Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Walker’s KATHERINE MCNAMARA: Rise to the Occasion

Episode Date: August 23, 2022

Katherine McNamara (Arrow, Walker: Independence) joins us this week to talk honestly about her experience shooting the prequel to Walker, how it’s different than your typical Western, and what it’s like to be in her first lead role since filming Shadowhunters. Katie Mac goes on to share her emotions returning to the Arrowverse as Mia Smoak and her thoughts behind the spinoff (Green Arrow & The Canaries) not getting picked up. We also talk about the idea of responsibility vs. stress, why Katherine is more drawn to character roles in television rather than film, and her return to Shadowhunters. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What can I say about her? her this is her second time or third time on she's got the new show walker independence she's got aero to talk about she's got a lot to talk about i love her instagrams her posts they're full of life she's a fascinating young lady i sound like i'm an old man hey she's a fascinating young lady it's just fascinating right i admire her uh tenacity i admire her for for Oh, man. Sorry, it's been a long morning and we love you. But without further ado, stick around for the top tier. Of course, join Patreon to support the podcast. I forgot to mention that. I'll message you after you join. It's patreon.com slash inside of you. Without further ado, let's get inside of Catherine McNamara. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience.

We'll have to get The Walker family in one day and just do a combo episode. You just jumped right in with the Walker family. I love this. I mean, I just interviewed Jared Padalecki. I saw. And we were talking about you. Did you listen? I heard bits and pieces.

I mean, I think Twitter was just a flutter. Yeah. at any mention of this new show. Anytime you get those supernatural Walker Boys on. It's true. I guess it wouldn't be Walker boys. We'll see Walker Boy. The Walker.

Well, the Walker, the Walker, yeah, the Walker, I think. Is Walker that successful? I mean, it's got to be successful if they're doing a prequel to it. I think it's, there's so much to it. I mean, it is, you know, it's that there's a familiar audience. And it's that nostalgia that Westerns bring out in people, I think. You know, there's such a familiar. familiarity to it, but with the sort of resurgence of Westerns right now, it provides such a great

opportunity to take a genre that everyone thinks they know and make it new and make it fresh. And I think, you know, the new Walker's been able to do that in a really cool way with what Jared's done with his show. And now taking it back to the 1870s, we're able to do that all over again and sort of be in the universe of very much our own entity. Did you, were you watching a lot of Walker? Did you have to watch a lot of walkers to sort of get ready for this? I mean, did you even audition for this prequel?

So guys, if you're listening, she's obviously doing this prequel to the show Walker that Jared Padalecki is on and she's doing the prequel, which takes place in the 1800s. Now, I'm thinking this is the season, season three of Walker? I think so, yeah. So it's that successful where all of a sudden they're like, let's do a prequel. I mean, Smallville was super successful. Why didn't they do a prequel? I guess we were the prequel because it was Smallville was before they became Superman.

But that shows a lot of love for the show. Oh, absolutely. And what's what I get a kick out of is, you know, as far as the CW goes, the last time I spoke to you, I was playing Stephen Amel's daughter 20 years in the future. And now in some other alternate universe, I'm playing Jared Padelicki's great, great, great, great grandmother. And I think it's wonderful. There's some multiverse where, you know, that exists. And if someone can explain to me that history, I'll take it.

Did you watch every episode of Walker to prepare? Have you seen all the seasons every episode? Like just not that it matters because you're before it. So you don't really have to pay attention to anything. If it was me, I was like, this doesn't relate to me. I'm before this. Well, no, similarly to, you know, when I, when I jumped on to Arrow, I watched all six, at that point, six seasons that were in existence to sort of see what Stephen and what

Emily had done to create that relationship and those characters to be, you know, the spawn thereof of, of Olicity, as it were. But for this, I wanted to get a feel for the world and for what the Walker family represented. And so I did. I watched a good deal of it. And also, you know, being a massive supernatural fan. And I'm Keegan Allen's one of my oldest friends in LA. I love Keegan. He was in a podcast. He was great. He's such a good dude. He's such a great. it scares me when I meet people that are so kind that I'm like, are they really like that? Is he really that good of a dude?

He is. Because I'm interviewed him. I'm like, I love you. And then I'm like, he can't be that sweet. There's got to be some catch. Yeah. But just in talking to, no, and I had a conversation with, you know, a couple of folks very early on.

And the biggest thing that spoke to me about, you know, the Walker family and the Walker franchise is that there's so much love in it. And there's so much kindness in it and just good people that want to make good television and tell good stories. And that, to me, is why I'm here in the first place. And so, you know, to be a part of something that has such goodwill surrounding it, it's a real gift. Because as you know, we spend the majority of our lives, you know, 17-hour days,

slogging through whatever it is, doing what we love. Yeah. But if you don't love the people you work with, it's an extra bit of effort. And it just, it makes those days on set and all the hard work that every single person on set pours into it mean that much more when you love the people too do you notice when actors always say you know the hours that they work it always gets longer and longer it's like we work 12 hours a day we work 14 hours a day we work so hard but the hours are long especially in the beginning when you're shooting a series i mean what are your hours on the prequel and how many episodes have you done

so far we've only done one so far we haven't gone back we just got our series pickup and we're at up fronts and did the whole thing, which was very exciting. But our hours, because most of our being, you know, a show that shoots outside, being an 1870s Western, most of our days are daylight dependent. So it's a lot of, and for, you know, for folks who aren't in this industry, you know, that means when the sun goes down, we're done for the day. Is that true? You can't do anything more. There's very few night shoots. Yeah, very few nightsuits. We had one or two days. I mean, that's a huge testament to Larry Tang, who was our director of this pilot, who, laid out, we had eight days

to shoot this thing and he did the whole thing in eight or nine days, I forget, because it all blurs together, but he laid out this massive undertaking and made it a dream of a process by just the way that he was able to put the days together

and the way that they were able to shoot things between our first AD, our director of photography and him, it was honestly such a dream. I'm so, so happy that we're keeping this family together and taking it to series. And this is the, is this the second time on a series you've had a lead role? Yeah, it is.

