Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - VINCENT D'ONOFRIO: Love & Hate of Law & Order, Embracing Failure & Going All the Way on Set

Episode Date: October 3, 2023

Vincent D'Onofrio (Law & Order, Full Metal Jacket) joins us this week and opens up on his process of letting go on set, fully embracing the idea of failure in service of a better artistic performance. Vincent is candid about his decade long experience on Law & Order - from the burnout he suffered on set, to the disdain certain crew had for his choices in the role, to the gratitude he had for the actor it helped him become. We also talk about the intensity on set shooting Kubrick’s Full Metal Jacket, growing up introverted, and having to teach actors certain lessons. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🏈 PrizePicks: https://prizepicks.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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So just go there. I am going to say a few things before we get into this incredible interview with an incredible guy. This is, I became very friendly. I worked with him, incredible to work with, very giving as an actor. And sitting down with him and talking to him, he's just, he's very open. And he's old school in terms of he says what he wants to say, what he believes he, you know, he doesn't bullshit yet. and I really enjoyed having Vincent DiNafrio, legend, if you ask me.

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Let's get inside of Vincent Donofrio. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Hey, folks. Wanted to highlight something important before today's episode. In case you weren't aware, myself and many of the guests are on strike alongside SAG after NWGA. Today's episode, and any we air before the strike ends, were recorded before it began.

So this is just a heads up in relation to some for the topics we may discuss. If you want more info on the strike, visit sag afterstrike.org. Now let's get into it. I'm so excited. By the way, you really look good. I'm like, holy shit, you look just chiseled. You lost weight and you've been working the shit out, haven't you? Well, I'm trying, we're doing this particular thing.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm training hard, yeah. Does it rhyme with fair, fevel? No, not at all. You just can't talk about that at all, can you? No. No, you just can't. Like, the only thing I can say is that it's a different show and, you know, that's it.

I mean, it's really, it's like hard. It's terrible. It's like that's the way things are these days. You can't discuss anything. And then everything I do say, even if it's something very subtle, people look into it the wrong way, and then it becomes this kind of news thing. And then it seems like to the rest of the cast and stuff

that I'm out there talking about the show when I'm actually not. Right. You don't go to a lot of cons, huh? I, you know, I had a change of feeling about them a couple of years ago. You know, I... I didn't like participating in much. But then showing up on time at work. And, you know, but I have to say, though, you know, you make a little bit of money.

And it's extraordinary. I had this thing happen where I know this is probably very typical. Probably has happened to you a million times. But it never happened to me before where a woman came up. And it's a very simple thing. she said that her dad was ill, he was in the hospital, and that he's been a huge fan of mine his whole life. And we were about the same age.

And, you know, and I asked her if, I don't know, it just hit me heavy. And I asked her if she would, you know, you're not supposed to hold up the line. I asked her if she wanted to FaceTime him. So she did. And I won't tell you what he said specifically, but he said some very intense stopped me about his health and about his welfare and and a particular thing about just this little insignificant part that I played in adventures and babysitting. I played Thor.

Wow. At the end, right? Yeah, like I helped them with their car. Yeah. And then I give a girl my winged helmet, you know, that I kind of pull out of, oh, no, she gives, she's dressed as Thor and she gives me her winged helmet, sorry. And because she believes that I'm Thor and I'm kind of actually in the Adventures of Babysitting world, I am Thor. And so, at least that's what I believe. Anyway, so he, you know, there was this little story that he told me about that and about how men have trouble with their questioning their integrity all through life, you know, and how a lot of men suffer from worthlessness, even if they never admit it.

And, you know, women do too, obviously. But this particular story was about men. And that, for some reason, that hit him that I would come off of full metal jacket and play that little part in that movie and look completely different. And, like, he found that to be truly inspiring. I mean, how that kind of thing happens is beyond me. So, like, that's, I've never, ever been in that position. You know, I sign autographs all the time. I don't shy away from that.

If people want pictures, I do that. I've done that my whole career. I learned from Gregory Hines, a very good lesson about that. Yeah. So I'll tell you what Greg taught me in a minute, but it was, you know, so I've always, I've never shied away from that kind of stuff. But I never, because I do more television and films than, I do theater, you know, like in three quarters of my careers, all theater, I mean, it's all

films and television in very few plays. And so I don't get that kind of thing, you know, I don't get to hear what people think of these little parts that I played. And I've done a million of them because I always thought, I always, I don't care like how big the part is. I'll go play it if I like it. If I help anything to, I know just sounds corny, but, you know, anything to help, service the story. Honestly, that's really how I feel about it. And whether it's an hour or a lead or a supporting role, like I do mostly these days, or if it's a part that lasts two minutes in a movie. I love that stuff. And, you know, nobody ever keeps me from bringing in a full character, you know, like, even if it's for two minutes, nobody says, nobody says like, oh,

you're, you know, like, you just got to come in and say the line. Like, like, I'm allowed to do whatever which i'm very fortunate you know i think that stems from theater because when we're when i'm doing plays i remember back it's sort of like this thing where yeah you do this little part and you play this one you put a hat on you put a mustache you put like it's like what we love to do and so you want to just you don't want to be just like this you want to kind of do a lot of different fun things exactly yeah exactly that and so ever since then i've had a completely different view about the comic cons and so so now i have a person that helps me with them and and i go whenever whenever i can you know when there it's not doesn't get in the way of my life and and my job but i go but

before that you know i was i didn't participate because i felt a little shy about it and also i mean shy in the way like just personally shy about it and i also felt um like i was wasn't like people weren't interested in my career in that way but it turns out that all those little parts that I've played and I guess they're bigger ones too people it has affected people's lives and that's just so sweet that you can't I mean that's just so sweet to me I feel the same way and um you know the impact that we don't even realize that we have on people and you do as a role that you feel oh that's insignificant like no nobody might have even seen I there's movies that I've done that I you know do I wish I never did yeah maybe but uh they come and they bring something to

