Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - TYLER HOECHLIN: Saying Goodbye to Superman, Embracing Tough Love & Choosing Baseball Over Twilight

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Tyler Hoechlin (Superman & Lois, Teen Wolf) joins us this week to share how he’s been able to intertwine a tough-love sports upbringing with newfound vulnerability to find success in fan beloved franchises. Tyler reflects on the improbable run of Superman & Lois amidst the multiple different industry curveballs thrown their way, while recalling his unexpected request to put on the cape. We also talk about his deep lifelong passion for baseball, turning down Twilight, and his intense work ethic that pushes him to prove people wrong. Thank you to our sponsors: 🍓 Strawberry: https://strawberry.me/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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land rover.ca. You're listening to Inside of You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum, great guest today on the show. Ryan, Tayas. No, Ryan's here though. Oh. I mean, you'd be a great guest too. One day. No, you'd be a great guest. I don't think enough people would listen. I'm not a big draw. I mean, not yet. Not yet. But you will. You're a big draw to me. Thank you. And to our inside of you online listeners. Yeah. You know, but Tyler Hecklin is here. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's way more famous. He's a famous guy. But more importantly, he's really nice and so. smart and opens up and it was it took a lot to get him here you know he was on that show for a long time superman and lois and um he had a lot on his plate yep and he finally came around and it was everything i wanted uh we had a a great time together and i think you're going to get some really great insight with him a few things um if you're listening for tyler and you don't know who the hell I am. I was like Slutheran Smallville. That helps because if you're listening,

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Let's get inside of Tyler, hecklin. It's my point of you. You're listening to inside of you with Michael. Rosenbaum Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum Was not recorded in front of a live studio audience Now you were just saying that you wanted to have a setup sort of something like something like my place yeah what does that mean like what do you what are you what are you looking for? What's your goal? I've just I've moved so much in the last however many years like I haven't had like an actual stable spot. How could you? Between like taking things with me, moving them around, wanting them in one place and then like, no, I want them with me in Vancouver and all that. It's just it's constantly a moving target to like have a setup. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, wait, oh, so I'm not going to be here for nine months. Okay, well, I guess I should rent this place out. So now I got to take my stuff out. So it's just. You did run it out? Yeah, at one point when I was in Vancouver, I had the house run it out. But you had no furniture in there or you did. At that time, I didn't. Well, I had the house completely. It is one of those things. So I tend to. I tend to.

try to squeeze way too much into a very small window. And so when we were shooting second season, there was an episode where Superman disappeared for like the episode. There was like one scene in the beginning. And then it was like, where is he? What's happened to him? So I was going to come down to L.A. for a couple days, which I did. And then all of a sudden, they were like, hey, Bitsy got COVID.

So there was nothing to shoot because I had already shot my scene, scenes, like two or three scenes for that episode. So you thought you had the week off? No, I did. And then I go, so we're basically shutting down. Now you have like two weeks off. And I was like, oh. Oh. So I went from having like, you know, a couple days to like two full weeks. I was like, oh my God. And my, my buddy who had been living at my place, who I just like kind of let move in there, he was moving out to get a new spot. So I was like, well, wait, can I, can I in 10 days empty out this entire house? Because I found a company that would manage it, but they only did unfurnished. And so again,

I tried to race to a decision to get it done and make it happen. So instead of exploring every single option, which is what I like to do, I just explored the options I had the time to. And this company seemed like the best. And they're like, we only do unfurnished. So in, I think it ended up being like in six days. So you didn't have a vacation. You emptied your house.

No. No, I spent six days. Two days. I didn't sleep. I just like went straight through the night. I think the, my last night there was the Saturday before Super Bowl. I literally did not sleep the whole night I had some people helping me

Saturday they went to bed I stayed up all the way until they woke up and then they helped me a little bit more they left and then eventually I just went straight to the flight and flew back to Vancouver and then like shot the next day so you have a you have a propensity

for not going to bed at a reasonable hour and you're not really a partier no I'm just you're just like a night owl I'm a night owl I'm a night owl For whatever reason, like ever since I was young, I just, I have this weird thing of like, everybody else is sleeping and I'm getting stuff done. It's like they quit and I'm still going. It's like this stupid thing. So it's like it doesn't matter if it's out like if it's out with friends for a night and everybody's like for me, I'm like I'll pull an all night or whenever. I'm like I just if we're having fun, let's keep going. Let's have a good time. So it's that it's that it's that. It's like I got to do this so that I don't have jet lag the next day. Like I'll stay up till I'll stay up until like an 11 a.m. flight the next day just that I can sleep. and wake up on time where I'm going. And it works for you.

I haven't had jet lag in 12 years. That sounds like I'm getting anxiety thinking about doing that. Like I can't, like I am, you know, I guess I used to stay up to like 12, 1, 2 at the most. Yeah. But now it's like when it hits 10, my body just is like ready to go. That's when I wake up. I get the weirdest second win around 10 p.m. I'm like, okay, what do I need to get done today?

But what do you do when you're filming when you're on the lead on a series, Superman, and lowest and you're like you obviously can't do that uh i shot a movie once where my call i think i got picked up at like 5 30 in the morning every day i think i got about three hours of sleep a night on that shoot how old were you uh 30 30 30 and you don't look like shit i feel like shit in the morning when i wake up for the first like 20 minutes and then i have a coffee and then about 30 40 minutes and i'm like all right here we go and then during the day like at a certain point in the middle of the day, like probably like hour nine or 10 of the day. I'm like, oh, man, I'm going to get some good sleep tonight. Like, I'm going to go home. I'm going to go to sleep early and I would get

home. And my brother was with me on that shoot actually. He came out as my stand in. So he was with me in New Orleans for six weeks. It was awesome. What movie was that? A movie called The Domestics with Kate Bosworth. And it was really fun. It was a fun. It was a fun. It was a fun. But you didn't sleep much. No. Because I get home and then I get home and then I get home and then I could sit down back okay I'm gonna put on sports center like my brother and I would sit there and watch sports center or watch a game until about like 930 10 o'clock and then sports center would come on and then all of a sudden I'd be like all right I should go to bed soon and then 10 10 30 like here's my second win and I'd be up for I'd be up for two three hours

and I go to bed at like 2 a.m. wake up at 5 that sounds so stressful so like on superman lowest team wolf all these other things did you were you more disciplined in in terms of like you're probably wiped out and you tried to get to bed so because you know you had an early call or no the no the only the only time i try to i try to like if i know i have an early call i try to go to bed early but half the time what ends up happening is i sit there and i lay in bed for two hours what do you think about anything everything does your mind constantly run yeah it's hard for me to shut it down it's it's you ever have did they ever say you have attention deficit disorder or no cd or anything like that no nothing like that no i never i've never really

looked into it and i was like yeah i just you know when i get tired when i'm finally get tired of I get tired. My thing is always this. I think coming from, coming from sports, like, coming from sports where it's like, your coach is like, I don't, I don't want to hear excuses. I don't want to hear explanations. I just want you to get the job done. Right. Like, that's what I grew up with. So for me, it's like, when someone, like, I'm on set and like, if I'm tired, I'm like, okay, boo-hoo, you're tired. Like, my dad's an ER doctor. He works 24-hour shifts, 36-hour shifts sometimes. So I'm like, anytime I'm on set where I came like, you, you're okay? I'm like, my dad's on hour 19 of his shift. Like, I'm fine. I'm fine.

Now, see, so it's like, it's a little bit of a thing. I just don't make the excuse. I'm like, I'm tired, okay, you're tired. Figure it out. Yeah. Not I'm tired. Everyone feels sorry for me and fix it. Like, no, just get through it.