Shadowhunters was the first time. I was sort of thrust into this position at 19 years old, not doing what I'm doing. But that show taught me how to make television because I was surrounded by such an incredible cast and such an incredible crew of people that, you know, were kind and amazing artists, but also willing to show me the ropes as someone who wanted to learn. and now having those examples and getting to watch Stephen for a couple years and getting to sort of work on a few other sets

going into another show as I mean I play make believe for a living am I really an adult I don't know but as an adult on paper you know it's nice to be able to try and bring some of that synergy and that family

idea to a new show I mean you're the lead, right? I am, I am Abigail Walker. I mean, so it's the show is on your shoulders. So if it fails, it's your fault. Thanks, Rosie. No, no, no, no, no. But honestly, is that I guess my point was that, I mean, I know you could handle it, but, you know, we've talked about this in the past and I want to get into it again, but because you, you don't really stress a lot. Do you think now that you have a lead role in this other series and it's very demanding and your Abigail Walker is that, do you feel any of the load? Do you feel the stress? Do you feel any anxiety? Are you getting, or are you doing

all right? I'm doing all right. I would say, I always think of it as a responsibility at more than a stressor or a pressure because, you know, obviously there is a lot riding, you know, for a lack of a better horse pun on this show and on this character and there's a lot of expectation for it. But those are the sort of jobs that I love because it is a challenge and it is something that it forces me to rise to the occasion. Not that I wouldn't attempt to anyway, but it's exciting to be a part of a story that people want to see and that people are anticipating and they're excited to be a part of and excited to tell the story. And, you know, between, Abigail Walker is one thing. And she's a fantastic character. And I'm so grateful and so lucky to get to play her. But she's not the only

fantastic character in this story. You know, that's something that drew me to the script in the first place is that every single character, you look at them on the surface and you meet them for the first time and you think you know who they are and you think you know what you're going to get out of them. And then suddenly they present something entirely different that, you know, it takes all of these tropes that we know and love of Westerns and reinvents them and re-examines them and goes, well, this is what we know. But is that how the West actually was? And maybe there's more to the story. Is it complicated? Is it challenging on set to do? I mean, what are they asking you to do? What

things can you tell me that you've done? Like in this pilot? You're obviously riding horses. Yes, I'm riding horses. There's horses. There's shotguns. There's a 20-pound dress. There's a corset. There's, you know, and, you know, the heavy emotional trauma of having your, you know, as we see from the trailer, having your husband murdered in the first, you know, X amount of minutes of the pilot. That's what happens? Yeah. That's well, you see that, you know, as we start, as you get to see the trailer. Abigail Walker has set off with her husband into what she's assuming is going to be a fresh start and a new life out west. She's from Boston and she and her husband have decided to

take this journey. He's, you know, meant to be the sheriff and she is going to help him start this new life. But her, you know, her entire, within the first X number of minutes of the show, her entire life, her entire world is torn apart. And she is, forced to start anew. And for a woman in the 1870s to be on her own and have nothing and no one and be a complete stranger in not only a new town, but a new world of the West, it's daunting. But it takes a character like Abiel Walker, who has the education and the strength and the tenacity and the willingness to go, you know what, no, I'm not going to let this defeat me. I'm going to embrace this.

And she takes on this agency that you don't see a lot in women of that time. And she's also surrounded by a cast of characters, men and women alike, who recognize that agency and who give her the opportunity to exhibit that and to exert that in this new world. And it's such an exciting story to tell

because it is so uncommon for a Western. There is no shrinking bylet. There is no damsel in distress. There is no cowboy who cannot, be beaten. There is no character that is truly good. There is no character that is truly bad. There is all shades of gray. And that's the most exciting thing is that no one comes out of the West unscathed. Is there some dark shit? There's some really dark stuff. We don't shy away from it. I mean, and that's what you get when you get, you know, a writer like Seamus and you get a director

like Larry and you get this world where, I mean, we saw it with the pilot of Walker. You know, you saw what Jared's character went through and the pilot of that show within the first 15 minutes. It's, they don't shy away from putting these characters through. I mean, you saw what happened to Matt Barr's character at the end of his season of Flucker. There's a reason that he's now on our show

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No, he lives in Oregon, Portland. Yeah, he lives in Portland. But he's, God, I'm so jealous. I want to be in a Western. Had you ever been in a Western or anything like this before? No. Was it just totally, like, did you have to, your mannerisms? Are they sort of too modern?

And sometimes they say, oh, you're very today. we have to, you have to learn how to be from that time period, right? Yeah, I mean, it's interesting for me. I grew up doing ballet. I grew up, you know, doing theater. So I'm very used to kind of figuring out different eras, as it were. And, you know, everyone calls me grandma anyway. I knit, I bake, and I drink scotch.

I'm basically an 85-year-old in a 26-year-old body. It's just sort of who I am. But it did take a bit of adjusting because, again, as you know, most of my kids. characters in the last few years have been, you know, leather jackets, jeans, kicking ass. Yeah, you know, swords and arrows and kicking butt, not, you know, corset and a bustle and a giant skirt and being a Bostonian educated lady. Yeah.

How long does it take you to get dressed in these dresses? How long does it take to put one of these things on? It doesn't take long. I have to give a huge shout out to the wardrobe team on our pilot. But they built and found and sourced all of these amazing different pieces. My dress was built from head to toe. The first fitting I had, it was a bolt of fabric and a corset. And then by the time we got to set, it was all of these layers.

But it's the first time I've actually had to have help getting dressed in the morning on set. And it's a very different, it's a different world. But I sort of love it. You know, they gave me the option to not wear the corset and to just kind of cheat here in there for comfort as it were. Eventually, yeah, eventually you'll say no corset. Everyone says that, but I got to say it's a different posture and it forces you to stand differently and move differently and hold yourself differently.

