Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Stephen Amell Returns

Episode Date: January 21, 2020

Stephen Amell (Arrow, TMNT, Heels) joins us for one of the most powerful and jaw-dropping episodes we’ve ever done. Coming off the ending of his 8 year tenure with Arrow, Stephen opens up a lot about being at his wits’ end and being completely burnt out mentally, physically, and emotionally. This all leads to Stephen suffering a panic attack mid show… leaving in an unprecedented manner… and then returning with enough bravery to re-address his current mental health. Honestly, this episode encompasses everything this show is about. Make sure you share this episode folks.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Ryan Teas. How are you, bud? Good. Happy New Year. Happy New Year to you. We did the best of 2019 last week. It was great.

I really like it. Thank you, Mia, for putting that together. I know it was an easy and Bryce. You guys worked hard to get that all figured out. But we hadn't done something like that and people do that. And I thought it'd be fun to do a top 13. And, you know, it was fun. It was fun.

Yeah. We figured it out, right? Yeah. Mia figured it out. but hey look I want to say hello shout out to everybody that keeps supporting the show the patrons the patrons I love you guys uh thank you for subscribing and you know giving your money to a show that uh you love and you believe in and that means a shit ton more than you can possibly imagine you know it's been a good year so far look it's just started a lot of good stuff coming up with uh with the podcast got some great guests really great guests and we're doing the video we're going to transition into video, and I hope that works. I hope that gives us a bigger, even a bigger audience.

And, uh, you know, it's, it's worth a shot, isn't it, Ryan? I think so. All the kids are doing it. And, uh, this show won't lose anything other than you can still listen to it on all your platforms. And then, uh, you could also watch it probably on YouTube at some point, correct? Indeed. Indeed.

So, uh, I will be in Portland with Tom Welling, my cohort on January 24th for the wizard con or whatever. So get your tickets. We're doing a small, though, nights. We do the improv show. So get your tickets. Go to wizardworld.com. You'll figure it out going on my Twitter or whatever.

Also be in Mexico, March 13th. Yeah. That whole weekend, Tom and I will be there. We're finally going to Mexico. I know we have a lot of Mexican friends, and I'm excited about that. I love Spanish. I love learning Spanish, which I'm not great at. I love people speaking Spanish.

It's a great language. It's easy to listen to. Although sometimes I think people are fighting when they're just having a conversation. Yeah, it's lively. It's lively. It's a lively fun conversation. Where are you going to Mexico? Mexico City for their Comic-Con or whatever.

So Tom and I will be there for three days. It's going to be great. So make sure you sign up for that and check out our little improv show. You're not going to want to miss it. Thank you for supporting the podcast on Instagram. Make sure you keep that up. It's at Inside of You podcast on Instagram, Twitter, at Inside of You pod. Thank you for supporting the band left on Laura.

if you want any merch you can go to the inside of you store and get merch there for inside of you or left on the world also want you guys to know that pure evil the wine that we do with knocking point wines a new uh there's subscriptions available we did a new one i'm the pure wellings the evil now and uh you can get that go to knocking point dot com use my code which uh you'll just look on on twitter or instagram you get a discount on that on the subscription but it's badass we sold that last year and i'm pretty sure we're gonna sell it this year so So that's pretty much that. You know, this guest today, I just like, I like that he likes me.

You know, you want to be liked. And I feel like this guest is someone who, you know, probably gets asked to do tons of interviews and Stephen Amel. And he gets, you know, but he, we had a connection. I don't know what it was. The first episode, he says, I like your questions. I like your, the way you handle an interview. And I was like, wow, this is great.

And he came back. And I must have caught him at a crazy time. I did catch him at a crazy time, Ryan. And you were here. And he was talking about. life and he just seemed like he was just finishing up season eight of Arrow his final season he looked a little tired still gorgeous still gorgeous and i could just tell something was a little off he was more emotional he made it very clear that he was just very tired he had just had it

like you know i can't even imagine i'm single guy here uh and you know wife, kid, back and forth, Vancouver, you're the lead, you're holding it, you're constantly doing fight scenes because he loves to do his own fight scenes. Yeah, I think you look at him, you think this is just the perfect human being, the perfect specimen. This is like the Evon Drago and Rocky Four. But things start to unwind. In the first half of this interview, let's just say things get interesting. I wasn't surprised as much as Ryan was. Ryan was a little, you were nervous. You didn't, you didn't know what to do. You didn't. You didn't know what to do. hadn't experienced people like sort of uh he was falling apart like right in front of us yeah he was

falling apart a little bit and i think he was just trying to keep it together i don't know why he showed up for the podcast and i kept me i joke with him in the second half of this interview but you'll hear about all of it and i'm glad that he was a sport and you got to hear the before and after so this is a two-parter so um let's get into it it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience You were just looking at a picture of the first X amount of guests

I had on the show and you're one of them Only three people have come on twice That's you Cat, Zach Levi and Tom Willing That's it And you live so close You could come really every day if you want do you want me to do you think we'd want out of shit to say maybe i don't know i think just in the kitchen

now we could have probably had a conversation for a good four minutes when did you move up from the because last time we did this we were down in the uh in the basement yeah you know i wanted to be a little more intimate but the real reason was i felt like all that shit had to be put out guess would come and then not that i would have to put it back but i'd put some of it back sure right so i felt like you had to move everything here you just walk in you're ready to go Yep. What do you think? Do you like this?

Do you feel claustrophobic? I'm mostly worried about keeping my, keeping as close to the microphone as possible. Yeah, that's important. There we go. I know. You're drifting. It's burped. Sorry.

I burped, too. I burped in the last podcast. You don't do many podcasts. I haven't done a podcast since I did your podcast. Is that true? No, you did, you did one. You did Anna Ferris at the time. Oh, because that's when you told her that I was one of the best podcasts out there.

I just want to, I just remember that. Yeah, but that was like. I liked doing it, but that was a requirement. That was a Comic-Con thing. Oh, the Ana Ferris was. Yeah. So it was fun, it was nice, but it was, you didn't want to do it. I guess they were, I was, I was indifferent.

I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have seeked it out. I remember specifically wanting to do your podcast. Really? Yeah. Why is that? We didn't really know each other, but why did you want to do my podcast? Because you think you're pretty fucking good at the, I like the interviews. You seem to get people to share stuff that they wouldn't necessarily share.

I'm a little frightened You don't need to be frightened You really don't need to be frightened It's just there's so much to talk to you about And I you know I had Jess print all this stuff out But I didn't even look at it Because it doesn't really matter

I know enough about you But you're interesting And I will tell you this This is completely non sequitur My friend Troy He said something I don't know if I told you about But he's like yeah you know

I heard Stephen's a little intense on the Arrow set or this was years ago this was many years ago and you i think you discussed this yeah it's like yeah yeah i don't know is he a nice guy or like he listened to the podcast oh and said boy was i wrong this guy's awesome you know when i started arrow like and we talked about this before i definitely gripped a little bit too tight you know like noise on set phones you're probably anxious too you're the lead it's a new thing yeah i'm i wasn't i also you know relatively speaking wasn't as mature. And that really changed around season three. And yet I wore that fucking reputation until we finished the show. You hate this. If you ever hear, you will never hear

a bad thing about me from the Aero Crew. Never. From cast ever. Never. My reputation is rumor and innuendo. That's that, that's what I'm getting at. It is not deserved. And it fucking pisses me off. I know it does. And that's why I knew I knew I. could bring it up to you yep because i know you and i know what it's like to be on set for hours upon hours and the uh the the pressure and my theory is that if you um somebody says oh i met this one actor on the street and he was kind of rude i'm like you think maybe he had a bad day yeah i never i never believe that shit you always give the better now if people person after person start coming up it's always one guy one story that sort of evolves i have never ever

treated anyone that I work with with anything less than the utmost respect. Catherine McNamara, I'm going to tell you this now. I interviewed her, and I think yours is going to air before hers, but it doesn't matter. Okay. I asked her. I didn't ask her anything about you really, other than, you know, just regular shit. You know, you're her dad on the show. Yeah, that's true.

But I said, who's your favorite? She goes, oh, I don't want to. I go, no, no, no, no. Who's your favorite? Who do you, like, look, really look forward to working with every day? It could be many people, just throw the first person that comes to your mind. She goes, Stephen. She said Stephen.

Did she not, Ryan? You were there. It was an hour ago. It was an hour ago. I remember it well. How does that make you feel? Makes me feel good. I'm very, very aware that there's always so much about your reputation that you can control.

