Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - TORI SPELLING: Sneaking Into 90210, Life After Divorce & Rebuilding Confidence

Episode Date: June 30, 2026

Tori Spelling (Beverly Hills 90210, Saved by the Bell) joins us this week for a warm, sarcastic, surprisingly vulnerable conversation about growing up as Aaron Spelling's daughter and the lifelong instinct to overcompensate to prove she belongs. Tori opens up about sneaking into the 90210 audition under an alias, being paid less than a guest star while being a series regular, the bittersweet timing of conceiving her oldest a month after her dad passed, and why Shannen Doherty's death cracked her open in a way nothing else had. We also get into co parenting after 18 years of marriage, dating with five kids, and her plan to build her own entertainment empire. Thank you to our sponsors: 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside Upwellness 👉 Hydrate your liver at the cellular level with LTV! If you’re tired, bloated, or feel like water isn’t working anymore, this could be the fix 🔥 Get UP TO 64% OFF FOR A LIMITED TIME: http://drinkltv.com/Inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou⁠⁠ 👕 Inside Of You Merch: ⁠⁠https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: ⁠⁠https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🤣 TikTok: ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast⁠⁠ 📘 Facebook: ⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🐦 Twitter: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod⁠⁠ 🌐 Website: ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Thanks for coming back and joining us. If you're here for Tori Spelling, you're not here for me. And you like the interview, then that's all I ask is you follow. And you start subscribing and it's free. There's tons of material and there's tons of stuff. Great interviews and all that stuff. Ryan, welcome.

Thank you. Yeah. We're still here. We're still here. As you know, I had my surgery and I'm back. I got the pick line here. I never thought I'd have a pick line. But here it is in my arm and feeding me antibiotics every day.

and I'm getting better. So knock on wood, baby. Knock on wood. Health is wealth. Health is wealth. Great podcast today with Tori Spelling. I hope you enjoy it. She was fantastic. I've known her. She was on Smallville a few episodes as well. And really a nice conversation with her. Very, you know, she doesn't hold back. No. No. And I love that. I love that when people just go speak their mind. You know, I'm not, this is who I am. This is me. This is what I'm about. This is what has happened in my life. nobody's perfect let's move on so much so yeah that you guys swapped seats yes did you notice that she liked the lighting i think over there it was a she like she said that your good side was on well lighting can't help me anyway but you know i'm glad it could you know help someone else that's

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And how much time do you have left? And how are you going to use it well? So come on now. We would have to do another inside of you. But actually, but that's kind of what you're doing, Michael. I mean, you're going on this road, this journey of what's inside of you. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. All right.

Did you just go ahead, Ryan, sit down. God's sakes. Ryan's my buddy. So I've never sat in this seat, but I'm sitting in for you. I'm so grateful. Yeah. Because we've known each other forever. And I felt comfortable saying this is my bad side.

Everybody has a bad side. Isn't that true? That they think is a bad side. Yeah, they think. I think I have bad sides. Really? I'm looking at you. You're super symmetrical.

Am I? Don't look at me. No, but I have a lot of, I have a lot of things. I've noticed that now that I'm getting older, I'll look in the mirror and I'll go, wow, that's happening now. Oh. Or this is happening. Like, you know, and my girlfriend's like, you can't stop it. Helen Hunt, I always say this, this actress, friend of mine, Helen Slater, was doing a movie.

And the director said, look at, look at, I want to show you some of the dailies. You look great. And she looked at it. And then she went back to Helen. She goes, I looked at the dailies. And I just felt like I looked, I looked, I don't know. I looked like I felt like I looked old or something. And Helen looked at her, Helen Hunt and said, sweetheart, we're dying.

We are. From the day you're born. Yeah. I mean, you can't. You just have to know that it's like everybody's aging. Everybody's like, but it's Hollywood, right? It's Hollywood. So it's different.

I refuse to. You refuse to get older. I don't even know how old you are. 52. Are you really? You're younger than me. I'm younger than you. Yeah.

Yeah, I would have said like 42. Well, I guess you didn't do your research. You didn't Google me? No. I didn't Google you either. You didn't Google me? No, I know you. I know.

Wait, you're 40 what? I'm 54 in July. I said you're younger than me and you said, yeah, I am. We're getting off on the wrong foot. Are we? No, never. We didn't meet on Smallville, did we? I think we did because you were like a big, big star and like, you know, untouchable.

And we got you as a guest star in Smallville season six or what was it, Ryan? Six or something? I don't know. But I got to say, I got to say I, okay. So you DM'd me. Yes. About doing the show. Yep.

And I got to say that at that point, you were like, remember me we worked on Smallville like a joke. But still, I was like, are you kidding me? Because I thought at this point, I was like, wait, I felt like we were friends. Like, how come I have not been asked to be on the show? You thought that? On the pod. Am I supposed to say pod? Whatever.

No, I always wanted you on the pot. Oh, my God. But I didn't have your number. I didn't have anything. So I finally just direct message you. And fans kept saying, like, are you going to be on Michael's pod? I'm like, I don't know. Fans were telling you this?

Yes. You go to cons? Yes. When's the last con you went? too. Oh boy. Brian and I do them together. Who? Brian Austin Green. Oh, Brian Austin Green. Yeah, he's great. He was on the pod. He was. And that's why you're like, well, you asked him before me. That's okay. But I didn't have your number. You had his number? Yes, because he came to a smallville con and he was again. Yeah, I don't know why. Maybe the next one. That would be great. Because he was only one. I don't know what. Yeah. He was only in one episode? Uh, maybe, maybe two. But you were in one episode, right? Two.

