Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - TOM WELLING: Embarrassment on Smallville, Health Scares & Rewards of Fatherhood

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

Tom Welling (Smallville, Lucifer) joins us this week for our 300th episode. He was our first guest, so we couldn’t think of anybody more perfect for our 300th … We catch up on a lot with Welling - the rewards and challenges of fatherhood, his desire to be of service to others, and self reflections on his career to this point. We also get into stressful stories on set Smallville, his heart warming Keanu story, and resisting Brendan Fraser.  Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🏈 PrizePicks: https://prizepicks.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. 300th episode, folks. Ryan, how exciting is this? My God. How do you feel? I can't believe we've done it. 300. Jesus.

Wow. Guys, I couldn't have done this without you guys. I really could not have done it without you guys. I couldn't have done it without Ryan. I couldn't know it without Bryce or Jason. That's a fact. Or your legal team clearing that song. Yes.

You could have that on that. It's fine. Because on Instagram, you could use it on stories. What was that? What was the song? Here's Rosie. Yeah. I just want to say thank you.

This has been an absolute shock that I made it past one episode, let alone 300. I would never have thought this would be a direction in my life that I would take and um and having some success because i feel like uh we have a devoted fan base we have listeners who find the podcast meaningful and helpful and enjoy it and that means a ton to me and thank you ryan for being here thank you for we've had some fun yeah you know there's been some interviews i always i always ask ryan at the end of i go what do you think yeah and you know sometimes we're like that was awesome and sometimes it's like you know it's okay you know and that's okay you know and just part for the course and yeah but that's rare you know I've almost been here five years

at this point no uh-huh yeah no it can't be it's 2019 summer yeah we're in 2020 24 now I think it's like four years I mean it all coming up on it's like four and a half at this point how is this possible I don't know I started in how did a time fly I guess because COVID really hit and it was just like it was kind of a blur COVID screwed a lot of things up it sure did Yeah. However. Yeah. And, you know, 300th episode is a big one. So I had to choose a guest that I thought would fit the 300th. And it was very easy to choose. It was not easy to convince them to do it. But I had to pick my buddy, my, my Superman, Tom Welling for the 300th episode. So Tom, thank you for doing it. I know you thought we've done it so many times that we wouldn't have anything to talk about, but we did. And I really appreciated you doing it. doing it. And we've become really close friends over the years, which is surprising because we weren't ever close friends. We're like, yeah. Hey, you know, I always like Tom. You like me, but we respected each other. But like over the years, we, we have a bond. I love his wife, his kids.

I mean, I don't, I don't live here. Or he doesn't live near me anymore. But we see each other so often when we go to cons. And we see each other every week with you doing these. So it's a real treat to have him here. You guys know the, if you're really enjoying this podcast, all I ask it is please subscribe and help the little podcast that could and at inside of you podcast on instagram and facebook at inside of you pod on the Twitter you can watch us on youtube please subscribe write a review keep listening and if you want to join patreon to support the podcast that would be dynamite uh it really helps patreon.com slash inside of you i'll write you a message and um also my instagram at the michael rosenbaum just go to my link tree on the instagram and

You'll see what cons Tom and I are going to, cameo, sunspin my band, all that information, stores, everything you need is there. So I don't need to talk about it. Even Rosie's puppy fresh breath is there. I talk about that. But it's a product I came out with, my buddy Tom Lally, childhood friend, and we like good breath on dogs. That's all I have to say. And it's easy to use. It's like a capful in their water based on how much water you have in there.

It says on the instructions. And it's great. And thanks for all the support. And, yeah, without further ado, let's get inside of Tom, Tom, Thomas Welling. Should I do the thing again? And without further ado, let's get inside of Thomas Welling. It's my point of you, you're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded

in front of a live studio audience. Well, well, well, if it isn't Thomas Welling, I never get to see you. Long time, no, see. Thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for coming. I know you were reluctant. It's the 300th episode starring, I just wanted, I don't care if we

talk about nothing for the next 45 minutes. I wanted you to be my 300th guest. You're one of my favorite people on the planet, and it's always easy talking to you. And by the way, have you started losing your hair yet? I know you're easing up on 50 soon. No, I got hair. People ask me the cons. I got hair. I got lots of hair. I just don't want to like do it. And my mom has hair, so I'm good. That's what I hear. Wait, wait, wait. Did you say

your mom has hair? She does. Well, most moms have hair. Ryan, does your mom have hair? Mm-hmm. Okay. I mean, that's not something you say, well, my mom still has her hair. Really, your dad. It's a high school thing. It's, gee. you have to look into like your mom's dad who may or not have hair as far as I know and my mom's dad did have hair and my mom is hair so I think I'm good all right good for you and you're 46 I think so let me ask you they always ask you that question do you feel 46 no where's your mind I feel 20 I feel like 26 and 82 at the same time yeah because I don't know what that adds up to we should do that math because

I just thought about that right now. Well, last weekend, you were, you threw your back out, and it was hard to watch. You were wearing a brace. You were like, you were like me, usually with my back. Well, the difference is, if I may, you, you're in constant pain and you've had surgery and you're about to go in another surgery. For me, it's just, it feels like once a year my back just goes, take a break, you know. And some people say that's from a mental standpoint.

I don't see that. Maybe I need to talk to a therapist about that. You do. But my back was out. I wasn't in pain. My back just didn't work. So I was moving like one sith of how I used to work. Oh, yeah.

