Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - TIM BLAKE NELSON: Overcoming Complacency, Breaking Type Cast & Intimidations on Set

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

Tim Blake Nelson (Old Henry, O Brother, Where Art Thou?) joins us this week to share his experience in this industry as a respected character actor and the on-set lessons learned from masters of their craft like Steven Spielberg, Daniel Day-Lewis, and Tom Cruise. Tim shares how James Franco helped pull him out of creative complacency during a lull, helping him develop his new approach of preparing for roles. We also talk about his last minute addition to ‘O Brother, Where Art Thou?,’ collaborating with his son Henry on ‘Asleep in My Palm,’ and his reaction to being cut out of ‘Dune 2.’ Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🦰 Nutrafol: https://nutrafol.com + "inside" 🍽️ Factor: https://factormeals.com/inside50 🧠 Neurohacker: https://neurohacker.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🏈 PrizePicks: https://prizepicks.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Good to see you. Good to see you too. We just did a podcast. We did. A different one than you're going to listen to right now. That's right. But it was really informational. Information.

That's a word. Informative. Also a word. Yeah. Thanks for listening to the podcast, guys. Thanks for tuning in. We've got a loyal fan base. And it's because of a lot to do with the patrons who support the show.

if you want to go to patreon.com slash inside of you to support the podcast and keep it going. You're the reason why it keeps going. And you listeners, I really appreciate you. If you're here for Tim Blake Nelson, you're in for a doozy, a dandy. He's awesome. I've always been a big fan of his. Oh, brother, we're out there. Or art thou, Buster Scrubs, uh, Captain America.

Scrubs. Scruds. Scrugs. I said scrugs. No, I didn't. Scrugs. Scrugs. Scrugs.

Scrugs. Scrugs. Uh, asleep in my palm. His son's directorial day. that he's in, really good stuff here. Captain America, Brave New World, which comes out in 2025, much, much more. He's so, such a sweet man and so, so talented. It was really cool having him here. I think you're going to really enjoy this conversation. If you haven't listened before, if you could review the podcast, if you could, you know, write a review. If you could

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played this character. I just, I was blown away. I thought this was the, the sleeper hit of the year. It was like one of these little movies that you hope people see. And I was like, I got to, I got to get him on here. Well, thanks. And it actually, uh, I'm not taking credit for this. It's, uh, Potsie Ponsoroli, the, the writer director and his great producing team with, um, Shannon Houchins and the D.P. John Matashack and Scott Hayes and Stephen Dorf. It was a really good supporting, a really good cast. And then also, when I was cast and was reading the script when I got to the end and understood who I actually was, I suddenly became somewhat trepidacious because I thought, well, can I really play this character?

And then I learned that he was about my build. And I'm not, let's just say I'm not tall. And so then I worked with this wonderful makeup artist with whom I've done about a dozen projects at this point, including Captain America four, which is going to be coming out next year, which was a huge job. for him uh and we just started to try to figure out how to make it work and you know with obviously

potsey's approval and um we had months and months of preparation and and built a a character who seems credible enough anyway to to um for the movie to succeed i i bought into it a million percent i was i was blown away and i i read that You talk about months of preparation, you seem to be the kind of guy, the kind of actor that really dives deep into your roles. First of all, is there any role where you just go, I could do this in my sleep. I don't need to work on this. There were too many of those.

In fact, it became a problem. And I credit my friend James Franco with helping me get out of that rut. uh because at a point in my career when i'd become somewhat complacent uh and and was would would get roles and and say to myself okay well i i know how to do that and i'll just put it through my process and uh and the process wasn't an adequately deep one for some of the roles i was being offered at that point. And so I was doing roles and I was fine. And then James and his producing partner, Vince Joe Levitt, called me to do this film called Child of God based on the Cormac McCarthy novel with Scott Hayes. That's where I met the actor, Scott Hayes, who gives a wonderful

performance as Lester Ballard in that movie. And I recommend it for Scott's performance. And And I went to West Virginia to shoot this with James, who was financing the movie himself out of his own pocket. And it was a stripped down crew. They were making the film for under $500,000 shooting on Canon 5D cameras with really good glass with this wonderful D.P. named Christina Voros, who now directs and shoots for Yellowstone. So she certainly ascended. And it reminded me of the basics of why I'd gotten into acting in the first place. And I looked down on, so I was up on this mountain. And I looked down at our

base camp. And it was stripped down. There were maybe a dozen people down there. And, And there was a single white tent where all the actors were, that was our holding area. It was also craft service. It was where we were going to have lunch. And I thought, oh, this is it. This is the basics of storytelling stripped down. And it truly is all about what we performers are bringing to it and the purity of solving problems aesthetically in straightened circumstances. with a stripped down production.

And I just from that moment on said, I'm not going to waste another opportunity at a role I'm offered. And then I worked with Daniel Day Lewis soon after that, doing Lincoln. Yeah. And I put the two concepts together. And I've treated the work very differently ever since.

