Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - The Righteous Gemstones’ CASSIDY FREEMAN: Puck Ferfection

Episode Date: August 2, 2022

Cassidy Freeman (The Righteous Gemstones, Smallville) joins us this week and talks about the lonely and uncomfortable experience of joining Smallville in its eight season along with the bonds and connections she eventually created with castmates Tom Welling, Erica Durance, and Alison Mack. Cassidy shares her thoughts on the false idea of perfection during comparison and how she has started to let go of the idea of perfectionism. We also talk about the joy of working on the set of The Righteous Gemstones with Danny McBride and John Goodman, her love for Longmire, and leaving a legacy through journaling. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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be in august at fan expo boston august 12th weekend doing the small boat nights with tom welling lots of other great stuff trying to deal with my anxiety i hope you're dealing with your anxiety i hope you're dealing with life and taking things in stride and trying to enjoy things more ryan how are you i'm also trying to enjoy things more as well yeah yeah you're playing your sports you're playing your soccer on wednesday nights doing my little exercises that's good that's yeah No, it does help. It's good. Yeah, I'm excited for my soccer game.

I play goalie. I never played goalie before. I love it. It's awesome. How many times are you playing? I mean, once a week. Really? Yeah.

And you're doing all right? Yeah. I'm enjoying it. Wow. Yeah. That's a big role to take on, a goalie. I know. I always wanted to play a little league.

Little League. Well, Little League version of soccer, whatever that is. I tried out when I was like eight years old. Didn't make it? No. But I stayed on the same team until I was like 14. And so it was just this one kid who got to be goalie the whole time. I played defense.

It was a great team, nice kids, but I really wanted to play golea. And now I can. Now you can. You're making your dreams come true. Come on, dream, go. I love it. I love it. Well, guys, thank you again for sticking around and subscribe, all that stuff.

Keep listening. Cassidy Freeman. This is a fun interview. She's great, righteous gemstone. She was on Smallville. We talked about that. She kind of took over from my character, Lex Luther. We talk about that.

We talk about life and everything else. between let's get inside of cassidy freeman it's my point of view you you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum inside of you inside of you with michael rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience wow i got the privilege of meeting the baby g-g treat that was she is you know i hate to say it i mean i know i don't hate to say it but don't you hate when people are like oh here's my new baby and you're just like oh my gosh your baby's so cute this is the cutest little but like your kid is actually incredibly cute thank god because that that would be i mean i'd have to lie probably wouldn't i'd probably have to say

oh my gosh look at that yeah you would have to lie and i don't think you'd be that bad at it But I do think I would, I would sense that you were lying. Would you, especially if I went, oh, if I said, oh, would you look at that? Would you look at that? Would you look at that? But Gigi is adorable. And you said Gigi's good on planes. She's great on planes.

She's great on set. She's great in my trailer. I think she sleeps better in my trailer than she does in her room or our room because I share a room. Right. So you keep her with her on. on set for the righteous gemstone. Do you keep her on set in the trailer?

Not every day, but I did have the woman who's helping me out bring her a couple days just to sort of like know if it was possible. Is that called a nanny or is it's just the woman? It is. Can we find it's the woman? I call her my sandy. Well, the woman, the woman. The woman.

I just feel, isn't nanny a weird word? Or am I just not accepting the fact that I'm no longer 15 and I have a nanny? that works for me how old is giji by the way how old is jiji she's four and a half months four and a half months now see i we were talking about this before but people have this whenever you ask them how old's oh my baby's 67 weeks i'm like what does that mean why are you going with that man i don't even know how many a woman a woman did this to me on the plane yesterday she was like how old's years and i was like four and a half months and she's like um worth 47 weeks and i was like i don't four eight 12 16 my 20 24 28 that's almost a year that's almost 10 months anyway or something like that

they do this they do there's a reason they do this yeah I want to hear the reason please you want to know the reason please the reason they do this is because um at least what I think pregnancy is uh done by by weeks instead of months because truth be told if you did like how long is we always hear nine months right nine months gestation and you carry a baby for nine months. The truth is you actually carry a baby for 10 months, but it's really nine and a half months because, and I mean, this is pretty apropos given the last week we've just had, but a woman starts their pregnancy two weeks before they actually concede. So when you are a month pregnant, you're actually only two weeks since conceiving. But that's how they, that's the only

way they can like, doctors can measure it and know when you should be giving birth or when you shouldn't be giving birth and where the growth should be of the fetus to make sure the fetus is okay and all of that how many uh ryan's calculating this how many weeks am i ryan 50 times 52 2600 weeks folks michael rosenbaum is 2600 weeks today or actually july 11th um well no that's um is your birthday july 11th is my birthday 711 i get free slurpees, but doesn't, at 7-Eleven, don't, doesn't everybody get free slurpees at 7-Eleven on 7-Eleven? Does everyone say slurphy with an age? Did I do that? Did I say a shir-ky? Do you, do you recall how we met? Yeah, I mean, look, there's when we actually met and then there's

like the months preceding that where I felt like I knew you because no one could speak to me without saying your name is that true yeah so you and we'll get i want to get into you know you growing up in cassidy freeman as a young girl and what was going on and how all that happened because that's kind of like i want to i'm going to hear this story i want to know like what you were like and all this stuff but you and look we can get into the small of stuff now but like we met because your old agent i don't think she's your agent anymore schmidt she's still your agent she's not your agent but she called me and said hey you know my my client um cassidy freeman is taking over for your role she didn't say it like that she just said you know that she's a new character on smallville

and you've left and you know she'd like to you know i'd love if you just have a chat with her so i remember that and i remember we had a chat do you remember what the chat consisted of i don't i do i know i want bless you i am i was really stoned a lot that time in my life you were really stoned what were you a pot smoker you don't appear to be a pot smoker how what does a pot smoker appear to be like you know someone who appears to be stoned you never like you came across you just always seemed like very professional very with it not that you're not not that pot smokers can't be with it i'm just saying i didn't No, no, no, no, but tell me what the conversation was about. Let's leave my drug use to it.

We'll get into your drug use and your real, we will. You know, I think it was just like, what can I expect? You know, I'm going up to Vancouver to shoot this. And I said, listen, it's the hardest job in the world is stepping in as a guest star. That's the hardest thing you can do is go on to a television series that's already established and say, Hey, here I am. I'm Cassidy Freeman. and I'm taking over for Michael Rosenbaum, sort of.

And I'm playing his sister. That's how it was always, yeah. That's how it was always described. And I just said, hey, the crew's great and the cast is great. And they're going to be really warm to you. But I was lying because, no, I wasn't. I was lying. But what was your experience?