You were moving slow. I didn't want to say anything, but we did a con a few weeks back before the holidays. And we went to Nashville, which was a great time. But I guess it happened to you on the plane. So we did it Smallville Nights, which is an intimate evening with us that we do at the cons, which we'll do one in Albuquerque if you want to go to the cons, look on my link tree. We're interacting with the fans and we're really. reading scenes from the show and it's like this intimate thing and you look like 90 years old

just because you're back the way I borrowed a cane from a fan yeah I'm like can I borrow a cane from the audience he borrowed a cane this is like old Lex old Clark talking about her uh you know it's funny you know as much as you paint about as I've had like surgeries and stuff I don't like I still feel in my head I feel young but like we you're sharp yeah you're sharp yeah you're sharp Well, I don't know how sharp I am, but like we went to a rooftop bar at the hotel and I went with the guys like, you know, some friends of mine. And we were all up there. Even Erica came up there, Erica Durant's. And I took a laugh. I wasn't there. Right. You weren't there. You were in your bed, you know, on Advil back in pain. Yeah. But I, uh, I took a lap. I wanted to check out

the place, scope it. And I felt like I was everyone in there's father just by looking at them. Not how I felt, but when I looked at them, I was like, oh, my gosh, you're like 20 years old. It's funny. You spark a memory for me just in this moment. When I was, I think 19 and 20, I was living in New York as a quote-unquote model, and we were getting complete access to every nightclub with nothing to pay for, nothing else. And it was just a bunch of models everywhere. And then Smallville kind of hit. I remember we went to promote.

the first season of Smallville and I were some of the places were still around and I went to this one place. I won't mention it. But I went back there and now they let me in because now I'm on this TV show and I got back to this room that I remember where all these people were and everybody looked so much younger than I was even at like 22. I was like, oh wow. Yeah. Yeah. What are you going to do. I mean, let me ask you. You said, you know, you talked about, you know, when you first got small, though, and I know you did construction before you were modeling. If, first of all, do you still honestly, because a lot of people will say, and bartending. Do you still love acting, honestly? Yeah. You do. I have a friend of mine right now, um, currently, I don't know when this is

in air. And I just, he just helped finish a movie that didn't work. So they brought down this new producer and he was a guy who when when we did these last four days of this movie that was that was shot in Italy I have two movies coming out in the new year I don't even I think they've changed the names of the titles but we shot in Italy we couldn't finish it so we shot it in Dallas and I met this producer and he was him and I become friends because he was on set with us if you know what I mean he was like moving things like doing things and we had a we'd a fight sequence that I was able to help out with and then he moved it. We just became like buddies and he called me recently and he was like, hey, you know, I got this movie I want you

do and you're like, oh yeah, sure you do. But he's like, but I'm doing this other movie and we need a sheriff. Do you want to do it for no money? And I was like, I really honestly, I go, yes. Like because of the relationship with him and I go, yes. And I'm going to play this, hopefully I'm to play the sheriff for probably one day, two days. Really? Why? Because you love it. I read this script and I love the script and I love this guy. And you and I have spoke about this before is as you have the opportunity, you want to work with people you like.

Yes. You know, this guy says, hey, I need you. I'm in, like, if you were like, I need you, by the way, that's what we're doing right now. You're like, I need you for this. I want you to do this podcast. And that, because, you know, I have other things to do, but I'm here with you because you asked me. And that's a beautiful.

full situation. But what would you do if you were still living in Michigan and you didn't have the looks to get you to the modeling and then the modeling to the acting and all this stuff? And let's say it just stopped at bartending and construction. What do you honestly think? If you could honestly say, hey, this is probably what I would have done. My grandfather was a firefighter. And I've always thought about that because what I love about firefighters is they help people. Yeah. You know, maybe that turned into the Clark thing. I don't know. Like when the cops show up, you're like, ah, slap. But when the firefighters show up, they're there there to help you. I mean, that's a maybe non-sigrant. I got rise of attention there.

But maybe I would have gone there. I have friends who've gotten into firefighting in and out of it. You would have gone in a firefighting to help people, but instead, you became an actor, playing a character that helps and saves people. Pretending to help. But you have helped many people out there who this show was everything that they needed at that time. you know when 9-11 happened people how many people have told us how important this show was to them or when they saw it with their dad and their dad's no longer with them but it was a memory it was like or they got them through a tough time well i mean i agree with that um you and i spend a lot of time to cons and we meet people who've watched the shows with growing up with their like parents who maybe are not here anymore but it still inspires them but i will throw this back in your face and say that I have seen you physically help more people than, you know, you have taken effort to help people Ron McDonald's house and whatnot. You have actually become a superhero in your own life.