And yeah, now it is months of prep. I learned the entire script before the first day of photography, no matter how. Every line inside out. And I can at this point, I won't go on to a set unless I can, without even looking at the text of the script, unless I can go through the entire movie, every scene of my character, and just play it in my head because I found that only then do I have the ability to work with a scene partner or scene partners and be so relaxed and so comfortable and so confident with the material that they can surprise me, I can surprise them, we can surprise one another, and also it allows for a role to seep into me. over weeks and weeks and ideally months and it's been a much better process for me and i've been able to give more to the movies that have asked me to join yeah i'd say it's it's a lot of nuances

it's those little things that you bring out that come out i i you know it's funny i do that for different reasons i learned the entire script because i'm a neurotic i'm a nervous wreck before i start filming. I have to know every line in the entire movie or show or whatever I'm doing inside out. Because at least then I could put that aside and say, you know the material. It's there. And that helps me. And it's really, I do that for my nerves. But I guess subconsciously, it's also maybe I do it because it's just, it's better as an actor. I think it certainly is better, at least maybe for you and me, others have a different approach and to great effect. I know one actor whom I won't name and he's wonderful and I love him and he's delivered

extraordinary performances over the years who resolutely will not learn a script and has somebody a quarter of a mile away on a headset who's feeding him his life. lines into an earwig because he feels that this mimics what the brain does and that we have a notion of how we want to respond and then we articulate. Now there's the there's also the notion that there's nothing faster than thought and so that maybe arrests that process because as you're hearing and then delivering. Yeah. But this actor gives great performances.

But how do you, does that bother you as an actor who, because I take it that sometimes the lines that are in, you know, said in the headset, it takes longer for it to process before you get a response? It does. And then I think you have to, um, enure yourself. to that and allow it to inform what it is that you do in a way that's constructive and not oppositional. And so I found working with him fine. Wow. I would certainly, I would hire him if I was directing something and I'd certainly embrace the opportunity to work with him again.

I've worked with him a few times. Wow. Do you ever get intimidated? Do I ever get it? Yeah. I guess I do. Nervous. Yeah. Weirdly on Lincoln, I was intimidated. Weirdly. Weirdly. Weirdly.

It's Stephen Spielberg directing me in a scene with Daniel Day Lewis. And yeah, I was certainly intimidated by that. And that was nothing against Stephen or Daniel. They were doing all they could to make me feel comfortable. although I should say it was the president because it wasn't Daniel, it was Abraham Lincoln talking to me in his way and but generously and saying, oh, just don't you worry about a thing. You just be comfortable in this room and in his Lincoln voice, which was great. What did you learn from working with Spielberg or working with Daniel Day Lewis?

because you probably at this at that point i mean you went to juliarg for god's sakes i mean you studied you know the craft you you're a playwright you're an actor you're a director you're all these things uh but do you know they always say you learn something from everything whether a project's good whether it's bad whatever it is but when you're working with those that caliber of a director right what what do you learn well i've done two movies with stephen and i always have said What's most remarkable about him is the bandwidth of his understanding of every aspect of just the apparatus of capturing images and sound on a movie set. The whole, he understands all of it. I don't believe, other than perhaps acting, that there's anything Stephen doesn't know how to do and wouldn't be able to step in and do it.

I mean, I think the guy could probably sew a button on an overcoat. He could operate the boom. He could do a passable job at makeup and hair. He can certainly operate. There was one day when he was on the wheels on a remote head operating a very complicated shot that was not only on a zebra head, but on a crane. And so the guys were moving the crane and Stephen was operating the head on these two wheels, one for tilting and one for panning as the crane was moving in a shot with Tom Cruise and me that ended up in a close up on Tom. Minority report. And minority report.

That's right. So a complicated camera move. And he had jumped on the wheels and was doing it. so and and and and he's known stephen for for going around two department heads and even seconds and thirds in departments and saying asking what would make your job easier what what what what's difficult about what you do and then he'll come up with um ideas and solutions uh little inventions And he never gets exhausted. I mean, he just seems like he's always going, going.

He is. There was, and he expects that from others. There was a moment on Minority Report when I was about 30 feet up in the air on this moving platform in a wheelchair. And I hadn't had a lot of time to practice. I'd come in a couple of days to work with the wheelchair, so I was pretty good with that. but I didn't I hadn't I didn't know when I was working with the wheelchair that I was going to ride out drive myself out onto this platform that would then move out into space 30 feet in the air with Tom and me and so I moved out on the platform and I had all this dialogue because my character was a bit of a motor mouth and I became anxious as I went out onto the platform and I went up on my lines. So he said, cut. And he looked up at me from below. And he said, what was going on? What happened there? And I said, sorry, I was just a little nervous when I got

out onto the platform. And he said, okay, well, you've had one to be nervous. And it wasn't mean. it was basically letting me know that on his set there's a certain level of professionalism and there are certain expectations and that was okay that I'd been nervous and no problem but let's let's not allow that to happen again and again it was not wasn't intimidating it was not well it was a little intimidating because it was Stephen right and but there was nothing unfriendly about it. He was just stating a fact. And I got it right the next time. And we were okay. Or I was okay. And Tom never makes mistakes. Does he really not make mistakes? He's just, he's amazing. He's just such a pro. Inside of you is brought to you by Quince.