Well, what I'm thinking now is that your dad had a big influence on you growing up. Yeah. And so his work ethic and all that stuff really stuck with you. Yeah. Him and my older brother big time. I always had a big thing of like, it's fine if someone's better than you at something, but don't ever let anyone outwork you. So your work ethic is intense.

Yeah. With everything? Yeah. You don't wing it. You don't wake up and learn your lines? I do what I know is most effective for me. So there are times where over studying, like on TV, right? Because like TV and film's different.

Film, you get the whole script, you know, everything. Episodes are coming out with TV. So like it's constantly like some days you have 12 days of prep for a scene. And some days you get the script the night before and you have a couple hours. Right. So it just depends. It depends on the workload. If I had like, if I was literally every single scene start to finish the day before,

then yeah maybe there's a scene or two the next day that like I know it I'm aware of what the scene is but I haven't memorized the lines yet and then lucky for me I've been doing this since I was eight so photographic memory it's I don't know if it's photographic but I memorize lines like that like that easily yeah at three o'clock today and they gave you three pages I'll memorize yeah easy but it just pisses me off I know I know I know because I work with amazing actors who are just like I just memorizing lines is not my thing Yeah, it scares me. It's like, fuck, you know, like, I think what happens is when you start doing a role and then you start to get used to the role and you know what the character is. Right. They come to you faster, muscle memory. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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than you would have for the first few episodes than normal or kind of the same thing? Like, I got this. I'll be honest with you. It's the weirdest thing. I don't know why this role never scared me. And I know you're supposed to take the roles that scare you in the thing. It just, it never did. And I know it probably should have, but it just didn't.

I've felt super connected to the guy the whole time. Because you were Superman and Supergirl. Yeah. And even, yeah, and even in that, even in that, it was like, people were like, was it intimidating? I was like, I honestly never thought about it. I just like. Never thought about it. No, because I didn't, I didn't grow up with the character.

I know, obviously, everybody knows who Superman is. But I didn't grow up with that character. It wasn't Batman I more grew up with. Indiana Jones I more grew up with. Like, those were characters that I was way more aware of. I was just aware of Superman as Superman. So for me, it was always like, once I talked to Berlancy about, you know, how do you see the character?

I was like, well, I mean, you know, I think this about him. This is kind of a thing that I think is like a core of who he is and da-da-da-da-da. And we just kind of talked about the guy. And then that was it. There was no audition. I literally just went in for a general meeting with Greg. Not knowing you're going to get the role. Not even knowing what the meeting was for.

It was just a general meeting. What do you think about the idea of you playing Superman? The first 30 minutes we just talked. We were just talking, talking about life, talking about work, talking about whatever. And then like halfway through, he's like, so. we're going to bring Superman on to Supergirl for a couple episodes like what would you what would you think about that and I was like like would I be interested he's like yeah I was like sure let's talk about it and so we just kind of talked about the character and then I left the meeting and

I forget how long later like maybe like a week or two later my manager Colin was like hey like they're offering it to you if you want it and I was like okay and it was it just for a one one episode two episodes that was it two episodes it was a two episodes it was you I thought two episodes on Supergirl, and you're probably done playing Superman. Yeah, no, I was literally like, you know what, it'll be cool, I'll check it off the list. I did it. I played a superhero, two episodes, and then, because I had just come off Teen Wolf. I wasn't looking to do anything like full time. So it was perfect. Like two episodes, great, something cool, something fun, have some photos. Yeah. Like, show my kids one day.

I've played Superman for two episodes. Yeah. So you had no ink years later. Yeah. And when did you know that you were going to be Superman for, like, the lead? So I went in, I'm trying to think. So I did the first two episodes. Then I did two episodes at the end of that season. And then at one point I went and met with Greg again. And he was like, hey, would you want to come back and do the character on the crossovers? And I was like, yeah, I mean, hey, I had a blast.

Like, I love working with Alyssa. I love working with the grand. Are they paying you well or just guest star? Yeah, yeah. Whatever. CW. Do CW money. Yeah.

My dad's a doctor. I'm doing fine. Yeah. I got no complaints. But in the world of TV money, like, yeah. whatever it's fine and it just kept happening yeah just well so this is the next meeting the next meeting I had with Greg was do you want to do the crossovers and I was like that sounds fun yeah I'd love to go work with everybody again I had a great time so it was three episodes and he goes okay cool he's like

well they're telling me it's the last time that I can use you as the character and I was like okay great I was like dude it's supposed to be two episodes this will be seven now like yeah great awesome winning he's like I might even kill you I'm like do what you got to do great sounds great so that was the conversation going into else worlds so we do else worlds i finish up there and at this point now it's been like i want to say maybe it's coming up on a couple years like post teen wolf and i'm like you know what like i've had fun i've done a couple films i've bounced around a little bit i was like i want to build a community i want to like i want to know the people i go to work with all the time and i want to have a bit of like a base and so i reached out to greg i sent an email and

i was like hey man like look uh you know my life's changed a little bit since the last time we sat down you know, I'm looking for something a little bit more consistent. You know, if you're open to something, I'd love to come in and talk to you about doing something together. It's a little long term. Yeah, no, nothing. Because for me, Superman's done. Superman's done.

They've told him it's the last time you can use the character on the shows. Great. So he's like, I'd love that. Come in. So we sit and we have a meeting and we talk. And at one point, he's like, look, I think I can get Superman to happen. But I need to know you're on board before I start making those calls because I'm going to have to convince some people to do it. And I was like, okay.

So we talked about what it would look like and how it would be different and all this kind of stuff. And I was like, all right. I was like, hey, you know what? If it looks like that, I'm down. I'm in. And so we left. Like, I was walking out the door. And I heard him say there was a assistant.

He's like, get Peter Roth on the phone. And I was like, oh. You heard him say that. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, oh, like now. Like now now. That's crazy.

And then it was like a few, like a few months, a few months of things turning over. And then eventually it became this thing of like, yeah, this is real. We want to do this. And I was like, all. Great. Awesome. that is crazy yeah that's crazy how shit happens crazy and i think about you know your relationship with your dad yeah and you kind of you know you're like my i could see so much respect yeah

towards what he does and yes was there ever a time was he sort of unconditional love uh i'm proud to you on this gave you everything you needed or when you got into the acting world and you really said this is going to be my career yeah did he sort of like hey you know you get a real job like you know like maybe my dad did never never my parents my parents never wanted me to have a real job never they they they supported me as a baseball player and an actor like two of the most unlikely professions wow and they were like go get it go get it but like even when you were young when you were kid you did commercials yeah yeah i yeah i was like when i was when i was a when i was a baby baby apparently i did commercials that's how this whole thing kind of happened was my parents

had me doing commercials as a baby i found out about it somehow when I was like seven and I asked him I was like oh like did I get like paid for that because like you know I'm seven I'm getting allowance I want the money I'm getting some money I'm getting some money I got baseball cards I'm okay so I was like did I get paid for that and they're like yeah and I was like oh I was like that'd be kind of cool like I could do commercials and get money and then I could buy my own video games and baseball cards whenever I wanted I went to wait for my allowance that'd be kind of cool so just like a little side thing and then randomly um there's this place called Beverly Hills Actors Studio there was kind of like kind of just one of those like masks

like studios, schools in L.A. Just bringing in a bunch of kids. I'm in Corona at this point. Actually, I'm in Norco at this point. It's not even Corona yet. So we're in Norco, North Corona. Shout out to Horsetown, USA. And so we get this letter in the mail for this audition for this Beverly Hills

Actor Studio. They're holding auditions at the Ontario Convention Center. And it was on a weekend that I had a baseball tournament out in Marino Valley. So we think nothing of it. We can't go. It's fine. So we're driving out. And this is like early, early days of cell phones, like the big chunk ones in the middle, like, center console of the car kind of thing.