And I'm not trying to like, well, no, I appreciate it. But, you know, I always feel like, and it's true, I don't do enough. I think I could do a lot more. And I think I'm more fulfilled. We all can. I feel like I have more purpose when I do help people because I feel like, I feel like, I feel like I feel like but I think that true I don't know altruism true like purpose is being selfless and you're going to get purpose by doing something for someone else that you because you want

to do that because you want to help them you want to help them get through a dark timer and so I don't think that I do enough I think a lot of people could say that but I honestly think I should do a lot more and you know but thank you well I also if if I may interject. I think one of the things that I get from listening to this podcast, because I am a listener. I know that. And I think I'm still a patriot. I signed up at one point. I think I am. I'll have to look. You do a good job of, and you inspire me to this. You take care of yourself so you can help other people. Like I see you making efforts. And I, you know, whether it's the interesting interviews you have with Zach Levi, which he always has a lot to say, but I love

listening to it. Yeah. What I like is you say you got to take care yourself so you can take care of other people and I think that's a very wonderful thing. And Ryan, I don't mean to put you on the point, but I just looked up and saw you here, but I don't know if you get that from this or not and I'd love your feedback, but like Michael inspires me and I wonder if not to put you in the point. You can say, no. I don't inspire Ryan at all. I don't inspire him. No, but I agree with what you're saying a lot. Like that's something that I had learned a lot. in therapy is like you in because i do a lot of helping other people but it helps a lot of you can help yourself first so that you can put yourself in a position to help for other people

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when they teach you, like, you already know how to swim and they teach you how to, like, save people. The number one thing is if you don't think you can save the other person, you save yourself, because that other person will bring you down. And I think what I'm trying to do is kind of spin this to your podcast, which is get yourself in a place of status or status, however you want to say it, or homeostasis, so that you can then help other people. It is, it is in layman's terms the analogy i would i think you're you're aiming for is when you're in a plane they always say put your mask on before you put the other one mask on so you could help yourself so you could help uh you know other people like like a kid or whatever but anyway listen on that note i know

you you don't get too private and we don't have to get private because i love your wife jess and i think she's just unbelievable so i know she likes you more than i'm comfortable with well come on She's like, he's so in her, he's so magnetizing. And I was like, what? Magnetizing. I've never had a woman call me magnetizing. Magnetic. I think it's an episode of Smallva that wasn't good.

It made me uncomfortable as well. Oh, great. Now he's going to hate me for something I didn't do. What has Jessica taught you about yourself that you're working on to be a better, maybe a better person? What is it that you've gone? Oh, my God, she's right. Because we've had conversations where you're like, you've said something and you're like, I'm like, well, and you're like, you're like, well, she's right.

What do you want me to do about it? How much time do you guys? But listen, hopefully when you're married and you meet the right person, they make you a better person. No, it's challenging. I mean, listen, it's. Does she tell you to be patient? Yeah, but you, here's the thing like, okay, I'm going to come back to your other question, but this question, patience, you can't tell someone to be patient.

Like, there's a whole unwrapping of why someone's on it. Because people you're telling to be patient don't understand. understand what you're talking about. However, what Jessica has not told me, but has helped me reflect upon how I operate. And I think that's even more important. Like, I might wake up a little earlier in the morning. And when she wakes up, I'm sort of like, you know, hey, this, this, this is this. And she's like, time out. You know what I mean? And so she's taught me how to be more respectful of her space how to understand my own operating system just like hey in the moment maybe think about how you want to operate instead of just like you know throwing up on

huh i know you're saying so almost take a beat to go hey how do i want to collect yourself collect yourself i i don't do that enough i don't collect myself enough no you're impulsive but you're you're no but you are, but this is why I do this and that's why we have a good relationship. You're impulsive, but it always comes from such a beautiful place that everyone allows it to happen. Okay. Because sometimes I feel like- I mean that is a good way. Everyone loves you because it's all heart. And I- I guess so. Sometimes I get annoyed with myself. I'm like, why can't you be more patient? Why can't you be quieter? Why can't you be less impulsive? Dude, I'm, I'm, I'm, no one bugs me more than I do. I know. And, but I've gotten better in, in our relationship of trying not

to bug my wife more with my impulses right do you uh do you think i hope we have to interview her next well yeah i would do that i just i've noticed in you a huge change now i don't want to say no it is it's for the better now i don't know if it's just i don't know if it's um just your experience doing these cons and just a new outlook after smallville because you were so in that world for so many years and so many like the go-to guy we need you for this we need you for that we need you and you're a very private person and you went through a divorce and all these things and i and maybe finding your soulmate but i i feel like there's just a calmness about you that i'm more comfortable being around like i wasn't always comfortable being around you because i felt like

you don't want to be there you're little tense you're short like that was that was there was that was there that was the whole smallville was that yeah and i feel like now you go to these cons and you're not always let's go let's go hurry you're kind of just like you're just yeah you're the calm one you're like you're just chill you're in the room you're talking to people you're talking to fans you're you're engaging you're like a I don't want to say a different person because you weren't it wasn't a person I didn't like but you are a different person yeah I mean I would like to hope so I still have some things but I know what you mean and because a couple cons ago you actually said something about it and it was at the same time where I had happened upon a

consciousness of what makes you happy and I don't what is happy what makes you happy well when you get what you want it's happy when you don't get you want you're not happy but what do you really want and when you don't get you what you want can't you just be happy within yourself and what's what are and what I put on top of that from the con experience that you talk about is what are you really in control of and what what's really going to go wrong like you can be be yourself Right. You know, give and be calm. And that's maybe what you've seen in me. I'm still working on it as we all do. Yeah. And but yeah, I mean, literally, we've talked about this before, but on Smallville, it was all just, I felt like I was like a boxer. It was just like this all the time. Yeah, you're just defending yourself and just trying to, yeah. Yeah. And now you're trying to survive. Well, let me ask you this. We went to Nashville and we did this con and there was this huge tornado. And, you know,

