Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Timothy Omundson (ft. Selma Blair)

Episode Date: December 1, 2020

Timothy Omundson (Psych) joins me this week and pours it all out about his heartbreaking experience with the freak accident stroke he suffered during the zenith of his career and the best shape of his life. Timothy opens up on making the conscious decision to stay strong and overcome this obstacle for the sake of his family and the desire to not let his wife down. We get into his positive state of mind throughout this experience, how his Psych family was there for him at his lowest, and how he’s able to stay grateful for being so awesome. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You notice anything different in the podcast room? You know, it's a little creepier. That wasn't the word I was looking for. Well, you got a bunch of, it's a whole horror posters now. Yeah, well, I took out the hockey jerseys and I just said, you know, I interview a lot of actors and producers and things like that. I love entertainment. I love horror. So, yeah, I just started, I put all these posters in here.

And I really like it. You can't really see, but I even have my urban legend poster up there. It's just the one poster of me where it's my chubby face in the bottom corner right next to Jared Leto and Terry. You know, I like it. It's just different. I like change. But I don't like change. Yeah.

I like the same thing. I like eating the same thing. I like doing the same things. I don't like people taking me out of them. And I'm working on that because I think that's important to get out of your comfort zone. Do you do that? No, not a ton. No?

No, I agree. No, I don't, change is hard. Change is hard and change is going to come. Change is difficult. Well, we're, you know, it's just been such a crazy year for everybody, and I know you didn't get to go home for Thanksgiving. No. And you were very upset about that.

I was, because I don't, like, change is hard, and I don't, I never miss Thanksgiving. And I love being with my family. And it's just nice when we go up and it always feels like a, like a reset for me. Yeah. My parents live like on a, you live on a mountain in Sonoma. Hmm, rich. The house is actually very modest, I will say. Okay.

Well, I'm sorry about that, man. I just, I know that you love your family. And if it makes you feel better, I, I haven't seen my family since my grandfather's funeral last Thanksgiving. I haven't seen my mom in years. But, you know, these are the sort of things that everyone's going through. It's not just you. It's like, everybody I talk to, it's like, you know, people who are, you know, I don't want to say responsible because then the people, that go then you say they're irresponsible but no I know people are being safe and all that

stuff it's just it's eventually this is going to go away we say it every week so it will go away we will at least we have these thoughts of a vaccine coming and home testing and this and that and before we know it we'll look back and think god do you remember that that was so horrible I swear to do you remember the 2002 oh oh shit man hey guys thanks for listening uh great episode last week with James Rodei Rodriguez and with Dule Hill. I love those guys. I always love when Ryan has a good time editing. So you should watch the episode if you haven't seen it if you just listen to it. But I really appreciate you guys subscribing on Spotify, Apple Podcast, Stitcher, watching and subscribing on YouTube. It really truly helps the show. And that's all I'll say

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I'm so proud of it. And I'll give a shout out to Zach Darling, our producer, engineer, who's really rock and everybody who's worked on the album. And, yeah, also, if you want to go to the inside of you store, lastly, inside of you store, there's tons of stuff and take 15% off. The code is inside 15. Mugs, autograph mugs, tumblers, autographed tumblers, autographed tumblers, shirts, wine glasses, towels, towels, towels, a bunch of stuff. So check it out if you want, Inside 15. I love Dulae and James, and they talk. They have a very special story last week about their good friend who worked on psych with him, Timothy Omanson.

And that was really heartfelt. And then getting Timothy on the show and he was a little reluctant. You know, I don't think he does a lot. And he's been through a lot. And, you know, we got him on the podcast. And I don't know what it is, man. Some people, I just feel like I want to hang out with them. I've said it before.

But innately, just a wonderful human being. and tell some amazing stories and talk about adversity having a stroke unexpectedly and what that does to your family what that does to your life and your career and how you navigate and um so that's amazing but before we get into timothy omenson we have a very special guest she and i did zoe duncan jack and jane uh tv show she's been in uh hellboy and cruel intentions and she's done so many things and she's wonderful and she's what happens i saw timothy on larry king and larry said who is uh your who do you admire i think it was and timothy said selma blair selma has ms and she's stronger than most people i know and she's been dealing with that and she doesn't do a lot of interviews but

uh i thought that was amazing i had to reach out to selma and she was so touched by it and I said, you know what? Would you get on here and do a little intro? And she said, sure. So first, before we get inside of Timothy Omanson, let's get inside of Selma Blair. Hi, cutie. Hi, love me. How are you? You look good. Look at your hair. I love your hair. Thank you. You know, I went to Chris McMillan yesterday and it always helps. You know, when you get a good haircut. It makes such a difference. I looked like 80's mom, you know, like yesterday. Now I look like 80s, you know, and aunt. You look younger than an aunt or a mom. Thank you. Even though you have a nine-year-old? He's nine now. Yeah, he's nine, Michael. I can't believe that. When's a kid

going to happen for you? You got all serious and looked at me. I know. I don't even know. Are we on right now? Yeah, we just record. We just record. We just record. We're just, yeah, we're recording. Yeah, yeah, that's all cool. But I'm really, I don't, I won't do this to you while we're actually having our conversation on a computer. But anyhow, Michael, I love you. And I mean, kids are overrated. It's like a house guest that, like, you guys, bad men and stuff.

It's really stressful. You know, it's got to be, look, first of all, I've known you for since, I mean, I've known you since. I've known you the longest. I mean, we did our first. show, Rose, oh my God, we did our first show educating Matt Waters. With Montel Williams. Yeah, it was in 1990. It was in New York.

You've been like a huge part of my life. And I remember your apartment, too, in Alphabet City and with Matt and the guy that died in the end of the hallway, how bad it smelled all summer. Do you know? It smelled so bad. It was so hot. And it was so bad. And I'd come over and like gamble for like off track bedding.

do you remember that i had an o tb account i forgot that i had an o tb and i would accept people's bets and i had so much fun and like my boyfriend at the time like jason brosfeld came over once and he's like a huge real like real estate guy in l.a you know in l.a now but huge huge but uh he did off track betting with us that was fun i forgot so a guy just briefly so you know no i know this is a you know uh an intro with selma but a guy died in my apartment and as we're walking in Matt and I, huh? The guy died in your apartment building down the hall and hadn't been discovered for a week. And I said, oh, my God, what does that smell?

Matt goes, somebody died. I go, no, it's like sour milk, the sourest of all sours. Once you smell a dead body, you never. Sandwich. To me, it's like a shit sandwich, like a fecal sandwich. And my sister was a cop in Detroit years ago, and she'd find a lot of suicides or deaths. and like is it's so fascinating to me i love this stuff you know like if i die and i'm not found for a week like i could be like look like 500 pounds and might be hissing with

body fluids and gases escape it okay this is this is more about this i wonder why i don't sleep well but yeah so that happened and i it smelled so bad there was that was the summer of incense off track betting incense and off track betting listen there's look i i promised you this wouldn't be long and you know this is an intro so look the whole reason we're here is i've known you forever and uh you know timothy olmanson who's the guest on the show today he um he was on larry king incredible incredible actor and he had a stroke a couple years ago and has been so brave and talking about it and like it really helps people out there and i know that all of a sudden i'm watching this interview and then he says um larry king says so who was you who is your

inspiration who inspires you and the first thing he says is Selma Blair and I's so huge you know it's the best um it's the best feeling someone that you admire their work the way they live their life you and then they they mention your name in any way it never it's so flattering and this has been huge to have to learn something so new you know this um stage in the game you No, and to know about him and, like, it's such a great recovery he's made in that, and that's what I'm learning too. I just started really doing really intense physical therapy. It's hard on Zoom to do PT for brain damage, but I do it in speech therapy, and it helps immensely.

So when I listen to him and, like, saying he's really recovering, and it took two years, really for him to get back to work, it made me feel so much better because I just thought I was going so slow. Yeah. It's going in and out, but as my neurologist also says, brain recovery is, it's such a discipline and it takes a long time and to see someone put in the work and do it and talk so elegantly like he does about it. It's, I'm really happy.

Well, you know, what's amazing is I assumed he knew you. Why else would you say some? No, but then I thought, oh my God, maybe I have more memory lost than I think I'm like, Rosie, did I work with him? I don't think we had, he did Zina the Warrior Princess, and I did a spin-off, but we didn't work together. I was Sian, the Warrior Princess, for a minute, but it didn't work out. So I really don't think I did, but, you know.

I don't think you did. You didn't. I asked him. No, I think that you honestly just, inspired him by coming out and that had to be hard look I want to just quickly I think it's so important because you and I share something that I think and maybe I think we're both two people that have always wanted attention wanted the life of the party it's like oh selma's gonna do something here goes Rosenbaum he's a we've got to do something to fit in at least I've always felt like I had to

fit in so and I know you talked about I think I talked to you about this and you think like a stress had a lot to do and we've always like if it's one person I could relate to in terms of who relates to stress. For some reason, I just am always stressing about the little things. All of a sudden, my body's now. I'm like, why are you worried about the contractor coming over this morning? And do you still? Because I know you've been, like, really working on that.

