Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - TOM WELLING: Relationship With Smallville, Safety in Creativity & Maturing With Fame

Episode Date: July 29, 2025

Tom Welling (Smallville, Lucifer) joins us this week for a reflective and honest conversation about the weight of carrying a legacy role, the pressure that came with it, and how his relationship with Smallville has evolved over the years. Tom talks about the unexpecte fallout from fame at a young age, the creative safety he’s found on set, and the realization that growth often comes from letting go. We also talk about the illusion of needing to respond, passing the torch to new generations, and why life happens from you, not to you. Thank you to our sponsors: 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/ (tell them we sent you!) __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I don't want you to get ripped off. But thank you for all the support. And why don't we just do it? Everything's good. You know, it's like people are like, you can't compare Tom, with the new Superman. Because Tom wasn't Superman.

He was Clark Kent. I know, but when I saw the new Superman, I was like, that's not my Superman. Yeah, but Tom never became Superman. That's true. Technically did not. He didn't. So when it comes to TV's Clark Kent,

I mean, he's my Clark Kent. I love Tyler. I love George Reeves, but like Tom is my Clarkin. Yeah. But when it comes to movies, David Cronin. David Corn Sweat is amazing. I've said it the last couple of weeks.

I think he's amazing. I'd love to hear what you think of the movie. I'd be honest, but did you give it two roses, three roses, a rose? What'd you get it? Did you, I can't imagine people are not going to like it. But, you know, again, please some of the people, some of the time, a few other people all the time, but you can't please all the people all the time. There's going to be some people that don't like it.

There's going to be a lot of people that like it, you know, everywhere in between. Just this. I do want to talk about the Superman movie for three weeks in a row. Yeah, we did it. I mean, you know, anyway. Uh, yeah, and I, I, I, my Instagram is a lot of fun pictures from the premiere if you want to check that out. But anyway, uh, let's just get inside of Tom Welling. It's my point of you.

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Well, if you didn't know, we have a very special guest with. us today. Ryan test. Ryan. No, we have Tom Welling. He's here. He's with us. Tom, it's like, you're like, what are we going to talk about? It's like, what do we ever talk about? I have no idea what we're talking about. We, there's so much to talk. Hopefully, hopefully it's not me. And Ryan's here. If you're a if you watch the small bill podcast, Ryan's here as well. So he's here in case, you know. Just to fill some time gaps. Yeah. You never know. Uh, by the way,

Tom. So you, you know, smallville's been over for how long? 25 years no no we started 25 years ago yeah so it ended in 2011 listen you have to understand i don't think about it all the time and i mean that in a good way like sometimes i forget it happened no i don't walk around every day thinking that and your and your under is oh how many days has it been since no but like it's 2025 the show ended in 2011 so 14 years ago it ended yeah i think we're coming into the 15th anniversary yeah and we talk about this we you and I have talked about it, but when you were in it, you would have never considered doing autograph signings. You would never consider doing a podcast. You'd never consider doing a lot of

these things. It wouldn't have crossed your mind. First of all, why is that, you think? Is it because you were working so much? Yes. That's the easiest answer. I think a big part of doing the cons now was you helping me understand that you're around people who love and support you in your endeavors whereas a lot of what I had before that was people trying to like trick me get me to do things get you to do things that's the rolling the Rolling Stone interview which you and I have talked about in the past where like you know they were trying to like trick us into doing something and that's what like press tours are very scary because they're trying to like find they're always there's always an angle how do we get the most out of time

Right. Whereas at the con, people are like, hey, man, I like your stuff. High five. Cool. Yeah, there's no angle. There's just like, hey, I'm here to see you. Yeah. And you're there to see them. Yeah. And I also just didn't have the time back then. I mean. You didn't have the time. But I also thought, like, I was thinking about this. And I was like, you had a different mentality. I think that you. Fun wasn't on my radar. No, I think you were more serious. Yeah. You were more. I felt very responsible. Guarded. keep a schedule and be guarded and sort of like no I'm not I'm not doing that I got it for whatever reason I think you were protecting yourself yeah inadvertently maybe because you're like no I'm going to do my work and this no I'm not doing that no I'm not doing it you should turn down a lot of stuff yeah and it was always difficult I'm sure to get you to do anything and so but I also think that you could speak for this but what do you think it is after 14 years later that

all of a sudden you you're like hey I want to do you this you know i i mentioned this earlier at a meeting with my agent this morning and um we were talking about he's got two younger clients who are up for these new things which is which is great and you know the first thing that came in mind was do you want me to talk to them that's the first thing that came in my mind yeah and not in a bad way yeah but like i just i just feel like i could be like this is great what you're doing and um but like maybe i can help you how to navigate it a little bit so that you don't just like feel like you're just horrible all this like not horrible but like you're just being controlled all the time because it doesn't have to be that way and i think it's

taken this long for us to be like this for me to look back and see how i was doing that i think it was a i think it was safety measures yeah a lot of way yeah it was funny it was funny for me this morning when he said that. I was like, man, I feel like I could. And sometimes when you talk to other people and other shows, that's sort of the back room discussions. How do you navigate? How do you navigate? Well, it was the same with Tyler Hecklin, you know, Tyler, who I love. He was just in the podcast. It took years for him to come on the podcast. He was just kind of like, I saw, I saw your clips for that. Yeah. I'm doing this. I don't have time for that. I don't have time to, you know, bullshit. And when it was over, we made it happen. And, you know, I'm doing. And, you know, I'm doing. I

