

in L.A. Toronto, Toronto, New York, Sydney, Nova Scotia. And Codate, you work with your brother. Cousin. Cousin. Do you get along? Yeah, we get along great. Is there ever time where it's like family shit and you're just like, you know, you don't get along? No, we have a different process when we're on set and sometimes it makes it difficult for us to like argue. You're supposed to to argue with a family member. Right. Just again, we just, we, we, we approach things, we approach things differently. But both of us, I think, have the same work ethic and both of us care about Code 8 equally. And I mean, that, that trip and that journey has been extraordinary.

The second movie, the way that it debuted on Netflix, the length to which now, the lengths to which Netflix went, Netflix Canada in particular, to, you know, give it this amazing premiere, take us on this press tour. They pay you a lot for the second one? They paid us okay for the second one. Because the first one they didn't pay much. No, I mean, the first one, we took, I mean, that was our decision. I mean, we, I think we just took scale on the first one.

And then the second one, we paid ourselves a little bit more. I mean, the budget was what the budget was, and whatever we took out of it, we couldn't put on screen. So I think it was more emblematic of our, like, worth in the marketplace. But I think that if we make another one, then we should pay ourselves a little more. We should probably pay ourselves a little bit more. Let me ask you this. Back to the health thing, because I look at you and you're like a machine. I mean, you work out all the time, you eat healthy. For people out there who are just trying to get in a healthy routine, who are trying to change. their lives. Do you take a certain vitamin? Is there something you take in the morning that you

notice the results? Like you take something, you take some vitamin E or B or A or C. What is it? Like I take athletic greens and I love it and it's great. I take a glass of that. But is there something you take something else that or something you do in your routine that you notice an energy, you're sharper? What is it? I don't actually take any supplements. I probably should. I should probably find a good multivitamin and start taking that on a regular basis. I've been wearing an aura ring for the past. What's that? It's a, you know, ring that you wear on your finger.

And it measures, it gives you something called you get a readiness score, a sleep score, an activity score. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And a resilience score. And that's, is it accurate? Yes, it is. the only problem is that you like it when it's giving you good news but like as an example on a good readiness score is anything kind of above 70 and I went out to dinner with my friend Natalie on Tuesday and we split a bottle of wine which was fine but I then got home and was probably in bed an

hour after I wanted to be and if you have have alcohol in the evening, my resting heart rate when I slept was 60, as opposed to 48, which it normally is. So you wake up a little more tired than you normally. So you wake up and my readiness score was 44. And I'm like, fuck off. That's not true. It can't be that. That's the thing with these things. I had a sleep thing and it says, your sleep was great. I'm like, fuck you. It's great with 90 and I feel like shit. Yeah. The only time that I don't, the only time that I don't like it is I woke up yesterday morning Wednesday morning

I woke up feeling good and then I checked the app it's like 43 don't do much today fuck you aura yeah so you're but so you don't really take

any vitamins you just work out and eat a lot work out eat a lot I mean I have I have protein shakes I try to try to add

electrolytes into my water there's a great company called just ingredients that we get electrolytes from, protein powder from. I've actually just started

putting some like this kind of superfood I'm writing this chocolate mix and I put some vanilla protein powder in my coffee, which is really good. It gets all frothy and it's good. How many meals do you have a day?

Six? I usually don't eat before I work out and then I'll have a shake after I work out and then I have lunch and then I'm probably having a snack I have my dinner and then when I get into training this is what my my wife makes fun of me all the time No I have midnight snacks which is like I will go I will fall asleep at 10.15 and then sometime between 1230 and 1.30

I wake up fucking starving if I'm training a bunch and I go downstairs, barely opening my eyes, and I will have left a midnight snack in the fridge, like a wrap. Are you aware of it? Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure. It's not like sleepwalk. No, no, no, no, like a wrap or sushi or pasta. Like, I will have a full midnight snack and I come back to bed.

The only time that my wife gets mad at me is if I get into like salt and vinegar chips or something like that, I come back to bed and she's got a very sense. Don't touch me. Don't kiss me. Get away. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. If you want to save money, then listen to me because I use this. Ryan uses this. So many people use Rocket Money.

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decently, but I feel like you're someone, you're in the business, but you don't care. As much as you care about the business, you don't get starstruck. You don't do the whole, got to go to this party, got to go to do this guy. You know, it's sort of like you're just, I'm a family guy. I love working. That's it. I like going to a parties if there's a reason to go to a party. But like I just got invited to a bunch of Emmy parties.

