Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - WENDI MCLENDON-COVEY: Finding Comedic Gold, Fighting for Bridesmaids & Ups and Downs on Goldbergs

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

Wendi McLendon-Covey (The Goldbergs, St. Denis Medical) joins us this week for a fun and candid conversation about her experience in this industry and the insatiable workaholic tendencies that have contributed to her success when her back was against the wall. Wendi shares the joy of working on the improv fueled Reno 911! and how she was about to quit acting before landing the audition. We also talk about how she fought to land her hilarious role on Bridesmaids, the ups and downs during her decade on The Goldbergs, and the worst part of performing improv. Thank you to our sponsors: 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🦰 Nutrafol: https://nutrafol.com + "inside" __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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i like this person yeah so uh let's just do it let's get inside of wendy mcclendon covey and um let's do it it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with michael Rosenbaum Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Yes, I'm a huge foreigner fan. You like foreigner? What's your favorite foreigner song?

Don't say feels like the first time. I think Urgent is such a great song. You're playing tricks on my mind. You're everywhere. But you're so hard. I love it. That's it. I love it.

You like the same shit. I think we're the same generation. I think so. Born in 1969. Were you? Yeah. I thought you were younger than me. What are you using skin cream?

Yes. What is it you use? All the illegal substances. I just go down to Tijuana, get my stem cells. But you have good. Use them vigorously. You have good skin. It's the bane of my existence.

What product do you use? Right. I got to keep it real clean because my skin breaks out in hives. What? Elta. I don't know what that is. I gave it to my friends. Just morning and night, you know, stuff you put on your face.

We call that stuff, lotion or whatever. Yeah, yeah. And then it's a gentle cleanser. Okay. That's it. My life changed. So to all my friends. And they're not a sponsor or anything.

They should be. Wow. But what do you use? Right now, straight. castor oil as a moisturizer. What? Yeah, like warm it up in your hand

and just sort of pat it on. That's all I can handle at the moment. I don't know. I'm being, oh, you're being serious. Get into the castor oil vortex. Have you ever heard of this Ryan?

Caster oil. I think motor like cars. Why don't I think motor cars? It's not pens oil. Oh, it's not pen's oil. And it's not oil for casters. It's not oil lay. No.

Oil. Oil. All the lot. Loy of a lot. Yeah. You've done so much stuff. I mean, you really have. You've got to be, like, I know you're probably like me.

You're insatiable. It's never enough. It's never this. But like, you've been acknowledged. You've done a lot of great stuff. A lot of, like, things that people know. People know you from the Goldbergs. People know you from bridesmaids.

People know you from like goosebumps. Like that. It's just everything. You do a lot of stuff. Thank you. Yes. Now, are you, are you proud of the work you've done? Are you grateful? Are you learning to be more grateful? Are you learning me to be more happy with what you've done and take a step back and look at yourself from the outside? I love that question. I love that question. I'm a workaholic, so it's never going to be enough. Okay? That's a character flaw that I have. But I like what I do, you know? And I like telling stories. I like watching other people tell.

I like lifting other creators up, if I can. I mean, I'm a good audience member, and I want to get into more producing. Because you're producing at the end of the Goldbergs. Yes. Did you have your like, did you like get involved or are you like, I'll just take the credit? Well, as much as they would let me get involved. I mean, by that, by the time I was made or had that attached to my name, the show was kind of a well-oiled machine.

So you throw an idea out there every once in a while. Throw an idea, a casting choice, blah, blah, blah. Was it mostly just a credit to shut me up? Probably. Or, you know, just to say they did it. And, you know, it's a nice little courtesy thing to do. Yeah. But, you know, there's other things I've produced where I have been very hands on.

And I like it. I love doing that. I love getting things off the ground. And I hope I can, you know, start to do more of that. But yeah, I have worked a lot more than people think I have. Yeah, you've been around. You know? Yeah.

And also, I think that they forget that they give us a title sometimes. We'll give you an EP credit. Yeah. But they don't realize that us, you know, actors, when it comes to casting, we should be helping them. Oh, yeah. Because we know other actors and we know what they're capable of and we see talent. And, you know, when I've directed, even TV, I was like, this kid. This kid, like, he's green.

He doesn't have a lot of us. I'll work with him. he's got something really special, everybody needs their chance. Yeah. And we see things that they don't as producers and writers because that's not really their, you know, we, this is what we live and breathe. They want to just plug in the person and then it's done. They can move on to the next thing. Right. But we are the ones that are actually acting with these people. We know if they're difficult. We know if they're a pleasure to work with. We can see the bigger. How important is that to you? It is everything. It is. It is.

Everything. Everything. Am I talking too loud? No. Too low. Remember waiting for Gutfman? Too loud. Remember waiting for Guffman when he says,

geez, like, listen, I really think. I can't hear you. You're talking too low. And he goes, what I'm trying to, now you're speaking too loudly. I just remember that. I always loved that. Did you always want to, were you always sort of like an extrovert or somebody who wanted to entertain?