But what, why not me? Wait, what, what episode? You did one episode and then you must have done another episode when I was gone. See, it's coming together now. No, it's coming back. Yeah, because I left season seven. I got out of there. I got out.

How many seasons of Beverly Hills and I don't do? Ten seasons. Yeah. And I was in all, I don't know, 200 or whatever episodes except one, number, number episode number two, first season, because I had my nose done. Did you still get paid? I don't know. You don't remember.

No, I don't yet. Wait, you were gone. So I still have this vivid memory that you were the, you know, it's always hard to go onto somebody else's show. I don't care who you are. Like, it's scary. And I remember, like, my first show that I did was saved by the bell. You were Screech's girlfriend.

Yes. Violet. Yes. I love that. You were so cute, your nerdy glasses. So 14 before Beverly Hills 902 and it was really scary to walk on to that set. And it taught me a lot about guest stars who's welcoming and who's not. And it made me like Mario Lopez the nicest, like, am I too loud?

No. I'm really loud. You're not loud. He was so nice. But that set the example for me. and I followed his lead. And so everyone that came on to Beverly Hills 902 and O, I was always beyond welcoming. So when I went to Smallville, I was super nervous.

And you were that person. Really? You were the Mario Lopez. You were the Tori spelling, the Donna Martin. You, I still remember it. Like, it made me feel so comfortable. You went out of your way to be just kind and like. Well, you were cool.

You were really cool. But I also remember, like, all the previous guest stars. And it's not easy, like you said, to come on a set that's already established. And I mean, I can't even imagine Beverly Hills 902.10 when guest stars would come on and you guys are like the biggest show ever and they're coming on. Did you went out of your way to make them comfortable? Absolutely. Were there some people that didn't go out of their way? Correct.

Yeah. And especially being a female and, you know, there were other females that maybe didn't. So I just, you know, I wanted everyone to feel welcome. And it was their set and have lunch together and walk them around. That's beautiful. I remember you coming into makeup and like you like walk me around. Like if you want to see, you were just always so nice and checked in. And yeah.

Thank you. That makes me feel like I have kindness in me. So much so that I didn't even remember you weren't there the second time I came back. Yeah. It's like my God. Inside of You is brought to you by Shopify. It feels like I haven't talked about Shopify for a while. I know.

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You want to impress him. You want to do the good job. Yeah. Do you get nervous still acting? Do you get anxiety? Do you get, are you always trying to prove yourself? Because I recall, I might be wrong about this, but I read somewhere that Beverly Hills 902-1 was your first role or your first big role.

Yes. Were you nervous? Because, I mean, not only that, but, you know, your dad, obviously. produced, create, all this stuff, like a big, big man. I mean, head honcho. Didn't you feel like there's a lot of pressure? Like, I have to be great. I have to show up. I have to be 10 times better than I thought, you know, than I even imagine being. Every single, still to this day, I feel that in life. Like, I always have to be overly nice. I have to be, you know, I feel like I have to prove myself more. And I think it's still ingrained in me that, you know, I was Aaron Spilling's daughter.

It goes way back to that. Yeah. Like so, like, you know, feeling like I have to overcompensate to like try to prove that I should be here or I'm nice, you know. That sucks. That's a sucky feeling that. I think it's just innate, right? It's something that you just like whether, I mean, was your dad like that? Was he overbearing?

Was he? No. Like the kindest human. Like just do your best. Like, what did he say? to you. What's a conversation you remember him saying about this? I was like his right hand, man, no, no one says that anymore. What do they say? Right hand person. You were, you were like he always asked you for your advice. Yes. So from an early age, like casting. And I would watch, you know,

his dailies with him. No one says dailies anymore. But you know what I mean. Right, right. Yeah. So it was very like, he loved you. He confided in you. Yeah. 9-0-210. like I recommended Jason Bristley and Shannon Doherty and just from people that as a teen, I was like watching and was like a fan girl of. Wow. But we never talked about me in the role. How did that come about? I mean, you talked about it, but like in all your books.

Well, there's my version and then there's the real version. What's the real version? So I found the script in his briefcase. And it was called Class of Beverly Hills at the time. And I was like, oh, what's this? And I looked and I was like, oh my gosh, it's a, it's a teen drama. Wait, 16 year old. That's me, my age.

So I was scared to ask him. So I had my agent at the time. I called her and I was like, can you get me an audition? And I have to go in under an alias because I don't want them to know. Wow. So that whole story that I tell in my books because it's a good story. Yeah. You have three books.

Um, six, but you have six books? Yeah. Christ. Go ahead. Go ahead. But keep going. I like this. I don't have a farting book. So, you know, that's true, but I'll give you one of mine. Well, I have one. I know. You have one from that event. I squealed. I was so happy. Before I even knew it was you. You're like a fart book. I love farts. And it's a sound book. And they're my farts. They're really my farts. Wait, what? Yeah. So when I did it, I wanted them to be authentic. So when you press that button, you. you're hearing my ass. Anyway, back to your dad. So did you use the alias name? I don't know if she used. I'm sure she was like, okay, sweetheart.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did audition for it. My character didn't really exist. It was like friend number one. So I auditioned for Kelly Taylor, Jenny Garth played and didn't get it, but got friend number one who became Donna Martin. Really? But Donna Martin wasn't a regular at the time?

No. So yes, all of this happened because my dad was like cast my daughter. Of course. I mean, you never talked about it, but yes. But if you sucked, he wasn't going to cast you. You know what, that's true. And the character, you know, went on to become, I created that character, you know. At first it was just like, hey, Brenda, hey, you know.

And I think he was kind of fine, like, just as long as he get my kid in there. He was never like, give her a bigger part, like, do that. He was just like, yeah. Was he ever like, I'm really proud of you? I'm really proud of you and I love you and I'm so happy that you're doing this role and you've really turned it into something special. That's a great question. My instinct is to be like, yes, of course. But then if I'm recalling it, I'm like, I don't know.