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And it's perfectly fair because he's. bringing that level of expertise, diligence, and preparation himself. I guess that's why he hires a lot of great people around him because some people, some actors might take that direction or that, hey, it's okay, you're nervous once. Some other actors might freeze up or like now and they're in their head. How do you not get in your head on the next take? Yeah, that may be true. Maybe it's part of his selection process that he's able to infer who's going to be able

to handle his, his, the demands of being on his set. And yet at the same time, it's also the, his manner. I mean, he's, he's a great guy. Yeah. So, uh, even when he was letting me know that, there wasn't really. Yeah. Yeah. What about Daniel de Lewis? Is there any little thing that when you're, do you ever find yourself because you're supposed to be listening as an actor? But when you're, when you're, when you're acting with Daniel de Lewis, do you ever, are you so enamored sometimes by? is it like you're like wow i'm acting with this with this guy the transformation is so comprehensive molecular i would say that you don't even feel like you're with an actor you feel like you're with the person and i i i defy anyone to challenge me on that and say

oh he's full of shit that's it's it of course it's an actor how do you how do you um not understand that it's an actor unless you're a complete raving idiot. But it felt as though I were with the president of the United States. And I remember John Hawks saying to me at the end. And John and I were, had every scene was John and I had scenes always, we were always together, including the ones with Daniel. And he said, well, we never met Daniel. We only met the president of the United States. And that was absolutely true. And I found all the demands associated with Daniel appearing on a set, like no, in particular, no anachronism. So you couldn't, T-shirts weren't allowed. Only dark shoes.

And, um, no jeans, uh, no paper cups or paper plates. It had to be in that period. No. No. Yeah. It wasn't no, he, it wasn't so neurotic as it can't be in the period. It was more, I don't want overt anachronisms. So you can have a, uh, uh, porcelain.

cup just not a paper cup you can have a tin cup for the coffee so i i drink espresso all morning and so i in preparation i brought a cup that i could have on set now no cameras no phones obviously um and i found that actually to be very salutary it was really helpful and It made all of our performances better. It made all of us more disciplined. It made you more enthusiastic to be on the set because it was a special and sacred place. And when the movie was over, that was going to go away. So I loved it.

And I think he brings everybody's game up with those needs and demands. So I'm incredibly grateful. Did you ever once, when he's getting one of those speeches, just sit back and go, holy shit. Well, I would be lying if I said I was on screen or if I was in any of those scenes. So I didn't, I had scenes with, with, with, with Daniel, but they were more dial, they were more dialogue scenes than him giving speeches. You know, I always think about this when I, when I was a young actor, I had all this ambition and drive and I didn't think about things a lot. I just did them.

Do you think the older you get, for me, it's like you start to think too much. You start to, you lose that a little bit. Do you feel like you've lost that sort of like, you know, when you're going to Juilliard, when you're studying, when you're so enthusiastic and just want to be in movies and do theater and write and all these things? Do you think that passion is the same or it's just different? I'd say it's different and in a strange way, aspects of it have only intensified. And just referring back to doing all those movies with James Franco, and I think I did about

10 of them with him after including Child of God, starting with Child of God, it reignited a passion for the basics of storytelling that continues, and as I said, only in intensifies because it is deepened. At the same time, it's not the same sort of fire in my belly as in the early days because I guess I'm just, for lack of a more interesting way of putting it, I'm a little wiser now. I've been married for 30 years. My wife and I have raise children. And there's just all sorts of other stuff that I've been able to do with my life that has demanded aspects of me that have nothing to do with my career. And so I have more sang foie now. What's that mean? Cold blood. Just just just, yeah. How many start using that?

Uh, and, um, and, uh, and a little more patience and I hear that I guess with this. I hear you're incredibly patient. Is that right? I don't know if your son would say the same thing about the movie he directed asleep in my palm. Right. I mean, were you as did you try to be as patient as possible with something like that? Well, I, I, we bicker sometimes because I was his producer and, and, uh, And at times, as a first time filmmaker does, and sometimes I've directed five movies and I still lose my cool when things don't go well.

You lose your cool. Yes. Have you shouted? No. I think there was a time on Gray Zone when I shouted, but it was because I was very far away from what was happening. But I think it's never. useful or it's not never it's rarely useful to lose your cool as a director because if you it's like parenting if you lose your cool as a parent then your kid is going to lose his or her or they are cool

and as a director if the if you lose your cool then the actors might or the the crew might and suddenly everything falls apart. But yeah, I, I, it wasn't, I, I tried with Henry, who's a wonderful director and, and I think he's going to do incredible, make incredible films. And he already made an incredible one with a sleep in my palm. I'm very, I think, I think he did a wonderful job as a writer or director. That's available now, right? That's out now. You can see it in theaters right now and it'll be streaming, um, VOD and then streaming in April. How hard is, how hard was it to get that movie made? That was the easiest movie I've ever gotten made of any film that I've been involved with.

Well, what happened is I was doing, I did old Henry with Potsie and Shannon. And Henry, my son Henry, who wrote and directed asleep in my palm, was in the art department on that film. So they got to experience his. work ethic. And then, and old Henry did incredibly well pretty much immediately. It was accepted at Venice, not in competition, but as a premier. And it was being very well received, which suggested it was going to do well commercially, which of course it ended up doing. It's the most successful indie film I've ever done. And just at the time when that wave was beginning to crest, and it was clear, it was a real beauty, and that they were going to do really well with this movie,

Henry handed me asleep in my poem, and we decided that I would play the lead. And I took it to Shannon and Potsie and said, look, we can make this, and I gave them a number. And Henry and I were basically going to work for nothing. I said, I'm going to stand by him while he writes and directs this. So I'll have your back with him as a first timer. I'm going to play this part. And they just said fine. And they gave us the entire negative cost for the movie. And we just went and made it. It was, I think, four months between when I gave it to them and when we were on set shooting. That's so rare. And it's so rare, and I told my son, Henry, I said, it is never going to happen.