And it's still stress, the thing, like the things that we thought were little things, they'll still, you still activate. Yes, I still stress and I'm working on it to help. But let me ask you, do you think stress has anything to do with bringing out MS? Do you think it has a huge part of what? I absolutely do. I mean, I, I do. I think stress, the mind-body connection is,

I really hope that people stop saying, you know, like there's just brain, like, oh, you just have a brain hit. No, it's, it's, because I go in and out, you notice, of speech patterns being imperfect and, and some movement. And I forget what I'm going to say. wait there's the point is that that this will be like one of the biggest um what were you saying again michael the stress like the stress part of it's by the way you're you're saying part of me figuring out how to get through it when i my brain just kind of you take your time

and you just do it and by the way so it's stress and like so how do you deal with it i think you know i was born stressed it's just like my thing i i maybe came from like a histrionic family, kind of dramatic, some parts of it. And, you know, I would kind of adapt into that. And I don't know if I wanted to fit in. I didn't ever think I was worth anything. So my only way to fit in with people and have friends was to make myself the big joke or not think nicely. I remember not being as kind growing up.

I should have taken some improv classes. So it would be yes and I was always no, but, you know, and turned it. to this whole like routine I do because I felt if I did show up somewhere I'd have to I didn't think of it as attention stealing I thought oh I have to give something and it was kind of thoughtless because you're just then like by the way I'm cutting you off only because I'm like like on the verge of tears right now because I think I'm like looking at myself like what you're saying these things are just like honestly like I found myself being emotional because I feel that way I feel like I've always just tried to, like, I just don't feel comfortable.

I never have felt comfortable. So I think, you know, we probably hurt ourselves. The stress probably becomes overwhelming. Absolutely. I mean, our central nervous systems can only take so much MS. And, you know, I also have, you know, something called pots that came about from MS. It's like a postural orthostatic thing that all of us have when we stand up with, you know, you pass out. But I, like, we'll pass out at anything.

My heart changes. rhythms um and it's just i see daily how any stress how this is not stressful to talk to you this is amazing to talk to you but just me because i i can't see the screen that well because i get double vision up at this thing so i shut my eyes and i realize that stress that is a form of stress so inner just looking at a screen you know i'm not upset i'm not crying but that's stress for my body for you going out and having, you know, people expect you're funny, Michael, you know. And so it's really everything, we put this stress on ourselves to accommodate and to try and be healthy and then try and get to sleep. And I'm instant gratification yesterday. So, you know,

like I'll self-medicate with meditation or negative things in the past, you know, that would, you know, do all that. And it is all stress. And then the way I'd react to stress or you, that can be more stressful and I absolutely think I just kind of burnt myself out like sure I probably you know I'm Irish and that's like people from that hemisphere get that nervous system thing more but all these nervous system things

which is stuff that you deal with too we have a lot in the world even before it got this is more chaotic than we ever thought than I ever really allowed myself to think you know what it is when people really have to stop and realize what's going on and the chaos and all that stress even though my life is very privileged in my house but I'm stressed for everyone and I find yeah you're pretty damn articulate I got to tell you like your mind like the way you were sounding like I you know my mind

doesn't connect but like the way you're speaking so much more eloquent that I could ever speak you it really is what I mean quickly and I will learn to talk better a lot of it is just getting these kind of contractions and then not breathing correctly. And calming down? Does that have like calming yourself down? I mean, I'm really calm now. Like I still am like hyper and I move too fast. But I realize and another thing from watching Timothy is he moves very purposefully.

And he takes his time when he talks. And when I do that, my voice is clearer as well and it changes your whole energy and this will take a lot of therapy for me to learn to go against my nature of rushing to please or rushing to check out you know one or the other

so it's all stressful life for me is stressful like until now at least when I did get a diagnosis so much of what we want is validation. Just validation to say someone here is I don't want to hand out sick or not. I mean, I love a handout. Who am I kidding? But I don't, I'm not like, it just feels better to connect with people. And we've connected really deeply.

Me and you've affected a lot of my friends and, like, we're, I just find the more people try, truly try. It's just easy and less stressful to talk to them. because you feel they're not so judgmental that's less stress it's all this stuff I think people might be thinking and and

things are worse if I go out in public I move worse and then at first then I'm like oh my God is this psychogenic it's all in my head Blair you're crazy

you're going in and out and it really had to be explained just the stimulus like light get the traffic jam or people coming at me or talking because I don't have good

appropriate perception but I can learn how to train this and staying out of stress is the key you're absolutely right i mean i absolutely believe all the disheases i will give myself in this lifetime have been an accumulation of like grief and how badly i might have dealt with it in the past but do you do you think like this look i'm going to let you go now what what's the one thing or maybe there's two that you would just say that really helps with your stress and just calming you down ultimately if the first thing that comes to your mind. This two shall pass. I mean, it's really, it's on my shirt. I actually

ordered it. I love it. Gams et Yavor. That's Hebrew. I actually ordered it on Amazon. It's funny enough and I really love it. But it just means this too shall pass. And my mom always said it. People in AA say it, you know, Christian. I mean, it's and the good and the bad. So if I'm feeling great, I remember this too shall pass. So enjoy it. Spend. time with your son, make sure you get on a Zoom with Michael for this. You know, like, but that's it. Like, I just make sure I do the few small commitments and I keep it small for now. And then I settle and it's amazing because it really is how everyone is.

Whether you don't have to have MS to notice the difference, it's just more extreme because I get more traffic in the brain. But this is how we are. We're made like this. I'm sure so many people who listen to you. I mean, everyone is if you open up. And it is the getting settled.

And that's what's happening in our world right now. Hopefully settled in a, you know, in such a shift happening. But, um, listen, I love you so much. And I just,

you inspire me. You not only inspire Timothy Olmanson, but you inspire so many people and your story. And it's just really, that's what life's about is inspiring people and telling your story. And if it helps one person, it's helped. That's enough.

I agree. It really is. It's the biggest pleasure of my life right now to see my son grow up okay and to think that anything that I could do, you could do people. I know that anything we could do would help people in the world. Because I think I felt useless for a long time. I never had a big career path because I was so thrilled that anyone would give me a job. I would just kind of take stuff. And, and I didn't ever think I was worth thinking I would have a career almost. And, you know, just that thinking burns you out. And I'm a whole, you know, different kind of thought pattern now. I don't, I don't, I would know. I can take care of myself now before burnout, but. So much for a five-minute conversation. I can't help, but we both love each other.

We love to talk. You're great on your show. And I hate to talk until I'm talking. It's like sex. You want it until you're in it. I mean, if you're an older woman. Listen, I love you. I don't want you to keep going on because I could talk to you forever, but I'm going to bother

you. You look fantastic. I love that you're doing so well, and you're, you are an inspiration. Thank you so much. I love you. I really love you. Thank you. Thank you, too.

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what you said, we met once a long time ago. I think we passed somewhere along the ways in the Sutton Place. Probably. We all passed. It's like the ghosts of the Sutton Place. But then we met, you and I actually met and chatted at the Troubadour. Oh yeah. That was when we played

after Richard Spates Band or before them. We were hoping for them, right? Yeah, certainly that's what it was. That was a blast. But the way everyone I talked, you talked about you, like, I mean, I hear this stuff about Henry Winkler. Like, he is the, the mensch of Hollywood, the... Oh, is he?

And I know that. Yeah, like, the nicest guy you'll ever meet. And it's true. I worked with him, and he's still that guy who checks in and goes, Michael, I'm checking in. I hope your dogs well, Irv. I hope everything's great. They can hear it when he texts.

You can hear it. And with you, it's sort of that, you know, I get this feeling that everybody loves you, the best guy to work with, and super talented. But, you know, and you went through this whole thing. and there was so much love you forgot handsome well definitely handsome wildly handsome wildly handsome and you have you have style i like the glasses i like the hat you always look astute i will say that not only the dulae and james talk about you but everybody i've talked to and i have this thing called patreon right so people join patreon the extra support of the podcast and this and that and when i just go

hey guys who do you guys want on the show do you know how many times timothy omenson came up oh yeah dude you've got like a fan base it's not just the psychos the psychos are the the fans the diehard fans from psych exactly right i just wanted to make sure now hey by the way the um the one the cast with um jensen ackles yesterday how's the um what's going to let the skin cancer ah you got to bring up the skin cancer geez well you know the reason i brought it up was you know i'm glad you did i was couldn't tell you sorry well thanks you know i again i brought it up because if there's anybody out there who just is like I have like my dad won't check anything most people don't check anything and the thing is it's so easy to check something this was

growing and I was like it's on my thing yeah and then my friend cares like why don't you just go in and just let him look at it so he said yeah it's probably nothing then they call me back and said yeah it's getting cancer but you know we're not worried about it we're going to go in deeper we're gonna you know so my the whole point I didn't want to like and I even said it I think on the show like hey I don't want you don't have to text tweet me and all these things I just want you to know that just check yourself out now but thank you for inquiring or asking about that so that was no but i thought it was really good that you brought it up because people do need to check that shit yeah i mean with you i mean honestly before you had the stroke your health was

pretty damn good right that's the crazy thing i was in the best shape of my life that's what james said he said this guy worked out religiously lifted weights i mean you looked at and you think he's indestructible that was actually the problem is i built between you and me i am i was working out across CrossFit and did a super heavy deadlift. Like personal way, they were going personal best heavy in. So you're doing a deadlift. I was doing a deadlift. And at one point saw stars.