He always was great with auditions. We would always go through my auditions when I was a kid and he would read it with me. And his thing was we'd go over and we practice it before I'd go for auditions. that his driver took me to. Like everyone else, you know, they're there with the momager and stuff. And, you know, I was like 12. And I was there with my family driver. It was really something.

But yeah, he would always rehearse with me the night before. And we'd go back and forth. He'd give me direction. And then when it got to a certain place, he would say he called me Toto. Toto. Not like the dog. The band? Not like the band.

Okay. I like the toilet. Isn't there a toilet? Toto? Yeah. Right. Yeah. So not, none of the other.

I don't know. No. No. I can't. It's hard. I think it's because when I was little, I couldn't say Tori. So I was like, To Toe. Toe.

Ew. Don't say it like that. Toe. That's so pretty. I couldn't say Jaws, like the Sharks. I said, George. Oh. Jaws was George.

Oh. But so anyway. So anyway, he'd be like, Toto. He's like, it's ploo perfect. He said ploo perfect. Blue perfect. P-L-U. What does that mean?

That's when it was like not just great. You took the direction. You nailed the scene. But it was awesome. Like, that's it. Yeah. Go in and deliver it that way. When did you hear Donna's going to become a regular?

I can't remember that part. And I remember everything. Because that's a big time. That's a big moment where they're like, you're going to be, was it season two? I feel like by the time we went to series. she was. By the time you went to series. Right, right. And your life completely changed. You couldn't walk on the streets, right? It's interesting because I feel like I didn't notice it. And perhaps it's the world I grew up in. Like I was so used to my dad and like all his, you know, his starlets,

starlets. I am really dating myself today. No, I like this. You're bringing back old Hollywood. This is good. So you weren't affected as much because you were, you had always been around it. You probably were around a lot of celebrities and stuff growing up, right? All the time. Like, who's the biggest celebrity that I hung out with? Oh, my gosh. I don't know. It depends on what you're into.

Like, who, I... The biggest TV stars, right? Yeah. Hervey Villages. I love Hervey Villages. Same. I know. I just want...

The prime, boss. The plan. I was good friends with him. Was he cool? He was so cool. I was young, so we were the same height. And I remember the fact. And yeah.

So to me, I didn't know anything. thing to me. I was like, oh my God, he's so cool to me. And, uh, yeah. What happened? I mean, he ended up killing himself, right? Did you know he was going through such tough times like that? I was five. Oh, sorry. No, I don't know. No, you don't know about that stuff. I was at his wedding, though, to a really tall model. You were at Hervey Villages's wedding. Yes. I remember being in the golf car going in and we went, yeah, I was at his wedding. That is so random, but awesome, right? That is so. Cool. I've never thought of it till now. You were at Hervey Village has his wedding. Who else's wedding were you at? Tom Selleck? Nope. Wait, did he do a show from my dad? I don't know. Your dad did so many shows. No, no. What was you? I always wonder like, you know, it's like Wonderland. Like, I wonder what it was like being in your house. How great was your house growing up? So this is me being like defensive. I'm like, well, the manner, the. The

huge house I didn't grow up in moved there when I was 17. I always feel the need to say that. So people are like, okay, you didn't grow up in that 56,000 square foot house. I'm like, no, my house I grew up and was down the block. It was 12,000 square feet. It's like, still big. Yeah, exactly. So it's not rational. No, but it's, look, you have to at some point you've accepted the fact that like, look, I was born into this family. Yeah. This is, and I've made the most out of it. And I've had a great career and I've had fun and I have a lot of experiences and don't feel bad for growing up privileged, right? You make it sound so easy. Because it is easy.

Is it? Yeah, it's like it's how you grew up. No one's going to judge you for how you grew up. It's how everyone judges me. Well, you know, that's true. They judge you because, you know, there's a lot of trolls and there's a lot of evil people out there. But most, I mean, I think people judge everybody. But at the same time, this is just who you are.

And it's who you are as a person, not who you are as, you know, an actor. And, you know, people always put everybody on a pedestal. And, you know, it's it's about kindness. It's about all these other things that we find out as we get older how important those things are. And just being a good person, how far that goes. Because, you know, I wasn't privileged. I, you know, we were, you know, my dad worked his way up. He was a very hard worker.

He, we lived in a duplex in Connecticut. We lived with my grandmother for a little while. We lived in a place called the hut. He got a job in Indiana. So we got this small house that had mine subsidence, mine subsidence. So there was mine, there were mines under the ground, the coal mines. Coal mines? In my screwed up brain.

Blowing up mines. No, I was like, there's mimes. There's mimes? I was like, that's rat. There's a mine. No, there was, so it was coal mines. So the house was a little bit off. Okay.

And so like I remember the kitchen like it leveled. It almost went uphill when you went into the into the laundry room. So anyway, but you know, my dad worked and worked and worked and worked and worked and worked his way up to middle class. There were no people under the stairs. There might have been. I actually wrote a horror movie about that. Oh. And in a small set.

Well, it's, you know, on the back burner, but I wrote it. Why is it on the back burner? It's called subsidence. What? That's awesome. It's a cool title, right? Yeah. It's really dark.

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You have, you know, been married for a long time, five kids, all this stuff. And, you know, shit happens. Yeah. And all of a sudden, you're like, I mean, is it one of those things where there's things when you get divorced? Is it still devastating? Is it still hard? Or is it like something that it's almost like I imagine when my grandfather was dying, he had Alzheimer's. And I was dying a little bit every year with him.

