Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Tom Welling Returns

Episode Date: June 19, 2019

In the final installment of Smallville week, Tom Welling returns to the podcast to get inside of me. Tom discusses his thoughts on why I’m still single, my Smallville audition where Kristin mouthed the lines I forgot, and how shocked we both were to hear about Allison Mack. Tom asks me why I’m such a control freak, we discuss getting naked together in the sauna at the tennis club, and then we call my mother to talk about how handsome Tom looks on Lucifer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Insidey with Michael Rosenbaum. It is Smallville Week, the last episode of Smallville Week. If you haven't heard Kristen Crook or the creators of Smallville or John Glover who played Lionel Luther, my father, you need to go back and listen to those. It would be a nice four episodes in a row. We're going to top it off with The Man of the Hour, the number one on the Call Street, barely above me. I love this guy. We've done conventions. We're doing more conventions.

We've come closer after the show, actually, even though we were buddy. but after not being on top of each other for seven years, we become closer. And he's been on the show. This is his second time. And he's so open. He tries to interview me, which is fun. We tell a lot of fun stories,

and I think you're going to enjoy this one. Let's get inside of Tom Welling. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. We're going to be inside each other today. You had a demand.

You said, you know what? I'm going to ask you questions. And I was like, I'm all up for it. Well, my first question is, how do you feel about that? I'm a little uncomfortable. Hey, there's me. Yeah, you're on there. You're probably right up there next to me.

Next to you. Yeah, we're next to each other. By the way, we've gotten really close over the, you know, we know each of a long time. but we've been doing these conventions. Yeah. Which are kind of fun because the fans, I always say it's like a vacation for fans, but we're literally going.

I mean, we, we don't, where do we just go? Where were we? It was memorable, wasn't it? No, Kansas City. We're going, look at this. Should I say the dates where we're going so people could come?

Why not? I mean, I can do that. All right, so Australia, June 19th, will be in Sydney and Perth. July 6th, Montreal, August 16th, Boston, August 22nd, Toronto. I'll be in Burning Man at,

no, wait, I should have said that one. You're going to burning man. I think I'm going to get a burning man. I'm going to get my burn on with some friends. You know, it's not me, but when you go, it's a, it's surprisingly a different experience. Have you been? I've never been.

I went once and it, it was life changing. What did you wear? You know, you just wear the scarf to block the dust and stuff because there's a, I mean, a lot of silty dust. And, uh, you know, we had a shitter in the RV in Harlan. I went with Harlem. You know, Harlan, hey, buddy. You know, dumb and dumber. And he got really, sorry.

Oh, Harlan's not the shitter. You had a bathroom. I thought you were calling Harlan a shit. Okay. Well, he has a shit or two. But I didn't know this, but he's like, hey, bud, I had a time of my life with you. But next time you're getting your own RV, I'm like, what did I do? Well, you kept the door open every time you took a shit.

You were shitting up the place, you know, and I was like, why don't you just tell me? He's like, well, I don't want to destroy your time. I'm like, well, it makes no sense. But anyway, so I don't know, it's, it is life-changing. I can't picture you a burning man. Really? Yeah. You think I'd just freak out.

Yeah, I think I just freak. Yeah, yeah. You're kind of like, you just. go with things? No, I'm the opposite. I go with things when you're around, usually. It's easier. That's why these conventions are so much fun. That's why you get the end of them. Because you're kind of like, we've talked about that. You're, you know, you're a shy guy. You're like, I mean, you're just a family dude. I'm not as all that interested in like me. What do you say? Well, that's why we're here to talk about you. Oh, great. By the way,

it's Smallville Week folks and Tom is the final guest for Smallville Week for wrapping it up with him. But I was your first to be on this show. Yeah, you were. You were my very first. Right. And you're my, could be my last. No one listens.

I'm hoping, you know, we get more listeners and guys, make sure you subscribe. Come on. You know, I got welling here. We got a lot of great people. Tom, you know what I love is

that you're always at convention going, dude, listen to his podcast. It's actually good. And buy it, get the t-shirt. You wore a t-shirt. You wore a t-shirt. Do you said a t-shirt I wore? Yeah.

Some guy made a t-shirt of just your faces. And there's just all these handsome Tom faces. It's like tattoos, like body tattoos. You should wear that. You should wear that to Burning Man. I will. I actually will wear that to Burning Man. Maybe, yeah, I will.

So go ahead. I know you want to say some things. Well, there's a question that I have. Do you think there will ever be room in your life for like a significant other hand? Oh, shit. Do you hear that, Rob? Because this is something that we talk about a lot. I get along with you quite well.

I think you're a beautiful, wonderful person. You have a big generous heart. I think that, you know, there's somebody out there for you. just wondering why it hasn't happened yet you know maybe that's something i should ask you why hasn't it happened for me what's wrong with me well remember i'm interviewing you so we're just going to keep going back okay got it okay so my you know my answer would be you know i've learned to live on my own for so long and i have so many friends i'm kind of like the organizer of sports and things and in my whole life i've been doing things for other people right always helping you know

my mom needs this my friends and i'm just there i have barbecues i have fun but you know and it's kind of exhausting with work and that and so it's like the most important thing is like you know finding someone right well you do have a sense of family you have a big family around you so but i need someone that will always be there because at the end of the day it's like sometimes i'll invite people hey guys want to see a movie tonight and i was no no Alex and i are going to a movie okay you think that's cool hey what about you and tom denine oh yeah we got some work to do i'm like oh man these couples man they always do it's tough i'm tough you invite me last I'm like, hey, you want to just want to do something?

I'll be asleep by 8 o'clock. Yeah. So I don't want to find someone just because I get bored. I want to find someone who will be there. Yeah. I really do. Like I went on this date last night. It was a girl that I used to date.

And we just had dinner because she just went through a breakup. So it wasn't a date. It was kind of like a, what do you call it? Get together. I got together. We had dinner. We just kissed. It was no big deal.

I haven't had sex since like the end of last year. Well, this will air in June. So hopefully I've had sex by that. really shitty but what i'm saying is i think i'm really hard on myself and i'm hard on you know the people i date like i want i look at imperfections like if i see red flags like my mother i'm like oh my god she's like my mother no anything that look i love my mother i don't like her but i love her but i just when i see little traits like you know i don't like drinking a lot when someone's a big drinker and can't control themselves that that's a big

red flag for me you know but then i realize everybody's drinking So it's like, what are my choices? I'm like, a date of none? You know, and then I realize you have to be attracted to the person. You have to just want to, like, I could see your, your attraction with Jess. It's just like, it's a good thing. You guys are in love. You like each other and you also love each other.

It's fun. You hopefully bring something good to each other's lives. I mean, one of the things I think you've gone so long without anyone. You're learning more and more about what you do like. That's true. That is true. That is true. That's one way to look at it.