Like, if you go back to like grade school, high school, what were you like? Always wanted to entertain. Always wanted to do things. in front of an audience, but wasn't like the most popular person. Me neither. Wasn't popular at all. And it's not that I was unpopular, but I didn't do the popular kid things. Like in my high school, we actually had fraternities and sororities.

In high school? Come on. No, it wasn't sanctioned by the school, but you did it. And we had like five big sororities. That's not fair. That's not right for other kids. It's not right at all. that click system right away.

There's already the clicks. And now you're advancing the clicks. Yeah, that's not good. What was that for your self-esteem? Or were you in one? I didn't want to be in one. Yeah. So luckily, I had overprotective parents who wouldn't let me go out on weeknights

anyway. So I was like, well, that works for me because I don't want to do this. And at the end, you know, by the time senior year rolled around, everyone hated each other. So it's fine. They all kind of caved in on, on themselves. themselves. But yeah, so I did like quote unquote high profile things, but I wasn't going out to parties every weekend. Like high profile things like plays and things like that. Yeah, I was a cheerleader. I was a dancer. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You were a cheerleader. That's popularity. I guess it is if you

hang with popular kids. So you did. You just cheered with whoever. Like I didn't need, what was I going to do? Hang out with the football players. Like, what are we going to talk about? Ryan was a football player. He's a quarterback. Well, that's great. And obviously, look where he is. He's here now. Yes. Being awesome. But he's an entertainer and he does a lot of things. But like he was for a small school. Right. Small school. Yeah. But a cheerleader. So everybody would go out and do things and you had to go home and you were probably really smart, which you are now, obviously. So you probably studied a lot, got good grades. People thought, oh, Wendy McClendon, she is going places. I don't know that anyone thought that. I graduated in 1987, and that was a time where it still wasn't a given that girls were going to go to college necessarily. And I did well, I did okay in school, but it's not like I made it my whole personality. I was not someone who was like, got to take the SATs, got to get into a good school. But your parents were strict, so weren't they kind of telling you you need to do these things?

They thought I would just be a stewardess. That's legit what they thought I would do, right? No. It's a flight attendant. Yes. I don't think I've ever used stewardess. I think it's a sexy word. Could you imagine if I started using words that you weren't like really old-fashioned words?

You can't say darling. Thanks, honey. You can't do things like that. Oh, shit. You can't say stewardess. What else can you say? You can't say secretary. What do you say?

Administrative assistant. I think secretary sounds pretty. I think secretary sounds prettier. yeah secretary secretary yeah no take some short hand so your parents like were you uh were they harsh with you or they when you say they disciplined you you was who was the one who disciplined you your mom or dad mostly my mom and would she have a loud voice she did um and i i need to say that i love my parents very much they're still with they were they're still with us thank god i love them. I had lunch with them yesterday. But yeah, my mom really cracked the whip at me. But I think this is

because my mom got married at 17. Mine too, I think 17. Yeah. She was pregnant with my brother at 16. Yeah. They got divorced the first marriage. She had two kids by the time she was 18. Oh. And then divorced. He was abusive. And then married my dad when she was 23 with a five and a seven-year-old or something and married my dad who was 18. Oh, my. Oh, my goodness. And then did they stay married? 27 years, but they probably should have got divorced way before that.

Oh, that's interesting. You know, there's some people that when their parents get divorced, they're like just they really don't know what to do with themselves and they're, they're shattered. Their world shattered. Yes, yes. For me, I was like, we're getting divorced. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah.

Oh, that tracks. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing that was hard. Yeah. Yeah. I've been saying that for a while. But the only thing that I think was tough was my mom didn't know how to live by herself.

Ooh. And she, you know, was really, I guess, suicidal. And I was, I just got my first big show ever, Smallville. And she would call me at like two or three in the morning. Oh. Can you wait until after something to get talk about this, please? I could keep my eyes open. I was just like, so that was the tough part, dealing with that.

And then, you know, having to take care of her. Right. You know, for the most part, since then. But that was the tough part. If like, I didn't have to deal with that. It was like, great, get a divorce. Yeah. You guys don't work.

Yeah, yeah. Everything was passive, aggressive. Everything was just, it was just not a fun place to be around. Yikes. You know, but your parents got along real well. They listened to each other? No, they probably. I mean, no, actually they didn't.

No, they are still married. It's been 60 years. Holy shit. That's a feat. That is a feat. And now they're just in each other's DNA. Yeah. They cannot live without each other.

But do they snipe at each other constantly? Of course they do. But if they ever broke up, they wouldn't feel right. They wouldn't know what to do. It would be like losing a limb. That's why they say that people, you know, couples, when one dies, the other dies soon after. Yes. But so they're together 60 years.

You're married for 10? 28 years. Whoa! I was off. 28 years. And together for 31, yeah. That's incredible. Yeah.

I mean, I really like him. You really like him. I really do. Would you say he's just like, because, you know, being in this industry and, you know, especially me, I think about it's like, who could put up with me? And when you find someone who could actually put up with you, but also tell you to fuck off. Yes. And sort of just say, you know, and just they're not going anywhere. Yeah.