Never going to happen this way again. So don't fuck up, son. On every single movie I've made, every single one of them, not only has it been a far more arduous process to get the money, but the money also always falls through in some way, shape, or form during pre-production. And that didn't happen either because Potsie and Shannon are men of their word. And what is the story in a nutshell, asleep in my palm? How would you describe it if you were going to tell everyone? A father and daughter living off the grid in northeastern Ohio parasitically on the outskirts of an elite liberal arts college while the father struggles with his past

and the daughter comes of age and it's ultimately a fairly it's both a tender and a combustible experience for them both by the end of the film. Do you think you put in, I guess you didn't have a lot of time

but usually you put in so much work you didn't have as much time because the thing went. So Henry had given me the script in the summer, early summer. before I'd given it to Shannon and Potsie. And we...

Did you tell him you were going to give them the script or you just surprised him? I surprised them. Oh, did I tell Henry? Him. Yes, I told Henry. I said... And so we worked on the script together.

Absolutely remains his script, his story. But we tailored it to me. Because once we decided I was going to play the role and there's just stuff. that, to which he was receptive, that I wanted to bring to it as an actual dad. Like he wanted you to wear a son, he wanted to wear glasses. Well, he did want me to wear glasses. That was, I didn't want to, and he, he suggested it.

But we went into a process where we developed the character together, including some of the writing. And so the seepage, as I would like to call it, of the character into me began a good six months before we were shooting. And I'd been involved, again, in nuanceing some of the writing. So we were working on it together for months and months and months. And then, yeah, I said, I'm going to give this to Shannon and Potsie, but at the right time, he kept saying, when are you giving it to them? When are you giving it to I said, just wait. We need to make sure that old Henry is what I think it's going to be. And when that starts really to become a conspicuous reality, then I think we'll be ready to, we can give it

to them and they'll be a little more optimistic about what this can be. Wow. By the way, you're really good with accents, right? With, uh, I try. I mean, I, I, I mean, I, I, I thought you were going to come in here and be like, well, Michael, I thought maybe, you know, there weren't going to be video cameras in here and your weird horror movies. You're good with accents too. I grew up in southern Indiana. Oh, nice. But yeah, when I listened to you, it's just purely authentic.

Sometimes English actors, you could hear some words and you're like, ah, they're English or they're trying to do in America or they're trying to do. But how much time do you spend on getting that voice? Right. A lot more time now. I used to, when I was offered a role anxiously, I'd seize as quickly as possible on what it was I was going to do because I was simply afraid that I wouldn't be able to come up with the goods and I needed to assure myself. I didn't want to live with uncertainty. And now the uncertainty interests me. And so I take a very, very slow process into it. I keep using the word, I guess, patient. I don't know.

What do you do? Because you just laid a really good dialect. Well, I just think of friends I grew up with. And there's my friend that grew up with his name was Skunk. They're like, hey, man, we're going over the fox and hound later. You know, and that's how he talked, man. just be like that and you know hey rose man i saw that movie it wasn't very good but i supported you man that's fantastic you know just certain voices um but there's some that i go oh i don't want

i wouldn't touch that like i don't know if i would do um a british accent unless i could do like a gary oldman impression you know i just read i wrote this novel called city of blouse i want to talk to you about that um but i city they asked they asked me to do that up the audio book. And I wanted my friend David Aaron Baker, this wonderful actor who does great job with audiobooks to do it. And they said, the publisher said, no, we really want you to do it. And I had written this Australian character who just rabbits on for pages and pages in these monologues. That's a tough one. And man, when I was reading the audio book and I had decided I was going to try to do a lot of the dialects in the book, I wanted to put a good. I wanted to put a

gun in my mouth it's it's so hard it's hard to stay with it right because like i always i do the cities first like a melvin adelaide uh sidney and see you're better than i am no but i think but for an audio book you don't have to do it perfectly right just to get the idea um or i know you just by knowing you hear how critically yeah i just don't want let's do it again that sucked Tony Colette to listen to it and say, oh, he's, he's terrible. You know, so I have Australian friends and I want them to say, oh, he got it right. That was great. That's as much as I'm going to do.

Did you? I'm not doing it anymore for you. That was my Tony imitation. She goes up at the end of sentences. That's great, though. You could have came here to talk like that and I would have believed it. Oh, good. Well, the Australians do the best.

They're the best at dialects in the world. Really? I think, yeah. If you think about Tony and Nicole Kidman, Russell Crow, they're just, and then some of the lesser-known ones, like a wonderful actor named Dan Wiley, another one named Paul Gleason, they can just do these accents. Oh, also Guy Pearce. Guy Pearce. Yeah, Eric Banna. Hit pause on whatever you're listening to

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No, I mean, I, I, trying to get things made. It's more trying to get things made. I mean, as an actor, I'm, I'm, I'm inferring from our conversation anyway that we have a similar aesthetic and approach to things. And you always try to think in terms of playing a role, what is a person actively trying to do rather than the, the, the negative of, you know, how is a person failing? So I like to think of it. The novel is about men who come to Hollywood, how they behave and why, and how that creates the Hollywood of now. Or, to be more specific, the novel takes place just as COVID is hitting American shores. And there are wildfires also.

