Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - TOM HOPPER: Shocking UMBRELLA ACADEMY Revelation, Parental Learning Curves & Bittersweet Endings

Episode Date: August 27, 2024

Tom Hopper (The Umbrella Academy, Black Sails) joins us this week to share his experience in this industry from finding balance in his health amid physically demanding roles to the grounded perspective that parenting has brought him. Tom talks a lot about Umbrella Academy’s bittersweet ending, uncomfortable pain in early seasons, and everything in between. We also talk about the impostor syndrome that comes with new projects, being good vs. being right, and his experience on fan favorites like Dr. Who and Game of Thrones.  Thank you to our sponsors: 🦰 Nutrafol: https://nutrafol.com + "inside" 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Rosenbaum. Thank you for joining me again today. This is exciting. Ryan's here. He's had some car issues, but I'm just talking about your new car. And then all of a sudden, you know, it's amazing how like a wrench can get just thrown into something. Like everything's going smoothly and then boom. You forget because I'm like, ah, this new car, first car in 12 years. I'm like, things are looking up. And then you're like, oh, shit, I'm still the one driving it.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, you just got a, but that's what happens. It's like, all of a sudden, everything is great. And then all of a sudden something gets in your way. And you're like, all right, let's just solve this. You're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, life still happens. It doesn't just stop.

Yeah, let's just fix this and move on. It's part of things. Yeah, it's part of things. It's just the way it is. But thanks for listening. Thanks for making this. Look, if you're Tom Hopper fan and you actually like this episode and all we do is encourage you to subscribe and listen and give this podcast a shot because even if you don't

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And let's get inside of the great Tom Hopper. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. So yes, I was saying about you, Michael. I was saying podcasts like yours. Right.

And you yourself, you know, There is a, I always love it when you have these long-form conversations. Because you know, you do these, like, we're doing this press store at the minute for Umbrella Academy and you end up doing all these shows, which are fine, you know, they're good, but you have these like five-minute segments. And they're so formulaic. And you have to be just on like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Well, you feel like you do because they come with this energy. You know, the host. What's it like? Yeah, they're like, so, Tom. You're here in L.A., you're doing, you're like, you're like, yeah, and you feel like you should match that energy and you kind of have to go against it. Right. And I just love just having a normal conversation, but you feel like you're,

you've got to get, like, certain points across in this tiny little moment, which is like five minutes, which goes by so quick. Yeah. I agree. I think it's like it's, it's, you can really get to know someone a little bit better. You don't have to force things. Just let things flow. And it's, uh, you know, I've had some great conversations. And what's funny is it's kind of, it's therapy for me. So I learn a lot from the guests. Yeah, it's great. Like if something helps you, I'll give it a shot. Even if it doesn't work for me, I'm going to give it a shot to go, hey, you know, he does that. And he's, he's, he's pretty good. sense of, you know, what's going on in the world and health-wise. And so especially I look at

you, you're like an Adonis and blue jeans over here. You know, it's just like, you know, you work out probably every day. I like to do something every day, yeah. But then that for me is my, my therapy, really. And I think I realized that quite early on that was like when, because I played a bit of sport, you know, growing up. What sports you play? I played rugby. football or soccer as you guys we call it yeah um played a bit of roller hockey because ice hockey wasn't that i played ice hockey so but the the health thing is like is it something that's always been part of your you know you're just you part of you no not always the health thing there's been a journey for me because i had a period like growing up like i ate anything and

everything tons of junk food and i actually got sick quite a lot as a kid. Like I always had like some kind of virus and it was always like fighting something. And that was kind of the norm. I just thought it was like normal to feel like that all the time. Right. And then I actually did this show Black Sales. Yeah. Yeah. So that was a very physical job. But they also put us on these diets. And I, it was an extreme diet. So I kind of went full the other way. I went from eating anything and everything to then cutting out all sugar, all carbohydrates for this diet. And we did this mad training regime in this. crazy diet where we shred it down like super fast and i actually felt really good from it um but then i kind of went the whole hog the other way and it was obsessed with staying lean um and trying to eat clean and stuff and then as soon as we finished shooting i like binged i was burgers fries

pizza i was eating like fish and chips yeah we have these cereals in the uk called frosties you get you I guess frosties, right? Frosted flakes. Frosted flakes. Yeah. Tony the tiger. Tony the tiger. And I remember eating like bowl after bowl. Because I'd been deprived of all sugar for like eight months. And what happened to you?

Blew up. You got fat. Yeah, I got like big a quick. And I remember Toby Stevens, one of the actors on the show. He saw me after about three months after we've rapped. So I was like really, really lean when he last saw me. He was like, bloody. you know me what happened to you and i was like i was like said they go what do you mean

they went you're like fucking john candy and i'd like he said that yeah yeah but we're super tight but you kind of need somebody to kind of say something to motivate you don't you that's it that was the moment where i was like oh i've probably gone a little bit too hard here and so that moment that moment of fluctuation of like going up and down and getting in shapeful role then just being like in kind of like what bodybuilders do right where they just like bulk they do a show and then they're like boom whoa whoa yeah and they cut down again you know it's that constant roller coaster and i was like i have to find some kind of way of just being level all the time and then i realized i sort of took

all the positives of what i'd done to achieve this kind of like lean physique and stuff and i realized that all the problems with are processed foods and like junk and every time i ate all that stuff i felt like crap and then every time I ate clean I realized well I just kind of eat real foods then I'll just eat real foods cut out the crap and I was quite strict on that I sort of picked a lane it was like I'm just going to eat real food forever yeah I mean at that time yeah I was like I'm that's what I'm going to eat like now and then even now I you know I think it's really important to have I've kind of gone on the journey again right where um you go oh it's actually okay to have a little bit of this and a little bit of that. But I never eat moderation. Yeah, but I never really

eat processed food. I never eat like what you consider junk. I'll have a pizza, a great Italian or I'll have, you know, but you don't have like McDonald's. Never, no. Never. Do you like McDonald's when you do I used to smash McDonald's mate. I used to smash it. I used to have, I'll tell you what my order used to be. I used to have like the largest, we never had supersized in the UK. Big Mac. Yeah, large, large everything so large big mac meal um i'd have strawberry shake with that large strawberry shake fries obviously with all the ketchup um usually two double cheeseburgers and then uh we had a strawberry cornetto mcflurry never even heard of that yeah so exactly it's gonna write that it's really good um so that's that was like my standard macdonald's always