I'm like oh my you saw this you were the one who saw this movie and like yeah yeah my dad and I we love this there's a connection and hearing them talk to you about their connection and your connection it just it it it just feels good and you know before you know a long time ago people would say oh you know you're just taking fans money and I'm like let me tell you something okay because I thought about it in the beginning. And I came up to the conclusion that, you know, like I might want to go to Hawaii for vacation. These guys that go, and I used to go to conventions by myself before I became anybody,

I was going to horror movie conventions with my dork friends and like, you know, we didn't have any money getting like some guy from Dawn of the Dead to sign or a picture for five bucks or whatever. But this is their vacation, whether they cosplay or they come for the weekend. They're with their friends and get a hotel. They're definitely into it. They want to. Oh, yeah.

They're loving them. Don't feel bad for these fans. Oh, are you kidding me? They're so happy. I envy them. I envy the fun they have. Well, yeah. I mean, there is no bad feelings at these things.

Yeah. There is, you run into next to no negativity. Like, that is a rare place for entertainers to be. Yes. Yeah. And we are very lucky to be in those people's company. Well, you also were talking about a minute ago, you tapped. into it you're like you know i was i'm kind of shy and but you've been dealing with shyness since you

were young right yeah yeah i mean i read that you like you know you're always in your head you'd be up in your room i believe it or not people look at me as an extrovert and then i read somewhere where just because you do outlandish things and you're like funny and you're it doesn't mean you're not an introvert and i still have an anxiety with people believe it or not and i used to go to my room up for the for the weekends i never went to a dance i never went to high school anything And I used to borrow my parents VCR, put it to my VCR, and copy movies and just watch old movies and just sit up there. And I didn't have a lot of friends. And I was a smallest kid.

So I understand that. What were you? Were you popular in school? Were you just kind of, did you feel like you were now cast? No, no, no. Nobody knew me in school. Nobody knew me. Nobody.

Very few people. I had a good friend, Elio Medina, a Cuban kid. Because, like, I went to school. I went to junior hot. most of elementary junior high in high school in high Eilea, Florida. And so I had a few friends on the block, but they were pretty nasty people, pretty tough characters. But my best buddy was Elie Maudia.

We ended up traveling across country together in a Toyota Corolla, I believe, right after high school. Perfect. We went from Florida, from Hyaliyah to San Francisco. But no, no, I don't, I didn't go to my prom. I didn't. I think I'm in, I think maybe there's one picture of me in a yearbook. My, you know, my hair is like down to here. It's super curly, chubby little kid, you know, like,

like some kind of like generic motorcycle shirt, not even like a brand just a motorcycle like with some kind of cartoon it's funny it's funny because i picture you i have this image because you know you play tough guys and serial killers and all these different things but i mean obviously play a lot of different stuff but i always you know until i met you and we ended up doing a uh dax's movie and we had a scene that was cut out in the beginning where i was like oh my god this guy's a fucking he's hilarious he's engaging he's like you know he gives and takes and just he's a listener and it's i just was like amazed by how uh how cool you were and i but i had this image vincent donofia

was probably the guy in that movie um my bodyguard with matt dillon and adam baldwin and he's probably that guy who's kind of a loner outcast wearing that jacket but can kick ass if he asked to were you that guy or not as cool i was not at all but i did learn fairly quickly how to defend myself because there was a lot of nasty stuff going on in the neighborhood. And so, but that was just sheer. And also, you know, I felt obligated to protect my older sisters for some reason. And so, like, you know, and then so the group that I hung out with, they were definitely troublemakers, you know, so I had to avoid most of it.

I mean, I was causing a lot of trouble. The guy who saved my ass was my stepdad. he was a firefighter when he came into our lives he basically got me off the street like he basically did some things that my sisters and my mom don't even never even knew about like um to help me out um straightened me out a little bit so um yeah like it no but yeah no i can be you know you know jacks and i are very similar in that way like we were idiot when it comes to fighting and stuff. Like, we don't think, like,

like, the best fighters are the ones that are not afraid of being hurt. You know, like, that's the main thing. Yeah. You know, Dax is very much like that. And I think that him and I are similar in that way. You know, obviously, we've grown up, but we, you know, for a significant amount of years now. But so that's a lot of that is, I guess all of that,