So what actually happened is I tore a clutter in the right side of my neck. Which then led to eventually it threw a blood clot and hit the right side of my brain and took it at the left side of my body. Well, this freaks me out because I'm a hypochondriac at times. like the thought of like going you know you want to go a little more weight you want to put some muscle on your body and it's just like if you're pushing too hard you didn't I mean were you going harder than you ever thought you like it would cause any issues no no but in fact the um the weight up until I put on more weight was was fine like I knocked him out really easily so yeah I can put

a little more on then it just something went wrong and I don't know what it was and no symptoms by the way no like were there things leading up to the I know you were like at a film festival somewhere and actually the night before i am while in the screening of the movie as it was ending i experienced like the worst pain worst headache in my life like a nice big in the back of my head just reading and i could not shake it no matter how much adval i took so that was the only symptom which i wouldn't think it's not a stroke symptom i mean now i i've come to understand that if you ever say i've had the worst headache headache on my life you go to the hospital doesn't that sort of i mean i know that when things like i've had a lot of surgeries and things like that but

know if like god forbid i had a heart attack or a stroke or something like that isn't it is it always in the back of your head that you're like uh oh i should worry about that i had a headache is it is it bad enough to go to the hospital is it are you like on top of it or are you still not as crazy about it like uh for me yeah headache wise no like this was this headache was like one i've never had before and was one of yeah i was in the middle something so i couldn't like go i couldn't just drop what i was doing to go to the hospital all right so let let's rewind i don't want to start with that that's sort of what you kind of might end with perhaps but and there's your there's your mug with your your face on it nothing if not vain it's all right you by the way you have great facial hair and a nice

house by the way i like the the roof there where are you right now what do you live this is the old little of guest house you have a guest house i've always wanted a guest house which um unfortunately we didn't put the air conditioning on before i came out so it's a zillion degrees and wearing a hot straw hat so you have good hair too so you're you're actually you're actually really hot right now during this interview is that what you're telling me you're incredibly hot at the moment you got me a little jacked up mike all right so listen so you you grew up in missouri in the midwest not grew up but i guess you were born there i was born in missouri left by the time i was one grew up in seattle all right so missouri throw missouri away

you're not a cardinal fan you're nothing you move to seattle you that's where you have no knowledge of missouri whatsoever right and so you well your parents always like by the way you know i always talk i always asked this question but we were parents pretty supportive growing up where they always like whatever you want to do loving i love you that kind of stuff i was like very very lucky in coming from very supportive family and loving and it was great and like do it both kind of into the arts so took me to the theater took me to the symphony then once i said i wanted to be an actor they were great really great because my dad i said i told him a denny's once i said i'm going to be an actor he ate your steak i remember it i remember

it was after a play in college he's like come on you know you're going to college here you're going to be an character. Because if you think about it, if you're a father, you're like, what are the eyes and my son's going to make it? He's not. Most likely he's not. If you are betting on this, you bet against your son. I mean, that didn't sound right. By the way, if you're going to go for steak, go to Denny's. Exactly. That was, you know, he took us to Denny's. But, you know, I didn't mind Denny's. But, you know, to have your parents support, I always say, you can always tell when you meet someone if they had a good upbringing. Most of the time, like, I could just, there's this, I've seen some

interviews with you I've there's just this genuine gentle soul that's just a good heart people talk about you so you know overwhelmingly and so when I was I knew you were going to say I had a good upbringing before I even knew anything about you I knew it because I could just tell by your I don't disposition of the way you carry yourself and there's just a certain confidence there's a certain like you don't it seems like you don't stress out about the little things do you I try not to well what stresses you out you know were your parents they never fought they They never, you know, you did that you had no dysfunction. You were just, you didn't deal with a lot of adversity growing up, you think?

No, I mean, I really didn't. There was underlying grumblings behind the doors, but nothing. There was, there were no place being thrown. I could tell you some stories. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Where'd you grow up? I grew up in a small, well, my whole family was from New York, but we moved from, like,

we lived in Connecticut for two years, and then we moved to Indiana. My dad was like, I mean, he was 19 when I was born. And then he was 25 when my brother was born. He already adopted my two, my brother and sister from my mom's first marriage. So look, you know, it was a shit show. But, you know, but having parents that are taking you to the theater and doing all these things and there's love. And they were open. They're like, I love you, Timothy.

Timmy, I love you so much. You always felt that, right? Yeah. My dad always made a point of saying it, which was something. Every day, he said it. Not every day, but he, I mean, he just wanted to make sure that I know I was loved. that is so important people don't realize how important it is to just tell your kid i love you and in the mind even if they're a fuck up or you're you're worried about you know

they're not doing exactly what you thought they'd be doing just to give them that like hey i love you no matter what that is a huge thing for someone to hear especially you know growing up right absolutely i mean it's little when you're 12 years old near dad's saying hey just you know i love you you're like what the fuck man okay great thanks dad did you say what the fuck dad no of course not I swear my father, he would have... He would have been rather cross with me. Oh, he wouldn't have loved you to death. I would have gotten the omens and eyebrow and I can't imagine

I was swearing in front of my parents. What's the omens and eyebrow? It was the, um, the right eye, I can't do any more since the stroke, but pretty classic the eyebrow raise. Really? So since the stroke, you can't do that? Because I can't look at, I don't look at you and think there's anything wrong, like anything wrong or not working on you, but you know, what are the things that

aren't working? Like if I'm sitting next to my dog My dog licks my left ear I can't feel it in this or makes the side of my face But I know the Yeah the eyebrow doesn't work in where now it's just like both go up Where the eyebrow before was sort of a trademark of my work I was able to convey a lot of emotion with an arched eyebrow

Do you try do you is are there exercises Are there things that they're saying they this could come around This could come around Yeah I mean actually I haven't really talked about that part it's more of the um vocally i'm not what i used to be what you mean like i used to have this sort of really rich deep baritone voice which is not kind of really throaty and just like when we were texting about being articulate right

i didn't mean like intellectually articulate i mean like i get a little mush mouth i tend to speak too fast now and just run run on so i really do have to work on slowing down a rate of speech because everything gets a little garbled so you purposely do that you purposely slow down the way you talk just because you want to make sure you're articulate enough or whatever actually i don't do it enough it's not something that's right in my that i think about enough i think my text back to you was like just hang out with me for half an hour and you'll feel so articulate it was something like that yeah you will feel incredibly articulate um it's funny you brought up my skin cancer thing earlier because uh i'm wearing a hat i wear a hat anyway it doesn't matter i don't

care but i went in there to get a body check before they take the thing you know that they ripped the rest of it out of me and he goes oh let me take that thing off your nose like what he's like it's pre-cancer no big deal i'm like jesus christ so he just do around the word pre-cancer yeah i mean you know it's like i'm like he's like look you're going to live your life normally you're not going to worry about these things you're going to go about your business and this is what it is and that's kind of a really good message in a lot of ways look if he thought you know he's obviously be smart where spf and these things like this by the way i know we're kind of going back and for it but do your doctors say these are certain things i don't want you to eat these are certain

things i don't want you to do there's got to be a list of things that they kind of tell you right sure what are those things uh with me it's like you know don't smoke and um i mean obviously it's just the stroke is that not that i've really smoked but um and then you know watching my cholesterol is one for me i mean i'm 51 now so there is so again we're working we're going back to working out and we were working out, we're talking about the pre-stroke. So I'd lost a bunch of weight. I'd always been sort of a little skinny fat.

I got a little belly I was trying to lose. So I was doing super hard-core cardio and lost a bunch of weight, and that's when I wanted to put on some weight. I just wanted to put on some muscle. That's the weight left hand. And that can be very dangerous, obviously. Which I just found out the hard way. Right.

So you weren't getting help necessarily to do all these things to build, you know, body mass or whatever. But you were doing it on your own, but reading about it and things like, like that correct i mean i was i was going to crossword so i was doing lifting there which i and i had i'd done crossword for years and um eventually got the moment like i don't need to lift these weights anymore and then because i'd got so skinny and i wanted to put some wood on i would say so my vanity almost killed me welcome to fucking hollywood being an actor fuck you know it's so funny too because

i don't think people people always talk about overweight and how they're trying to lose weight and i've always been real real thin in fact i always got picked on or talking out you're skinny or, you know, I didn't, look at these guns. Yeah, well, you know, but I was always skinny, but it's just as hard because I always want to gain weight. I got to look muscles because, you know, I have friends are like, you look too skinny, Rosenbaum. You got to gain some weight.