Yeah. And so we're driving out to, we're driving out to this tournament. And my parents get a call on the phone that it's from my coach saying like, hey, freak rainstorm came through here. Like, you know, there's no games. The fields are flooded. So, by the way, I played in Marino Valley my entire childhood until I was 18, like through high school. Never happened. Maybe three times, maybe three times that I had rained out of Marina Valley.

This is weird, super weird. So we're like, all right, well, what do we do today? We can go to that audition for that acting thing. So we go to Ontario Convention Center. And they had like a couple of young actors who had done a few things come up and talk about their experience. And then they had people, you know, different age groups have different auditions come up on stage and like mine, I can't believe I still remember this. Mine was like the music, the action, gur, the Lion King. Like that was my first thing I ever read as an audition. Wow. And I think of eight years old. And so my brother and I went and talked to these people. They're like, hey, look, you know, they don't have stage fight.

They seem like they could, you know, maybe do something. My parents were at that time were, like, putting us into homeschool because my older brother and sister were in college and we go watch my brother play college ball. So we were missing class and they're like, well, homeschool. So they're like, okay, this is one more social thing they can do on top of, you know, playing ball and stuff. They're not in class. So let's do it.

And so we did. We signed up for that. I did classes there for like six months. That school got me an audition with an agent. I got with that agent. Did you feel like you were good? Did you feel like you were getting? some response from the faculty or whatever like hey you got something here um i don't know if i

necessarily ever felt like any kind of like special acknowledgement but i felt comfortable like i felt comfortable in it it was like it was i was having fun i was having fun i was having fun i wasn't i wasn't doing what i do all the time in my life now which i've gotten at least a little bit better at which is overthinking everything i was just doing it i was having fun i was having fun um and so it felt it felt easy um and then like my fifth audition was for this disney sing-long video that they have like it wasn't just haunting it wasn't yeah happy haunts it wasn't like just song and dance like they had like little like skits in between there's like little scenes in between that linked the performances and so but like we had to go in and sing a song i'll never forget this you sing

no i like no look if you put me on karaoke am i going to be the worst person in the room no but like am I going to go be the lead of Bohemian Rhapsody? Like, no, I'm not going to do that either. You're probably one of those guys that have perfect pitch. I have no idea. Probably not. Probably not. I actually, so I auditioned for the fame remake at one point. And this is a side note, but long story

short, I said no like 20 times. They kept calling. I think it was Debequilla and Trisha Wood that were casting and I knew them and they were great and I love them. And so they had called multiple times, like, well, he come in. And I was like, guys, I don't, I don't sing. I don't sing. And so it's like five or six times we said no. And they

finally call my agent like will he please just come in i was like i will come in if you explicitly remind them that i said i don't say they know they know you can't sing they said it's okay i was like because it said it's a requirement they're like it's fine just come in all right so i go in i do this jason moraz song and then what song uh i'm yours and i closed my eyes okay how does that go again i'm going to tell part of this story so i got a ride to the audition i had taken five whiskey polls it's the only time I ever did this. I was so nervous to go sing personally. I took like five whiskey poles right before I went, did the scene, sang, and got home.

And I was just like sat home for the rest of the day. But I closed my eyes. I closed my eyes for the whole thing. And I opened my eyes at the end. She's like, you can sing. I don't know why you didn't come in earlier. And I was like, had no idea. Had absolutely no idea.

And so they put me with a singing coach before I go read for the director. I took myself back to this coach like three or four times before I went. went and did the read saying director's like great and then I left and he's like oh he's fantastic but he's too old for the part I was like oh god god because they literally said if he can sing it's his and I was like okay so anyway so no I'm not I'm not a singer but for this audition for for happy Hans you had to sing something right and there's one younger guy had already been cast as one of the roles and me and a girl and me and the girls were auditioning for two different parts and so I go in and I went to sing my song which was going to be turn on your

Love Flight by the Blues Brothers 2000. Oh my God. And I went to sing it and I just totally lost it. And the kid who had already been castes like sing itsy Pitsy Spider. Just sing it. It's like, no, no, no, I got this. Like, do you want us to come back to you? Like totally thinking like, okay, this kid's not going to be the guy because he can't even. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, just go to her and I'll get it. I'll get it. And so I'm sitting. I'm like, how does the song start? How does it start? She starts singing and like it comes back to me. I was like, okay, cool. So she finishes and I was like, they're like, are you good? I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm good. And I just started belting this song and you could see him immediately go like oh he's like going I performed it like

exactly how the kid performed it in the movie like I was like walking around the stage like dropping down to a knee like how old are you oh nine and what they say and they're like at the end of there's like clap in and then like I think it was like that night or something like yeah it's his it's his part it's her art so like that was my first job you've got balls I was like that's you know that's the thing where does it come from that you sort of You know, because growing up, you played baseball competitively. I mean, you had a scholarship to Arizona State. Yeah.

You went to the College World Series. You were, you know, I almost, well, I was on the team that went. Yeah. Team that went. I was on surgery. Right. Right. Right.

Right. Where does it? Where do you think confidence begins for a child? Um, it's for me, it starts with the parents. Yeah. Yeah. For sure, parents. They always supported you.

They always made you feel smart. They always made you feel like competent like you could do that. this. Yeah. They were always like that. Yeah, parents, coaches, big time. Parents and coaches, but I still say the biggest, probably one of these single greatest influences on my life outside of my immediate family was my high school baseball coach. Like, and my coaches prior to that. Like my coaches from probably my coaches from the time I was like maybe nine. See, coaches always seem like mostly assholes to me. Yeah, but I love that. I love that. And I think it's still important. I don't like I. You don't like sugar coaching.

No. Oh, I hate it. I hate it. I agree. Like, everybody gets a trophy. I hate it, man. That's not, but your kid needs to know if this isn't right for him. Yes. Don't waste his time. Her time. Have you seen Whiplash? Their time. Whiplash? Yeah. One of my favorite movies. Love it. And I tell, so I was dating somebody one time. No. Perfect. Perfect for this example. I was dating somebody one time. And she had not grown up with sports. She grew up in arts. And so we watched that movie. And when that movie ended, I was like, if you want to know what, my life was like from nine to 21 playing baseball that that's what that aggressive yeah oh yeah like you're worthless yeah that's absolutely terrible pretty close your eye wasn't even on the ball where you throwing the freaking ball oh yeah oh yeah and it didn't phase you no it was great it didn't you never got rattled no because it's like you know i'm gonna make you shut the fuck up that's what i'm gonna do really yeah yeah see that's that i'm way more negatively motivated like that than i am by positive encouragement which i know maybe is like there's you know some There's different opinions on how healthy that is.

I think you're right. But it's like, I'll prove you're wrong. It's like, you know what? You know what? I don't want to hear you say that anymore. So I'm just going to do what I need to do to not hear you say that. Or to change your mind. Because I can.

I can. You're right. I could have done that better. And that result would not have happened. And then I want to have to listen to you. Talk to me. So my high school coach was really good with this stuff where like the first year, year and a half I was in high school. We were terrified of him.

Because like I played for, I played for coach. which is like that literally since I was nine or 10. There was a guy, I want to name his name, but there was a guy that I played for when I was nine, 10 years old who was that intense. Like, maybe almost the most intense coach I played for. You are terrible!

Oh, dude. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was. And you never responded to him. You never barked back. You never. No.

He's like, he's a coach. Did I do it right? No, I didn't. So whose fault is it? Like, I didn't do it right. But did your parents ever hear your coaches talk to you like that and say, hey, don't talk to my son that way.