Like, you know, do you remember, like, were you nervous? You had to have been nervous. Absolutely. I was nervous. I had literally done one guest star and one pilot before both. looking at in my life. That's it? That's it.

So I had no idea. And the pilot that I had done before becoming Tess Mercer was another pilot for the CW that I did with Justin Hartley. So I weirdly had a touchstone coming with me, the fact that he was coming on as a series reg with me. And it was terrifying. Also, weirdly moving to Canada was difficult. uh like in the world of cell phones and rent i was still so young like i didn't know how

how old were you how old were you was 24 24 i think i started small though when i was 26 or 27 that's crazy i mean you are a kid still you're a kid and now you're thrusted up into canada vancouver where it rains 90% of the time and you're playing this character in the sees established show and starting season eight. Yeah. Yeah, everyone was really nice to me. You know, but it did feel very lonely sometimes because, you know, Tom's awesome, but he's a pretty private person.

And we developed a really sweet sort of like brother-sister relationship, maybe because he felt bad for me. But we also both like, we're both kind of chill people, so we got along really well, but he's not going to be like, hey, let's hang out. And Justin, I also had that relationship. with Justin. I tend to hang out with dudes more than I do with women. And I don't

know if that's because like I'd rather go out for a beer than like get my nails done. But, um, and that's very, that's a total like generalization. But have you always been like a tomboy? You've always been that way? Yeah. Yeah. I grew up with brothers. I just feel more

comfortable. I felt more comfortable at that. And I think, honestly, I think women in this industry kind of scared me. Um, because I didn't know if they were going to like be nice to me or eat me. I don't want to step out of line here, but isn't that true? I always felt like you go to an audition and dudes are just kind of dudes. Like, what's up?

All right. Okay, man, great. And they go in the audition. And I always felt like women were kind of like, that bitch. You know, but did you feel like that? Is that a true thing that just based on what I have talked with my friends that are women that have expressed their experiences, that's sort of how I came up with that. absolutely and not only that that that bitch is based in the like the truth of that the seed of that

reaction is actually i'm wildly insecure and i think that that other woman is more fill in the blank attractive tall right for the part wearing the right thing skinny you know voluptuous whatever you want to say right i'm gonna it's all out of comparison and i think that's what i um i was like hesitant i like didn't want I don't know, man. I just, I just treaded lightly. But I always refer to Smallville as sort of like my grad school because I, they were like, it's only going to go a year.

Yeah, right. And it went three. And I just kind of stayed up there. And I watched, I watched a lot. I was very observant. Sometimes people would be like, you don't work today. Why are you on set? And I would be like, I don't know what I'm doing half the time and I want to learn.

Really? You felt like you were that green. Like you'd only done a guest star on something else and you felt like you wanted to learn and this is a great chance for you to learn on set. I'm the kind of person that studies the route of where I'm driving before I put it into Google Maps. Like I want to know what the steps are before I get there because I don't want to be prepared. You're smart. That's really smart. I don't. I just jump in the car and I go. In fact, I go to some of these conventions or whatever and I don't know where I'm going half the time and I land and I go just. hate me where I'm supposed to go, point in the direction where I'm supposed to be,

what I'm supposed to do, and I'll just do it. I just don't want the stress of knowing where I'm going. But then I think you miss out on being present a lot of times. Like, this is where I am. This is where I'm going. Let's have a, I don't like to plan everything, but I think I could be better at that. No, and I think I totally hear you. I also think it's like if you're the kind of person that's okay with not knowing where you are

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What was going through your mind? Kevin Fair was directing the episode. Oh, Kevin Fair. I was in my office, your office, at the Luther Mansion. And I was like, it was a scene. It wasn't like the first time you saw a Test Mercer, but we were shooting out of border that episode. It was the first time that she meets Lois Lane. And Erica, who is just a gem of a human being, was so kind to me.

That is one woman that, like, immediately I was like, she's got my back. She is. She's like that. And I think also because she, she deals with anxiety. We've talked about it on the podcast. She deals with a lot of anxiety. And she, you know, and I think that she plans things out a lot like you do. But yeah, you're right. She is. She's a different breed. She's just a really, she's so down earth. Yeah. She's also incredibly gorgeous. And that unfortunately makes her a target. And I think she has done really well with that, with being a target. I think she is really genuine and authentic and kind. What do you mean when you say a target exactly? You know, like, again, I can't make like a comparison when I think about dudes because it's not like dudes, they're like, oh, that guy is such a six-pack. I'm going to fuck him up. Like, I'm going to really, I'm going to really be awful to him or I'm going to try and

take him down. And that tends to be like if a woman's, you know, like really beautiful, you try and find her faults that, I don't know, even the score or something. This is just something I've observed. I gotcha. I'm stoked that there are gorgeous women. And frankly, my idea of gorgeous, I think, is a wider swath than Hollywood or a lot of people's. I find people being really genuine, really attractive.

And I find people being really funny, really attractive. So, but I mean, she's just, Eric is just a gorgeous, gorgeous woman. That being said, let's get back to the scene. We'll get back to the scene. she's dressed up like a French maid and why you don't have to tell me why there's just I'm sure no because she was she was trying to she was in the Luther mansion trying to get information and that was her costume okay like she was like undercover as a French maid um and I was supposed to be like aggressively like attracted to her and kind of like pushy in like a is this a lesbian scene

or is this not? Is Tess Mercer a lesbian? Where's this sexual energy here between these two women? Kevin Farum really liked doing this. But the one thing I remember him saying after the whole, like, first three takes

he looked at me and he was like, he like took me aside and he was like, Cassie, I have to tell you something. And I was like so eager, so eager to do well and like show up and be a good little student. And I was like, yes, what's up, what's up? And he was like, you are eyebrow acting. And I was like, what? And he's like, you're just really expressive in your face.

Can you like tone it down a walk? What? And I guess from being on theater my whole life, I was like, were you just taken aback? Were you like, oh my God, I don't know what to do here? How do I not do this? Or did you know? I took the note and I was like, okay, of course it hurt.

It stabbed me to my core that, like, it wasn't good. I also didn't understand that like we're going to do 47 takes and we're going to use three pieces of like four of them and it's all going to be two seconds. Yeah, we take every moment so seriously like, oh my gosh, this is hours and hours of me just doing this and they're going to get the, and they just need the best moments for a few pieces. Yeah. And we forget that every time we're on set, don't we?