Right. It's like, uh-uh, no, I'm okay. if suits LA comes out and it's in the Emmy mix or then you'll go 100% you know I always say this but denzo Washington said that to me said never go to anyone else's premiere never go to like you don't need to be there if you're not part of it don't go um but with the exception being that I've taken my daughter to a couple of movie premieres probably like uh an animated movie or a fun movie like yeah we went to little mermaid um the live action little mermaid it was amazing This is called shit talking with Stephen Amel

because I want to get into some questions here. Patreon.com slash inside of you and join the day and support the podcast. You could ask questions. Michael Kane doesn't blank. Michael Kang doesn't blank is his name. Okay. What surprised you most about wrestling at live events?

Oh, just that in person, you hear individual voices in the crowd. You do? Yeah, for sure. Because I always think that you don't hear that. You hear him for sure. Like what do they say? Well, because a couple of the times I've been doing tag team matches, right?

Or even then, or even when I did my singles match in Chicago back in 2018, you'll just, it'll be quiet. You'll be quiet for a second. Bidding off a bit more than you can chew, huh, Mel? And you're like, uh-oh. Or just a guy just going, you can't wrestle like that. You're like, oh, my God. Do you ever want to say something or you don't?

Of course I want to say something. But can't you because you're a wrestler at that point. You can absolutely say something. You can shit talk back to the crowd as much if you want. Do you ever shit talk? I did at, so the three matches that I've done, two of them were on a pay-per-view, which is a fucking great way to introduce yourselves as a complete neophyte.

Just go to the biggest possible event and, you know, cut it loose. But I did. one event in San Antonio, Texas, uh, that was a big like six man tag match. And it's not televised. So the match in and of itself was probably like 45, 50 minutes. Um, and it's just a lot of fun. You're interacting with the crowd. And they were actually encouraging me like after my, after going in the ring and performing a couple of good moves just to walk back, you know, look at the crowd and look out there like how the fuck you like me now, guys, you know, that sort of thing. I love it. Uh, Melissa M.

And by the way, do you love the energy? Does it, does it pump you up? It's intoxicating. It is. It's why you end up doing stuff that once you've gone back through the curtain, you're like, oh my God, my body hurts so bad. Jesus. Melissa M., growing up, what was your favorite movie genre?

Well, I immediately think of the original Superman's and the original Batman's. Did you see it behind you, the Superman poster, signed by Gene Hackman, to the second best Lex Luthor, Gene Hackman. I didn't see that. That's a pretty good one. That's a good, that's an all-time poster right there. Oh, man. It really is. But, man, you know.

Did you like superhero stuff besides Superman? Did you like comic books? Did you like all that stuff? Not really that. My big thing was wrestling. Always wrestling. It was really, my big thing was wrestling. At the time, it was probably Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior.

Those guys. How about Superfly Snooka? I didn't like him. I liked Jake the snake. Andre? A lot. Andre, no, I didn't like Andre. Because he's bad.

Now I know more about Andre. I like Andre, but at the time, I just knew him as a bad guy. Todd Phillips gave me this awesome portrait of him, two of them. Oh, really? Yeah. Why does Todd Phillips have, Andre? I don't know. He had all the stuff.

And just, that's just, is that just Joker money? Just, I just, he just had extra stuff in his office. And my friend works for him. And she's like, hey, Todd must know if you want these. I'm like, fuck yeah. Yeah. I'll take. I got to show you those.

Those are awesome. No, but I, you know, also to the. like think of all the the cool like 1980s high school ish comedies like or movies I guess like can't can't buy me love or just one of the guys back to school back to school um catty shack yeah i love catty shack ferris be i wouldn't call that a high school comedy um like ferris sparrus fairspiless day off adventures and babysitting footloose stuff like that yeah breakfast club Dana asks, what is something important that you would tell your younger self?

Oh, just be patient. Just be patient and always think before you speak or at least try to think. That's really difficult, but it's so important. You know, it's so funny, I'll read stuff where it says people who don't listen and they just chime in all the time, they're usually not the smartest.

And I'm like, fuck. Yeah. Wait a minute, let me interject here. Yeah. Um, flirtatious B says, what do you use for motivation and any tips on how to maintain self-discipline? For motivation for me, if you're just speaking from a professional standpoint, is just the fact that, uh, you know, I'm about to be on a show that is on a major network and, uh, I'm going to be in millions of homes and on millions of screens. and I would like to look and feel my best. And I think that the absolute fear can be a good motivator.

Absolutely. It's amazing how somebody will say something to me about my appearance and someone close to me because it's important. I don't care if anybody else. But they'll say something and I'll go, yeah, yeah. And I'll throw it away and I'll just like, whatever. And then it will haunt me and I'll do whatever I can to look better or be better. yeah i mean like somebody will say you know you actually look good when you dress up

you actually look better and i'm like maybe i should start dressing up more maybe i should be on suits um little lisa what are three things you love about yourself that's tough because but but you should love something about yourself i i can name three things i love about you oh i've i've never been asked that question before so i have to i have to give myself some self-love right here you can do it i think I'm tenacious. Okay. I am stubborn, which I think that is something that you can love about yourself. I mean, it's one thing if you're being stubborn because you don't want to admit that you're wrong.