I think he still needs some time probably to because he just got done with the series. But like after shooting a series for 10 years, it took you time to sort of go, now I could look back with fond memories. I could, I'm mad of it. I'm not the same guy anymore. I'm not the same. And, you know, and it's also like everybody, like I've never been in a situation where people are just like constantly coming after you. You know, I've always, I've never been really the lead. I've always been the second lead or this or never like crazy press just like you know people like hey well michael do this interview or you know some heightened success sure but nothing like you know playing clark kent on on small bill for 10 years so i can't even relate i can relate in a small way but like

you're doing all this and there comes a point it's also like oh poor me or whatnot but like you just you just weren't interested i i don't get anything out of it in that well you get something out of the cons and the podcast now yeah now i do but like the idea of my famous celebrity has never worked when i wanted it to put it like a dinner reservation a hotel that's that's not true no no i'm telling you every time i've tried to use it i've used your name well without you yeah and my credit card at dantanus no um but um it just for me it was I liked the work

I didn't like the other stuff so much and I think I've just learned I don't navigate the other stuff a little bit better now I you know it's funny but like there's no coaches for that there's no no and you were so young and you're taking all those lines

I had been in the industry for a while and for me it was like hell yeah I can get into this place I can go to this place I get a free trip I get this they're paying me to do this I was enjoying it

I was relishing that is your gift I was relishing the moment taking advantage not of them but taking advantage of the situation yeah taking advantage of opportunities understanding the opportunity presented and and that it's it's there for a limited amount of time which yeah I know now better than I boy it is I remember they're like hey they want to fly you to promote the show they're going to give you two first class tickets to london and then I was like great and then I thought and I go I want to stay at this hotel It had heated floors I know it sounds cocky

But no I wanted to go I was I was like I want this hotel It's in the heart of everywhere I want them to give me a chauffeur For the entire week I can go drive wherever I want I don't want to deal with that I just started naming things and like sure sure sure

And I'm like wow This is awesome So that part of it's cool But like it is usually unless you're a star That just continues to rise And it's like a name it's been around for you know these things end they're ephemeral they don't last long so you take advantage of the opportunities because you may not see them again i it's it's you know the idea of

life is not coming at you it's coming from you but at the same time that all sounds great but when you're in that situation there's no one there to be like hey this is what you should do and that's why you need mentors right and you need people around to be like and you are in in many ways that way to me, because I saw you having fun, which I didn't understand at the time. If you know what I mean? Like, I saw you having fun,

but I was like, I don't know how to do that. I think maybe, I'm not, I have more fun. I'm not blaming your agents, but maybe at the time your agents were kind of very delicate with you, like you're not doing that, you're not doing that. And they were part of that machine. And if they were more like,

hey, I really think you should do this. I think this is important. I think this is gonna be good. I'm sure you had those conversations. Where they try to get you to do things, but yeah, um, a lot of it's follow the money. Yeah. Oh, for them. Yeah. Just as much as you. They're getting a piece of that. They want you to work to make money. That's how they survive. Yeah. So they, you know, you have to separate the business where you have to look at it like, it's like, oh, my agent's great. My agent loves me. You're like,

well, that's kind of true. As long as you're making. As long as you're making them money. There's, it's a contingency yeah um it's not about like hey you're just a great guy you're not making me any money and i just want to keep you as a client because i've had these talks with my agent i go hey you can get rid of me at any time you know because i i want to make my own decisions i want to do this but i think he knows that i have such confidence in myself that if i want to do something i will and whether it happens tomorrow or two years you're not a bad investment in something you want right and what does it cost you nothing i'm just there yeah and you know you're making a little money off me but you could potentially make a lot of money off me

So those people that are in for the long haul, and that's very unlikely in this business. They're not, if you're not working, they're not working with you, you know? What about like the rewatch podcast? You were hesitant at first, and then you saw it as it kind of, it kind of created more buzz for cons and people and fans and like it became something else. I think the podcast has lifted a lot of things up in a lot of ways. So I, what I've, what I've found is I tend to remember more good things than bad things. Whereas I think when I was going through it, I wasn't very happy most of the time. Isn't that ironic?

Because you're always, you're remembering, I'm the one who's remembering all the bad things. And you're remembering all the good things. And it makes you look like, oh, Tom's a nice guy. I think maybe that's what I was holding on to all those years, too, were those good moments that made it worth it, whether it was that one, moment a day or one moment a week, I feel like that's what kept me going, that and feeling like I had a responsibility to every single person there to be there and to do my stuff. But I thought, yeah, I just, I'm proud of it now, where I don't think I was proud of it when we were doing it.

And I'm not sure why, because it's hard and it did well. Even when it was a huge success right away, you didn't take pride in that? No. You really didn't. I don't remember. You didn't allow yourself to. Yeah. Why is that?

Because it wasn't something you probably grew up with. Were your parents very supportive and all that? My parents were like, you know. They were proud of you. They're like, look what you've done. But you didn't see it. Right. And I mean, not right being stop.