That was at the same time in Los Angeles. And I was here for about a month doing promotion for a couple of projects. And I was watching all that happen. And that's the time when I chose to set this story. But ultimately, it's about men who come to Hollywood, how they behave, and why. And how that inflects what Los Angeles and the movie industry is. Yes. You know, it's funny because I was reading this article on it and there's this excerpt and I read it and I go, I want to read this book.

And this is, it's just because something that is sort of an inside and it's a character saying this. I don't know who's saying this. Maybe you can tell me, but it says, we sit in staff meetings down the hall and I look around at all of you drooling over how to put your clients in these movies and take your commissions and go to the premieres. and then within an hour you're ridiculing the movie and talking about the spiritual downfall of our industry when you're gladly making money hand over fist you think people out there don't see that every one of you out here in your echo chamber hating the rest of america for voting for trump when you're fucking dripping hypocritical superiority is what made them all say a big fuck you by electing a reality tv star you all hate i wanted to stand up at that party and say you know what it serves you all fucking right you deserve every bit of your pain. And I go, fuck. You know, it just, I don't know, I thought that was sort of explosive and raw. And I just felt like I would love a book like this. Yeah, that's a character. He's an agent and he's not such a good guy. But he is talking about being at a watch party at the 2016 election in which it was assumed by everyone at the party that Hillary was going to win.

And he watches the decline in mood at this party as Wisconsin Falls and Michigan Falls and Florida. And it becomes clear from John King and the reporters at CNN. And it's being displayed on a big screen in this Bel Air Mansion that Trump is going to win. And that's what that's, that's, that's what that character is talking about. Did this come, did it just flow through you? Is it something you write and it's just like, it's pretty much there? It just comes out of you? To a degree, but it's a lot of work writing and, it's a lot of work writing a novel.

I cannot imagine. And particularly my first one and initially simply getting over the fear that, that the whole enterprise was fraudulent and that, that, that only novelists should write novels and that I wasn't a novelist. But that fear steadily became less interesting to me because it was just holding me back. And ultimately, I had to take the position with myself that all I was doing was trying to write a novel and getting to work at it every day. And there's no way I wasn't going to come out of that as a deeper and wiser and a more nuanced person, even if I showed it to no one. And so once I took that pressure off myself and allowed for the eventuality that I might not show this to a soul, even my own wife,

And I just, then I just was writing it for myself as an exercise. Yes. And it ended up being a really, really good experience. And then I thought, well, if I, if I really edit this and I really do my best to discipline it, then it's something I could actually maybe show to people. And so I spent months doing that and then only then presented it to an agent. Isn't it funny how it's always fear that gets in the way of everything? It's only, it's really fear because my whole life, I love nothing more than music. As much as I loved acting, I love music.

But I wasn't a great singer. I didn't play guitar as good as other people. And I always said, I shouldn't do this because I'm not on that level. I'm just not on that level. And then one day I woke up five years ago, 40, year old at the time and I said what the what is that why you're doing it because is that why you're not doing it because you know of what people will say or there's people better that and then I thought why don't you do it because you love it because you have a passion for it because you have something to say

or sing or whatever and that's when I just said hell with it and started writing music and playing music and loving it with no idea or thought of ever being a rock star of ever being like top 10 hits but to just to play music and maybe there's someone else out there that will like music that I'm putting out and enjoying time with my you know my bandmate Rob and we're working on our third album that's fantastic and you know it's and we have we have some you know fans some listeners and you know we're not like I mean we can't sell out at the whiskey but but But, yeah, it's the enjoyment. And I'm so glad that I just one day said,

I don't want to be 90 years old or however I am when I, however old I am when I pass. I don't want to say, why didn't I just do that? Why don't I just, I love that. I wanted to try that. And I think that's what gets in the way of all of us. And I'm sure the fear of, you know, who's going to read this, who's going to do this,

that probably all came into play until you finally said, I'm going to do this. Yeah, and there's also the phenomenon, which I think is a legitimate one, as much as it irks me, of people saying, why does this actor want to, why does this actor think he can write a novel? And that's inherently unfair because he's going to have a leg up getting published because he's somewhat well known. and therefore there's potentially a built-in audience, why doesn't he step aside and let a real writer have that occupy that stall? And I don't blame people for thinking that, and I was certainly afraid that when I put the novel out,

I was going to have to absorb some of that. And I thankfully didn't really. Nobody, nobody ever really said that, at least as far as I know. So you're going to write another one? I have already written another one. What? Yeah. And I'm, I've just written, I've just given it to, to my literary agent, and we'll see what we're going to do with it.

But yeah, and I'm very happy with it. So, City of Bloes. Right. You can get it now. You can get it now. In fact, it's coming out in paperback on April 1st. So you can get it now in hardback and April 1st in paperback. And I also can listen to it.

You can listen to my stab at reading it. And I, no promises, I don't know whether I'm going to agree at it. You've got a great voice. I'm sure it's, uh, I'm sure it's fantastic. And forgive me for the, the hackneyed Australian accent. No, it was awesome. I couldn't do it like that. I like how they say no.