I'm a big fan of that. You know, it's the same with Arrow when you put on the super suit and you zip up that, you put on the hood and the mask or with Shadowhunters when we put on all the tattoos every day or, you know, when I did the stand and I dyed my hair pink, there's a, there's a difference and there's kind of a mask that you put on. And you sort of go, oh, no, that's the separation of me and Abby and me and this person and that person. And it just puts you in it more. Who are you really enjoying working with or who are most of your scenes with in this prequel?

I was lucky because getting to be sort of the audience's eyes coming into the town of Independence, Texas and sort of entering this world. There's one of my favorite parts of the pilot is there's this series of scenes where Abigail meets. every character for the first time. And you sort of get to see little glimmers of what these relationships could be and how diverse and vast this town is and how many different kinds of people have all settled here.

And that's, I think, the most beautiful thing that's sort of perhaps the biggest allegory for our world today that has to do with this story is that the West is all about people coming together and either fighting each other or working together to survive. Right. And there's a very clear choice.

And it's very clear in the West because it's a very distinct archaic world in a lot of ways. But each person that comes to Independence, Texas, is to choose. Am I going to be a part of this community? Am I going to cooperate? Am I going to make friends

or am I going to make enemies? And how will that best serve me moving forward? You worked with Mark Shepard, right? I did. How was that? What a treat. What a treat. Did he have the English accent

or did he put a southern accent on. He gets a little bit Texan in our show. Do you get a little Texan? Do you get a little Texan? Do you have a little draw? This is the hardest thing for me, perhaps about this show, because I was born in the South. And so when I first learned to talk, I had a Southern accent. I'm not allowed to use it for this show. Why is that? Because I'm from Boston. I'm from Boston in the 1870s. And so even the Boston accent, as we know it today, didn't quite exist yet so pack you can have it yet yeah exactly i can't even you know have that kind of fun and then everyone else around me is getting all texas and i can't i can't participate in that either so it's a it's a very it's a good exercise for me and i appreciate it by the way you say that

you know i mean look i picture i picture you as not someone who's really edgy the most edgy person but as you get older as i talk to you over the years now i'm seeing tattoos on you did you always have those tattoos? Not always. I don't remember if I had these last time we... What do they say? What are they? This one, this one's probably my favorite one. It says not fragile. Oh. It's, um, my, my boxing coach, uh, he was one of our stunt coordinators on shadow hunters.

He's the man who taught me at a fight. Um, he used to always tell me that. Um, and it, it was a phrase that I found out later on meant a lot more to him than I ever realized. Um, and he's since passed. And, yeah, he was gone far too soon, and he was a very, very good man and taught me everything I know and loved him dearly. But it's just a little reminder of him and just as kind of a thank you to everything that he gave me. That's beautiful. I like that. What's the other tattoo?

Oh, goodness. That's I drink whiskey. Is that what it says? No, no. I mean, it should at this point. Because you do, yeah. God, I have so many. This one is a, it's a replica of a necklace that my grandfather gave me when I was 16.

It's the attitude meter of an airplane because he built an airplane in his retirement and got his pilot's license and did all this. And when I was 16, he wrote me this beautiful card and said, you know, as long as you keep your wings straight, you'll be fine. And so I just moved away from home. And it's just, they're all, all of my tattoos are just little reminders of the people that I love and things in my life that I, that are very important to me. I always make myself wait a year before I get any new tattoo because then at least I know if I still want it after a year. That's smart.

It's very smart. I'll probably be okay. Yeah. It's hard though. It's hard. Who told you when Walker was picked up, the prequel was picked up? Who called you? I actually was on a plane when it happened.

And so I didn't get a phone call. I was flying home from a, a comic con in Birmingham actually and I landed and my phone exploded and I was getting all of these text messages of where are you what's going on

why have we heard from you from everybody from the family from the cast from my team and friends like what's wrong because they know they know we'd all been anticipating this news and we were all waiting and kind of see we didn't know when and if we would know and I had

my phone was just I had to play catch up and I didn't even know what the news was for about five minutes. What was it that where you knew that, hey, I got this. Was it a text message that you knew? You're like, oh, this is it. We have a chat with Larry.

We have a little group text of like the guest and Larry, our director because he's been dad to all of us kids throughout the process. And it was one of the most transparent directors I've ever worked with and I've never been more grateful. But he, you know, when I saw that

there were 75 messages, and most of them with positive messages as opposed to, you know, crying emojis. Right, right, right. It was bottles of champagne as opposed to tears. I sort of put the pieces together. That's amazing. And do they just pick it up for one season at a time? It's just like, hey, you're picked up for the full season.

Yeah. Well, we didn't know. I don't even know if we have official word as to how many episodes we're doing and sort of all of that. But we found out that, you know, we got the, we got season one and we're going. joined upfronts and which we just came back from. And that was a really cool experience to sort of get to be there with, you know, the CW family and see all the execs that I've known from Arrow.

And as I'm sure you know, all of those folks incredibly well. And see Jared and Jensen and have, you know, us and the Walker's and the Winchester's and all of us kind of getting to do our new thing and be the next generation. It's really beautiful. That's amazing. I mean, how with all, you're so busy. You're always since I started talking to you, it's like, God, how does this girl do it? How does this woman do it?

I'm like, how do you, how do you date? How do you have time for personal relationships or anything like that? Do you have time to date? Do you have time to have, I mean, are you dating someone? Are you talking to someone? Are you interested in someone? You find time. You find time to have those, you know, to have a personal life.

And to, you know, when the person, you find, it's funny. I've, something that I've learned in the last several years, especially with Shadowhenders and Arrow and this and everything else and Comic-Cons and, you know, the life we live. Yeah. You find those moments of personal life that are just simple, that are, means so much. Yeah. And, you know, when the people mean a lot to you, like family, like someone you're dating, it's easy to find those pockets of time because you just do it.

Really? It just seems like it'd be so hard. like you're always out somewhere else in another state and another country. You're in London right now, right? Yeah. What do you do in London? I sleep well on international flights, you know, that. I do really well.