I just know that everyone that worked on Arrow casting crew, when we announced that it was going to be the final season, and that we were going to be 10 episodes every single show in Vancouver immediately tried to hire our crew by going well you're only going to do 10 episodes come with us do 22

they stayed everyone stayed because I asked them to and I feel like I earned it I fucking love that yeah and you say that with conviction you believe it because you know it

you know it to be true I would say the same thing Catherine said something not that we're going to toot our own horns here but fuck it she was like you know oh my god i was talking to jd and i was talking to so-and-so and my other crew when i were doing shadow hunters and this and they all knew you and they all were telling stories i'm like oh fuck what were they saying they're like no they all admired you i'm like what how would troy ever here where's you're still on that from yeah i'm just curious as to where he's getting his information from

you know what i mean well that's the thing i think he was um doing extra work on arrow okay he's a look he's a great guy. I love you, Troy. He knows that. I'm a nerd, but he's nerds Stradamus. Okay. This guy is a guy. He dresses up to do Renaissance shows. I love it. I think it's great. He's a great friend. He's smart. He's a good actor. Years ago, he was an extra or something. And I think somebody said something or somebody, you know, people gossip. People talk. But he didn't say you were a bad guy. He just said, yeah, I wonder what he's like in, you know, in person. Because, you know, it seemed like maybe there was some difficulty early on. Sure. Yeah. Early on, I was a little quick-tempered, but I don't take any of it back. What drives you crazy? What, like, upsets you that, you know, is warranted that's worthy of like,

you know what? Let me guess. Probably when you're walking on set and now you're waiting 30 minutes when they said they're ready to shoot. That probably bothers the shit out of you. It does. It really does. Especially when you're the lead actor on a show. Like I said before, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I spoke to the, like, you know, to a man, I spoke to the crew, you know, early on. And it's like, do you guys want to break for 15 minutes every day and talk about our feelings? Or do you want to get this shit done? Because we just have to come back the next day. Right.

And I know this is true. I did annoy the crew, right? Because I had this encyclopedic knowledge of the show. And if we were doing something and it didn't track, it didn't match up, it didn't fit with continuity, I would put my foot down until we got it right. Ah, see, we're getting somewhere. And so, but here's what would happen. 20 different times a crew member has come up to me and gone, you know, it's really fucking annoying when you do that.

But you know what's most annoying about it? And I go, no. And they go, you're always fucking right. So it's like, it's annoying, but we begrudgingly accept that you're doing it in servitude to the show. And I believe that wholeheartedly. I'm never that guy, which is probably annoying in the other way. I go the opposite direction where I'm like, you know. What do you mean?

An example. I was playing, there was an episode where I play Zod. Yeah. Right? And I remember to Welling, I go, guess what, bro? He's like, what I go? Guess who's getting paid twice on this episode? He's like, who?

Me. He's like, why? I go, I'm playing Lex. I'm playing Zod. They paid you twice? No. No. Okay.

Okay. They did not. And on top of it, I saw Christopher walking on some talk show and he goes, I don't read scripts because you're going to find that what happens anyway my scenes had nothing to do with tom they really had i didn't need to know anything about his world because not knowing other than what i was supposed to know as the character yeah so my character came in i want i i a lot of times i didn't know what was going on yeah but you read every script every script well you're arrow yeah you have to i didn't have to do that but if i'm reading every script and you but you want to

above because you learned everything there was to know about Oliver Queen and Arrow in the universe. Correct? That's right. Yep. So you would say things like, what's something that, in retrospect, annoyed someone that you said? Something that you can remember that you go, now Oliver wouldn't say that or do that or wear that. What was it? I can't remember any specific instance, but

I'd actually have the script supervisor. They would come ask me questions. They'd be like, hey, what happened? And I'll go in season two, in episode 13 this person said this to another person that's why we can't do it the way that's written

and you need to make a change you're that aware yeah are you that I think that takes a certain brilliance though doesn't it I mean like is or is that just

you're so aware and you're so disciplined and you're so and you have a good memory I have a shit memory with regular stuff like I forget stuff all the time

I'm terrible with people's names what's my last name Rosenbaum okay You remember his name? You almost said it. Craig, Craig, Craig, Chris, Ryan, fuck. I didn't say it.

I'm back, God, damn it. You met him once. It was quick. And by the way, last time there was another dude sitting there. Yeah. That's not your fault. Yeah. It still bugs me.

Do you cry? I mean, I know you cry probably when your kid was born. You probably cried at your wedding. I've cried twice today. What? You're a liar. I'm not lying. You cried.

I'm worried that I'm going to cry during this. podcast you're not going to cry but if you cry you're comfortable because you know me i don't i cry you know i but tell me what you cried about today um i have really really been struggling with the end of the show i'm mentally exhausted and uh my wife forced me to go to the uh forced me to go to the doctors today because she was she was worried that something was was actually wrong with me and i said nothing is wrong with me i'm just tired I'm like, I don't want to go to the doctor. She got really mad at me.

And she told me to get my shit together. And that really, it set me off. Because I was, yeah, I was literally sitting on the ground. I've gone down a couple of times over the past few weeks. Down. Down to a dark place. Yeah, a couple weeks ago, I spent, uh, um, my family was going out to Palm Springs. And, uh, I just looked at my wife and I'm like, I can't even get myself off the ground right now.

laid on the couch for two days I'm in a state of morning and it's really tough I also feel as though I need to mentally reset if I could if I could do it again I wrapped a arrow on the 15th of November

if I could do it again I would have absconded with my family I'd be in Africa right now on a safari with no phone I just feel like I've been trying to do things for people for the past for the past eight years

and I just need a fucking break I want to be a dad I want to be a husband I don't even really want to talk to my friends that much I just need a break and I and I cried about it twice today just randomly in front of your wife

yeah and I still don't like crying in front of my wife that much there's something about it that feels emasculating that's that's stigma that's yeah I I know I'm wrong it doesn't mean that I don't feel that way right you know what I mean it's still hard even though you know Like it shouldn't be wrong crying in front of someone, but there's a certain perception or there's

Maybe it's all you've ever know. Maybe was your dad a cryer? Yeah, I remember the first time that my dad cried in front of me. He cried after my great grandfather, his grandfather, um, called him and saying happy birthday and he was telling me about it. And then he grabbed my hand and I looked up and he was crying and I'd never seen my dad cry. I didn't know that adult men could cry. I've never seen my dad cry. Have you not? Never. It's jarring. The first time that you see it's, it's, uh, I mean, I was, you never forget it. Never. I was, I was 12 years old. Remember it to this day. You're sitting at the kitchen table. Do you realize that this is already the best podcast I've ever had? Really? You know why? Because I don't know if it's that I caught you in a time of just pure vulnerability,

but it is so, it's, it's just, it's powerful in a sense that I, I, I, I, I, I, remember just leaving a show when I wasn't even the lead and I remember partly it's like it's all over and I know in a way you're like I want to go back to being a father I want to go back to being married and you're like but regardless underneath all that is that is the end of something that you've been a part of I don't know maybe a fifth of your life something like that well I mean I'm 20 25 percent of it 25 so to end something like that to then say, okay, let's go, back to the world, back to life. I don't want to go back to life. I want to go on vacation. You want to go on vacation? Where do you want to go to Africa? You want to do something?

In retrospect, I mean, I'm going away. We're taking our daughter to Disney. We're going to spend Christmas in London. Anytime someone would ask something of me for the past month, I'm, I'm like offended. You know what I mean? It's like, leave me alone. Leave me alone. I can't do anything.

It's just been people constantly fucking telling me. what I have to do. I don't have to do shit. No. I need to be a husband and a father. That's it. And a decent friend. That's it.

And a son. That's all that I need to do. More importantly. And I'm not a doctor. Yeah. I've been to many. But you know what you need to do? You need to take care of your fucking self.

I know. Before you could take care of your family. And that's why your wife is probably. That's why she's like going to just see somebody because I'm worried about you and I'm not a doctor. So, of course, that comes out of love. Of course, it comes out of, and it's like, she's, she's genuinely worried about me. Of course.

And I'm worried about you. I'm looking at you, but I'm worried about you in a way that I know a few months from now that you're going to, you're going to be great. You're going to be recharged. You're going to be happy. You're going to feel like, God, I feel like a great dad right now. I feel like I have the energy to do things. Yeah. You know, and that's just the reality.

That's not me trying to make you feel good. That's like it's going to take some time. You're in mourning of a show. Yeah. that was part of your life or a quarter of your life, you are also physically and mentally spent. There are moments in my life where that's what happened. That's why I went to that clinic. You know, I told you that? Yeah. That's why I went, man. I, uh, I've considered going to something like that. You know what? Uh, it's the, the best thing I could have done.

I, for me, I think you've always, like, had a good grasp of, like, who you are. I think you are, I think you are more mature than I am. I think you had good role models. I think you were probably loved a little more than or at least felt more love than I was. So what I'm saying is I don't think I really grew up at all until I went to this place and realized things that I never, when they said things like, hey, you're relearning. I stopped them with tears in my eyes and said, no, I'm fucking learning. I'm learning for the first time.

I'm a first grader in art class. and I'm sitting here with a woman who's patient who's looking at me and so it was life-changing for me it really was and I have a lot of work to do and I'm just like going when did you go I went in July for 22 days Jesus you know they say it takes 21 days to break a habit right sure so that was did they say that I didn't know that when I went there okay I felt like I was in fact I remember do you know I said something to I've never really I haven't talked I don't think as much about this but I will with you because you're being as vulnerable so I'll be just as vulnerable I remember I walked in there and I sat down with one of the therapists and I go

I don't expect you to be able to help me you have people in here that are rock bottom with drugs and alcohol and I'm not really on any of that stuff I mean I take some sleeping pills and Xanax and but I'm just like I don't I'm fucking lost man I am a lost

fucking soul and I'm tired of feeling sorry for myself I don't reach out to anybody really because they I can't even articulate what's going on in my head I can't even like put sentences together to tell someone how I'm actually feeling because it goes in so many different directions one of my friends went there and I go he was really low this person went there and they were fucking low I'm not as low as that but I'm probably you know I don't know I remember saying If this person was a two, I was probably, I'm like a four maybe. Yeah.