Never. never that didn't happen until i got into high school and the kids below me's parents started doing that and i saw the shift you resented those kids oh yeah for bitching about it oh yeah i was like put put your big pants on hey how about this how about you be better yeah how about you be better and then you don't have to hear it that's an easy solution that that's that's the coaching i grew up with and i know that's not i know that's not in keeping with what's in and everything right now but i i agree that there are it made you who you are yeah and i agree there are versions of it that are healthier than others. Do I think it's good to sit there and berate somebody? No. Do I think

that pushing somebody and actually making them uncomfortable enough to get better is important? Yes. If you're comfortable, why are you going to change? If it's comfortable for you, then what what motivation do you have to change me that's working for you? It makes me think. Now that I think about it, because even, you know, it translates into acting. And really in everything you do in many ways um if someone's like that's great that's great oh can we try that's great but let's try it like that i'd rather have some you know it depends there's there's ways of doing it every actor's different yeah but you wouldn't care if a director's like absolutely doing it the wrong way that's not how i wanted all right cool i was terrible you'd be okay with that yeah oh i got me

the best i hate i hate coddling i hate sugar coating i hate coddling i like so i wrote i wrote something one time. It's the only thing I wrote and that we sold eventually. But like, when I sent it to the producers I was working with, I was like, guys, there are two acceptable responses when you read this. This is great. We can sell it. Or that's very cute that you tried. We're going to get a real writer. I was like, those are the only two things I want to hear. I don't want to hear. It's good. I want to hear like, oh, I really enjoyed it, but I don't want to hear any of that. You said that. Yeah. It's an email. I was like, two acceptable responses, one of these two. And they read it. And they're like, we can sell it.

I'm like, great, let's go. Don't give me the middle ground. I hate that. So then when I started getting notes on it, it felt like that. And I was like, guys, I don't care how I feel after I read what you have to say. I don't care. I don't care if I'm just like, wow, they hated it. Great.

I know how much you want me to change now. I'll adjust. If you go like, we really, really liked it, we just want, well, then I'm just going to do that. If you say, I really didn't enjoy it. and here's why like fantastic i can use that i ever get your feelings hurt have you ever been uh because it sounds like you're very strong yeah like emotionally yeah um does that translate into other uh aspects of your life are you uh when you watch a movie would you ever cry oh yeah you get emotional i feel i still feel you're sap yeah i'm just resilient it's just it's resiliency

right that's what my coach always said he's like this is resiliency it's perseverance it's How many times can you feel the bad stuff and just work through it? Because that's what it is. What have you cried about? Oh, breakups, games that I've lost, times where I could have been better at something. You know, I could have done better. What about watching something for the first time and being really overwhelmed by how great it turned out? Oh, dude.

I cry at sports all the time. I cry. I watch or I watch like, I'll watch like reunion videos of like I'll see like a soldier that. that comes back and like surprises the kids or something and just like, oh, dude, yeah. I'm not, I'm not emotionally void. No, no, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying you're very strong. So I'm just wondering, you know, what it would take

to kind of like make you kind of like, oh, anything, any, anything that like tugs at the heart or anything like any kind of loss, any kind of like, I could have been better. I could have done this. I could have done that. Any of that stuff will still get me. It's more of like, there's a, there's a,

you ever hear this, I say it's a book, but it's not. It's like a lecture series. is Bernay Brown, the power of vulnerability. I've heard of it, yes. So I went through a breakup, and I listened to that immediately. And dude, that, you want to talk about, I was sobbing for days, like, every single lesson. Everything she talks about is really hurt you.

Oh, yeah. It was like the first, like, really, really bad breakup I'd gone through. The one where I afterwards was like, oh, I need to call all my friends who went through breakups where I was like, dude, it's been like a few months. Like, you've got to get past this. Like, you got to let it go. Then I had that one. I was like, oh.

And I called a couple of friends. I'm like, hey, man. like I'm sorry I had no idea you don't understand it until you go through it I remember that too like oh I really feel bad about your dog and I do yeah and I'm there yeah and then once I lost the dog now anytime anybody loses a dog I just am like oh my god anytime anytime anytime somebody says to me like I'm just going through a breakup I'm like how you doing how you doing I'm like I'm here to talk as long as you want to talk what do you want talk about it's tough it's it's rough man it's rough so like I listen to that that audio

lecture series and that was that was one of the most important things I listened to because they gave me the balance like coming from the sports world and coming from that like because everything was always like look if it's not constructive in one ear and out the other and I was like that's a great lesson if it's not constructive it's just noise right just let it go yeah who cares and that's been super helpful with Twitter and Instagram and comments and everything like all that stuff over the years you know some people get messed up by that and rightfully so it's like it's it's so true You can read a thousand nice things and you read one negative one. That's the only one you're going to remember.

I think baseball helped you incredibly with your career as an actor. Massive. Because facing rejection is absolutely the one thing that happens over and over and over in this industry. And if you don't have thick skin. Oh, yeah. And if you can't take it and if you can't say, I'm going to improve and you can't fight for what you want and have that. you know that inside you that yeah and that's power that's a that's a powerful thing to have right and if you're not confident in yourself if you're not confident that you could do a good job if you're

yeah those things will bite you in the ass yeah and i think that that you know look your uh childhood you know having loving parents mixed in with having some tough love and tough coaches into this yeah it i think that's why you're you're in a lot of ways fearless um you know it's It's helpful, totally fearless, but I mean, I got to a point where, but I've also been in it long enough. I was a kid. It's almost been 30 years since I've been in it. So it's like, but 100% like baseball was great for me for so many reasons. One, it just gave me something else to focus on other than just doing this as a kid where it was like, this is everything. Yeah. So it was always a little bit of that. Very humbling to have teammates that like, it was on a show in high school that aired on Mondays. So Tuesday, every Tuesday, I was like, God, God, and here we go. Here we go. It's going to be a long day today. What show is that? 7th Heaven. Oh, Seventh Heaven, right? Yeah, Barry Watson, isn't he a lovely guy? Yeah, oh, Barry was very, very nice guy. Everybody was great on that show. I've been super lucky, man. Every show I've been on, amazing people, amazing people.

Yeah, when you film Teen Wolf, you started to interrupt, but you, you roomed with the two guys. I did. First year was me, Posey, and Dylan in a three-bedroom apartment. It was great. And you guys are still tight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, everybody's, you know, doing their own thing now and everything. But, yeah, I mean, most of my best friends are still from that show. So, you know, I'm very lucky. I'm very lucky. I worked with great people on on everything I've been on, but, you know, Tuesday's, Tuesday practice was, uh, let's Ream Tyler. It was just, we'd jog out to center field, stretch the calves, go back to the left field line. And as soon as we got in our stretch lines, it's just like, all right, all right. So who else to go first?

And they just like, stupid shit I said on the show the night before. Did you love it? Oh, it was great. It's the best. Yeah. Because deep down, you know they were jealous. Oh, no, they weren't jealous. They'd love me.

I, the cool thing was half of those guys I'd played ball with since I was probably, probably like, I don't know, probably since I was like eight or nine years old. So we'd all known each other, maybe not always on the same team, but against each other. And so we all kind of knew each other. Yeah. Did you play with anybody who ever made it to the major leagues? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, played with, um, Ike Davis was my roommate. He played for a while, yeah?

Dude, I loved Ike Davis. I know. He was the man. He was the man. So I still one of my best buddies. He was my roommate at ASU. Mike Leak was on that team. Andrew Romine was on that team.