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Free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince.com slash inside of you. You could tell that you bring that intensity. Like you say you've grown up. you're married you've got your life you don't put yourself in the put yourself in that situation but there is that side of you that brings out the best in your performances sometimes that i see that sort of angst that sort of like dark side and do you think that comes from those early days of childhood do you think that um do you still have the i think my i don't like my good friends

that are actors, like they're, they think I'm a little mentally deficient because I don't get nervous. And so, like, I don't get, I don't get butterflies. I think that comes from my childhood. But the stuff during performances, I mean, that's just shit that I'm conjuring up from my life, for sure. But I'm not, it's not something, it's something that I have to bring forward again and speak through it you know that's that's that's the way that i studied acting that's the way i was taught how to act you know so it's that's what i do when i when i do that kind of stuff that's all about um bringing up events and speaking the author's words through those events do you get upset with yourself do you uh when you're not where you want to be in a scene how do you

channel that does that make you nervous are you thinking about oh i'm i'm letting people down or are you just like I'm just going to I'm in like you say you don't get nervous so you don't get even the first day jitters what how do you if you're not getting through a scene if you're not feeling it how do you do that how do you work through it you fail you just fail and that's fucking great I love that that's I mean I know this sounds um it's a it's a little awkward to be talking about because, you know, I'm not trying to come across as some kind of, like, dude that's impenetrable. You know, I'm definitely, you know, I'm definitely, I've been humbled many times in my life and still carry a lot of humility around with me from those events of when I

was extremely humbled. But no, no, I believe that if you're not putting your head, out on the chopping block every time you walk out on stage or every time they say the camera's rolling then you're not you're not doing the best you can you have to fail i fail constantly every day when i'm working and and i do not get nervous about it no that is fucking epic i wish that i could have that that feeling i have been moments where i'm so confident you could throw anything at me and i'm impenetrable and then there's moments that where I'm a little fucking boy and I feel like my dad's yelling at me and I'm embarrassing myself and both those feelings are so extremes that I don't you know I strive for the

excellence but sometimes you you don't fail on purpose but sometimes you know I was talking to you at a con and I said something to you and you kind of laughed you told me this little story when you were doing law and order criminal intent now the first time I saw that I had had never seen law and order and i was on the tv and i stopped because i like you and i started watching you and i go what was he doing what i found myself i don't know what happened so captivated in the way you were delivering shit and the way you were just your manners it was like it was like you were putting it together like a real person but so quirky and like you know that you would do these things where you're like and the left hand I'm just trying you were like

I could see you thinking the character thinking like it was real and and I go did they like what you were doing right away in the dailies in the beginning and you were like no can you elaborate on that well no they didn't like it at all I mean they worried about it yeah I there was I don't want a story I told you but you know I I would save certain spots to pause to in and not speak and that that drove them crazy because you know but i you know i was like this is not radio like you can stop talking like it's okay to stop talking and by the way you could cut it out if you want you know but um there was a it was until dick wolf got it like he got it that that people were into that weirdness, the idea that I had the guts enough to just pause and

not speak for a moment while the room is full of actors and the cameras rolling, he thought that that was exciting. And he was the one that gave me permission to do all of that stuff that I was trying to do. And because I used to block those aria scenes were saved for me to block, like I would block them and I never changed the word once the script was probably, I gave some notes, but very rarely, we had great

writers on that show, you know, like great writers. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, for that kind of thing, they're brilliant. You know, they were brilliant. And, but I wouldn't change a word, but I would block the scene. I would block the scene myself.

Like, because I had it all in my mind of how exactly the whole thing unfolds. And some of those scenes were 12 to 15 pages long, you know. And so of just straight dog. And we used to do them top to bottom, like a piece of theater. Like, we wouldn't stop and then do lines. Like, we would do it top to bottom. So if you were, so sometimes there'd be like three, sometimes there'd be five people in those scenes coming in and out of the room and stuff like that.

It was fantastic. It was a fantastic. And Kate Irby, who plays my partner was from Stephen Wolf. I mean, she was so ready to give me lessons in that kind of work. you know like amazing so so yeah that that it made them nervous at first but you know once they once the companies like that start making money their nerves go away yeah absolutely yeah i just i just i find that fascinating but also the first thing that i come that comes to mind my listeners will know this is how do you learn all those pages of dialogue every day you're working constantly

law and order you're not doing like eight episodes a year on a streaming show you were doing how many episodes? 22 to 23. How did you, I know, I mean, how did you deal with that? I would say three scripts ahead is I only had one choice. I can only do that. There's the only way. So, so I was giving notes on one script that I had just read.

The other script, but the second script I would be trying to figure out how I could actually, well, how to control my arc in it. it. And then the third one would be the one that we were performing at the time. And I was learning and I was learning scenes. I would stay two days ahead of scenes and still be studying while I'm performing other scenes. So it was like a lot of work. You know. Yeah, because you had a, you had exhaustion. You collapsed on set like in 2004, right? Yeah. I mean, did you know that this, did you feel like this is going to happen? Like my body can't take this anymore. where I'm so fucking tight. Did you feel it or did it just happen? How did it? What happened? I just couldn't believe that we were working so much.

I just couldn't believe that it was okay to do year after year. And, you know, I learned the hard way that it was okay, that that's the way the business was. And it's not like that anymore. The New York Times did an article about the hours, the television hours. And Kate and I were, you know, a main part of that article. Like, because we were at the time averaging 16, 17 hours a day. And that, that, that, that, you know, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, so it's like, um, but, you know, it's like today, these days, it's, like, a fucking vacation.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, I mean, honestly, nine episodes, nine episodes of season. Yeah. You know, you know, you know, you know, in, in, in network television, you make tons more money. but in the end it ain't worth it yeah that's the thing i mean you do sell your soul in a way you're like you're risking your health you get nasty i was i was you know i got to a point where i was completely um in my head and and and just had no patience for for anything anything you know like the only people that i would get back to were the other actors and and and the camera crew everybody else to me was just in my

way and taking up my time from getting home and going to sleep wow did they yeah did they ever have a conversation with you about but i have to say though having said all that when i left that show i was 10 times a better actor than i was before i went on it wow what why is that why is it is it the intensity and all that it combined just my chops got so good like i was just my chops i learned had a transition so much easier. You know, I was just used to doing film where you do story transitions or emotional transitions over like three scenes or an act, you know, but on television, you do transitions within a scene, you know, big ones.