I think I can be, you can be stubborn, but also remain self-reflective and honest. So that is... I'd say smart. I think you're really smart. Do you think you're smart? Well, it's hard to say that because you sound cocky. Well, one of the things I love right now is that I really do know that while I am smart, I can recognize when I'm not the smartest guy in the room.

So I can recognize when it actually is important as opposed to interjecting. To listen. To listen. I love working in the, like, for example, you know, if I'm going to have a conversation with Greg Berlanti about television. and what you're trying to accomplish to make the viewer feel something that his answer and what he's going to tell me is smarter than anything that I could ever conceive of. So just listen.

99 more. Where's your favorite place to chill? I think my favorite place to chill is out in Palm Springs. All right. You go to therapy? I speak with my guy, Dr. Howard, on a we speak on a weekly basis you talk about everything we do talk about everything um i i think that getting back to what we discussed you know originally is i do very well with i do very well with

a with a routine there's something that people talk about in in recovery whatever you might be recovering from that that you want to avoid the the halt right are you halt halt t hungry angry, lonely, tired. Hungry, that tends to push you towards something that might be sort of self-destructive. Hungry isn't an issue for me. Angry, not really an issue for me.

Tired, not really an issue for me, but lonely. And by lonely, I kind of mean bored. That's where I run into a problem. Yeah, you can't be, you have to be stimulated. Stimulated, yeah. So one of the reasons I like talking about, with him on a weekly basis is because, you know, again, they always say, you know, take things

one day at a time, but I can also look at things like a week at a time. Like, what am I up to this week? What am I doing for, you know, what am I doing for me this week? Because as much as I love getting up and helping with my kid's school and making them breakfast and hanging out and going to swim practice, I have to have stuff for me. I have to have stuff. for my wife and I like we went out for like a like a kind of a date night last night although we also met a you know met up with a friend for dinner at the end of that it's like kind of like a date night we got to do stuff for ourselves as well yeah so I got it as long as I'm as long as I have things to look forward to then I can you know I'm not hungry right now I'm not angry

lonely I can feel lonely at times and tired yes so maybe one or two out of them tired's a tough one. Burlant, do you still talk to him a lot? Has he ever brought up potential era stuff? No. I mean, I joked about it because, I mean, I think that it would be wonderful one of these days to go back and do something that was like in a medium where I could break bones and drop an F-bomb and just sort of go the hard-ar version of things of arrow kind of the deadpool version of

yeah sure except i don't i don't picture all over breaking the fourth wall yeah yeah yeah maybe not that's that's been you imagine i actually think i have one moment in the series where i kind of stare directly into the camera saying i am the green arrow but that's that the you know that was me yeah that wasn't but so there's nothing out there but when i when i bring this up to him his old thing is where I'm like, you know, five, six, eight years from now, he's like, I'll be retired. And I'll be like, I'm like, will you be? And what about a movie? But if he's, uh, sure, an arrow movie, that'd be fun. We tried, we tried to do that, but it didn't. Why? Why didn't work? Um, I think there were some people, it, to my understanding, it just got, it got killed at the

studio level to from people that I think we're making decisions out of that were fear based and that's where all the bad decisions come from yeah fear based and it's all where all the mistakes come as a creator and actor when you fear something you kind of walk back it's it's the opposite it's like face your fears but yeah that it's completely different yeah it's amazing how that works it's like when you fear something you should really go after it if you want it and not let fear get in the way but also you could let fear get in the way of some something. I guess the same thing. Well, that's one of the things that people, when they ask about suits, they're like, oh, well, I mean, but like, how you're going to, like, live up to

the original or how are, you know, people are, you know, it's never going to be, it's never going to be what the first one was. I'm like, that's a fucking terrible reason not to take the job. Like, it's, it's, it's, no, it's not. It's going to be different. Set in a different place. It's like, there will be people that, that see our show that have never seen the original, that go back and find it. There will be people that love the original. that watch ours because they want to go back into that world. And then there will be people that loved the first one that for reasons that past understanding will be like, I'll never watch this one.

Yeah. Okay, fine. Great. Why go find something on Apple TV Plus then? You know what? You know what? I'm kind of, I'm happy and not disappointed, but no, it's a good thing. But usually you come in here and you either got COVID or there's a lot.

an incident on a plane or you got a crazy neighbor. You have an anxiety attack. It seems like everything's just going right right now. Yeah. You have so many possibilities. You got a show. It shoots in L.A. Family's good. You got your health. It's like everything's going really well for you. Well, the biggest thing that I have done for mental health over the past, it's been a little over 13 months right now. I have not been on social media. How does that change your life? August 2nd of last year. I was like, fuck, fuck this. I'm not on it very much. I have a social media person, but, you know, I don't do it a lot.