I mean, right being like in some ways, like we were joking around earlier about like, Sometimes you need your back against the wall to get something done. Right. We were just joking about that. And maybe I just, that's my, that was my trigger back then. Yeah. And I'm a little better at that now. Like sometimes I have those, I don't know if you have them or you might have them,

but every once in a while you get those nightmares where you're on a set where you don't, you're not prepared. You don't have the lines, but everybody else is. And it's amazing how you can create this whole thing in a dream. doesn't exist that doesn't exist like there's a script and there's lines and i don't write you write i don't know if you write or not but like it's a whole thing and they're like no we're doing this scene today and you're looking at it and you're like oh my god and it's taken me till about last year where in those moments in my dreams i'll be like nah this is a dream there's no way this would happen i know now there's no way i would not know right what's happening

so you were putting pressure on yourself your dreams are translating into that and i also think do you think maybe that you were so young and so like good looking guy hit show young all this stuff do you think there's part of it like i want to play the part of a movie star i want to be more ambiguous i want to be like i want people to perceive me as maybe this and you were maybe thinking what you were doing would create that and and ultimately you you didn't like it i felt and still feel like I was there to do the work and that's it yeah and I really didn't want to be bothered other than that yeah and sometimes I may have come off as like not you know the most I don't hopefully I was polite but I wasn't a jerk you're always but I was there for like we're doing the work today

that's all I want I told me well you're a great leader in that regard because you always just you're let's go let's do it we got it we got to make this day we got it we know and part of it was you're working every hour some people were just coming in doing a scene and leaving it's like let's go i know you're having fun because you're here for four hours i'm here for 16 let's go and that can get you know it can you talk to a lot of guys like a mel and um it's it's it's never easy it's never as easy as being a lead is so exciting and like the the uh the person from the perspective of like an audience the fans are like you know you're the star you're all these things it's so much but there's so much pressure there's so

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And whenever I felt like there was something I wanted to do that I couldn't do, I'd put it down on this piece of paper. And I kept it in my trailer. And then I would look at that during the golf season. And you'd be surprised how many of those things I really didn't feel like doing. But it was a way of me going, when I don't have the, when I'm not on the show and I do have the time, I need to be doing these things. Otherwise, you're just sitting around. Yeah, sudden Terry. We talk about that on the podcast a lot. It's like so many people do it. And it's easy to get caught up and like, I'm just going to watch a show. I'm going to eat. I'm going to not leave the house. I'm going to just hang out. It's comfort zone. And it's so unhealthy. It's,

it's not it's not just unhealthy people think well what's i'm not you're sitting around yeah your body is not moving right it's bad for your heart it's bad for your digestion it's bad for you know you you have muscle mass and things like that and i'm i i've done that and i'm trying to get out of that and it really you get depressed the longer you don't do things well i also think that's why people stay busy that i understand that now yeah there is a reason that you just keep keep moving so that you don't have to stop and think yeah there's that but um you know my wife talks about like being passionate like what what's passionate like what do you what do you want to do and there's a lot of things sometimes that you do in your life that maybe you're not passionate about what you do

to keep yourself moving so that you don't have to really look at something so I don't know um but I do I do feel like on the show I was just like next next next next next next now the podcast now you're able to turn it around and kind of I feel like I'm absorbing it it more. Yeah, I could tell you're having fun, which is good. I mean, I just follow your guys as lead most of the time. Ryan, do you sense like he has fun doing it? Yeah. I wouldn't do it by myself. No. Well, no. Uh, no. Uh, it looks like you're having fun. I think, um, as far as like your memory of the show goes, it's kind of interesting. Like, when we get towards the end of a season, you definitely go blank. Yeah. And you mentioned it's because like you're like, you're so

tired filming that thing. And like, yeah, we're trying to remember the finale like of the last season. You're like, I got nothing. Nothing. You're just nothing. Yeah. And you don't try to act like you remember things. You're just like, no, I don't. And I feel the same way.

No. I can't. I'm trying to put three things together real quick that I enjoyed the podcast because when I watch it, I remember things that I like, which then makes me remember more things I like, which is what I want to share because I didn't get to share when I was on the show. Right. And so when I say I don't remember, that's not a happy feeling for me. I'm like, how did I do this?

And I don't remember anything about it. Well, 200 plus episodes. I mean, I just don't want to do the poor me thing, but it's literally, it's a marathon and it's survival mode half the time. And you can't be creative in survival. And you can't be in creative mode and survival mode at the same time, which is, I've brought this up before. But a lot of times it was just survival. Did you think that if you look back, where there any turning points or moments where you're like I can't fucking do this even though you did that wasn't an option you're just like there's no

option there's no option of me saying no the only option would be like jeopardize your entire career and quit it was it just that never it didn't even occur to me it was we just did an episode recently where it reoccurred to me that I that I had a fever in the church scene and all that's enough we just talked about that I still thought I would go to work like it's just not a no in my mind there's no like I don't feel like it yeah it's just not did you did you get past in the beginning where you had nerves and every day you're kind of nervous and getting on getting used to it did you get to a point pretty quickly that you're like I'm going to set it's work I'm not nervous yeah just doing this there's no time for that

there's no time for that you just had no time no time on like um lucifer to be a little nervous because you weren't in every scene right you had time a new show now I have to time, too much time to think. No, Lucifer was funny because I would, I would show up as the four-hour guy on the day with, you know, how's everybody doing? I'm buying coffee today. Nobody's like, shut the fuck up. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because like, you're there to do that thing. And that was the first time I've ever had that experience. Yeah. But yeah, I just, it was never a, there was never a morning where it was like, yeah, I don't think I'm going to go. it's just yeah you can there's just it's not like you can i understood my responsibilities

that's good that's good did you uh i feel like you're closer we've talked about this but i feel like you're closer with your family now now that the show is over especially now that you're kids there's a completely different yeah appreciation maybe for them i think so i think again you talk about time or bandwidth i mean i remember when my parents came to visit and after two days of being on set which as you know visiting sets is not fun not fun they were like, they were going to be there for like, I don't know, I'm guessing two weeks. And they're like, so we're going to go because we're not seeing you. Like they're seeing me for like a five minute, two minutes.