Yeah. And so to be able to pull that off was, you know, it, I think it does with everybody. It either makes you or breaks you. And you either end up coming in. and doing one line cut, one line cut, one line cut, which a lot of people end up doing. Or you master it and you become this like machine. Everybody does, obviously, not just me. And you leave a situation like that, like, you're, you're great at the technical aspect of your job.

Yeah, there's nothing better than. getting something from a job like when you leave saying wow i i i'm better like you like you said i'm better now all the hard work all the shit the exhaustion the whatever the in my head pissed off whatever it was all that prepares you for maybe something that you're not even aware of yeah i was sent this um footage from a film i did in australia when i was younger i think it was like my fifth film or something, it's called, it was with Rucker Howard, Joan Chan and myself called, I think in Australia, it was called Salute of the Jugger. It was like, it was around Mad Max time. It was like around the third Mad Max time like in that area. And it was like a post-apocalyptic movie about

a team called that played this sport, fictitious sport called Jugger. And we went around in this post-apocalyptic environment walking through the desert from from stadium to stadium playing this game. Wow. And anyway, I recently saw an interview that was done on set. This is before Law and Order. This is like early on in my career. And I was like, what a fucking prick this fucking kid is. Oh, my. How did anybody like, honestly, it's like, how could anybody sit next to this fucking jerk off? like oh my god in this interview i was like i don't know what the fuck was going on in my head i was like a penis with arms and legs no fucking brain just erect and ready just like stupid like so stupid i've done that i've been there i know what you're saying so stupid and so like

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Ever wonder how dark the world can really get? Well, we dive into the twisted, the terrifying, and the true stories behind some of the world's most chilling crimes. Hi, I'm Ben. And I'm Nicole. Together we host Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast that unpacks real-life horrors one case at a time. With deep research, dark storytelling, and the occasional drink to take the edge off,

we're here to explore the Wicked and Reveal the Grim. We are Wicked and Grim. Follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform. Well, that's all right. Well, of course it's all right, but it's like unbelievable to watch it. you see yourself and it's literally like a different person yeah you know i wasn't going to ask you about this because you've answered every question people talk to you about it ad nauseum so i but i do myself an injustice if i didn't bring up something about it but like playing and i'm

you could tell me if you even like talking about it but playing private leonard lawrence and full metal jacket um i'm sure you've been asked everything my only real question really is it's so intense those moments and I just was was any of that improvised was any of what he was saying improvised he wasn't even an actor right what's his name I'm sorry Lee Lee Erme Lee Ermi who was brilliant in everything I'd seen what would happen was he he you know he did he was a drill instructor in real in real life you know for many years after he you know this guy did three tours in Vietnam he went back twice he volunteered to go back twice that's a stud So he was there, you know, like for all the shit.

He was in the ship for many years over there and, you know, you know, showed us his bullet holes and everything. And honestly, like the real deal. And but he has, so he had an abundance from being a drill instructor and being around in that life, his whole life, in that world his whole life. He had abundance of things to say. But Stanley, so he would, he would just say them, spurt them out. Stanley would then type them all out, word for word, but then Lee would have to then do them every time. So he kind of dug his own grave because he was sort of at the time just barely an actor. And not to rate his ability, because his ability was amazing. But he had just, you know,

he was green still. In my mind, he was green still. Even as a young man, I was like, this guy, this guy's green, you know. And but that was my first film. So like, I didn't know. know any different but no there was no improvising but you know so in a way he was spitting out improvisations but not when the camera was rolling yeah it's almost like you know um because i remember watching the documentary and like you know stanley's always typing in his little typewriter yeah and uh you know jack would say something you know you little pigs little pigs and then he'd like he's like adding stuff um really yeah yeah was he intense with you did he want was he intense as a director because he wanted you to feel that or not at all no he spoke very little didn't talk

about story didn't talk about acting didn't talk about the scene never nothing ever ever ever how many takes the most i did was nine and that was for the blanket party when they put the soap in the towels and beat me up we did nine of those the big scene the big famous scene um they say the big famous scene anyway it's uh um you know when i killed these drill instructor and i shoot myself that that we did three times you know and then we did us an effect for the blood in the wall and that was it what i mean all you hear is 100 takes 90 takes 50 doors he didn't do that with other people but not with us not with matthew and i and and arles like we never matthew matthew arles and in their team when they were doing a vietnam stuff they got

stuck behind that wall there's a wall that they're behind before they go into the village right at the end when the sniper gets right at the end of the first act when the sniper second act when the sniper gets killed remember all those guys get shot in that little air they were behind that wall for i believe around four months so and it was merely because of the way stanley made movies you know he was very different than anybody i've ever worked with before you know he if he if the light wasn't right if the if if if the if the if the scene was flat he he wouldn't shoot he just wouldn't shoot did you ever see him angry not like like you mean like screaming and yelling and stuff no because you see it again in the shining in the documentary you see it damn it shell you knew it was there oh come on yeah