Yes, yes, we really do. We really do because we think someone's like like, like, um, like, like, What's that, what's that, uh, movie with, um, where they're watching him all this time? Being John Malkovich? No, well, yes, and, uh, they're watching. Oh, oh, oh, oh, TV, uh, Jim Carrey. Yes. Jim Carrey was called Truman Show.

Truman Show. Thank you, God, 2,600 weeks. Um, so Truman Show, you know, we think someone's watching us all the time and everything we do is being seen and judged and is going to be in front of it. And it's not. It's literally. But that takes a lot of courage to be, to mess it up. So did you, where you like after each take, did you say, Kevin, is it less eyebrow acting? Is that better?

No, no, no. I wasn't that communicative or confident at the time. So what I did is I literally, if you watch the first three episodes that I'm in in season eight, this is, I do this the whole time. Did you think you were going to get fired, by the way? Because I always feel like I'm going to get fired. I didn't. You didn't?

You didn't. Did you audition? for the part? I did. Because I had just done a CW pilot, I only had to test for Warner Horizon.

I only had to test for Warner. Really? But I did. But it was a weird test. Remember tests? Those aren't a thing anymore either. Yeah. They used to bring out the best in me,

though. And the great thing about, you know, I always will say I hate auditioning. And by the way, I read somewhere where you said you love auditioning. So let's get to that. But,

uh, Fuck you for that. Oh, God. Where did I say that? Sorry about my F-bomb folks, but I did. I said it. Yeah, can I set off F-bom? You can set off F-bombs.

I just try not to, but like you can say whatever you want to show. I just, I just try not to say F-bombs a lot. I'm getting better, right, Ryan? No, I get it. Yeah, I'm getting better. I don't think I F-bomb it too much or a Rosenbaum it too much. But what was I saying? Or I'm...

Something about auditioning. Oh, auditioning. Yes. I just get so worked up. And the greatest thing about being an actor sometimes you think is when you get an offer. And when you get an offer, you're like, oh, my God, I didn't have to audition for it. I'm so cool. Yeah, they just offered me the role.

But it's the hardest thing because then you're going on set blindly and you, you know, you don't know if what you're going to do is what they're looking for. And when you test or when you audition, you're giving them if they like you, this is what they want. So that's the, that's the, that's the, that's a tough. know that you were a choice you know you showed some cards and they were like I like those cards I want that person you can go in with some confidence do you going in with an offer is kind of going like am I being why am I being hired they just know I'm going to be good they just they're expecting greatness for me that's what that is they're like oh yeah we'll hire him because

he's good but they don't yeah I always thought whenever my agents would say something like this should be offer only part of my brain would go then i don't think i should do it why i mean i think that's someone else's part not like if if it was the kind of thing that oh you've done a lot of these kind of guest stars they should know you can do it so it should be offer only or you know this is not that it's beneath you but it's like stuff you've already done and my brain always went there are There are other actors coming up that need those roles to, like, get their chops to, like, figure it out. Are you saying you wouldn't accept an offer? Oh, God.

No, I mean, if I wanted to do the project, I would. Of course I would. Right. Yes. Did you, have you, by the way, quickly about auditioning. Why do you like it so much? Is it because of what we just talked about? Because you like to get a, that you want them to see what they're getting?

Or is it, do you just really like the pressure and stress and the bullshit of it all? And the rejection 90% of the time. This feels like maybe a one-sided argument. I don't like the, I don't like driving there. But no one does that anymore anyway. I don't like self-tapes nearly as much as I like going in the room. I just think I like performing. And when you're an actor in L.A.

and you're not working on anything. Auditions are your moment to perform. And yeah, sometimes they totally suck. Sometimes it's like an assistant with a latte and a dog doing the camera and reading with you. And you're like, who's going to see this? And how am I supposed to connect with someone? But sometimes you really have these really cool moments.

And I just have a lot of, I have a lot of feelings, a lot of like memories of coming out of auditions in my 20s in L.A. when I was like first starting out. And just feeling like I had just hit it out of the part. heart almost never booked it but that feeling was so visceral and like i don't know maybe it's like little girl from chicago but i was just like hey so did you always want to be an actress as a kid yes i did i did my mom lied when i was three and um said i was five and put me in ballet because i was gigantic and um and it worked i had no verbal skills but they didn't care they

I just thought I was a very not intelligent, five-year-old. And I got on stage and I just loved dancing. And then I got into acting. I started auditioning for movies when I was like nine. I got an agent in Chicago. I just loved it. Well, your brother's jealous. I know you have three brothers.

I do. I have two biological and one adopted. My adopted brother is not jealous because he runs a really awesome high school in Chicago and he could care less. I mean, he supports me, he loves me, but like, it doesn't matter. Don't you have a brother? I thought you had a brother that's an actor.

I have two brothers that are actors. Both my biological brothers are actors. Do they ask you for your help? Like, Kay, can you get me on righteous gemstones? No, but we work together a lot. And if they did ask me, I would say things like, I'd love to get whoever I want on the righteous gemstones or any show I'm on. I don't have that cloud.

You don't have that cloud? I think people think that you have that cloud. you the proverbial you because right when i'm on smallville they're like you know my friends are like hey but i'm like dude they're hiring 99% guest stars that are Canadian guest stars and i have no say at least i didn't have any say for years and years uh you know it's it's it's really tough i remember but finally i was the lead on a series and i was able to get a couple of my friends on the on the show on a show but it's it's very difficult to do that you have to have i mean look even Brad Pitt tries to get his friends and stuff

And it's it's it's not easy It's like you have to be right for the part That and I think you have to be one of like the producers It has to be your show Yeah I mean And even then you have to fight for things Because they'll be like well we can get someone With more Twitter followers

Twitter You're like Who uses Twitter anymore Wow I don't know They actually took away my verification Because I didn't tweet enough what that's impossible that's not a thing it is it's a total thing they did it to me you don't

tweet enough so they took away your verification they took away they took away they took away your checkmark is that what it is did you fight back and say hey i'm cassidy freeman no you didn't care no you don't post a lot twitter is like the lowest form of communication what's the highest form of communication. TikTok. Do you TikTok? I'm just kidding. No, I don't actually.

I don't. Are you not going to send any new baby Gigi TikToks? No. It's not in you. I mean, posting your kid online is like super controversial anyway. I'm just,

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we're here to explore the Wicked and Reveal the Grim. We are Wicked and Grim. Follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform. I think you're doing really well. You seem like you're really together. You're kind of like in your seat, kind of twisting around, doing your thing, you're, you're confident you seem like you just got your shit together like i know like i need to call you for advice this time 20 years later look you have my number you can always call me yeah anytime anytime

truthfully do you do you suffer from any anxiety do you deal with stress and i remember i know i heard something in an interview that you do have a little anxiety have you had anxiety since you were a kid and what does that feel like hmm i don't know we'd have to call my therapist to see how far back my anxiety. It's good you're going to therapy. It's good that you're doing therapy. I think everyone at some point in their life, or every week as I do, could benefit from talking to a therapist.