And I'm like, fuck, you know, so I'll get the gym. And, you know, it's hard. It's hard to gain weight. It's hard to maintain weight. Just as it is hard to lose weight and stay. You know, and I think for actors, it's like, people don't realize everyone talks about sort of girls in their issues. But for men, like, what to check out.

There's men's fitness there, and just as much as there's all the magazines that maybe women are more looking at. Yeah. We're seeing, you know, Hugh Jackman all jacked up. Hugh Jackman all jacked up. That's one of those tongue twisters, you say, before you do a play. After a stroke, that's hard, too. Do you do those? Because I know in theater we do those rubber baby buggy bumpers.

He thrust his fist against the post and still. Yeah, those are so hard now. But do you, does it help you when you keep doing that for speech and things and articulation? Yeah, I think it does. Even sort of like, I'm trying to do some warm, so just like vocal range warmers before I'm talking for a long time. Yeah. But did I do them today?

No, I didn't. You didn't? So I can't bitch you about being old mush meth. I think you sound fine. You know what? I was going to go start kind of like from the beginning in a way and work, but I'm like, you know what? Fuck it.

This is like, this is kind of all together because I guess the big picture is you're a great actor. You're incredibly funny. You've had a lot of success. And, you know, there's so many. ideas and things that I have and I usually think about you know it's it's a lot of guests think it's therapy for me and it is but it's therapy for everybody else it's like how do you how do you look you have two you know beautiful daughters and you have a wife and you're a good loyal guy and you know there's probably no moment in your mind where you're like oh my god fuck this

I don't want to be alive you've never thought that I guarantee no not for me no I would mental health watch you're talking yeah I know I've been very fortunate in that regards where that's not something I've ever really struggled with that that's that's such a that's a gift that really is a gift. It's like, you know, because I know a lot of people, probably including myself, you know, when something happens, there's something about it. Even when I've had these big surgeries and I'm eight months out and I'm in horrible pain and popped up on pills. Do you say popped up on pills or pumped up on pills? I just thought it was hopped up. Well, whatever. This is why you're the articulate one here. Hopped up on pills and you're like, I just, it's almost

there comes a point in your life where you're like, I'm young, I'm indestructible. I, I could do anything and boom. Reality hits you in like surgery. this, that, and you're like, wow, I'm... I mean, one of the things with post-stroke that's been a big sort of topic around my life and people who know me is, and people who don't know me asking you, like, how do you maintain this attitude?

Because I kind of made the decision really early on that a pity party wasn't going to help me. I had that, there was this, there was a counselor at the clinic I was, I go to a neuro rehab clinic every day. and the early stages of my rehab there was a counselor I would see and I sat down one day and she was like how are I'm like I'm great she goes yeah that's what everybody says everybody all the therapists say you're great

what's going on how do you do that we talked for I was like I don't know I think the big point was like I would say my parents were depression era like you don't bitch and wine wow I remember being in the ICU and it kind of slowly starting to think sinking of what happened to me because like right off the stroke I couldn't walk goes in a wheelchair, I mean, I'm not able to walk with the cane shorter distances. Now, now you walk with a cane shorter distance.

So I really had a rehab to learn how to walk. And I still wear a leg brace because the muscles around my left ankle can't support me. So if I weren't wearing the brace would just buckle and I would go down. And my left arm's, my left hand in arm, hand doesn't work. So I'm doing therapies for that. And that's slow, but it's a little bit better than it was. Like before there used to be absolutely nothing in my arm. But now I've got a little short amendment.

So I'm making slow progress. But anyway, so as it was sort of hitting me, what the hell was going on? I'd actually said to myself, wait a second. You became a successful actor. You beat Hollywood. The stroke's nothing. Like recovering from the stroke. I can do this.

What a way, see, to put things in perspective like that. I mean, was it like that from the get-go? Take me back to the point where you wake up in the emergency. room or in the hospital and your wife's there is she with the kids and like what is what's going through your mind and what's going through her mind and what so i when i when the stroke first hit me i was in batham in the temp airport and i collapsed my left late my left late went out in front of me i collapsed got up collapsed again i guess someone got me out into the waiting area where there were some paramedics came and tended to me and they're a bunch of people shouting at me and um you know

they're doing the the stroke checklist of shows your teeth tells you name what you're Here is it, who's the president. And I literally, I was still with enough to think, me, my normally joke had been, haven't I suffered enough? But I was with enough to think, wait a second, you're in Florida. These are first responders.

These are probably Trump people. Don't crack wise, you need these guys on your side. Don't be an asshole right now. Right, right. So I was thinking back clearly enough to do that. And then I remember being in this, putting out of Gertie, and I'm in the back of the ambulance.

My legs are kind of up like this, you know? And I remember looking at the, the texture of my genes. I just noticed the weave of the fabric and it kind of hitting me like this is not good you got a wife and kid you got to get this is not fucking good

and actually as I was waiting for the paramaics to come or whoever was going to come take care of me or sitting in the waiting area I kept falling off the stool because I was trying to lean on this side and I not realize my left arm wasn't working so I'm sitting in and thinking

not knowing what the hell is going on just I kept falling down I'd stand up and fall down Then people gather on me yelling. I remember going to shit, something's not right. Oh, fuck, I never did that in case of emergency thing on your phone. You know, you're supposed to be ice. So at one point, they're talking to me.

I told them to call my wife, and I gave them my wife's phone number. And I said, eventually they're like, okay, we got your wife on the phone. I'm like, yeah, don't freak out of, okay? And they're like, yeah, it's not going to happen. But from my wife's side of the story, it's cut to them screaming at her on the phone. your wife's had your husband's had a stroke get to Tampa immediately

so the worst fucking moment of this poor woman's life oh my God it's like 7 o'clock in the morning so then she makes an emergency phone calls her her best friend

and some other dear friends who's sweeping and scoop in and grab our kids and take care of them and then it was only like months later me after I'm home

that my oldest daughter Lily confided to her mom that she was just in such terror for a really long time not knowing what that was going on, just knowing that I was sick and in a hospital. So it really, I mean, for as much as it affected me,

much more beyond that, it's affected everyone in our household. So it's almost like, you know, you go probably through a process. In a sense, I mean, this is extreme. It's probably not a good analogy. I'm not full of great analogies. But if someone passes away, you go through all these stages, right? You go through or any kind of loss.

You go through, you know, the grief, the anger, the, all these things. there's probably in a sense like this happened to dad we're going through this it's the trauma of it all and then real you know dealing with it all these stages that they have to go through as well i assume absolutely in fact i think affected my daughter norah probably more than affected lily she's just really more sensitive so i think she absorbed it a little more so at one point we sat i sat them down we're all still trying to grasp what that all happened and with the thing like with the brain injury you don't know what you don't know until you kind of presents itself like for me Because it was a right side injury, it affects different things.

It affects the left side. A right hemisphere injury will affect the left side of your body. Then there's other subtle things that go with it, like attention. Like, I couldn't look somebody in the eye. Like, it just took me forever to, like, look at somebody in the eye because I'd get distracted and go off. And it really bothered my youngest daughter that. I couldn't, that I didn't look at it now when I talked to him.

That's something they really had to work on. And once I was made aware of it through my cognitive therapist. How long did something like that take? That was ongoing for months, I would say. to find that it would get a little better and she would sort of make a note of oh, Dad's getting better he's living in the eye now

as we were to... So anyway, Alison, my beautiful wife and I sat the girls down and I like, okay, look, this happened, obviously. And it sucks, so we've got to figure out what the message is here. I said the best I can sort of do is, I think the lesson here is

bad things happen in life, but it's how you respond to them that to find. you. So part of my recovery, my drive to get better was always about, I got to get better for these girls. I got to keep working for them and get back to try and get back to something. I mean, about a week before I had my stroke, Lily and I were hiking up and running

canyon. Where we used to hike, I mean, she and I would hike every day, but a lot of times she would come with her with my dog. It's like, I've got to get back to that canyon spot. Just, in fact, I mean, there's a lot of things I've got to get back to. But one of the overwhelming driving forces was always my girls and my family. I mean, it's crazy when this happened to because I was at the zenith of my career and then professionally said, and then personally, Allison and I just bought like the house for our dreams.

We'd be waiting 10 years to buy. We were literally an escrow when it happened. So I'm in the ICU. She flies in with her best friend, Jensen. Thank you, Jensen. and two of my best friends from high school and my best friend were from L.A. They all fly in to kind of take care of her.

And she's fielding calls from our mortgage broker about are we pulling out of this deal? And I was sort of, the torch I wrote, because I was not in my quite right mind. I was sort of wake up out of these fever dreams going, keep the house, I want the house. There was this pool, and I kept dreaming and rehabbing in that pool.