But I'm 46. I'll be 47 in a month. And is it sad? 47 by June. No, July's my birthday. Thanks for looking. This weekend, he's like, I feel 87. You couldn't even look on Wikipedia, huh?

Rob. I didn't realize he did the math. We've been working together for a couple years now and you didn't even know how old it was. When's my birthday? He just had your birthday. I did not. Yeah, you did. It was like, shut your mouth.

Hang on, I got this. It was within the last year. No. January. You're about as far away from. and when my actual birthday is as you can get. August. Nope.

September. Nope. October. Nope. February. No. March, April, May, June. There, you got it.

June? Yeah. I thought we just missed your birthday. God, I fucked that up. You missed Calvin's birthday. That was January. That was Calvin's in January. See, that's where I messed it up.

We're not going to cut that part. Give me some credit. No, he's going to keep that. Yeah. I'm just going to loop this. Yeah. This is the podcast with Rob. You know, it is small of a week.

We had Alan Maas. We had Kristen. I wasn't with Al Miles. I met this collad. It was great. It was great. They were really humble and sweet and fun. I think they were, you know, they thought they were going to be boring.

In fact, I think Rob here thought they'd be boring. It's like, they're creators, the writers. How much fun, but they were very open and honest. Didn't you enjoy them, Rob? I did. They're very creative guys. They're both very smart guys. They really are smart.

Yeah. They were always cool. Yeah, they always loved you. You know, we've talked about some of us, so it definitely gets old. That's what we do. We go to conventions and we talk for cute, you days. We want it to be fresh and, you know, love. lively and we're starting to do these other things these uh smallville nights these intimate readings

and stuff yeah that's right yeah excited for that yeah yeah that's uh it's fun hold up i want to jump back real quick i have one story about my um owl that i love because we worked with those guys for a long time and as you're working with people things come up but it's not personal and we had issues on set you and i both like we shot in an in an old warehouse but it wasn't warehouse it was like a meat locker so it was either extremely hot and warm or it was freezing cold and usually it was extremely hot and I was you always get hot right I was always yeah like if you don't see me from the ways down I'm probably wearing shorts and sandals and sandals and then you were in the suit with the bald cap and everything anyway it had gotten so much that I sent on an email to the producer I'm like

you guys listen it's it's not only about my comfort personally but literally it's taking up time on set because we have to stop and we have to redo all this time sweating powder that's exactly what I would hear yeah so I get this email back from al and Superman doesn't sweat It says, why the fuck am I getting this actor bullshit emailed to me? What the fuck is going on up there? He sent it to you. Solve that shit. He sent it back to everybody.

And then James Marshall called. He came on a set. And he goes, hey, can I talk to you for a second? I'm like, yeah. He's like, so, um, how are you doing? And I'm like, I'm, I'm doing it right. He goes, did you, uh, do you see that email? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I did.

He goes, what are you going to do? And I go, nothing. I thought it was a great reply. I think Al's right. that was perfect I was like I think we should solve this I think Al said the right thing we don't get offended when people say actor bullshit or actor needs this or no as long as you get it done we don't care Michael needs a bigger trailer the fucking asshole needs a bigger trailer do I get a bigger trailer yeah okay I'm a fucking asshole I need a place to do my things small well yeah

that's what Harlan said you know I remember one you know it's not I guess it's an ego thing but I remember like season whatever I walk on set and you have like this giant trailer it just wraps 18 wheeler I go I look at mine I go is that my contract

I thought I get with Tom Gantz is that not right it's like uh no okay well my I need something

bigger than this though I need to I need to be able to yeah I need to be able to at least do five lunges across the trailer you measure out

five lunges no they were very good you know the one thing about studios and things look it's like this all the time they always say they have no money

we have no money we can't give you money what we're the most successful show in the wb i know but all other shows are failing like so what's the way i should suffer because you made shitty choices doing birds of prey no no no i didn't mean that i didn't mean that it wasn't a good show but you've also been on the other side of this and again this is a question for you yeah you talked about when you shot your movie and your experience when you decided listen we're going to save the money we're going to put all the money on the screen no matter what we're going to find the cheapest hotel room, the most economical. Didn't do that.

We're all going to stay in the same place, and then what happened? But it was a mistake. I said, look, if we're not paying the actors much money, I'm going to get, that's not true. They all shared the females had a girl trailer and the guys had a guy trailer. But they all had a nice hotel and I gave him a truck for the week. So we treated him really nicely because I feel like. But the noise that you had in your room and the decisions you had to make to spend more money.

Oh, yeah. Do you remember that story? Yeah. When I was doing my movie, the first night, you know, I said, I'm going to stay at the Marriott residence in in evansville or whatever it was called i forgot i'm gonna stay with everybody else we knew a friend yes and he got us thirty nine dollars of night and i'm like i'm gonna fucking do this i'm gonna do it for the team i'm gonna save money all this money's gonna go to catering and then night one i close my eyes and i hear give me another beer the walls are fucking paper thin it's

harland you can hear someone oh dude you can hear it was fucking awful i literally woke up the next morning I go out. I'm out. And I go, hey, Kim, to the producer. You hadn't unpacked. I hadn't unpacked. I moved to another hotel the next day. And it was $100 extra each day for 35, 40 days.

So it was $4,000. But I did. It was, it saved me. What do you look at me like that, Rob? Nothing. And you, but you made the rest of the cast stay at that hotel? No, the cast stayed at the good hotel. They stayed at the good hotel.

I was just going to take one for the team at the shitty hotel. The rest of the cast stayed at the good hotel. don't make a look at a dick rob don't try to do that did you ever watch smallville rob uh no have you seen one episode out of the 200 episodes that aired

not an entire not one fucking we're working together and you don't know anything about me it's good though it's a blanchee I haven't seen an episode of parenthood either of dax's show oh way to promote dax's show in the show it was a huge show what was it about

it was the it was a story about Lex Luthor and how it was a story of I have this really skewed very much. Clark Kent growing up in a small town before he becomes Superman. Oh, that's so small bill. And Lex Lewis before he becomes evil and their friends in the small town. Yeah. No wonder when Alan Miles were going to come on the show, you must have been like, I don't know if this is going to be any good because you had no idea who they were.

You know what's funny is? He's such a cocky dick, Rob. He goes, he goes, you know, he goes, oh, I don't know they did all that other stuff like Shanghai Knights and the Badlands. He was like, oh, okay, this is cool like you know you need credits to be cool no you know i haven't done like a big movie in a while am i not cool now am i suddenly not like the in crowd i don't know you tell me yeah i feel that way um you love small though right yes yes the further way the further way we get from it the more i appreciate it if that makes any sense it's the it's really the gift that keeps on giving how many people can like do what we do we go to conventions and like all this shit and it's still fresh. And as much as we thought the bad

parts were bad at the time, the bad parts kind of don't stick with you. It's like taking a layover in a flight. You don't really remember being stuck in Chicago for four hours. You just remember that you got to Florida. You know what I mean? Like you don't remember the other stuff. So if that makes any sense, I just, it's yeah, I think, and I get more proud

of it. I think it still holds up. It's still pretty. I mean, I'll watch it every week. Does your fiance Jess watch it? That's a good question. Has she ever seen in a small? I know. I don't think she was aware of. Was she born? No, how old is she? That's another good question.