Nari. Yeah. Nah. Or nah. nor yeah that's exactly it's a weird right the the the the kiwis or even the new zealanders are that's the best nari every time yeah every time i try to do an english accent people like no but when i just like when i when i remember an interview i saw with gary oldman where he's like you know when you're dealing in an industry like this you've got to have a great ego and

francis full copel has an ego the size of san francisco and when i do it like then i could sort of that is very well done then i could sort of do it but like Like, when I try it without doing that, I have to, like, get into that mode. I love Gary Oldman. He's my favorite. He's my favorite. I was having, this is name dropy, but then it comes up and blows up in my face. I was having lunch with Edward Norton in Midtown Manhattan about seven years ago.

And we, the waiter came up and just completely flips that he's in the presence of Edward. And he just says, Edward Norton, oh my God, oh my God, you're, I can't believe I'm seeing you and serving you. I just can't believe it. And Edward says, yes, yes, thank you very much. I'm, you know, no worries. And I'm glad to be at your table. And he looks over at me and says, and this is my friend Gary Oldman. no that's amazing

it's so funny few people know about Edward that he is just hilarious and it was just right on the spot it was really funny that isn't what's your best favorite Gary Oldman performance oh Zorg what Zorg

I didn't see Zorg in um in in fifth element fifth element really yeah that's one where I think he just said with it went over the top oh it's so over the top it is but i was thinking something like um i mean he was great as winston churchill i mean i thought he was brilliant but said nance everything everything he does even the movie directed you ever seen nil by mouth yes of course oh i love that

but zorg zorg you love that character mr shadow he's got the blood coming down my son henry and i the guy who directed asleep in my palm we just we we we we love zorg You love Zor? Yeah, Fifth Element is the best B movie ever made. Would you be starstruck to meet Gary Oldman? Do you get stuck to? Absolutely, yeah. You would.

I think I would, yeah. Who else would you get starstruck by? Because you've worked with great people. Yeah, I've met most of my heroes. Yeah, Sean, Penn, Daniel, Phil Hoffman, I knew. George Clooney. Cluny, yeah, Tituro, Busemi. I've just been privileged enough.

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It didn't exist. So I was an unknown actor at the time, but had become friends with Joel and Ethan socially, mainly because Fran had met, Francis McMorman, had met my wife and had met me a little bit and had learned a little bit about me. and I hope I'm not speaking out of school, but she was always eager to find couples that would match with her and Joel where they could go out together. And she was too frequently finding that it just wasn't ever really the right match

where Joel would really like the guy and Fran would like the woman and then in the, what is it, punnet square, you know, that it would go diagonal. too. And so she said, well, Tim and Lisa are a good, that's going to work. And so we became really good friends. And Joel just decided that I would be good as Delmar.

I don't quite know how or why, maybe. He just told you this at dinner once? No, what happened was I was directing this movie called O. And I was on location in South Carolina, and I got a call from Joel and saying he wanted to send me something. And so I gave him my address and he sent me the O'Brother script and said, I need your advice. And what's funny is that I had heard on the radio when Clooney had accepted the part that they were going to be directing a movie. with George based on the Odyssey. Right.

And I thought, my God, that would be incredible. I would just do a cameo in that. But I'm directing this movie and they're doing it this summer. I'm going to be editing. And whatever. So, yeah, forgot about it. So he sent me the script and I thought, oh, this is it. And he said, I want your advice.

And I thought, oh, he wants to talk about the adaptation because I was a class. classics major in college. And I called him a week later and said, oh, my God, Joel, this is so funny. How can I help? And he said, you're probably going to tell me to go fuck myself, because I know you're going to be editing your movie this summer. But if we will move your edit to Mississippi, where you can just work on it down there, we want to. We want to, want you to play Del Mar. And I just couldn't believe it. It was just one of the craziest calls I've ever received in my life probably ever will receive.

And was your heart beating? I couldn't believe. I mean, they were absolute heroes of mine, as they are for all of us who do what we do. And what they've done for. so many character actors has been extraordinary and they changed people's lives from Tituro, Busemi, Polito,

Phil Hoffman. Nick Cage? Yeah, Nicholas Cage, Fran, Polly Hunter. It's just it's nothing short of outrageous. And here I was being offered this part and he told me that it would be Clooney and Taturro And that was it.

There was no audition. And I think one of the reasons is because they knew that they were going to do three shots. So it was a trio traveling, as Ethan used to describe when we were making it, three dopes walking across Mississippi. And they were going to do three shots. So widescreen, it was their first widescreen movie, 2, 3, 5. And then they were going to do single close-ups on George. But they didn't have the time or the resources or, frankly, I guess, the interest.

Since George was playing Ulysses in an adaptation of The Odyssey, they weren't going to do close-ups on the other two actors. And they knew John would have no problem with that because they'd worked with John so many times previously. But they wanted to put somebody in the Delmar role who also would be so grateful to have the role that when they did a close-up on George and then after the three-shot and then moved on without giving the other two actors close-ups, that there wasn't going to be any issue. And Joel said, well, Tim isn't going to have a problem with that. And he was, of course, right. Wow. And how long did you have to prepare for that? Well, I had about six weeks, but I was also finishing shooting a movie and editing it. How do you have time for that? And how are you

not going crazy because I can't do many things. And we had a newborn. So my wife and I had a newborn. Um, which I think you, do you have, uh, oh, okay. Just those two dogs you saw. All right. Um, okay. So, uh, yeah, we, um, uh, uh, I, yeah, so I, how did I have time? My wife was really generous and understanding. Uh, and so I worked some very, very long days in the editing room. so that I had, I needed to show a cut to the Weinsteins because they had purchased the movie O in prep. So it was a negative pickup. And I needed to show them the movie in six weeks instead of the customary 10 weeks that a director gets. So I had to work long hours to get a creditable cut for them to see. And then come home and learn this one of the lead roles in