Right. So I'd wake him, she's like, we've got to make decision. I'm like, keep the house, keep the house. my financial advisor was in Florida and he drove in and he's like don't keep the house we thought we had enough money for it he's like unforeseen medical expenses because that's all I'm going to say you and thank God we didn't keep the house because obviously my career kind of came to a massive halt and I'm working a little bit but surely not the level I was before so my income is certainly up in question it's incredible I mean I can't even

imagine and by the way do you have strokes in any strokes in the family history uh my my grandmother had one but that was an old age kind of stroke right but mine was this weird thing like you never realize that young people have strokes our friend rob benedick you know rob benedick had one of course we have rob bened my dear friend from supernatural right who you open for his band yeah i love him he's such a great guy he's the best so rob had a stroke and um which they never really came to the bottom of what happened but he also had a crowded already this section his was on the side which the left side affects your speech more so he's actually been really instrumental and helped me sort of come to this and guiding him my way of so i would look at him a lot and

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I remember, you know, hearing on the answer machine, and it was like my aunt. And she was like, Michael, it's, it's Denise, please, please call me back as soon as you can. And I just knew. And I remember, you know, the cottage cheese ceiling, you know, that texture. There was one dark dot. I think I've talked about this, but on the ceiling. And I just remember staring at it for 15 minutes and just sort of just zoned in on it, kind of taking. It was just this hyper-focused, like evaluation of what, how are you going to deal with this?

Prepare yourself. and everything sort of becomes at that Hitchcock soon exactly and it was like this is what you have to do and I went from absolute fear and just devastation to I've got to call my mother and tell her that our mother's dead I'm the one who has to call all these people I have to be the sane one which I mean look at me Timothy it's not it's not easy to say that but um it's just I mean you can sit here you're obvious incredibly brave and and you know I just keep thinking you know such a great actor and you are and then right after After this, you know, they're able to, for Syke, for the, they're doing a movie, Lassie Returns,

which is kind of a twist on your character's name, right? Yeah, my character's called Lasseter. Right. His nickname was Lassie. So they called, it was called Lassie Come Home. We're going to be official with the titles. And they had to re-figure the script to kind of get you, they wanted to get you in there? Yeah, so especially the, we did two movies.

The first movie happened as I was, just after, while I was in the, really the big throws of my recovery. they were filming the first movie. So James Rodei and Steve Franks, our creator of the show, pulled up at Joey's right across the street from the Sun Place Hotel in Vancouver, which was kind of our clubhouse. They sat there for three days and rewrote the entire movie to get me into a cameo. Which, by the way, we shot right back here. So I shot, so they wanted to make sure I could get in the movie

to make my insurance to get paid. So they reduced my roll down to a FaceTime call with Maggie. Lawson and um again just the love of these guys showed for me to to get me in the movie and then the second movie was really all about his recovery I'm just thinking so we were back here shooting in the in the guest house we show so seeing and at the end I'm standing from sort of outside here in the backyard and I asked James to help me walk to the front of the house and I was walking with a stick and he goes hey remember when you couldn't walk at all I was like oh shit I do that's right I couldn't walk.

So it's little moments like that where, um, you know, there was this, uh, when I was in this clinic, we would every now, every now and every now and I have like a group, a group chat with him. Someone would be asked to speak. And there was this guy there who was, um, a little older, sort of very salt to the earth. And, um, I think he was a farmer, but it could have been a longshoreman for Lano, but he was talking about how he hated being in, in the clinic. And before the clinic, we were in, I called it a halfway house for strokes.

because you're in sort of a residential living facility to kind of learn how to take care of yourself a little bit in whatever ways you can't. But so they're watching, it's something you go from being a very private person to having eyes on you 24-7. This guy was talking about living in this fishbowl and how much he hated it.

But then he said the best thing that I ever heard, I've really taken it with me and taken it hurt. We said, honor the milestones. So with recovery, you really have to honor the milestones to think back like, oh, that's right. I used to not people to walk. I have an album on my,

a photo album on my phone, of what I call my recovery album. I'm just videos of me when I started learning how to walk again. And just every kind of little milestone of like trying to get my hand to move. And I would, I spent a lot of time sort of texting people and voice messaging with people and sending videos back and forth with friends in the UK. So I look back at those and just to see where my voice was then. What's amazing is, you know, you're doing this.

And the one thing that comes to mind for me is shouldn't we be doing that all? all the time and life where we're like, hey, take this moment, man. This is a great moment in your life. Take this moment. Don't go past it. Just say, hey, this is an achievement. This is, you've accomplished this. This is a, and I think we do that.

I know I do it constantly where it's like being grateful. But in your position, it's like the condition you're in, you're like, you can think how can I be grateful? But like every step along the way you are. It's like these achievements. And you're like, I am going in the right direction. I am getting better. I'm able to walk.

I wasn't walking. This is, this is, oh, my God. You know, people take for granted. Like, I could see things every day. Some people can't. So, I don't know, it's pretty, it's pretty powerful stuff. It's, you know, I try to go to bed every night and say, what are you grateful for? Don't think of all the shit you haven't done.

Don't think of all the bad things you're going to say about yourself and then go into nightmares because that's the stuff that gets you into nightmares. Why don't you think, you know, positive things. And so it's just, it's just amazing. You know, I will say like your cat, the cast. I mean, were the cast from Supernatural and the cast from Syke, how? Unbelievable. Did they come?

When was the first time they saw you? I mean, when they came and saw you. Let's see. I know Maggie and James DeLay came to visit me in my rehab clinic and had launched me one time. And one of my physical therapists, hey, Rebecca. I don't see this, but was a huge psych fan and said that Syke was the show that got hurt through med school.

So it kind of tricked me I'm like, here's this woman who's helping help me to re-learn how to walk and Syke is the show that helped get her you know, get her through that, that really tough part of college to do that. Wow. Who didn't keep their shit together? Someone had to cry immediately when they saw you.

No, they were all pretty stony. Really? None of them, they're like, you know, because there's that thing where we've got to be strong. We've got to make them laugh. We've got to do everything. I'd be like, oh, do it the, oh, fuck, man. I assume they were crying on the inside, but trying to be strong. for me. Right, right, right. But, I don't know. In fact, and then while I was really covering, those guys were all

filming in the movie. And while they were filming, they would send me videos of, we had this tradition on our show singing happy birthday. You have to ask Magpie, that's when you have on. I was singing happy birthday to someone. Like, if there was a guest star we really loved or director, somebody we really, like, got along with, who sort of like one of us, and they were wrapped, we would sing, happy birthday. But it was more than just happy birthday. It meant and we love you. And Michael Chikoni, who was our A-camera operator, who shot every

scene I think we ever did in that series. He was sort of hit the first note. We all had a, there was like a band. You know, there's a crew band. So he would hit the first note of just this big old ha. And we all knew it was on. And then this entire crew would sort of hit the note

and 200 people would sing this amazing harmony version of happy birthday. and the person we were singing to was like what the fuck it's going on and then we'd applaud so it's just our way it's just our little way of saying hey you're one of us you're one of us we love you right

and so while I was recovering and they were shooting the movie they came up with Team Tim and they um would send me videos of them shooting in Vancouver seeing a happy birthday to me which I mean that's the kind of stuff that got me through all this friends like that and friends outside of

that show that really just helped me together, kept me motivated to go. And then the, while we were shooting, apparently while I was shooting that scene with Maggie, my, my FaceTime scene back here, she was always seen in Vancouver. She said the story, the entire crew kind of gathered around her to support her while she was shooting,

because it was really emotional scene for her character, me. So she apparently was a mess that day. And our first city came up and said, look behind you, and she saw the whole, the whole crew just like waiting there for her. to represent me the most amazing group of people

by the way the happy birthday song were there any people that at the end of their shot shooting they didn't get a happy birthday song because no one could stand them there might have been I'm not going to say any names

I had to think you just couldn't say it would be kind of like if you did it for everybody that's really kind but if you're saying you loved working it means we love you there had to be a fear you're like I ain't singing this fucking song and I certainly am not harmonizing

for this asshole I'll tell my head I can't remember exactly which we had so many amazing guests on that show I can remember which ones right that's amazing that show like because it was Vancouver if you came up for the weekend you're you're coming to the show you're going to be there for the weekend there was going to be a dinner there were going to be drinks if that if you drink so we were really social group and social with our guest cast right yeah I always thought it was like one of the best shows to work on it was just incredible from so many people's always like psych psych you know the people and it was just a you're just a you're

so easy and so fun and you know james in fact delay they'll i mean they said something like they just wouldn't allow assholes to come on so they did there's a total no asshole policy they're like yeah they make a call and go hey this guy's not what you know this can't happen you can't you know and actually that that pause i mean that attitude of being a great show which we all took great pride in it being a place you want to come and work on that really came from james and dule i know which ones i'm not I don't know who's going to claim the most. I'm sure we'll fight over. Because I think James was number one on the call sheets.