And so that's talking about like from age, what, 16 to mid-20s maybe. Wow. Then I got Black Sales and kind of that was the journey of like kind of being lean. And I also realized as well that I was sitting in a bracket of an actor of always just playing the big guy, which is a lot of the roles that I do. But I also wanted to have a versatility and I wanted to be able to play, you know, leads and action leads and romantic leads. And I just being this big dude all the time was never going to. get me that right so and looks and appearance is is probably the biggest part of yeah i mean casting in producers you walk into a room yeah they want you to be the role right yeah they don't want

to have to go oh we could probably transform him yeah they want to see somebody who always already has the discipline yeah already is is there yeah you know oh he could use maybe five pounds or maybe yeah yeah he's somebody like oh man this guy he's good actor but fuck yeah that's the thing and ticking all the boxes is always huge for me, like working on acting as well as looking the part, like turning up and looking the part, but then delivering, impressing them even further with he's the role, like he can do it. Right. And the chops was always so important to me. But then that's my background. Like I went to drama school in the UK and had a very traditional training. So did you start from a young age? Fairly young. Yeah. Like your parents, were they in acting

or how did you get into that? No, not at all. Like they were in the REF, the Royal Air Force. And my whole like my brother went and be a pilot. Strict? Not super strict. Actually, no. My mom was always like kind of reach for the stars type and so was my dad like do what you love. Unconditional love you, always told you they loved you. Oh my God. How important is that? I don't think people realize it until it doesn't happen. I know, I know. I do it with my kids. I tell my kids I love them every day. I'm like, so important. Yeah. And I want them to, I want my kids to really flourish on their own, you know, and be strong individuals. But the same time, I think it's important. that they always have that loving home that they can go back to because I feel like that

no matter what I can call my mom I can call my dad my dad is now like one of my best friends in my adult life it's so foreign to me to me you don't have like a to my childhood I just I don't I don't look at them as my best friends I don't look at them you know my friends are my best friends yeah those are the connections I mean I love my parents and all that but it's not that kind of relationship at all and it's never been and you know it for a while I mean definitely sadden me because I, even to this day when I see one of my friends and I meet their parents and I'm like, wow, they're so close and they're so fun and they're so, they want to know how their kids are doing. They want to meet their friends. They want to, like there's this,

I envy that. And it's, you know, I think it's really sweet. Do you know, I swear to God, this happened a couple of weeks ago. No, I'm in Italy. So about a month ago, I'm walking down and I just as I'm passing this family the father is saying no let me let me explain to you why why we can't do that here's and he starts very bit very gentle and the way he's talking to his son and he has patience and his kids flying off the wall a little bit and I just I walked over and I just want to say hey I just sorry for listening but you're a really good dad and I love how patient you are with him and that's just admirable that's awesome and he goes well yeah It was just weird, but I felt that I wanted to just tell him. Yeah, that's beautiful that you did that because parents, I'd say the biggest thing, are you a dad? No, no, you're two dogs, you mad. Two dogs, yeah, well, yeah.

Yeah, they're kind of harder than kids sometimes. I think as a parent, particularly moms, like I know my wife has had this and I know lots of other parents have this, is that you, no matter what you do, no matter how much you give and you put into your kids, you'll always feel like you're getting it wrong. Yeah, you always feel like a failure, right? Yeah, you always feel like, man. are we doing the right thing? You know, it's the biggest test in life having kids.

Yeah. Especially, that raised my voice. I mean, I didn't mean to do that. Totally. Oh, the guilt. The guilt is horrendous all the time. You feel like, man, like I haven't dealt with that well. But you've got to know you're not perfect.

We're not perfect. We make mistakes. Yeah. And also, they're just little adults, really. They think like we do. They're just not in the bodies. So they're experiencing all those same emotions. They just don't know how to handle them yet.

Yeah. So dealing with those little moments like that guy that you saw in Italy, you know, that's him hearing that from you. That's amazing because he wouldn't have known in that moment. I wanted him to know that. Yeah. That's perfect stranger just noticed his, you know, good traits or whatever, you know. Yeah, because patience, like he clearly had a lot of patience and wanted to explain clearly. I would have been like, would you stop it?

Yeah. Would you see a lot? You see him all the time. Because you lose you to me. Maybe you're having a bad day. You're going to just stop. Yeah. You know, and you just can't, like, control yourself sometimes.

And I saw such reserve, such, yeah, just patience with this young boy. And look, you told me right before we started filming that you have a son who's autistic. So that must be, it's got to be harder. Is it harder? Obviously, right? I mean. It comes with different challenges, right? You know, because truly my daughter, she's neurotypical, like, you know, chat box.

The opposite of my son, Freddy, who's not verbal. right she does all the speaking for him but he's the older one he's he's nine and my daughter's six and um yeah we kind of went through this crazy journey with freddie me and my wife um he was sort of developing what you call you know quote unquote normally um and was responding to us in normal ways you expect kids to and then he stopped doing that and he stopped talking so he was talking no he started to respond in saying what you're like almost like attempting words like right yeah like you'd say say dada say mama whatever and right attempt it and so he was on that path so he was kind of like what

maybe a year to 18 months so which it's kind of normal that they start to like talk and did they tell you that he wouldn't be able to speak uh since since since we went through the process and getting the diagnosis um we didn't know at that point whether what it was we just knew at that point at 18 months that he started to not do and we actually wouldn't know whether it was hearing like he wasn't hearing us properly. And I think I kind of always knew that he was different. Like he made a change. And then my wife, you know, we, it was tougher on our marriage, you know, because we approached it from different ways. And that's the thing with parenthood, like how kids, I think, can change your, your relationship. You start off as like this team, right? You're like, you're going to

have kids together and it's all going to be great. And then sometimes I think I spoke to to a few friends who have had kids. And they're like, yeah, everything was great. And then all of a sudden, I became like the bumbling buffoon that gets everything wrong. I hear that all the time. And he's just like, wait. That's why I'm single at 52. I'm sort of single. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's got to take its toll at certain points. You have to acknowledge it and be aware of and go, hey, this is kind of like pushing us away from each other. You have to. Yeah. And I have to say something I'm really proud of, of me and my wife that we really work. hard on on that and on our marriage and and doing what's best for our children and for

Freddie you know in his journey because so just to like go back to that yeah he stopped talking at all and kind of regressed to a point of like what you would say like a toddler is really and then kind of stayed there but Freddie Freddie doesn't have any of those things that like neurotypical kids have like he doesn't like care about what presence he has at Christmas He doesn't care about, he's not, I want, I want, I want. He doesn't get the Zee of Excited? Oh, gosh, yeah. Oh, yeah, he's like, but about different things to what are the kids?