They've seen it. Yeah. That's a great feeling. Oh, it's the best feeling in the world. Because you don't know who you're getting involved with when you date an actor. I've never dated an actor, so I don't know what that's like. But I can imagine it would, I mean, being with me is no picnic. Why?

What's difficult about you? I'm emotional. Do you cry often? I don't cry often, but I get frustrated very easily, like with tech things. Well, who doesn't? Yeah. Well, he doesn't because he's a genius. He's a tech.

And he's a wizard. Yeah, exactly. So he's very calm, whereas I am very flighty, but I'm also someone who will never say die. Like, you know that line in the Princess Bride? I know I'm really getting esoteric here. I like where we're going. The Princess Bride, Billy Crystal's character says, mostly dead is slightly alive. That's how I am with life.

If there's a 1% chance of something, there's still a chance. we play in the one percent that's jim carrie we play in the margins what's jim carrie well jim carrie said something like that oh really out of a million percent what was it like what are the chances of a girl like me and a guy like you making it and she's going out she's like uh one in a this or one in a million she's like one in a million so you're saying there's a chance there you go so you're always that i'm always that i think that's probably why you're so successful because you're a fighter You know, I think that tells a lot about you, like, you know, even your story about auditioning for Reno 9-1-1, where you kind of said, well, you tell a story. You didn't have an agent, right?

No, I didn't. I had this useless manager who was someone who would kind of stalk the groundlings. And there's a few of those. They've probably changed over the years. But at the time that I was in the company, there would be people who were always at the shows, always kind of scouting. talent and she snapped me up but she wasn't doing anything and she never did do anything for me no not at all not at all she made it sound like she could walk me through the front door of s and l course they all say you know they all say that but um yeah so i was subbing for someone in a

show and that night an assistant from julie ashton's office came to see the show sounds like an important name. Yeah, Julie Ashton. She's a casting director. She casts a lot of comedies. But her assistant came and brought me in for Reno. Now, Reno had been a pilot on Fox. Two years went by the option lapsed. So they sold it to Comedy Central. They were looking for someone to replace another girl. Right. And we were given very little information about what this was, just a sexy cop from Reno. The word Reno is, very specific. Think of Reno. Think of its citizens. Sexy Reno. How about she just thinks she's sexy? That's what I think. Was that your choice? Yes. She just thinks she's sexy and doesn't

need you to tell her that she is or isn't. She knows. That I can play. A real sexy girl, you got, just look out the window. You can find anyone to do that. But someone who thinks she's hot. Little naive. Well, listen, I got my mirror and I know what I'm seeing. And it looks pretty good. If I can get these pants zipped, I'm wearing them out of the house, you know? Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money, period.

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God. So, yeah, I went in with no expectations and I wasn't nervous because I didn't care. And I think that's why it worked. I think that's why it went in. One audition? Two. I went in once for the, for, you know, Tom and Ben and Carrie and I don't know who else. Love them all.

And then I went in, I guess, for the network or something. And it seemed to go my way. And I called my manager and said, I think. I think I booked a pilot. She goes, what? When did you go out for a pilot? Oh, boy. I didn't know anything about a pilot.

Did you pay her? I did. Because she has to, because you're on contract. Yeah. And you got it. Was that like the, like, all of a sudden you go from, I'm on the brink of just ending this career and doing something else to, holy shit. I made it.

Kind of. Like, oh, I knocked another. brick out of the wall. Yeah. With my head, you know? Seriously. So you do the pilot and then you wait to see if it gets picked up and it got picked up. And okay, I guess we're off to the races, but I never quit my day job.

Did they let you do, did you improv constantly on that show? That's all it was was improv. Yeah. Did you ever, what was one moment from the show that you remember that you just go, that was my best, that was my best moment or one of my best moments when you improvised something. and it was just off the cuff and you knew it was gold. I think it was season five and I was in a morgue

with a bunch of teenagers. Marty laughing. Yeah. You know how you take those trips to the morgue with teenager. And we were talking about the corpse on the table under the sheet had been killed by a drunk driver.

So I delivered a sermon on how made it up made it up on the fly about how don't drive drunk unless you know how to do it properly and the only way to do it properly is to practice so I oh I did this in one or two takes was everybody howling was everybody howling I don't remember you're just in the zone I don't remember but it it just flowed right out of me is is it hard when you're improvising in the beginning to kind of listen for reaction and learn not to and stay in the moment because that will take you out and you'll forget your your path yes yes how hard is that it is very hard especially when the

scene has eight people in it and everybody wants to be a part of it everyone wants to participate but again you got to treat it like it's real life and in real life you don't all talk over each other no hopefully not you hopefully listen hopefully yes go in that direction what's that word again? Yeah. Listen. Yes. That's the most important thing.

When you say that's the most important, yes, the most important. Yeah. Because you can't go, you know, I did some growlings and you can't just say if someone goes, all right, this is a great supermarket. It's got everything. It's like, no, this is not a supermarket. This is, you can't like change gears. You have to go with the flow.

