Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Supernatural's MISHA COLLINS: Give Yourself Space

Episode Date: March 22, 2022

Misha Collins (Supernatural, Roadfood) joins us in the studio this week to share his experience growing up with adversity and having to learn to be comfortable fitting ‘inside of you’ and not giving concern to standing out. Misha goes on to talk about his experience shooting PBS’ Roadfood and the different life wisdom he was able to draw from that time simply from slowing down, in comparison to the go-go-go schedule he had to keep up with Supernatural. We also talk about his relationship with Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki, the fake manufactured drama some fans project, and his experience with anxiety attacks on set. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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How are you today? I thank you for choosing our podcast, the little little podcast to start your week. Or maybe it's the end of your week and you're listening to it. I really don't know. But I really appreciate you taking the time out to listen. And I know some people are here from Misha Collins. And I hope that after the episode, you're like, you know, I dug that. I want to stick around.

I'm going to subscribe to this guy's podcast. Give it a chance. Because I think a lot of times people come Ryan for the game. guest. Yeah, I would say that's true for a lot of podcasts. Yeah, I'm here to listen to Misha Collins, not Michael Rosenbaum, which is fair. But maybe he's a gateway drug for a lot of people to get into the podcast. There you go. Yeah. I agree. I just did an audition and I'm still talking like that. I don't know. You know, if you want to follow us, you could follow us on Twitter at Inside of You at Inside You pod and Instagram and Facebook at At Inside You podcast. I appreciate it. You

to write reviews on Spotify, Apple, wherever. Watch the episode on YouTube, if you like. You can watch the entire episode. We also have clips and things like that. So I appreciate you doing that and appreciate you supporting the podcast today. Ryan, have a good week? Yeah, yeah. You're busy this week.

I'm busy this week. I got a lot of things going on this week. In fact, I'm supposed to interview Jared Padalucky, and I've got to figure out who's going to be my engineer for that. I know. I cannot be here for it. cannot be here for it so hopefully we'll get jason my sweet editor to uh to be part of that if he has time you know because jared's a busy guy if we don't get him we may not get him again for a while

hopefully doesn't flake well he's not really a flake i mean he hasn't flaked on me before uh what else if you want to go to the inside of you online store you can get great merch like autographed lunch small the lunch boxes from me and tom and we autographed those or just an autograph lunchbox for me autographs scripts sign pictures mugs tumblers shirts so many so much great stuff on the uh inside of you online store and also if you want to go to sunspin.com that's my band it's called sunspin sunspin.com you can get band merch you could book me for a zoom if you want to zoom with me i'm also on the cameo and uh yes uh that's that's really about it misha collins is the guest today uh we talk about a lot of stuff we uh you know he's just a he's a really good guy

it was nice having him here in the studio was wasn't it nice it's just so much nicer when i had jensen here i had misha and he's got a good he's got a good microphone voice too he does he's kind of really infectious rich it's rich it's deep it's gravely it is it's accented and people love this guy yeah people love misha i think he's got a heart of gold too and uh you know let's just do it let's uh i'm reminding you now to after the podcast is over uh please subscribe and do all that stuff if you're here from misha also join patreon patreon dot com slash inside of you you could join patron become a patron and support the podcast in other ways the podcast need your help so if you want to become a patron i always message you after you become a patron i've sent

the message saying thank you so go to patreon p a t r e o n dot com slash inside of you and without further to do let's get inside of misha collins it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. You know, Misha, I always feel like the guest is going to get up and walk out. I might get up and walk out at any moment. Please don't. I always feel it.

It's nice to see you in person. It is nice to see you in person as well. The last time we did this, it was a Zoom. It was a virtual experience. Yeah, and don't you feel like those are kind of not, they're impersonal, or just, you feel like there's not as much of a connection. Yeah, it's nice. You get to shield yourself from actually being known by the other person.

In this industry, it's always like, what are you doing? And people are like, oh, I'm doing this. And I got this script going on. And I got, you know, and I got this one show. And I'm doing a food show. And I'm doing, you've got all these things going on. But there's something really brave and cool to just go, I don't have shit going on right now. I'm taking care of me.

I'm taking care of myself. I want to get, I want to feel good because I read somewhere that, you know, towards the end of supernatural, like you hit a fucking wall. Like, you know, to quote you, it was something like you were deeply fried. I don't know if you said that.

But, and the net effect of that was that you were really, you weren't really loving anything, dreading everything. Is this true? I don't know about dreading everything. But I was, I mean,

I think the colloquial term is burnt out. It was we were doing a breakneck schedule of fan conventions and shooting on supernatural. And I was living in Washington State and driving across the border. So my commute was, you know, some mornings, it was an hour and a half in the car just to get to work. And then I'd be driving home at three o'clock in the morning, you know, and crossing the border. And I was exhausted. I was also, you know, running a nonprofit and or not running a nonprofit, but I was, you know, board president of a nonprofit that I had started and I was, you know, doing these scavenger hunts and the cons and the conventions and, uh, and other, you know, businesses and

working on writing projects. I had so much work that I was doing that I, uh, that it became difficult to enjoy any of the work, if I'm being honest. Like I didn't have, I, I wasn't well resourced enough to be happy at that point. And it just wasn't sustainable. But at the same time, I definitely was running on the fumes to an extent. And the cortisol kept me going. And I think that that even has an addictive property. At least it does for me. Like working, you know, they call it workaholism for a reason. Are you a workaholic? I can be. I can get into a pattern of if I don't know what to do with myself, I'll work, and that can be a treadmill that's hard to get off of for me at times. So, yeah. Yeah, that's tough. I remember doing Smallville and I remember just

being absolutely exhausted by episode like 19 of 23 or 20, whatever episodes we did. And we drove ourselves for quite some time. And as did you, you guys drove yourselves. But I remember one location was over an hour away. It was always raining. Jared and Jensen never drove themselves. They never did. They always had drivers. Could you have had a driver?

Or they just weren't going to give you a driver? They weren't going to give me a driver. After 12 years, after eight year, after five years. No, no, no, no. You know, it's funny, as soon as you become a regular. The son of a bitch, they should have stuck up for you. As soon as you become a regular, you lose your driver. It's kind of ironic.

Right. Guest stars get drivers, but. But it was a good thing you would take that exchange. Yeah, for sure. I mean, but. But I remember driving and with one eye close. And I was just really depressed. I was just down.