When I left that place, the woman sat me down. She was, remember coming in here and saying, you know, all these things. I go, yeah, she goes, you were lower than your friend. And that, I immediately started crying. Yeah. Because someone acknowledged how I've been feeling. They actually understood that I was in such a fucked up place.

And I needed to make drastic changes. And I had been working. And I really like, I want to live. I want to enjoy life. I want to. And it's very easy for people to judge. It's very easy for people to say, come on, dude. You got a great life.

Got a great house. But there was stuff that went on in my life that I just never took care of. I never took care of myself. Yeah. So you got to take care yourself, you know? I also think that probably over the course of, over the course of eight years, I said to my wife today, I'm like, I think over the course of eight years, I missed almost a year's worth of sleep.

I do not doubt that for a fucking minute. You know, shoot until 5 o'clock in the morning, and I'd be on a 7 o'clock flight. How do you do that? I don't know. Because I remember thinking, how is Welling doing this on Smallville? How is he doing that?

Because I would work three days out of the five, maybe four, but like I'd have a little time off and, I mean, the hours were long, I'd shave my head. But I couldn't do what he did. Yeah. I couldn't do what you did. I don't, maybe it's you if he was younger than me.

I disagree with you. If Smallville had been about Lex Luthor, And you had to keep Tom's hours. You would have done it. I would have done it. You would have done it. But I would be where you are now. Yeah.

I would be struggling. When did you wrap? November 15th. Dude, it's not even a month. I know. Your body is going through such changes because you, when's the last time you had more than like three months off in your life? Two months off in your life? Uh,

uh 2009 10 years ago is the last time when you were also 28 years old it's exactly right yeah what's your body like when you're young you don't even realize you could just do whatever you could sleep till uh you go to go to bed at 4 in the morning wake up at 5 and you're you somehow can do it but when the older you get and that's why 47 now I couldn't I couldn't I don't they don't they don't interest me they offer me stuff I'm not going to lie they offer me I've been offered series one hour series and I go no unless It's a 10 episodes or eight episodes a year, and I have ample time to learn my shit,

and I'm not, because I don't want to bury myself in the ground. Yeah. Trying to do something that I'm just not willing to put myself through. I mean, I took another series immediately. I know. As the lead. But it's eight episodes.

Eight episodes, and it's something that you really love. Yeah. I mean, you love wrestling. Yeah. What's it called? It's stars. Yeah. Heels.

When do you start? March 15th or so March 15th Yeah So you have plenty of time I got a lot of training to do Starting in January But yeah I got a lot of time

But eight episodes Eight episodes When I saw that video Last year of you wrestling Chris Daniels Yeah Christopher Daniels Have you seen that Ryan? No

You know I think when people thought Oh An actor is going to wrestle With one of these professionals I judge people before I fucking know them I'm not going to lie to you I've done that sure like Troy fuck you Troy you hear me I love you he knows it but then I see this video you have to see him wrestle you're doing shit that I'm like why are they letting him do this how is he not dying I didn't ask that's how they let me it is beyond me and so tell me this when you do

this new if you guys haven't seen it look up Stephen Amel wrestling what would they look up w uh it's stephen emel all in all in it's it's to me it's unbelievable i know you'll watch and shit your pants but you're you're a wrestler in the series yeah please please don't let let them do your stunts i'm not gonna have a stunt double i can't i'm gonna be in a speedo how the fuck am i gonna have a stunt double i want to get this on video you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna be in a speed i'm gonna wear wrestling trunks we call them trunks but it's it's ostensibly a speedo so your body has to look really good you don't want to look like the undertaker you want to look more like i do i i i want to get uh thicker actually like i like i don't

i don't want to i don't want to be like super ripped i want to look strong you want to look like a wrestler yeah like a real fucking yeah tough big fucker yeah a lot of work to do on my legs too that's gonna do the biggest thing how often will you wrestle um i think the first episode i my character He wrestles like three times. Do you do crazy shit? Do you jump off the ropes? Do you do a flip? I'm going to have to do some crazy shit.

Are you going to flip yourself? Yeah. I could do a front flip on a trampoline. So can I. I can't do a back one. I can. Yeah. Ryan?

Not a chance. No. Not even a little bit. You know, I hate to ask this to you, but, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not asking anything of you now because I heard what you said. Don't stop asking me for things. But come March, when this show comes out, or when you start filming it's not going to come out to August.

I'm going to want you to come on and promote that show. I actually don't know when it airs. I'll come back on. I think it'll come on. I think it'll probably come out in the fall. But I don't know. I could be making that up. That's something that it's written for you.

That was the funny thing is they went out to another actor who's name I'll leave out of this. And I don't know if they didn't know how I was available. But they're like, you know, we've got this wrestling show called Heels at Stars. and we've gone out to actor X. And the first three people that they said that to, they go, did Stephen M.L pass? And they rescinded their offer to this guy and offered it to me.

Wow. How pissed was he? Don't know. You know what? I wouldn't be that pissed. If I found out that my body couldn't handle this kind of stuff right now, I'd get a stunt double for sure. If they asked me to walk across the street, my stump double better be there.

Because, you know, it's dangerous. Yep. You could easily get hit by a car as easy as you could fly, you know, whatever. I'm happy for you. So my. So there are good things. I think also, right now.

I also, like, but I was, I was a little worried that I was, you know, like, I was like going home with the first girl that smiled at me at the bar. You know what I mean? But it's such a good project and the scripts are really great and, uh, it's funny. And you have half of December, January and February before you even really have it. And I'll tell you what. I'm going to tell you something. You might, you have more power than you think. if you said hey

I just want January off to recoup with my family another just one month can you just push one month they would do it yeah they asked me when I wanted to start okay so say April take an extra month I'm fine with March

don't tell me what to do do you think that you're you have yet to mourn this show like being done with it do you think that's going to hit you when you least expected

or do you think you're like you're just it's been so that you're pretty much done this is you're you're good you've been wanting this to end even though you love it you love the fans I do I do love I do love the fans um I just don't want any responsibility right now other than a husband and father I really don't are you going to go see someone or you're not going to do that I might I think I might I wish you can go see this guy Dr. Tesla row in Connecticut this old Jewish guy is it hot in here or am I just sweating I'm going to second. You are

swearing. I am. I don't know why. Hey, look, if you're cool with me sweating, I'll just sit here and sweat.

Don't worry about it, man. No, no, I'm hot too. I am hot. Yeah. It is hot. I noticed it, but I'm not sweating. Honestly, man. I think I might be sick.

You want to throw up? Yeah. Well, come on. Use my bathroom. I, uh, I might I'd have to cut this short, man. I'm not feeling well at all. Really? Yeah. Well, why don't you leave if you want, but why don't, first, you drink some water. I'm going to get you some Tylenol. No, I think I just got to go. Do you want me to bring you home? Let me drive you home.

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This next part, this is the second half of the interview with Stephen Amel. What you just heard was a guy who was exhausted And, you know, as much as he plays a superhero on TV, you know, we're human beings. And I commend him for coming back and talking to me. But he had to go. He had to cut this interview short as you hear. And it was a little bit, it was a little crazy as you're going to hear.

So this is, Stephen comes in two weeks later. And this is how he finished the interview. I thought that for the new part, let me just make sure my phone is off. The new part on heels. heels that I would go with a savage look that I would go with a mustache so I cut my hair really short started to grow the mustache there's no good time to start growing a mustache like those if you can make it through the first couple of days you're in good shape you grow it fast though well yeah but I when did I think I shaved right when I got to over the Christmas break right

when I got to no I was in Florida Florida I shaved in Dallas I think I got shaved in Florida, and then I was in London, and I let it grow for a little bit, and then I went to one of those grooming shops, which I love so much. What are grooming shops? It's like, you know, the Ted Baker products? I do. Yeah. There's Ted Baker grooming stores, and you go in there, and it's like...

They groom you? It's like 40 or 50 pounds or something like that, and you're in there for an hour. They cut your hair, they shave you, they massage your arms, they... Well, they wet. wax your back? No. Well, fuck,

man. I think, I think basically it's neck down your, neck down you're on your own. Ah,

that didn't sound like a groom. That's, I mean, that sounds kind of like, it sounds okay. But I also wanted, like,

a professional to set the parameters of the moustache because I don't want to too, too small. That's one thing. Yeah, you definitely don't want the Hitler.

But too big, that's sort of like caricaturi. I don't know. I think that this character possibly has a mustache. I like this. And by the way,

look at you, and I guarantee you'd say the word brother differently with this stash. Like, without the mustache, you might be brother, but this might be brother. Brother. No, I like it. You know, you're a wrestler, right? And when does it take place in the 80s or no? No, it's present day. It's just... Present day. It's just small town.