19? I think she's, yeah. I think so my... By the way, you got a new baby boy. Yeah. Come on, dude. Thompson. Thompson.

Thompson. Where does Thompson? Is there another Thompson in your family, right? No, it literally means Tom's son. It's not true. Is it really? Yeah, but that's that why we did it. But why did you do it?

We did it because it sounded good. And I didn't like, you know, my dad is Thomas. I'm not a junior. Thomas, Thomas, Thomas, not Tommy, but Thompson. Thompson. That's a cool name. It's a last name and a first name. Yeah.

It's Thompson. It's Thompson. Welling. Thompson what? Thompson Wild. Thompson. So you know when he's like 13, he's just going to be wild. His name is going to be, by the way, Thompson Wild.

Yeah. And it becomes an actor. Do you want him to become an actor? I don't know about that. But I do know this. At a certain point, he will go, when he gets in trouble and I go to punish him, he will go, my name's wild. What did you expect?

Like, literally, that's going to come back. Your name is wild, you prick. Exactly. Don't you. Call me a prick. Will you introduce him to Smallville when he gets old enough? Yeah, I'm curious as of what he's going to think about all that. Because, you know...

How old do you think he will be when you start, maybe eight, ten? I don't know. Everybody else I know who has... Who's been on TV or had some relative success, famous, whatever, none of their kids care. Like, if you've ever asked anybody, do your kids watch your stuff? Like, Tom Hanks literally like two weeks ago is like... But I think this will be different. They don't care.

But I think it's different. When you know, it's a young kid watching Forrest Gump, he doesn't give shit when it's a young kid watching apollo 13 he really doesn't give a shit when it's a young kid watching big a young Superman though Colin hanks likes forest gump he was on the set actually during the making the forest comp we were just talking about the remake last night yeah i said why don't they do a sequel that would have made a lot of money it's like uh you know the little forest when he's his name little forest he's like still forest my daddy always told me actually my grandma told my daddy who told me actually life's like a box of chocolates you never know if your good buddy rob

who's your producer's going to watch your goddamn show i wouldn't ruin it i wouldn't ruin yourself i think it's just stay stay uh blank yeah yeah stay blank but uh open slate is another way to say hey how do you do about like you know because like i know dachs and a lot of celebrities like with their children, they don't want them to be on Instagram. So I see, like, you mark out his face and things, but I know one of your friends fucked up, right? Yeah, that we, we, we, we tried, I mean, we didn't try. We told everybody, like, please don't, just, I don't know.

Don't post the kid. I'm not good at any way. Like, you're much better at posting Instagram than I am. I just, I don't know. Yeah. And not one, but two friends just kind of did it. And the, you know, fans followed on it instantly. And then it was like, whatever.

But I think he'll look different in five. years so maybe it won't look different in five months yeah i'm just not trying to like promote him as a yeah yeah yeah i think is is what it is yeah not to say that other people who do it it's not a bad thing do you think you'll have more i'd like to yeah you gotta move fast huh well yeah i mean i'll probably have a couple before you yeah that's the yeah go back to what we're talking about you know maybe i should just find a good friend who i'm attracted to and just say hey i'm gonna impregnate you well i wouldn't start with that But that's a good start, a good friend who's really alive. I don't mean like, this is what's going to happen.

To find someone you really like who you respect to your attracted to, that's a good start. That's the thing. I have some girlfriends, but, you know, they're, I don't know, man. They're like my buddies and they're getting older. You know, I have a friend that I'm just like, look, if I turn 50 and I don't have a kid, let's make a deal. How old is she? She's probably 40 right now. Right now?

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you're talking about a specific person. I thought you were talking in the future. When you're 50, you're going to find someone. No, but like, for me right now, I'm looking for someone that's 30 plus. There's a... Well, it just depends on the maturity level.

And if they're, like, they know what they're doing, they have a job. What do you mean by no, sexually? No, that's... I don't even know what the fuck I'm doing that. No, I mean, I'm okay. You know what? I'm like, I'm like a... Do you giggle?

You know, I'm like, uh... I don't giggle. I'm like... I'm like... got him got him folks so moving on i'm like a bruce uh uh what's his name from the reds played for the reds played for the mats j bruce

j bruce will get up there he'll strike out he'll get like an occasional single but when he hits a fucking home run it's a he fucking launches that thing you're like whoa i hope he's listening i'm like i can be either great and bad or lousy do you know when you're not good oh yeah i'll say it. I'm like, man, that was, sorry about that. Yeah, I just compliments to you, a little quick there. Sorry. You know, it happens. I don't know why I talk to my doctor. I'm like, sometimes I, you know, I'll go a little fast. He goes, well, I'll keep going. Eventually, and he's right. You're going to eventually be like, yeah, you know, anyway, um. Well, what do you, I mean, what are you

going to do? I know we were talking yesterday like, you know, the house and whatnot. You're going to like, find another place to live? Like, where do you see yourself? I don't know. I don't know. like this house and you know i'm almost it's almost paid for and i've got like you see all these toys and things around and jerseys and it's kind of like you couldn't trust anyone to move all this stuff that probably that's another thing like who would you trust to touch that's true it's just all your toys house i've had so many memories here it's like why get you know my thing is like as long as i can maintain a good living and pay for my bills pay my bills you know help my mom my mom's My mom out when I can.

Pay your mom's bill. Jesus, crimony. I don't need to be George Clooney rich. I don't need to have a house to say, I, you know, when I was younger, I was like, I want to get big and famous and I want. And the more I think about it, I was like, you know what? When do I retire? Let's say I retired at 6665. As long as I could, like, live a comfortable life and do the things that I want to do.

It's also more important for you to help other people, I think, then. Yeah, I'm not more. I don't see you in a 10 bedroom house with eight cars and then have no one come over to visit you. No. I don't think you'd like that. I mean, look, if I am. if I had endless money like Brookheimer money

I would buy an estate that had like a go cart track I'd have a football field a softball field a little ice rink so we could play hockey and have little lockers

from my friends that's kind of like the things I would do but like you know for this it'd be like Rosentown Rosentown I like that but you know honestly

I feel about like this podcast man I'm like going hey I want to make money eventually on this podcast so you know Rob has a family he's got a kid he's young it's like hey he has a birthday

I want to, you know, I want it to be successful not only for me, but really for Rob, too. I want Rob to make some money out of this. And we really enjoy it. Like, we enjoy each other. I think that's what's fun about doing this podcast. Well, being an intern, eventually you're going to make a little bit of money. He's a producer. I can move out of my parents' house.