horribly and sadly people lost their lives well when this thing's coming at us and the sky is just this color I've never seen and the alarms are going off and it's the the warnings are coming up on your on your on your what they call those iPhone alerts amber alerts or whatever it is well Amber is missing children missing children it's not that one it's just an alert yeah and you're in a room and everyone's phone goes on right so what I'm saying is they made us all go down the entire con hotel to the but were you there for what i said to the parking structure and like it was serious like jensenackles and me and tom and jared we all went down to the parking structure with all these fans with all these people in the hotel and we were awaiting what instructions on what

to do next and the first thing i was thinking of net well i actually i'm thinking of now is you know i'm kind of carefree and i'm like i'm not worried i'm just like i just have to take care of myself but at all were you at all thinking were you worried were you thinking, oh, you know, I've got these two boys and my wife at home. Did that, that occur to you at all? Do you ever think of that stuff? It's so funny because I literally got a slap in the face from Kim who works with us. Physical or mental?

No, no, no. It was mental. But like, I come back to the room, you know, we're both about to be done for the day, which everybody loves to be done for the day. And we get back there, the Lurt goes off. And Kim was like kind of, and she runs the show. she's awesome for these and and it was like okay we all have to go down to the parking garage third level there's a tornado coming we all need to go and I turned her and I go well I don't

need to go and she goes what do you mean I'm like I mean and I literally said to her such a this is so stupid I go I'm an adult I can do whatever I want because I was thinking I'm going to walk back two blocks at the hotel right and she looks at me and she goes do you really want your wife to hear that you're the one person that leaves and dies and leaves your wife and two kids and I was like, let's go down to the parking garage. So it's like, no one's per, you know, because I was just like, I want to go, I want to go.

And you know me, one of the things that works for me at work, and this is a sidebar, everything that's wrong with me works on set. Like me on set, all my, everything crazy and, like, it all works. In life is, it's more of an adapt. if that makes any sense. So when she's like, we all have to go downstairs, we have to go. And I'm like, well, I don't have to go.

And then when she said it to me, I was like, and I told my wife this story. Puts things in the perspective. Hey, do the boys ever bring you to tears? Is there any something, is there something that you're, you know, kids where they do things and it just makes you like in a good way, like a emotional way. Like these are my boys. I love them more than anything. It's distracting how instantaneous they absorb your emotion.

in the best way. Like I went for a walk with my two boys yesterday and we went up in the hills and we were, it's all beautiful. And they just start doing things and saying things and they say things that you don't know where they got from. Like sometimes they say things and you're like,

oh, they heard that from me. They heard that from their mom. They heard that from that show we watch. And then them coming out with things that like you don't know where they come from and with such beauty. I mean, it's disorienting in a beautiful way.

Yeah. That's how I would say. I love that. It's great. Do you think, is there a pressure on you? I know you had a good childhood. Like your parents were good parents, right? Do you feel like there's a pressure, like, to be a good father,

always do the right things? Are you hard on yourself? Are you just embracing this whole world of fatherhood? Okay. Like, it's tough, but then you see the beauty in them, like I referred to my other story about going on the hike with them. It's like you see these beautiful people making choices on their own and they're only four and two years old it's up to yeah but it's it's it's the most

important thing in my life and it it's it's it's like a the tent pole in my life for right now of course yeah i mean listen i know this is maybe a dumb question but i've thought of this question like um if somebody said hey it's all over this is uh this is what you've done like you take that any way you want would you be proud of what you've accomplished um is it good enough for you cool uh no it's not no and i but i mean that's like i'm not i mean i'm proud of it but not enough like i feel like there's more and i think the main part is raising like my my boys um kind of like what you said i feel like there's there's more to give am i proud of what we accomplished like with us on our show yeah i think it stands up in our podcast that we do together i'm like this is

legit like if my kids watch that show that's great but that's a tv show um my my thing that i think about is how can i be an example for my children as is much more important yeah but i look at you and i'm like star of a tv show made a ton of money made a lot of people happy beautiful sweet wife um beautiful kids live in a really cool place like if it all ended you know uh if god forbid i'd say dwelling had a great life well now would be now would be a good time because both my boys like you know Thompson's favorite although they play with all the different characters when I ask Thompson who's his favorite superhero he looks at me and he says quietly Superman but then he goes plays with Iron Man and

like he doesn't because he's he's already seen that he's already seen our show um I don't think Rocky's familiar with it yet but when you have young children at this at this age they still think I'm awesome

um they haven't figured it out yet you know what I mean I've figured out that you're not awesome no they know they know it dad's always their favorite person you know I always think this of you are you a messy person I have a feeling you're a messy person and just bitches at you constantly.

You know, that's an easy question to answer. I'm messy, but I'm clean. What does that mean? You take a shower and then you take a shit on the floor? I have clean clothes that aren't organized. Yeah, I'm not dirty, but I'm messy. I take a shower before I go to bed. I like to be clean, but I'm not exactly organized.