And not to knock Canada. I love Canada. I love Canadians. I love Vancouver. But Vancouver rains a lot and it gets depressing. And I remember there's one time I'm just listening to this depressing song. And I felt like Chris Farley. Like I was like, I'm going to drive the goddamn car off the road.

I just felt like I really was, I had to pull over and just like get my bearings because I was really like just physically and emotionally. exhausted. I was done. And I was there two hours before everybody shaved in the head. I just remember that one time going, holy shit, dude, you've lost your mind. You're going to be one of those actors that they write about, not for very long, just for like maybe the day. That's the thing on Twitter. Someone dies, unfortunately. And it's just like, oh, my God, and then the next day or, you know, what the fuck is that? Where was I going with this? But you were burn out. You were burned out. No, no, I mean, I think that that is, you know, it's funny. I mean, it's not funny. It is a, you know, everyone says,

because it's not as glamorous as you think or whatever. There are so many aspects of the job working as an actor that are amazing. Amazing. And there's so many like pinch me moments, right? Where you can't believe the good fortune that you have. And you also have to remind yourself to be grateful for the good fortune that you have.

But the fact of the matter is you also are quite often working until 3 o'clock in the morning or 4 o'clock in the morning and then driving yourself home or what we would do often is work until three o'clock in the morning on a Friday and drive to the airport and just wait for the 6 a.m. flight to get to the East Coast to do a convention and it was like you're not your body doesn't your body can't keep up with that. And the older you get, you can do it when you're in your 20s, early 30s. You start to hit your 40s, late 40s like me. I'm almost 50. It's amazing how those things just your body goes, no way.

No, thank you. No, I'm not doing that. you're not doing that you're not getting on another plane and you have to listen to your body because with me i just know that if i'm exhausted or emotionally i mean that's when the anxiety kicks in and there's nothing worse than having anxiety on attack on set have you ever had an anxiety attack on set no what's that like fuck have you have you have you had like where where it it debilitated you or debilitating i was i was the lead on this series short-lived show last a couple seasons called him pastor and I remember being I remember doing a lot of pushups right before the take and I had to run across and talk to the uh this other pastor in the scene and I ran across

and I'm looking at him and my whole body started to get kind of numb and my heartbeat was kind of racing and I go I'm gonna have a heart attack I didn't say that I go and I was just I think I knew my line so well that nobody knew, but I was freaking the fuck out as I'm giving these lines. And it happened to be lunch after that take. And I thought, oh my God, what's going on? You know, hey, Troy, my assistant get a doctor. And Dr. Lim came on set. You know, oh, yeah, I love Dr. Lim. Dr. Lim. Oh, he was the best. And he came on and goes, Michael, I'm checking everything. Everything seems to be, have you ever had an anxiety attack that's a great dr limb impersonation does does dr limb know that you impersonate him i didn't even mean to i just tried he speaks so quietly and so comforting actually he is the the

antidote to a panic attack just that voice is very soothing so you know it could be um you could be having But hearing that was terrifying because we had about three episodes left. And I go, this is going to happen again. You're always anticipating it. And it did happen again in this final sequence. And I remember I was freaking out. I didn't want to tell anybody. It's embarrassing.

Oh, my God. I can't be doing this. I'm the lead actor. I can't have a panic attack. They're going to, you know. So I just go, hey, guys, I got to go to the bathroom. My stomachs bothered me. I got to really take a shit right now.

I think I've told this story. And the director's like, hey, can we just do one more take? and I go, I go, ah, I really need to go. And so I race to my trailer and I went in there and I'm like a drug addict looking for my Xanax, looking for the pills. Where are they? Just throwing everything away. Troy walks in the assistant and is like, you okay? I'm like, you know, I'm having a panic attack. I'm numb. I'm tingling in my arms and my legs. I'm just like, it was just sheer exhaustion. It was a combination of not sleeping stress and whatever. I don't know, being overwhelmed. And it just, it is a terrifying thing.

And I refuse to tell anybody. I think now I'm in a place where I would say, hey, guys, I'm having a little anxiety attack right now. I just want the crew to know. I'm hopefully going to get through it. But I like everybody to know, so it's not, what the fuck's wrong with Rosenbaum? This is what's wrong with him. I'm having anxiety attack and, you know, trying to erase a stigma and trying to show you that I'm a human being. And I've just, I'm overwhelmed right now.

So if ever, of course, that would freak everybody out more, right? He'd be like, oh, my God, he's lost his mind. So what do you do? What would you do in that situation? I, I mean, I think I've dealt with anxiety on set. I think I've dealt with anxiety in auditions and like tests situations that was pretty severe. And difficult to get through the work because of. But I've had, I had panic attacks probably about for a little stretch about about 20 years ago.

And it is almost impossible to describe because it is so overwhelming and it feels so physical. You feel like you're going to pass out. Well, I thought I was like you. I thought I was having a heart attack. I mean, it seems like something in your body is, something is radically wrong. It's not just like, I'm anxious, I'm nervous,

which, by the way, anxiety, when it's not a full-blown panic attack, can also be quite debilitating. But it feels visceral. It feels very, physical. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I, you calling out to the crew and letting them know that you need a moment reminds me of one of my early experiences with one of the worst directors. I was working on this movie that it was my first big role in an independent feature. This was almost

20 years ago. And the director was, he really didn't know what he was doing, but he thought that he was Scorsese and it was my first day on set and uh and he uh and we did one take and he comes up to me and he he had this really kind of creepy way of of talking to actors which is he would he would whisper conspiratorially in your ear as if what he was saying was shameful and so he comes up to me and he says ah um misha um are you all right you seem a little little eh and i was like what what you don't say that to an actor like after the first take on my first day on set so now i'm thinking oh god why i've come like i'm they're gonna fire me oh this is horrible who is this guy and uh and he says and i say yeah i think i'm okay and he's like

looks at me sort of side eye like are you sure and i said yeah and he said okay okay all right everyone we're going again and i said wait wait um larry can you just i'm sorry can you give me one second and he said sure and then he screams everyone quiet on the set misha needs a minute this is the worst director in the history of director it was this cavalcade of bad directing uh and this probably made you freak out even more of course it did yes so there i was in the middle of my first scene on having a little bit of a panic attack that was quite due in large part to the director's bad director inside of you is brought to you by quince i love quince ryan i've told you this before i got this awesome sixty dollar cashmere sweater i wear it religiously

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No, no, I'm being hyperbolic. But I, it does happen when I've been off for a while. Like when we would come back on Supernatural, when we'd come back from my hiatus and get back to work, I'd be like, shit, I forgot how to act. What am I doing? I mean, you know, between you and me, I never really knew how to act. But it was like, oh, this is even worse than usual. So, yeah, for sure. That's it.