Well, I think they did understand. They understood that visiting me on the set was not visiting me. No. And they ended up going to Vancouver Island and then did some other things. They did some fun things. And I was, I think they made a good choice. Did you feel bad at all? No.

You didn't have time. Maybe that's the t-shirt. I didn't have time. I didn't have time to think. I didn't have time to be sick. I didn't have time to feel. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like we're grateful and we do these things. But, you know, when you sign on to do a show, I've said it before, it's like, hey, this is five or six, 10 years of your life. And you're going to be just working. And you're not going to have time for your friends. And life is, as we know, the older you get, when you're younger, you don't realize it. You ignore it. Every time you hear life short. please remember that it goes by so fast you're like what are you talking about it's a cochella it's

taken forever to do everything yeah it's like what i have all the time in the world and it doesn't hit you to you're about 40 and then you start to go oh my gosh how is this year over yeah how is this and things just keep moving your kids are growing and all this stuff and so it's it's it's a sacrifice everything's a sacrifice but like you know every dad out there a mom going to work every day for their kids as a sacrifice there's a there's a part of me in the conversation i had with my agent earlier today thinking about those the the two younger actors who just got their new jobs um and i was like of course they want new ones because they don't know any better and i mean that in the best sense like there's no way i would work the way i did then that now now no way you couldn't

i wouldn't like i wouldn't i just know that like i couldn't physically do it right i could not mentally and physically do it right now couldn't do it and i and listen to people listening like oh we've gotten to those places we can make those choices and all that other stuff but like because i i hate saying it's not fair because it's like it's a great opportunity and all these other things but like you know i'm sure with tyler even you know there's times when you're just like this isn't like healthy but maybe it's not supposed to be i don't know well i mean you push i mean people have dangerous jobs but i think that you know not sleeping and working 14 16 hours every day and like being on your feet and stressing and your back and your head and you ever i think it's a young

man's game like i think that you know very few people now first of all they don't do 22 episodes of a show anymore right secondly it's mostly not you know 50 plus year olds being the leads on these series unless yeah they're so established against the i s where they work like three days a week and they shoot all their stuff and they know how to do it they're getting paid millions and they get shot out in six hours and it's just like not brain surgery right some of these shows so i get it um now you got two kids you got the wife you live on a farm up north do you do you miss living in l.a at all do you miss not at all i lived in new york when i was younger as well and i and i loved it and i used to think that i would live there forever but i love visiting and

leaving. And L.A., I get more out of L.A. now that I don't live here. Like, when I come into town, I actually do so many things that I would waste months. Doing nothing. Sitting around. Yeah. So, no, I don't, I don't miss it. Well, you were talking before about, like, your wife, you know, said, you know, what are you passionate about? Yeah. I mean, you're obviously really passionate about your family. That's number one. It gives you purpose. Yeah. You have passion. But like, does acting does the entertainment industry does that still give you passion um do you still love being on sets do you still love the whole making movies i love it i'm i don't this is not a joke i feel like everything that's wrong with me works on a set structure uh it's just like i here now yes like

it all makes sense to me off a set i'm i'm i'm i feel like i'm a lot little spacey about like you know what's this and what's that what's value what's that but you know here's your role here's your lines here's your spot here's your time that that's all comforting it's like military it's like people go in the military because they that's what they need but i don't think it's an environment that's designed to allow you to be creative and i think it's a happy place it's a it's a happy there's no failure like what's a big deal right Whereas if you go out of line in the real life, you get in trouble. Yeah, like you're safe.

I feel safe on set, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Yeah. No, that makes sense. Uh, yeah, it's weird for me. I hate to be tied down. I hate to give too much of my time and take away from rest and my dogs and my, you know, life. So I like. But when you do, you do, you do.

When I do, I, I, you know, I enjoy it. I will, I will say this. And Ryan, please jump in or don't feel like you have to. But I was thinking about this yesterday. One of the things that I see when I'm with you a lot is I see a lot of people trying, in the best way, trying to like box you in so they could be funnier or better than you in a given social scenario, like backstage you to con or whatnot. Like, I see it all the time and I see it and it never works.

but I see them like, oh, Rose, oh, because you'll say something funny or do this and they'll try to like over it and you'll just navigate around it and this and you're really good at that because you've decided to be there. But I've also, I've never seen it actually, but I also think that if you didn't want to be there, you would not be there if you would not be engaging at all. And I think you and I get along with it as well. Like, I can be a little, um, probably possessive or dominating in that when I decide to do something. When you engage. I'm doing it. Right.

Like, that's it. And I think that's what probably got me through doing the show. But I didn't necessarily, now I realize I didn't necessarily, that's not, does it bring enjoyment? I think if you, you're going to do something, you have to do it for the right reasons. When you do it for money, it's, that's never the right reason. Or maybe money is the right reason. But at least you've made the choice. But I think in terms of having, like for me, it's an element of fun.

It's an element of creativity. It's an element of connection. It's all these things. And on top of it, when I put this all together on my head, could I do this? Could I achieve it? Could I get through it? Will I, am I doing anything to jeopardize my health or anything? So when I choose something to do, I'm like, I could do that.