You can move out of Rosemobb's basement. You know, people got really upset in the podcast. They're like, why are you so mean to Rob last episode? What happened? With Joe Coy? Yeah, you guys are pretty rude. No, we weren't. We were totally loving and playing with you.

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that's right she had a test with you you had already gotten the bar she had gotten the part oh she had She was already a guy that had comes through her. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. It was me and Jensenackles. You think that, like, they think, we got to get our Clark Kent first, then our girl and then Lex, or Lex.

See, we should have asked Al Miles about this because they would have had a little. They did talk about that. They did talk about that. Yep. They did. They did. They just knew Kristen was the one. And when we were in this large group of, I don't know, maybe 20 people in a, in a conference

room, her back was to all those people. And it gets to the point where it's my line. I forget what the line was, I'm just standing. Aaron at her because I don't know my line. And she mouthed and whispered the beginning of the line to me, which of course triggered to me to remember the line. I said the line. You really didn't remember it. I just blanked. I was like, you were nervous. I was nervous. I'd never done this before. And then we did the scene. And then afterwards, I remember Peter Roth. Peter Roth said, when you took that moment and you stared at her. And I was like, in my head, I'm like, yeah, blankly. Like you mean that moment? I couldn't remember. my line he's like no and i'm like yeah christin told me the line he goes isn't she the best and i said yeah but that that's a lot of trust that you have with someone i mean we just met and she she could have let me hang out to drive were you were did you feel that moment did you feel like you're getting red-faced like oh my god oh my god how many people are there i think i was so blank

that you didn't like yeah i don't have a tendency to see the other people in the room like what's a story of my life by the way blank just blank did we're so do you get nervous um i will get nervous if I know that I'm actually not prepared. Like if I trick myself into thinking I'm ready, but I hadn't put in the work, it can get bad. Do you get embarrassed? Um, I think I can get embarrassed for probably not doing my job. But other than that, what I, what we like to do and what we did on small, it was always create that the set was a safe environment to fail. Meaning, you could make a mistake for the, for the purpose of the scene to be better. And you were okay. Yeah. But that's also why we didn't always allow a lot of people.

on set if you know what I mean who weren't part of the crew because it's all taken out of context and then you can't do your jokes and yeah screw around it was very comfortable and I think that was like that helped it be so successful because we on set were just we had each other's backs like if you had a

tough scene I was there I was like I was going to get you the best performance you were going to get my best performance but that's also scary when you're so comfortable when you're doing that and you have that sort of rapport with people and that atmosphere going to the next job or they're like different actors worked at you go to next like you would did Lucifer and you're like all of a sudden you know they're not like going

hey blah blah blah do this do this right you're just doing your shit you're on your own kid yeah you're on your own because on smallville it's how does Tom work you know what I mean and how do we get that to work because he's here all the time you go to lucifer there's tom Ellis I was asking other people how does Tom Ellis like to work because I'm a guest right and I'm here to kind to do my thing and whatnot because they run a pretty good ship too like you would you would enjoy being around them and and that crew it's the same sense of trust right and you taught me that I remember years ago you being like, hey, man, better you make me, the better I'll make you. I was like, that makes sense to me.

Like, let's keep doing that. That's true. Yeah. If you got a set and you're like not getting along with people and nobody has your back and no one cares, it's got to be weird. I don't know. Maybe I'm sure there's actors that do who go in there and they're like, we don't like that guy. There's a lot of actors you hear about it.

And they just do their shit and they don't give a fuck what anybody thinks. They're there to look good and be good and they don't care about anybody. And there's tons of circumstances where the production will put up with that because of what they're getting in the finished product and they work around it. I mean, it's a malleable thing how they film and how they get performances because it's all edited anyway. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think the trust factor is a big thing.

I remember going back, I think it was one of the first episodes I directed. You directed six? I think I did six. I think I did seven. But Rob would know. Yeah, Rob. I think it was seven. I don't know he did seven. He knows all about it. Yeah, because I only did one and being an actor

in every, you're in every scene and directing it. I loved it. Are you tired? I mean, I felt less tired doing that than I did, I think, just acting. It was just because there's always something fun and cool. But I remember we were doing a scene and I gave you a note and you looked at me and you were like, that's a good note, man. It's a good note. I'm going to take it.

Thank you. And I was like, thanks. And that made me feel better. You go, that's a good note. That's a good note. Okay. Yeah. I think I'm going to do that.

I think I'm going to do that. I know I know fans always asked us that when we're at conventions are like, do you guys think you'll be in a crossover? Do you think that this? And we could sit here behind the scenes and go, dude, I don't want to do that. Well, I signed on the six episodes of Arrow for next year. Oh, yeah, that's right. He's kidding. Everybody for a second was listening to go, wait, what?

You should put that in the thing, Rob, in the description. And did he sign on for Arrow? Well, yeah, because, by the way, Arrow just got canceled. Yeah, I love Stephen. Stephen's awesome. He listens to the podcast all the time. He lives right around the corner. So do you.

I have all these people. I have Clark Kent, fucking the Arrow. Yeah. They live around the neighborhood. but if somebody came up to you and it was the right thing do you think like look obviously if they said hey we want you to be in the universe we want you to play the new Batman

you do that in a second right I do I like the character of Batman I think that I think there's some room to grow there and darkness yeah it's different you know I don't know I don't know if I'm to the point yet where I want to start playing somebody's father on another show yet you know what I mean because that's usually what happens

is someone 20 years later comes back to television John Schneider perfect example by the way So glad he was there He was a great father Right father But I you know Shep What's his name?

The Flash Yeah there go He's uh He's he comes back And they found an interesting way To bring those people back Yeah That's what it is

I mean Yeah I mean like at this point It's like You're too old to play Clark I would think so I'm not too old to play Lex That's the thing No

You're not But Clark It is a boy Yeah It becomes a man It becomes Superman Right So you'd have to become Superman

If they want If they said hey we're gonna we want you to be Superman we want you to be Superman the next fucking move if I wait long enough it'll be like we want you to be Jorrell no way you're still young you can still do it how old are the kids you were playing Superman 30s 30s and you're 40

41 41 I think yeah you don't even know well I mean at this point don't you have any questions you want to ask me about Lex well yeah I have got a lot the Lex characters are I mean I know so much about what not only our characters went through, but your way into it how Lex obviously wasn't the bad guy and never was. Neither was Lionel. That was one of the things that we always did

is, you know, the bad guy never plays the bad guy. Fights, yeah, it goes against the grain. But one thing that I think we didn't do, I think we did a good job showing that Clark moved on to become super many's out there in the imagination of the of the fans can sort of fill that in. But I don't think we ever did a good job of sort of letting people know where Lex was headed other than he was just sort of leaving the library at that at that moment well you know there's like a little flash at the end i think of the finale where it shows me in a white suit like it's

something like you know it's like he in the future he is going to become the president which inevitably everybody knows in the comic books and everything so yeah there wasn't a lot and look there wasn't a lot of time to do it because two weeks before the show end did i go hey i'm gonna you guys got me next friday for the whole day yeah let's do a ball cap let's do it yeah you decided and you always fuck with being the the the the commentator the host or whatever the last, you know, and he was like, you know, why'd you leave? You know, you left. I'm like, people always say, I'm like, no.