Oh, man. Yeah, Ryan, you don't get panic attacks really, do you? No, I never had one. You never had. You don't want one. I don't want one. Well, just know that if you're having one, it's probably not a heart attack. It's probably a panic attack.

Yeah. You're going to, of course, have a heart attack and be like, yeah, it's just a panic attack. I don't need to go to the doctor. What arm is it, by the way? Burnt toast. Is it your closest to, yeah, burnt toast? You smell, no, that's a stroke, I think. Oh, yeah.

But isn't it like your left arm gets numb and your left arm, the one closest to your heart, right? I don't remember. I don't remember either. Yep. Supernatural was in 2021, top streaming programs acquired. It was number seven on all the fucking streamers. I read that stat. Criminal Minds was number one.

And I didn't realize anyone was watching that. I know. It's amazing. It's like a show that's two shows that no one really thinks about anymore. But Supernatural is a huge show. I mean, you said something one time that it's not a Hollywood darling. It's kind of under the radar. But it feels like every time I go on Twitter, even now that the show's over,

Supernatural's trending. One of you guys is trending. Right. Every fucking day. What is that about? Well, we are constantly trying to create controversy in order to stay relevant. Um, so I'm, we're, we're doing a convention in Texas this weekend and we all plan to be streaking downtown in Dallas, uh, just to get some notoriety on Twitter.

You're going to just get naked and do it. Um, uh, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think we've, you know, for whatever reason, we lucked into a really ardent fan base that just, uh, you know, being a supernatural fan, I think has become kind of an identity and, um, and how do you feel about that? well at times it feels amazing and at times it's kind of so strangely surreal that it's almost dissociative like i don't even know how to process it um i don't know yeah it's it's also one of those things that i've been you know it's it's been whatever 14 years now so i'm a bit inured to it it just feels normal what do you think it is about the show do you think it's just like there's

some kind of uh it's almost like a cult maybe or a Um, well, I mean, I guess there is a reason that they use the phrase cult hit. Yeah. In a way, right? With the fans? I think that it's a combination of factors. One of them is that, uh, the show was on television for 15 years. And so the audience actually got to watch these two characters, Jared and Jensen, that Jared and Jensen were playing, grow up as those actors grew up.

Like, you see those, the first season of that show. show and they're kids. Yeah. And, you know, when the show ended, they were washed up. And so for an audience member who actually started watching early on, to be able to carry through to the end of the arc of the series, they feel like they've grown up with those characters. They've been in their home for so long that they feel like family.

And the show hits on themes of family. and I think that that's a big, a big factor in it. And I think another factor is that our show came of age at the same time that Twitter came of age. Like social media was just a burgeoning. Yeah, we were done. Right. We weren't around with social media.

So you didn't have that opportunity to engage with your fans the way we did. And we happened, I think because there wasn't really a terribly solid template for us to follow because it was really nascent. at that point. We didn't know what to do. And so we were kind of playful with the audience. And we have always been kind of playful with the fans at the conventions

in a way that I think is a little bit unconventional if you pardon the use of that term in this context. And I think that we weren't terribly guarded with the fans. We were a little bit vulnerable. We were a little bit open, a little bit open-hearted. We were willing to, you know.

Make an ass to yourself. make total asses of ourselves humiliate ourselves yeah with our fans i just yeah i feel like because i think i was in were you a fanboy at all before you became an actor like i would go to some conventions like horror conventions and like that's the guy from uh evil dead too or that's the dude from dawn of the dead man that's fly boy uh you know i'm gonna get his autograph i i was that guy and then i fast forward all those years and i'm i'm at the convention signing so i always love conventions Were you like that at all? Were you somebody who wants the autographs?

No, I wasn't a dork. You weren't a, I wasn't a dork like me. Did you want autographs? Do you have autographs at your house? I have a, I, I, when I was eight, I wrote a letter to Dr. Seuss and he wrote back to me, and I got a signed photo from Dr. Seuss. I, it's funny, actually being around these microphones in, in a studio setting reminds me of this, but I was a huge fan of public radio, national public radio,

I just nerded out on. I knew the names of all the hosts and all the shows and when the shows were on on my local station. And I would listen to... How old were you when you were doing this? This was like, you know, starting early in high school. When I was, when I turned 18, my girlfriend, who later became my wife,

got me a surprise birthday present. And it was like, she was taking me somewhere. And we were in northern Virginia at the time. And she said, I said, well, just tell me where you're taking me. She's like, no, I'm not going to spoil the surprise. And I said, come on, just give me the address. And she said, okay, fine. It's 2020 M Street Northwest.

And I was like, oh, shit, that's National Public Radio Headquarters. I know that. Like, I was such a nerd. And so then for my birthday, she took me in to listen to the recording of an episode of All Things Considered. And it was like, this is All Things Considered. Is that what they say? That's very good.

Yeah. But I, so then I ended up interning at National Public Radio Headquarters. And then working there briefly when I was quite young and walking around the halls and, you know, seeing the faces that were connected to the voices that I knew so well was so thrilling to me. So that's where I nerded out the most. Someone asked me not too long ago, maybe three years ago, if I could have dinner with anyone living, who would it be? And I said, you know what, I think it would probably be Bob Garfield, who's a national public radio personality who hosts this, or he hosted this show called On the Media, which I loved. But this was on stage at a convention.

I answered that question. And then two days later, I got a phone call and it was Bob Garfield on the phone. What? My Twitter exploded. Who are you? And now we've become friends. And it's like, it's very exciting. What do you talk about with them?

Is there a lot to talk about? We talk about our personal lives. We talk about our failings, our shortcomings. How old is he? He's, I don't know. I don't know how old Bob Garfield is. He's got to be 65. Bob, how old are you?