Eric Sogarde was on that team. um who else did i players that got to the bigs uh played a bunch of guys in high school i mean moustacus and wow yeah moustacus yeah yeah yeah we all played on the same time do you ever still imagine yourself or have dreams of making the major leagues or every day every day like because i still think of you know like i just did this thing where i played hockey on tv i saw that yeah yeah and i just was like it was so excited because as a kid that's all I wanted to do was play I wanted to be in the NHL yeah I want to you know and I still have dreams of that I'm obviously old and whatever but um so especially someone who you know played yeah like competitive baseball like scholarship

Arizona State play with these guys so you still think about that stuff oh every day every day you play video games baseball and you're like now batting number four no but if you gave me if you said hey you can do whatever you want for a year you do whatever you do whatever you want. I'd be like, I want to play a major league season. I want to play shortstop. I want to play shortstop and hitting the two-hole for a full major league season. Hey folks, it's me, Michael Rosenbaum. Listen, if you're a supporter of the podcast, if you're enjoying these interviews, we ask you if you can join Patreon, patreon.com slash inside of you, and help the podcast. It's a great way to build a community and friends, and there's a lot of benefits. There's

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Download the Rocket Money app today and tell them you heard about them from my show. If you played, devoted yourself for the next year of just training, working out, ground balls to shortstop,

practicing your infield, batting cages, did everything. And I shot a documentary of you just trying to see if you can make the cut. Yeah. Called making the cut. Yeah.

And it's your dream and seeing if you have what it takes. Do you think you're too old or do you think you'd have a decent chance? I'd try it. I'd try it. I don't know. I'm probably not going to make a squad. But I go out and play a 90-mile-an-hour fastball. Defense was always my best thing.

So I know my defense could come back. Like the only thing would be like, how's my shoulder going to hold up? But I could get out and play defense again. But they have stem cell and they have all these other things, man. You know, I got a guy in Dallas. They got Adam Sewell, man. Oh, man. If you have like, yeah, he does.

Might have a book of flight. Centa, PDPA, placenta injections, protein injections in your joints. Dude. And things like, it's crazy. It's crazy what they do now, man. But like, I'm working with this guy right now. I'm not like, it's still one of those things where I want to get a little further in the process with it before I really start talking about. But I'm working with this guy who was my trainer on, on Teen Wolf.

And we've been working together for a little. like the last three months completely new style of training and it is I've had back pain in my and like and shoulder stuff since I was 18 and me too and this is the first time in 20 years I don't have pain there after three months well what is and it's been gone for what is he doing it's all a bunch of like it's a whole system but uh the easiest way to sum it up is it's a bunch of kind like these like in a way isometric extreme holds positions and but you're constantly pulling yourself into a more and more extreme position um and it's like dude if you just watch the workout it looks like probably maybe the easiest workout you ever seen compared to like you know sitting

like doing reps doing reps and doing this whole thing and lifting the weights and stuff I haven't I haven't lifted a dumbbell in three months can you introduce me to this guy 100% He's in L.A.? 100%. No, he's, he moves around a bit. He's like, he's New York, New York, Atlanta, L.A. But I'd love to get a session with him. It is the most effective thing I've ever done. Like, it's crazy.

I didn't do any, I don't do any weights. And it's just, I mean, the recovery is crazy. Do you take anti-inflammatories at all for your pains? Nothing. You don't take any drugs. You don't do drugs. You don't do any of that stuff. You have a couple of drinks here and there.

That's it. Yeah. Even that's kind of tapered off. I like to have a cocktail. Like if we're out celebrating someone and we're at dinner, I'll have a cocktail and stuff. But like honestly, like I, I, uh, you don't need it. No.

And I've gone through a couple different stretches where I just go like completely off. And, uh, I was like, you know what? Just take a little break. And then after a few months, I'm like, man, I don't. And also here's the, here's the kicker. For me, I actually end up being more social. That's, that's why I, and when I take a break from it, I don't go back to it quickly. Because it's like, after a few months, I actually know.

it's like, oh, I'm actually like, I'm actually out and being more social and personable and having a better time. And then when I do have a couple drinks, I actually start to close off a little bit. So I'm like, oh, I'm not even like, I'm not even accomplishing what they're to identify things about yourself. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I actually have a better time. So, so it's like, you know, I have no problem with it. I have no problem to go out and enjoy yourself. But it's just for me, I'm like, I actually have a better time when I'm not. So road to perdition. Yeah. You auditioned. There's 2,000 people kids that auditioned. Yeah. How old were you? I was 13. 12. 12.

13 did you how many auditions for this did you go on to what was the second reading with sam mendes just me and sam in the room and were you nervous no no i didn't know to be nervous did did you you got it in the in the room he did one of the i think maybe the only time that's ever happened wow sam mendes says you want the role yeah yeah so that the story is my my that's max alan collins uh yeah who wrote it I just did a 10-part audio series. I was the lead role and I worked with him. He's the most beautiful man ever.

It's called True Noir. It's great. It's a really cool series. But go ahead. Oh, dope. That's awesome. Yeah. So my brother, I want to close on this point on the earlier thing real quick.

Oh, yeah. Did I interrupt you? No, no, no, no. No, no. We veered off and I just want to go back to it. Because I think it's such an important piece, this Brunee Brown thing. The cool thing about that is because as a guy, especially nowadays, everybody talked about vulnerability and modern masculinity on the stuff the great thing about that was you're talking about being like emotionally strong this this lecture series was so great because it gave you such a great framework of how to be how to genuinely be vulnerable and comfortable in those emotions and not have these walls up and not be unfeeling but still like that coupled with how I grew up with sports and coaches and tough love and hard coaching those two things combined is what I've been really

really appreciative of moving forward now. Because I can be very, very in touch with those things and aware of those things. I can communicate those things clearly without breaking down. I can still be that strong, but I have access to those tools. So I would highly recommend that to anybody. Anybody that's like struggling and like being in relationships and being able to communicate and express how you feel without feeling like, oh, I'm being too soft or I'm being to this, that's a great, great lecture series to check out on. So anyway, we'll see. Side note. But no, but to add to your point, it's like all these things like your, your parents, your upbringing, your, your coaching and also being adaptable. Yeah. And saying like, I don't have everything together. I'm willing to read this book and learn more about myself. I'm willing to get something from this person. I'm willing. You know, you're, we're malleable. You know, we're open. Why would you want to feel like there's not room to improve? Well, a lot of people think that. A lot of people are listening right now thinking, no, I'm the way I am. This is just the way it is. I know. But I felt that about myself a lot where I'm like,

this is just how you are and you're just going to live it. And this is how good. And you get in your own head and it's like, poor me and bullshit. And it's like at some point you got to step up and just say, I want to make these changes. Yeah. I'm going to make these changes.

Yeah. And it's not about taking, you know, taking off in a sprint. It's just like try one little thing. Yeah. I always say try one little thing in your routine to change one of the bad things. Yeah. Then add something. Yeah.

Slowly just kind of implement that in your life. Yeah. And see how you feel. Yeah. And it's an amazing feeling that just on a day where you do nothing. Yeah. Compared to a day where you just like maybe have a light workout or go for a little hike. Oh yeah. How you go, well, you know, I did accomplish something today. I did this. Yep. It's it's small, the little accomplishments are just as important as the big accomplishment. Oh, it's momentum. It's momentum. You can't do it all at once. It's like, it's like if you don't work out for a year and then you go back to the gym and you're like, I'm going to do, I'm going to do the same exercise I did the last time I went to the gym. When you been going for six months straight. It's like, yeah, great. Now you can't work out for six months again. Yeah, take it easy. Slow. Momentum. It's momentum. But it's the same way I feel about the same way I feel about people who never want to say anything is their fault. I'm like, why would you ever want it to be anything other than your fault? If it's your fault, you can fix it. If it's your fault, you can do something. See, that's a major problem. But because that, like, I'm not saying to make everything your fault. I'm just saying. Own it. Yes, but yes, if there's an opportunity to

find where you could have done something to affect a more positive outcome? Only way you're going to change. Why wouldn't you want that opportunity? Only way you're going to change. So for me, like, anytime something goes on, I'm like, okay, I kind of hope this is my fault. Because if it's my fault, I can do something about it either right now or next time this comes up. Whereas if it's the other person, it's like, so what? You're just going to be constantly hoping everybody else figures it out for you all the time. Try growing up with people that never owned anything. Yeah. Never said, I'm sorry. Never said. I'm sorry. Never said it's my fault.