Joel and Ethan's movie. Luckily, the guy who talks the most in that movie is Clooney's character. So it wasn't terrifically challenging when one considered it was actually one of the lead roles because um so that's what i did and and that was it that was it was that was that just exciting was that you remember that as one of the great times in your life filming that well first of all joel and ethan are tremendous human beings so not only are they great filmmakers but they're generous decent um it's rare patient uh the the the shooting feels like you're rehearsing You don't feel a tremendous amount of pressure from them. They are so prepared and know so perspicuously what they want that and they've and they've cast with that in mind.

So that there really isn't any rancor. And if you do something that they don't like, it's explained to you in a very friendly manner how they, what adjustment they they want to make they they give you the sides but also the storyboards in your trailer each morning as a part of your side we're doing this is what we're doing and there are no surprises and you just go about your day so there was that and then george and john and john goodman were all so incredibly friendly uh to me and and never never treated me as though I were I were

the new guy didn't belong yeah it was it was um you know George and I played wiffle ball every day he's a he's a monster athlete George yeah and do you still keep in touch with any of those guys yeah Taturo more because George is

every time I interact with George it's great but he's he's an industry. In addition to his acting, he's also a director and a producer. And he does a lot of Elamasonry work and, you know, work with his, and he's got this incredible wife and family now. And he's got a spirits company. So he's, by the way, and you had to sing. I mean, in the jailhouse now and all that. Got to sing. Got to sing. What I said. Yeah. Had to sing. Yeah. You had to sing. I got to sing. Yeah. Um, did you, have you always been a good singer? I'm all right. My wife is a much better singer than I am. So she helped you with it?

No. Basically what I did, uh, and I've had to get over this, um, what I did is just take on this country music singing voice that I grew up with in Oklahoma. So what I'm doing in O'Brother and in the Ballad of Buster Scruggs is sort of a mix of Lefty Frizzell and LeVon Helm. It's not really... It's a character. Yeah, it's a character. And now, thanks to my wife and my son Henry, who's a really good musician and singer-songwriter, I've learned to sing honestly more as myself. Nice.

so just just just at home not at your level where I'm playing no yeah recording albums well I'm recording well anyway it's not about me all right this is called shit talking with tim blake nelson this is my top tier patrons they get to ask questions it's rapid fire okay so you can just zip by them if you want uh patron dot com slash inside of you thanks for the support love you jen t as a character actor has there been a role that you haven't done that you'd still like to do and have you uh dealt with issues of being typecast Less and less issues of being typecast, but that still, of course, happens because I'm from Oklahoma and therefore I can play southern and southwestern characters in what's deemed a credible

way. And so I get a lot of those roles. But more and more I've been able to get outside of that, and I'm incredibly grateful for And the character role that comes to mind that I'd love to play is Richard the 3rd. Wow. Yeah. That's a big one, huh? Yeah.

And my first job out of school was Shakespeare in the park. And I was in the ensemble to Denzel Washington's Richard III, which was great. Dana asks, where do you think you'd be if you didn't act? I'd be a Latin teacher probably really yeah you speak Latin well I read it I don't speak it and can you speak and I don't speak well I suppose you can some people can who are really really but you can read it but it's a dead language nobody speaks it anymore so it's hard to practice I can read it okay now with a dictionary but not I was a classics major so I'm I'm I'm not where I was when I was 23 and just got out of college.

Jessica B, when something ruins your day, do you get stuck on the negative or do you manage to see the positive? I see the positive. What I've learned probably, I've been deploying this strategy for about 15 to 20 years. If I didn't mean to harm someone, if I didn't mean ill will, and I can't mean ill will, and I can't think of instances where I really do and act on it anyway, then it's just best to forgive myself and get on with it and apologize to whatever, however something I did ramifies and to whomever it had on whomever it had a negative impact and then just get on with it. So I'd say I'd try to stay positive. Bob Kay, what classic film would you remake and starring?

That's a tough one. I don't know. I'm always in love with the film I most recently watched. And last, before I left, or the last movie I watched was Atlantic City. Could I play Bert Lancaster's role in that? Probably not. Before that, it was killing of a Chinese bookie, the Cassavetti's movie. That would be fun to remake, but why would you? They're doing it now. They're doing everything. This has been awesome. This has been really great. I've loved talking to you. Yeah.

You're a great guest. City of Blows is out now. The paperback is coming out, right? April 1st. You could listen. The audiobook is available now. No, I think that comes out April 1st as well. Well, by the time this will be out.