I have a feeling Ryan's messy. I kind of that way, the messy clean. All my clothes are clean. yeah they're just not organized no my they're organized i mean uh i would like i just look at my my my desk is like a little bit chaotic but i know where everything goes i just have i have stacks of hard drives yeah yeah i like i'm i'm more functional than i am oh this needs to be like let me let me move this right here let me tell you something let me tell you something my old therapist who was right about this one thing said you

have to have everything around you organized and put together or you will fall apart that's your personality everything has to be neat everything has to be organized so because your mind's so disorganized that it helps me so if my everything's solid everything's if I think that I have to do this this room's a mess this then I'm not focusing I have this ADD so I have to make sure everything around me is good and then I could sit there and I can write and I could focus like when I leave this room. I like it a certain way. Ryan knows. I like the pillows to be nice. I like this podcast room to be like when I walk in the next time. It's great, looks great, ready to go. Who wouldn't? Right. But I will say that our time on set, you and I share this. You walk on the

set and it's not a, it's not a proclamation, but it's what's going on, what's, what's the structure that I can be creative within. And as long as it's all taken care of, I can be creative. If not, I'm distracted and I can't be creative. Yeah. That's kind of the other side of that. But I agree with what he's saying. I don't need everything to be perfect to do what I do. I know.

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kind of you don't take you're not you're not aware of all the things you've actually done it's funny this would be a good question for my wife um no and i don't i don't I mean that in the best way because she said to me, she's like, I'm very proud of the work we did. And now in our rewatch podcast, I'm able to enjoy it. At the time, I didn't because I didn't know what it was. I'm proud of it. I think my kids will be proud of it when they see it as well. I just think there's more out there for me to express if that answers a question.

But at one point, she kind of said, like, it's not how I define myself. Like, I don't walk around being like, I'm the guy from that show. I really don't. And I think she respects that. I think she does. But, yeah, I don't, like, that's something we did, and that's great. And I'm more proud of it now than I was when we did it. Sure.

But there's more to come. That's sort of how I feel. Well, there's also, like, the good guy aspect of it. Like, I was watching this video on it. Somebody on YouTube did nice guys and mean guys. and they had like Mike Myers is a terror on set and people all these things but then they had Adam Sandler he walks into like a restaurant and the woman's like oh sorry she says we don't have any whatever and he goes oh all right or he says we don't have any seats for you sorry you know we can't

and he's like oh no problem and he's like all right all right and he left with his daughter and he didn't he wasn't like you know listen I'm an actor yeah I'm gonna show yeah can you hook me up um yeah I just, I think, would you, look, we've all been, um, we, we've all said things, done things, our actions didn't always, uh, make us proud if we look back. I mean, just as a human being, not as I can't anything specific. I'm not really referring to. But is there something about, like, any, any, do you look back at your actions, albeit on set or in personal life and go, you know what? I was immature and stupid and I really wish I wouldn't act it that way and I wish I could apologize to that person now. Yeah and I and I think especially with with this podcast being toward

like mental health in the best way of self-reflection being able to learn from those things. Like there was a time they were directing an episode of Smallville outside in the parking lot and I was trying to finish an episode I was directing and starring in in the basement. of the production studio. And we were trying to do this 300 sort of thing, like a slow bullet going, Clark does this. And outside, they kept calling on the radio

that they had problems and problems. And I, it was like three or four, we had to stop when they were rolling and back and forth. And I lost, I lost my composure. And I went out there and I raised my voice toward a crew who I know, I know all their names. And the first CD comes over and says, Tom, Tom, Tom, I need you to.

And I'm like, I'm not going to calm down. It was just such an immature situation. Right. And he goes, and he, I don't remember what he said, but he said, something that shut me up. Like, he probably said, shut, fuck up. And he pointed up in the sky and there was a, like a crane with a light with a 5K or two up there. And it was moving like 10 feet. he's like we're trying to get that guy down and I'm telling you dude I've never felt this since

or before this complete like I am so out of line right now embarrassed or uninformed and uninformed and embarrassed and everyone's like that's okay you didn't know you didn't have the information and this and that that experience has helped me now as I deal with set situations of life situations going on where you remind yourself hopefully that you may be triggered but maybe the next trigger is to remind yourself you might not have all the information for the situation it might not be about you it's about something else even better yeah yeah and then i never did again by the way i never raised my voice left set ever again yeah when you when you watch that video of christian bail and he's just losing his shit and going nuts do you are are you

were you shocked could you have did you ever think you could do something like that i'm glad you brought that up because that's what I did. It's a, that's a, that's what I did in the story just still before. I think you and I talked about this and it was like, oh, that's so, everybody was like, it's so horribly did that. I'm like, they call it stacking in, in psychology. It's a, it's a stacking of this emotion that adds to the explosion. You're stacking up the dynamite and then it explodes.

Right. I'm, I don't know Christian Bale. I don't know anybody there. There's been some behind the scenes things, which helped me believe where, What I'd like to think, which is he's been dealing with this. He's asked for changes. It hasn't been changed. I don't agree with how he dealt with it.

But when it happened, I was like, well, there's other actors. I mean, there's Joaquin Phoenix had a very famous intimate. Why they leaked this information is actually kind of horrible. I think it's a good thing. Because if you leak that sort of information, I mean, look, there should be privacy and no one should have that. but like somebody was like you know the guy who grabs the tape or the film and takes and gets a transfer he's like you know what i'm going to take a copy of this and no one's going to know it was me and i'm going to air it because this guy's a fucking asshole now i think he's a brilliant actor

christian bail i don't know the details but i bet it helped him i bet he'll never do that again i bet i agree if if something is presented to you where you see yourself in another light and you don't like it that's when you make a change When you hit rock bottom is the only time that you realize your, you know, your issues, your, what's the word, your, your, your freaking personality, your, the way you handle things affects other people and there's consequences. I think when you see that, you, you, that's the best chance you have to make changes. I have a friend of mine who, and I'm not going to see his name because he's too famous.