well they had a particular yeah yeah some people say it was deliberate on his behalf because he wanted her to you know i don't know if that's true i don't know what it was but it was pretty you know, pretty devastating for everybody. So I hear. And no, it wasn't, but for me, it wasn't like I wasn't there for a lot of the Vietnam stuff. I was only there for the, you know, I was there. I was there in England for it, but I wasn't on set. I only went on set a couple of times. I did, I won't say who, but I did experience. He came and he, he let me sit next to him. I was learning, when they were shooting the Vietnam stuff, they shot that first. I was learning monkey patrol and marching monkey patrol with the rifles you know the spinning and then the

marching and i was putting on the weight and um learning all the how to take rifles apart i was doing all it sort of like a pseudo boot camp but without the boot you know and and uh there was one day in particular i remember where um just because i was you know stanley kubrick and i wanted to see him direct you know because i'd seen all his movies and um he came he let me sit next to him him doing this one particular scene and he had a megaphone they were like everybody was like about 50 feet away and they did 72 takes and this one particular actor did 72 takes how was the actor every take a you know Stanley would say like Stanley had this thing where he would clear his throat you'd go ah ah before he would speak every time and so over the megaphone

you'd hear like um it's uh take 69 uh so and so um let's try let's let's try to get it better click like what is the actor i mean what are you thinking you're like you're beyond embarrassed at this point you're beyond like i don't is it me is it like i mean did you see some did you when you were on set did you see any of the actors like that actor like falling apart like falling apart's big word i mean not happy i mean you know not happy you know nobody's happy in those kind of circumstance everybody wants to get the day done and i think that i i think that was about a two-day period they stayed on that one particular actor until he got it right in stanley's eyes you know did you ever um talk to stanley again was it at the premiere did he come up a couple times on the

phone there was no premiere not that i know i mean i certainly didn't go but i don't do that kind of thing But it's, especially when I was younger, I didn't do it. These days I've gotten, I try to be more civilized about it. But when I was a kid, there was nobody pushing me to do that kind of stuff. So I just didn't do it, you know. But he, no, we talked a few times on the phone. But nothing, we weren't like, I didn't, I wasn't like best friends with him or anything. I know a lot of people say that they were.

But I definitely wasn't. he helped me tremendously by just trusting me so much like he gave me one direction the whole time I was there and it was a brilliant direction and I was very lucky that we were on the same page like I was extreme it was like it was like Christmas oh you have okay I don't want to tell you a million times but he gave you a direction that changed everything that big night he gave me an incredible direction before we shot it the next day and it and it just so happened that that, you know, luckily I was thinking along the same lines. And so I went in the next day and we just did three takes and it was done.

How many times have you been on a set where you're just like, I don't like the director or I don't like the actor I'm working with? And is that really difficult? Do you have to sort of suck it up or do you let it, it is impossible for you not to just say to show your colors? Like, it's fucking stupid. I'm not fucking doing it. I mean, you know, because I've worked with some directors that, I mean, you know, because I've worked

with some directors that, I mean, I almost got in a fist fight with it. I've told that story where I just charged him. And, uh, but I was, I was actually actually right in the moment. And everybody knew it. He was just absolutely belittling and degrading and pointed me. It was, it was the worst thing ever. And I just have never felt like that. And somebody just in middle of it, like right before the camera's rolling, AD goes, hey, hey, just, uh, just let's do, let's talk after this. Yeah. And the crane's coming down. And the girl I'm with her, like, are you okay? I'm like, no.

And the camera's already coming in. We're talking and I just beeline. And they grabbed me and I was like, you don't fucking ever talk to anybody like that again. And it was just like, oh, my guy, couldn't even believe. I was scared because I never do that, you know. It's hard to put yourself in any circumstance. It's like it's hard to put yourself in a servient position if you don't respect the person. That's a very difficult thing to do.

need to be in that position as an actor. I need to serve the story. Like, I want to serve the day. Like, that's, I feel like that's my job. You know, that's why I get paid, you know, to service the story. And so I need to truly be put in, I need to put myself in that position, you know, put me in my place because you're so fucking amazing and talented. Like, that's what I need. And it's very, very disappointing when that doesn't happen. It's very disappointing because you feel lost. And then you have to start taking over and it's not your job to take over. And that's a terrible position to be in. But, you know, I find that the men and women that I've worked with, the ones that are born directors, they just can't imagine them doing anything else. You know, they, you know, they never

make you feel like that they never make you feel like they don't have the the the they're not steering the ship so to speak you know and right and then you feel totally like part of the crew and like okay let's go i'm with you 100% you know and then you i show up in the morning i'm always on time i'm always fucking prepared and um i mean we've worked together you know what i'm like i'm open and yeah ready and and you know whatever you guys want to do it's okay with me you know yeah um and i'm a bit of a smart ass at the same time. So it's like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but, you know, so it's like, you know.

Hey, we see is what you get. I have to say, though, when I was a young, when I was younger, I had a lot less tolerance about this situation that I'm talking about, about not feeling like I'm in the right position that the, that the people that I'm supposed to be, that are supposed to be in charge are not do are not talented and that's uh that when i was a kid that used to make me i used to get worried and i would i would start to try to take over and i would you know i would just take over and and but i don't you know luckily um my career is gone is is very much under my own control and there's been good things about that and bad things about it but it is under my own

control. And so I put myself in situations 99.9% of the time where I'm working with extremely talented people. And I haven't felt lost in a long time. Now, when it comes to television, it's different because in television, the director is not, doesn't have the same position. Right. As it does in a movie. Like, it's a completely different thing. So you get used that they're being 50-50. There's some amazingly talented ones and there's some people that are just there recording the day, you know?