It's called Duffy, Georgia. Well, you're also a really looking. You're a really good-looking guy. So with a mustache, you're still good-looking, but it gives you, like, an off, like, kind of weird... He's attractive, but you know, I... I, I, I, I, I could escape for a minute with a male's mustache. Also, it's really great being around my wife every time someone compliments me on it.

Because she doesn't like it. I don't know. And you just look at her and go, huh? See? There you go. He liked it. No, but I had my hair really short. I mean, it's been growing for like two weeks.

But I don't know. New Year. I actually don't, I don't know why I said that. I don't believe in any of that shit. What, the New Year? The whole New Year, whatever. It just so happens that the New Year has coincided with a, sort of a new chapter in my life, but New Year.

But we'll come, oh, hang on, let's take a break here. Like, you don't believe in the whole resolutions, and you don't believe. All right, dude, I spent, my friend Rob and I, granted, we smoked a little bit of a joint. I'm not recommending that. You don't need to, but a few days before the new year and we sat, we went back to my house and we just, like, rode out two dudes, rode out all the things we want to do, all the things you want to accomplish so they're there in writing and then I then I type them up the next day and they're in front of me so I could look at them and I say this is what you want to accomplish

this is what you wrote down these were your wants and your things and your desires why don't you stick to these things instead of just fucking around and not having any real I don't know structure whatever but why January 1st well what do you mean why before before January 1st why not October 6th because it just doesn't seem like big it's like you're doing it for the rest that like this is all right you've had enough shit in your life last year these are all the things i did these are all the things that were bad that happened this is all the shit but you know what in about a few more days i can enjoy and then this is when you get busy this is when you start doing all these things and and people usually leave them after a few weeks right everybody's

oh that lasted a month i don't know i think i'm pretty strong lately i think i could i could stick to stuff i mean when i used to work in a uh when i used to work in a gym um teaching spinning You taught spinning what year? Oh, gosh. I probably started in 2002. Was it fun? Yeah. I mean, it was how I kind of got into acting

insofar as I was able to teach and make enough money that I could go and I could audition. Spinning coach, they make good money. No, you make okay money. I made like 50 bucks a class. And how many classes was a day? Sometimes like five.

So you were ripped? You know, when you first start teaching, get really skinny. And then you get in this weird pseudo in shape because you're active, but not really doing anything to better yourself because there's no physical way that you can exert yourself over three classes, four classes, five classes, when your job is also to motivate people and to go around and to affect be a teacher or an instructor. There's no way that you can put the same amount of effort into those classes. So you've, get into this sort of weird zone, whereas if you're participating in the class, and maybe you do

one or two, but you do a spin class and, you know, you basically get five, six workouts over the course of a week, but you really commit yourself to them. You get in way better shape doing that than teaching. Dude, I am, the reason I'm laughing, because you're telling the story, you're thinking it's not really funny what I'm saying, but what I'm laughing at is imagining you as a spin instructor with that mustache. All right, everybody, let's work it. We're going up the mountain. brother brother all right look there's an elephant in the room and uh you know i should have started with this but i didn't feel the need to but last time you came in yeah it was uh it was you look completely different you uh your whole disposition yeah it was because of this it was

because of the setup of your room i knew you're gonna blame me i couldn't get the door open but what happened was watch i was so important because i remember yeah uh so if you look by the way if they're listening you obviously they just heard what happened um and we jump into this and it's interesting because i didn't know because i Ryan was a little freaked out right Ryan yeah it was yeah he was oh really well he says you were white you know he's just like i just hope he's okay i don't know and but i know panic attacks i know overwhelmingness and i could tell you were sweating i tell you i'm not really i don't know you just weren't well for starters i shouldn't have i knew i should have i should it cancelled yeah for sure yeah you're yeah i don't know why in fact i said that why would you like you

yeah i i i so um you just love the fucking podcast i do well i mean i left here i tried to drive i tried no i i walked home you tried to you pulled up beside me and tried to drive me i drove down the street that i was freezing on the walk but not because i was i was just freezing because um i was just my body sweating the cold and the cold and i got uh i got home i got on to the couch put a blanket over me and again was freezing but just sweating uh bullets and um you know told my wife i just that i'm having a i had a really bad panic attack and uh i text her after i said i just got to check up on him oh really i did she didn't tell you don't please don't say anything but i was worried about you and that's why i was like fuck you know jess was like well or who said it

maybe it was just was like well it's rush hour all these cars and he said i'm a panic attack I was racing down the dude get in my truck you're like I'm fine yeah I just wanted to listen to a I wanted to listen to a podcast and walk by myself actually not yours right that's all right it's okay that's okay you left mine to listen to another it's totally it totally it makes sense dude now but what were what were you thinking when you were when you were walking down the you know what happened earlier in the day I was pretty positive that there was nothing physically wrong with me. But as we discussed, the leaving of the show combined with just not really breaking away from it in my life, just in terms of getting back into Los Angeles.

And it was like I needed this clean, this clean break. I needed to go on a trip. I needed to drop my phone. I needed to... You just hadn't disconnected. I just hadn't disconnected. And I just hadn't disconnected. And ironically, I had said with Code 8 coming out that, you know, ideally, I'm going to be in Los Angeles. I'm, you know, I'm going to take the break from mid-November until Thanksgiving. And then you guys have me for three weeks or two weeks or whatever we need for prep. And I shouldn't have done that. Now, that being said, that's when they decided to put out the movie. And I needed to promote the movie. And I needed to promote the movie but and I'm not laying this all at the feet of Code 8 because I love the people that

were involved and they were very fair. But you were just done. They were very fair and equitable with my time, but I was just done. It could have been anything. Didn't matter what it was. It could have been if it was turtles back in the day. It could have been, uh, it could have been an award show campaign because I was playing Pitts Part and once upon a time in Hollywood. It doesn't wouldn't, it doesn't matter. You're done. Isn't that something when the body, I've been there when you're, because a lot of times you're like, you know, I just go work out. I'll feel better. I'll just go do this, I'll be fine. And then there comes a time where your body just goes, no, you're not doing any of that.

Well, that was the other part, that was the other problem, too, is that I'd gotten into such a rut with physical fitness or lack there of, that there was no, there was no physical release. There was no, there was no release of endorphins. I even found myself, like, with very little, not to get too personal, but with very little sexual. appetite just because I was doing nothing except just digging myself into a rut with my body and there was some form of A, talking about it with you and just talking about it in general and B, going to the doctor earlier that day and realizing that in fact nothing was fucking wrong with me. And that's when you have that moment of realization where you go, oh my God, this is in my head like which is sometimes scarier it is scarier because you're like i'd rather them i'd rather them

tell me no no no no you need to get your spleen removed yeah or you've got the flu a fucked up and flu something but no there was there was nothing that's how it happened for me i think it fucked me up and i didn't know how to deal with it i was on set and i had a panic attack and i said to troy my sister said hey man get the doctor here i don't feel well i feel like i was having a heart attack whatever he gets on there he checks my vitals like he goes well you had a physical this is Michael have you ever had a panic attack Worst thing he could have fucking said to me Yeah

And I go no what And I was embarrassed I never told anybody I had panic attacks So I had like four or five on that set After that never told anybody Just said I had diarrhea I had to jump runoff set People just laughed

I was gonna make him laugh That's me hey I'm funny I got diarrhea And they're like where's Rosenbaum And I'm literally in the looking in the mirror At myself going You're fine You're fine

And Xanax doesn't work after that You know you take a Zanx After you're having a panic attack, it might, it takes, it just, dude. Well, even talking with doctors, the thing that they'll tell you is that one of the best things that you can do is just to self-soothe, which is easy, unless you have a kid, A. What do you mean by self-soothe? Well, self-sooth, like, leave me alone. Just leave me alone and let me catch my breath.

And that is easy for me, but really difficult for my wife because she wants to help, right? And I want to tell her, you can help by waiting for me to ask you for help if in fact I need it. Otherwise, I'm just trying to catch a rhythm of breath and get everything under control. And the minute that a door opens or something drops on the floor or you sit down on the bed and put your hand on my shoulder, it's like I'm back at square one. But the biggest thing, the biggest thing for me was just all of a sudden it was. was like, okay, I think we did it on a Thursday, or maybe on a Friday. What? The podcast.

I'm trying to remember. What? Did you hear me? What? But I went home. I laid on the couch. I had an IV service, come to the house, and they just pumps me full of fluid. That help?

And vitamins. And there was something that they gave me directly in the IV that will make you drowsy if you take it anyway. but putting it in an IV the name is escaping me right now it's one of those basically it's one of those like cold medicines Does it start with the G?

No Not MFFedophenerine No No it's like it's It's uh no it'll gosh Whatever you can get back to it But the point is is that They popped it into the first bag

Or I think it was actually possibly Because I was all shaky So they also gave me something for that But they popped it right in there during the first bag and I got the second bag and the IV taken out of my arm while I was fast asleep.