You have to go with it or you just screwed your partner and the audience hates you. Have you worked with people who just you're like, they don't know what they're doing? Yes. And they think they know what they're doing. They think they know how to improvise. Yeah. And they're fucking my shit up. Yes.

What do you do? You have to let the director do what he does. Do they usually figure it out like, okay, she knows what, Wendy knows what's going on. This person, why don't you just, just not say much? Why don't you just say react? Or, yeah, how about let her get that line out and then you can say whatever, you know, it's a, it's very, it's hard to direct improvisers unless you are one year. yourself. Yeah. But yeah, it's hard to be in a scene with someone who just wants to say

their premeditated punchlines, whether or not they're even actually funny. Yeah. Do you ever get nervous, though, while you're improvising? Yeah. What do you do? Power through it. That's all you can do. Do you think funny things come out of that because you're so nervous that you're just almost like, you know, fight or flight? Well, I think the, The comedy really comes from letting yourself free fall for a little bit. You have to be comfortable with that. And really not denying. Just go where it takes you.

Go where the conversation takes you. And something funny will happen. As long as you keep saying, yes, yes, and then I did this. Yes, I am a thief and I also do this. Like some people, their first reaction is to say, uh, like when they're labeled as something. bad yeah big mistake when someone labels you something bad that's the biggest gift they can give you they just gave you a big old morsel of information that you can expand on yes take it and run with it

exhaust it i love that i love that i love when when a director will will shoot one and then they'll say uh rosy just go yeah and i just love to to just like all these things even right where they're rolling I'm thinking of like, okay, I'm going to start with this and I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to look at a shirt. I'm going to just ideas start going. It's not like you just action and then things happen. It's like you sort of have an idea of what you want to talk about. Right. Right.

Who is the best improviser that you've ever worked with? I know that's hard because you're, I mean, you were classmates with Kristen Wigg and Maya Rudolph and Melissa McCarthy and Caitlin Olson, right? Uh-huh. So it's like, you know, but is it hard to answer that? No, it's really easy. Yeah, it's really easy. Jim Rash is an amazing improviser and can save a floundering scene. Gary Anthony Williams.

Yes, I've seen him. He's brilliant. Can improvise circles around everybody and can do the song improvs that most people can do. Why isn't he a huge star? well he's doing pretty well he does but like that guy should be like a superstar well he's he's on night court now yeah is that and i think show i think it's going to really explode this season good i have a feeling because he is he should be doing major motion pictures oh yeah he's fantastic and did you see did you see um the hunt for qanon the reno movie we did you see it no i got to see

Oh, is he great in that? Yes, he's great. It's actually a really funny movie. I'm very proud of this. All right, I'm going to see it. Filmed on the haunted Queen Mary. I filmed there as well. It is terrifying, isn't it?

Yeah. I couldn't sleep the whole night. Oh, did you stay on there? I stayed the night. Okay, the boiler room. Creptastic. Is creeptastic. That is very true.

It is. It really was unnerving. And even if you go in there going, oh, yeah, this is haunted. no matter how much you try to play it off, you're like, what if this is true? It doesn't feel right, does it? Not in the boiler room. And believe me, I'm into all the woo-woo.

Not in the boiler room. I made myself available on that ship. I just walked by myself and was like, who wants to come out and play? And I didn't feel bad anywhere except that boiler room. I felt really like, I got to get out of here. Yeah.

Do you look back in your groundlings classes? and remember people that you were like, I was sure they were going to make it. And they didn't. They didn't pop. And you were like, I thought this person was so freaking funny. Or did that not exist?

The people that you thought were funny did make it. You know, it's funny. The people I thought were funny, they made it, but maybe they're not big names. But when I say they made it, like they're making a living. They're working.

But you thought they'd be bigger as well. Yeah, they'd be household names or something. But maybe, you know, life took them on a different. path. They had kids. They, you know, structured their life a little differently, but I wouldn't say they're, you know, they made the wrong choices. They made a nice little life for themselves. Right. You know, they're not asking anyone for money. Making it really, I mean, if you think about it, is just being a working actor. Yeah. You've made it. If you're making any money acting.

Exactly. You've made it. That's really. But, you know, I'm just thinking this person I just thought would be working with Jim Carrey or they'd be, they'd be bigger than me. Yeah. Okay, I'll tell you exactly who should have stuck with it. All right. So when I first got into even taking classes at the groundlings, I saw a show when I was 23 years old, and it took me four years to call and sign up for classes because I just was too nervous to even pick up the phone. Yeah. So I was working at a shitty Ramada in Anaheim near Disneyland. Not there anymore.

Like other Ramadas aren't shitty. Well, this one was particularly unsavory. Right, right, right. And my friend that I had known since junior high and high school, she got me the job there, she took class with me at the groundling. So we were two secretaries. Okay, that's a callback from earlier. You could say it, I can't.