Like as he was dying, I was like mourning him as the years went on. So by the time he died, I wasn't as devastated. Yes. Is that a good analogy for a divorce? Yes. Well, I think it depends. They say women often grieve the marriage, like, during it. And the man grieves it after it's over.

Is that what happened to you? Yeah. Because once it's over, you're done. Done in what way? I mean, we have five kids together, so we're never going to be done. We co-parent really well. That's good. And he's still, like, I love him.

And I'm like, gosh, he knows all my... Everything. Bad and good. Like, you know, when he's over, it's like, it's very familiar. Yeah. And I, and that's the nice part that, you know, you don't have to impress anyone again. You don't have to start over. So while we're not together, like, it's comforting because it was hard at first.

when we first split up, it was like two years. It was just me and the kids. And I was like, oh, my gosh, I miss the way he screwed in a light bulb. Like, it was like. Having a partner around. A man. A man. I know.

This sounds terrible. No, it doesn't. Why? It was just the things. Yeah. It was comfort. I was, you know, I was the emotional support of the. the family, he was like the physical. Like he did the strong arm stuff. And I was like, well, you know,

I'm a woman. This, you know, it's the modern woman. I can do everything. And then all of a sudden I was like, this is stuff I don't know how to do. One, I didn't grow up having to do, you know. Yeah. Like what happens when I'm like, the sinks clogged? Wait, what, what do you do? Like I didn't. Trano, man. I didn't know how to get. Trino. Trano. That's the first step. Did you know that women are more likely to poison men if they want to kill them. That came out of nowhere and it's quite scary. But no, I didn't know that, but poison. I mean, that would be the easy way.

It's a female logical thing. Yeah. Men don't think about killing. No. No, men do it stupidly. They shoot them or stab them and then they know it's. And then they know it's the husband where women's like, I don't know what happened. He just his stomach was upset.

Yeah. And then he started spitting up foam. He came home from work. I just prepared his cocktail like I always do. And that was it. I was a good wife. I wasn't referencing me. No, I know.

I was talking like the 1950s housewife. But you miss that. You miss that sort of like he'll take care of it. He'll take care of those things that I don't care about. Yeah. My kids would, you know, suddenly be like, you know, this doesn't work. Anything from the power goes out. I'm like, I don't know.

Where's the circus? You know. Yeah. Well, now I have chat GPT. That does help. And she, I call mine Mona. Do you have the name for yours? I just say chat.

Let's chat. Hey, chat. But, you know, like I did that the other day where something really small, Ryan, on my screen, on my computer, all the icons of the folders were huge. And I go, let's go to file, view. No, that's not it. So I'm with the chat, GBT, and I said, all my files on my desktop screenset, they're all big. Press control this. And I go, oh, look at that.

I minimized it. And I go, it was easy. It's pretty genius. It's really great. I know, but it's also scary. I feel two different ways about it. We had like a water leak from the pool. And I went and I said something to her and she said take a picture of it.

So I took a picture and she's like, okay, she calls me tea because I tell her to. And she was like, oh, here's the problem. The one on the left is the one you need to turn. So I really don't need a man actually. You don't need a man. Yeah. Do you feel like you've always had somebody so you're used to being with somebody? So it's like now you're looking for the next or are you pretty content?

You know, you have five kids. It's not going to be when you find a guy, it's probably some guy who's like, wow, he must really like me. I've got five kids. Okay. So I always worried about this in life. Like if I ever got a divorce, no one's going to date me with five kids. It's like, oh my goodness, that's a lot. How old are they?

18. He'll be 19 next week. 17, 14, 13, and 9. Okay, so they're, I mean, this is good because really the nine year old only has about eight more, nine more years. I don't do math. I don't know. Right. But the rest of them are on their way out in a sense.

So if you're a guy, you're like, all right, most of them are kind of leaving. No. Well, you know what I'm saying? It's not like that daunting. And it's, and it's you're, it's like. You know. Well, I can't say that. You can't.

Well, you're the package, right? I guess. It does give me a little bit of leverage. That's all. Yeah. Because I think if it wasn't an actress, they might be like, whoa, five kids. I mean, it's a blind date, but you're like, hey, I have five kids. I can't go on a blind date.

Have you dated anybody else recently? Have you been on a date? No. Nothing. Because the divorce has only been, you got divorced last year. Yes. Have you guys ever thought of getting back together? or that's done.

I don't know where I. You don't, you really don't know. You don't, you just don't know where it's at. I'm so focused right now on work and kids. That's, I don't know.

I'm not in my like, I want to date era, but I mean, if someone, like, no one asked me out. Right. No one asked you out.

What do you mean, right? But what people, now are you the kind of like, you know, I'm divorced. I'm a mom. I don't like,

need to go wine and dined all the time. It's like I kind of want to just have a little fun too. Yes and no. Like I can't imagine sitting at dinner and making small talk. Like that is like, oh, that sounds exhausting. What about just no nonsense, noncommittal sex? Is that interest you? No. Not at all. I mean, maybe in the future. But right now, no. I just got hormone replacement or whatever. So I'm told I'm going to have like. You're going to be horny. Sex, eerie, like, through the roof. Really? Well, that's what they say.

Well, I think when that happens, you're going to get out a lot of dates. No. I'm a numbers girl. I'm a numbers girl. Always happen. Oh, now that, sorry, now the youth call it body count. I'm like, to me, that's a murder. That's a serial killer.

Yeah, I don't even know that. What are you talking about? I never heard a body count. You heard a body count? What's body count? How many people are you slept with? It's called body count? I remember.

Like, what? I remember Ice-T had an album called Body Count. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. Is that what he meant? No. I think it was...