Bob, are you listening? Bob Garfield. I owe you a call, by the way, Bob. I'm going to call you after this podcast. You talked about this ad nauseum. I mean, so many interviews. But I think it's pretty incredible that, you know, you come up for three guest stars,

spot or whatever and then all of a sudden you're working 12 years on a show were you I mean you must have been really good you must have just fit right the fuck in for them to make you a regular that quick I well they didn't make me a regular that quick it it was by degrees they were kept adding three more episodes three more episodes and then finally they were like all right it looks like we're stuck with you but I didn't fit in I don't think I think it was an interesting mix where I was actually, I was, somehow I was a foil to Sam and Dean's characters, and I was different enough that it kind of filled out the cast a little bit in a way that if I, when I first got on set, I hadn't really watched the show. I was like a kind of lazy guest star actor. I was like,

I don't know. Nobody watches the show. You like me. That's what I would have done. Who cares? I got, I don't know. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. I'll be gone before anyone even knows that I was here. And so I knew that I was going to be playing an angel. And so I kind of showed up with this very ethereal, other earthly, you know, other worldly quality. And you added the voice. And I had the voice, you know, the deep voice for various reasons because I thought that

was going to be cool. It turned out it was a pain in the ass for a long time. But I, we did the first take. and the producer, who was also the director, the executive producer, director, Kim Manners, came up to me and he said, can you try to do that again, but not so spooky?

And I was just like, I was the wrong tone for the show altogether because all of the characters that played demons or witches or whatever, they just came across as real humans in the show at that point. And I was playing something that was like spooky and otherworldly

because I hadn't watched the show. but ultimately as that character got tweaked and honed uh i i was a fish out of water i didn't quite fit in but it was actually in a weird way kind of what the show needed at that point um and and i think you know obviously it worked to an extent because they kept me there for you know i watched outtakes i just saw these outtakes and it just seems like the whole time jensen and jared are fucking with you that that is a fair characterization of my experience i'm mean it's non-stop yeah it's a it's abuse is what it's abuse because didn't you have a lot i mean you you always had to say a bunch of you had a lot of lines i had plenty of lines yes plenty of

lines and they would uh incessantly fuck with me and you're trying to remember these lines and they're fucking or trying to even just say them um yes um it was it was maddening at times but it was also, I think, demonstrative of the fact that we had a lot of fun on set. I think it is probably north of a million dollars in overtime that Warner Brothers had to pay for because of us fucking around on set over the years. Yeah, but without hyperbole, I think that's probably true. Is it safe to say, I mean, like, you probably love these guys like brothers. I mean, but you all three are extremely close? Yeah, it is. You know, it's funny. I think. think that one of the one of the interesting things about the supernatural fandom is that they're all

of these factions like there are people who consider themselves Sam fans and Dean fans and Jared fans and Misha fans and a lot of times they butt heads there are you know small but vocal minorities of these of the fandom that like the Jared fans who hate the Misha fans or hate that I came on the show at all and you know and you have people that hate you yes and and and and But I think that they're also small but vocal groups that think that we actors don't get along or that, you know, there's some feud going on between me and Jared or Jared and Jensen or whatever. And the fact of the matter is we get along great. And when we, you know, hang up or end phone calls with one another, we always say, love you, brother. Can't wait to see you.

I mean, we're like we really love and care for each other. But there's this whole narrative. Maybe it's the, sorry, I keep banging your microphone, maybe it's the fans trying to find a way to cultivate some additional drama now that the actual drama. But there really isn't any drama to be said. No. You never had a day where you're like, oh my God, fuck off. Oh, no, no. We've all, we've all, like people. Like life, real friends. Like friends and like, you know, like siblings, we have all fought with one another at one point or another and had like real knockdown, drag out arguments.

Really? You raised your voice with each other. Yes, certainly. But we also, but that's because we have like a really close relationship.

And the overarching tenor of our friendships is one of friendship and love, for sure. What's the biggest fight that you could recall on set that you were just like

fuck off. Like the three, you're just not getting along or you're not getting along with someone. Do you remember? I always remember those moments when I flipped out on Welling.

I was directing an episode and he was going everything was going wrong the dolly broke Allison's clothing had a problem uh this window wasn't closing and he goes in there goes dude you're behind what the fuck and I go hey

fuck off Kubrick I'm doing my best here we got a lot of problems I'm just fucking with you I'm like well fuck got a lot going on right now you're trying to earn respect here and people are fucking with you but there's got to be a day that you can remember that Or maybe not.

No, yeah. I mean, there are times when there was a time when Jared, I can't remember. Oh, yeah. I mean, we have. Well, here it comes. Jared, we were on a flight together, and Jared took a photo of me. Like, I failed to lock the door on the bathroom in the airplane. And Jared noticed and just opened the door and took a picture of me on the toilet.

Exposed? Well, I was on the toilet. you know, and I grabbed his phone when I got back on the plane and flushed it on the toilet, which precipitated a very unpleasant, uh, fight between us. But I was like, wait a minute. You actually flushed his toilet down the plane bath? I flushed his phone down the phone, yeah, down the plane toilet. That was, that was, that's a big thing to do.

I know. It was a dick move. Now, how upset was he? He was furious. Violent? Like he wanted to hit you? No, he wasn't violent, but he was so. pissed at me that he wouldn't talk to me and and he shouldn't I was I it was a completely

disproportionate response to what he had done and yet and yet that was early on in our that was early on on the show when we would get into like pranking each other and escalating things and sometimes those things got to the point where it was like this isn't funny anymore you know one or the other of us would take it a little bit too far and that happened mostly with between me and Jared but Jensen did stuff too and I was like really dude really and you're just like fuck off guys I need to focus here or whatever I'll tell you as we got older and um I and I think a little bit more mature um we stop doing that I think that are we're not we're not fucking with each other like that anymore right we're too old for this nonsense well yeah

actually I think so you think so I think you think it just got old after like season seven or eight. Yeah, yeah. That's when it kind of... That is actually, I think about when it petered out. Really? Yeah. Do you miss it?

No. You don't miss it. You know, Jared and Jensen got to keep that famous car. What was the car of Chevelle? What was it? Impala. Chevy Impala. They both got one.