Like, Freddie will lose his mind if it starts raining outside and it's windy and things like. So natural elements, he's like in his element. And it's the most beautiful thing to see. And I always say this that, like, when I look at Freddy, if I ever have any problems during the day, I look at Freddy. and see how he's enjoying his day and he's loving all the simplistic things in life that the earth that life offers us and i'm worried about what's going on the bloody news yeah and he doesn't care about any of that he cares about his being right now in this moment around nature isn't that something it's the most life gratifying thing so freddie has been my biggest life lesson

because he just gets me to look at problems and solutions in a very different way now. I just approach it from a different perspective. When I can, not always, you know, hard. But when I look at him and I'm like, man, his wants and needs are so simple. And actually all of this over here is just complications. This is where it's at. I agree 100%. It's amazing how sometimes we're forced to look at the basic thing.

the simple things the connection with with human beings that are the most important and we're because we're so distracted with you know all the being relevant and you know promoting things yeah doing things and just you know it's got it's it's just stuff just stuff yeah and then you you notice freddie and it just takes you to a place where you're like hey he doesn't need all that yeah there's something really cool about that and it's it's great that it grounds you and it kind of like takes you out of your head. Oh, massively. People say like, because I know a lot of people have therapists and stuff, right? I do. Yeah. I don't have one. But this is, but my wife does. She's always saying, you should do therapy. You should do therapy. And I probably should.

But I always, people say who you do that. I was like, Freddie, I'll go for a walk with Freddie and just experience life the way he experienced his life for an hour, half an hour. We'll go to like the field and, you know, just go for a walk. And I'll just be in his company. And we just enjoy walking around and like sitting in the grass and playing or whatever. And that grounds me and puts things and it allows me to, you know, put things into perspective in my head better than any conversation I have with anyone right now. This is, you know, just my current experience. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money. Period. It's Rocket Money. It's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your

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this is my path with Freddie and Laura said to me my wife Laura she was like that's got to she's like you know is that not hard though to think that's what it was or do you do you and I was like I suppose in some ways yeah but you can never have I think for me the expectations of any child should be thrown out the window like because you you if you have a son that's neurotypical he may not like kicking a football he may not like learn to play rugby so why expect that because for me that was me being selfish of what I wanted as a child, as opposed to what was truly best for the son I was going to have and letting him go on his own journey

after whatever he's going to be. Yeah. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Yeah, it was a good learning curve for me. It really is. You know, you said your parents from the Air Force. Yeah.

So, and they were supportive. But what was it about acting? What got you into it? I did a play called, so I got into the school drama group and everything. And actually the first thing, the first kind of bug thing that I got from where I was like, this could be fun, is I did like a drama class. And it was probably like 10 to 1 in terms of girls to dudes in this class. So there's a lot of girls.

It's always the way in. Get into acting, folks. Yeah, it's, it can be beneficial. Yes, it could be fun. But I remember getting up and it was like an improv type thing. And I remember just like all the girls in the class laughing at me and laughing at what I was doing. I was like, this is great. And I just really enjoyed that feeling.

You know what I mean? Like you also had a similar sort of thing where you got that feeling of, oh, that kind of response back. Sort of, in a way, affirmation or, you know, sort of. instant gratification. Yeah, it's instant gratification. Yeah. And also that I was, because I was like good at sport and stuff, I was playing like different sports. But the more I did acting, the more I was like, oh, this is something I can do. Like I feel like and when I'm doing it, I feel alive. I feel like, so he's that really famous speech in Billy Elliott, right? I love Billy Elliot. And he's like, what do you feel like when you dance, Billy? It's like electricity. It feels like

electricity. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, that's what it is, man. That's the feeling. You get this like buzz. And my wife talks about it now. She's like, it's like a massive dopamine hit every time you do it. And one so thrilled to say is I still get that now. You do. Oh, God, yeah. You get it with every project. At some point, yeah, yeah. And that's the thing about for me picking what projects I do. I'm always like, when I read that script, I got to look at it and go, oh, I'm going to love acting that scene. That would be such a great scene. So sometimes it's one scene that makes you go.

Sometimes, yeah. It could be the build up to that scene or like, but overall, yeah, I mean, they obviously want that fully rounded character, but for me, there are moments from a script that might jump out where you're like, yes, that's, I want, I want to experience that. So there's an excitement. There's something about acting that brings something out in you that you just want to be around. Yeah, I think so. You like who you are.

You like the camarader. you like being on set. Yeah, that's a huge camaraderie. So I come from a team sport background, right? Right. And there was a huge crossover for me in that feeling of getting a bunch of people together, working on something, as hard as you can go, 100% giving everything to it, putting yourself on the field, and then performing that and then winning at that thing. Yeah. And as a team, yeah.