Leaving is when you quit something before you're supposed to finish your job. Like if I, if like Rob says, I'm going to do this podcast, we never said Rob's here for three years. But if we said three years and Rob worked four, he didn't quit, he actually did another year. He moved on. And then he moved on. And then he moved on, but he actually did another year. So.

Well, Kristen, same thing. I mean, it wasn't written that she was going to have kryptonite, you know, skin. Yeah. Christian decided to move on to do something else. Yeah. Which that's what happens in this business. And it doesn't matter. You know, I hate.

I fucking hate. And you don't really see it until you're sort of a part of it. And I mean, I haven't had anything like written up. You know, I'm always doing stuff. We're always doing stuff. But people could easily overlook that and go, what happened after Smallville? Where did they go? What happened to his career?

It's like, who, who, what? They're just creating content because they have to write something. Oh, yeah. What happened to that guy? It's like, that guy's, finding real happiness and doing whatever the fuck he wants and probably has more money than the guy writing

this article. So go fuck off. It's just like, look at these people. It's like, what happened to her? I'm like, what happened to her? She did something. And now she's do whatever the fuck she wants. The problem is you respond to those people and then they go, so you're angry. And it's like, no, I'm not angry.

You go, actually, I have a podcast. I'm doing another podcast. I wrote a script and now you're like described and now you're like kind of like what's the word you're kind of like uh defending yourself i these are not hard words i i had just like you know i feel like you're christic and the and i'm trying to i'm blank i can't i can't do it i can't do it well how did it i haven't heard the podcast yet uh it was great she's very open she's very fun chrisin and i have kept in touch and we always did even after small though she'd say i'm coming out to

oh hey you want to grab dinner And, you know, people are always like, why don't you ever date Kristen Kruk? And I'm like, she had no interest in me. She was so young and I was older, you know, and then, how old is she now? She's probably like 35. It's like a like an Asian country Milakunas thing. Yeah. But, you know, Kristen and I were just always a good friend.

She was always cool. And, you know, in the beginning, she's 36. But no, no, what I'm saying is that Kristen and I, in the beginning, she was young and she was like, who's this weirdo? And I'm just like, he's goofy and he's all over the place. I felt the same way. Yeah, yeah. And then after about a few years, when we had to do some real big scenes together

and an episode of Lex, and we just became friends. We just like, hey. And then it was great. Yeah, she's a great person. Yeah, she's great. I mean, she was always, like I said, prepared in a good mood, ready to be there.

And I think people want more from her. They want to know more about her. Like, why doesn't she entertain people more? Why doesn't she tell funny jokes? Because she's a real person, and that's her personality. She likes reading. She likes...

intellectual things, sophistication. She likes that's who she is. She likes to do her work and go home and whatever. And that's great. Sounds like a good fit for you. Oh my God, she'd kill me. I'm like, I'm not reading this book. What are you reading?

You know, I'd be one of those guys. Why are you reading? She's like, because I don't want to act like an idiot like you. I don't want to be. I can just see it. Michael, did you finish that book? That's it. That's it.

I told you I need a year. Too many pages worth of pictures Michael was a magazine It was a synopsis of a book It's so hard My agent tries to get me to read the script I mean now it's been three months He's like

It's 28 pages And I get line now They don't send a summary I go I You know what's funny Is like Rob doesn't do a summary He makes just read it too I bring it with me

Every trip And I never read it You're that guy You're that actor sitting in first class Who opens up his script No I don't That's what I'm saying I don't read it

I don't read the fact But you carry it I do carry it I do carry it with me Because I'm going to read it I really am going to read it I could ask you this Because you know

We've not talked about it I talked about it I talked about it I talked about somebody I could talk to you Maybe you have nothing to say But like I think I could I could say it to you

Now some time is past You know there was a whole thing With the what's it called Nexium Nexium Thank you Rob Oh Yeah with that thing

And you know Fans are told When we do Q&As, they're like, don't say a thing about it. And we never talk about it. Well, I mean, it's easy for me. I didn't know anything about it. Yeah. So.

What did I? There you go. I was very surprised to read anything about it. It sounds very bizarre. Allison was always a nice person around me. Yeah, supposedly one of the girls is coming out. Now she pleaded guilty and she's going to tell all the truth, the whole big mess. So I don't know what's happening.

No. I don't really know. All I know is it's hard to, like I always say this. I say, if somebody said, hey, your brother killed someone like no it's just impossible right you don't know my brother right now alison and i were never really tight on the show like you and i were i didn't really know where she went off and did her own thing yeah but like if somebody said oh alison matt kills i would know that's impossible right i didn't and now you know things have added up so i'm kind of like uh you're sort

of in the middle where you're like you know hey oh my god i always have love for alison and but like did this really happen right that this really i mean what do you kind of like i don't know what to say me neither i don't i don't know what to say or what to other than it's funny to If it's true, it's a tragedy. It's also funny that people think we would know or that we would have some, like, really, like, perspective on it. Well, I always knew that, like, back in the day, like, you know, they were part of, like, you know, a self-help thing. I knew that they were part. But it wasn't even this.

This was something that happened later. But I knew that, you know, I remember one time, maybe it was Allison who asked me or something. And she was just like, hey, you know, you should try it coming out. I was like, no. I don't know. It's just not from me. Right. You know, I need a therapist, my own therapist.

to you know that was very uh benign and very you know not what i don't know anything about it i really don't know i really it's true we're talking about something we don't know but you know ultimately we both think it's a it's tragic what happened if that's what happened we're we're all figuring out what what the deal is but yeah but do you find that therapy is helpful for you i know um one of the podcasts that i listened to um with christin bell you guys were talking about therapy it was actually very enlightening she seems very well adjusted as a result you not so much but um she takes she does medication for depression and um anxiety which i commend her for um you know it's like whatever works for anybody you know i i take something like before i go to bed it's like a

slight little thing for anxiety that i take you know but i it's a low dose and i try to uh not overdo it or not well also i too relying on it there's a there's a thin line because there's like i don't want i've always been that control freak i'm like i don't want to be like i don't want to take pills because the pills will help me like i i don't want to take pills because the pills will help me like I want to do this myself. I want to be able to not take anything, not be dependent on anything. So that was very hard for me to digest.

Yeah. But going back into the relationship question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead, go ahead. The codependency, some of it, you know, bringing something to each other's life, that's not so bad. You know, dependency's okay a little bit

when it comes to relationships. What do you mean? Talk to me. When you were talking about, you don't want to be codependent or dependent on anything ever. Right. Well, going back to relationship.