We'll give him most credit there. But Deulay was definitely a massive part of that. Let me ask you this. How hard is it to be realistic with too optimistic with what your doctors you're telling? Because you hear stories where they'll say, oh, you're never going to walk again. And then the guy's running marathons. You hear stories. So you can never really believe when doctors say this is as good as it's going to get.

Is there a big party that's like five years from now? I'm going to be able to do 90% of what I used to be able to do, 70% or 80. Yeah, I mean, nobody's ever really said, you're never going to do this again or that again. Although at the time, which I didn't realize this, I learned this later. They apparently told my wife that my neurosurgeon was afraid I was never going to walk again. I walked into a restaurant with my, I was meeting my manager, my agent for dinner. And every time they're like, oh, fuck, look at you walking now. Because restaurants are hard because there's usually stairs.

And I have a vision break in my left side. So anytime you're walking into a room, it's just, it's overwhelming. So just to be able to walk into a restaurant that I'd never been at and get to the table and sit down. And I'm going, geez, you're looking at how good you're walking. Then Allison told them that. I was like, wait, why do you ever told me this? I do remember very specifically being in the ICU and every day my surgeon, Juan Valdivia. Hey, Juan, shout out, Juan.

Juan, Valdivia. Thank you for. I just have to have, like, one of the best neurosurgeons in the state was on call that night. And I got to have dinner with him a few months ago. Obviously, pre-COVID. Was he blown away by your recovery? It was very sweet. Every day he would come in and we talked to the story, actually.

And he reminded me the number of the bed I was in. And he would squeeze my left foot to see if I could feel it. And I could never feel it. So one day, they wheeled me into a room. And he shows me my cat scan. And this portion is, you know, this portion is all gray. And I remember thinking, oh, gray matter. It really is gray matter.

but it was totally shadowed. Like, because you can see where the stroke was, like there was so much brain damage on that side. He said, so this is where you had your stroke. It was massive because I've got to tell you, most people went out of survived a stroke like us. We just kind of sat back and was like, what do I do with that information?

It's like, fuck, now what do I do? Wow. I guess I've got to get back from this. You know, one thing I do under us, you talk about, I think you said bravery. Yeah. Handsomeness. Oh, yeah, of course.

Style, style, style, talent. talent overwhelming talent um sag insurance sag insurance for now as long as i can keep it you will but um part of the bravery thing and it's really i mean a lot of people have reached out and saying you know you're you're an inspiration and that's really lovely in fact i've got this to show off my my fancy shirt i just my daughter designed this unbroken i love it so we were selling these to a company called stands to help raise money for the stroke association to bring awareness to stroke survival stroke prevention and rehab

But part of the broken thing, I just want to, I mean, it's not a brand no idea. But I can think about how you can bend a stick or tree branch to a certain point until it breaks. I just kind of like, I'm not broken yet. I'm unbroken. And so through this and meeting other strokes of virus, get a lot of really lovely interaction with people saying I'm inspirational. But I really do want to address the burglary part. Early out of me going, yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm not going to wallow in that.

I'm not going to sit and wallow. I'm not going to have a pity party in the corner, where that's one thing. I mean, morning your physical health or mental health or emotional health, I mean, a lot of ways to feel like maybe I haven't really been dealt with it. So I haven't really delved into what I can't do. I really try and focus on what I can do, rather what I can do. But I don't know how brave it is, but I haven't really sat in it too much because I'm almost afraid. And my wife had to talk about this a little bit.

I'm almost afraid if I do get there, If I do go to that point, I'll get really angry and maybe won't be able to recover from that. So I've just been sort of stiff upper lip. But again, I don't know that's the healthiest way to go. Well, it's got to be braver. That's something I'll go to analysis and really dealt into it. Yeah, because it amazes me.

I, you know, I think, gosh, how many breakdowns would I have had within the first, you know, month? Like, God, why the, oh, like, yeah, just like, you know, what, I'm sure. And it's just like, you know, everyone has different ways of dealing with it. But, you know, it's amazing. I think, you know, what I gather, you know, briefly what we talked about in the beginning, just this upbringing and this love. And then you think about your family and suffering through the depression. You've got these two wonderful

girls. You've got this wife and you've been so lucky. Somehow in your mind, you've been sort of programmed inadvertently or whatever that, you know, that's why you were able to put things in perspective like you did. The way you handled is the way that that's, of course how Tim is going to handle it. I think a big part of it also is I was always an optimist I mean, I was always a what's on the other side of that ill kind of guy? I mean, I think you've got to be

to be an actor. Because you come into this town and you're like, I'm going to try to do this thing that they give you the numbers. Like, if you really let this into the numbers, no one would ever really try this. She's like, of course, of course nobody's going to work. Nobody's going to succeed. So because there's always been, yeah, let's give me a shot. Let's see what's

over that. Let's keep going moving forward. And I've always been a, um, it could always be a worst kind of guy. I mean, I have a friend with a terminal disease. So it's like, what am I going to see here and bitch him on and cry because I can't walk, I can't run or hike I used to? So it's like, you know, you really have to look around. I've got plenty of friends, plenty of friends with MS who are having really difficult

time. So I know a lot of people that are in much worth situations to me. And I think just having a perspective of positivity has always been, has helped me kind of look at things. differently and now when I'm in the situation. Yeah. And knowing you're loved, by the way, knowing the overwhelming amount of love that you've been given.

That's massive. It's massive. I think that has to be such a big part of just like so many people are rooting for you and like the fans and the psychos and the, I mean, it's just, I could tell. And having that being loved that much, I mean, being loved is important alone, but being loved that much has got to give you the strength

or help with the strength to get through things. It really does. I mean, it absolutely does, knowing that there's people out there who give a shit of how I'm doing that day. And the other days, I don't want to go to the clinic. Like, I'm tired. Oh, fuck. It's my leg hurts.

But I think of my friends who are rooting for me. And the people in the different phantoms out there who were just so pulling for me and reaching out in various ways, it's like, I've got to get up up my ass and got to go do this. Because in a way, I don't want to let them down. I want to let my kids. and I want to let myself down, my wife down. You know, Madge and I always had this saying on the show. Like, you know, it doesn't matter how great a job is.

I've always tried to think of, I don't have to go to work. I get to go to work. Yeah, that's nice. One of my best friends from Seattle is, um, an ER nurse, like, during COVID. So he's under incredible stress. And we kind of, we check in quite a bit. And our other, our friend Mike is, um, a very positive man. and Darren at the end of a really long day

we'll kind of check and go I get to help some really vulnerable patients who were sick today it's like really like he just faces every morning waking up going this is what I get to do these are the people I get to help one goes like well thank God you got out of bed that day

so several years ago I can't do time anymore so I don't remember when it was I really can't know you're smiling I can't I can't tell you like oh yeah it was 10 years ago could have been five years ago could have been 20 but somewhere during psych I don't know which season I was fortunate enough to get to go to

the Middle East to visit troops so I was in Qatar for a week at a place called Camposalaya which was the main R&R base for both Iraq and Afghanistan so soldiers were coming in literally from the field for like four days of ER or R&R and you just started

I mean I'm not saving a lot I'm sitting there shoot to shoot the sheet with these men and women and tell them they're appreciated. And one day I'm talking to this young guy. Like, hey man, how do you like the base? Like, there's a pool, there was a bar, and it's a nice gym. And I like, how do you like this? What do you think?

Is this okay? And he goes, sir, they can me three beers a day, and nobody's trying to kill me. It's a okay. And that really just pierced my heart with three beers a day. Because if they would give you a ticket for like, you could get three beers in the, in the bar. So I went back to the set of, so I told him I get the story. whenever we get a little bitch here about oh our trailers are too far from

yeah no matter how again no matter how great a job is there's always something that pisses you off like our trailers are how far from the set I gotta walk how far what and then you'd say I'm getting hell on for lunch so if we get a little snippy she could look at me or I could look at her and go

hey Maggie three beers hey okay shut the fuck up good wine bitch right or asshole if she's talking to me well look this is it's a it's a amazing how you put things in perspective. And I know you say that, that, you know, this is, look, I mean, that's, that's what happens. You, you make a decision. It's like I could either crumble or I could, you know, but like, overall, do you really think I'm going to be back on my feet and turn, I'm going to be acting? I'm going to be, I'm going to get strong. Is there a real, a reality to it in terms of like, or do you just say, I'm going to get as, I'm going to keep going as hard as I can to get. I mean, what do you want? What do you want to do? Where do you see yourself five, 10 years from now?

God, that's the million-dollar question. I really don't know. All I know is I just need to keep plugging away because I do see myself getting, my walking's getting faster and stronger. And my wife picks me up at the clinic and all, and she'll say, how was school today? You'd call it school.

It's like, you'll never know what I did in school today. You'll never believe it. So I can give her these updates. The other day, I was able to, like I was working on This Is Us and there's, I have a line on that show where I play a stroke survivor. And my line is, I'm just trying to walk one mile.