Yep. Did they give you anything or were you allowed to take anything home with you? Did you take anything home with you? I have some artifacts from the show. I don't have an Impala, but I have some artifacts. effects from the show um yeah i don't know what i'm going to do with them i'm not really a collector so i don't like put things out on display and what are you saying uh i do like your collection of things i i i as i was looking at the baseballs on on your shelf here yeah i got baseballs and stuff it's just like you know

i figure i could i could have my office and a podcast room where i could you know these are kind of collectibles and things like that and the rest of the house is just kind of like nice i like this i want you like this i want to have my house look more like this you want a studio with what are these what are these bobblehead things up here uh the little bobbleheads on the shelf yeah um those are just like a collection that i have i mean you know free shit or like uh yeah napoleon dynamite hellraiser christmas vacation uh you know all that shit and then those i have puppets those puppets that's a princess lea puppet i got in i don't know australia that right that head right there is what i wore in an episode of Smallville

it's called Onyx where I split in half good Lex Bad Lex. And I kept that It was very uncomfortable And yeah Wow you know I audition for that role You audition for Lex? Yeah yeah You beat me out

Oh my God Yeah I don't know how I still It still amazes me that I got that role It was a lucky day man It was one of those days Isn't it interesting how one little thing Can change the course of your life

so radically you know it's just like having that confidence for that one moment in time and they're like that's the guy and you're like what i remember my friend's going dude i cannot see you as lex luther are you fucking kidding me i remember my friend matt uh when we came out they had lex luther dolls and we were i was having a little gathering everybody's laughing and he turns around and he has my doll up his asshole yeah that that just kind of put me into my place. You know, that put me... That's mad for you. Ballard, you fuck.

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Hey, how was it working with Larry King or being on Larry King's show? That had to be fun because I watched that interview. That was another. I think that was one of those pinch me moments where I just couldn't believe I was sitting down and talking to Larry King, you know, he's a, he was such an icon. and for a good reason he was so easy to talk to yeah he said that you misha had the most questions ever asked on his show ever for a guest which is probably i mean he's had a lot of huge a listers like you know and he says that you had the most questions are you blown away by that

yeah i was blown away by that again that was early in the days of social media, right? I think that was probably a decade ago. Yeah, something like that. And the supernatural fans had already figured it out and were already, you know, online and active. And, you know, the likes of Oprah Winfrey hadn't yet, you know, developed an online

social media following. So, yeah, it's strange. Do you still get tons of gifts from fans? Or have you said, hey, guys, please don't give me any gifts. spend that money and donate to my charity or something like that do you ever oh god i would never say something like that well i would never say something so selfless is that uh it's fun it's funny i went uh i did a convention in japan and have you ever been to no i don't know if smallville would be big there if i it was such a funny experience because it was like uh everyone who came up to the to the autograph table brought a gift right and um and i and i and i guess it was just

It's just a cultural thing. Like, you're visiting our country? Here's a gift. And I kept on just grabbing the thing and setting it down next to me. And then one of the assistants at the convention said, where would you like the stuff, all the gifts? And I said, oh, I don't know, just bring it up to my hotel room. And I got to my hotel room.

And I couldn't open the door to my hotel room. They had literally filled up the entire room with gifts. And it was quite fun. going through it all. I had my kids with it. You went through it all. I went through it all and I had my kids with me and it was Christmas time. Like it was right before Christmas. So I was like kids, this is Christmas. So we went through this mountain of gifts from some really great gifts. Some really great like there. Like there were some go pros and things like that in there. What? Never got a GoPro. But the amazing thing it was then the next year at Christmas, my kids were

young at that point. They were like, dad, can't wait for Christmas and all the gifts. And I was like, oh, no, no, no, no. That's not how it's going. to be that was just a one-off kids so now they're forever disappointed with the holidays wow and so you don't just say you know hey i thank you for all the gifts but you really don't because you probably get gifts every convention you go to you go to texas and you'll get tons of shit right um yeah although uh i think over yeah i don't know i don't know i yeah the conventions now do tell people not to give gifts so we don't get we don't get that i got much stuff this my friend Lee and Kristen made me a pillow

with every guest I've had on the podcast. Oh, well, that's very sweet. Right, isn't that nice? I use it. And then they gave me another one. So it's two pillows filled with all my... Soon you will need another pillow. I think I've had... I think I just had my 200th.

Oh, my God. It's a lot. Yeah. It's a lot of people. I never thought I would be doing this either. I just was like, I can't do this. I'm not... Who wants to listen to me?

And most people don't. But are you talking... Who are you talking to primarily? I don't listen to your show on the regular. I just listen to when I'm on it. Who do I what? Who do you interview? Is it other actors?

You know, anywhere from like Bob Odenkirk to Kiefer Sutherland to Jennifer Love Hewitt, Jensen was just on. But it's mostly actors. Most actors, directors, that kind of thing. Occasionally I'll have an athlete on or a rocker. You know, I had Richard Marks on who's a friend. You know, so it's fun. It's fun to kind of, you know, talk to these.

to these folks and get to know them. But, you know, I, as much as like, you know, in past, hey, Misha, yeah, I kind of know Misha through, you know, we've seen each other. But to me, this is pretty cool because you throw on some headphones. And for an hour, I learn a lot about you. You know, I get to know you a little bit more. And like, you know, it's an opportunity for me to really listen because I'm a, it's hard

for me to listen. If you take these headphones off and we're out there, I mean, I'll listen to you. But I'll sometimes I'm a scatterbrain, little ADD. but this forces you to kind of just like zone in i just did this um uh series for pbs called road food yeah jensen said to ask you about that we traveled around the country um talking to i mean honestly we were using food as a as a window into worlds so we're looking at little you know regional dishes uh you know gumbo in louisiana for example and we're using that as a as a window into worlds where I'll sit down and literally break bread with people and talk to them about their lives and world.

But it was actually really fascinating because it was an excuse, like you're saying, an excuse to sit down and listen to people and talk to people and get to know them that I wouldn't otherwise have sat down with. There just wouldn't have been occasion, but I also wouldn't have, I just wouldn't have made the space and time for it. And so when you slow down and you give some time and attention and you actually let yourself be present with someone it's kind of remarkable like i gleaned these little pearls of life wisdom from the guy who ran the little tortilla factory in brownsville texas um or you know or or

the mayor of tangier island in in the chesapeake bay all of these individuals that i would never have talked to um were willing to just open up and it was lovely. It was really fascinating. I actually feel like I learned about the human family through that experience. That's amazing. And I feel I feel the same way. I think you nailed it. I think, you know, sitting with someone, there's like little morsels, little things that you've said, little things that other guests have said, which sort of helped me or they help other people who are listening. It's just like a candid conversation open and I kind of just, you know, throw shit at you. And I find it to be fun. I was going to quit many times. The first 10 interviews,

I was like, nobody's listening. Nobody's listening. 15, you know, 30 guests in. I'm just like, what am I doing? And then one wants to hear me interview people. And then all of a sudden, I stuck with it. And I started to get more vulnerable. And I think that's when the show got better when I started to open up.