Co-dependency isn't good for anybody at all. I don't think when two people have to need each other so much that like when you go on Relations, like when you go on trips like meet me in Kansas City or meet me in Montreal or whatever, you're still independent. You're like, I'm FaceTiming my wife, my fiancee. I want to see my kid. But you're not like, oh my God, I've seen my brother Adam one time. He doesn't, he won't listen to this.

But I remember he came out here, dude. He came out here and it was miserable because he. He was, like, having anxiety attacks, shaking. He couldn't be without his wife or family. Really? He is so, like, oh, yeah, it's obsessive. And it's not because he doesn't trust her. He just...

I don't know. He just can't be without her. He can't be without his kids. He doesn't have fun without them. He can't have fun by himself. He must be with them. Wow. It's fucked, man.

I'll never be that way. Look, I want to miss my wife or my girlfriend or nothing right now. My dogs right now. I miss my dogs. So maybe I'll miss someone... It's possible. I think it's Paul. Do you think honestly, Rob, look me straight in the eye. I mean, honestly, don't laugh. You're laughing. You're both laughing. Well, you're not Tom, but you are, Rob. Do you think I'll find someone?

I hope you'll find someone. I think you'll find someone. You're a catch. You're a great catch. Am I a catch? Yeah. I think you got to get out of your own way a little bit. But what does that mean? What is in my way? I think you have pretty high standards and you let high standards. Well, you over-analyze and let little things get in the way. Over-analyze. I wish you could see Tom adjusting himself. It's so bad. Are you glad we don't film these things anymore? Yeah, you can tell, by the way, I'm dressed like...

Well, you're very comfortable. Like a grandfather. I'm dressed like you. By the way, we are like old men in a way, because we go to the... I joined a tennis club up the street. We go swimming. We go in the jacuzzi. Sauna.

That's how we get... We both say it the same way. Sona. Like, Chris, they were walking. Ready? sauna you know sauna it's fun you go to the pool

Michael's naked I don't know why um so who did you get John Glover John Glover you love John I remember John came to a convention he was dancing I was playing guitar on stage he's dancing like a maniac

I mean it is fun you never want to do these conventions now you do my see you have fun you do you're like oh my God I'm having fun I'm entertaining people fans love it there's a new generation of smallville fans It's on Hulu now.

You're getting all these new fans. Your lines are huge as I knew they would be. People are like, it's crazy. And I knew it. How do his lines compare to your lines? His are bigger. Like twice as big, twice as big or like. I'd say like if my, if I had like, you know, like I might have signed like four or

500 autographs, you probably signed 700, 750. The point is, no, it's true. There's still a lot of fans. And I'm still like us. I'm still new at this. They like us together that we take. pictures with people it's uh we have a good time in fact we're thinking of ideas for doing a project together we've always like you know we do these things and i'm like you know the yin the yang

you know he's quiet and this but he's funny and then i'm an idiot going all over the place it's like there's got to be you know we have some ideas brewing so i think you know it's fun it's a it's an opportunity i think it'll be fun and the interaction with the fans is is fun it's an enjoyable experience i mean like nobody waits in line to say like hey i really hated watching you for 10 years nobody does that well you know somebody said to me the other i told you this somebody said somebody said to me he goes jean hatman is the best lex luther and i go all right great thank you i know that he goes well i'm just saying i'm like okay uh i agree with you and he paid

fifty dollars i i know to tell you this he just came up in line not to have an autograph not to have anything he goes sometimes like sometimes they called a meet and greet i think this is a different this must be like a meat and meat and shit on someone i was just all right great i agree jean hatman's the best like lex luther and he's like yeah yeah yeah i'm like is there anything else he's like uh no i mean it really was nothing thank you sir he just wanted to tell me that he thought and i was just like a lot of it is about their experience not our experience you know what i mean it is it is you know have you had any fans that are rude to you or say anything rude to you that you're just like come on no of anything it's been there's been

some really heartfelt things said about people losing their father or going through depression or contemplating suicide or soldiers in Iraq soldiers and Iraq people who would be like man this I was in a dark place and you know your show helped and that's like that just make you so like wow you never think like how could you have purpose but then when you do the show and you realize what impact it has and there's so many shows that do that yeah and that's going back earlier with I think I appreciate that more as time goes on where I think while you're shooting it there's I don't know it's not you don't appreciate you don't think about that as And now we have time to sort of talk to these people about their experiences.

Yeah. And also, you know what it is? A lot of weekends, unless you're doing a movie or TV show, you know, on a Saturday and Sunday, what are you going to do? You sit around the house. You go have lunch with your friends. And you do these conventions, but you do a couple of conventions at here. Michael, what are you doing here? I had nothing better to do, folks.

Nothing better. Just going to sit around. That's not what I'm saying. I even said, you know, the people. I could be at the sauna right now. I did it get, uh, we did, when we did this convention, remember I said this and it got a big applause, which I wasn't expecting, but I'm like, all I said was, you know, when we go, like, if I go on vacation, if I go to Cabo with my friends, that's my vacation, right? These conventions, they're their vacation. Fans go to these things because this is what they love.

This is what they do. So I find that to be, uh, humbling and just a new perspective. Well, and they're the only reason we even get to do any of this, even that you're, you're the only reason we even, you're, podcast. Nobody listened to your podcast. Like, you couldn't do it.

You'd probably still do it, to be honest. Yeah, yeah. But the point is, as much as we'd like to think it's even the studios or the production, it's, it's, if people don't watch it,

things don't exist. I always say that I try to in our, in our panels that like, they're the ones that move the meter on projects going forward or staying on or not. Yeah. You got to see what kind of fan base you have. And it's,

and fortunately, or fortunately, I don't know, but like your Instagram followers, how many people does you have? Is I am to be, I know there's a big, producer, actor, director,

he cast people based on their IMDB number. If you're not top 10, you're not in. He's not casting you. Yeah. It's so fuck. It's advertising outreach. I'm not going to say the person because I really like the person. It's just the way he does business. If I got out, I would

be, he would never fucking cast me in anything. Not that he's ever. He's never. Yeah, that's just true. Yeah, so what's the difference? He's never going to hire you. What's the difference? Maybe after this podcast, well, Hey, Michael, what do you do on this weekend?

I see that you have five more followers that want to hire you. Like, what's the number that you have to be to get his attention? A million? 500. I don't know. I only have a couple hundred thousand followers. I think that's actually a lot. I mean, it's not compared to these, the beavers.

It's not Tom Well, he's got a hundred million. Tom, you've got like 450,000 followers. Well, that's not, but not enough for this guy. No, but those YouTubers have 20 million. That's crazy. I'm talking numbers on IMDB pro, like your number, your star meter. Oh, you said social media follow that too, but star meter's bigger. Oh, for this guy?