Two secretaries in the sales department of this Ramada driving out to L.A. on the weekends to take our little class, our little fun shop improv class that was not even on track to being in the company. It was just like, hey, do you think you're funny and you want to do something on the weekends? We'll come and take this little class. So she and I took class. We got through Fun Shop 1. We got through Fun Shop 1. We got through Fun Shop 2, the beginner classes. We auditioned. We got into Basic. She's so funny that she would be rivaling Melissa McCarthy right now if she had stayed. Jesus.

But she was asked to repeat a level and decided, eh, that means I'm not good. I'm not going to do this anymore. So she just stayed with hospitality. However, life is long and I think she needs to get back into it. Why don't she give her that boost? Did you told her? I have told her this. And other people have told her this.

Independent of me. What does she have to lose? Why can't she just go? audition for something or take another class to get loose. Unfortunately, she moved to Oklahoma. And there's not a lot of improv there's not a lot of improv there. Yeah. But they are building

studios there and there are things that film in Oklahoma. They give good tax breaks. And I wish, I mean, I'm sorry for humanity that they don't know how funny this girl is. Yeah. And she's just funny, like she's the funniest person just at at brunch she's the funniest person she makes you laugh like nobody else like nobody else

she's get her in get her in yeah the world needs more funny wish i could do this for her but she has to want it as much as i want it for her you know yeah no i agree i got to ask you this you can say i don't you know you don't want to answer it there's a couple things but rules of engagement did you have fun on that it was so fun now i always hear this rumor and i like them both but that Patrick Warburton and David Spade didn't get along. Is that true? I never saw that. Oh, you never saw that?

I always heard it. I never saw a single thing that would substantiate that. It was misinformation. Yeah. Would you say misinformation? Misinformation, which would be a great drag name. Misinformation. Misinformation.

I love that. I almost love it as much as, God, there was another one because I watched that Dragula show. Sarah Tonin? No, it's something with Beaver. Oh. It's, oh, Sigourney Beaver. Oh, that's kind of cute. That's her name.

She's great, too. I think she won one season of Dragula. It's Drag. Sigourney Beaver. That's awesome. I want to be friends with that person. I know. Inside you is brought you by Rocket Money.

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This is a wonderful story about a little boy who's only gift, his only real talent, he's tuning. Make his teeth sound like everything you hear in everyday life. life. So little Michael loved Halloween, but nothing frightened his friends more than when Michael would stink up a good scare. You hear that? Oh, I heard it. It is a lovely story, and it's beautifully illustrated by my friend Heath and Simon Schuster's putting it out. It's going to be in tons of bookstores and available on Amazon. I'm so proud of it. At this point in your life, you know, before the Goldbergs, you were recognized. People will come up to you and say, oh, my God, you're so funny.

I like you. But the Goldbergs changed your life, right? Yes. And do you remember the audition for that? I didn't have to audition for that. They offered it to you. I got that because of rules of engagement, I think. Because I worked with these amazing producers, Doug Robinson and Annette Davis.

I worked with Doug, yeah. Yeah, my favorite. He's my bro. But, yeah, when the Goldbergs was being. put together, they considered me for that and they started kind of asking me about it right before pilot season. So like before Christmas of that year. Right.

And I was getting offers for certain things, which is great. Wow. I never thought I'd be in this position. But weirdly, I look like Adam's mom. If you see pictures of the real Beverly and me together, we look a lot alike. And I understood that character. And when they showed me the home movies, I was like, oh, yes, I could absolutely do this. And that was it.

I absolutely want this. Yeah. And my agents were saying, no, no, no, we're not going to just take it. We're not going to just take it. We have other things. You know, come on now. Play it cool. You've got other things coming in.

We want you to meet with these people. And I'm like, but this is what I want to do. This is what my heart is. Stop. Stop. Like, I don't want to do those generic things. This is funny to me. And it seemed to work out.

But again, the same manager who told me. You had to pay her again for the Goldberg? No, no, no. This is a different one. So I got, so I had a couple of bad managers before I got the one I currently have, who is a game changer. But I was with a guy who thought I should not do bridesmaids because it wasn't going to go anywhere. and he didn't find it funny. What?

And I said, well, I think working is better than not working. And I got this. You know, I was in, they asked me to the table read three years prior. Like, I was on the journey with these girls. They wanted you. They were nice enough to keep bringing me in. And I booked the job against all kinds of other people. Yeah, I'm going to do it.

What the hell are you talking about? Yeah, yeah. So I did that. And at the time, I also had my, My genius manager was like, well, you got to write a blockbuster movie or sell a TV show. Like, it's that easy. And I said to him, well, I have this thing about a performing arts teacher in the 80s and blah, blah, blah. Stop right there.

No one wants to watch a show that takes place in the 80s. It's not going to sell. It's not going to sell. Put that out of your mind. Oops, who booked a show that was on for 10 years about being in the 80s? And bridesmaids, it seemed to do okay. It seemed to do all right. You know?

I think it did all right. It was like going away to summer camp. It was just easy. And believe me, it's not like any of us knew what the hell was happening. In my view, it was just like, we're going to work. How much improv was in that? A lot. A lot.