And I started to talk about my imperfections, which are, I have many. And I think that's, you know, people kind of like that I open up like that. And, you know, even you, you open up again about your door. divorce and all the shit you're going through and it's like wow it's uh you know it's not all about fluff and all about what you're doing next and you know it's uh i don't know i find it interesting to see that you know we all go through ruts we all go through tough times you know yeah i um that kind of reminds me of when i when i first got on supernatural and for you know the c w was knocking and saying we need you to come do some interviews and i my at that at that time my wife was in

graduate school, she was getting her PhD in pop culture history. And her advisor had just written a biography of Marilyn Monroe. And Marilyn Monroe had been one of these early starlets who had totally cultivated her public persona. So everything about her was cultivated. The color of her hair, the shape of her nose, the timber of her voice. Everything was cultivated and based on what the A-listers of the time were looking like. and sounding like and how they were walking and talking. So I thought, well, maybe this is my opportunity to cultivate my public persona. This is the first time I'm getting in, you know, doing interviews. This is the first time I'm getting in front of cameras and talking about myself, Misha, in quotes. Right. I can present however I want. I can present as the ideal version of American masculinity.

And we started, I started doing interviews and had this idea of a version of myself that I want to to have the public see and it was stiff and awkward and uncomfortable and not at all charming and i suddenly realized i can't do this like i if i do this i'm going to quit this job all right i i hate you're not being authentic and so i just started bearing it all and i was like oh okay that's that's that's that's that's how it's going to have to be for me well it's worked um it's worked Yeah, I suppose. I suppose it's worth. You know, you said that you don't really feel like you fit in.

You said that before. Because I always feel like that too. I always feel like when I'm around other celebrities or at a party, I'm just like, I just don't feel like I fit in. And I could pretend to fit in. Is that what you're saying in a way? Or do you just not like to be around big celebrity parties? Not that I go to a party, especially now in the last two years. But what is it?

What do you mean exactly when you say you don't feel like you fit in? Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure what context that statement was made in. But I know that I felt that way when I was growing up. I was, you know, my family was homeless at times and we were moving constantly when I was a kid. I'd lived in 15 different places by the time I was in high school and was in a new school every year. And that all of those factors combined to make. me always an outsider in school and I didn't have a friend group and so I was always I was I

really actually didn't fit in and I was also not terribly well socialized we didn't have a television my mom kind of dressed me as a girl so I would you know show I remember you talking about that in the last podcast yeah so I'm rehashing I like to rehash I like it no I like that but but long story short I just I always kind of felt like an outsider and I and I felt like I had to figure out some tricks to ingratiate myself to social groups. So I relied on self-deprecating humor. That was something that I used a lot of in high school. I found that people were like, oh, that's kind of charming. They'd laugh at it. And at some point, I realized I have to stop doing all of this self-deprecating humor because I'm putting myself down so much that I'm starting to feel bad

about myself. Wow. But when I, and it still shows up in some places. I've done a lot of therapy and work on like early childhood trauma and realize that, you know, I actually was traumatized in a locker room when I was really young. So when I go into locker rooms, even now as an adult, I feel uncomfortable. And that played out in high school and college. Like, I didn't really want to be involved in organized sports because I didn't want to be in locker rooms. And I didn't even realize that was happening, you know. but I was like this this isn't I don't fit in here right so as I get older I'm starting to find that I'm a little bit more comfortable in my own skin like I feel like I fit in inside me if you know

to plagiarize your podcast title inside you um but I but I you know as I'm getting more comfortable in my skin I think I'm a little bit less concerned with whether or not I quote fit in or not and I'm and I'm more okay being whatever kind of peripheral outsider I am and and as a consequence I do feel more comfortable in you know most social situations now I'm not as like I'm not watching myself to to figure out whether or not people are okay without behavior yeah am I cool enough am I I don't really fitting it you don't really give a shit it's taken it's taken years though to probably get there yeah right yeah I used to run things over in my head a lot like oh did what did they think of me you know did

i embarrass myself right and now i can do something embarrassing and be like well that was stupid and then move on and move on uh jared padillucky was texting me this morning what an asshole he said he said uh see if he's willing to tell you about the fart on the plane story okay uh yeah sure let's do it let's do my fart story what is it so um i don't know how long your your podcast can run but this is a long is it well can we nope it has to be incredibly long so um all right i i was uh i was flying um from los angeles to boston on jet blue and stopped off before the flight to have dinner with my wife's mother. And my wife and I were vegetarians at the time.

She took us to P.F. Chang's China Bistro. And we had no money at this point. And so we gorged on every vegetarian entree they had at P.F. Chang's. There's a lot of roasted garlic and everything, it seemed like. And that's something that doesn't necessarily agree with my system. We got on the flight, and it was a packed flight, and I was sitting in a middle seat. And about half hour into the flight, I felt like the pressure building up.

Oh, boy. I've got a, I've got a fart, but I didn't want to like, excuse me, sorry, get up, get up and go to the bathroom. I was just gonna let it up. So I decided what I would do is just let it out a little bit at a time so that it would dissipate and not be a big deal. And you know on the plane when you fart,

it's like no one can hear it. Nobody can hear because there's the sound of the jet engine. It's gonna be fine. Yeah. So anyway, I endeavored to let it out a little bit at once, but unfortunately, when I don't know, pressure change or something, it all came out at once. And just the fart, just, just the fart came out. And, uh, and there was a guy sitting behind me, um, who fainted. From your fart? Yeah. And his, uh, his girlfriend called the flight

attendants over and said, uh, Mike, you know, he's pat, they came, they administered oxygen. They, they resuscitated him. And she said, somebody, something. but he has gas and the flight attendants said no no ma'am that's not possible uh all of the all of the fuel is stored on the wings there's nothing none of the none of the fuel could come into the fuselage at all it's not possible and so they all let it go i i fell asleep i woke up uh it was about an hour later and i had to fart again and i thought i'll just just a little bit at a time again i farted again the guy faints again they administer oxygen and again his girlfriend says Somebody has gas, and the flight attendant, again, ma'am, that's not possible.