Oh. Yeah, it was probably real body count. Yeah, body count. I'm like, what do you mean? But what do you look for in a man? Like, what do you, what are you looking for? It's very different now, I think, in my life than when I was younger. brain, like mental, like mental sex. What would that be? You want somebody who's strong-minded,

who's witty, who's creative, who's playful, but who's also bright and does the right things and is responsible. Okay. Does that sound right? First part. I think you're going to be fine. I mean, you were married for, what, 22 years? Wow, that was such a specific number. Is it wrong? 18. Okay. I just threw it out there. No, it was pretty close.

But that's a long time. My parents were married for 27 years. Okay. You know? Yeah. And they should have been divorced years before that. Yeah, I just want that mental stimulation. Like, I really, my brain is very, like, I like to be challenged.

And I, yeah. Yeah, I could sense that. You get bored pretty easily. Yeah. I like funny guys, but, like, not just like, oh, random jokes, like dad jokes or like fart jokes, you know, but, uh, no, I love a good fart joke. Screw me. Like, I never get sick of it.

But like, I love puns. I think in puns, which I think is a very specific kind of brain. Yeah, absolutely. You think in puns? I think in puns. Yeah. Yeah, I do. Creatives think in puns a lot.

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Yeah. Who's the, you can't say names, can you? Like assolettes or assholes? Just people you've worked with that you're like, you would not like to work with them again. Oh, that's a tough one because I'm the type that's like, okay, I'm a chess player in life. I don't play real chess, but I know how to navigate people in a way that it's like, know your audience, get to know people. I can mirror people very quickly. So I know how like, okay, this is what this person needs.

This is what, you know, they want to be talked to this way and play it fair. I'm not like. Right. So I can work with anyone. Have you ever? I work with them again. Have you ever thought this person has a lot of problems? Like this is, this is not about work.

This is about something that's going on. Something else is going on. Oh, for sure. And you just kind of like try to empathize or just like, you know what, they're going through a hard time. I'm going to let it go. You seem pretty forgiving. I am to a fault. Did people usually on sets, do they always come to you because you're sort of like for advice and things like that? I could see like, you know, I'm going to go to Tori. I'm going to go to Toto. Yeah. Yeah. Not advice, but like tell me their woes.

Lows. Yeah. If anyone had problems on set, and it wasn't like I'm going to go to the producer's daughter because I never told anyone. It was just, I was warm and friendly. Right. I don't know. Yeah. People tend to go towards energy, right?

Yeah. So if they feel like someone actually cares, then they will. Who had the smallest ego in Beverly Hills 90210? Other than me? Other than you. Brian Austin Green. Went with the flow. Yeah.

Who's the one? that was tougher. Do you think I'm going to say that right now? I can guess. I don't think you can guess. But you love them all in your own way. I don't think you even know. Did you love them in your own way? Every single one of them? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's family. It really is family for better or for worse. Because look, I've worked with people that I'm like, I don't want to work with that person again. And I've worked with people that I'm like, good leader. I wasn't, You know, it's funny. People ask me, was I close on Smallville with, you know, the cast?

I wasn't, but we all were cool with each other. Great. We didn't hang out a lot. I didn't know this. Yeah, but here's the thing. There was a respect for each other. We all liked each other, but we didn't hang out. But it wasn't until after Smallville, Tom and I started getting close and doing cons and

things like that. And he became sort of like a brother. Like we were so tight because he changed a lot too. I think he was all. you know, it was tough. He was a young kid thrown into this universe. He's the lead. He's carrying a show.

He's thrown, money's thrown out of this. And it was, it's a lot. And so I got it. And he handled it pretty well. And he was really easy to work with. But we didn't get closer till later. Did you ever find, did you ever get closer with people after shows ended?

I would say, definitely like, like, accepting each other as adults. and finding it. Brian and I were so super close and then didn't talk for 18 years. Wow. And now in, you know, in real life, he's like my best guy friend now. He's a real sweetheart. He really is. Yeah. He's just laid back. We get each other on a different, like we were kids then and going through so much. And now we can look back and be like, it was different. I mean, Shannon and I were best friends. and then we weren't and neither of us really knew why. And I'm so lucky that because of conventions, we got to come back together and be friends again before she passed. And that meant so much to me and to her.

And it was, yeah. So the cons have been cool. Did you go to her funeral? I was at her one year recently. And that was beautiful. I got to see her mom again and see her friends and stuff. Yeah. Did it bring back a lot of memories?

And tears? It did. It was, this is so, I'm not sure to this day what the reason is, like, it was more, oh, God, I want to phrase this properly. I had more of an emotional outwardly reaction, outwardly, outwardly reaction when Shan passed than my own father. Wow. Yeah.

Why? I was younger then. I mean, it was 19 years ago. 20. I think I had every feeling so repressed. I didn't know how to deal with my feelings. Then in my mind, it was like you just go on. And so my dad was everything to me.

I mean, daddy's girl, he's still my hero. So. I could see how much he means to you, just in a nuance, in a moment. I, yes, everything. And I think about him every single day. in my life. But with Shan, when she passed, I don't know, it was this thing. And maybe it's because we're getting older. And it's kind of a, you start to think of your own mortality and what's going to happen. And it's like, we friends, my age are passing and this can happen. That was a hard

one. I was a hard one. I could see. I could see that it affects you. Even Luke. When Luke passed, I was still in my mode of like, go on, go on. You know, I was there for Jen. I was there for, you know, to help them through it. And but I was like inside like, just go. You got to keep going. Strong front. And it was only like when Shan passed, I was like, oh my gosh, I can't stop crying.