I know I'm lucky because I'm tiny and I can curl up into a corner and, you know, sleep even in the in the worst of coach flights. Right. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're not taking coach anymore. Oh, yeah. You still coach it up? Oh, yeah.

How often? Oh, most of the time. Not on the studio's dime. Well, not on the studio. I mean, look, you know, there's union rules that, you know, there's, they take very good care of us when it's for work, which is lovely. And I'm so grateful for that. But I don't know. I was never used to anything like that before.

So, you know, might as well just, I'm perfectly fine, curling up in coach. Do you get noticed a lot? Do people come up to you? Sometimes. Yeah, it always surprises me. And it happens more when I have red hair than when I have blonde hair. I like the blonde hair. Thank you.

I do. I dig it. I'm digging it. Thank you. A little bit of arrow leftovers. But no, I'll be back red soon because Abby's a ginger and, you know, we lean full tilt into that, which I think there might be some fun Irish Bostonian things. We might be having the opportunity to explore later down the line. Wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh lineup.

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Yeah. Really, you don't splurge and say, you know, it's on my dime. I'm going to go first class. You're kind of, you're a little cheap, be honest. Sometimes I do. I mean, look, you know, there's, I frequent flower miles are a beautiful thing. When you can upgrade, you can upgrade, that's great. But I'm, I don't know.

I'm not, I'm generally not a very, you're down to earth, is what you are. You're down to earth. Missouri, you know. From Missouri, girl. I'm a country girl at heart, you know. Can take a girl out of the Midwest, but she's always going to end up back in a Western. That's true. That is very true.

Do you miss me of smoke? I do. 100%. You do? I do. And it's one of those things that I got the opportunity to go back and pick her up again on the Flash last year. They did this big Armageddon event where they brought in a bunch of fun characters as the world was ending, as it always is, somewhere in the CWverse. And it was actually quite emotional because Green Arrow was one of the last jobs I did before the pandemic, barring the stand and a few other things.

and getting to go back to the, you know, Vancouver Film Studios and put on the suit again. And it was such kind of a bookmark of, it felt like home. And it was the first time that in two and a half years of abnormal and weird and unknown environment that we'd all been living in, I just felt normal again. I felt like I was home. Can you just jump into that character again, Mia?

Can you just jump right into it without thinking? Can you go from Abigail Walker to Mia? Probably. And I think it's just because I know, there's characters that you just know when you live in their skin for years. They're just a part of you. And that's what I find exciting. That's why I love doing television. That's why I keep coming back to it.

What did you do? So you don't mind guest starring. You'll always go back to be a guest star. You'll do whatever if you like it. Oh, yeah. Just put that green arrow signal in the sky and I'll come and run in. Really? Oh, yeah.

Do you think you'll go back to it? Do you think they'll bring you back as Mia? I would hope so. I mean, I'm not dead. You know, I'm not dead on a slab yet, so I'm hoping. And plus, my brother's still missing. It's a whole thing. Like, there's, I got to, I got to find the other Elycity baby, you know what I mean?

There's like, there's, you know, can't have wanton queen children running around the Euroverse. Do you get paid for doing, if you do like Batwoman Flash and Supergirl all in one episode, like you're crossing over? Do you get paid your salary in each, for each show? I don't remember. There's some. I'm interested in knowing that.

Yeah. Yeah, there's some way that they accounted for it in the contract where it was like fair to everyone, which I'm fine with. You know, I mean, you know me. I'm an economist. I'm a business woman at heart. But as long as it's fair, I'll, you know, I'll take it. You'll take it. What about, you know, the spinoff?

I think we talked about it maybe. Did we talk about it before? Probably briefly. Because it was briefly, you know, they were, it was called Green Arrow and the cranberries. No, in the canaries. And the canaries. And it was a spin-off of Arrow, and it didn't go. Now, this seems odd to me because it seems like everything you touch goes, works.

Not everything. But how do you deal with rejection? How do you deal with that? Were you just kind of like, was that a sting? Did it hurt? That was hard. You know, again, because it's Mia. And it's a character that I love so much.

And, you know, we all worked so hard on that pilot. And it's, that was such a. you know, it was such a journey. We all say that, but it was in between crisis on infinite Earths and the series finale of Arrow. We shot a backdoor pilot for this spinoff and somehow our crew was so incredible and they pulled it together and the writers and everyone was stretched so thin and made a pilot that was great and people really seemed to love it and we loved it and it was very well received. But it's just one of those things that you have to a trust in the universe that if it's meant to be yours, it will be, and if it's not, there's

something else out there for you. And I feel, I mean, as much as I would have loved to do that show, and I still would love to continue Mia's journey moving forward, the fact that I, that Mia still exists in the world, and I have a new story to tell with a new character that is equally as challenging and interesting and complex, it's really exciting. I can't complain. No. Did let you see the pilot? I've seen bits of it. Really? So aren't you curious that you want to see the whole thing? I do want to see it.

Watching myself isn't my favorite thing. Really? Wait a minute. I didn't know that. You don't like watching yourself. I don't love it. I like it for the learning experience of it. You know, I can enjoy it for the story.

But I always want to, I always think there's room to improve and to learn from things you've done. and there's ways that you can keep pushing yourself to be better. And, you know, being the perpetual student that I am, I tend to see those things more than other things at times. But that's just part of it. And I've made my piece of it. You know, I've been doing this for years now. I've made my piece of the fact that, yeah,

that's not the most comfortable thing for me. But I would rather be a little bit uncomfortable and get to enjoy everyone's work and what we put so hard in and in celebrating that together than avoid it entirely just because of, something in my head. Do you watch the episodes of Green Arrow that you were in and all the Batwoman the crossovers? Do you watch every episode that you're in? I do because I try and live tweet. It's something I love. We started doing that with Shadowhunters and I just, I felt so in love with that

process because it's, maybe it's the theater actor in me. I don't know, but getting to see the live reaction of folks on Twitter as things happen and things that we've kept so secret and hidden and worked so hard to curate so specifically as they hit the screen and then the internet kind of blows up in its own little way and and people are excited or they're happy or they're upset or they're sad or they're scared or whatever it is it's just nice to be able to share that and then to drop little behind the scenes things and have those conversations live with with the viewers it's fantastic yeah i want to know though what you look at what you see when you watch yourself what is it that you what is it that like you know i'll watch myself and i go

oh dude gosh your head's enormous god what is that Is that a Zit? Are you too old for a Zit? How do you have a Zit on your chin? Oh, God. I'm hard on myself too. But do you do that? Can you honestly sit back?