He's literally too famous to mention. And 30 years ago, he did a film with the very famous director. And I'm sorry to be that guy who's not naming names. But here's the situation. His director called him in and said, I need you to watch dailies. And he walked in. And he's watching the dailies. And he's seeing himself on camera, literally chewing his own mouthfall because he'd been doing cocaine.

Oh, wow. And the director was like, I want you to see this. and the story was told to me as a as a coming to Jesus moment for him and he goes, that's when I stopped doing cocaine. So it speaks to what you said when he saw himself, he was like, I can't be that person anymore. We justify what we're feeling in any given moment, but when you're being photographed, and then that's why when like you're doing something as when he goes, let me video it. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

You know, like there is a thing about that. but if we were maybe that'd be helpful i don't know i'm i did something where i was on a recording of something and i thought the recording was over and i started talking to my friend and saying shit and just joking between two friends who if people heard some of the shit we say they'd be like monsters because we're just like it's not real it's like complete exaggeration but like you'd be like first of all it would hurt feelings and it would and i but no one heard it but somebody texts me and goes hey you're still on on air yeah and i go what and if people would have heard it it would have i'm telling you the feeling i had was absolute shame and embarrassment

even though no one heard it and it wasn't that bad but i felt like i'm i'm done i'm I mean, it was, it was horrible, but thank God, you know, so you got to be careful. I have friends who have lost their jobs talking to people who have actually become presidents for seeing worse things. You know what I mean? Like, it's some things are said, like you and I, even Bryce and Ryan, like when we're off air, we have conversations. It's not horrible, but it's not worth sharing. It's between friends. Right.

And that's okay. Because it's, we all understand the context of the. humor in what we're saying. I hear you. It's a scary thing if someone were to just listen to what you were saying without you knowing they were listening. Yeah. Hey, let me ask you, if

Alan Miles came to me and you and said, listen, yes. We've got a Smallville movie. I already answered it. Well, Smallville movie, I mean, I'd be like, yes, let's hear it. I don't know how it would happen. Well, if they came up with an idea for a Smallville movie or five years later, or it was right before

like, let's say they just said we have this idea. It's before you still, before you come Superman, and it's this little window here. It's this like, and we want to make a movie and we've got this great idea and it's going to be on Netflix. Would you consider it? Of course. I mean, listen, I was thinking about this the other day right before we did our talk about podcast, but like, no, we were on one of the most successful shows in the history of

television, like top 50. From that show, I've never got an incoming call from anyone involved in that show for further work. And I don't mean to, I'm not saying that like, I don't feel bad about that. I don't harp on any about that. But you would think that when you're successful, you would be continued successful with successful people. But I think the time has changed. It is sort of sad. I think in this world, there are a few people who they come up together. They start making things and they put all their friends in it and they constantly use their friends. There's very few people like that. I've had many friends who have become tremendous successes.

Some put their friends in the movies. Some don't. They're also under different influences studio casting. Let's give them that. Sure. But people think it's hard enough getting a movie from people that don't know you. But when you're not getting things from people that do know you, then it's like, oh my God.

Well, now I'm really fucked. That's true. It's funny. But it's cool that you do a small of a movie. I think that it'd be hilarious to the concept. They'd be like, Tom, I want you to get ripped. I want you to lose 20 pounds. Rosenbaum, I want you to do this.

I want you to look this. You're shaving your head. And we're doing this. And we're getting, you know, and we're getting. And it'd be pretty fun. I don't know. Is that more? That sounds more like Al than Miles, by the way.

Yeah. Just that's like the voice. No, no, no, no. Terrible idea. Terrible idea. You have addictions. I do. Buying clothes, bags, sweatshirts.

Every time I see you've got a new fucking bag, and I'm like, where'd you get that? You've got a new cordless speaker, one of those Bluetooth speakers. You're the gadget guide. It's just how you always like, stop buying shit. It's funny you say this. I'm always trying to find like the right, like the right headphones or the right clothes, like simplifying my travel, but in trying to simplify it, I buy more things, which is so, so ridiculous. us like headphones or, because we travel so much.

Yeah, it's not like we're going out and buying Porsches or Lamborghinis. We're buying, I buy t-shirts. Yeah, I don't. My friend Jess is always like, do you need another t-shirt? I'm like, yes, I do. I need t-shirts and sneakers. That's it. I don't need much.

You do because I see the same five or six from you all the time. I know, why do I? No, but I always wear the same t-shirts because I don't know. Anyway, listen, can we talk about Tom? I know you had an incident in a long time ago. a lot of people don't know about where you sort of, and everything's great now and you're fine, God willing. Yeah.

But you had an incident and it was where, tell me about that. Well, it was a little health scare, which I didn't necessarily experience in that, without context, I'm sorry I mentioned it, but everybody around me did. And I mean, Jessica kind of literally saved my life. And when I was in the hospital, obviously my parents flew in. You know, we talked about how my parents are awesome. And there were really only two other people that came to visit me in the hospital. One was everybody, Ryan.