I say it all the time. It's a real therapy. Ryan, right here, Ryan, you don't see him, but my engineer, he goes to therapy. I go to therapy. You go to therapy. Yeah. It's not like everybody, it's right for everybody, but I think it is right for everybody. Yeah, again, not to project onto people what they should or shouldn't do with their

lives but um we used to live in communities with elders that's what elders were you know and you had a question or you like wondered something and you like went to the elder and the elder would give you advice because they'd lived life now people go to google and google is not an elder and either is ticot or some kid on you know whatever news streaming thing there is yeah no this is good this is good so but what about it no but anxiety wise is it something you have since you were a child i think i think so i think um i've always been someone who needed to uh do really well i had i had a lot of i i don't know from where it was imposed but this feeling of perfectionism which i think is like a um i think that's goes kind of pay in the hand with some

anxiety some people pleasing that's that's what i that's my issue is i'm always trying to perfect everything to be great at everything and it's just I suffer because it's impossible it's impossible to be great at everything to be perfect at everything to be perfect at anything it's it's there's no such thing and yet with me if I'm not great I feel like I failed and that is a terrible way to live your life and I have started to get better about it I'm starting you know I've been going a therapy and working on myself but how do you deal with that so what do you what do you work on what do you do that first of all you don't you don't give off that vibe just so you know and I think that's a well I can't or I won't work if no one wants to see someone who's just you know like that

but I try to be honest about it on this podcast I try to know that's that's brave I like that what do I do to battle that one of the things that I someone once asked me to do and I thought it was really useful was make a list mentally physically write things down I write in a journal that's like physical because I think that I think it does something different than typing actually being able to like write with your hand and then see it in a paper and tactile world which we're losing but I digress

someone told me make a list of the people that you admire and what you admire about them and how many of those reasons are because they're perfect like what are the things that make your skin you know you know when you watch something or you hear something or you see something and it just kind of makes your skin feel alive and you know that you're in the presence of realness,

whether that's like a concert you go see. We just saw Bonnie Vair in Asheville. It was so beautiful. Or it's a stage production or it's someone standing up for someone else's rights or it's, I don't know, it's just those things that I'm getting them now. And those like those feelings in your body where you're like, I'm in the presence of greatness. Very rarely is that greatness perfect.

Very rarely does that greatness look or smell or seem like how you think you should be in order to be perfect. And so if we started actually giving props and love and admiring the things that give us that feeling rather than the things that look a certain way or seem a certain way, I think we'd have a better connection to what is actually, and what is actually perfect than using quotation fingers. What do you write? When you write, what is it that you're writing down? Who is it that you're writing down? Oh, I write. I just write like, I write to me. I write like what I'm feeling that day.

I also write weird poetry. And sometimes things will just come to me and I'll just, I'll write them. What's weird? Why is it weird? I don't know. That's a great question. It's weird because sometimes it's campy or it rhymes. And I think that's kind of, you know, when you think of poetry, at least when I learned poetry in college and high school, it was like, the really avant-garde stuff was supposedly very smart and rhyming was more like, can't be in kid poetry or something.

Right, right. And sometimes really great poetry rhymes. Sometimes it's pleasing to the year. Sometimes when you're like, it's like, it's like, it's like rap or freestyling or, you know, someone's like going on this total. train and then they like hit that last word and it actually rhymes and there's another moment in your body when you're like oh she said what yeah dude you know it's so funny i'm thinking about this and i'm laughing out loud because it's so absurd the way i think i will write things and maybe inadvertently or on purpose i'll be writing something that's resembled that's resembled

poetry or something profound or something from the heart or something. And then I'll go, oh, my God, this is so pretentious. If anybody ever reads this, which they're not supposed to because it's just for me, it's just me writing to help express myself, but like, I don't want to be embarrassed when I'm dead. That's not crazy. It's stupid. It's why I erase it because I don't want anybody to ever read it.

And if they ever read it, they'll be just like, oh, my God, this guy is nuts. I have had this same exact. Why do we do that? I don't know anyone that hasn't had this thought, first of all. But I also kind of, like, I'll write things in code to myself so that, like, if someone found it, they don't know what I'm actually talking about them. I have done that, too. I have done that too with notes, with notes that I'm making.

I remember there were three girls, like, a long time ago that I was sort of seeing. But I, in case anybody saw the email, let's get down to it. They wouldn't know if they saw the piece of paper. or they wouldn't know that their names are on it. So in other words, if I was like kind of talking to a girl named Cassidy Freeman, I'd say free. And then I'd have, you know,

if somebody who's Margo, I put Gott. Right. That's right. I mean, so there's code. There's certain code that you put to protect yourself. But, you know, you'd hope that no one ever finds this stuff. I mean, if people found your stuff,

would you be mortified? I think that's part of the letting go of perfectionism. I think I think when I was in my 20s absolutely even most most of my 30s but I think now like if I if someone found it honestly the only thing I think is like if someone reads this it's because I'm dead right and who cares if you're dad and then I go like oh I want them to know authentic me oh wow and I'll go dark for a second my mom passed away 10 years ago and her journal is one of the only things I have left um we all all had it. She wrote on a computer because she was very pragmatic and like du-d-d-d-d-do. And she wrote a lot about the cattle that she raised, which was not super

personal. And you had a cattle ranch in Montana they had one, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yep. But like interspersed in between weights and like what cattle were doing well and what weren't. There would be these little moments where she'd be like, I spoke to Cassidy today. She sounds happy.

You know, or like, I don't know, I just, I loved getting to to see those little moments of her. So, you know, maybe this is all coming to me now that I'm a new mom, but I hope Gigi has like, I don't know, Gigi reads

my journals, first of all, I hope she has 10 years to do so because there's a lot of them. But I think it'll be cool for her to read my weird mind. But it sounds like it meant a lot to you to hear your mom's non-sequiters of these random thoughts of you that you were

on her mind that you were totally so that's that's pretty badass yeah yeah so keep writing in code if you have to okay but i think i think it's important do you get i don't think margot is gonna know that you wrote about it tell me about your anxiety though tell me about like what you what you deal with what does it feel like what does anxiety feel like for you control um i've often described myself as a loving controller right and that's not other people i don't like controlling people. I have no intention of doing that. It's more like situations. My brain will try and find the worst case scenario and then already figure out how to get out of the worst case scenario before the thing even starts. I know. Yeah. I can understand that.