Because sometimes I'll go, you look pretty good. That's good lighting. That must be really good lighting. Congrats on the lighting team. But do you look at yourself and it's hard to watch you because you know, your choices or you don't like how you look or how hard are you on yourself? And what is it your heart on?

It depends. It really depends. And it, you know, it's one of those things that it depends on the scene or the day or the choice or the lighting or whatever it is. And, you know, I think a lot of it is thinking back through what my process was and going, wait, I was trying to figure out what take it is. I think it's the nerd in me. I'm trying to be like, was that that take or was that that take? And did I make this choice or where was my head when I was doing that? Or it was just, why do you make that face when you feel that thing?

I don't know. Sure, go for it. Maybe not the best choice, but, you know, maybe don't make that choice next time. Well, wait a minute. Wait a bit. Do you make faces and go, what if it's a face that you really, a reaction that was real? And most people see it as a real reaction, but you don't like the look of how you reacted. Well, if it's real, then I can't argue with it.

We can't argue with it. Then that's what I'm doing my job, you know? Honestly, I've made a fool of myself enough on camera in the course of my life. I'm not bothered by looking silly in front of a bunch of people. Did you watch, you watched Walker pilot, right? You watched that. I've seen bits and pieces of it.

Bits and pieces. I would demand, I am the lead of this show. I will watch it when I want to. I am the leader. And by the way, do, is it a lot of, you know,

because you did it on shadow hunters, but to be the leader, I mean, is there something that you go into every day, no matter if you're feeling down or you're feeling whatever that you go into a positive? Is there something you think about like,

hey, I'm the leader here. I have a responsibility. I've got to change my attitude or I've got to think about things differently. I think that's part of it. If there's anything I've learned from watching other people in this position and from being the position myself, it's you have a responsibility not only to play the character, but also to be the example on set and be the example of how you want the set to run and what environment do you want to work in. And what environment do you want the people around you that you care about to be working in? And do you want that to be a positive, collaborative environment, or do you want that to be a different kind of environment? And it's your choice every day.

And now, granted, as an actor, I control nothing and I can do nothing except put forth my best efforts to be a team player and to be a cog in the machine and make everyone's job easier in any way that I can. because, you know, as actors, our jobs are made about as easy as they possibly can be, given that, you know, we have a chair to sit in and we have someone who lays out our clothes and helps us put on our corset in the morning and makes sure we don't have stuff in our face unless we're supposed to, you know, and makes sure we're lit well and the cameras and the, you know, we're given a piece of tape to stand on and someone's there to make sure we're fed and know where the bathroom is and all of that stuff. I want one of those every day.

Right. That's my life. I want somebody to dress me. I want somebody to say, hey, you know, fix me up. I want somebody to tell me what to do. Maybe that's a wife. Maybe. Maybe.

I don't know. I would certainly make life so much easier. Yeah. But there's something to that where being in that position, you have new people coming in every day who, whether there are new actors or a day player in some other department, and everyone's there and you interact with most people on set, every day. So if you can make someone's day a little bit easier or put a smile in their face or, you know, do or say something silly that makes them laugh, why not?

Where do you film Walker? We shot the pilot in New Mexico. Is that where it's going to film now, or? I think so. I mean, again, I'm an actor. Do you like New Mexico? Do you want to film there? Is it, I mean, it's kind of away from everybody. It is, but I sort of like being on location when it comes to diving into a series because you really get to build the family

and we have a great cast everyone is so fantastic it's it's uncanny how well we all just clicked from day one and it's such such a gift especially on a project like this where you're working long hours and you're covered in dust and there's wind

and there's everything all day long you're doing such emotional stuff where you really have to dive in head first with you know on a pilot a group of practical strangers especially in the COVID era when chemistry reads are done on Zoom and you really don't get to meet until you're in it and you're working together.

It's such a dream and New Mexico is such a beautiful, magical place and it does have to work for us and that's part of Walker and that's part of Walker Independence in particular is that the town is a character and so we get to really use the environment around us in every way,

And Larry really leaned into that as well in the way that, you know, he shot it with, yeah, we're not going to shy away from the wind or the dust or the sun or any kind of harshness of this environment. Sounds like hell. That's going to get old, though. Don't you think that's going to get old? It's really nice. And it's go, oh, it's so real. And then episode 18, you're like, good Lord, enough with the dust. That's what I would be doing.

But also, why not have a challenge? I guess. I mean, how many, when will it air? Do you know? I think fall Fall I know we're on Thursdays that CW

did their big schedule announcement and we were part of that Well then you have to start shooting Yeah I think we start pretty soon I'm not sure exactly when But again this is all All brand new information For the last couple of weeks

And you don't know how many episodes yet I don't know that there's been an official stamp on it So I don't want to speak out of turn You know I'm still new I got to stay put. I'm not, you know, I'm not Jared. I'm not executive producer.