How much, I don't know what the percentages of what actually got in. But you're always improvising. A lot, yeah. A lot of the deleted scenes live on you. And there's so many funny things. Yeah. It was really, really fun. Did you think this is when you're doing it?

Because a lot of times we've done this. We've done projects who are like, I don't know, the producer keeps saying that dailies are hilarious and this is great. And we go, yeah, yeah, yeah. I never trust them. I don't trust anybody. I don't trust anybody. Oh, my God.

Every project, oh, bud, wait, you saw this is going to, I know that's not a good sign. That's a terrible sign. Don't talk to me. Yeah. Don't tell me anything because let's all. Remember, this thing has to get edited. Mm-hmm. And it's got to have a nice through line and maybe some of the-

You've got to care about you guys. Yeah. And we've got to give equal time to everybody. And there's an ABC that we have to follow. And, you know, look, the final cut was fine, but I know there were funnier things that happened. But who cares? Yeah.

It is what it is. And whenever I hear, whenever I go on to a project now where they say, oh, this. is going to be a big deal. I think, well, I won't be watching it then. I know it's going to suck. But you can't, this is the thing. Like, we're about to pitch a big actress for this show that I created and I'm excited. And you can't go in there and go, you know, I think it's got a chance.

Yeah. So you got to sell it. Yeah, exactly. You know, and I really do believe it that it's going to be something great. Yeah. So I think when there's passion, but people could see through bullshit. Mm-hmm. So as long as you're level with people like, listen, I've truly.

believe this is awesome and here's why I think it's awesome yeah I want you to do it there's ways of doing that but uh producers and uh agents they have this propensity to sort of just everything's great this is going to be great for you you have to do this you have to do this everything's because you got to remember they're looking out for themselves of course they're looking out for a paycheck they get you on a show they don't have to worry about you anymore and they're getting 10% of everything you make exactly and that's not a bad thing that doesn't make them bad People, that's how the game is played. They have to be good.

Like, okay, I got, I got this client a job. Great. Now I can focus on getting this client a job. Great. She's working. I don't have to hear it anymore. Just, you know, it's numbers. It's absolutely numbers.

That's why you cry to your manager, but you don't cry to your agents. Right. You know, let him do the dirty work and be the middleman. Exactly. When did you know, oh, my God, there's a net. When did you know, there's another man right there. when did you know that bridesmaids this is this is going to be big wow that it was it in theaters is that when you knew or did you know when you were like everybody was saying this thing

you know i think that came as a surprise to a lot of us only because like we weren't getting good reviews in the beginning critical reviews were very mixed and i think it was again as the actor you can't do anything about it all you can do is go where you're told to promote and they were really doing a lot of promotions there were you know when i went to time square and saw all the billboards i was like oh my god this is amazing yes i did but um i think it was a couple weeks in when we just kept building the box office kept building and word of mouth was good like that that's everything then we figured oh oh all right all right maybe we'll get some residuals speaking of that like i'm guessing you probably didn't get paid a ton no for bridesmaids but after

your first residual check it was more than what you had made for the movie sure yeah and they gave us bonuses they gave us little do you still get residuals yeah but they're considerably smaller because it's been 14 years. So maybe a couple thousand a year. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it's a gift that keeps on giving, isn't it? Yeah.

Yeah. But the Goldbergs that lasted 10 years? 10 years. 10 years. Yeah, wow. Was it always troublesome or was it in the beginning? It was fun for a while? No, it was always troublesome.

It was. Yeah. It was never fun to go to work? No, it was fun to go to work in spite of that. And how did you deal with it? Stuff it under the rug. you just were like here we go i'm gonna go sit down until this is done i would just be there doing my best doing i could only control what i could do did you ever say would you just shut the

fuck up and do your lives and stop of course please what are you doing of course of course i've done that before and then and then be met with you're pretty like that's going to jolly me out of being frustrated. Like he would try to charm you. Sure. Sure. Like, I'm sorry. Yeah, but again.

But yeah, but you had fun on the show. No, the show, those were the greatest 10 years of my life. Really? Had the best time. I get emotional still. Really? Yeah. And I love watching the old episodes.

I love it. What makes you emotional? Watching the kids grow up and knowing what I know about them and watching them. They flourished, you know, getting to know their families. Every crew member, I adore. We watch so many babies get born. So many marriages. So many, you know, people got sober.

People, you know, built families. People built friendships. Like, I love those people. And they know how much I love them. I made sure everybody understood how much. how much they were loved. And every guest star we had was amazing. And we had a lot of-

Cedric, our friend Cedric, who introduced us. An amazing recurring guy. Yeah. He's so funny. He's so charming and talented. I love him. I love him. And it was a gift every time he was on set.

Because he's just an energy. And they love. When he's there, it's this energy that he has that you just want to hang out with him. Yeah. You want to be around him. Oh, 100%. Yeah. Like, integrated perfectly.

There was a few years where he was doing his own show. And it was like, damn, we can't get Cedric because he's off doing his own thing. But then, you know, we got him back for a while. Tim Meadows, Dan Bacadol, all the Frentas, you know, Stephanie Courtney. Who's your favorite guest star? Oh, Stephen Toboloski, I think. Really? Yeah.