I can make it good. be successful I can handle it so that's when we talk about 22 episodes a year I'm like I'm not going to set myself up for disaster it just wouldn't work for me but if it's something like the streamers now eight episodes six episodes 10 episodes this a supporting role a nice role whatever I'm game but it has to be you know that has to be just on my terms I otherwise I'll drive myself crazy but I think that's where I think that's where we overlap I mean I've said this before I don't know if it was on this podcast or their ones where, you know, in some ways, people are frequencies and they overlap and that's why they get along, okay?

I think you and I on the show, we'd look at each other and be like, this is all fucked, but let's do it. Let's do it. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think, you know, you moving into your new space too, well, I'm not putting words in your mouth, but it's the unknown, but your choice to accept is the biggest leap, I think. and I think that that's very important.

You have to, it has to be. You have to want to do it. You have to want to do it for whatever reason it is. And accept it. Then anything that happens after that, you're, you can operate. If otherwise you're like, oh, I'm doing this as a favor. We joked about something earlier, but I mean, that, but then that's actually funny. I won't talk about it.

But you were talking about somebody just asked you do something as a favor. The next thing you said was like, yeah, well, motherfucker. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I think the accountability of a decision is important. Yeah. If you say yes, you have to know what it comes with. Like, for instance, Ryan just taking over the job of Talkville in season seven coming up.

So he's got a lot of work on his hands. Now, he didn't think about it at all. I said, you want to do it? He goes, yes. Now he's thinking about it. No, but like Ryan, like most of the time, you know, when somebody asked me to do something. Oh, he had this innate confidence. He was like, yeah, I wanted, like, that excited him.

He wanted to do it. There's an, there's immediately he answered because there was, that was excitement. And it answered a lot of questions for him, didn't it? In your, in your mind that you were thinking that you needed. Yeah. It's, because I feel like for whatever, yeah, for whatever reason on that day when you called me, it was an immediate, yes. Like, where for most things I would waffle for weeks.

And, but there was something just, it. you you like I think we spent a lot of time like waiting for that moment where you're just like where you want to know an answer and for whatever reason in that moment like I knew the answer like it was just in there I didn't ask it to come it was it was it was there I didn't ask it to be there but it was just there it was like an honest truth and did it did it fill in the blanks for a lot of worries that you have or thoughts that you had yeah I think also if you're gonna talk to someone about their future on the day before their birthday I think that's got a lot to do with it because he had caught me on the day before and so I was like yeah definitely in a moment of

like, well, shit, what's next? I'm not doing this podcast, but like, what, what for? And then, like, you called me. I'm like, oh, I guess that for. Like, like, a little, like, some more responsibility and, like, having to, like, work my brain in, like, a new, uh, more, like, like, to do, like a better exercise, like, because, like, with the other work I was doing, like, it, um, like challenging yourself. Yeah, I want to do it as a challenge.

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Yeah, weirdly. Watch, I'm going to be Ryan. Ask me if I want to be the producer on TalkFel. This was Ryan. Hey, Ryan. It was a FaceTime. FaceTime. You could look at me, Tom.

He did the phone thing. Ryan, thanks for finally answering my call. Would you like to be the producer for Talkville? Yeah. Yeah. That's on. All right. Talk to later.

I was just like. I'll talk to you later. Yeah, I was just surprised me because I got up the phone with Bryce. We're talking about the podcast. And I go, maybe we should just quit. That's the first thing I thought I'm a defeatist. I thought, I can't do this without Bryce. I just can't do it.

I mean, Ryan's not going to want to do it. And he's like, I ask him. I go, yeah, all right. I'll call you right back. Ryan, you want to do it? Yeah. Did you talk to Bryce first? No.

No. He had no idea. It was coming in. What do you think is changing gears here? What do you think in terms of a successful? relationship. What ingredient? What is it? I know it's a lot of things. If you had to narrow it down to what really makes a relationship, what do you think, or for you? Like, what is it that's important, the most important? I hope my wife sees this. I honestly believe deep done in our

souls, my wife and I both want the relationship to work. And we both want our partnership as parents to work. Like, there's been things that have happened, but it really comes down to like, but we're doing this. You know what I mean? Yeah. No matter how hard it gets, we want to do this. There's no going that way. It's, you know, a lot of times you're just not paying attention to what's important.

I know. And sometimes you don't know what that is. And trying to learn from it, like a lot of times you'll be told, don't do that again. Okay, that's clear. Yeah. But it also sometimes you might feel like you're not getting what you want, but it's not as clear as asking for it. Yeah. But if you think in terms of life comes from you, not at you, you know, you got to navigate and communicate.

I mean, people say communication, but like, what does that mean, too? Which is so ironic, you know. But I think at the end of the day, like, it's, it's, it's, we're doing this together is the core. Yeah. In my small time, small existence of relationships. I think what I find What I think is important in a relationship, no, because I'm in a relationship now,

but I think it's not just thinking of doing something kind or doing something that is nice because we all think about it and then we're like, I'm tired of all. I'll do it the next time I think about it. It's just doing it right then, doing those little things, those little go and give her a hug

go and do something fun it's just Jack, you're hearing this? No, quiet. No, but it's like the little things. It's sometimes we take things for granted. We were like, all right, this is great. I'm doing a great job.