You were out? I was out. Really? I was totally out. Brindsen? You can buy it at a CVS. It just so happens when they pump it right into your veins

knocks you right out. But I listened to the podcast because I asked you to send me the raw. Because that's true. What I was thinking was one. I go, you know, Stevens, many people I'm sure would have gone no no no never error that it's embarrassing I don't want to do that and then I thought well you know this is exactly what my audience needs to listen to the world

needs to listen to he plays a superhero he's been on this for eight years he's never rested he has a family he's doing so much things I don't know how he's juggling at all he hit a wall he's fucking tired and guess what superhero got tired yeah he's that's a real person he had anxiety and I was hoping you'd say one of two things I gave you I go look we could can it we could I could finish it and just say, hey, you had a panic attack, he's doing fine now, blah, blah, blah. And you go, no, I want to come in. Yep. I mean, if you're hearing this, I'm sure that you'll do some sort of intro to it, probably.

Yeah, I'm going to do an intro. Well, I've done one. Oh, really? No, I mean, I've done one if they're listening now. Okay. Well, of course, right. But if you want to go back and listen to it from the time that I come on and I start talking, I don't take back anything that I said.

I could hear in my voice that maybe I was a little low on patience, and maybe I was a little bit more, I wouldn't say defamatory, but direct, maybe slightly pottymouthed more than I would normally be, but the general elements of what I said, I don't take any issue with, but I could hear myself over the last three, four minutes of the raw file, I could hear my breathing start to become a little bit labored. yeah you could just sense that like something was i was and i was starting to sweat you were sweating you go hey are you sweating is it hot in here that if you rewind you could hear more of the more the stuff and it wasn't hot it might maybe a little stuffy and i tried to get that fucking door up but i just had it stained the guy stained the fucking door out there so i couldn't get it open and i think i was getting anxiety you're like all right you know what i'm gonna fucking go i think it was all these things this culmination of uh of all these things that were happening but dude you look you power through as much as you could and the fact that you're here i think that what this says is

Like, this is how many weeks later? Three weeks later? Two weeks later? But it's the B side of a very important break. Very important break. And the month of January for me is just very, very different than what I felt like mid-November through basically a couple of days after I came on with you going away. That stretch of time, that was really weird. I took real stock in the fact that I was taking a break.

and that I really needed to and that I was going to enjoy my holiday. But I've been looking forward to January more than I was even the break. Really? For sure. Yeah. Just starting something new, being refreshed. Yeah, I'm taking my kid to camp this week, and I'm training for heels. And did you ever worry?

Did you ever think, first of all, aren't you lucky that maybe this didn't have? happened on set like it happened after it was all done do you think if that would have happened on set like you're like what would you have done if you started getting these panic attacks and you couldn't rest because you're working because you told me something i think in the beginning which we'd have to go you said something like i don't think i've ever i really slept in the last eight yeah i said i said i said that basically over the past eight years i've missed a good like a good hour's sleep excuse me a good year a good year out of the eight i've probably missed a year because like i said it's it's it's five o'clock on set it's seven o'clock on a plane

You go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go. And then, you know, I had incidents like this. My typical Christmas break was I get off, have a bunch of drinks with friends, something like that, something like that for like two, three days. If I'm not going straight away, and then I have this lull on the Christmas break where I sleep and I relax and then I get excited to go back to work. But invariably, you know, back in the day, there was this crash at the end of the season, but then starting after season three of eight, there was no break. In between

three and four, I went straight to turtles, and I shot at the entirety of the break. And in between four and five, I promoted turtles. And then in between five and six, I went away for a little bit, but then we shot all of code eight. And in between six and seven, I went away, like on this beautiful trip but then came back and shot code 8 and went right back to work and there's just no break just no break you're not taking care of yourself i mean you're working out i'm just not taking a break i think stopping working out was a real big contributing factor because there's there's got to be a there's if there's going to be a ying there's got to be a yang you can't just be the ying you know what i mean like i used to take real solace in getting a

on a treadmill or getting out on the road and running hard for 40 minutes, 50 minutes, 60 minutes, 90 minutes. And you weren't doing that for how long before you had this panic attack? I hadn't been doing it for the better part of a year. When I had that wrestling match, I fractured my hip and all of a sudden I was back being very physical on the show, but I wasn't really doing anything outside of the gym. and then you know and then that becomes and then you know October becomes November and November becomes December and then all of a sudden I don't really need to be shirtless on the show so fuck it so fuck it and then you know I'm going what did I even do you know we had this big long round the world trip planned you know I was exercising a little bit maybe I think just to just very sporadically but being active and going out

hiking and stuff like that. And then my wife had a, had a, uh, a, uh, a, uh, Vespa accident when we were in Mallorca and we had to cut the trip short. And, you know, all of a sudden it just, that wasn't, uh, that wasn't a root cause for not exercising, but, you know, there was a lot of issues going back for season eight for me just because I thought that seven was the logical conclusion. You were done. Let's just face it.

I was done. And you were kind of ready to move on. And then you couldn't move on. I was ready to move on. And then you, I got the proverbial offer that I, that I couldn't refuse. The wrestling show. No, no, for season eight of Arrow. Oh, that one.

Yeah, yeah. Right? Because they, they say, all right, well, all right, you want to be done at season seven? Okay, well, you're going to have to shoot 22 episodes with us. And that was more than you'd ever shot? No, we don't, no, we shot 23 for the first six seasons. But they're like, you're going to, you know, we didn't actually know we're going to do 22 for season seven. But they're like, well, you know, you're going to have to do 203.

22 with us, which is July through April. So are you really telling us that you want to do 22 at price X and finish in April and not do 32 at this price and be done in October? That doesn't make any sense, right? Because if you're renegotiating, they change your episodic fee. And I looked at it and they literally put me in a position. They put me in a position. They put me in a position nobody put me in any position it would have been fiscally irresponsible for me to say no right just just physically irresponsible so and i loved the shit out of season eight i had a blast but i was there for the money right more so than i had ever love and money love and money but certainly money you put your kids through your kid through school i don't regret the choice i think i think

that i feel like everyone makes the same choice i think i think that i feel like everyone makes the same choice I worked out with Welling today, and he was telling me that... Welling just told me he doesn't want to go see Ambrosia with me on Saturday. Really? You know Ambrosia? No. That's how much I feel. I feel for you, baby.

Seventies, man. But you can understand why. But I love that man. Anyway... He's in good shape. Welling's getting good shape. Got in good shape for the wedding. Yeah.

And I keep telling him, I go, wow, you look really good. He does. He's a big dude. He's a big dude. He's a super superhero style. Yeah, he is a big guy. But he was telling me that he felt a certain way after season seven and

that there was a lot of him that was ready to be done. That's because I left. He fucking missed the fuck out of me, dude. But then he said once I got over that hurdle and I did season eight, he goes season eight, season nine, season ten, I had a blast. And I had a blast during season eight, but there was

a part of me and it certainly wasn't all money because I didn't negotiate with Warner Brothers at all for season eight. They just kept coming back with different offers. Not necessarily monetary offers. Um, mostly monetary, but also it was Greg Berlanti that sort of, like, came with the, the lifestyle offer of, what if such a thing as a half season existed for you, which wasn't to say that the show was going to do a half season, but what if you just did a half season? And it was like, well, yeah, because I wanted to go on a trip with my family, but then the moment that I stepped back on set, I just, there was just, there was just, Just a part of me that was like, you just stayed a little, just a little too long, just a little.

Do you think, does it ever concern you that you'll have another panic attack or do you feel like, you know what, now I know what to do? I've learned my lesson. I learned how to disconnect and learn how to take a break. I learn how to say no in a certain way. I learn how to, you know, maybe it's working out more. Maybe it's a combination of a lot of things. But do you think, does that fear ever cross your mind like, hey, I didn't like this feeling?

Or do you just feel like, hey, my mind knows that. that this, there was nothing physically wrong with me. And that's important, by the way. Yeah. Because I had a doctor tell me this. Actually, it was a therapist. Therapist goes, when you're having a panic attack, here's what you do. Ask yourself, is there anything wrong with me?

Is there anything wrong with my heart? No, I have my heart checked. I have a great heart. Yeah. Is there anything wrong with your liver? Liver, whatever. No, you just got tested for everything, right? So you know what this is.

This is in your mind. So what do you think you need? Well, you probably should, there's a lot of things. There's a lot of things to prevent anxiety, right? So don't be drinking a lot of caffeine, especially. you know, late in the day, uh, you know, make sure you get sleep, working out, diet. There's all these things that add, don't you think those. Alcohol, drugs, anything that you do that alters your mind, I don't worry about it as much

because retrospectively, this was not a situation where I came over and because I didn't like the furniture set up in your room. And it's actually true that I was like, I couldn't get, right now, I'm very comfortable and not just because I'm feeling better. Change the room around. But you changed the room around, and I felt like I was constantly worried about leaning forward to get to the mic, but then I was tired and I felt like I was sitting weird. My point being is that this panic attack did not hit me when I was sitting in this room. This panic attack was in the fucking mail, right? It was it was in evidence when I was really dragging myself around the day before, and it was in evidence when I tried to cancel going to the doctor that day and couldn't pick myself up.

up off the ground. And it was in evidence when, you know, everything in my mind told me not to come over and do the podcast, but my brain wasn't functioning properly. And I was still on the mindset of I can't let people down. I always, that's my whole thing. I always think I'm going to let people down. So I always got to keep doing stuff. Did you, by the way, I want to talk about that for a second. But did you go, did you do what your wife asked? Did you go see someone? I haven't, we haven't spoken with anyone. I think you're saying we haven't spoken. We're in a fight. We're divorced.