And this is so unmey. Yeah. But I also like grew up thinking crying was a sign of weakness. Yeah. I felt like that too. I felt like, you know, I never saw my father cry. and yeah he was really hard he was he was tough he was you know and yeah that's something i can relate to and so i don't cry a lot but i was you know the other day i cried because i've been in a lot of

pain because i have to have this surgery and i am good with pain like no one even understands that they don't realize how much pain i go through and you know with surgeries and stuff like that and for the first time i never talked about this but I was sitting down in downstairs in my basement and I got sat on the floor and I just put my hands in my face. And I, I wasn't thinking I was going to cry. I was just like. And then it just started happening and it didn't stop for like five minutes. It was really a hard cry.

And my dogs immediately came to me and like wouldn't leave me alone and started kissing me. And it was. And I got to tell you. I wish I would cry more because it felt good. As bad as it was, it released, it releases cortisol and a lot of other stuff. But it just, it's a release. You need a release. You can't go on living, pretending you're fine all the time.

It's okay to hurt. You start to realize that as we get older. Yeah. Like it's, you don't know it when you're younger. You're just like, it's not okay. Like, it's be fine, fine. Yeah. No, I agree.

Do you ever do that thing where you pretend you die and see? if your dog will come over and see if you're okay. I have done that. Yes, I have done that. I'm like, oh my God. And then I lay on the ground. Yep. So I've done this over the years. Not one dog has ever fucking come over to see if I'm okay.

Jesus. How many dogs do you have? Right now, one. You have one. Usually you have more. Yes. At times, I've had many more. You know, I thought about this.

This is complete non sequitur. But when we renegotiated for Smallville, nobody was together on the negotiation. Everybody was separate. And I was like, why can't we go as a team? Tom, come on. No, I'm doing it on my own. I'm the lead.

I'm doing my own deal. But when you guys did yours on Beverly Hills, did you go together or was it all separate? It was separate. And you hated it too. Have you met me? I was like, I don't care. I'm just lucky to be here. I don't need much.

But did you feel like you got shafted because there's so many cast members and they're like, oh, you know. And it's Aaron's daughter. So, you know, he's not going to, they're not going to give her as much to make. to make a point. So this is wild. When I first, the first season, I'm not sure what season this changed and only changed because I got a manager that was like, we have to get a lawyer and look. And she's like, wait, what's your contract?

I'm like, I don't know. I signed something. I never looked at it. It doesn't matter. I was getting what less than what a guest star would make. Wow. And I was a series regular with everyone else. That's bullshit.

Yeah. But it changed, right? Eventually. Oh, yeah, it changed. Thank God. Well, but not, you know, not till it was like, see, it did change because she was like, we're not doing that. I'll go in because I'm like, no, it's my dad's show.

Don't ask for anything. But, yeah, it changed. But then, you know, as the show progressed, I started to know my worth on the show. There you go. And, you know, by the end, by the 10th season, I'm like, okay, listen, here's the little character that's like, I don't have a name. And hi, Brendan Kelly, to 10th season, you know, we, Brian and I were the two main characters. Yeah. And we ended the whole show and got married. And, you know, so by then I knew my worth. At least. It's amazing. It's like, it's sometimes

you don't know your worth forever. A lot of people don't know their worth. Then I regret. I don't know what now. Now you don't know your worth. Now you're absolutely worthless. Now you're not. I mean, a little bit. No. You know, it's funny as she's talking, I'm not. I'm not. kidding. I don't know why, but I'm like, uh, I'm just enjoying, uh, our conversation. I, I can't tell you. I, I just find her really fun. I don't know. There's something about you that's really just like, uh, just easy and silly, you know, it's like there's always something. When I ask you a question, I really don't know what's going to come out of your mouth. I don't know if it's going to, you know, that's, that's, I don't either is the thing. And I'm okay with that.

You know, I thought this was a good question. Oh, yeah. Did playing Donna Martin help you figure out who you were or did it blur the line between Tori and Donna? So now Jenny Garth and I do a rewatch 9021 OMG and watching it all back. First of all, it was hard for me to watch myself for years. Me too. Really?

Yeah, yeah. Because we're doing a rewatch podcast and it's, you know, I'm getting used to it now, but like, you know, sometimes I'll be like, oh, God, you see what it looked like? Yeah. Yeah, me too. What are you going to do? No, but now I watch and I was like, oh, my God, I beat myself up so much over the years. And now I look back and like, wow, Donna was cute.

Like, she's like, oh, my God. Dirty Donna. Yeah. But honestly, did it blur the line between Tori and Donna, like, you know, playing this part? Did you know who you were? Wait, I still want to go back to Dirty Donna. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So it's not funny. Like if they did 902 and no now, I mean, it'd be euphoria, but they're welcome. It's, I feel like, you know, if we were on, I don't know, streaming, she'd be more like me. I was always a good girl just like Donna. But I feel like when I watch back and I see Donna, I'm like, that's totally me, except for the body mouth. The body mouth. Body.

B-A-W-D-Y, body. I'm aging myself again. Yeah. No one says that. No, it's okay. Like, oh, that chick, she's body. Yeah. No?

Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like body karate. Like, she's got body karate. Yeah, I knew you didn't know it. I could see you look. Yeah, I'm not. You look confused. No, I know old school stuff.

I don't know new school stuff as much. It's not. Like a girl, a female that was like outspoken and dirty kind of, but not dirty. Like talked like a little bit of like a sailor. Yeah. But in a QA. Right. Um, do you know what I'm talking about?

Yeah, he knows what you're talking about. What would be another word for it? Hmm. There you go. I definitely have like, I have a mouth on me. Yeah. Wow. You're really sarcastic.

You're really playful. You don't know. Have you ever had some people think, you know, I don't know when you're serious. Are you being serious? Yeah. But I always say to people like I use, I think I use humor sometimes maybe too much to cope. Yeah. Yeah.