Yeah, if you're like number like, yeah, if you're like number 20, is like, mm. How does, doesn't that work? That just means that you're popular, like, right now. Maybe. But if you hire somebody to do a movie right now, it doesn't come out for a year, that person might not be popular a year from now. I don't know. It seems like the same people are always up there, like, you know, Decaper is probably top 15 all

of the time. Well. but he's decaprio yeah yeah and he deserves it i mean he's good and everything well jean hatman's better decaprio's um i think he's working on something where he's gonna play lex luther decaprio is he is he no you fuck i was like oh my guy really was like wait what you know it's funny as um you don't guarantee i i just a text james gonna go dude i'm not asking you for anything but you're doing suicide squad it if i'm not playing lex luther that would be dope but he he he he He just goes...

He said you didn't have enough Instagram followers. Just sit tight. Just fuck off. I have a feeling that means that there's probably not going to be a Lex Luthorne and a suicide squad. No, Leonardo DiCaprio got casted. There you go.

For it. For suicide squad. It's right there. It's on the internet. It must be real. There's a picture of it. Let me see it. You're a fucking line.

Are you? Leonardo DiCaprio, Lex Luthorne. Is he really? Yeah. Is he really fighting? He's not a funny. Jesus. I mean, it's on the internet.

It must be true. Yeah. Doesn't that piss you off, though? They're like, oh, he was a great Lex Luthor or he was a great Clark Kent. So they were on TV so they can't be great in film? I don't understand that either. It's just stupid. Especially when the fans are like going, are you, listen to the fans every once in a while.

Just every once in a while listen to him. Do you think it would hurt D.C. if they cast me who played it for seven, or 10 or whatever you want to say years I'm just not blowing smoke but they've done these polls of the better Lex Luthorth. And I'm just saying do you think it would hurt D.C.? Do you think they'd go

from a hundred million weekend? Oh, it's Rosenbaum instead of spending. So you know what? It's going to be $5 million. Do you think that it's all of a sudden going to ruin the franchise for a Lex Luthor that has worked to them played? Am I upset about this? Please comment and subscribe. Let's start a poll.

I don't think you want to see. I don't think you want to see this. Why? What is it? I don't think you want to. The 15 best actors who should have played Lex Luthor. Joaquin Phoenix. Michael Fastbender. Brian Cranston would be great. Bradley Cooper.

Michael C. Hall. The best. Yeah. These guys are great. But they didn't play it. So we don't know. It's a moot point. They didn't play it for seven years. Oscar. You guys hearing me out there. You know, it is funny because obviously I'm looking at Carrie Fisher. chair right here in that chair her star wars right and at at some point al miles were like well it might

be a good idea to have princess lea on smallville yeah you know what i mean and so that works that way i mean she was i think she goes she became bigger than just that anyway but somehow it does help the stunt casting one way or another but it can work against you as well but those choices aren't up to us a lot of times like people ask you do you think i'm like well it's not up to me and i've No idea. My thought is this. My thought is this. What does it matter if you just give the guy an audition?

What does it matter? They say, Michael Rosenbaum, we're not going to cast you. But why don't you come in? We'd like to see it. Give it a shot. Why do you come in and just throw the Hail Mary? Yeah. And maybe, just maybe, we'll be blown away.

Yeah, but you know, here's what would suck about that. They video it. A bunch of producers watch it. Yeah. They bring it a bunch of other actors. They cast another actor, but they go, hey, we want you to watch this. Michael Rosenbaum performance because this is this is what we'd like you to do great and then but out of respect to me I I it's not that I'm pissed off about it but then when I thought about it

I was like you know cast whoever you want but I'm like wait a minute I love Jesse I worked with him he's a great actor he's great I'm just saying what in Zach Snyder just say let's just read Rosenbaum yeah why don't somebody at the fucking studio just go let's read him let's see what he's got do you get this mad every time they make a Superman movie I'm not mad See what you do, I'm saying is, I think anybody out there who's listening, who's listening is going to go, yeah, why not? So it's a great question. Yeah. You know, if a fan comes up and gives me their script and says, this is a masterpiece.

Did you ask Al Miles? Al Miles would have probably had something fun to say about that. I just, after we started talking, I started thinking about it. I was like, you know, everybody deserves an audition. If you played something and you played it well, according to fans, why wouldn't they bring you in? Hey, we brought him in. Yeah. He didn't get it.

Great. Thank you. I didn't get it. I'm very good at rejection. I've dealt with it my whole fucking life. Not only were you good at it, but you're also interested and you're passionate about it, as opposed to like some people played a character and they're like, hey, we're doing a movie version. Do you want to do the movie origin?

Sometimes people are like, no, I'd rather not. Thank you. Yeah. That happens too. Dude, who knows? Maybe one day they'll get their head out of their ass. They will. They'll get their head out of their ass.

I mean, I watch it. Yeah. Look, here's the reality. If I was doing anything, remotely close to what I think. you were capable of doing i'd say tom will you come in and at least read with the girl tom will you see if you have chemistry with somebody my friends i always want to hire my friends always even if i don't cast them i want to give them a chance well yeah i didn't try this age hemp no but i can see have you tried the on it's honest hemp dude mold well one thing adds up to another but that's why you

that's why you stay in such good shape i think do i well yeah you've always been even on smallville you were like got to be healthy man got to keep i don't think so you had the best body your your back was bad then yeah yeah yeah and i think you knew that you had to be healthy to protect yourself yeah you just got to be on top of shit yeah yeah yeah you don't have any aches and pains really you had a shoulder you got you had something you sent me to a doctor for yeah who'd released it it's got like a frozen shoulder that's because the only thing i do my left hand is pick things up and put him in my right hand like i just don't use my left shoulder enough apparently so he just sort of open it up but he obviously helped you as well.

But yeah, I get sore, especially if, like, working out or whatever. You know, the old, I'm to the, you know, you get off the plane and you're like, like, yeah, that's, that happened. Would you grow a big, yesterday morning? Oh, yeah. Would you grow a big fat beard, shave your head and gain 25 more pounds to play like a crazy role in a TV show? Fuck, yeah, that'd be hilarious.

You would? Oh, yeah. Especially the weight gaining part. It would be like a good... Tom, what are you doing? Oh, it's for a roll. Yeah, but she'd be a good, like, henchmen, man. I got, you know...

I'd like to play with us... Like some bad guy who just fucking looks like... Like a young. And I'd give you a crooked eye. Thank you. I'd give you a crooked eye and a scar, a big scar on your face. Like you... Brokeen.

Someone broken. Someone broken. Broken. It'd be great. Well, this has been fun, man. This is easy. You have any more questions or anything? No.

You really don't have anything to say? this concludes smallville week well it's hard for me to really come up with appropriate questions for you for this setting but i think we got some good stuff there come on rob you have to have some questions this is it what should i ask rob tom probably won't come on for another six months if yeah if that you live right around i'm i feel like every time i'm with you we could be doing this i know that's what i think too is like why didn't i say that why don't i answer that why don't I, is it possible you to post or do anything

without saying, hey guys. Yeah, I could do that. Hey guys, we got Tom here. Hey, guys. We got, right now, Rob is crossing his arms because he thinks I cross my arms a lot. I hate that. I don't mean to do it.