I haven't spoken with anyone professionally. That's something that we utilized when we were up in Vancouver, and we've actually spoken with a couple of friends of ours who had some really great recommendations for both when we're down here and when I'm off in Atlanta shooting. But just we found it incredibly helpful. Sometimes we would sit in there. She would talk for 80 minutes.

and I would just sit there and listen, or I would talk for 80 minutes, and she would just sit there and listen. And sometimes we talk about our relationship, and sometimes we talk about other people. Right. But we're going to get back into that, but... You think that helps? It does help. Although I don't know that it relates to the panic attacks. I think that it's more in pursuit of a better relationship for us.

I would like to, I think that I would be well served to have someone. one that I can do a mental check-in since I can't come on your podcast every four weeks. That's true. Well, you could. Actually, I told Welling today, I'm like, I'm going over to Rosenbaum's house today.

He goes, oh, yeah. I go, yeah, I had a, I did his podcast before the break and I had a fucking panic attack right in the middle of it. He goes, no, he didn't. He said, yeah, I did. He goes, there are worse places to have it. Right? Yeah.

But you know what the reality is, it's, I was just like, hey, I was worried about you. I was like, I know you're going to get through this. You know, you're going to power through it. I didn't want to hear. I didn't want to hear that at the time, but I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't think I said, did I say that? Well, you said like, but this before it happened, you're, you know, but I was clearly, you know, but I was pretty panic attack.

No, I thought I was pretty forthcoming that I was having a difficult time. I loved it. I was so shocked. Really? That you said, you know, I'm going to go. You could have just left the day. that, you know, I'm going to go. I'm not feeling well. Then you go, no, I'm having a panic attack. Again, I think that it's just like seeing you go through this and now that we see what you're

doing to prevent it and knowing that, you know, people move ahead. And also the place that you had it in, that's a key. Like I always hear like, you know, from therapists, they'll say, if you have a panic attack and you run, right, it's important for you to face the place where you had it. Yeah. And you came back. And you might be like, you know, I had a panic attack out of there. I don't want to go back. I don't know. I've had that situation where I'm like, oh my God, I had it here.

I don't, you know, if you have it on set and you run off, then you're like, fuck, and every time you go on set, you're going to get anxiety. Well, supposedly. I mean, I dealt with one towards the latter part of season seven of Arrow.

I can't, I can't remember what triggered it. Fatigue, I bet. Maybe fatigue. Sure. I got in touch with our first assistant director, and I was like, I'm not doing well physically right now. I'm having an issue with anxiety and I'm going to come into work, but I'm not great.

And he wasn't actually the first assistant director on set that day. But the other first assistant director, it was her first or second episode. And I didn't fucking know. I didn't know her. Right. Right. I liked her, but I didn't know her. Right.

So I had him just let all the, all the people know her. Because you didn't feel comfortable because you didn't know her. I didn't know her. Right. Period. And I got my work done that day. Uh, I asked to do my pieces of a fight that ended the day early. And I spent every possible moment that I could in my trailer, actually listening to the com app on the, uh, on the iPhone.

I love that app. Did it help you? Yeah, I've been using that too. Yeah, it does help. Yeah, just the, I've just been listening to the daily comm. which is just 10 minutes. I've been tracking my sleep, which is good. Just making sure that all that sucks good.

That can give you a little anxiety, though. Sure, I can see how that. I'm like, wait a minute. My heart rate was this. Right. Five hours. I mean, I guess you kind of know if you're sleeping well or not, right? You know, you wake up and you feel rested or you don't.

Or you know when you go to bed. I mean, I probably won't do that for much longer, but it's just nice to just get a track on things. But when it comes to facing something, the people, the people, people on the arrow set, I'm sure that knew that something was a miss. I was fine with my work that day. But you're probably, your disposition was a little bit off. My disposition was off. If people asked me how I was, I said, I'm not particularly great, but I'm okay.

But then at the end of the day, I thanked the crew for their, and the cast, for their thoughtfulness, for their understanding, for their patience. I let them know that I was having some issues with anxiety. And then I said, but I'll see tomorrow. and I'm sure that I'll be better and everyone you know I think people like sort of tepidly applauded which was not what I was looking for but well you're brave but I face I face that fear as opposed to thinking to myself that entire night those people are going to be wondering what the hell is wrong with me because I'm just a I'm just a moody actor up

until I tell them that I'm actually going through something like oh my God that's why he was yeah but at the same time there are crew members that are probably like yeah yeah you know who get panic attacks or the celebrities the actors yeah what's the matter buddy uh not enough gold-plated threads on your goddamn sheets brother brother let me tell you something though i know it sounds funny good on you that's brave i didn't do that i had anxiety attacks on impaster and instead of going to the crew and saying hey ladies and gentlemen i'm having a panic attack i me Who's so open, maybe more so since I've been doing this podcast because I didn't have a podcast when I was doing that I couldn't do that. I pretended everything was okay. I pretend that I had diarrhea. I pretend that I had, listen, man, I didn't tell one person except my assistant. Look, I'm having an anxiety tech. I don't know what to do. He's like, oh, what do you want me to do? I go nothing. I don't want anybody to know. Then all of a sudden, I'm not, they can't work with me. You know, I'm going to get, but that's not how it is. It's like you hit a wall. Well, listen, man, look, this is the great thing. podcast doesn't have to be long because we did the first half hour I got some time but I'm like look I'm excited for you and I didn't think you know the turnaround is like wow two weeks and look I don't think you're done doing things for yourself that's true disconnect to you know to keep that in check

it's not like oh that happened oh now I'm good and I'll forget about what happened I think that's in the back back back of your mind going hey I got to take care of myself yeah and I think I I give a whole lot of credit to, to my wife, who very bravely said, look, buddy, I need you to get better, right? Like, for a variety of reasons, okay? One of which is you owe it to yourself. Secondly, you owe it to our kid. And third, you fucking owe it to me.

If you think that you're at your best right now, then your fucking best isn't good enough. That's a tough thing to say. it's a really tough thing to say it's even tougher when the person doesn't want to hear it so I give her a lot of credit because she said that she said that stuff to me and you know

I think one of the biggest things is is you want to fix it immediately I know you want to snap your fingers and you want it all to be better and that's not the way that it works you got to you know I'm back in the gym right now

and I'm just eating shit every day humble pie like i'm going in there and i'm benching less than i benched when i was in 12th fucking grade going for football because guess what when you take a year off and you're in your late 30s shit goes away yeah i did you know that's why old guys hike their pants up above their button yeah and look i have a lot of faith that i'm going to snap back but i was in there today working out with a retired NFL player who's like 6-5 and C-70. You don't have to say his name. But he's, but he's, you would know, if you like football, you would, you would know of him.

I mean, he was pro-bowler. Right. I think his career got cut short by injuries a little bit, but like, he was like a player when at, at the height of his powers, he just, like, if you just said his last name, he'd be like, oh, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep. But he's, you know, I had to spar with him today. Not easy? No.

exhausted i am exhausted i've been going to bed at like seven 30 at night and getting up what time 615 630 wait a minute wait a minute that's 12 hours no close well i would well i'm not a mathematician but i can't sleep more than like fucking six or seven hours i just can't my mind's just too active i have to right now i have to although i'm i'm not not i'm not straight through sleeping and one of the things that i'm actually working on is is uh going to sleep with with uh with no sound because I've been listening to AirPods. I've been listening to podcasts that sort of help fall asleep. And then if I wake up, I'll just put something else on.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to, I got to work on that. I remember you said something, by the way, when you were having that, when we, you know, well, go ahead. You can cry. You guys, you know what? I've already cried twice today. That was last time, yeah.

I remember. I was like, wow, that's when I knew. It was right away. So that's, I cried twice today. I'm like, whoa, Stephen doesn't cry. I don't think Stephen cries But I think that's probably also the way of the world You feel like shit, you're tired

You don't know why you're disconnected You haven't disconnected And then at the same time you feel like You're letting your wife down You think you're letting the world down And all of a sudden, you know Everybody needs help. I want to help people

I want to be there for them And all of a sudden, who's there for me? Yeah, you got to take care of yourself first Like you said, you got stuff Yeah, I think that's true I think you just got to. Ryan, you take care of yourself, buddy? Yeah, sure.

He's a man of many words Isn't he, Stephen? Yeah. All right, look, man, I want to ask you some of these questions. I do this thing on Patreon, and it's just like, it's just 10 quick questions. Rapid fire, though. Hit me with it. Hit me with your best shot.

All right, this is easy. This is Jerry W. says, curious what your favorite role has been and why. Oliver Queen, because it changed my life. Simple. See, you are good at this. Jill E. How is it working on New Girl?