She's doing a great job. We're doing great. Like I don't need to do anything. But instead of getting me in your comfort zone, sometimes do something that wasn't expected. even if it's kind of a pain in the ass or if like you really don't want to do it do it do it and pretend you love it thank you michael for this yeah i didn't want to do this but there you go no but that's the thing you don't say that no you do it and go how about that yeah nothing i

just i love you and uh you know didn't want to do it but uh i did it for you so you're hungry something like that what are you talking about now you're talking about what list you're taking notes over here rico suave i think i asked you this casanova i think no but it's look obviously i don't have it i'll figure it listening listening is important and the here's the reality though women should know that guys aren't great listeners and we try as long as there's an effort and you're really trying to listen but sometimes we we just were distracted i okay I'm so glad you brought this up. I was just reading about this of the day.

So one of the things that has helped me listen is understanding that I don't need to talk. And I'm not saying that what I say doesn't matter. This is that. Listening. You don't need to comment. It's not, it's, it's, it's, you're listening. Like you're just listening and you're, give the other person space to say what they're saying. before you chime in.

And maybe you don't have... That's difficult in the beginning. And maybe you don't have to chime in. Yeah. Maybe you just simply listen. Yeah. And we do it for work. This is what I kind of said.

Listening is the most important thing. I think listening we're getting somewhere. Listening is the most important thing there is. But simply listening without feeling you need to respond. Even if you're right. Doesn't what's right. Doesn't matter. Like that's another thing.

Not getting to be right. Not getting to say I'm right. not getting to feel like but just listening that's an ego thing just kind of go it's all ego all right what's right hey you do it to me all the time yeah you hear me out all the time yeah you probably know better than i do in a lot of times but you'll just be you know it's it is it is the ego that wants to respond because we want to feel like we're fixing or charge or we feel less than and we're like going what the fuck yeah i i'm but simply listen and sometimes you have to say you're listening I'm listening.

Yeah. Because sometimes they'll ask you, they'll go, why, no, I'm just listening. Right. Because sometimes, okay, now you're being a dick. You're listening because you're not. You think that's, there's something going on there.

Now you're listening, but you don't, you're just pretending you're listening. Because you're not responding. Right, because you don't care. Right. It's a fucking listening.

You're not listener. How are my listeners right there right now? Everyone listening. You know, we've talked about this, but like in terms of like reboots and shit all the shitty you know reboots and stuff and some are good i guess but do you think it's too far-fetched that alan miles will ever say let's do a uh you know a one episode thing or a movie or something like that i mean and it just doesn't seem like our show's the type of show that would that

would have i'm smiling and saying it probably never will never happen but like i love the idea but i'm also laughing at the point like you're you're one of the few people i'm listening who Oh, we'll be the first like I will start telling you a joke like I'll be like I'll save a joke for you and I'll go to tell you and you'll stop me halfway and you're like no no it's not funny and you'll tell me the joke that I was going to tell you better than I would back so does that mean he was actually I think he was listening hard like you were listening intently yeah but you just don't want to listen anymore well no I don't hear any more well you know what it is of most people in the world you get what i'm going for listen everybody out there listen because i think that most people that are telling stories and explaining things they either a over explain them b don't explain them the right way c are just don't know when to stop explaining right my dog no i'm not saying it's you but i think people live with people that are like that and so i'm one to always say hey you know that could have been shorter.

Fast forward your story. You know, let's learn to learn as I did as a, you know, as a comedian from my comedian friends when I would go on they're like, too long. Cut it off.

I mean, you gotta be to the point. You got store intro and get, you know. But that, listen, that is, sorry. That's a bit of an eye. I don't mean to say listen. But it's a bit of an art. It is an art in certain circumstances where like,

You and I can talk like that all day. Yeah, yeah. But when you're in a romantic, loving relationship where it becomes tough to just be like, all right, what's this really about? Well, I don't do that. But I will say, I'll say this. I'll listen. I go, oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

And I go, you know, I love that story. That was amazing. But it could have been a lot shorter. I really enjoyed it. But next time you tell it to somebody, just cut it in half. Cut it in half. But that person doesn't know what half to cut. But they know I'm kind of joking, but I'm kind of not.

But not. You know, if you could have any other job, what would it be? We talked about, I think you were going to be a fireman or something. I think I would be a firefighter. You'd be a good firefighter. I think you'd be a really good firefighter. You know, and I think that probably comes from the fact that my grandfather was a firefighter, and we went to the firehouses and all the guys were really cool.

And what I love about firefighters is they're only there to help you. Altruists. Yeah. They're just, they're not coming to get you. They're coming to get you out of a bad situation. See, that is, that is truly, I always say it. I'm the most fulfilled when I help people. I'm the most fulfilled when I do some, an act of kindness.

But I don't care if there's a camera on me or people know about it. Right. I just want to, it makes me feel good when I've done something to help someone else and nobody knows about it, except maybe that person. well because then it's only from you yeah it's real yeah you know i talked about before mart messier rangers captain who you know one of the stanley cup with the rangers he said the true heroes are those who are doing those good deeds when the camera's not rolling yeah because everybody you could see everybody oh look tom cruz and i'm not saying he's a great guy and he's very charitable but a lot of

people they'll have cameras on they're like oh look i'm talking to a kid who's sick oh what a nice guy the camera's rolling yeah what are you doing well you're doing it for the camera and you're doing doing it for you right well doing it for the kid it's it's not it's when we do our small old night stuff it's why we don't do phones i mean it's it's it's it is that simple i don't know because it's for the fans it's we're all here together right now it's for the fans yeah i agree with that with mx platinum Access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime.