And that's not very inspiring, but what the fuck? Do you ever, have you ever been piss? Because I, you're such a pro. You always know your lines. Like once you walk on set, everything's behind you. This is, you know, you have everything under control, like you said. Have you had actors where you're working with them

and they don't know their fucking lines and it's throwing you off and it's really pissing you off? And you said, learn your fucking lines. I've taken some actors for walks, yeah. I'm glad you didn't take me for a walk. Yeah, I'm very nice about it, but I've given, like lessons were given to me when I was younger in theater. I can give a lesson. I'll give a lesson out every once in a while.

Right, Felisa. What would you say besides TV work, and obviously it was incredibly difficult, but What's the one role that you can recall in your career that was the hardest on you, physically, mentally, the hardest part to play? And then the most rewarding, the rewarding part could be a different role. Yeah, they're all different that way, though. Like, for instance, law and order was so rewarding because I was a better actor at the end of it. But it's definitely not worth the money, you know, the trouble it, the pressure it put on my family and the pressure put on. me and it was definitely not worth the money. And so I don't feel the only reward I got from that

was I was a better actor, which is a pretty good reward. Yeah. You know, the Full Metal Jacket was, will always be my favorite experience because it was my first experience, you know, in a real film, you know, like a, with a top director, like if not one of the best in the world ever. Yeah. I have to say the part that I'm playing now that I should, started on Netflix the Daredevil show is it's a he's a crazy motherfucker this guy like he's so like real and emotional and he's like a big baby and a fucking monster at the same time and it's very you know we have on the Netflix show as well we had the opportunity to put him in somewhat normal situations he felt he fell in love he got married in in the in the new stuff we're doing

he's in normal situations as well. So the play, even in Hawkeye and in, in Hawkeye, not so much, but in Echo and then, which is not out yet, which precedes the new Daredevil Born Again show, the, we, he's in positions in, where like he was in Netflix, where he's the same guy, but he's in a very normal position. And to play him in a normal position,

like in a normal environment, like you or I would be in, is just bat shit fucking crazy. it's like so fucking hard to do and so fucking crazy and the shit that's going on in my mind when the camera's rolling is just fucking bat shit stuff like honestly like i've i get to the point where i cannot wait to see this man do you do you like when you're rehearsing it do you rehearse it in a room where there's nobody else and just kind of lash out do you have somebody you read the scenes with and really give it all or are you just quiet about it and do your own thing and then and figure it out on set

I, no, I have a plan and then most of that plan goes out the window. This is very normal, right? That always happens with the actors, you know. And so, but I have a huge, I always have a big plan coming in and, and I don't push it on anybody. If I feel like the blocking is throwing the scene off, and we're pushing against it and pushing, I'll try and I'll try and I'll say, I'll just stop and I'll say, I don't know if everybody agrees or not, but I just want to put something out there. we're pushing up against the walking in the scene. We need to change the blocking. And then it's like a breath of fresh air.

Like everybody's like, oh, thank God. Like, yes, let's change it. And then we change it. And then the scene starts rocking, you know? And you got to have guts to do that. And I learned from the best that you have to have guts. Some of my peers are amazing at stuff like that.

And like Ethan Hawke, Ethan, Ethan, Ethan's in search of the scene constantly. And if you're pushing up against it, like he says right away, like, let's just, you know, like this is not right. I've been in scenes acting with him that he's done that. And he's been in scenes acting when I've done it. And I've been directed by him. And so you have to be there. But no, I stay very, very calm.

Even if, but just before, you know, because we've been on sets for a long time. And we know when you're about to roll. Like I get a sense. Immediately my radar picks up. I got five, maybe 10 minutes here before we start roll. And that's when I go in. So the action doesn't really mean anything to me. I'm already in by the time the director says action.

I'm there. So wherever I got to be, I mean, I can get ferocious on set. Like, I can be ferocious and loud and emotional. And like, I don't give a fuck what people think. Like, honestly. Because you're getting into it. You don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck.

Whether it's crying or screaming or laughing or whatever the fuck it is. You know, Cruiser men are taught not to put their hand in the cage anyway. I mean, so what the fuck, you know? And, and so. I love this, man. I love it. And I, and I just, I just go, yeah, I go all the way. So by the time action is said, I'm right when action, I'm there with dialogue, boom, I'm in, like, totally in.

I love it. Wow. But I, but most of the time I spend on set is, is calm and sociable. And, and I'm just, you know, listen, kids. It's about the homework. You know, it's about your homework. is if you do your homework if you put in the time learn your lines and do your homework figure out the scene know where you were know where you are know where you're going if you've done all your

fucking analysis of the story that you're telling then you can show up at work and have a great fucking time and then when you know the camera's going to start rolling you go where you need to go do you hear that actors do your fucking homework me included sometimes i haven't done my homework and uh well i fail um you know what i I would have loved to have seen you of mice and men. You've played Lenny, right? I've played him, but not where anybody would see it. No, back, like way back.