My goal right now is to walk one mile the day. So I kind of took that and I was like, I just want to walk a mile. And so eventually one day I was able to get a half a mile. I was stuck in my therapy because you keep going, you'll get a mile on, no problem. It was one day where I realized I looked at my watch, you know, the bedelmon run. And I hit him over a mile and a half from that was working on the treadmill in the morning and when I got home in night, so working on again. So I take a picture out and send it and tell my friends and say, look at this shit. Wow. So I mean, I keep and so I know I readjust my goals. I know that

things that I want to do. I want to get back. I was a big fly fisherman. So I may never wait in a river again. My buddy, who I go, Cliff, oh, it's the brother. I got to call Cliff. I'm going to call Cliff. Cliff, come on. He'll call you. I'll get back. So, anyway, I was talking to Cliff, who's one of the main fish buddies. I was like, I'll waitings overrated. Just sit in the boat with the beer. So you kind of need a left hand to work the line after you hook a fish. So these guys send me, there's an adaptive rod holder that they send me

and I'm trying to work out. But I was able to put, there's a line in Lassie to come home, which is all about Lasseter's recovery from getting shot and having a stroke. Where I say, and it really mirrored a lot of what I was going through in my own life emotionally. And James and Steve were great about, just do it. So I was able to talk about, you know, what if I don't get better, How am I going to teach Lily to fish with one? My daughter on the show's name is also Lily,

which piss snore off, I think, a little bit, rightfully so. So I say, how am I going to teach my Lily to flyfish with just one hand? So these are things I really am trying to get to. But prognosis wise, nobody really says, it's going to be this or that. And even they did, I just got to go on. I know I'm getting better. There's something called neuroplasticity, which is the brain rewiring itself. So I've seen the effects of it with the fact that my left arm used to be entirely flaccid.

And now, like, there is some movement in it. That's got to be a good feeling. I mean, it's, it's, you know, in the beginning, you're probably thinking, you know, the road just seems so long, you know, ahead of you. And then it's probably, you hit a point where you're like, oh, well, well, these things are starting to happen. I'm seeing, that's got to be really exciting to start to see this kind of go as, as time goes on. I mean, obviously, it's probably a little impatient, too. It's like, come on, fucking arm, you know, or whatever. I'm not impatient, yeah.

But I know, I just, I got to, I got to put the work in to get there. Yeah. So, I mean, the main thing I have, which, like, I've got my sense of humor, like, that wasn't, thank God, that might, my wit wasn't taken away. Actually, James Woodday was like, is it just me? Or did it take it funny or after this trope? God bless him. So it's like, I still got my sense of humor and hope. So I have endless amounts of hope.

Like, hope is all we have. I was some of those strokes of everybody on, we talked to me on Instagram the other day, who's having a hard time. I was like, what you have is hope. So you just got to keep on that. And it's one thing. I'm lucky enough that I was able to fight. I was not overwhelmed by melancholia, if you want to call it. If we want to be an 1880s debutante, say, I've got melancholia.

Like I wasn't overwhelmed by. I was able to go, I'm going to try and fight this. Well, obviously, there's a lot of people who don't have that ability to do that. Well, it's certainly inspiring to hear someone, you know, talk about that. and just hearing you say, this is what you have to do. The only way you're going to get better, if you're going to be melancholy and depressed and angry all the time, that's just making it so much harder on yourself, obviously.

But we don't think like that. But if you have the ability to make the decision to say, hey, I'm going to stay positive, I'm going to each achievement I have, I'm going to be grateful. And that's the direction I'm going. Hearing that from you, if someone's out there or other people that it's happened to, I think that is incredibly encouraging

and that can change someone's mindset because they could look at your progress. Yeah, I think progress is really how you got to judge it. I mean, everybody's case is obviously different. People have, with a stroke or traumatic brain injury, when your brain is affected, everybody's going to heal differently. It depends on how quickly they got help,

how quickly they were able to get into therapy. And thank God I have health insurance that covers my therapy. Yeah. All right, this is shit talking with Timothy Umanson. This is, uh, from my patrons who get to ask questions. So there's, these, this is rapid fire. You could just go whatever you want, but shit talking. Although they're not really shit talking. Jennifer asked Timothy, I love both psych and supernatural. Which character was more fun for you, Carlton or Kane? Um, how do you choose which baby you love the most? Easily. Uh, I would say

Carlton. That's hilarious. That I would say Carlton. Are you right? The guy, I don't know. I don't have a cane bug. Oh, I'd have some cane fan art over there, but I got me. That guy, that was good. Dave P, it's obvious of the close-knit family atmosphere instead of psych. Does that spill over in everyday life? Do you get together with others on holidays, week that ends or a meal?

Yes. I mean, COVID's obviously broken that up. I think I spent the last three Christmases with Maggie and James, which is weird thinking this year, it's like, oh, we're not going to be able to do the, they're not going to become over for Christmas, our Christmas Eve party. But Deulay and I were just texting yesterday about trying to get together for a distance drink. Yeah, I'll do a voice memo and I'll sing an 80 song. I go, who sings this?

And James will immediately get it and Dele goes, I don't give a shit. I don't care about these songs. And then every once in a while, he'll get one. Let's see. Chemistry with Danny, sorry, he already asked. The chemistry on psych was just amazing. So that's the question. Daniel M.

How much did you enjoy playing Almost God and Luce? I enjoyed it immensely. I was very close to home. Obs. Like, finally, the roll that's right for me. God, God, Almighty. Although I did, Tom Ellis's eyes

are so freaking blue. So I was like, okay, I'm not going to not competing with Tom. Yeah, he seems like a nice guy. A lot of, um, it's like, shit, I'm being rivaled for my blue eyes. Damn it. She was lots of like crystal blue eyedrops put in.

Did you love hearing that on Seth? that people go, gosh, your eyes look great. Would the makeup artist come over to you and go, your eyes are just, they just pop. You got that, admit it. Yeah, sure. Of course. Your eyes are beautiful.

My gosh, they really pop the angle. They have 100 mil on you. And it's right up to your chest. And it's just like, your eyes are just blue. It was mostly the DP. It's like, buddy, please. How are they doing? They're good right now?

We should this way that way. Or that way? Okay. Tilt down your chair. exactly where the light's perfect and I won't move my head. Hey, this has been incredible and I already feel like I love you and I want to hang with you. And again, as you my friend, as soon as this COVID things ever, do you drink? You know, I'm not a big drinker, but I will come and have a drink for sure.

I'm not like I won't drink. I just don't. I'll bring you over some, uh, welling and I made some wine that, uh, Stephen Amel. He was like, you want to have your own wine and your own labels and you taste them. And so they sold them on knocking point wines or whatever. And we got to make all the stuff. and so I still have tons of bottles because, you know, I'm not a big drinker, but I'll bring you over a couple bottles.

I got a good porch. We could sip there. We would just some porch sit. I would love that. What does your doctor say about your drinking? They're kind of like, well, you just want to take it easy. I did have a seizure once after a night of a few too many scotches and maybe one-time new beers, but I also wasn't taking my seizure medication.

So we realized I am susceptible to seizure, so I do have to be a little careful about that. Here's the one of the most tragic things about my stroke. alcohol does infect me the way you used to It's what it takes a long time And a lot of boost for me to get a buzz going Which is really freaking sad Does something from trying though Wow

Hey lastly Go ahead what No the problem is I wake up with a lot of headaches You do always wake up with headaches Not always but it's like I realize if I'm going to have Because I don't necessarily get a little buzz I'll maybe keep drinking We're watching some TV

My wife and her binge on TV at night I'll have a few glass of wine. Then do I really want more? It's like, sure, I want more because I'm sitting here watching some TV, so I'll have another drink. Then the morning I go, I'm like, why did I do that? It's not like I'm vomiting a hangover, but just like, that's a little soul. I mean, so I probably shouldn't be drinking, but, no, I mean, my neurologist hasn't said, no, don't do that. Right.

Says enjoy it to be smart. You're like, but I can't, I don't get drunk so easily, so I have to drink more wine. Well, just take it easy. And then it becomes sort of an overall whole thing of like, well, then it may be, don't. It's like, why is my, my belly kept getting fat? Well, because I had someone to Troy one. Hey, listen, on Larry King, you said

someone who inspires you. And I thought that you guys knew each other, but you said Selma Blair. I did say that. No, I don't know someone. I think we were Instagram friends. Well, I text her after and I said, I sent her that. She's like,

oh my God, that is so, you know, and she was so, she was so, I don't know, she was just, she really loved it. And I go, well, why don't you do an introduction on, you know, so I think she's going to come and do an intro for this interview and just kind of talk about her thing for a little, like, you know, a few minutes and just, you know, because it was like, it's amazing that. No, but she really does. She does. I mean, I just know her through her social media post and see the struggle she, how gracefully she's handling her struggles of, again, being a single mother

and that wretched disease she has. And there's a gal who's never going to throw herself a pity party. Yeah. She is. She is freaking strong. And she's, so honest and forthcoming and just you know she's an open book that's what i've always loved about her is that she is an open book she's sort of like this is who the fuck i am and i there's you know i give her a lot of credit for that you know i've been learning how to do that more especially having the podcast she's sorry to interrupt um she is really been an inspiration she's the one because at the time when i first had the stroke i was really kind of hiding the effects of it because i mean i i didn't want to work again i didn't want i didn't want suddenly a form

my disability, intermediate my possibility of getting work. And so, like, I never, I was really careful to never really have pictures in the wheelchair. And, um, me, now it's kind of totally different. But DeLay Hill, actually, we were shooting the second movie up in Vancouver. And we went out to Kids Beach, which is one of our favorite places, having lived in Vancouver so long. My kids were raised on the beach. And there's a, there's a wheelchair mat on the beach, which is a lovely.