Why? He has the best stories. He is a fascinating. man. Have you had him on this show? No. Oh, my God. I'd love him. Just listen to a couple of his episodes of his own podcast. What did he do the podcast? I bet he would. Well, if you asked him. He is, he would do it if you asked him. What are you talking about? You're, no, I don't know, but I don't know him. You are Michael Rosenbaum. You hear that, dad. I'm someone. This is a big deal. Jesus. He is a doll and fascinating and has worked with everybody. He's got some

messed up story really really interesting guy you'll do a four-part episode with him that good yeah yeah um what was owen wilson like to work with in paint delightful was he very sweet very soft-spoken um do you think maybe we can just like try this like i don't know if we if we just do like it like the camera comes around on windy like and discovers or i think that'd be really cool he's just yeah that's exactly very calm has his sweet dog with him all the time and you know he looked adorable in that movie i thought he was so funny i wish the movie you know had done better than it did but i thought it was a fun messed up little story yeah i want to watch that too and uh the vicky white story yeah i gotta see this because it's a

lifetime movie no yeah it was it was and it's based on the manhunt for escaped inmate casey white in lauderdale county jailer vicky white just based on that i love crime how do you how much did you Love it. Okay. That came about in a very weird way. So when we were about to start in with season 10 of the Goldbergs, I was given like a little production deal with Sony. Okay. And they were talking to me like, well, what kind of things would you want to do? And I said, well, you know, there's a story in the news right now about this prison guard who busted her boyfriend out of jail and they went on the run for two weeks and now she's dead. I kind of look like her and I think it would be fun to play her. Well, apparently somebody agreed. So they started talking about this. Just like that.

They started talking about this internally and talking to my manager about it. And soon it was set up at lifetime. Now, that would not have been the first place I would go. But they wanted to make it. They tell these stories. They tell these ripped from the headline story. Did you have a lot of say? I'd have a lot of say. Great. We got these two amazing writers who wrote a script that was so fast. actually accurate. Like, Lifetime makes you do annotated stuff. Because if it's ripped from the headlines, you got to be able to back it up. Okay, with truth. And Stan Brooks, who was an amazing director, and I wanted it to be gritty. I wanted it to be not a lifetime movie. Right. To have a different flavor. Yeah. And you know how when you watch Hamilton,

I know this is going all over the place, but you haven't seen Hamilton. You haven't seen it. I know. I know I'm an idiot. Have you seen it? No, you're not an idiot. Everybody's seen it, but I haven't. But here's the thing. In the first, in the opening number, they tell you what's going to happen. He's going to die. He's going to get shot. But you watch the whole thing to see how would happen, how it happened. Hoping, well, maybe it, maybe not. Maybe not. That's how I wanted you to feel. You know they're going to, it's going to end badly. We saw it play out. But I want you rooting for these two people because I do believe that this was the best two weeks of her life. Oh, man. I really do believe that they were in love, as fucked up as

it was. I don't believe, because, you know, people were saying like, oh, yeah, he was manipulating her. You can't manipulate a woman in her 50s if she doesn't want to be manipulated. She had nothing to go back to. She took care of her ex-husband, drug addict, with Parkinson's, until the day she died. She lived in a house next door to her mother to look after her mother. This was a good person. She never did anything for herself. No, she didn't. And I think she snapped and said, wait, I've done all the right things for my whole life. Where's my prize? I'm in my 50s. Because she made it all explode the week she was going to retire. I don't know what happened. So I shouldn't even ask you, huh? I mean, it's worth.

Okay. And it's worth watching our movie. And then it's worth watching the Netflix documentary that just came out, that literally just came out. Our movie came out a year ago. Couldn't promote it because of the strike. This documentary just came out. And we got so many things right and we didn't even know it. Just operating on instinct, even the looks of things. I got to see it. I got to see it. I'm really proud of it. And Rossif Sutherland, who's Kiefer's half brother. Um, he played Casey. We needed to get someone who was really tall because Casey was six foot nine. Jeez. That's a tall fellow. So it is possible they were pushing him in a wheelchair in certain areas so that he, I mean, he's very easily recognized. Yeah.

Anyway, I'm really proud of it. No, I get sense that. I want to see it. I'm not going to ask you questions about it because I want to see it selfishly. Selfishly. Shellfishly. Shellfishly. Don't be so shellfish.

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Thanks. When you were growing up, who did you admire? Who was like, oh, man, I want to be like that? And has that changed? God, yeah. I love Tracy Elman. Dude, I was just talking about Tracy Oman. I know Tracy Ollman because I was name drop,

but I was close friends with Carrie Fisher. And Tracy would always come over and she hated my 80s music. She hated that I loved 80s music. And we laughed and jokes. I just emailed her yesterday. I haven't talked to her forever to see if she'll come on the podcast. I love her. I don't know she'll do it.

But like I love, I think she's a genius. I don't know why she wouldn't. She is the most underrated actor ever. And yet when you bring up her name, that's the response. wants you get like, oh, I love her. Why isn't she in every movie? She keeps it pretty low-key, though.