Every cog in the machine. has to be working. It has to be well-oiled. Everyone has their job and everyone has to turn up. Otherwise, we fall. Yeah. Have you always felt that way? Was there ever what? Look, I'm sure there were times in my life where I was a little cocky. I was in the business. I was too young. I wasn't mature. And I was just like, yeah, you know, and just, you know, all over the place. You seem like you're more of a grounded person, whether it's your childhood, a combination of a lot of things. But do you think you've always had a good head on your shoulders? I think, yeah, generally, generally, I've never, I've, I think my mum and my granddad who

was like a huge role model for me. My mom and dad weren't together when I was growing up. My dad moved away. Was that hard? I was very little when he left, but I think it was harder on my mum, you know, and I saw, you know, her raising two boys, which is tough. That weren't easy. Yeah, I mean, I say to my mom now, like, I have to have my own kids. I'm like, how did you do it? Kids are so hard. And you just raised two boys who were like tearing up the house

kicking each other's asses every day. And remember my mom's saying, we would break shit all the time and she'd be like, she'd be like, this is my house too. She's like, I have to live here

after you two leave. See, my mom would throw something at us. Yeah, that's probably a better play. My mom would throw something back and go. That's probably a better way. Stop it. I'm fucking tired of it. You know, I mean, I don't know how many times

my mom came in a room and said something. My dad goes, why don't you go for a nap? Yeah. Why don't you go for a nap? You're obviously unhinged. Yeah, yeah, clearly. But yeah, you know, mom having to deal with two boys growing up. Yeah.

So my grand and granddad were like a big, a big influence on me. My granddad always was, there's certain things that I stuck to that he always told me and like getting in with the right crowd sticking with people that, you know, have best intentions. And like I, you know, good or bad, you know, I didn't tell. take any, any, like, recreational drugs or anything growing up because my, my grandad always, I was, it's kind of stuck in my brain and I know that people love to take drugs and they, so do it. There's no zero judgment for me. I just chose not to do it myself. Do you drink? I used to, used to, yeah. A lot. Yeah. And you think that got in your way? Yeah. Yeah. I think,

I don't think I'm the best version of myself with alcohol. My wife would tell me that as well. Well, the thing is, if you can recognize that. Yeah. That's vital. Most people don't recognize what horrible drunks they are or the person they become and that's the problem but if you can recognize it and go okay this is not i don't like who i am when i do this i just didn't feel good you know i never feel good i just like i don't i barely drink now yeah i think a lot of people more recently actually i think more people have come to that sort of way of thinking a lot of my friends have they're just like yeah i just kind of feel like i don't need it which i love because that's a big thing to me with alcohol i always think people especially in the uk there's a big drinking culture in the

you go to the pub, the pub is a very social place where people meet up. So it's like, oh, let's go for a drink. Yeah. It's the whole thing. That's what is a whole meetup thing is there. And it's always like, what you're drinking? What you're drinking? It's a pressure. Yeah. Peer pressure. Yeah. Peer pressure. It's huge there. Yeah. I'm not sure if it's so much like, it's still here. It's just like, dude, is that your only beer? Yeah. I'm like, what do you, what are you? What are you my mother? Yeah. Like, yeah. Well, I also go, I always say, why does it matter to you what if i'm drinking are you that insecure that you need somebody to be on this ride with you yeah yeah to feel like shit tomorrow yeah and make bad decisions yeah that's that's what it is

right it is it feels like you want and i get it it's the shared experience of that social i mean yeah there's been some fun times yeah but uh no that's i think that's good that you're aware of that and yeah i mean do you when you prepare for a role uh do you go through like a lot of actors will say oh my god the fear kicks in i'm nervous i don't know can i do this And then as the process goes along, you start to feel more comfortable. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Imposter syndrome is a big thing, man. Yeah. Right. Does everybody have that? I think so, right? If they didn't, then I'd be more concerned about them.

They're a sociopath. Yeah. If you don't feel fear, if you don't feel these certain things like human beings feel. Yeah. Vulnerability. Vulnerability. I mean, I think we all, acting is a funny thing, right, because you have to audition to get a role. You have to prove you feel like you're always proving yourself that you can do it. So this sense of like, do they like me feeling? It never goes away, isn't it?

It never goes away. You always, and I always used to say that I hated exams at school, hated it. I hated it. I was terrible. And then I chose a career where that's all I do, whereas being examined for a role. But then I once I kind of thought, oh, actually, because there's a few people that, I think Brian Cranston was one of them who said it. And I think a couple of other people have. And when I saw that advice, I was like, oh, that's amazing.

And I took it on, which was he stopped seeing auditions as like a test or a like, please like me. It was, this is an opportunity for me to act and show you my version of this character. And then if you don't want to pay me to do it, then that's fine. today my role is to play this scene and do the best job as this character that is all so i'm not here to please you yeah make you like me i'm here to get a job i'm here to work yeah just to just observe this character and i even did when i did umbrella academy i remember doing umbrilla academy yeah final season's about to come out was this the fourth and final yeah but it's been seven years when i did these the first so seven years we it's been this year

Because we have these huge, Netflix do these huge hiatuses between seasons that we had. That's tough, huh? Oh, man, like a year and a half hiatus, yeah. I remember doing the chemistry. I was the first one to be cast in the show. And I did these chemistries with all these different, one of the characters in the show is Allison. And I did a bunch of chemistry with these Allison candidates. And at that point, I was still in that state of like, oh, you've got to be the best.

You've got to be the best that comes in the room. And that's all that matters. You should be the best. You'll get the role. Every single one of these Alison actresses were phenomenal. We all had chemistry. It was great. I was like, she was great.

Oh, my God. She was great. How they're going to choose between these five girls? They were all so good. They all brought their A game. None of them got cast. They were like, yeah, they just didn't have what they were looking for. Isn't that something?

Yeah. And I realize it's not about being the best. It's about what's right for them. What's in the creator's mind? What are the producers on? What are the network, studio? want it's like this all these cooks in the kitchen and it's just like you just have to go in there and give it your best yeah you can't you can't control these things no that they shell these

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I want to get into Umbrella Academy, but I want to also ask you, the episode you did of Doctor Who. Oh, God, yeah. Did you realize how big that show was? Yeah, you do know, particularly the one that I was doing because it was Matt Smith's very first episode as a doctor. So everyone had eyes on that episode. Were you nervous about that? Yeah, and you know what?