So I was able to walk out on this mat and sort of stand there. and Allison, my wife, got a picture of me standing there, which is this picture that I absolutely love. And DeLay's when it's like, you know, you need pictures of you in the wheelchair to inspire people to go, hey, look at this motherfucker. Like, he is living his life. Yeah. And it really, it absolutely turned my head around.

He was absolutely right. And then I looked at what someone post and how just on a sheet was. And I realized how much inspired me and thought, well, maybe I can help inspire us to people as well and to not be hiding this. Well, you have. You've done an amazing job of that. And I think it is helping a lot of people. It's going to help a lot of people.

And, you know, Rob Benedict telling his story in the podcast, Jamie Lynn Sigler telling her story about MS and, you know, and Selma, just people opening up, it just gives people hope. And at the end of the day, it's like, you know, I always think, you know, when my time goes, I just want to be able to say, hey, I help people. I had a good heart. I wanted to do what I could. You know, those are the things that I think that you take with you. I don't think you think about them very often, obviously, when you're younger and you're going through Hollywood and you're like doing this and, you know, you just, and then one day, kind of go, well, if I can help someone, man, that is, to me, that's life. You know, I always noticed I'm the happiest and most emotional when I can help someone, you know, and especially when it's altruistic, when it, when it isn't like, oh, you know, it's sort of like you're doing it because you just, you have to do it because you feel it. it's not because you're like oh this will be good for me

I'll get some press for this that's not what it's about I mean you know what I mean so yeah I know like I never said when the local news would air stuff of celebrities you know working a soup kitchen over Thanksgiving it's like no you want to keep that on the down low I mean obviously it's nice healthy but it's like hey look at me

feeding these poor people I got awesome I am but um sorry I just lost my train before that are you saying um no yeah but like you know it's a different between people just like sort of uh doing it because they just want to do this not because they're getting pressed for like mark mart messia was a hockey player right in hl great i've said this before i think but he said you know the character of someone when you watch them do things when the cameras aren't rolling when you see how good of a person they are when the cameras aren't rolling and that

just sat with me and it's like that's exactly what it's about i mean and the fact that you and i are looking up to have the platforms we do it's like how do i use this for some good I mean, how blessed am I to have the social media following that I do, which is lovely for my ego, but it was like, how can I really do something like, I'm not just checking my my neural likes. I'm trying to do something positive in the world. I sort of hit a moment the other day where it's like the flashback Fridays and throwback Thursdays and way back Wednesdays.

I found that I was just posting pictures where I looked awesome. I was like, look how cool I look at this picture. I'm going to post it. And then I tried to come up with something else like where I would sort of post stuff for gratitude Tuesday or thankful Thursday. There's going, here was a moment where I was so grateful for. Yeah. I think it's good to mix those up. There's no reason why.

I'm still posting pictures where I look awesome. Yeah. I was just going to say. There's, you know, the other day I posted an Instagram of me because they had this app on Snapchat. I don't even use Snapchat. I just use it for the little pictures and the things you could do to your face. And then I save them. I don't like use Snapchat.

but it was a bald one and i was lex luther again i was like and i posted it and people like what the fuck and it looks so cool i was like holy shit this is great but it's you know look we have a platform so i think it's it's great to say oh there's a really good picture of me uh here's the wonderful things i get to do and hey well let's uh this is uh let's save lives here and let's help uh people i think that all those things are good you know well some of them awesome michael we're really incredible that's what the theme of this whole thing this podcast was So, well, we've really done it. I love us.

Yeah, good for us. Good for us, Timothy. At a boy, Michael. Yeah, you too. Back at you. Well, listen, happy birthday. And, dude, this has been great.

I really, I loved every minute of it. And I hope you had fun. I had a lovely time talking to me. I can't wait to get to do this in person in one of these days. Yeah, we're going to do the wine thing. And I'm like, I'm like porridge with some wine. And by the way, this is so good because so many people that,

they're just going to, I think they're going to love this. I mean, people love you. So I think this is going to be really good for. Well, thanks, man. All right. Well, I'm going to keep in touch and bother you every once in a while, so get used to it. Rosie, say the word, man. I'll beat you to it. All right. Much love to you, man. Thank you again. I'm going to say this, Rosie. I love you. I love you, too.

I'll see you soon. All right, buddy. There you have it, guys. If you enjoyed today's show, please, please subscribe and on YouTube. I love it. I love you watching the videos, telling me what you think. I do go back and respond to a lot of them. I look at all your responses and your messages, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. and make sure you subscribe on the audio. Keep listening and telling all your friends.

And we have a great episode coming up next week. It's going to be a big one. And I've been trying to get this person for a long time. So you're going to want to stay tuned to see who that is. I think you're going to really love it. You've seen them in everything. Once again, the handles, Ryan. At Inside of You pod on Twitter,

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It's a lot of fun. And a lot of the same people come back. And boy, do I love them and appreciate their support. And we, you know, their prizes. So we zoom people after the show. And we have a lot of fun. doing it. I wanted to continue, man. If I could just do music for the rest of my life, forget about it. And of course, the inside of you store take 15% off inside. Use the code inside 15.

Go to the inside you store. Tons of great stuff. Right now, why don't I read off the wonderful patrons that support the show and really are the reason, a lot of the reason why I kept this thing going before Westwood One came on. And that's been going great. And I hope it continues, but it doesn't continue without your support. So there you go. Also, I can't I can't say anything, but there was some really cool. I had a really good conversation with someone last week about a potential job. Maybe. Oh.

It's just, I'm not going to say anything. All I'm going to say is it is something I think that I would like to do. I think you should do it too. Well, let's not talk about it anymore. Okay. But believe me, when I do announce it, if it does happen, which would. be dull next year i will uh i will tell you guys first but i don't know what it is i mean you don't know what it is i sort of maybe know what it is could be horror who knows uh here's a shout out to

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and we add names to it i don't know if we play it while we're just listening so we don't have to keep recording it but you know you tell people as part of the patrons top tiers that you mention you give a shout out so couldn't a shout out be their names in a song Mm-hmm. You could do it, Billy Joel. We didn't start the fire style. We didn't start. Emily S and C.N. J.P. Yeah, that'd be tough, but we could do it. Emily S. C.J.P., Samantha, M. Hamza B. Jennifer N., Jackie P. Stacey L. Carly H., Jennifer S. G., Cary B. Tap of the 272. Not to be confused with. Tap of the 273. Ashley R. Kimberly B. Crystal H. Mike E. Marissa N. Jack S. Slater's back. Ramira, Beth B. Santiago M. Sarah F. Chad, Chad. Lee Ann P. Roshan.

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Natalie 623, of course. Allie B. Henry S. Katie F. Daniela V. Liliana A. Those are the patrons.

And by the way, I love each and every one of you, whether you're on this list or not. and in fact i have to send my merch boxes i have 20 boxes in there that i have to send out and i have to pack it up i think i start i think i probably need to get more merch i have so much if you get the same thing you know i did send you the letter but i'm gonna you know the little no but anyway that's the show uh ryan thank you as always thank you and uh keep up the killer work man killer work dude uh bryce i love you buddy thanks for everything and sunspin

come and watch us on a stage it and we'll have merch eventually but the album's going to come out soon and we play a couple of the songs and even when we play them on stage it as good as I think they sound they're fun there's just so full we got my good friend Emma Fitzpatrick on vocals and Elliot Yamin from American Idol he has a great voice new songs coming out um who else uh great musicians Billy Moran and Rob Humphreys and just a good great musicians and I'm really excited about it and I love making the left on Laurel album and now this is just the next level. It's just, uh, you know, I'm trying to expand and, and keep writing music, keep doing what I love. And I think that's important for all you guys out there. It doesn't

matter if you're great at it or good at it or if you just enjoy it. You just got to do it, man. Just just do it. And that's my cue. The gardeners are here. So I'm going to say goodbye. Thank you for allowing to be inside of each and every one of you. Until next time, Ryan. Bye. Bye. Hi, I'm Joe Sal C. Hi, host of the stacking Benjamin's podcast. Today, we're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000. What would you do? Put it into a tax advantage retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home. Something nice. Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this addition that we're adding. $50,000. I'll buy a new podcast.

You'll buy new friends. And we're done. Thanks for playing everybody. We're out of here. Stacky Benjamin's follow and listen on your favorite platform.