Well, you will be when they do a prequel to Abigail Walker. There you go. The Shadow Hunters. How many episodes did you do that a year? We did, our first season was 13, and then we did 20 and 20, and then we did a two-episode series finale. So all in all, 55 episodes. You see how, though, you can remember, I know you can when you did 13 episodes. how much nicer that wasn't easier

and you had a bigger break and it wasn't as but when you do 20 episodes you're there for eight, nine months and it's pretty taxing. It's not easy. People say being an actor is so easy and we're just but it's not. It's not like it's not a glamorous job, really. No, I mean, look, I've had,

like you say about the dust and the wind, I might get, you know, you say that it might become a challenge, but remember I've been covered in blood and dust and, you have, you know, slime and all sorts of stuff for the last seven, eight years. I'm used to it. I love it. I love being in the trenches. I love being, my favorite days on set are being

head to toe covered in blood, mud, sweat, and tears. Gosh, you're a rarity. In the trenches. Yeah. So bring on the dust and the wind. All we are is dust and the... Do you remember that song? Do you remember that? I would hope so. I mean, you're 26 now. Far more mature than I'll ever be at 26. Yep, you are. The new Shadow Hunter's podcast.

Mm-hmm. I'm joining your world now. What do you mean? The podcast world. Oh, the podcast world. Yes, yes, yes. Who approached you about this? So I started talking to one of our producers at this company called Propagate about creating content and what else we could do working together.

Just during the pandemic, what else can I do? being a creative, someone who wants to be a multi-hyphenate, how can I get involved? And one of our producers turned to me and went, you did the show Shadowhunters and you seem to have a really big fan base for it. Like there's a really big fandom that's still very active. I don't know, oh, you have no idea. And she said, well, what if you were to do a podcast? Maybe, you know, rewatching episodes or interviewing people.

And we started talking and developing it. And I reached out to Dom and said, Sherwood, who played Jace, my love interest on the show, I reached out to him and said, hey, would you want to go on this walk down memory lane? Would you want to go back and rewatch and bring on some of the rest of the shadow fam and interview people and discuss this? And he was totally on board because this fandom is so incredible. And I know we've talked about it at length before, but, you know, they've done so many incredible things over the years and taken the show beyond, or taken the fandom beyond us and beyond the show and beyond our characters

and the story and created this beautiful community. And, you know, for me, Shadowhunters was age 19 to 23. It was such a formative part of my life and being able to look back on it now and relive that and see where all of the people that were so instrumental in that process are now and the amazing things they've done and be able to kind of continue to celebrate that family. it's really, really a wonderful experience. Return to the Shadows with Dominic Sherwood and Catherine McNamara. Indeed. Wow.

When does this, is it already going? It is. Yeah, we've started releasing episodes. I think we have about, I want to say, seven or eight episodes out already. Really? Yeah. And so what do you do? Do you go back and watch the episode and then talk about it?

So we alternate. So Dom and I will go through, and the two of us will do a rewatch of an episode where we basically break down when the episode was shot, who directed it, who wrote it, what the synopsis is, and then kind of talk about it and share as many little tidbits and stories and all the stuff we've never been able to talk about before, basically. Would you go back to the shadows? Would you go back to Shadowhunters if they did like a TV movie or they wanted to do another season? In a heartbeat. Really? In an absolute heartbeat. You loved it that much.

There's not much. Is there anything that you don't love or didn't like filming or didn't like working on without, you don't have to tell me. But has there ever been something that you're like, I wouldn't do that again? Maybe. I mean, there's things that have been more difficult than others, but not because of the story or because of the character or, you know, mostly because of the people I worked with. It's all, I've been very lucky in that the majority of the experiences that I've had in this industry have been wonderful and learning. experiences and and things that I would go back to and people that I would go back to. I mean, maybe I'm just a stubborn optimist, but I love what I do.

Yeah, I wish I had that attitude. So we'll, yeah, and so with the podcast, we'll do an episode of that, and then we'll alternate it with bringing on someone, whether it's a cast member or a director or a designer or something that played a part in the show. And usually we try and pair that with the episodes. And so it kind of gives us a chance to not only relive the episodes. And there's some folks that are watching the show for the first time with our podcast, which is exciting. But then we also get to give a little more in depth and give other folks a chance to tell their stories and share their perspective.

And it's been really fascinating to get to talk to people that we know so well and hear stories we've never heard before. Well, when you get busy with Walker, though, how are you going to have time to do that? because I don't need much sleep Michael how many hours of sleep do you sleep how many hours of sleep you sleep uh I I generally on average get about four to six a night but that's all I've ever needed how do you have no bag I know you're no bags under your eyes unless this is just perfect lighting but yeah you're you don't need a lot of sleep you can go four to six hours and you're you have a ton of energy for the next 15 hours yeah that's that's how I function best I mean I can function on less sleep and have.

But to be at my best, that's what I try. And you're learning lines pretty quickly. Like, you could learn them in a night if you had to. It's a muscle for me. The more I do it, the more the further into a season I get, the faster that process becomes. And I think it becomes a rhythm. As you know, I mean, you know this. I don't have to tell you. But making television becomes a rhythm.

It does. And you kind of get into the machine and you can just become a part of that process. It's really hard in the beginning. It's like, okay, it's like, I've got to learn this, and then you're not ready, and you just have to work at it. And then all of a sudden, by episode five, six, seven, you're like, okay, now I know this character. Now it's coming to me. It's easier. Yes, I agree with you than that.

Yeah, you kind of just fall into it at a certain point. And it's, this is, again, why I love television, because you play these characters for so long and you get to live in their skin. And they take on a physicality and a life and a space of their own. And it's exciting to get to build that. build those relationships and build that world and then just sort of set it free. Does Kat McNamara ever cry? Does she get emotional? Yeah. She does.

Yeah. I mean, look, I've got, you know, I'm, I'm a bleeding heart at best because I, I don't know, I've, I care very deeply about the people and the things that I care about. And, you know, I'm a very positive person, but I'm not unfeeling. Right. No, I didn't, I didn't mean it like that. Yeah. I just meant like I do cry. I cry.

I cry. Many things. I'm not constantly crying. But half the times the things I cried are happy things because I'm just a big old softy. You're a big old softy. The new Hallmark. I mean, I'll cry at a Hallmark commercial, you know. Speaking of Hallmark, you did another Hallmark movie, right?