And then I'll be like, I don't want to be caught with my like ass out. I don't want to be like, because why? I don't know why. Like those moments though when we do fall on our face and and shit goes sideways and we don't have control. Those are the most magical moments. What does that happen? When does that happen? When have you fell in your face?

One of you... I think it's why I love the stage. I think, and speaking specifically stage acting versus film acting. Although I think it's possible to find sometimes in film acting with the right circumstances.

That being said, when you start a play, a show, and the train leaves the station. And you're... Whatever happens, on stage happens. A light doesn't come, you slip, you fall,

your prop's not there, your partner goes up, like, you know, it's just it's so, it's full improvisation, which is probably why I love the job I'm doing right now so much, the gemstones because these mother suckers are incredible improvisers

and everything is just in the moment. And sometimes I find myself frustrated that I'm not, I don't feel, I feel, I feel like slow, in their presence often because it's like their brains are going so fast because they're not trying to figure out how not to how to fix things. They're just like super in the moment. But it's great practice. Do you ever get embarrassed? Do you ever get devastated? Do you ever feel overwhelming

emotions or numbness or tingling with anxiety or with just acting or anything like that? I have gigantic emotions Yes Gigantic explain gigantic emotions Emotemotions Yeah I don't These also happened as a kid Because in our house

My parents kind of didn't believe That big emotions did a lot for you Which is probably why we're all actors So in other words you'd lash out I don't care I hate you're like well that's not working for you No it was really anger wasn't really where we were I went, at least.

I would go to, like, sadness. Because I think when we're kids were, like, really tapped into things unlike when we're adults. If I cried at something, it would often be like, that's not going to do anything for you. Like, it doesn't, it doesn't. Your parents would say that. They'd say that's not going to do anything for you? No, my mom made me wear a shirt, my mother, who I love very much. Whenever I cried, she made me put a shirt on that had the word snibbling with a circle and a line for it.

we don't do this we don't do this we don't snivel it's not going to help you maybe that's what made you so tough and made you feel like like you call it a tomboy or whatever like like be wearing the boys because you don't do you not cry that much are you not a crier oh no I'm I'm a prior you're you're emotional in front of Ben your husband yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I especially in the last year with the hormones that have been my reality like I remember right after I had Gigi um someone, oh, it was the Olympics, which are very controversial, I guess. But I love the Olympics. And I love, like, I love watching the Olympics.

My brother and I used to just watch them, Clark. My middle brother was just watch them obsessively. They come on, and everyone right after postpartum was like, have you started sobbing yet? And I looked at Ben and I was like, why do people keep asking me that? Like, I'm not going to sob. And then this commercial comes on. commercial for the Special Olympics and it was about a pair of brothers

and one of them started to go blind and the other brothers stayed with him and they were doing some like long-distance skiing competition and they won the gold in the Special Olympics and at the end of this 30-second commercial I am sobbing uncontrolled. Oh, yeah. So yeah, I cry.

I cry commercials, but I'm not like if what you're asking is do I do I immediately go there I don't. But you said gigantic emotions. Yeah, they're just big. They're big emotions. Yeah. Do you have any breakdowns? Have you ever

broken down on set? No. And at work, I don't do that. Well, have you ever broken down when you leave set to go in your trailer? I've broken down on the drive home. And because you're reliving the day. You're reliving what you did and you feel like you failed? No, no. Usually

something happened on set that something was handled in a way that didn't feel safe to me in the moment and I'm not talking anything serious I'm just talking like someone wasn't as nice to me or someone didn't give me enough time to get ready or someone

you know I've never experienced like any kind of neglect or abuse on set in that way but do you remember Cy Peck no he was the he was the on Smallville he may not have been there when you were there but I think he was.

He was the PA for like the set PA, the base camp PA who would like hang out at trailers and stuff. And he would always knock on my door and say like, they're ready when you are. And I was at the beginning and be like, okay, like immediately busting out the door and like ready to go and so eager. And he was like the sweetest man in maybe his 40s early. I'd no idea how old he was.

And he kind of pulled me aside at one point and he said, Cassidy, don't be so ready all the time. And I was like, what do you mean? She was like, just take a minute. Take your time. Wow. I've never heard a first AD or second AD or any AD ever say that in the history of film. I know.

Usually it's like we need you. They need you on set. And I'm usually pretty good. I'm usually like, you know, within a minute or two, I'm good. But I always say this. Because after you get to be to do a lot of projects, after you're on set for a lot of hours, a lot of days, a lot of days, lot of years you start to question authority a little bit and you start to say things what you're supposed to what you say sigh did they really need me on set right now or is no one else on

set right now and i'll be the first one and i'll be waiting for 15 minutes and then sye will say uh you could probably wait a few minutes i go why don't you get me after they've gotten anyone everyone else or in somewhere in the middle. Yep. So you're not wasting time because a lot of time on set is wasted time. I could not agree with you more. And I remember Tom actually being really a great leader in that way, where if he got called the set and he got to set and he had to wait more than 10 minutes,

he would turn around and go back to his trailer. Yeah. And make them wait. It was funny because at first I was like, I don't know. And then I was like, oh, that's so smart. It's a lot of wasted time. You're very right. And I will always remember Sye for that reason.

Do you like watching yourself? Like when I'm watching, like. But when you're watching Gemstones or Longmai or Smallville or. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love it. I love it for a number of reasons. I love it because I get to relive the fun of doing it. I love it because I get to see what I did and kind of go like,

ooh, maybe next time. Or I get to see the real moment. that I like to study myself and others. I don't love watching myself with other people. I know, I get that, I get that. Unless you watched it already and you know you're good, then you can watch it with other people. And you're like, watch this.

This is going to be good. Yes, but when you're in that weird horror movie that you don't know how it's going to turn out and they're like, come to our screening. And they're like, I will bring no one to that. Have you watched yourself? Thank God, God, I am awful. Yeah.

Oh, absolutely. You have? Yeah. What have you thought you were awful in if that's the right thing? You watched yourself and just been like, ooh. Have you done that? I'll be honest. The things that kind of make me cringe are like sexy stuff.

I don't have, I'm not good at watching myself. So when you're sexing it up, you don't want anybody to see it, nor do you want to see yourself. No. So you just kind of like going up. I don't have to see that. Who did you sex it up on Smallville with anybody? Like, I'm my own dad. I'm like, I don't want to see that.