How could you have that? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I just, I never heard it was always, it was always my fault. So, but, but then when it's always your fault, you start to believe it, you're like, I'm a fucking worthless piece of shit. Yeah, well, that's, that's the, that's the far side of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, um, but then you start to believe, then you start to realize you, you, you grow up and you, um, begin to think more and understand more and, and, and acknowledge things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And start to think, that wasn't my fault. Yeah. That wasn't my fucking fault at all. that's on them yeah that's on that person yeah and that's also being open to like reading that book yeah to listen to people who have experiences yeah man so that that's that's huge and it's you know

I always say you know some people are like I don't do therapy I don't get any therapy like you know do you just not have anything to talk about no no well yeah if it just bottles up I know myself if I don't talk about something it just festers and I'm not aware of it I'm like why do I feel irritable. Why do I feel this? Because I have so much to get out. Have you ever gone to therapy? I've never gone. But I have nothing against it. Like I have nothing against it. And I'm never, I'm not one of those like, oh, never kind of people. And that's, then that's kind of like, again, that journey of like I don't see anything negative about it. I don't see anything like, oh, that's too soft or that's not met. None of that stuff. I've just never felt the need to go to it. A,

because I do have some friends who I'm very, like, I have a few friends in my life. Like, we talk about everything yeah everything everything and it and none of it is ever that whole like oh man someone did this and that was that was messed up or someone did this and like I you know I just keep getting screwed over like no no it's it's always like hey this happened I'm trying to figure out maybe how I could have handled it differently how I could have been better about it I could have been better about it how I could have been this and I have a few friends like we'll talk about everything yeah and very good about being open and honest about those things so I've never gotten to the point with anything where I go like I keep running from this or I keep hiding this or

this is like getting bottled up. So I just haven't gone because I felt like I've gotten that response from the people and I've had that outlet with people. So I mean, I have nothing against it. What I, my thing on therapy is like, what I don't like is the everyone has to be in therapy. Because it's a little bit like, I'm like, look,

if you have cancer, you should get chemotherapy probably. But if you don't, why are you going? So there's a bit of me that's like, I agree with therapy. I think therapy is amazing. for people who need it. Right. But I don't think everybody needs it.

I don't think everybody needs it. Could it benefit everybody? Yeah, probably sure. But yes, but I will say there are a lot of people who don't think they need therapy.

100%. Absolutely need therapy. 100%. But that's another, that's a whole other level. And that's my thing. If I was, if I ever confronted something

where I was like, I'm not handling this in the way that I know I could best be handling it and I'm not getting the information or the feedback from friends or people that I trust who have been in those,

similar experiences, I need to go talk to someone. I would, I would do it in a second. Yeah, absolutely. Did you, how many seasons did Lois and Superman and Lois go? Four years. Now, were you upset that it only went four years? You know what, man, it is what it is. It worked out, it worked out just how it's supposed to work out. Because people loved it. There was a big, there's tons of fans. Yeah. You go to cons, people are crazy about you. Yeah. Like, were you just like, why did we go four seasons? Why didn't, was there any party that was like, how did we not go five or six or seven seasons? reasons like all these other series or maybe TV's changing or maybe whatever I think there's a lot of things I

think there's a lot of things you break down what happened and why and everything probably could could get into but for me again like I always said I feel like this role found me for a reason you weren't seeking no no so I was always very happy to be like I'm here to service it for as long as it requires me to be here so if it's four years if it's 10 years if it's whatever it is I was like I'm just here to, I'm just here to do what's asked. So it wasn't like, like, I wish, do I wish I could have kept working with those people? Because I loved everybody on that crew and on that cast. Yeah, 100%.

100%. But am I sitting here being like, oh man, I wish I was still playing Superman? Like, no. But not because I didn't enjoy it, just because I never wished to. I never had any expectations with it. It was always just like, again, even when like, when I went to talk to Greg, we were going to talk about just, I thought we were just to talk about other things. like Indiana Jones or something.

I was like, I want to do like an action-adventure thing. And then this came up. And so I was sitting there going like, all right, look, this thing keeps coming back to you. And maybe there's a reason for it. So I was always very, very happy to just hold the place until it was my time to move on and let the next. So you weren't bummed? I was bummed that I wasn't going to work with those people anymore. But I wasn't bummed that I wasn't going to play that character anymore.

That show. Did Greg call you? I talked to Sarah Schechter when we were kind of like, because it was like, dude, the fact that that show even went four seasons in the years that we had it with COVID the first two years and then the strike, like the fact that we got through all that and then the WB discovery thing, everything that happened to CW sale. Like, it's a miracle we did four seasons. But I got a call from Sarah going into the fourth season saying, hey, we're going to get a fourth to wrap things up. And I was like, Great. Awesome. Cool. So, but again, I was, you know, I was always kind of like, hey, like, it is what it is. I'm, I'm so content with whatever this requires of me, man. Like, I'm not, you know. And we wouldn't have met if it wasn't for Christy Corsick. Yeah, I know. Who we love. Happy birthday to her.

Happy birthday. Um, no, she's amazing. She's just the nicest freaking person in the world. Yes. She's so full of love and gratitude. I just wish everyone could be like that woman. Yeah. She is.

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Was it Em? Yes. You were. Yeah. And you didn't take it? Yeah. And why didn't you take it? Because I was getting ready to start my first season at UC Irvine for baseball.

And I would have had to miss the first four weeks of the season. Was it a tough decision? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I was driving into the parking structure to go to my Greek mythology class and my agent or my manager called. I think my manager called and said, hey, so they're casting this guy, Robert Pattinson for Edward, who I had auditioned for.

They're like, so they're casting Robert for Edward, but they want you to play the brother, Emmett. And I said, okay, when do they need an answer? And they're like pretty quick. So I think this was like, once I was this is January. So I skipped my class. And I called. You miss Agamemnon, Agamemnon. And Clytemestra and all the Greek tragedies.

I still passed the class, thankfully. Good. I barely did too. That's actually one of the only classes. I was like, I love that class. I wanted to take that class really bad. And so I skipped class. I called my parents.

I called some family friends. I called my buddy, who was a scout with the white socks and asked him, like, hey, you know, if I do this, what does that look like? So at this point, so we're two weeks out from the season starting. UC Irvine, I had just transferred from Arizona State. UC Irvine had eliminated us in Omaha the year before. We were preseason top 10, picked to go back to Omaha, and I had just been named the starting second baseman, and the guy who was behind me at the time was hurt.

So I get this call. We need you to come up there, and I was going to miss the first, like, four weeks of the season. So I skipped class, I made all these calls, and then I had to go to practice. I had to go to weights. and I was like, I remember sitting outside the locker room

in the hallway that went up to like the press box and I was sobbing with my my buddy and my roommate at the time, Sean Madigan. I was sitting there and I was like telling him what's going on and he's like, dude, I don't know. I don't know how to death. And I talked to my agent and he was like, look,

he's like it's kind of like, it was kind of like, not only like an indie film, but it was like, you know, it wasn't twilight. No one that big, right. He's like, look, it could be something that comes and goes and no one really ever cares about or it could be the biggest thing in the world. It was the biggest thing in the world. It was like, so I sat there and I was like sobbing outside the locker room.