Yeah, I did. classified, and what's so different about this from other Hallmark movies? Hallmark took, has been taking some big steps in the last couple of years with being more open and more, you know, implementing more kind of diverse storylines into their, their films and their TV shows. And it's really beautiful to see, you know, them taking steps to meet the world that we live in today. And I was, I read this script. I thought it was in the same way that Schitt's Creek did the whole, you know, love the line, not the label sort of thing.

They told a story about love and letting love surprise you and being open to love in whatever way that comes, whether it be fixing, you know, some, some emotional damage within your family from the past or being open to romance for the first time or being open to dating someone you never even thought about dating and then ending up in a beautiful love story wow well put well put I think you're maybe describing yourself too uh maybe maybe are you still tight with your folks yeah uh yeah my my family means a whole lot to me and I um I really really really love just the fact that um I always talk about this but I was raised in a family of so many women who never chose between career and family. It was never, you know, you could be

anything you wanted to be and any combination of things you wanted to be if you were willing to put in the time, the energy, and the work. And having that sort of open possibility presented to me from a very young age, I think was really beneficial. And so I'm, you know, I'm forever grateful for that, but surrounded by some really incredible hardworking folks. Who's the first person who texts you or calls you after maybe an episode of a television show that you're on or a movie you're doing? I usually will hear from, aside from like the cast that I'm working with. I usually hear from either my mom or my grandparents because they're so sweet. Are they in Missouri?

Are they in Missouri? Yeah. Do they have that accent? Do they have a southern accent? to they're like, we really love what you were doing. Not quite Southern, but there's a Missouri character to a voice that I don't really have. Just Midwest, Midwest, feel. Yeah, it's very Midwestern.

But I'll hear from them. And it's so great because nothing phases any of them. But it's been a lovely thing to see, you know, for someone who comes from a family of science and medical professionals, for them to get excited about this as a career and as something, you know, with longevity and something that is a profession. And they get excited, especially about things like this. You know, if I'm doing a Western, they're so excited. Right.

Do you ever seek approval? Is there someone that doesn't always give you that little, hey, you were really good? Or you just kind of want to impress one day, you want to get a message from them? Or are they, you know, that are tough to please? I mean, I think I'm my own harshest critic, honestly. Yeah. I mean, there have been those people in my life, but I don't know, something I think life has taught me in a myriad of ways is that you have to be okay with who you are and you have to know that in your own heart you're doing what's right and you're doing what's true and you're making choices that are going to be good and be good for your life and make you happy. songs you're not hurting anyone else in that process, that's okay. Are you singing still?

Are you still writing music? Bits and bobs. I mean, I've been busy. I've been busy doing other things. Write a song for Walker, the prequel. I guess you couldn't because, I mean, you could. Do they use modern music? Do they use kind of sort of modern music with the show, or do they, is it?

There's a little bit of both. There's a little bit of both. Actually, the music on the show is amazing, between the score and the music choices that they've made. I mean, it's CW. They always make great music choices. It's such a huge part of what they do. But Larry, our director, again, was so meticulous about music. And I think it's just, it's just great. I'm glad, you know, with what I've seen and what I've heard, it really adds so much to the show. You've been seeing in the trailer. But yeah, I've been doing little bits. And I mean, even that was something we loved so much about the podcast, is that our friend Alex

Kinsey, who's an incredible musician and an incredible singer-songwriter, he wrote our theme song, and I got to sing on it. And it's, I mean, it's, you know, it's a podcast theme song. It's 20 seconds. But being back in the studio for 13 minutes recording, it was great. That's awesome. Yeah, it was, it sucks because if you were here, I'd say, come sing on my album. Because we just recorded 14 new tracks and I'm like, I really love the songs and, you know, I'd love for you to do some harmonies, but you're not available. You're not around. I mean, how could you do it? You don't have time. You're not in all. A. Next time. Next time. If I have more of a heads up, let me know.

Next album. Next album. All right. This is called shit talking with Cat McNamara. Oh, my. Who calls you Cat? Who calls you Catherine? Ooh, it depends. There's, it's funny because when I grew up in Missouri, everyone called me Catherine. I was always Catherine. Then I moved to New York and I was doing a show with Catherine Zeta Jones. and there were two other Catherine's in the show as well. And one of the actors pulled me aside my first day

and goes, there's too many Catharines here. You're going to be Katie Mac. So in New York, I'm Katie. Really? Everyone calls me Katie or Katie Mac. Yeah. And then I moved to L.A. And I was working with someone

and they went, I don't really like Katie. I'm going to call you Cat. And so then in L.A. I've always been Cat. But it's wild. because now there's certain people in my life that call me Catherine only and my family calls me everything under the sun.

And so I sort of just let people choose. And it's fun. All right, Katie Mac. I think it's a fun. Yeah, you can call me, I like Katie Mac. Nobody calls me a Katie Mac. All right, Katie Mac. We'll go with Claudine with shit talking with Kat McNamara.

These are questions that my top tier patrons get to ask. If you want to join Patreon, support the podcast, patreon.com slash inside of you. I'll write your message afterwards. Claudine, you kind of answer this question. Claudine says, how was it returning to the Aeroverse and playing Mia Green Arrow again? It was great. And actually, I can speak a little more to that in that, you know, Eric and all of the writers on Flash picked up right where we left off.

I mean, a year later, as it were, but right where we would have left off. And it felt as though I was reading an Aero script. It felt like Mia. It sounded like Mia. and Mia has such a very particular balance of brooding anger and sarcasm. And it's a very hard balance to strike sometimes and not let it go too far either way. And in reading the script, it was, it was, it just felt right. And I was so happy to just be home.

I love it. Lisa H. What was it like portraying the character of Julie Lowry in the remake of The Stand? Such an iconic miniseries and novel. And did you see the original miniseries prior to being cast? So how did you think they compared? Yeah, I love the original miniseries. I mean, I'm a huge Stephen King fan.