That one, I hadn't had a gig for a little one. That's the weird thing when you're having it like a muscle. Yeah, yeah, and getting back into it and being on set again. And I was young now. I was only like my third job, I think. and it was really of that moment of like how do I do this again and I've seen actors like come on to sets who like come on to do like a few lines or anything you know maybe not work for a while and you kind of want to be like it's all good

it's all good because I've felt like that oh I know I know in fact I haven't really I mean some little things but like I've chosen to just do what I want to do now unless something really comes up that's great I'm not I'm just not doing it yeah so know when i do finally pick that role or whatever or that role finds me um that i'll have that feeling i'll have that but i know what i'll do i'll rehearse it so much and really learn the lines inside out that all that confidence will hopefully come back yeah it will come back i think it's innate i think if you know what's what you have you know what you can do and you you you follow the rules, hit your mark, know your lines, and listen, fucking listen. Then you're going to be

all right. If you follow those guidelines, I think that's important. Did people still recognize you and say, oh, Doctor Who? That's the weird one. Yeah, sometimes I get recognized for the smallest ones I've done, like Doctor Who, Game of Thrones. I played like. Well, you did four, six episodes? Yeah, something like that, yeah. Was that like, what was that like? Crazy machine, that thing, man. Like, season seven? Seven, I think it was. Yeah, because it was eight, eight seasons? I think eight seasons. Yeah, I was the penultimate season. Going into something like that's got to be nerve-wracking. Yeah. Well, it's almost like the thing was so huge that you, that kind of, those intimate moments of the camera rolling feels like it's out of the window

because most of those scenes I was doing on that, there was an enormous battle sequence around me. And there's, and any of the job you go on, it's like everything's green screen, everything's like they add in all those CGI soldiers, not on Thrones. Thrones was like they had, full-on armies there. So they had other things to worry about. Yeah, it kind of feels like you just have to get your tiny little bit right. And they've got so many of the things to be dealing with. I just don't know how they run that ship.

It was like just boned. It was chaos. It was so well organized. Crazy. So well organized. It really was like one of the... Who did you love working with on that? Nikolai Costa was great.

Yeah, he is great. He's great. Jerome Flynn. I loved Jerome Flynn. Lynn. He played Bronn. He was great. Oh, he was fantastic. Yeah. And so much fun. And I really great to work with. A lovely fellow. James Faulkner, who played my on-screen dad. Yeah. It was great. Yeah, he was really fun. And he was, he became like my best friend. We were shooting in Catharest, Spain. And we had a lot of downtime around, like, shooting our

bits on these big battles because it's just so many segments. You know, it's like, there's like so many thousands of things to shoot around our little bits. So we were just hanging out in Catharrest. and we're both big foodies. But it was such an odd relationship because he was kind of, he's quite flirtatious. And I'm like, you know, a very loyal husband.

And the young and the older gents. And every time I went out for a restaurant, he's like flirting with the waitresses. I'm like, James, it's coming down. Trying to bring him back down. And I was like, it's crazy to be amongst,

because certain actors like of that ilk, like that kind of old school ilk. Just large. than life. Yeah, yeah. They never let that go. Oh, this is like what I grew up with. Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, he's like very much like an old school actor, which I love being around. Yeah, that had to be just awesome. Proper character. Back, I asked you about people recognize, do people recognize you from Game of Thrones and Doctor Who? Yeah, those two are the ones that I get. I mean, obviously, um, obviously. Yeah, but they do, man, because they just got crazy fan bases. And these people that watch and study these shows over and over again.

And I've done a few of those like Comic-Con events. And you do really well? They do well, yeah. I mean, it's great because I love, I really love fan interactions. I hear too. I think it's so nice. It's so humbling. And I love seeing how your work has affected people in like a positive way, you know,

like how someone was maybe going through a tough time and then like your relatable storyline brought them out of that. And you're like, you had no idea that something you did would make any impact. Yeah. That's what's amazing. And then you see the impact and you're like, am I really the cause of their happiness? Yeah. Am I really making these people happy?

Well, you feel not worthy, right? You don't feel worthy of that. It's like, it's like, I don't, you know, it's hard to feel that. Yeah. And some of the stories, you're right. They just, they hit you. I've been very emotional with fans before. And no, it's a beautiful thing.

Yeah. You had to wear a muscle suit to achieve the correct look and underwent martial arts training for umbrella. Yeah, yeah. You don't wear that anymore. No, not for since season four. Was that a pain in the ass? Yeah, well, yeah, in different ways.

There was different ones. It was like the prosthetic one, which was obviously a large prosthetic job every morning when I was wearing it. But it'd get, when you glued in, it's an enormous suit and heavy, so like trying to do fight scenes in it is. But it's more the circulatory, like you lose,

the ability to like sweat or you just sweat into the suit right so you're not you you your body temperature goes hotter and hot so you must smell at the end of these things yeah I guess it does I feel sorry for the people I have to clean it clean it how much did it it weigh probably weighed like 35 40 pounds 35 or 40 pounds you're putting on you to like yeah isn't that bad for your back and your neck yeah you had to really like work on because also the muscles on the back of that like kind of simian suit they're not human muscles they come all so you know your lats at the back they kind of these ones came around butterflied around his uh like across the top of his shoulders right across the top of the

traps so you couldn't retract your shoulders so you're constantly in this position like hunched over so i at the end of every season i needed to go for like full on like cairo just bringing my back so you were in a lot of pain it did yeah there was some periods where i was like whoa yeah it was pretty uncomfortable. I mean, I can't imagine. If somebody said you have to wear a 35, 40 pound suit every day, I don't know what I would do. I don't know if I could do it. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, you have to be really strong. Yeah, that's the thing with the training, right? Like, you kind of, it's also a preparation thing of like a lot of the roles I've had have required me. If I wasn't physically active in my day-to-day life, I think I probably

would have struggled with some of them. If you didn't work out? Yeah, like it would have been harder for sure yeah yeah i would say yeah so there is a preparation element of like me training year round and stuff so looking after my body and i've done like loads of things because i've been injured a bunch of times what have you injured shoulders two discs in my back um you're talking to somebody who understands oh the disc issue spine surgeries oh dude you've had nine spine surgeries oh dude you've had yeah i just had injection yesterday in my uh five six and two three in my neck oh man have you ever looked at stem cells and and i've heard about that but i've heard of different you know sort of reactions to it what do you think i've had great research i've had uh two uh

discs had stem cells in zero pain both healed up how much did you how much of a difference did you notice and how long did it take to notice a difference first time first one um it was kind of early on in the in the stem cell um evolution i should say uh that took about four to five weeks and i remember living with the sciatic pain that you know it's like right that horrendous pain like you wouldn't wish it on your worst enemy, this horrible pain every day. And I'd had it for like a year and a half. I actually filmed the last season of Black Sales with a hernia disc, and it was rough. I had the stem cells in Denver, actually, that one, with a company called Regenex. And I, four weeks after the injection, I remember waking up, and every morning I had that waking up and

going, oh, just like, and it felt like I was tugging my nerve through the disc. And then all of a sudden, I was like, huh. And you were fine? It was gone, gone. And what had happened is like, because the disc heals, right? So that that herniation that sticking out the disc is just like kind of gone back in off the nerve. So it's healed it. And the thing is with disc is they don't get in a blood flow.