And it's funny because I don't remember seeing him there because I was still sort of in the hospital mode. Yeah. The only person I remember actually visiting me was you, which you didn't need to be there. You didn't have to come there. I don't even know how you knew about what was happening. And then throughout that and me sort of kind of coming back from whatever it was, you were there. there to be like, hey, buddy, let's go hang out. Like, let's go up to the, you know, the Mahal and Tennis Club. Like, let's get out of the house. That's when we started hanging out, really after that incident. And you really, you know, and it helped me because you allowed me to kind of talk about

some of the frustrations I was having. So thank you. You're welcome. Maybe I've never said that before. But yeah, that was, it was a, it was a weird experience. It's sort of like, is it like you have tent poles in your life, you know, you you know, you were born, you graduated high school, or I didn't go to college, but maybe you have a 10-year-long television show in that, that's college, then, you know, Smallville

college. And then you have children, and then you have health things. And it was a tent pole. And I do know that what you did for me was very helpful. So thank you. They continue to do. And we don't have to, of course, man, of course. And we don't have to get into it. But it was a scare because you, like, passed out, right? In a DMV. Yeah. He passed out completely. conscious pretty much and in front of everybody. It was like, were you just standing there? Do you remember anything you said before you just passed out?

Well, one of the things about what happens is you don't remember because that's how your brain protects yourself. But if I, my wife, Jessica, was standing to my right. If I had fallen to my left, there would have been more serious consequences, but I kind of, I felt to my right and she kind of like helped me to the ground. and then it was, I woke up at the hospital. So, and then it was just trying to figure things out. And we did.

And everything's fine now. But it was weird. I mean, I think Jessica had to deal with it more than I did, if that makes any sense, because I was not conscious. Yeah. I remember it was just, it was one of those things. And by the way, Jessica was pregnant at the time with Thompson. And what scary is, it just, it happened.

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and it was this stuff you did in South Africa and he's dangerous and a lot of guns and this team of, you know, assassins or whatever, FBI or CIA stuff, whatever. But even doing something like that, could you see? the talent he had in just the small time that you had working with him. Yeah, so he played a character who on paper, my character was supposed to be, you know, his character pays me to protect him. And my character doesn't like this guy. He doesn't like what he stands for.

And moment to moment on set, I saw the brilliance of Brendan where I was fighting not liking him. Like, I'm not supposed to like this guy. But his angle on the character was so just like, it was annoying, to be honest, it was annoying because I'm like, I'm not supposed to like you. And so what happened is it bled into the connection between the characters, which I think became sort of like a, not Butch Cassidy Sundance, but it was like a, you could see my character being ground down by this guy's agenda. And I think him and I just, we didn't like hang out after said or do any of that. But Onset, he has this thing of bringing you in and he's so engaged and he's so such a beautiful person. I think that's literally how. And when I've seen him a few times since, like at cons and stuff, he's just beautiful.

He's just so wonderful. Lastly, I know you wanted to ask me something. And we'll finish with this. this is a fan question on my go ahead so my fan fan question is as a patron member recently I know you had Keanu on

and I have a story about Keanu where when I was when I production company Warner Bros. We sold a television show and I was in New York kind of celebrating that and my agent who I was meeting for dinner called me and he goes you know where do you want to go to dinner we're going to celebrate everything's on me

and I was like oh great so I picked this great spot and he goes I'm going to bring my friend Keanu And I was like, okay, cool. I, you know, I didn't catch it. I'm like, okay, cool, you're going to bring somebody. So we get there, we sit down, we're having fun. And 20 minutes later, Keanu Reeves, it's done. You know, my agent's like, hey, and then my agent tells him why we're celebrating.

And he, the way he looked at me and engaged to me, and he said, what you just did was so difficult to do. He didn't say I'm proud of you, but he just like, was like, I was like, oh, my God. genuinely happy for you and really cool about, like, your success. And it wasn't, it was just a beautiful person saying something beautiful. And I was like, no one around me has said this except him. Everybody else, you know what I mean? He's the only person who actually said it. And we had a great night.

He ordered some of the best one I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. And I just became a fan of him as a person. And I've never seen him since. But I know you recently just interviewed him. So as a fan was it be like, how to, what was your experience? with him because I know he's a gracious, wonderful person and I watch everything he does. I'll just say this. But being with him, he has this thing. Yeah, well, he came on with his band

as two band members, Brett and Rob, and they were the nicest guys ever. And, you know, I was told ahead of time, like from one of his friends, like, hey, don't make it about Keanu because it's, you know, it's kind of the band and they're on tour. And, uh, and I go, no. Yeah, dog star. And And they've got a great band. And I had worked with Keanu in Sweet November. I was a transvestic that lived next door to Charlize's throne. And I loved working with him. And I was nervous about having Keanu on because I was like, my friend's like,

hey, have him on. And if he has a good time, then it'll be easier to get him on the podcast alone. And so, you know, he sits down. He comes in. And I go, hey, can I get you a cup of coffee? He goes, oh, that would be great. Yeah. And I go, can you drink out of my son's been?