Mick Garris came, who's the director of the original miniseries, worked on Shadowhunters back in the day. So I knew it quite well. And playing Julie, she's quite a polarizing character. And I was pretty nervous stepping into those shoes because I was hopeful to maintain that separation between self and the character. Don't be a Julie.

That's all I keep saying to people. But just the fact that she is this personification of narcissism and hedonism and gets to have fun in a world where so many people are being so earnest and really fighting for humanity. Julie is just living her best life covered in fur and jewels and sequins and drinking champagne and doing whatever else she's doing. And I also, you know, to be surrounded with such incredible actors, like Nat Wolfe was my partner in crime for the majority of it. Henry Zaga, I got to do some great stuff.

Alex Scarsgard was in the majority of, you know, the scenes that I was in. It was amazing to get to play with those folks. Did you meet Stephen King? I didn't. And I'm so gutted. Oh, God, I'd love to meet Stephen King. Somebody got me his autograph once at a book signing, but that's it. He signed Pet Cemetery, I believe, for me.

I have it up there, I think. Oh, that's awesome. Or is it? No one cares, Michael. Nico, what's the most common question you get when it comes to your character on Shadowhunters? Oh, I think the most common question I get is what quality are you, do you find most similar to yourself and Clary? And, you know, my answer to that is always that there's this loyalty that Clary has to the people that she loves. And this, Clary always had this beautiful willingness to find hope in every situation.

And it wasn't the end unless there was always a way to figure it out. There was always a solution. There was always some glimmer and some ember of hope existing in who she was. and I find myself having that same quality. I could see that. I could see it. Bob Kay, what classic film would you remake and star in?

Oh, that's tough. I don't know. I don't know if it would ever need remaking. But one of my favorite classic films of all time is Gilda with Rita Hayworth from 1946, I believe. It's like the end of noir. And I just love Rita Hayworth so much.

and maybe not remaking that film, but to do a film of that era and to bring noir back would be fantastic. I could see you doing it. Leanne, what is something people would be surprised to learn about you? Surprised to learn about me. That you have a, that you can just snap.

You just go off on someone. No, no, no. No, I'm directionally challenged. is that is that surprising uh so in other words when someone's going to make a left you'll go right i just get i have no sense of direction yeah i'm not great with it i'm not great with it i know left and right and stuff like that but i'm not great i'm not great yeah i'm generally 180 degrees off consistently if i if i have a feeling that it's left it'll almost always be right so if i asked you where a certain country was or so you're probably not good with that stuff i would i'm geography i'm

if you with but but you know if you ask me how to get somewhere even if i've been there before i'll probably get lost but you know how i look at it i always find the silver lining you know this i have a lot of adventures along the way good for you that's a perfect way to think i like it lena ann if you weren't an actress what could you picture yourself doing for a living so if if i could still be in the entertainment industry i would probably direct I've been shadowing and learning and dipping my toe in the water for the last couple of years. And it's something that I very much would like to do. I also started writing during the pandemic, which I've written nonfiction things over the years,

but writing and telling stories and doing things in that way. It's new, but I love it. But if not, I would probably go back to economics. Before I was an actor, I wanted to go into developmental economics. didn't you try to get your master's degree from john hopkins yeah yeah i took i took a bit of a sabbatical from that um you know during work right right i i do want to finish that up you do you really want to finish that i do look at you i mean you graduated high school you graduated high school and you were what 14 yeah you were homeschooled and then you graduated with a college i mean with a degree but by the time you were 17 mm-hmm that about wraps it up for today i love school i love learning i know you know i just any any time i can learn or glean something from uh an experience or a person or a book or anything i i try and do it's what life's all about what's your instagram at cat dot macnamara

and twitter cat underscore macnamara you know i always tell this but my Instagram is the Michael Rosenbaum but my Twitter my name was too long so it's at Michael Rosenbaum they couldn't fit an F and A in there so it's Rosenbaum Why not? Throw a pun in there

It's got character Yeah Katie Mac this has been great I love it's been a long time coming I'm glad I got to talk to you finally You look fantastic your attitude makes me want to have a better attitude It does

You just have a great attitude it towards everything in life. And it's just like, I, you know, we should all wake up and, you know, act like you do and, and do the things that you do to get motivated and have the gratitude and all these things. I feel like you're very grateful and you're very hardworking and you deserve everything you get. Oh, thank you. I mean, and you're right. That's what it comes down to for me. I'm, I'm grateful. I feel very fortunate and very humbled by, you know, the opportunities that life has put in front of me, whether it's the people I get to work with

and the stories I get to tell and the people I get to meet along the way. And if I can wake up every day and remember that gratitude and be excited to do whatever it is that I have to tackle that day, makes it all the better. What's the Walker prequel called? The Walker prequel is called Walker Independence. Walker Independence will probably air you're hoping in the fall.

So you guys tune into that. It'll be on the CW. Any further questions? I would direct to Jared Padillickey. No, I don't want to throw him under the bus. You get throw him under the bus. I'll call him. No.

I mean, he's my grandson. He's got to help a grandma out, you know. He's got to help his great, great, great, great, great grandma out. Katie Mack, I appreciate you. What were you going to say? I said, oh, he makes a great, great, great, great, great, grandma proud. Yeah, good, good, good, good. uh thanks for doing this thanks for taking the time i know you're busy i love you i wish the best for you

all the best to you bye bye see you she's just very likable yeah and also just busy i've never met anyone that busy she's on her shit i mean talk about someone who doesn't get anxiety really i mean we talked about things but um she's she's a rare breed yeah she just goes and works so hard and it pays off. People like her. They like her. I like her. Did you like her too? Yeah, good. That's good. I want to thank everybody again for listening to the podcast and sticking with us. I know you're here for Catherine McNamara. Keep sticking around. We appreciate it. Watch on YouTube. There's also YouTube clips. You could listen anywhere you get your podcasts and write a review. It tremendously helps the podcast when you write a review.

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