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of the entertainment industry? It's definitely shifted. And people talk about how difficult it is right now. and it's a lot smaller um nbc's just NBC just canceled seven um seven shows and replacing them with NBA games like there's just less things that are being made and I know like there's ups and downs even me because I'm a huge fan as you are of of media like we travel a lot we watch things in our iPads and stuff and it's like there's times when there's like oh it feels like there's so much out there that I can't even keep up.

And then there's moments where like, there is nothing. Yeah. And then I'm like, what are you watching? Or you're like, what are you watching? Because, like, we've got to find something new. It, I don't want to, I don't use the word shift. I use shit. Shrunk.

Yeah, it has. It's lost a thousand jobs in the last six months just from executives being fired. I don't know what the solve is. I know that it's more competitive. I think they should start filming more in Los Angeles, bring movies back to Los Angeles. And, uh, I think they, they need to do that. There was like something that they're doing, some fund and I, I mean, I hope so. I think the glamour of Hollywood no longer, no longer exist in that nothing's being made that's glamorous. You know what, though? I also get

upset like, I love Simon Baker. I think he's a genius actor. I'd love to work with him. I love to Nora. He's brilliant, blah, blah, blah. But he said something about the, at the Oscars or something where he's like, you have to do it in this industry. You grab, grab your iPhone and you go film with your friends and I go and you know that John Flaveros yeah it doesn't work like that it does it just doesn't work like it's yeah that to me it's so hard Lee if you want to make a little fun movie for your family to watch it Christmas but to like really shoot a movie on an iPhone and the sound and to look good and to get it sold and look if you're just doing it because you're passionate you just want to make it great but if you're like

wanting to be i just don't see a lot of those movies being made right people trying to do it like this is i'm trying to make a movie right now and the lowest budget we could get is to a million for this movie 840 000 and we're trying to cut the budget but we need all these things to make it right like where's where's the director who now has a film because he shot something on his iPhone yeah should i paint myself to look like a monster well actually john baker that was really yeah Like that was his first movie was on an iPhone The whole movie There you go

Yeah but like also I mean I don't know where he got like What was like a tangerine I didn't see that I didn't see either but I just know that's what it was I think that he had a crew But I think he was speaking to like the like If you love making movies like

Yeah like just like make it Just go make it And then worry about the distribution stuff And like all that stuff later Well the thing is you're gonna make a movie though You gotta give it the best opportunity to be good to be quality so i just think unless you know most people don't really know how to shoot on an

iphone you know the phone's gonna the focus is gonna go out the fucking i mean battery's dead you need a vision and you need a skill set too like that's the thing you need a skill set go you should have said go to ucla and then shoot a movie on an iphone i went to western kentucky university you know i i made a film i've directed i i you know but i don't want to shoot a movie on an iPhone. I just maybe Ryan's right. Maybe it's about, well, I think the takeaway is if you want to be creative, be creative in the way you can based on the limitations of what might be around you and that will give you something to show somebody else so they can see something. Like imagine trying to. I guess so. Like imagine trying to get a role as an actor without a headshot. What he's

saying is go film your headshot. Yeah. I just think that it's, I think people shoot for the stars and they, you know, if you want to make a film, you're like, how do I make this the right way? How do I make it look like it's on film? How do I make it the sound great? How do I, the, the, all the costumes, this thing. It's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, hey, everybody could do it if we want to make, you know, but it's a rarity to really go shoot a movie on an eye, unless you are an experienced filmmaker. I'm reading this book right now about this very creative filmmaker from Germany who went to Los Angeles and found some success but not a lot. And when he was coming back, World War II started happening. And he got stuck in Germany.

And I think it was Hitler came and said, he knew who he was. And he's like, listen, you know, Los Angeles treated you this way. and, yeah, you were lackluster and this, all these other things. But here, if you make the films we want you to make for us, meaning the Nazis, you can have full creative rights. Now, what he was given is full creative rights within a box. And the takeaway from the book is you have to be creative within the box that you're in. And I don't know if any of that lines up, but going back to what you were saying,

that guy said, he said, just go. Like, don't stop yourself. Maybe I misinterpreted because, you know, I just, yeah, maybe. I don't think he was saying go film on iPhones. I think he was saying, go be creative. I think so. I think, but you could be creative and you could do all those things. But, um, I mean, you're very creative with who you do.

You're very, I mean, you two do a lot more than I do in that sense. Look, I could do a lot more. I'm sure if I went, but I, I think in my head, I want to do it a certain way and it has to be this way. And I don't think it's possible to shoot my movie the way he was sort of saying, hey, just go make it it's it just isn't that easy well even to make maybe some films maybe if it's about a guy who works in a grocery store and the whole thing takes place in a grocery store and you can shoot it on an iPhone great but you know you'd have to cater towards a story like that well the there was that

the caprio claire dain's thing that they did for Romeo and juliet where they went and they shot for a couple days as like a sizzle reel in order to get the movie made but somebody put money up and i don't know how they filmed it there were no iPhones back then so I don't know. We still had small cameras. Yeah. No, I think it's, look. I mean, that's how I learned in school.

It was like, we only had like mini TVs and like we just, we, we had like a little sketch comedy group on campus and that's how we did it. And then also like even within the film classes themselves, like they were so small. We weren't UCLA or anything. So like we had to do everything. So we had like a three person crew. So like we had to learn how to get good sound and how to get like a good shot. Like we all had to know how to do a little bit of everything.