my band he goes oh i want to hear something and i played a sunspin song remember that and i was like cool and i were so excited ryan and i were so nervous because we got we had an extra camera and we had to make sure everything was on and recording and i was like i don't want anything to go fucking wrong and we're both nervous right and he sits down i go would you mind sitting there he goes no it's great and he sits there and he looks up so good while recording the first thing he says i thought i'm going to have to dig stuff you know he goes i know that movie it's dracula and i go oh my god i forgot that you're in that movie and he goes yeah he goes you got gary oldman to sign that i'm like yeah and he goes you know i i once gave francis ford copula mushrooms because he directed dracula and that was the first thing

he said of the interview and it just made every i think whether he knew it or not it just put me at and you know when I asked him questions about how he deals with life and things like that he was very you know he's very quirky he's just he's an odd guy in a in a cool way but he's very reserved he knows but I think he knows a lot more than you think he's shy and he's well articulate but I will say this he said he's comfortable with himself I go what do you do when you're trying to work something out of your stress and he goes Michael um because I'd like to be quiet i like to sit there and close my eyes and just think about everything and just try to think it through and the way he said it and you'll hear it it's just a couple of things he said and what you know

again i was talking to three guys a lot but and and after the show i could tell you enjoyed it and we went outside and we hung out for like a half an hour in front of the house talked about his motorcycle talked about me working with him talked about our mutual friends and i just felt like for someone that's such a big star that everybody wants a piece of him, he couldn't have been nicer. When I said, can we get a picture? He's like, yeah, yeah. And I go, can Ryan get a picture with you? He's like, yeah.

He was just like a genuinely sweet man. That's what I'll say about him. So it also sounds like he's there with you. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? He's like sharing the moment with you. And I think that's a, I don't know. He just wants to hang out.

He doesn't want to talk about himself. He just wants to talk about things that people talk about. A lot of times it's like when you, you're with someone that you're like, oh, do we talk about, you know, just talk about what you would talk about. So I was like, oh, man, I love music. What kind of guitar you have? Just talk. And that's the best way to do it. And he's, and he's, and he's interested. He's interested in things. This is, was this better than you thought? You know, I, you know, I didn't want to do this. But I did it for you. I mean, that's my own ego, whatever. But, um, I knew that we

had fun talking i don't we even remember what we just talked about but tom thanks for being on man i love you i'm sure i'll be talking to you within an hour so good luck to you there you want to stick about a ryan ryan thank you for being here thank you for allowing how did you feel about the interview ryan i felt great about it i always like hearing from you and also this is like a nice different context we don't have to talk about smallville today yeah we didn't really talk about Because usually we're talking about something else. Yeah. No, but you opened up about some things. And I think people are going to really, really dig that.

And it was a fun conversation. So I love you, buddy. Give Jess a tongue kiss for me and tell her, I'm more magnetic than ever. I'll see you later, buddy. Will you ever wonder how dark the world can really get? Well, we dive into the twisted, the terrifying, and the true stories behind some of the world's most chilling crimes. Hi, I'm Ben. And I'm Nicole.

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It's been a treat. 300 episodes. There's not much else I could say, Ryan, I hope you've had a decent time. You know, it's not like we spend 40 hours a week together. We might spend like two or three hours a week together. But ultimately, has it been a decent experience? It sure has. Well, I like that.

I like, you're appreciated. I hope you know that. Thank you. I appreciate you. Well, dual. Dual. Double. Double appreciation.

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Oracle Amanda R Kevin E Stephanie K Jorell Jam and J. Leanne J. Luna R. Mike F. Stone H. Brian L. Jules M. Kendall L. Jessica B. Marisol P. Kaley J. Brian A. Marion Louise L. Romeo the band. Frank B. Gentine, Nikki L. April R. R. R. Randy S. J. D.D. W. Melissa H. Nick W. Stephanie and Evan. Charlene A. Don G. Hello, Don G. Don G. Jenny B. John, Jennifer R. Tina E. E. N.G. Tracy, Junie, and Tasha S. Thanks, guys. All my love. I'm glad. I read all the names.

Don G. It made me think of Shrek. Donge. Donge! Oh, my gosh. Donke. Guys, I love you. Thank you for all the support. 300 episodes. Hopefully, let's just take it 50 at a time. Now, let's just, you know, no.

But I'll do this as long as you guys are supporting me. and um as long as i have your support i'm here so thanks and spread the word and let's make the show bigger and better if we can so and thanks bryce and jason oh yeah without a doubt i mean without those guys i mean bryce is the backbone of it all and jason he puts it together to make you get you know so people are listening and it's easy to listen to and it's it's tight and jason's editing on the video it's just he takes care of me takes care of the guest he takes care of the he puts his he puts his all into it as does bryce so i'm i'm blessed to have all you guys on the team ryan bryce jason and i'm blessed to have all you listeners out there who support the podcast

and are listening and thank you so here's to here's to 300 more let's just say it and thanks to westwood one for all their support and getting us um advertisers and uh working so diligently and um believing in the podcast so thank you and from the hollywood hills in Hollywood, California. I am Michael Rosenbaum. I am Ryan Taylor's. I'm here too. A little wave to the camera. We love you guys. Thanks. And be good to yourselves. Be good to yourselves or self. Hi, I'm Joe Sal C. Hi. Host of the Stacking Benjamin's podcast. Today, we're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000. What would you do? Put it into a tax advantage, retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home.

Something nice. Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this addition that we're adding. $50,000. I'll buy a new podcast. You'll buy new friends. And we're done. Thanks for playing everybody. We're out of here. Stacking Benjamin's, follow and listen on your favorite platform.