I can't see that. Yeah, I feel like I sexed it up with everyone on Smallville. What? We were like, well, we haven't really done. Yeah, I had a whole thing with Zod and I had a thing with Justin with Green Arrow. And then there was an alternate universe where Tom and I, Clark Kent and I. Wait, you made out. With Tom?

Yeah. How was that? Epic. I love that you just say that. You just like epic where people were like, it was fine. It was Tom was really professionally. He was like, it was epic. It was epic.

No, I say that because I actually have a funny story. You remember Kelly Sounders. Of course. And Brian Peterson. Kelly was directing that episode. It's just so embarrassing. I can't believe I'm going to share it. You got to share it now.

I mean, this is the being messy. Don't be perfect. So Tom and I were always like friends, but obviously he's incredibly attractive man and everyone on that show is attractive. Let's just be honest. That's why it's on the CW. It's a comic book show.

It was hard to be on. I always felt like I was the ugly duckling. I did forever. Oh, my God. Yeah, but go on. It's not about me. Are you serious? I swear to God, I always felt like,

oh, my God, they're going to fire me because I'm not as good looking as everybody else. that's how I felt in the beginning and then I thought okay you're pretty decent they're not going to fire you but it took time you should have called me because literally everyone was like oh you're here because Michael left good luck no they did not oh yeah oh yeah they did everyone you'll never be as good of an actor he's the best actor we've ever had on this show what people on the show together I'm not kidding I'm not even like blowing a smoke up your skirt they really I was like oh dang I better bring my A game game to match Rosenbaum. Well, that's nice to you to say. It was, yeah, so you were, you were greatly loved. But Tom, I think, Tom and I were buddies. And so the, and I don't think we ever thought our characters would ever go to this place.

So then when it was written in the script that it was like an alternate universe, and it wasn't even, it, there was nothing, like, romantic about it or, like, sweet. It wasn't like all of his and Lois's stuff where they're like, smooch and, like, sparkles around. It was very like they already were dating and the alternate universe versions were like obviously like hardcore into each other. So the scenes were like one of us would come and be the real and the other one would be the alternate. And so one of one was very taken aback by the other one being very forward. And there's this one scene where Tom comes into my office as alternate Tom and like takes me and like aggressively kisses me and I'm like, you know, test mercer in the real world is like, what is happening? and I'm supposed to be like really shocked and appalled and like gross out

and about three takes in Kelly pulls me aside and she's like hey so talk to me about what you think Tess is feeling this moment and I was like I feel like Tess is like surprised but also like trying to be strong but doesn't really know what's happening

and she goes okay cool because you're just smiling the whole and I was like she's like ear to ear really big smiles and I was like okay like so embarrassing oh my god but he we both were very professional and um tom you know there's certain yeah it's nice when you can trust and be friendly with the person but watching

it was tough by the way last mobile question then we can move on to gemstone because i want to hear a few things because uh did you were you friendly with alison mac yeah you guys were We used to, like, we used to dog sit each other's dog. Really? I was strangely more, more communicative with her boyfriend Chad. At the time, right? At the time. Yeah, Allison always had a lot going on.

And that didn't, you know, that was fine. She had meetings. She had girl groups that I think I was invited to once. And I, it just wasn't, wasn't my vibe. But she never, she never got you to go into a, of those nexium things you never asked you to do that nothing never said hey this could be right for you no no and i actually remember asking her um she invited me to like a ladies day at her house and i couldn't come for some reason i don't know if i was out of town or something and part of me

kind of felt like oh i'm i'm left out but then i was like i don't know the ladies day is my vibe um yeah so i just didn't i didn't go and i'm glad i didn't but i also i remember once asking like oh what are you doing over hiatus? And she was like, I'm going to a poetry camp in New York. And I was like, cool. Conversation ended there. Really? Yeah, I guess.

It was a shock to everybody. That's why I just kind of, I was just a little curious as to since you're in the final seasons, if there were any kind of like communications about it or like, hey, this would be right for you, try this out because who knows? I mean, I always say, like, when I watched the documentary, because I had no idea that, hey, you know, insecure Rosenbaum, this is a, this is a thing that might be good for me. And then all of a sudden you start to watch it, you realize it's not what it is. But you don't know that going in.

You think, oh, these people are really supportive and it's building competence. And it's all the, you don't know what it is. And then you see the, the outcome and you're just, you know, it's jaw dropping. So I just was curious. That and, no, I had, I had no idea that that was going on, none whatsoever. And I guess I wasn't what they were looking for. but I remember later coming back to Vancouver for a wedding and I hooked up for brunch with some people from the show

and we were having brunch and one of the women was like basically told me like you know Allison's in a cult that brands people and I was like no of course that's what everybody said no I was like what are you talking about no and then like six months later it came out yeah wow um but yeah She had a dog named Phantom, and I had Shasta, and they were buds. She was always, you know, we didn't hang out a lot outside of set, but she was always really nice on set. By the way, random, non-sequitur, if Longmire came to you and said, we want to do a movie, the Longmire movie or a short new series, would you do it? Yeah.

You would. Absolutely. You loved doing it. I did. Who did you love working with on that show? I loved working with a lot of our directors were really awesome, very talented, very efficient. Chris Chulak was, he did our pilot and a lot of our season finale. Our camera department, Jimmy Muro was one of our DPs.

And he, he's like a legend. He was like the original camera study cam operator And he Whenever he directed He was sometimes he couldn't find words He'd be like And I'd be like

Yes I think I know what you mean And I think I'm going to make that happen But he just had so much passion And he has such a beautiful eye with the camera Cameron Duncan was our other DP Who was incredibly talented as well And our crew was so badass And I

I love working Adam Bartley's like a brother to me. He played the Ferg and he and I not only came from stage and, you know, we're both cherubs, different years. We just, we came, we were cut from the same cloth and it felt really familiar and fun to be with him. And Katie Sackoff is a total supporter, rad chick to be on the show with. Yeah, she's rad. She's been on the show a couple of times.