Really good. One of the most exciting days of my entire career is I worked on private practice and New Girl at the same day. started on New Girl, went to private practice, went back to New Girl. I was just holding on at that point, just trying to blend in. But ironically, one of my first days on set, I have to bust into a party asking everyone if I've just pissed my pants. So I had to be pretty outsized. And, you know, I'm in there with Max Greenfeld and Zoe and Hannah and, you know, Jake,

all these, all these, like Ryan Quentin, he's on True Blood. he was the bigger he was the bigger guest star in that it doesn't matter kw a n t-e-n however you pronounce that he's an australian guy really good actor and i was just trying to hang on but that experience was uh really cool trisha how was it working with tom and michael on that's me a knocking point it's been good i've enjoyed it so far although i haven't been around as much welling thanked me today said you guys were going to do some uh social media stuff for it i like how you switched around yeah i'm the pure he's the evil this time that's right much better Yeah, it was good.

It was one of your biggest sellers last year, you know that? It was. Yeah, thanks for inviting us to that. You're welcome. Tricia B, what was it like taking a role so shortly after the final episode of Arrow? Don't know yet. Yeah, you don't. Get back to me in like mid-March.

Trevor asked if you could choose any duo's costume for Halloween with Rosenbaum, what would you choose? Well, my wife and I have already gone as Franks and Beans, which is my favorite. Franks and Beans. As we were taking a photo. This girl comes up to us and is like, are you guys dressed as Franks and Beans? Like, yeah, absolutely. And she goes, you've got to come and meet my dad and his brother.

Oh, my God. And they took us right to the Fairley brothers. And one of the reasons that I'm, one of the reasons that I'm wearing the Franks and Bean's costume or Frank and Beans is because I'm such a fan of the Fairleys. Oh, yeah. Like I'm a huge fan of the Fairly. And, yeah, so we had a nice chat with them.

But what, I don't know, what would we do? Ren and Stimpy, Laurel and Hardy. Oh, God, you know what would be great is if we should go as Jamie and Circy Lanister, hold hands in the red carpet? Can I be Jamie? No, I want to be Circe. Hey, let's go as Billy Bob Thornton and Angelina Jolie back when they were a couple. I'm in.

Thanks, Trevor S for that. A lot of options. Nico P., what scene do you remember that took the longest to film because people kept laughing? Oh, probably just the scene in the bunker, you know, just something where you get to the end of the day. I don't know, nothing in particular comes to mind, but just something. You just probably fatigue it. You get to the end of the day and it's, you know, I didn't used to have a trick for it. And then I would just think to myself, I am actively taking away time that I spend with my family because I can't get my shit together.

and then I would probably, I would usually stop laughing. But a good laugh is nice. A good laugh is really nice. Nicole Vee, in playing Oliver Queen for eight seasons, what did you learn about him that surprised you most and how did it affect how you portrayed him? I don't know if I learned something about Oliver Queen per se as he's a character that obviously has some comic book,

obviously has some comic book origins, but was largely the creation of the creative team and my creation on Arrow, just because it was a very different version of the character. I think I learned a lot about how a character, any character, can grow and change over the course of time. I like it to more. Robert B. in your career,

what do you see as your biggest waste of money? Biggest waste of money? And that could be taken anyway. I mean, in your career, what do you see as your biggest waste of money? I mean, is that like, it doesn't cost to be an actor in the beginning. I mean, or is he talking about, you know, you bought something during your career.

I mean, in my career, I don't know in my career. Like I bought a van. I still have the van. I don't give a fuck. It was the best purchase ever. That's what he's talking about. I think the stupidest purchase I've ever made was when I had a Chevy Cavalier Z-24 in like 1999. And I thought it needed a cooler stereo.

What the fuck? Who needs a subwoofer and a Chevy Cavalier? That's because you can go down the street just banging it too short. I remember how it all began. Dionne K, our crossover's fun for you to shoot. Be honest. No. They're not.

They're brutal, aren't they? No, they're not brutal. You just can't... They come out great. The fans love them. I always think of what we leave on the table because we try and shoot something really extraordinary. Overwhelming.

And with this amazing scope. within the confines of our typical schedule. It's never made any sense to me. It's just so frustrating. It's so hard and exhausting to accomplish. In the first episode of the crossover that has already aired, my character dies.

Now, he comes back as this different DC character, which plays in part four of the crossover, or part four and five of the crossover. But my character's dying in episode one, and he's dying on a gurn. in the in the arrow bunker you know where you laughed part of me is that where you laughed you said in the bunker well yeah you love we laughed in the bunker this is not so much of a laughing okay yeah yeah but some of my lines my lines were to cat mac the merit katie lots and grant

and they were trying to rap katie and grant because they had hit their 13 hour mark right or whatever it was they were trying to rap katie and grant before i shot the coverage of the scene where I died. I blame no one for this. But this is a scene with me from Arrow that's taking place on Supergirl with a supergirl crew with demands on both Grant and Katie Lott's who are on Flash and Legends, who are on a different schedule than the crossover because they're shooting different shit and they're trying to pull them so that they don't Flash and Legends,

mess up their day the next day. Meanwhile, the fucking green arrow was laying on a gurney trying to deliver his lines to something other than a fucking tennis ball. So, you know, there are lots of scenes where, you know, I'm acting and there just aren't other actors there. And that's just not an acceptable way of creating the best product from my perspective. And I think that it is a little bit disrespectful to the actors and their process, speaking personally, other actors might not give a shit, right? But for that moment and that scene, you, that's important. But for that moment and for that scene, I mean, I'm trying to think of what the more

important scenes are, right? And it's not just because it involves my character or my character's death, but. I mean, how hard is it to not prioritize that? You know what? First of all, Dion K, I appreciate your question. Yeah. They come out great. They come out great.

I'm glad that we do that. They're not the most fun to shoot. TNK, I also thank you for starting another panic attack for Stephen. So thank you. We got you a little present. I saw that. I told you, this is a massage. She's my girl, Anastasia.

She's amazing. And I got one for you. And I want you to use her because she'll come right to you. She lives around the corner and she's brilliant. Okay. She's not weird or anything. You'll love her. You'll probably start using her.

But that's on me. No tip, nothing. It's all taken care of. Okay. And I just think that you need that. I think massage in your life is going to add. Do you get massage? I do.

I love massage. It's very important, I think it's very important. Whenever my wife and I go to a nice hotel or like the fours, we love the, we love any four seasons anywhere, just because you know what you're getting. Yeah. You know, like, four seasons. You just know what you're getting. And the, like, the quality of service is just great. But we always, yeah, massages and couples massages.

whenever possible. That's neat. I'd fart if she was there. I worry about... Farting? No, I worry about snoring. Oh, that happens where you wake up. You're, I'm sorry.

I know, I always... But they're used to it. I don't know they're used to it, but I don't think that my wife falls asleep during the massage. So she would hear it all she'd laugh at you. I always fall asleep during the massage, which is odd because she's getting the Swedish

or the floral or she's getting stones put on her or something like that. And I've got, I've got a, I've got a woman with her elbow deep in my back and just driving shit out of it. And you're asleep with that? I fall asleep to that. Jesus Christ, you, I'm weird. I'm sadistic. Dude, lastly, heels, you're going to be shooting that soon.

You're getting prepared for it. You know, I don't really want to act unless it's something I want to do or I'm producing or I'm working on or I really just love it. I'm like, oh, there's an element of fun. But that when you said that, I kept thinking of the movie, the wrestler, man, like that, that movie was just a brilliant. movie. I don't know what this is going to be, and I'm hoping it's gritty and a little dark and a little, you know, not as... It's all those things. There's a gritty element to it just because there's a grungy element to the... Wrestling world. Well, not just that, but to the independent wrestling world. I mean, we're not, we're not, if our promotion comes through town, we're not going to the fucking staple center. We're not going to the forum. We're going to a, to a shitty... So that element of it, you know, there's sort of the smoke-filled arenas, like, back in the day. But, At its heart, it's about a, you know, it's about a family, and it's about the characters

that populate the independent wrestling scene. And when I say characters, I mean, like, these people are characters. You know what I mean? You have to be a little, and to all my friends that are in the business, I, you know, I don't take this back. You've got to be a little crazy to be a professional wrestling. I think you got to be a little crazy to be an actor. I think you got a little bit, but definitely like,

yeah well look man it sounds look i'd watch this even if you weren't in it sounds really cool and if there is a cool part that they haven't cast something you know your buddy rosenbaum listen the only reason i said i wouldn't say it but it sounds like something i'd like so if there's something even if it's a cool little character part or whatever i can go stash you know grow stash are you gonna wrestle well no i wouldn't wrestle wouldn't be a good idea i don't think your neck is uh no no no and i wouldn't want to get that big but i could easily be somebody's brother or a manager or some guy who drives a pickup truck who's like, into you.

There's a lot of things I could do. Put the character and fun, something like that. Some that works like two days a week. And you're like, oh, yeah, it's easy, man. Sure, but... Yeah, no, no, sure. Two days a week, except it's going to be... Those two days, it's going to be first up Monday morning

and last up Friday night. So what? I'll do it. But it sounds fun, so keep that in mind. Have you ever shot in Georgia? Yeah, yeah. I did a week for Guardians 2 there, and I shot I think, no, did I shoot this

Bruce Willis thing, this independent movie I did? No, no, just Guardians, I think, there. I, um... Not a lot, I mean, I grew up like five hours from there, like in Indiana, if you drive up six hours, yeah. But I know that area. I found my apartment there, and they, I mean, I was going to get it anyway, but they pitched it to me

that there was a guy doing a Marvel show there right now. Like, that fucking matters to me. I don't know who, I don't know who it is. Oh, really? Oh, I'll stay there. I'll take it. That guy's doing it. Anyway, also, you know, I definitely, I think it'd be fun to work with you.