This was back in the day, right, when you played in school. But I kept thinking of you, like, when I read that, I was like, oh, my God, I'd love if he did have a mice and men now. Like, I love Malkovich. You know why I never got the chance to do it? Why? Because when I was, when I was the right age to play that part, it was a popular play. They were playing it everywhere, and all the movie stars were doing it. And I wasn't enough of a name or to get that part on a big venue ever.

And that's, that's why I never got a chance to play it, which was fine with me because I saw, I went and saw all the productions of it. I saw, you know. If it came back now, would you do it? I'm too old to do it. Too old for the part. Yeah, because you have to be like. in your 30s right no when i was 30 and that part was being played all the time it was even at lincoln center and like it was like amazing productions i saw that even in england they used to do it

it was amazing wow i would just love the chance to see you go um do i get to tend the rabbits george i just fucking want to see that man all right well i don't think you're too old we did do it my um in the american stansulaski theater uh which is where i studied for half of my studies and then i was at act uh then i was learned method acting after that but with a woman named sonia more had a theater group and i believe um i did the play somewhere in those years along and during that time and it and we were a little young for the parts me and my friend steve but we we did it anyway what what makes you laugh like who do you find funny as a comedian or an actor that you're like this is funny this this guy makes me laugh

you mean in real life or in their work it could be both well chris pratt's a funny fucking guy i love that guy yeah i mean dax and i can make each other fucking laugh dax is funny as shit you know and we have the same kind of weird sense of humor and it's it's great i find them hilarious and and his wife uh christin just and you know she just makes me fucking laugh like crazy and they also send me they stupid shit all the time two of them sitting you know before they go to bed at night and they have this idea about my life or something and they'll send me this text they sort it all out and they've even been written stuff out about my family tree and stuff it's so fucking funny if you uh have you ever heard is will for will for brimley

do i do i know who that was yeah do you know that Have you heard his impression, Dax's impression of Wilford Brumman. Oh, it's really, in fact, I just, hold on, you know, he played, he played a clip on me on his Paul Rudd episode, so I'm going to fucking, it's going to be a record cold winter this year. So when they're little ones coming cold from building a snowman, warm them up with an extra thick bowl of quaker oats. That's good.

It's awesome. It's goddamn American. just ridiculous um this is awesome all right look i'm i'm gonna quickly get in this is called shit talking with vincent dinoffrio this is my top tier it's rapid fire so it's top tier patrons i love you guys support the show thank you so much patron dot com slash inside of you uh mike f what it has been the role that you found to be the most fulfilling you said the first one pretty much full metal jacket right yeah yeah and then i would say uh the whole white world was uh was a was a at that time was the most emotional journey arc that I played in the character.

So that was fulfilling as well. Lex says, The Cell is one of the most underrated psychological thrillers and visually stunning. Do you have any behind the scene stories or a favorite memory from the filming? You weren't, I mean, terrifying. People, if you haven't seen the cell, I can't even describe it. It just goes to a place where you're like, I remember. going like I felt like my body was just it wasn't good our Sam Dan Ward directed that and he's I've worked

with him twice um we also did a a version of wizard of Oz called Emerald city for NBC uh which was one season and uh it was that just to work with him he's an amazing visual artist and anyway so um so he he wanted me to do that he wanted me to play that that that part and I had just done like Salt and C. And I played some other kind of weird killer guy. And I was like, you know, I'd rather just play some kind of normal dude. And he was like, no, you should really think about doing this part. And I'm like, yeah, I don't, I don't think I will. It's happened a couple of times in my career. And the director convinces me and how Tarsem, I believe it was him that sent me the tape. He was a commercial director. He hadn't done very much stuff. He did

the fall, I think, already, which is a whole other story I'll tell you about someday, but how he actually made that. But anyway, so he sent me a commercial lady to me. So imagine you're looking down at a blue tile floor. You're about 20 feet above. The shot never moves. It's just composed perfectly. All you see is blue tile. You're about 20 feet high. Camera never moves, never zooms in, nothing. A guy walks out in robes, tattered robes, you know, got, it's got that, kind of middle east kind of feel just blue tile carrying a bucket of water he walks out so you're just looking down on him as he walks out and he puts the bucket to the right of the center he walks back out he comes back in pulling a goat by a rope walking a goat in he the coat walks to the middle

of the frame he drops the rope he takes out a fucking knife and cuts the rope this is all really happening in real life. He cuts the goat's throat. The goat falls over. The blood comes out of the thing. The guy picks up the bucket of water and goes like that and washes the blood across the blue tile, the red blood, and it says, travel Asia. There's a commercial. What? And I'm like, I called him and said, I'm in. I'm in. I do it. oh my god and it was a real goat yeah so you knew this guy's vision it was going to be shot it by the way there on location in india like jeez it's not like he did it and he killed a goat for like a movie he killed a goat because they killed goats many goats a day oh my god uh stone age

how was your experience with filming the magnificent seven rapid fire and was there anyone in that amazing cast who you had never worked with before that you really look forward to working with again yeah yeah no like every one of those guys were fucking brilliant denzel's amazing obviously he's like one of the best oh yeah wait a minute i do know that one yeah chris is in that we christ and i wrote by that and ethan's in that i made uh uh really good friends of manuel rufo is now in um lincoln lawyer stars in lincoln lawyer he's he's amazing and martin sensemeyer who's the most handsome actor in the world he's this native american kid who's his talent growing and growing growing he's going to be a huge star i think martin it was uh so much fun it was

unbelievable we had way too much fun to get paid for it like it was so much fun i love that uh christen b last question my son caleb's a huge drastic world fan what was like working with animatronic dinosaurs in the movie any funny funny behind-the-scenes stories you can share yes there is so they had these guys walking around and the little leotards they were like a little dinosaur dance Troop. Yeah. And so there's a scene in the, and they were very serious about it. And I'm sure very helpful. But there was a scene where I had to get sort of eaten. And one of the raptors come in and kind of pin me against this wall. And I couldn't do it with those guys. I couldn't do it with the little guys, the little, the leotard of guys. Did you yell at him? Get them out of here.