I think one other guy came by. He was like, you're good? I'm like, yeah, I'm fine, man. I'm fine. And then like, I'm a pretty chipper, upbeat, energetic guy. Very optimistic all the time. And so at Waits, it was like the one time where I was just like, I didn't talk to anybody. I was so in my head and I was just doing, I looked at the wall and I saw what I had to do. And I was just doing the sets and putting it down, walking away, coming back, doing my set, putting it down. And like, a couple people went up to my buddy. He was like, it was heck okay. And he's like, he's like, yeah, he's figuring something out.

So go through the whole day and I finally talked to my buddy who was the scout again. And he's like, look, I mean, end of the day, if you go and do this, like, you know, Gillespie might let you come back and play at Irvine. He's like, but as a scout, he's like, I'm going to have a real hard time convincing an organization that we should draft a guy who, you know, left to go do a movie right before the season started. And I'm like, yeah, no, I get it. And so I called Catherine Hardwick. And I was like, hey, she's like, are you coming up to Oregon?

I was like, Catherine, I was like, ah, I'm so grateful. I really appreciate it. I was like, but like, I've got 30 guys here who have been killing themselves for the last few months to make a run at this World Series again. And like, I'd be letting every one of them down if I left. And I just, I can't do that. And she's like, we got a baseball scene in the movie. And I was like, I know. I know.

I was like, I hope you guys have a great time. I really appreciate it. I was like, but I got to, I got to respectfully say no. That's, that's crazy. that's crazy yeah but you don't regret it no not at all i had strictly i mean for that whole season for i mean for my whole life to that life experience i don't regret it just because i got to continue to play ball and already when i left i felt like i stopped too soon i went through like an identity crisis for like seven years after i stopped playing so like i needed those years um uh and then it led

to another movie which i'll tell you about but like um just for this one at bat that i had against lSU and the super regional i'll never forget that at bad whatever I'll never forget that. So it was, so we, we'd won the first game. What number you were? Eight? I wore 14 was my number 14 was my number and then when I got to college 14 was retired at ASU so I picked 32 because I wore 14

because my older brother were 14 then I went to college and in college he went from 14 to 32 14 was retired at ASU so I wore 32 then I went to UC Irvine and our Friday night starter was number 32 so I picked number four because I was ready to have 14 so I went

four yeah there you go there you go there I just threw it out there good guess Lou Gehrig man Um, and so, uh, what was I saying? Um, at LSU. At LSU. So we win the first game. It's a super regional. So best, best of three goes to Omaha. We win the first game. Second game. We're up seven to four in the top of the ninth. And we're the home team that game because it switches. So we need three outs and we go to Omaha. We're up by three. And we had our all American closer on the mound had not given up more than one run in the ninth inning the whole season. So we go. LSU gets this crazy, crazy rally. The place that we lost, what happened was we actually would have got out of it, except it was so loud there.

Our third baseman couldn't hear our coach trying to move him back. So me and one other guy with a one out and bases loaded, sprint to the end of the dugout and we're like, gosh! And we give him the sign to back up. As he looks over and sees the sign and goes to take his first step, the guy hits a chopper that goes this far over his glove at third base and these runs score. And if we had had him back where we wanted him, he would have been like one step in, catch it, step on third, go to first or catch it second to first, out of the game. We go to Omaha. So it goes this far over his glove and the inning keeps going. So we end up going down nine seven. And the guy that they had on the mound had been pitching for I think like the last three innings. And it had gone like one, two three, one two three. And just like nine guys sat him down. So he goes back out for the bottom of the ninth. And my coach goes, heck, you're your pinch hitting. You're in. And I was like, how many men on? Nobody to start the inning. to start the inning.

So I hadn't, trying to think about it had it had it bad in that series yet. I don't think I hadn't a bad in that series yet. Now batting number four, Tyler Hecklin. Yep. So I go up to hit. It is the first time in my life where they say like you can't hear yourself think. Can't hear yourself think.

You can't. It was so loud there. There's this old Alex Box Stadium. They had those like tin roof on it. And the fans there, dude. So I hate LSU because we eventually lost that series. Right. But if I could go back and play college baseball again,

Oh my God, LSU. First place I would go. The environment there was insane. And I can't say that because actually the first place, go to UC Irvine. My buddy's coach there now. So if you're watching this and you play ball, go to Irvine. Those guys are great. But what happened at the bat?

So I go up. I have to take sign. Guy throws a ball. So then obviously take sign again. Ball two. Take sign again. Guy throws, you can watch it on YouTube. He clearly throws ball three.

It wasn't like, oh, maybe. It's clearly ball three. But the umpire called it a strike. And so the announcers even go, it's three and no. And they go, oh, oh, no, he called that a strike. Oh, it's two. It's two and one. So now I have the green light to swing.

Guy throws another ball. So now it's three ones. And now I have the take sign again. So now he throws another strike. So now it's a full count. And I've really not even been allowed to think about swinging yet. This guy's gotten like the last nine guys out in a row. So I'm sitting there.

The place gets that loud to where like every thought is just gone. It's just rattle. Like you almost feel like your eyes rattling. It was that loud. And this guy throws. a fastball and I hit it. I thought I got it pretty good. I didn't know I got it that good. The left fielder is like on a dead sprint to left center gap. And I'm I just head down thinking like triple, triple. If it's off the wall and it creams like I'm on third base. So I'm just

sprinting, sprinting, sprinting. And I hit first base and I look up and I just see this guy on the ground and the fans going crazy. And I'm thinking like, I don't, what happened? So then I kind of hit second base and I keep run to third and my coach is like he got it man he got it and I was like what and I watched the replay the left fielder was a guy named Jared Mitchell who eventually eventually I believe was a first round draft pick he was also a wide receiver for LSU football most amazing catch you'd ever say oh dude him with this guy I want to say his name was Landry and center field they in that series made so many ridiculous catches it was outrageous but he full sprint into left center gap and just laid out and like into the wall like hit his neck

and caught the ball. But I'll never forget that at that. And so years later, everybody wants some is casting the Richard Link later. I was going to ask you about that. Yeah. And they were like, it was a fun movie, man.

It was a fun movie, man. It was a fun movie. But the audition for it was, there's a very long story behind this. Baseball audition. Yeah, to a degree, to a degree, but originally they weren't going to see me for it. And so I kind of had to like,

we persuaded them to let me send in the self-tape, essentially. And the thing was like, we want to hear like an anecdote from high school. If you have any sports experience and, you know, one or two other things. And they're like, but it needs to be under five minutes. And so I kept trying to do this thing at home by myself. And I couldn't get it under five minutes because it was just like, it just kept going on. So my girlfriend who was an actress at the time, I was like, I can't get this done? Can you come help me? And so she comes over. And I was like, I feel like I'm trying to answer each one of these questions. But like my life was baseball like in high school like it's all the same all these questions are one thing to me she's like

say that yeah so I did I got this thing and I said hey look you know I'm trying to do this format you guys are asking for us but honestly like they're they're all so blended together for me I'm like my life was baseball like I that's I ate it I slept it I dreamt it like that was like that was my life I was like so anything is this and then an experience I talked about was that at bat at LSU and then I from what they told me I was ended up being the first one cast for that film so it was like crazy just like full circle i was like oh dude i'm you're right where you're supposed to be man you're right where you're supposed to be like see what happens when you just say you know there there are certain rules or certain things that people want yeah but sometimes you just got to go with

your heart or your gut yeah and just take a chance like what do you have to lose you know what the best part was my you know teammates being supportive when twilight opened my two of my teammates had me go with them and i think a couple girls to go watch that movie and we showed up at the irvine spectrum and the line was around the shopping center it was so long and like once we saw it and it came out and made what it made and got greenlit for like four more movies they're like dude you're a fucking idiot you should have done that movie i'm like you guys are i said no to be here for you guys it's like yeah you're dumb ass you should have done that all right this is i can't believe we have this but this is shit talking with tyler hecklin this is uh fast rapid fire yeah these are

my top tier patrons, uh, inside of you, uh, inside of you, uh, inside of you, uh, inside of you. Uh, Julie, which of the prior actors who played Superman inspire your, your iteration. I just still haven't seen them. You haven't seen them. You never saw him. No. All right. That's fair enough. And, and, and once I knew I was going to do it, I was just like, I don't want to, I don't want to have things to avoid. I don't want to have things I feel like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I played Lex Luthor, I didn't want to do anything. I just was like, I'll play it real. I'll play it. I'll play it. I'll play it. Yeah. I don't want to know anything. Honestly, like, like, like, like really, I'm doing it. I'm doing it.