It's all, you're hearing all this. A hundred percent. I'm hearing it all. I'm like slinking down into the seat, absolutely mortified. And the woman sitting next to them in the row, so they say, no, ma'am, it's not possible for there to be a gas leak. And the woman says, no, it's not a gas leak. Somebody has to go to the bathroom.

And so we land the plane, and everyone has to sit in their seats while paramount. medics come and get this guy off the plane. You're going to shit your pants. As he's saying, as he's saying, it's never happened to me before. I don't know. It's just something smells so bad. Oh my God. Anyway.

That is superb. So I don't know what your sponsorship relationship is with P.F. Chains China Bistro. But if P.F. Changs isn't paying you, they should be. All right. That was an unbelievable story because you know how much I love farts, Ryan. And then lastly, he said the story. of kayaking in Palau.

Oh, huh. I don't really know if there's much of a story. All right. All right. Yeah. All right. This is last, the last thing is shit talking with Misha Collins. This is my, these are my patrons.

They give back to the show. They get to ask questions. It's rapid fire, if you will. And that's it. Lisa H. Just lit a little bit out is what he's saying. Yeah. Yeah.

Just a little bit. Just a little bit. That's amazing. That's amazing. That's amazing. That's something fainted from your ass. Yeah, it's a sad but true. It's like a Metallica song.

Lisa H. during the filming of Supernatural, when Cass and Dean were watching porn, what was really on the screen, porn, something else, or nothing? My husband wants to know because your expressions were priceless. In that particular instance, there was, it was just lights on the screen that were flickering and very carefully cultivated to make it look like I was watching television. However, I will tell you that in the show, there's a recurring motif that Dean likes this magazine called Busty Asian Beauties. So he's always picking up a copy of Busty Asian Beauties. And there was an episode where my character was in a convenience store shopping,

and they had on the, of course, on the magazine rack were copies of Busty Asian Beauty. beauties and i picked one up and it's you know it's a porn magazine and i picked it up and i opened it expecting to find it you know it to be an uh an entertainment weekly magazine or something and i open it up and sure enough it was it was a magazine called barely 18 and it's an actual porn magazine that the that the set dressers that thought you know what will be funny we'll we'll put this fake cover on an actual oh my god I picked it up and I was like, oh my God, what am I looking at? So sometimes there was porn on the set of Supernatural, but it was mostly just the set dressers.

Oh, I love that. That's good. They'd probably get in trouble for that, didn't they? They will now. They will now. Years later. Leanne, what is something people would be surprised to learn about you? Besides that you're a poet, you have a book published.

New York Times best list. Is that correct? Yeah, I got it. Fuck, dude. Yep, I have. I got New York Times bestselling poetry book, which is, I think not a lot of people can say that because not a lot of books of poetry sell. I was pretty excited about that.

I would say that I consider myself an introvert. I don't think a lot of people know that or would say that about me. I could see that. But I'm fairly introverted. Are you sort of quiet at home? You sort of like in your own head, you kind of, you know. No. You're not very animated.

No, I can be animated and boisterous, but I also have a tendency to want to recharge on my own. So, you know, I don't spend a lot of time hanging out in the green room. Right. You don't care about other actors and talking to them. Precisely. Yes. I know. Nancy D.

Well, now that you're in New York Times bestselling poet, can we expect a follow-up collection? I don't know, but that is a, it's something that I'm percolating on to recycle a word from earlier in the podcast. Yeah, percolates a good word. I wrote my book of poetry over the course of like 20 years and definitely was not thinking of a follow-up volume.

But it has been well received and I don't know, maybe, maybe. I'm starting to write again, so we'll see. I like it. Robin asks, how much weight did you gain during the taping of road food? I am shocked to, announce that I just went to the doctors and I had high cholesterol. And now I have moderately

high cholesterol, which is slightly less cholesterol. Moderately. And road food was a lot of greasy and fried food. So I don't know what happened, but somehow, somehow I got healthier over the course of it. Oh, you got healthier. Healthier. Over the course of it. Yeah. I don't know what happened. I can't explain it. That's amazing. What was the best thing you ate on the road? curious um i i liked the viet cajan crawfish was pretty delicious yeah i'm allergic to that are you i think i'm allergic to shrimp so probably not you're not going to be i shouldn't have crawfish for sure not yeah yeah hmm i miss it well makes it well what was it it was a combination of spices it was like cajian cajian crawfish but then they infused it with some vietnam

spices and sauces that were I'm hungry now a secret so they wouldn't tell me what it was Yavor what is the most memorable day of your life that's a that's a tough one the most memorable day of your life why don't we say besides your children being born I there they're certainly I don't know even know how to quantify most memorable I I don't have a certain day that I rehash in my mind more than others. I'm not someone who spends a lot of time reflecting on the past. I have, for some reason, I'm just going to randomly select a memory that's popping out for me. I remember when I was four years old, I was sitting on this horse fence and a tractor came down the road in front of the fence. And I remember thinking, well, that's it. I've seen a

tractor so many times now that this is no longer interesting three years old was the best age from now on it's all downhill and i i very i have this very distinct recollection of that framing of new experiences when i was four years old so that is memorable wow yep that was my it was the moment that i realized that i had peaked you just peaked at four yeah laura w if you hadn't got down the path of acting, what do you think you would have ended up doing? I'm going to guess politics. You know, it's interesting. I thought I was going to go into politics, and then I course corrected somewhere along the lines, and I actually think I would have been an artist of some sort. I'm not sure if I would have been a visual artist or a performance artist, or I mean,

I've been working on some large-scale public art installations, and that has been really gratifying, but also, you know, writing poetry or writing in general. I feel like I need to be expressing some sort of creative energy or else I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing. Yeah. So something creative. I can see that. Abel F.