Like you're two, just like, be in the moment. Is that what they say? Oh, I don't know. I got nervous when you said that. I was like, Hey, I want you to focus here. I was like, yeah. I want you to focus, Tori.

No, no, no. Show, pony, go. Yes. Action. Okay. Do you, uh, you still go to therapy? Still. You never went to therapy?

I had moments. Went to therapy. Sure. Like in my late 20s. Like when Dean, my ex and I had, like problems I went to therapy. I really need to go back to therapy. I think it's important.

I mean, you know when it's like, here's what happens. You just start to have so much built up that you don't even know where to begin. And you think, oh, I'm fine. And then once you start talking to someone, it all comes out. And you're like, wow.

Wow, that really helped just getting it out. You know what I mean? Or you could do somebody's podcast and you don't need therapy. Yeah. It's just all coming out now. I think it's great. I think, look, from this podcast, we know that you're easy to get along with. Yes.

We know that your dad was really sweetheart to you. Yeah. You know, you still love him. You know, you had a lot of feelings and got really emotional about Shannon. Yes. Brian, you loved on set. He had no ego. You know, by the way, your family, your kids.

They mean the world to you, obviously. Do you see, do you play with them, hang out with them? Do you want to talk to them all the time? I do. Here's the thing which I kind of love now because now I have teenagers and it's like a whole new thing. And I'm like the cool mom hangout house. So I have like my daughter as a boyfriend. My son has a girlfriend. Like they're over. Their friends are over. On a weekend, there's like eight to 10 teenagers at my house. And you love it. I really do. And someone's like why. And I was like, oh, interesting. I mean, I. Here's as a mom, I'd rather than be around me and talk about everything. And it's cool. I love that my daughter will come to me with like relationship stuff. And usually she is wiser about relationships and gives me better advice than I give her.

Because she knows she's worth something. She is very confident. Confident. Yeah. Really confident. Yeah. And I'm like, I want to be you. Like when I was 17 and playing Donna and feeling like shit about myself and yeah, I wasn't confident.

Isn't that something? I'm re-learning now how to have confidence from I'm 52, like getting inspiration from a 17-year-old. But I love that they're all over and it's so much fun. And I think I like happy chaos. Yeah. You like just people sitting on the couch and having chips. Oh my God. Don't do that.

Put that away. You just like it just. I don't say that. It's not chaos. It's just kind of fun. It's like camp every day at your house. Wow. Wait.

See, I don't need a therapist. Yeah. Just need you. You just need. I wasn't allowed to go to camp. You like having love around you. You like having family. I never went to camp.

I never went to camp. I never went to camp. I went to adult camp once in my later years. They have adult camp. What are you talking about? So you do everything you did in camp, but like you go and you know, you can drink and hang out. What? About my friends.

It's been years. Do they have it still? Oh, yeah, bro. What? You will have the most fun you've ever had. It's called Camp No Counselors. It is the most fun you'll ever have. My friends and I went and we were beside ourselves.

Yeah, I can't believe this has almost been an hour already. What? I know you have to leave. I'll come back. Listen, I want you to come back because this is a lot of fun for me. No, it is. And I don't mind sitting here either. It's actually been fun.

He isn't mean sitting here with me. He means sitting on the other side. No, no, sitting here with you. I do want to ask you about... That color does look good with you. Oh, thank you. But I will... No, not your outfit.

Oh, I'm colorblind anyway, so... Are you? Yeah. Oh, boy. Colorblind. I thought we had so much in common. Probably a little dyslexic, a little ADHD, a lot of stuff. Me too.

Oh. Yeah. Squirrel. That's me. Shut that. Squirrel. What, you do that too? That's what?

everyone says. Yeah. Squirrel. You know, squirrel. I and Zering from 902 and Hoke coined it once. And he was like, oh, because we're good friends. And he was like, honestly, he's like, squirrel, squirrel with me. Because I am like, do, do, do.

So that's me. Yeah. Hey, if you, if your dad could see the way your life has unfolded, what would he say? Oh, struggles. What would he say? Oh. First of all, would he be pissed about, by the way, we didn't bring it up. but like the fact that I think a lot of people think,

oh, she inherited so much money and you didn't. Do you think he'd be pissed about that? Going for some down loads here. No, I'm curious, but I'm curious. Like,

so am I? Like, it just doesn't make sense to me. Duh. It's like ridiculous. I don't understand it. How is it possible? How is something like that happen?

It's just, it's downright. what would you what's the word you would use to describe it criminal you can't you can't you're not allowed to talk about it are you I just snorted and I'm starting to cry I like it I like it um my dad was not good with money it was it was so interesting like uh super creative guy my mom handled all like the business and finances she's super smart like that And, you know, business manager, they had people. But he would literally, I remember, I'd go over to my parents' house after I moved out.

And I was like, oh, my friends and I were going to all go out. And he was like, oh, babe, come here, come here. Let me give you some money. Cover everybody. And he'd hand me a $20 bill. Here you go. Here you go. He didn't get it.

He thought he was still in the 1940s. He was like, this will cover everything. Here you go. Yeah. It's parking now. That's parking. Oh, God, it really is. Yeah, parking's like $20 or $30.