The good point. That is, you respect all those jobs, too. But you know what? It's a good point because, you know, for instance, the guys from it's, I know, it's all sunny in Philadelphia. Yep. They shot it on video and they shot this pilot. And I remember, it's funny because I remember I was good friends with Rob McElhaney

and came over and showed it to me and I looked at it. I was like, hey, cool. I don't think anybody's going to buy this. I really thought that. I watched it and I go, wow, it just kind of looks really cheap. But now it was one of the biggest shows ever. So I was, it's not that I was wrong. I said, yeah, this is great, you know, good job.

And that was there, like, sizzle reel? Was there a pilot for the, uh, for, always sunny Philadelphia? And I was so proud and happy for them and still are. But I, you know, I think that it's the, take that first step. The chances are, um, you know, you shooting a movie on low quality or iPhone is, it's just very, your odds go way down as opposed to really shooting a, a movie on, you know what I mean? So, but I get it. um shit talking with tom welling these are the top tiers i got some questions neko p what's it like balancing work and family life for you because you're always on the road doing stuff your wife doesn't care

sorry was that a question she just doesn't care what the hell tom that was such a question and and then an answer no but how do you balance it um i will say that early on even before kids uh jessica and i had a conversation about sort of like what my job was and how it works and how it operates and she's on board she's part of all the decisions and what did you make of the aeroverse and were you happy that it span off from smallville it's spun off from smallville sorry that's his question here's all i know about the averse is that i did one scene with erika in what's called the a reverse i don't know what the air verse is i never watched it i never followed it we know a mel um i love all those guys because like we've we've all had similar circumstances of

But you didn't have to deal with that. No, we went, we went to the Kent farm and we used the, I think it was the Batwoman crew who may have been the Arrow crew. But you loved it. You had fun. I mean, kind of. They didn't know where to put the cameras and I had to kind of help them. I was kind of like, oh, maybe this is a good shot over here.

And I was like, oh, my God, this is crazy. Because they'd never been there before. Wow. And I was like trying not to like, I think a younger version of me would have been like, what the fuck but the slightly more mature version of me was like i have an idea right maybe we used to shoot a lot over year but i was familiar with the area yeah uh 99 more what's your favorite go karaoke song i don't think i have one probably living on a prayer it's so funny you say you say that no uh what's the no no no no there's one that comes in mind i sing it to

my wife when we were dating um keep on loving you no it was a white snake song is this love here i go again on my own here i go again on my oh right this we have this really great video where she's like here take my phone video me and there was this we went in this parking garage and they had a fan blowing from the ground and and she started singing the song that we were just you know having fun and she waited for me to sing the chorus and i just waited an extra minute or two or extra second or two and then i just dropped it like loud as hell she love it and we yeah we both laughed so i would say that one uh jessica b what lies do you most often tell yourself which ones um probably that i'm probably that i'm doing more than i actually am i mean that's yeah i don't do that i usually go

god you're lazy as fuck i'm like god you can do more than that well I always feel tired. But that's part of it too. But I just think in those moments where I feel like you really, like those, I don't know what you call it, but there's quiet moments where you feel like you have clarity. It's like, yeah, you kind of just not do it as what. And then you're hard on yourself. Yeah. And then you feel bad.

Yeah. Susie Q. What's the weirdest thing or spot that you've ever signed? I signed a breast once. Um, congratulations. Mm-hmm. Thank you. It's this, can you sign my wrist?

Can you sign my arm? Can you sign my, can you sign my, can you sign my, can you sign my skin so I can tattoo it? That's, yeah. And then I get really nervous that I'm going to mess up my signature that I just. Yeah, I do that too. I write it like 10 times. Yeah, it's like, it's so. And I try to talk them out of it.

Right. Get somebody like Gandhi on your arm. Not me. Uh, Linda M. Describe your perfect day. Hopefully a good night. sleep a nice morning with my family maybe some golf and then just uh maybe fishing and then playing some basketball how about a nap in between that oh yeah there's naps in there yeah there's

got to be a couple of naps yeah um and slip and i'm a big slip and slide fan i love slipping slides i've broken my ass so many times lian what is the one thing you absolutely can't live without oh yeah my family that would just nothing would make sense no and i'm not even trying to make it a nice answer no i know you know i i didn't used to feel that way but now that i have a family everything just you know that's that's the tent pole you know what i think gets you through these days ag1 yeah our age you one man we take it every day get your ag1 on um we do um this this has been awesome dude it's see i told you it was just a conversation you know we don't have it all figured out and we're trying to we're all trying to navigate i think that's the thing it's like you know

you know i think the the most important thing is um live and learn and like you know weed out the people that don't bring you joy and happiness and don't bring anything to the table and when i say to the table i don't mean it's like they have to bring a lot but uh you know someone brings a sense of humor someone brings some creativity someone brings uh who's generous in one way it's like these little things that i try to surround myself of people that are you know giving and thoughtful and fun and just don't you don't you can be yourself around and uh yeah that that helps clarify what kind of what you said earlier about you know doing the little things in a relationship and whatnot because you just made them actually be bigger things but they're

little things you can do to fortify relationships. That's for sure. Yeah. And just, you know, being there. And again, like, it's a, it's a weird thing. And I'm not challenging you or anyone to do this. But there's times when you're just in a normal conversation and just try to catch yourself and be like, simply listen. And you'll be surprised. Your body relaxes. Can you close your eyes while you're listening? I don't recommend it. Check it out. You're You're talking to your wife and you're like this. No, I'm listening. I'm just resting my eyes.

Okay. I got you. Thank you. I don't need this. Let me know how that goes. I don't think so. I'm not going to try it. Oh, funny.

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