What dish has taken you to a euphoric place versus a dish so bad you couldn't swallow and had to tell the cook no? There, I have a very fond childhood affinity for Japanese dumplings that my friend used to make. And so it's like, that's kind of a comfort food for me. I was in Iceland and I tried the fermented shark. Have you sampled this delicacy? No. So they take a shark and they bury it in the sand and then the shark starts to decompose

And eventually the bladder that's filled with shark urine breaks and the urine helps preserve the remaining rotting flesh So it's fermented urine soaked shark meat and it tastes even worse than it sounds it was like it was putrid and unfathomable that someone would eat this were they insulted when you no i think that not many outsiders are able to eat this food wow did you want to throw up yes i did and i'm still i'm not this is not an exaggeration i'm still getting like goosebumps thinking about that that flavor it was really shutter worthy wow what's what do you love the most in terms of food like what's something that you just you just can feel it coming down your throat just you know what i mean say that again no i don't want to i don't want to but something that you're just like oh i just want like right

now i mean i love bolognese i love that with some garlic bread what about you i uh i love i love fresh produce it's funny having i'm not having just done this show road food which is like it's We're delving into regional American cuisine, but it's not like fancy stuff. It's the stuff that you find at roadside diners, right? And it's very heavy and it's very salty and it's very greasy and it's very bacon-laden. And having finished that show, I'm like, I want a fresh tomato with maybe a salt shaker. And that's it. You know?

Yeah. Are you one to drink sodas and. Are you pretty healthy? I'm pretty healthy. Salads. A lot of salad. Right. Because I just started that for the new year.

More salads, no sodas, no cookies, no chips at night, less popcorn, trying to eat healthy. I'm glad that you haven't cut the popcorn out altogether. Yeah, I've had popcorn twice this year. But, you know, you got to have some vice. I've quit a lot of vices. I stopped this vaping bullshit. Oh, you were vaping? I was vaping a lot, occasional smoking.

I'm like, what are you doing? my grandfather way back when he used to smoke irv used to smoke and my uncle dave was sitting him in the car sitting with him in the car and back then you just smoked in the car with the kids you know you don't give a shit my my grandfather irv smoking and my uncle dave looks at him that's his dad and goes why do you smoke and he looked at dave and goes i don't know and he quit that day he had no reason and he had no answer for him. He goes, I don't, that's amazing. I don't know.

And he just quit. And I always found that to be pretty cool because really, that's what I think of. I'm like, why are you doing this? Well, I'm a little stressed. I'm a little, stop it. This isn't helping you. You know, so I'm trying to do that more. It's not always easy.

No. You know, the addictive part of our brains will give you that little kick. Like right now, it would be nice. it would and it would be nice right now but if you can keep the perspective to remember that in the long run it's going to kill me in the long run it's not good if i do it right now i'm going to want to do it again five hours from now yeah um yeah that's something i think probably all of us struggle with in some yeah we all have vices we all have that one thing that we're like fuck yeah i'm not a drinker i'm not really a smoker i've been getting into these pot taffees they're just

just like low milligram taffees with a little pot that I'll take at night. And I've been taking those a little bit. But now I'm like, wait a minute. Are you taking these every night now? What the fuck, dude? This is your next vice. All right. So you say you're working on you right now. You're taking some time off. You're just, you're not in the middle of working on something right now. Right now it's taking care of Misha time. Yeah. That's right. That sounds good. You can continue that for a little while until you're ready for the next step. Yeah. I think you can do that. Well, it's CW money in your bank. There's a poet, Rainier Maria Rilke, he's a 19th century German poet. And there's a quote of his that I really love, which is everything is gestation and birth.

And I think that that's really true for creative people, but we have to give ourselves time to gestate. Just give ourselves that space to allow the thing to grow, to percolate up. To percolate. The word of the podcast. I really thank you for coming over. This has been a real treat for me. And, you know, I haven't seen you in person. I don't know how long.

Yeah, it's been five years. It's been a long time. Yeah. And I always learned something. You're a smart guy. You're open. You're one of the good ones. Well, thanks for having me back.

It's really nice to see your space in person. It's good to be here. And, yeah. Yeah. Ryan, you want to say anything to Mish? Oh, real quick. Garfield, 67? He's 67.

Did I say 65? You did say 65? God, that was pretty close. I had to Google it. But, you know, he looks much younger than 67. Oh, also, did Dr. Seuss write you a poem? No, he didn't. Damn.

Yeah, I wish. That would have been cool. I also wish I still had that signed photo when I lost it somewhere. Damn. All right. All right. Take care.

I love you. Bye. You know what was great. It was him talking about these stories. you know the farting on the plane one of my favorites oh that was a good story you know any any time we talk about farts

and a plane you love a good fart I'd rather farts in a plane than snakes you know I mean if you're gonna ask me I mean I think an ultimate nightmare would be farting snakes ooh farting snakes on a plane brutal brutal with their diets thank you misha for being on the podcast again

I appreciate again if you liked misha and you like the podcast and you're like hey I like the interview listen to the podcast next week. You might learn something. The guests are always forthcoming and open and honest. And I feel like people learn things. So I appreciate everybody who listens to the podcast every week. And those that don't, if you're here for Misha again, hopefully you'll stick around next week.

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right. There's several months before that birthday. That's true. I have time. That's a big one, though, guys. I'm going to be 50. I can't even believe it. I don't believe it either. I can't believe it. Anyway, thank you for listening to the podcast. Thanks for being here. Thanks to Ryan from I'm Michael Rosamum here in the Hollywood Hills of California. I'm Ryan Tayas. And I'll give the camera a little wave.

Thanks for supporting this podcast. Thank you. And have a good week. Be good to yourselves. That's the most important thing I think is just be good to yourself. We're all assholes, right? We're all assholes just trying to get by.

That's right. So do your best. Put that on a bumper sticker. We're all assholes. Just trying to go by. I mean, I'll tell you. We're all assholes just trying to get by. It's kind of true.

I mean, it's, you know, it's like every day is a, do you think every day is a grind, Ryan? Yeah. Yeah. It shouldn't be, though, right? It shouldn't be, but it has been. It has been. Maybe it's the whole COVID thing for the couple of years and now we're getting out of it. And, you know, but like, I just need, I need to get out of my house more.

I need to. I'm starting to do that. I'm playing a little tennis. I'm starting to play a little hockey again. I'm trying to golf a little bit. I'm trying to get out of the house, trying to enjoy my friends. and just stay positive and not get so absorbed in my shit. Just trying to get by with your asshole.

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