Not even like, yeah. But yeah, but all that stuff is just, you know, I mean, you don't have to say anything about it. I think, I think he'd be really a great grandfather. The kids talk about Grandpa Aaron all the time. My daughter, when she went thrifting, found a T-shirt that said, Grandpa, the myth, the myth. myth the legend the man the man the legend yes yeah that's sweet and she found that and she wears it all the time so you honor him like you oh yeah and my kids even my nine year old goes something something you know grandpa erin and i'm like oh my god yeah and i talk you know i tell them stories but god he would

have loved them yeah and he would have just doted on them um that's that's something you miss i do i would have loved to experience so my oldest His name is Liam Aaron named after my dad's middle name. And I, yeah, I conceived him a month after my dad passed. How emotional was that? Yeah, that was a lot because I was like, oh, so it was a bittersweet time. Like my dad had just passed. I was like repressing emotion, but still in my head emotional and my soul.

And then all of a sudden, the greatest joy, my first baby. but I truly felt like I'm like okay and you know what um my brother and I talk about this brandy yes he's a life coach so he you know is always talking me through stuff and celestine prophecy shit like you know just energy and where you signs yep yep so yeah and he's always like you know dad's around he's around and he there's so many things changing in our lives well with everyone now because we talk about it's the year of the horse and it was the year of the horse and it was the You're the snake before. Shed that shit.

Like, okay. So, I don't know. I like snakes. Oh, I'm wearing a snake. Ring. Anyway, yeah, like new beginning. So, anyway. Rebirth.

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Gary F, what's one word to describes where you are in life right now and why? You seem happy. Well, I'm an actor. You got your family. You got this cool podcast. Oh, my God, they were all wrong. I can't act. Rebuilding.

That's great. Linda M., what do you daydream about? Food. Jacob Age, what's the next few years look like for you? Any plans? Yeah, I've been focusing. I think a lot on my kids, which I'll continue to do, and kind of life-changing, you know, romantically, everything. You know, the last few years, it was a lot.

Yeah. But the next few years, I really, like, I hate this term, but it's true. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Let's change it. Let's redefine things. I like changing definitions. So. Yeah, let's change that.

What should we make it? The apple. What's in right now? Leachy. How about the apple can fall far as fuck away from the tree if it wants to? My point was like I'm just like my dad. Yeah. But I'm also saying on the opposite front, if you don't want to be like somebody, you want to be your own thing.

Let the apple roll away as far as possible. I don't know. I'm just. I'm sure there's some song you want to sing about that. Look, you're a product of your own environment. Like, you know, you have some of your mom. You have some of your dad. part of you and you have to choose the things you like about them, if any, and go with those things

and the things you don't, you have to change. And if you can't change them yourself, you have to get therapy and you have to figure it out because that's only going to destroy you. Are we talking about you or me? Me, totally me. So for me, I just feel like I have spent such a lifetime of apologizing, but inside deep down, I know that I have a lot of creative. I'm a creator and I want to empower myself to be powerful, I guess. And I've kept myself small in so many ways. Good. I want to see you super confident because, I mean, you deserve it.

And I just think you're a special person. You are. Thank you. Yeah. I had a lot of fun today. And I'm bummed that I can't talk to you longer because I feel you promised to come back. Yeah.

because I want to talk horror. Yeah, we'll talk horror. We'll talk everything. Do you do immersive? Anything immersive? Yeah, we've done stuff like horror things on Halloween and stuff where you go and you're in this 30 minute, you know, you have to get through it. I love that stuff.

I know. No, I. Yeah. That's some good shit. But what's next, by the way? You got the podcast with Jenny Garth. I do. I have my own podcast misspelling, which I'd like you to come on that.

I'm done. All right. I mean, I'm there. You're done? I mean, I'm there. A lot of irons in the fire. Yeah. I fucking hate when people say that.

But it's true. But you are doing a lot of things. You're doing both podcasts. You have a family to take care of. You're transitioning from being married for a long time. You're doing all these things. You have six books. You've done enough.

Isn't it ever enough? No, no, no. I have so many more things to do. I want to run an empire. That's big. That's a lot. Run an empire. Entertainment empire.

I want to do. what my dad did and he would always say this if you asked him then like why do you do this and he said because I want to make people happy they have hard lives hard days and at the end of the day they want to come home and have escapism and they want to smile and he's like I want to entertain people that way I know nowadays it's not in the theaters it's not on the TV screens it's on your phones vertical shorts but I like that sentiment I I like that. That's important.

Yeah. And I really love pleasing people. Not pleasing comes out wrong. You said it because it's true. We're people pleasers and we have to stop. We have to stop doing that. Oh, man. No, you have to because it, it depletes all your energy.

And so you have, and I'm saying it. We, it does. I'm like, I'm like pot call on the kettle black here, but I need to do that too. Is your cortisol? No, it's your. It's just like you're giving so much to so many that you are forgetting the one person that needs to actually just you need you need love you need you need you need energy you need health energy it's energy yeah like if someone stops me in the market I in the grocery store I said market

once my kids are like what's market um I will literally like 30 minutes later they're probably like I just wanted to say hi Donna Martin like they want to get the fuck out of there because I'm going I really do love people and I love connecting with people. But I will go above and beyond to keep talking to people. And it's like it's okay to say, it was great meeting you. I got to go. Thank you. I really appreciate it.

Fuck off. Here we go. All right. You've been great. Thanks for being here. Oh, I love you. I love you too. Tori, you're a delight.

You're a gem. I hope you'll come back on the show. It wasn't easy getting you in here, but you did. You did it. And thank you. You were awesome. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. You know, let's just get into it.

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in the past that you didn't like yourself for or you said something or you did something or you're a different person then you're changed now starting right now moving forward be you be the best you be the best you be the best you that you can be kind and you know what else can you do i think that's the big thing be kind be good to yourself um i don't think there's much else you could do exercise maybe when i say be good to yourself it's kind of like all that yeah that's implied It's implied. Exercise. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Read books. Read books. Anything else, Ryan? Listen to music. Read books. All right.

We'll see you next week. Travel.