She's, she's an awesome, awesome person. Yeah, we're still, we're still dear friends and I can't believe we had kids so close. together and I can't think of anyone that wasn't awesome Lou Diamond Phillips is a sweetheart and so like eager to do new things

and Rob is just Rob Rob is Robert Taylor who is our sheriff all the way from Australia he was just authentic as hell you light up and I said I mentioned Longmire I just didn't have to say much you just kind of open up about wow

it sounds like you would do this in a heartbeat this was like a family to you yeah yeah they really were i love it they really were a family but the gemstones the righteous gemstones your amber gemstone you're you're playing in a with a legendary cast with john goodman and danny mcbride your danny mcbride's wife amber um i haven't watched all of it i've watched two episodes i was kind of just blown away it's just kind of absolutely nuts and i understand what you say when it's like you get a little bit it's it's overwhelming sometimes and all these people who their minds just keep going

and keep going and you're trying to play catch up. What is that, paint the picture where you're in a scene and everybody's improvising. What do you do? Do you try to step up and you're trying to be on their level? You're just like, know your lines, know the scene, know where it's going and just

react. Listen and react. What do you do? Because you never know what's coming at you with Danny McBride. You don't. You don't. No, you don't. And I love that. This is, it is an, it is an incredible cast of people to be working with. I feel so lucky. I have, by the way, I have to be honest with you. I'm going to, I'm only cutting me off for a second,

then I want you to continue. Cut me off. Do it. When I watch it, I, I love John Goodman. He's one of my favorites of all time. He's just a brilliant actor. But when I see him on this set in the hot Charleston, South Carolina, I have to imagine he's the biggest pain in the ass in the world and wants to be upset. Like, I could just imagine him wanting, like, going, get me off this set. Are we done here? No. No, he's so, he's the opposite.

He is. Thank God. I thought for sure he'd be miserable. Oh, no, we're always worried. We're like, are we going to really, are we going to give John Heathstroke? Are we like, what's happening? Because he won't leave set. He'll be like, no, let's do it again.

Let's do it again. And someone will be like, let's rest in the cooling tent. And that's like, you know, have a drink of water. Good. let's go like he's so he's so dedicated he's really hard on himself and a really like an interesting way i don't want to say cute or adore like i i i like it because i identify with it someone who holds themselves to high standards i think you probably can too given our conversation right um he's not at all he is he is such a team player uh almost to a fault almost almost sometimes to

uh to all of us because because we you know those are very hot days and this season in particular, which we just started shooting. I just had my first week of work last week. We started the season in June, so it is a scorcher out there. By the way, what do you do, though? What do you, like, how do you not, first of, how do you not laugh? Well, finish your thought, Dan, I'm sorry. Finish your thought on the improv, and it's all around you,

and people are throwing shit around you, and what are you feeling like? Yeah, look, if I, that's a good question on what do I do. do in that moment because there have been other interviewers or people who have kind of described Amber specifically actually Eli and Amber as sort of meaning John Goodman's character being the straight people in like a wacky world

I actually think Amber is wacky in her own way but she's not the same kind of wacky so if Cassidy was doing an improv with Edie and Danny and Adam and Tim and you know that would be I would maybe act differently but Amber

is not trying to one up. Amber is, um, she watches and then she makes like these strikes whenever she calculating. Calculating. So. Yes, she's calculating. That's a great. It's a great work. And she, and she, but she's also emotional and she, and she's sensitive. Um, everyone in the show is. It's just, I love that this kind of comedy is comedy based in these characters being really real in their own world and mind. But to the, to the, you know, to the outside. world so the people who are watching it they are out of their fucking minds but in their own mind in their own world are so cool danny m bride is my favorite

comedian now i tested for eastbound and down for the last season and almost got it and he came up to me at a party and was like you don't know how close you were we were going to get you cast you got to bring you in something else and then there was something that they were auditioning or uh i was up for for this season of of gemstones, but I couldn't do it because I'm not available, but I'm like, it was like, I know it's awesome, it's some kind of cousin character, some kind of crazy, you probably know already, don't you?

Why aren't you available? I know, wouldn't that be awesome? I mean, it's just like that. But he is like my, it's like my dream to work with him and just go, just be on the set with him. And like, what is something you remember? Can you remember something? How hard A is it to keep a straight face

when he's improvising and throws shit at you? how often do you break character and laugh and see what's the funniest thing he's ever said that you remember that you just could not keep a straight face okay a how do I not laugh I do laugh and I does it get mad actually no no no no no no one ever gets mad at laughing I feel worse when I laugh off camera because then I'm fucking it up for them um because I can't hold it in I know Amber, I think, does a lot of, like, looking down because Cassidy is going to lose her mind. What was B? B was what happened. We laugh a lot. There's a lot. There's a lot of laughing, especially, I think the amount of laughing during improvisations in that show could be directly linked to what time of day it is that we're shooting. So those 3 a.m. scenes where we're all just like super loop, you were going to have to just like add. an hour to that day because there's going to be a lot of laughing and no one gets mad i can't think

and i'm going straight to see i'm really going to answer your questions here i don't think there's one thing that i can think that danny has said that has made me the things that make me laugh the most honestly is when he laughs when something tickles him it it's the greatest thing ever have you made him laugh yeah yeah yeah i have and it makes me and he'll tell me about it too that's also what I love. He'll like text me or be like, oh, I love that part. He's so, he's so kind and he's so gracious. And he has no sense of like, uh, ego or it's just, it's just really incredibly warm and inviting and safe. Uh, and he'll let you know when you did a great job and it. Wow. It just feels really nice. Uh, I love it. Uh, Righteous Gemstone season four is coming out.

Three. Season three. I don't want to jump the gun. We're shooting season three. right now. We lost a year to COVID. Right, right. Quickly, vampire diaries, do you go to Comic-Conns? Do you ever sign autographs for Vampire Diaries? Do people ever come up and notice you from Vampire Diaries? We just took a hard left turn.

We did. Yeah, they, I don't sign autographs for vampire diaries not because I wouldn't. I just have never really been asked. And I do get recognized by very specific. I can, a fun game when someone goes like, I love your word, is for me to go, what are they talking about? Do they know me?

That's a fun game. Yeah. I go like, what do I think they've seen? Don't you love when people come up to you and go, what have I seen you in? That's just like, oh, come on. Don't come up to me. Don't do it. Don't fucking do it.

Just, you know what? If you recognize me from something, come up to me and say, I loved you on that. or I liked you on that, or you could have been better on that. But don't say, what do I? Because I look like an idiot coming up with what I think you saw me in. That's a horrible thing to do. I go to Smallville. You should do is go to IMDB Pro and just look me up.

And then you tell me. You tell me that you know me. Because I've said most of the time ago, oh, it's got to do Smallville. Like a Smallville, no, no. I did that once. And when I was first on Smallville and I was like, well, I'm in Small Bell. And they were like, it's not that. And I think they actually knew me from like the neighborhood, which was really embarrassing.

But no, no one does that to me. That's awful. I think that's an L.A. thing now. I think people do that in L.A. because they assume when they recognize them when it's from something. Right. Living in Santa Fe and being in the South a lot for Charleston in Charleston and the surrounding area, a lot of people will go.