So you're creating the healing element. The body was used to doing it for itself. So I say if you cut yourself, it's going to scab over and it's going to heal, right? The disc doesn't get a blood flow to do that. So basically giving it the signal. that the rest of the body gets to then heal itself. Did you ever do PRP? Yeah, yeah.

Does that help? I had it yesterday. In the right, in the right, from the right people. I'm feeling, I'm feeling a little bit better after it just happened for the first time. Yeah. I don't know. It's time we'll tell, but, um, yeah. When you, before you leave, I want to get the information for the stem cell.

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. This company's that very company, Regenix, they have places in L.A. And they do it under ultrasound, very, very high quality stem cells. But they actually, the second disc I had done, the second disc was actually a type of PRP, an advanced PRP, three different types of they inject in the disc, around the disc. And that actually worked astonishingly, that worked overnight. I woke up the next day and was like, what the hell? Are you serious? Yeah, I was like, it's actually gone.

So they can go to all my discs that are damaged and sort of inject these places. Yeah, I mean, and I might get some relief. Yeah, for sure. It depends. you had dysectomies? Yeah, microdissectomies, yeah. Yeah, confusions. I'm fused L3, L5.

That's tough. And what did you do to get those? Ice hockey sports, my whole life. Oh, shit, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think my rugby background definitely contributed to my discs for sure. But that's good for you, man, that you were able to, you know, have some relief.

Yeah. Chronic pain, there's nothing worse. It's just, there's nothing worse than talking to someone having a conversation, go, I just want to lay down right now. Horrible. It's going in your mind. Horrible. I just want to go lay down.

Yeah. And that is a terrible feeling. And people don't understand it until it happens to them. I've had friends or people in the industry call me in tears saying, I'm so sorry. I had no idea. I can't even get out of bed. I don't know what, you know. And so it's no one, so I don't really talk about it that much to, unless it's to other people with that experience.

Yeah, well, you also don't want to, it's that thing. Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying because I never wanted to burden people with my, like, kind of angst and like, oh, I'm just in a lot of pain right now. So you kind of shove it away. Yeah, people don't really care. Yeah. It's not that they don't care, but they don't care. And they don't understand. They don't understand.

If they've not had chronic pain. Like, oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah. They're like, oh, that must. Yeah. But when you've really had it, like, I know, when you talk about that, I'm like, I know exactly what you're feeling. The worst.

The achy and the, just. Let me ask you this. What does umbrella academy mean to you? A huge chapter of my life. Like, so like I say, it's four seasons, but it's the better part of my 30s, really. I signed onto it and I was like 32, I think. 39 now. Wow. So. Oh, bastard. Yeah, God, getting on.

Look at you. Yeah. Bruce. You're 52. Yeah. You never 52. Yeah. No. I just turned 52, man. Bloody hell you look good. No, let's try not working. My. That'll do it. That's the key. That's the key. Work as little as possible. You'll look really good for a long time. Oh, that's good. It's good. It's done. Better to look good, but you feel good. It is, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. But wow. So what does it mean to you? Yeah, it means everything. It's been like a, it's been a huge learning curve for me. I've learned so much.

I've learned so much about myself. I will miss my on-screen siblings massively. Like we really are. Like you say about casts and stuff, right? And I think, you know what it's like when you finish a show and you think, oh, you know, that's such a great cast and you build a relationship, you build friendships. This truly was like a proper family because all of our scenes, were in some format together right and then we'd have these huge group scenes and then we'd

hang out together as a group and we would bicker as a group like a family does like siblings and then five minutes later we can be just having a laugh about something stupid right and i think you only get that when you have uh that level of friendship and um that's what we've got with this i actually just saw all the all the guys yesterday we did a bunch of like content stuff who's the biggest clown who's always just goofing up you're like You're like, shut off, I need to focus. Everyone has a turn at that. Robert Sheehan is, like, a beautiful human.

I love him to bits. And he's definitely the wildest on camera in terms of where he'll go, which I love because it's so spontaneous. Oh, my God, yeah, it's great. It's great. But, yeah, he's definitely a wild one, which I love. Castaneda, David Castaneda, who my boy, he's, we had some great stuff in season four together,

like Twiddledy and Tweedle D. us too you know and um he loves to play so so you're done season four is done yeah yeah i'm on another show now yeah i've moved on did you were you emotional in the last day of shooting it's a weird one when a show ends right yeah you you're you're happy in a way it's bittersweet yeah it is bittersweet we've heard that a lot this week yeah it's always bittersweet yeah because at the time though i didn't really process it my my wife was like oh you're really sad and i was like No. I was like, it's not really hit me yet. And it actually hit me for the first time yesterday when they were asking this questions as a group. And I just was like, you know what? I'm just really going to miss being with you all and getting to play with you. And more than anything, watching and learning from you all, they're all so good at their characters and what they do. And so real and heartfelt, yet are able to do this. brilliant humor and comedy. But it's always so real. And at any point, you know, I could say I've

watched every single one of them do what they do on that show. And I've been like, man, that's good. That's really good. How do they do that? That was great. And I love that. A lot of respect. Huge amount of respect. There's a lot of respect. Yeah. I could see that. Yeah. Summer's here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well-groom lawn delivered, but you can get a chicken parmesan delivered. A cabana? That's a no.