Okay. You can just say it's out now. Out now. Out now. asleep in my palm directed by your son henry nelson which you're extremely proud of that's coming out that's out now that's out now that's out now you can watch it you have to watch it and if you haven't seen oh henry oh shit you really need to see oh yeah please watch old henry written and directed by potsy ponsoroli yes i love him thank you for helping me and connect me with this

great man um you know lastly this is you know we talk a lot about um mental health in the podcast and just briefly, do you, have you ever dealt, you know, we all have dark times, but what do you do in those dark times? How do you recover when you, or when you face a diversity? What do you do? How do you deal with, do you get anxious? Do you get depressed? And what do you do? Age has helped a lot when I was in my 20s and early 30s, struggling to have a career. and even soon after that, when I would face disappointments, I became very anxious and depressed, which I guess is defined as anger turned inward. And I tended to see catastrophe around the corner.

and to succumb to hopelessness. But I got this great piece of advice, not personally. I read it from Richard Nelson, that wonderful playwright, that you just don't leave the room, you stick around. And the more I've stuck around, the more I've learned that opportunities end up coming. And so with age has become wisdom, I'm about to turn 60 in about two months, and that's the best part of getting older, is that I have more data that nourishes an optimism that I didn't have in my 20s and 30s.

That's wonderful. That's great advice right there. And Captain America is coming out next year. That's right. In I think February. And how excited are you about that? happy about it. It's a wonderfully directed movie by Julius Ona and... Anything you can tell us?

Just, I think people, we, I can tell you about, um, my character that we did everything we could and this was entirely supported by Marvel and I'm so grateful to Kevin Feige and Nate Moore for supporting this because they, they were. on board 100% to do the character of the leader as practically as possible with an absence of digital stuff. So I really credit Marvel and also Julius in wanting to make a very, very much a reality-based superhero movie, as oxymoronic as that sounds. In terms of our approach to the leader, that's really where we went. And I was really gratified to get. to do it that way.

And I know that it's probably a sore spot, but whatever. I mean, you know, but Dune, too, you were supposed to be in. I was supposed to be in there. You had the, you filmed it. It was great. And they cut it out because it was too long. Right. Do you, is there a party that at least wants to have the scene to see it?

Uh, I, you know, that's all Deney. And, and, and of course, one always wonders as an actor, whether if you just been a little bit better. It wasn't you. And they could have, then they could have, they, they wouldn't have been able to, to exercise that scene. Isn't that where our mind goes? It is, of course. But that's not the case.

It's like this, I won't say the actor's name because I don't want to embarrass him or her. But it's such a funny story. I had a friend who went to do eyes wide shut. And, uh, he she was playing a nice role and did a couple. of days and Stanley Kubrick came and knocked on his her door and took him her down the hall and put him her in front of a monitor and said, I want to show you your scenes and showed the scenes and his her footage coverage. And then proceeded to say, I'm going to let you go. It's not working. And then he said, it's not me. No, it's not you. It's me. It's not you. It's me.

And this person, of course, said, yeah, right. Stanley Kubrick. It's not me. It's Stanley Kubrick. Right. And so my, so there's a part of me. Like fired off the. Oh. And, and, and, and so there's a part of me that's saying, yeah, right. Danie Villeneuve-ileneuve. It's that the movie was too long. It wasn't that I fucked the performance up. Let me tell you something. But I love Denny. I had a great time and I hope I get to do something with him again.

And I'm just glad I would still go over and do the part just for being directed by him and filmed by Greg Frazier and working with Josh Brulen. I would go do it again even knowing that I was cut out of it because I had a great time. you're a gem of a man and a brilliant actor writer director asleep in my palm check it out now city of blows get the book i'm going to get the audio book because i really want to listen to him i really want to get the australian accent this has been an absolute joy thanks for being here you bet all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're Huff mute. Hey, happens to the best of us.

Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish. I just, he's just like a regular dude. And then he gets on set, and he's just so immersed in his work. Mm-hmm. And that's what you want out of an actor. If you're hiring someone, don't you want someone who really does the work?

but is also great and easy to work with. Yeah. That's Tim Blaine Nelson. I would love to work with him. So maybe one day, Tim. Thank you. And good luck with a sleep in my palm directed by your son, starring you. And that was a magical experience as we talked about it.

Yeah. Again, my Instagram at the Michael Rosenbaum. Link tree is there with everything you need to see. If you didn't listen to the intro, just listen to the intro. There's a lot of cool information. And, yeah, Ryan. I went to your birthday party about a month ago. Yeah,

it would have been a month ago at this point, yes. It was a good birthday party. Thanks. A lot of people came. A lot of people like you. It made me feel really nice. Just it's, it's an easy. I can tell you were really happy.

Because it was people from high school, people from college. People from college. Your sister's boyfriend. Husband. And their dog. Family, sister's friends were there. And yeah, so it's like a nice. I don't know. I'm glad. I'm glad you were there, too, because it's like a nice combo of, I don't know, just all the people.

All around people in your life. It's just kind of nice to see. I wasn't going to miss it. If I was in town, I wasn't going to miss it. I mean, it was a hike. Well, it's Santa, the Santa Monica Brew Works. It's a, it's just like a nice. Look, you just park it, park a table outside. The sun is shining. Oh, it's great. I really like the coast. And it's like, I'd go back. It's just an easy thing to do. Well, happy belated birthday. Thanks. I don't have to plan anything. It's great. No. it was perfect yeah uh and you'll see ryan at the um yeah the live the live talkville podcast on may 21st may 22nd so that will be fun um all right let's get into it this is the uh this is the time in the podcast so we talk about our top tiers of patron those that are the top tiers that support and give the most and i just want to thank them go to patreon dot com slash inside of you to join and support the podcast if you want it'd be nice uh we're not one of

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