Who's been your favorite guest in the show? You don't cross your arms a lot? For the videos. For the videos. We're going to go do a video. Oh, but you know what that, you know, why? Why? Performance person, that's a defense mechanism.

You don't know what to do with your hands, but you don't want to put them in your pocket because people don't see your pocket. and so now you just look like you don't have arms and you don't want that. So you have a lot of things going on. That's true. Giving him too much credit for what he's thinking about at that time.

Thank you, Tom, for allowing me to be inside of you. Although I think you were inside of me. It sure felt like it. Yeah. Unfortunately. I think we, uh, you made me open up about stuff today that I normally don't open up about. What happens when you go to therapy and you're like, listen, I had this conversation

the other day and I may have raised my voice a little bit and you redo the conversation. What is, does the therapist just go, mm-hmm. No. Or do they go, how do you feel about that? Well, I get mad sometimes like my drummer. I lose my shit of my drummer every once in a while because he just knows how to push my buttons. And I like, I don't like ever lose my shit, but I lose my shit. But it's a slow thing. It's not just from zero to 100. It's like, dude, I've told you a million times. He doesn't know how to harmonize. Tom doesn't. So if he's stealing your harmonizing, your harmonies are what you're doing. He's not doing it deliberately. He's not stealing them.

And then he's like, dude, he doesn't know. What you, I mean, what the fuck? And I lose my fucking mind on him. And then he's like, dude, are you crazy? He drives me up a wall. So then I will talk to my therapist and I'll say, you know, I lost my mind. I lost my cool. And I explained him the story.

I go, this is exactly what happened. I want to tell you. And am I the bad guy or whatever? He goes, no, it sounds like he really fucking pissed you off. And he doesn't know when to shut up. And he's like pushes your buttons and he doesn't stop and he's passive aggressive. and you lost your shit. I go, but I don't like myself when I lose my shit

because it doesn't happen very much. He goes like, well, try to control your temper when that thing happens. But if it happens all the time, that's something to worry about. If it happens four times in 10 years, I wouldn't worry about it. Well, that's not so bad.

Hold on, I know that you guys are trying to get me on here, but that's not true. What, um, you told me a story. You were about to go that night to go record with your band. And, you know, you were telling me you guys are like, you know, you guys are more like a garage band. You kind of play and you feel it. out, but when you go to a studio, you were telling me that it's much more structured in the process

of recording. Yeah, yeah. And they sort of singled you out at one point, and they were asking you, what was it? Can you do that in a different melody? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't them. It was my producer, Rob. It was like, so I'm not a singer really by trade. I never took lessons and miraculously, like, you know, the album I think sounds really good. And I'm like, I would, look, I'd love to be an Adam Lambert. But I always figured, like, since I can't sing like Adam Lambert, since I can't sing like these guys, I shouldn't be in a van. But that's not true. Yeah, they're auto-tune.

Well, no. If you enjoy music, if you enjoy playing it, if you enjoy singing, you should just fucking do it for you. So we're in there, and I have this song right side of the canyon. And it was like, she moved out west with stars in her eyes. Didn't think she could ever lose. And he goes, I want you to go up on the line. I go, what?

She moved out west with stars in her eyes. Didn't think she could ever lose. and I go, but in my head I practiced it so much like so every second line was and I was like, I would look out the window, the petitions glass or whatever, and I'd see the guys just

go, no, no, just their face looked like, no. I mean, I was failing, thumbs down. How much of Lucifer have you watched? I watched a couple episodes. You were really good. Well, it was fun. No, but I did. I did watch it. I mean, you know what's funny? I swear to God, I can call my mom right now. Let's do it.

Let's do it. You watched it with you, Mom? He was so good. Tom is so good. Oh, that's good. Un solicited, dude. Hold on. He was nothing like the other character.

Watch. Oh, my gosh. He was good in this one. She's got such a New York Jew voice. Mom? Yeah. Tom Welling is with me right now. Remember when you called me?

Tell me what you thought about Lucifer. About Lucifer? Yeah, his show. What did I tell you? What do you mean? What did you tell me? He called me? me how you loved

Lucifer and how he was so good oh Lucifer the one about the devil yes oh yeah and Tom was really good too I'm Tom and the other guy's Tom I think she might be talking about Tom Allen no Tom welling who I'm with Tom welling from Smallville who was on it you kept calling me going

he's so good he was he was he was great Lucifer that's what I'm calling you about well I didn't I just got out of the dentist because I had no caps put in and I look magnificent Well that's great Mom

Well now you know How's Tom's baby? Well you ask him he's here Tom Can she hear me? Yeah Yeah She can hear you

The baby's great Very cute Like you Tom We a little bit like both But I think that's a good thing I think it's my nose Yeah all right mom Hey this has been a real treat

Maybe we'll do this all the time I'll call you later Bye Tom Bye. See ya. Bye. I mean, Jesus Christ. She used to call me all the time saying,

he's so good on that show. And then she's like, what the fuck? She can't remember anything. She just came for the dentist, had some laughing gas probably. She probably had some laughing gas. Well,

that's a perfect time to end the show with my voice from my mom answering. It's funny how your mom probably wouldn't answer, would you? It's not that she wouldn't. They're travel. They're running around all the time. Call your mom.

I think you talk to you. I want you to call your mom. to your parents more often? I talk to my mom probably once every couple of weeks and my dad every couple weeks. Really? A couple weeks, yeah. I don't think my mom would like it.

I called, she'd be like, she'd like, why'd you do that? Why'd you put me on the, in the moment or like that? She didn't listen to it. Right, right, right. No, she loves you. I think she does listen to it. You think? Yeah.

Yeah. I don't think she's like swearing. No, neither do. No. Neither like, so do you swear in front of them? I've made some mistakes. I remember as a kid getting yelled at for it. and then now with the baby in the house,

now I'm catching myself a little bit more. You caught me the other day. Oh, we were at the airport. I was like, hey, F-bomb guy. You're good for the first like year and a half, though. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. Okay.

Mr. Experience over here. Got one kid at 29. 30. Whatever. Look at that. Can't even get the age. Your birthday? Yeah, when's my birthday?

Can you even get the month? June. June what? Eighth. Nope. Hang on. Look, what are you thinking about when you're trying to think about? You ever, you know, when you try to think about something you don't know.

I'm either getting June 12th or June 26th. Neither. What is it? The 20th. Have you done the medium thing? Have you ever sat down with a medium? Have you ever done that? I have done that.

I cried my face off, too. She really got me. It was accurate. Tom, this has been great. This concludes Smallville Week. Thank you so much for listening. Hi, I'm Joe Sal C. Hi, host of the stacking Benjamins podcast. Today, we're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000. What would you do? Put it into a tax-advantaged retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do.

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