Now, are you in my church group? How do I know you? Did you go to school with my son? And I'll be like, did you watch a show called Longmire? And they'd be like, oh, hell, yeah, I did. That's exactly what I'm thinking. Yeah. Oh, you're Katie Longmire.

No. You're, or this is best. Your Longmire's, dur. Dirk. That's the word, der. I got that last week. You're Longmire's, dur. I just, I loved that.

I was watching. He was on, it's on Turlet. This is called shit talking with Cassidy Freeman, folks. If you're a Patreon, if you're a top Patreon, go to patreon.com slash incite. You get to ask questions. The top tiers get to ask questions. And thanks for the support of the podcast.

This is shit talking with Cassie Freeman. This is rapid fire. We're going to ask you fan questions. And you just, boom, rapidly go. This has been terrific. It's going by so fast. Nico, what's one of your biggest pet peeves? Ooh.

For some reason, I want to say nails on a chalkboard, but no one actually ever does that. I just hate that sound. Yeah, that's bad. Chewing. One of my pet peeves is people telling you what you should do. People telling you what you should do. You know what you should do?

Yeah. Yeah. People always say that. You know, I do that too. Well, you know what you should do, Ryan? You're like, you should go up yourself because I ain't listening to your stupid advice. Oh, my God. You should totally, like, you know, get your chart read by this person.

Oh, my gosh. You have to get these sneakers. They'll make your back feel better for days. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah. Little Lisa. Can you please share any funny behind-the-scenes stories while filming Smallville? Anything funny quickly?

Funny. Yeah. Justin Harley trying to lift me in his green arrow shoes that were heels and both of us almost falling over every single time. That's funny. Amazing. Super Sam. Tess went through a huge change from her introduction to the final episode to the point of being completely different person at the end. Did you know that would be happening when accepting the role?

No, I had no idea what Tess Mercer's journey was going to be. And I thought it was really cool when she kind of became part of Watched Her. When did you find out that Lex Luthor was going to come back in season 10 and kill you? We're talking about ourselves in the third person. You are? You certainly are. Not until very late. Honestly, there was a lot of talk of whether you would do it.

I called them two weeks before or a week and a half before or something like that and I just said hey you guys got me for next Friday whatever you want to do you have me for the full day yeah

that was it I hope Rosie's back I want Rosie back yeah and we got to do a scene out of all that time we got to do a scene together and I got to kill my sister and I got to erase your memory

you did you bitch Will F OMG I love Longmire how was it working with Robert Taylor what you already said, the Loon Diamond Phillips. You already said that. Okay, well, done.

You love them. Bob, Kay, any possibility of a Longmire movie? I asked that, too. And you said you would do it if it was approached. I would do it. I have no idea. I hear you. Raj, tell me about a time

someone unexpectedly showed you kindness. That's a beautiful question. There really is, and it's something we don't think about often, isn't it? It really is something we don't think about often. It could be anything.

If you're opening the door for you, it could be... Right. Well, I was going to say I've been traveling a lot with my newborn alone. And the amount of people who have offered to help me with my bags, hold her, snap that carrier thingy on my back, help me put a car seat in a bag. Like, they're really men and women. There are plenty of people who breeze by me, not giving a fuck. But the people that ask are really fine. And that's, I think it gives me warm.

Buzzies. Love you in Gemstones. I asked you this, but this person wants to know how hard is it not to break character in that show? Honestly, is it a hard? Is it a very difficult thing to kind of keep that face, to keep in character? I mean, you get you, you get used to it, and you kind of get to know what kind of jokes each character might come up with. But then there are some things that just hit you sideways and everyone loses their minds. Like if you've seen the beginning of season two, which you haven't, but you might, um,

there's this whole scene about Disney characters. That's all I'll say. None of that was written. And it was hilarious. Really, it just goes on and on. It just goes on and on. I think our camera department must hate us. Because we just never, we just keep going.

So you don't cut. The video still rolls and rolls for, if you have a one-page scene, it might be 20 minutes for that one scene. That's correct. So you never know. look, you know the scene has already ended and you're still doing this scene. Yes, that's right.

And you like doing it. Yes. Yes. Yeah, because that's where the magic happens. Is it exhausting, though? It is exhausting, isn't it? You know what's exhausting is take 15 is exhausting. You would hope that it could be a little shorter.

No, the improv, the improv days are not exhausting. That I think, I mean, I'm speaking from me. I think the crew would tell you differently. For me, those days are not exhausting. The exhausting days are the logistical days where you're like, everyone's walking in and this person and that person. You know, you don't say anything, but you're like, you've got to do things over and over again to get timing right.

That can be exhausting, but it's all part of the process. You know, so many people ask me, when is Cassidy Freeman coming on the podcast? I've really, I've truly had that question asked quite often. And I'm so glad that you and I finally got a chance to sit down and talk. It's been a tremendous treat. I hope it was fun for you. Super fun. I feel like we could go on and on.

I really do. But we'll save that for maybe next time. Great. We'll definitely do it next time. I'm so proud of you. I'm so happy for you and Ben and Gigi. She's the cutest little girl. And is it difficult working?

Does it make working harder when you have a little one? Learning lines, all those things. Nah. She makes everything better. What an answer. Perfect answer. Thank you for allowing me to be inside of you today. This has been a real treat. Listen. Yes, feelings mutual. All right. I love you and I wish you only the best and we will talk soon. Okay, great.

Okay. Bye. All I can say is I love Cassidy Freeman. She's cool. That was a fun interview. she's such a sweetheart it's cool now that i'm starting righteous gemstone's season two it's cool uh seeing her in it having talked to her now she's really good in that she's really funny yeah i had an opportunity to maybe be on that show and i turned it down opportunity for the you know yeah yeah

you got let my anxiety get in the way folks uh anyway uh that was really fun uh if you want to listen to all the information i gave you in the uh opening of this podcast just really wind go back there's tons of stuff about the inside of you online store and patreon make sure you join patreon to support the podcast if you can it really helps i love my patrons go to patreon.com inside of you right now i'm going to do a little reading of all the top tier names who make this podcast really possible also thank you to westwood one our cumulus and to ryan taas to bryce my producer congratulations he just had a little baby beckham So, Bryce Mahler's, make sure you send him a message congratulating him.

Cute little baby. And I'm very happy for him and Logan. And, yeah, I love the guy. That's cool. Yeah, he's good. Beckham's the name of the baby. Beckham. Beckham.

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