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felt the same way. I think when I finally came back for the season 10 series finale, I remember I was fine. I was just like, all right, I'm doing this for the fans, you know, and they worked me 24 hours a day. I told them they had me for one day

when I came back. And I was getting out of makeup. And I was like, all right. And I started to walk out of my makeup artist's trailer who, as you know, they're like your mother. Or your father. I mean, they know more about me than anybody and i just turned around and i just started crying just had

natalie hugged me and i go oh my god what's happening to me and she goes it's okay it's okay i don't know why this is happening yeah yeah and and we hugged it out and i remember driving i i remember standing back i went in to some of the sets and i just walked around i just said just remember this remember remember this moment and even though it was it was almost like I was ready. I had one foot out the door. But I just took a minute to kind of just go, hey, this is a big part of your life. Yeah. This is a big part of your life. These people are a big part of your life. And, you know, just sit with it for a minute. Did it change you a lot from like, you know, when you think about way back in season one of that, how much did you change? How much did the show,

like, change you? Because I always think about that, like, how different I am now. I mean, it was like, it was the first time people had recognized me. It was the first time. Yeah. I, you know a role that sort of gave me a career um you know i've been working consistently but this role put me on the map and um everything about it i'd never been on a show of this magnitude uh everything about it um and i don't think you really know know it till years later you don't realize what an impact how important it comes later like you said like like it happened yesterday where you started thinking about it it took kind of years really tom and i do this rewatch smallville podcast and uh as i'm watching the episode because they never really watched them

and it starts i start to realize wow you you did something special it was uh you should be grateful and you proud. And, you know, I don't know if you see that. You could say the words. Yeah. And you could, you know, oh, that's great. No, I love it. This is a, but to actually feel it, uh, it took me some time. Yeah. Isn't it weird how when you look back on stuff, you see like the journey that you come on? Like I always, you know, like I always think about, you know, seeing a goal in your future and like I, you know, you, and people talk about manifesting and all that and, you know, seeing where you want to go. But actually, the most interesting thing to do is to look back and go, look what happened there and look at that junction I took. And if I hadn't met that

person, then that wouldn't have never happened. And I wouldn't have done that job. Yeah. And seeing where your life has gone because of certain decisions you made, you kind of see the butterfly effect that's happened in your life. It's true. Right? It is. It is. Absolutely. It's amazing how you know you know one door closes another door opens and and you know you don't know where you're going to go and i think the hand of fate sort of takes you sometimes yeah hey this is what you're doing now yeah you try to fight it but just enjoy enjoy what you're doing now and and whatever else happens then that's where i'll be and i'll i'll deal with it then i've learned that i've learned how to just go i'm here right now i'm talking to you yeah enjoy it have a great conversation and then

you know whatever tomorrow holds yeah yeah so be it that's great you know your rep i was talking to her jacqueline jacqueline yeah jacqueline yeah so i was talking to her and she's like oh if this isn't gonna air till after you know then he can give some spoilers for umbrella academy uh yeah so what's something big that happens you want i know that the big one yeah because we'll wait till it happens. Okay. Yeah. So if people are even, if people are going to watch it and they haven't watched it yet. Well, I'm telling you right now. Spoiler. Yeah, spoiler. Here comes a spoiler if you're going to watch Umbrella Academy. So, uh, all right, tell me what happens. Okay. Well, the biggest thing about the show is that there's always an Armageddon, right? There's always something that we have to

fight the end of the world and find out what's causing it. This time, we find out that we are the biggest problem. We are the problem. And the only way to stop the world ending and to reset it is for us to not exist anymore. So we might be seeing a rather large self-sacrifice at the end. Oh my God. So, yeah. Holy shit. When you first read that, what were you, when did you find that out? we found out two days before we shot it they didn't release those final pages were you excited were you sad were you blowing away i was kind of like going by the script that we had so far up in the episode to where it like we hadn't been given those final pages i kind of had a feeling it was

where it was heading you know you kind of go i think i know like i don't know if he's going to write that but then i kind of feel that's the only way to end this and i was like if he does it the right way does it full terminated two judgment day going into the lava thumb comes out then we could have a beautiful moment at the end of this show and i think that's what we've achieved as it there's a brilliant sense of hope um wow sacrifice self-sacrifice hope for the good of all right but so does that mean you couldn't do another umbrella academy or a spin-off or something who knows who know that i mean in this world because there's there's so many timelines right there's so many like alternate timelines that there is always a way to do something else to reverse something yeah change something

someone does something that changes the timeline right in this new world that changes the timeline someone can exist then in that timeline and I think they should do some kind of spin off I don't know which character you do well yours yeah yeah I maybe without the suit this time yes yes please um but but there's all there's possibilities oh my god yeah and it's such a would you do it again would i do it again would i'd love to do something else with this group yeah so if if they said if they came to us with something that was really cool and steve blackman our showrunner was the guy doing it because he's he's the glue yeah he's he's the umbrella academy like he's his vision it then you'd consider it oh yeah

Yeah, for sure. Because to go back and play with those guys again and live in that world as those characters all together. Yeah, man. I put a great big smile on my face. Can you talk about the projects you're about to work on or now? Yeah. I'm actually shooting, you know, the Terminal List? Yeah. It says Amazon Prime Show. The first season has been out. But then, yeah, so I joined that as one of the characters from the books, character called Rafe Hastings, the books that Jack Carr wrote. I became a huge. huge fan of and so you're doing the next season so yeah so we're actually doing a prequel season of the terminal list it's very exciting really cool show man like i've seen quite a few bits of it now as they're proud of it really proud of it yeah i'm delighted to be a part of it uh what's the best advice you've gotten the best advice i've gotten would have been from my toby stevens pal uh he was captain flint on black sales and he actually said it to me as a piece of advice that he'd gone

and he was we were just talking openly he's one of my very best friends and he was just talking openly about we were talking about acting and stuff and i remember him saying and i you know what it's like sometimes when i was early on in my career when i was having this conversation with toby when a camera comes onto you and for your close-up so many actors you know you have this feeling of like oh yeah okay don't fuck it up you know it's like it's close to them it's tight you know and you're like oh this is my moment i got there's that moment of like got to deliver and he was talking about that feeling and he was like and i remember we're getting this advice he said that the best acting you do is when you're most relaxed if you're relaxed then you will

just be you won't look like you're acting yeah you will just let it come out you know the lines you know you know the lines you know who this character is so just relax into it and even if you're angry, even if you're uptight, people in real life, they're so free, they're flowing when they're angry. They're just letting it all out. They're relaxed in themselves because they know what they want to say. They're not uptight thinking what they should, you know, it's this element of relaxing. I like that. Yeah. Oh, man. And it really sat me. I was like, that's like, that's brilliant. Just relax. I think that's the advice for life. Just relax, man. 100, It's not that bad.