No, I still do it, but you think of it like it's a one-way mirror, right? I use this one app, it's called Business Suite or something like that, that I have access to my Instagram page, my Facebook page, but that's all I see. I don't see anything else, and I certainly never, ever, ever see comments. People always say, why don't you respond to my Instagram? Why don't you respond to that? because I don't know even how. Like I see like a, I don't know how, like when you tag someone, where do you see the tags?

Yeah. I don't, I don't know how a lot of that works. I just don't. First of all, my screen time went down 300% on a weekly basis. Yeah. So I can literally, you could probably, focus on other things. You could probably calculate the number of hours that you actually got back. It led to me thinking about times where I'd just be death scrolling on TikTok or Instagram.

And my daughter would go, what are you doing? And I'd be like, uh, uh, uh, I guess nothing, but I'm certainly not paying attention to you, which is important. So, yeah, that has just been, that has just been life-changing because, first of all, you don't, what do you think that I've actually missed out on in terms of, like, important things? Nothing. You missed out of nothing. Nothing.

There were a couple of friends of mine. I like funny stuff. Yeah, sure. I like fart videos as much as the next guy. God. But there have been, like, a couple of friends of mine, you'd probably say, like, more acquaintances, like, gotten married and obviously I didn't know them well enough to be invited to the wedding, but, like, I didn't, I didn't know.

And then I'll, because I, I'm not on social media. So I kind of found out, you know, like secondhand, but, you know, not, you just don't get caught up in stupid shit. Don't get caught up in someone else's life. Never compare yourself. Never go. No. This person is.

isn't happy. They're showing you, oh, look, I'm, I'm on top of the world and everybody's got their shit. Don't worry about that stuff. I also went through my phone and I probably had 14 or 1,500 contacts in there because they never erase, right? You've had the same phone since, whenever you got your first iPhone. So I didn't delete them all, but I took about a week and I went through somewhat painstakingly and took it from like 14 or 1,500. down to like maybe a hundred and seventy wow uh that's impressive if we have if we haven't spoken or if it in two years three years yeah you're out and i'll tell you the most interesting thing about that was that so you now know if you get a text message

and it's just a random number it's like okay well i did this in august of 2023 and i'd say over the next you know four or five months i maybe got five or six text messages from from numbers that weren't in my phone and then uh i booked suits and i must have had 200 messages from numbers that weren't in my phone right you're like who the fuck is this or just put thanks and don't worry about no i just delete and report junk yeah bye uh this has been a treat it's always easy i had nothing to talk to you about really but it just was easy yeah as always i appreciate you coming by i'm so pumped for you. Thanks, man.

Everything's going well for you. You got to keep this up, man. Yeah, you just got to, you know, relax. I think that, you know, the last kind of thing from a professional standpoint was just I was chatting with Aaron Korsh on Monday after the writer's room. And we both talked about how, you know, when he did the original suits, it was a real meteoric rise for him. And he doesn't think necessarily, I don't want to speak for it.

him but he's saying you know a new season would come around and I wouldn't it's not that I would be upset but I would be kind of dread like having to go through the process again like having to create all this stuff and he said you know I made a deal with myself that if I was going to do this again you have to enjoy it I was going to enjoy it and I feel very much the same way I I agree I don't I think every time you do something unless you know there's there's different situations like you know people need to work they need to make you know ends they just have have to, you know, they have families. They have all this. Of course. But if you have the decision, the power to do something, at least do something that you really want to do and do something

that brings an element of fun. Yeah. Something that you know, you like working with people. If you have that choice, then do it. And I can't believe you said you wouldn't, you're going to we're going to came over you on the show. I have to wear a suit for sure. Yeah. Of course you do. Can I keep my hair? Yeah. Okay. Good seeing. Good. Good. see you too. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside, so being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex.

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yeah he's great he knows what he's doing he knows what he's doing and he was uh guys in such good shape. I really, I don't like when people that are in such good shape sit across from me for an hour. Yeah. And when it's like full, he's wearing some short shorts that day. And his legs are just so powerful. Yeah. Muscular. Yeah. Nice tone. Yeah. Not a lot of hair. Kind of hairless. Yeah. We're describing them for you because they were not really on camera. Yeah, they weren't on camera, but really, really nice legs. Yeah. Way to go, Stephen. Um, yeah. Well, look, I think it's time to, uh, to our top tier patrons who are the the really the structure the not the structure of the uh what's the what's the word the the legs of this table they're the they're the foundation of this this

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