Like pops, especially the Clark Kent stuff. Raj, tell me about the best birthday gift you ever received. Was an autograph? Yeah, yeah. Actually, no, for whatever reason, the one that pops up in my head is like my parents got me this Tim Salmon J.T. Snow signed poster and $100 because I just wanted to have $100. I think it was like my eighth or ninth birthday. Jesus.

Yeah. Melissa M., now that you stepped into the boots of a superhero, would you consider playing a DC or Marvel villain? Oh, yeah. Yeah, like that. Taylor R., what made you most nervous about the role of Superman? I wasn't. I feel like such a douche back.

Would you play it again? Yeah, of course. Yeah, I had a blast. Linda, Anne, would you call yourself brave? Depends on the situation.

There's sharks involved? No. You don't like sharks. I don't, man. I love to serve. I love to serve. I just can't do it. Yeah.

Just can't. I can't serve Malibu. Would you do another teen wolf movie? Yeah. I love those guys. You loved it. Yeah. I just love those people.

I would totally go back and do it again. And like, dude, that show has just been. it's some crazy phenomenon that's yeah i mean give the people what they want do you ever work with assholes you ever worked with an asshole you don't have to mention one him or her was it was it was it was it was it one in particular was it and you say that with conviction thank god it was only for a day and it was not good no it was like literally like every caricature of like an actor on set that you've ever been told i was like oh my god you're a real person like you actually exist

was it on superman and lois no no no no it was on something before something something something But really, like, did you say anything to the person? No, no, because I was just there. And I was just like, I just looking around everybody that has to do that like every day. And I was like, man, I'm so sorry. You guys have to like live this on a daily basis. That sucks. If I guess who it is, do you get to, do you get to say?

I don't want to say. I don't have problem telling people like one on one in conversations before talking about work stuff. But like I have a feeling I have an idea. You might. You might. Maybe we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it after. Yeah.

This has been an absolute delight. And you loved working with Elizabeth on Superman. Oh, dude, I mean, come on. You guys are still close? Yeah, yeah. We had as much fun as you possibly could have had making that show. Like, we just, we have the same, we have the same language as far as like, a lot of the same love languages as far as like teasing and just joking around.

So we just gave each other shit all the time. And it was just so fun. It's just like chill. Anything going on now? Anything new? Are you just kind of chilling now? I'm taking a break right now, man. I want to see like those, those years with like, those years with like, those.

the first year being the COVID lockdown of shooting and then being back up there for the second season and kind of still feeling that. And then I never really made it back and forth as much as I thought I would. It's like, been a lot of time away from family and a lot of friends that I've like, I saw a buddy the other day. And I was like, it's the first time I met his kid and his kid's like four. And I was like, dude. That's what this business does. This just goes by too fast, man. So like, if there's something that comes up that I'm super, super stoked about, there's some things that we're like developing that it's going to take some time. But like, if there's something that's amazing that I'm like I have to go do this right now I will but that's what I'm

looking for right now other than that I'm like I want to be available to have lunch I want to be available to have dinner come to a podcast I want to go I want to go hit in the cages with my nephews like I want to do that for a minute and if someone comes up that's like I'm like I'm supposed to be there then I'll be there but I don't want to just go do something to do something right now so can you hit a 90 mile an hour fastball yeah I think so I think it's still hit 90. I mean, you put me in the cage for a minute, but yeah, I can still get there. You pick it right up, huh? It's all in the timing. I'm going to pick it right up. I actually went and took batting practice in my old high school a few weeks ago. Did you get to like 100 swings?

Yeah, my coach is just throwing them in, man. It's great. I actually didn't feel, again, these workouts, I'm telling you, I would have been dead. I would have been dead the next day if this was like six months ago. How long after you feel the isometric when you start doing it? Is it like a couple weeks? You start to feel it? Dude, my posture, my posture changed in a matter of I don't want to exaggerate and say days, but days. I was waking up in the morning being like, oh, my God. Like, I felt like I was walking. For me now to exaggerate my posture, like, I have to almost bend up and look at the ceiling to feel the way I used to feel to just pull my shoulders back.

Like, it's crazy. I want to get this guy's number. Yeah, it's nuts. I want to try it. It's awesome. I will say it's the most effective thing I've ever done. You have a dog? I don't.

I travel too much. I'm in out of town all the time. You're just a loner, man. I've got like. A loner, dying. A rebel. I think I've got like 20 flights between now and the end of May. Good.

Actually, not even that. Maybe the end of April. Are you going to Cleveland this weekend? Cleveland, yeah. I'll be in Cleveland. Cleveland, Australia, New Zealand, Australia, Puerto Rico, Calgary. That's all between now and the end of April. I need a nap just hearing.

Dude, this has been awesome. I could honestly. I know. I honestly talk to you forever. I mean, I can sit here, but, you know, it's an hour is an hour. I don't like to do more than an hour. But like, maybe you'll come on another time. We'll come back and do it again, man.

Yeah, this is really great. Long time coming. I like talking life, man. I like talking life. It was great, man. It makes me so happy that you have role models in your life and people that help make you who you are. Very lucky. Very lucky. I'll say that just to touch the road to perdition thing. I got so lucky as a young kid in this business to work with guys like Hanks and Newman. And like, dude, and like, everybody who ended up being like Jude Law, Daniel Craig, all these guys, and Mendez, like, to work with those guys, I never sensed an ego. I never sensed an ego. I never sensed an ego. I never

sense an unhealthy ego about anybody on set. The nicest dude, the most humble guys, treated every PA as if they were the financier, like just the greatest, greatest people. So I got super, super lucky to work with those guys at a young age to be like, that's how you do it. And like, class act, total pros. And I appreciate that from that job more than anything else. I ran into Jude for the first time in like 20 oh my god 22 23 years at one of the cons the other day first time i seen him like 22 23 years and i was like we're sitting like having a conversation like eye to eye and the last time i saw and i was like down here on him it was like it was crazy wait you heard of paul newman yeah newman played my grandpa in that it's been so long legend dude

god freaking newman if i would have done anything to meet paul newman i would have him sign my slap shot poster dude he was the man he was the man the great If I have a regret, if I got a regret, it's that he invited us out to the racetrack every time he was in town. And I always had a baseball tournament. So we never went. It would have been so fun. I wish we would have gone and done that.

Well, dude, you're a great dude. And I wish you only the best and you deserve it all. And I'm glad we got to know each other a little bit. Same, buddy. Thanks, same, same. Reading, playing, learning. Stellist lenses do more than just correct your child's vision. They slow down the progression of myopia.

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I was surprised how I thought he'd be, you know, not necessarily shut. but a little reserved in terms of like what he was going to say. But it didn't feel like he was holding back. No. No. It felt like what you see is what you get. And I really liked it. I really liked this interview.

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