get them out of here. Well, I was just like, I was just like a cat. Like, can you just, like, can you have a dinosaur head, you can stick on a, and, um, and they did. And they put the dinosaur head, uh, the same size as like the actual, uh, animal,onic raptors. And, and, um, yeah, so they put in the stick and I acted to the guy, to the head of that. So it was much easier. But I couldn't do the dance trip. No.

Uh, you do any impressions? no not one impression no i bet you could do a really good it's different a lot different but in the cadence of a john malcovich i guarantee if you watch in the line of fire when when fucking eastwood goes you have a rendezvous with my asshole motherfucker i guarantee if you watch malcovich go no what you couldn't possibly know frank and he does this thing i guarantee you could fucking kill it i'm not you're much too talented for me i can't there's no way i you don't do any impressions no you were never that guy growing up like memorizing quotes or did you ever do that like what was your favorite movie growing up um my favorite movie you don't

want to know my favorite movie was gonna willie wonka no actually it was a much more deeper intense film than that. It was a Midnight Cowboy. Oh, wow. On Schlesinger film. Great film. That's where he says, I'm walking here, right? Yeah. But no, I don't do. I'm not, that's not, like, that's not my, I'm not talented in that way. I'm barely, barely talented. Like, I'm like right on the French. You have a children's book. You sing. People, I mean, you're an actor, director, producer. You teach. at Strasbourg method like you you do a lot of shit man but you can't do impressions so i got one on your brow yeah man i like romakovich you just did that was pretty fucking good thanks man i i i like i said i never left the house and i was a kid so i do tons of impressions and that's what i you know that's kind of yeah now i can i'm good at doing like i'm good at producing you

you like i can change postures i can do accents i can do all that stuff i i can do all that stuff Like, I can, I can create something that seemingly has never been seen before, seemingly, because it's all really, it's all really variations on variations on variation. But I can do stuff that people think they've never seen before. I always say you're one of my favorite actors, you're one of the nicest guys in Hollywood. I really believe, I can't believe you have it yet, but you're going to win an Oscar someday, whether you like awards or not I mean nobody would be shocked

if Vincent Dinoffreel won a fucking Oscar and the winner is oh that's about fucking time like he hasn't won one one I think I'm in a different business than that I honestly don't ever see that ever happening like I just no I just don't see it ever

happen I always have the second answer which is this exact answer I'm telling you I just don't feel like I'm part of that circle like I have some amazing friends in this business men and women that are incredible artists and um you know uh i just don't feel like you know that i'm you know allowed into that circle but i will say whether you think you're part of the circle or not i don't i never thought i was part of any circle i'm like

still the kid up in the fucking room but i believe that sometimes you do something and that leaves no choice for those other people outside the circle than to recognize something that everybody obviously recognizes. So with that, yeah, it would be a raise. I'd get a bump in my pay if that but also your career would go downhill because once you win an Oscar, you know the story. Yeah, and how boring it's at? Like, to actually get an award for acting, it's like, really? It's not like, it's not like Daytona, 500. I want to know where you would keep the award, though. If you got an Oscar. Be honest. Don't be like where would you keep that Oscar? It most likely would go somewhere. It wouldn't be out on a shelf. That's for sure. You would go in in the we call it the gimp room.

Bring on the gimp. Why would it be the gimp room? What's the gimp room? It's just a room in the in the house where like all the crap is in there. It's like from a tarentino movie like kind of thing. like it's just like a like that's where all the nonsense it stays it's not it's in boxes it's not like a beautiful room it's like just like there's like boxes of stuff every once in a while my daughter will go in there and straighten it up for me or so it's like it would go directly most likely into it it's either that or one of my sisters would grab it or something all right well if you win an i an oscar someday got to promise me to take a self you'll take a selfie picture where they didn't send it to me

I'll take a selfie in the Gimp Room. In the Gimp Room with the Oscar. This has been awesome. I'm not taking any more of your time. I love you. This was honestly incredible. I love talking to you. Hopefully you'll come on again.

I hope it was easy and not bad. That was so easy, dude. Thank you, man. Thank you. You rock, buddy. Thanks, too, man. I appreciate it. I'll see you later, man.

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But, like, initially when you meet someone that you're enamored by or you love their work, it's kind of exciting. It's like, ah, you're a little nervous, and he can be intimidating, but he's also hilarious and friendly and giving. And after spending a few hours with him in Salt Lake City, I just, I really love that guy. Vincent, thanks so much for doing this. I appreciate it, hopefully to come back. And by the way, any of the stuff I talked about, cameos and inside of you online store and all that stuff, you can go to my Instagram at the Michael Rosenbaum, go in the link tree everything's there so you can do that and don't forget October 11th October 11th 7 p.m. or is it 8 p.m. I have a live podcast inside of you

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