You look like somebody would just be a good time to work with. I think we'd have fun. I like having a good time when I work. Yeah, me too, me too. I don't care about being the lead. I never get, and I'm not the lead often, but I never really, I want to go and have fun. I want to have a good time on set. When people are looking to have fun and get the work done and be the best they could be

and be supported, that's the best thing in the world to be a part of. You know, what it comes to heels, I was the first person, and I think I'll be the first person in the credits, but that show's only going to work. If everyone works. If everyone works and it's an ensemble, if we don't get some, it's going to be tough for us to,

to sort of find a niche in the marketplace if we don't get some characters that really pop. Like, do you watch Succession? Succession. I heard to watch that. Do you watch that, Ryan? I've seen a couple episodes. Is it good?

Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, it's like, you know, they've got great characters And the leads on that show are great. But if you don't have a cousin Greg who just comes out and pops and it's just constantly funny and it's saying the lines that people are quoting at the water cooler the next day, if that's actually still an expression, I think people still know what it means, but I think there's watercoolers anymore. If you don't have those characters. And we've got a couple of the mid-card wrestlers that should really pop. Really?

Yeah. Oh, that's good. hopefully it sounds like fun man very colorful yeah well i'm excited uh look this has been great thank you for coming back especially after you know the first half this is the first time i've ever like had to have someone come back finish and we can kind of go talk about what that what it happened so it's going to be interesting yeah i'm honored and uh you live down the street i live here i live you're now a member of where i'm a member we won't talk about that but we can go there and hang out some time yeah you know it's right around the corner we've got pacha i saw you there once

Pasha. I like Pasha. It's a nice restaurant. And also when you're coming back. You said you wouldn't do another podcast before mine when you're done with Heels so we could talk about it. I don't know if I said, I mean, I'll do one in between now and then. But when it comes time to... No, no, no. I just said when the show comes out. When it comes time to promote heels, I'll come back. Yeah. So keep growing your... Keep growing your subscriber face. How do you measure... I'm curious about this. Like, no, no, no, no. When you do a, when you do a podcast, do these various platforms, are they pretty good at reporting back to you, like... Well, you have a platform you could check out, you know, I could look every day of like our numbers, how we're growing, what we did this month, which each guest does.

So it's very important to, you know, to get people to subscribe, to listen to. And it's also hard because, you know, I'm not a huge star, but, you know, your guests. If you have a good guest, somebody that people want to listen to. And then if they like the guests, you're hoping, then they start liking you. And then people start listening and going, hey, I can't wait to hear what Rosenbaum's going to say or ask. or what he's going to get out of this guest or what I'm going to get out of this guest. Yeah, I mean, I listen to The Daily, because I like the way that Michael Barbaro is able to talk about complex subjects, but asks the questions that I think, you know. No one wants to ask.

Well, not that no one wants to ask. Actually, he asks the question that people that are probably his level of intelligence think are beneath them, right? But he understands something complex, like, I don't know shit about Syria. I didn't know anything about Syria. But when he does a podcast that's 25 minutes long that talks about the basis for said conflict in Syria and why it might be problematic for the United States to just pull their troops out of there, I feel like I walk away going, oh, I know something. So I listen to it for him in the way that he goes about a subject as opposed to just listening to it because I'm interested in current events. I hear that. Yes, I was actually listening to that.

I think for me, it's more like, you know, what can I do? What do I offer? I think what I offer is sheer panic. Sure panic. I think what people want is like they go to late night. They see late night television and it's just like, oh, Stephen Amel, on Arrow. And you make a few jokes and you go away and you're in your suit and you're nice. Yeah.

But when they can get inside somebody and go, hey, this is like a real conversation between two human beings. It's not like, oh, he's a big actor. And the more people open up, the more people talk about their life and their shit, it just, I think it helps. I think it helps the world. I think it's, you know, you know, otherwise, if there was, if you weren't on this, no one would know about your panic attack. No one would know, oh, they would think he's inestructible. Look at it. He's a real life superhero. He doesn't have problems. And I think it helps normalize that. And I've said that a million times. What was the name of the guy that you brought up that's a friend of yours that had done background work on Arrow? That, Troy. Troy. Yeah. Troy. I mean, you know, that's, I know that you thought that maybe I got stuck on that to sort of Bring it back to the beginning of the podcast that we did last year. But two weeks ago. Well, sure. But last year.

But it actually makes me pretty happy that somebody like Troy might have thought that I was a dink and then listens to the podcast. And it helps, it helps change an opinion. I'm not out. I'm not out to change opinions. But I don't understand how anything but the long form conversation is what people want to hear now. Right? I just want to, you get to know you. You listen.

Dan Cook, I think I talked about, I don't know, a prime example. Many people, oh, that guy's, it's kind of an asshole. All right, yeah, that guy's this. Is he? How do you know? He's not. Of course.

I had him on the podcast. I talked to him for now. We talked about this stuff. And afterwards, I know all my listeners were immediately, like, love this guy. Yep. He's a great guy. Because you don't know anyone. So when Troy is on set and he hears, oh, well, this is happening.

Why? Because he didn't pay extra attention to someone or he didn't. Yeah. He wasn't. Oh, he looked like. like he was intense on set, maybe he was preparing for the world. There's so many variables

that you just cannot judge anyone. You don't know what they're going through. You know, I mean, Ryan could have, when you walked out, going, God, that guy's a fucking mess. It sounds like Ryan was really despondent. Well, I just don't think he's ever experienced stuff like that. That's why when I ask him questions,

he gives me three words or a couple of multiscerable. I'm monitoring levels. Lay off. It'd be weird. I've never been in the presence of someone that sort of went through what I went through. but I imagine that that would have been a weird thing and a slightly stressful thing to see.

I thank God that I knew what was going on. For some reason, I don't know what it is, but I don't freak out when people have shit going on. For some reason, there's something in my mind or my brain. Maybe it's my gift. Seriously, this is my saying, maybe sounds like I'm a godlike person and I'm fucking not. All I'm saying is maybe that was my gift

to sort of like when someone's freaking out or pukes all over a floor or I go into emergency mode and calm the person down mode and I just want to help somebody. Yeah. I just, I don't know what it is. Someone's crying.

I'm like, hey, what's going on? I don't want to be like, oh, my God. Oh, I never, that guy who's going to look like they're freaking out, appear to be freaking out. I am there, honestly, because I think I can help you. That's how I feel. That probably feels pretty good.

It does. It feels good. I felt like, hey, you know, he's leaving. He's getting up. He's made a decision. But I'm like, hey, I'm cool with that. I just wanted to be safe. I want to be better.

You followed up, you made sure I got home, texted my wife. You know, didn't know you had a number, but whatever. Yeah, that's something we could talk about after. Dude, I love you. That's it. Let's take some pictures and get out of here. All right, man. Thanks for having me back.

Thanks, Steve. All right, buddy. Well, there you have it. That was Stephen Amel. Stephen, again, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for coming in. This is the kind of stuff that I want to talk about. This is the kind of stuff that is real. And I can't say it enough that do kudos.

He could have easily said fuck off I don't want to do it I'll do it when I feel better Don't air any of this and that would have been fine But I'm glad that he chose to allow you to hear It made me feel like holy shit I just wish I would have spoken up sooner If this podcast was out before I was doing him pastor

I would have probably been more vulnerable And more open to allowing people into my feelings And in my mind But you do feel like God I'm a producer on this show I'm the lead you don't want people to think you're not strong isn't that stupid isn't it okay to to not be strong sometimes it okay to just be vulnerable and let things happen and just kind of give yourself a

break totally it is you saw me were you at thanksgiving i was not you were not yeah i had a break down in front of my friends because my grandpa passed away on thanksgiving and i remember everybody went around and said thanks for everything and I of course they ended with me and I couldn't keep my shit together and I really tried that I don't cry in front of people I really do not cry I'm starting to say you know what fuck it if I feel emotional if something hits me I'm gonna cry for a second I'm gonna let it out I think it's important and I cried I looked up and there's everyone else was crying which helped me and I think it's nice I think it's it's important just be honest with yourself and honest with everyone else like hey you know I'm not comfortable right now I'm

trying to act like nothing's going on but I'm having a panic attack and I don't know what to do maybe there's a doctor that could help me maybe someone else here has an idea but get me through this and then there's not that weight on you that you have to you know you have to go back and finish the scene you're like hey let's do it in pieces and are you okay now let's let's just work this out together and okay is it embarrassing no it's not it shouldn't be it's it's like hey this is life let's uh help our fellow man out hey I want to give a shout out to these patrons these beautiful patrons, they, uh, they put a lot of money into, uh, Patreon. And, um, I really fucking appreciate it. Leah S. Barry I. Dion K. Lauren G. Jill E. Robert B. Jason W. Angelina G. Kevin R. Trisha. Nancy.

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