Yeah. Just relax. Yeah. What if you didn't act? What would you do? I'd want to be a chef. Really? Mm-hmm.

I love food. You cook for your wife and kids? Yeah. Yeah. You're good? Absolutely love it. I don't know if I'm good. They say I'm all right.

I'm sure you're good. Yeah, I do all the cooking at home. Apart of my wife does an absolutely stellar Yorkshire pudding, which is, do you know what Yorkshire pudding is? No. It's like a pancake batter, but then you put it into some some hot oil or we use actually use ghee because it's much better and you get the oil hotter but you heat the oil very hot and then you put it in like muffin tins and you pour in the

batter into like sizzling hot oil and then that the the process because you get you really whip up the batter there's loads of bubbles in so there's lots of air in it so when it gets hit's heat it rises like a souffle so and then you can put in like slow-cooked beef or roast beef and gravy you know, in sauce, and it's like the most delicious thing you love to eat. It's incredible. So it's like a crunchier pudding. Yorkshire pudding. Can you do a perfect American accent like easily? Just jump into it? Uh, can try. Depends what, yeah. I mean, but it's pretty easy to do it. Yeah, yeah. Like if someone said, do an American accent right now, you could just jump into it. I could probably, you know, give it a go, you know, if, uh, yeah, you know, like it's

sometimes, you know, it's harder than others, but, you know, easier when you have a script, but yeah, it's fine. Do you ever hear yourself when you're watching going, oh, that was a little Yeah, although I'm usually a stickler for it in ADR. Like, I'm like, please keep an eye on me, like, if I slip. Right. I'm also like that on set as well. Like, I say to all my American siblings on umbrella, like, I'm like, if you hear something, please tell me.

Like I said that from day one. And Emmy Raver Lampman has actually been a star for that. Heard it. Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she'll be the first one to tell me. And I'm like, ah, got it. Yeah. Do you ever in your life, have you ever get depression?

or you ever get anxiety? Do you ever get things like that? And how do you deal with it? Only the first time, actually, recently, and I never had before. I never really knew what that feeling was. And I actually had it. This is my question. You don't have to wrap it.

Yeah, no, no, sure. Anxiety, yes. Yeah, the first time recently, I, it was actually before shooting Terminal List. We were in a massive prep period for Terminal List. And I think that, you know, playing a Navy SEAL and authentically and the imposter syndrome of like, I'm not a SEAL. I'm not one of these dudes. Like, I don't know how to do this. I'm not, I'm not one of them. I've not gone through what they've gone through. And like, and the pressure I put on myself of wanting to play this guy so authentically, I had a real moment because I was on my own in LA. We were doing prep. And my wife, wasn't with me. She'd gone, she was back home with the kids and I was like just over there solo and it was a moment. It was actually in the middle of the night and I've never had this before where I woke up and like my heart was kind of racing and I was like, what the hell is going

on? And I had like this moment of like, you didn't even know where it came from. No. It was that and I and then I ended up and I actually thought like something was up. I was like, am I like, yeah, I was like, it was a panic. And I called my wife and then fortunately like she was a few hours ahead in the UK, right? So she was just getting up with the kids. So she's trying to do breakfast of the kids. She's like, what? And her husband is like, my heart is racing. I don't think I'm very well. And she's like, I think you're having a panic attack, Tom. And I was like, am I, no, it feels worse that. It feels like something's up. And she was like, no, no, that's what it feels like. She's like, if you're having, she's, she's had anxiety, you know, and I'm sure she won't

be saying, because she's spoken very openly about it. But, you know, she's, she deals with it. She has tools. She has a tool kit to deal with it. Sure. And I didn't. And I was like, what is it in this feeling? And she properly sort of taught me down from the ledge. And I never knew that anxiety and that kind of feeling of like physical feeling of like something happening to your body is can manifest then from a thought. And I know that thoughts are powerful, right?

Yeah. But like those feelings of like the unknown and all those things. things they build up in your body and then you have a physical reaction never knew that could i just didn't expect that to happen to me i've always felt like has it happened since no like my actually my wife is like she really is the same because she she really like talked to me about it and was like you need to do this this and this and this but she one of the big turning points for that was um we did like this uh this group workout with all the lads all the guys before shooting and we did like a big turning points for that was um we did like this uh this group workout with all the guys

before shooting and we did like a big like kind of pump session or like an hour and a half of working out nonstop and um and it was brilliant and I suddenly I don't know what it was about that experience but I all of a sudden was like oh I'm good you're part of this I'm part of it you felt like you're part of it was like it was an experience that helped you get rid of that doubt yeah that's team bonding right which is where I'm in my safe place if I feel that I'm truly part of a team and I have my place and I know where I stand. You don't feel anxious. You just go.

It's all good. And Chris Pratt, kudos because he was the one that orchestrated. He was like, we have to do like a group workout. We have to get a group pump. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I want to see veins. I know this seems weird, but we got to pump up.

All of your veins. It's called the Pratt pump. We're going to do this. Yeah. I make a tradition of that every season now, the Pratt pump. Well, listen, man, I think you're a terrific guy. terrific actor uh you've done so many things percival and merlin billy bones in black sales luther hargreaves and the umbrella academy which the season's out now the final season and boy you have

something to look forward to uh out there check this guy out you're also doing the terminalist yeah and you got a lot of great things going on i love what a father you are and uh it just sounds like um you're on the right path man thank just doing do and do all the good things and same to you man good work. You do. These conversations are amazing. I've loved listening to you. And I think you're great. You're doing a great thing. Do more of it. It means the world to me, man. Thanks. I'm just want to have a conversation. Yeah. That's the best, right? All right. Oh, by the way, this is for you. You have a dog. Oh, I do. This is my product. Rosie's puppy fresh breath. Hell, you could use that. Yeah, there you just put a little cap full in your dog's water. Tastal soda was boom.

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