She is low-key, yeah. She keeps it low-key. I love that you said that. She is brilliant. I buy whatever she's selling. And when she first came on the air in the 80s with the Tracy Elman show, which is where we got the Simpsons, okay? I thought that, that right there, that's what I want to do.

This is exactly what I want to do. Play different characters. make people laugh this much. I mean, her ability to just make you forget that you're watching Tracy L.man. Commit. Yes. She commits like no one else.

She is goals for me. Who would you love to work with besides Tracy Oman? Besides Tracy. I mean, you work with Sally. Samuel L. Jackson. I think he and I would be adorable together. I think you would be. I think we'd have a lot of adventures.

I think Regina Hall is, and I did get to work with her on Think Like a Man, too. I got to work with all those funnily. Awesome. But Regina Hall is probably the most naturally funny person I've ever spoken to. Wow. She is just a love bug. I would do anything to do something with her. Let's see.

Who else? Who would you want to work with? Gary Oldman Yes Are you watching slow horses? A little bit I'm getting into it Okay

Kristen Whig I think she's one of the funniest people On the planet too I don't know I mean Harrison Ford's a little I mean I love to work But he's a little He's getting a little old

I don't know how much fun it would be I bet it would be very fun Look kid I can't even hear what he's saying When he's talking I wait a what Karas I'm sorry I can't hear you when you're speaking.

There's a lot. I mean, I don't know. There's, there's so many great actors. But, like, I think Gary Oldman, I think, yeah, I don't know. That's, oh, Danny McBride. I think he's one of the funniest people on the Flannock. Yeah, he's funny. I mean, yeah, that, that's it.

Who's your favorite all-time serious actor? I do love Merrill Street. You work with Sally Field. I mean, come on. I did work with Sally Field in a strange little movie. And I was so intimidated. I bet she was so nice. She was so sweet.

But, you know, she's playing kind of a, a kooky woman. And I was playing her bitch sister-in-law. So I kind of, you know, maintain those boundaries. But all I wanted to do was like, oh, my God, I love you so much. You're such an inspiration, blah, blah, blah. She's amazing. Just want to hug her. Okay.

I love Liam Neeson. Listen to me. And I did get to do a movie with him, but I was mostly cut out. I didn't. Which one? Called Mark Felt. the man who took down the White House or something like that. I played his secretary.

I think actually heard about that. Yeah, I haven't seen it. He was lovely. He's tall and handsome and charming and like just has a lot of presence. And very funny, too. I love watching him in comedies too. Like, do you remember that movie Husbands and Wives that Woody Allen did? I do remember. Yeah, yeah.

He was great in that. He was funny. It's amazing how don't you feel like a lot of comedic actors? are usually the best actors. I think so, too, because it's hard. For some reason, if you look at like Robin Williams and Jim Carrey, like if you think that, no, they can't do drama, they're just going to be funny, but there's some such darkness that they have within.

And I think that's why it resonates. Yeah. You know, I mean, you, you probably love doing drama. It's probably a lot easier for you. no comedy's easy yeah it's probably easier to do drama you don't have to think about improvising see i couldn't tell you that i couldn't tell you if that is true because you still sometimes have to improvise in dramas you sure i couldn't say one's harder or easier than the other it's it's the same like tell the truth yeah in both i mean i love and shut up and listen yeah i mean i love doing

comedy i love making people laugh but when somebody gives me good you know what it is it's the writing it's all about the material yeah if the story stinks or has big holes in it it doesn't matter you can't make it funny or emotional it's got to be the perfect storm i think you know like with the goldbergs it was like the perfect time the perfect actors the perfect you know what i mean uh bridesmaid it was the perfect cast it was the perfect script it was the it was the time it all has to come together this is called shit talking with wendy mcclend this is my top patrons It's patreon.com slash Insighty. Thanks for supporting me in the podcast.

I appreciate you. Thanks. Leanne, if you had to choose a theme song for your life, what would it be in the Y? My theme song has always been Pegg from Steely Dan. And it has been that way since I first heard the song as a child that has always been my theme song. And when you smile for the camera,

I know they're going to love it. Peg. do do do do do yeah so it's about a girl that went on to do big things and i just love it uh gen t um on the goal bergs bev is a top-notch cook do you cook and if so what is your favorite meal to make you know i'm not terrible i'm not a terrible cook really but i'm not going to say i'm the best i um i have i have jags where i cook a lot and then And I just order takeout for months and months. But I do make something called a barbecue goddess chicken pizza where I'm, I homemake the crust myself.

Wow. You have a pizza cooker? I don't. Oh, no. Oven? I don't have that. Yeah, it's quite delightful. Very colorful, lots of peppers on it.

I said pizza cook. sweet and sour pizza cooker we knew what you meant yeah but who says pizza cooker why couldn't i figure out oven it's all right it's all right thank you you have a way with words i i don't but thank you jessica b what do you do when you get overwhelmed with something oh well that's interesting because in my old age i find that i need to spend a lot of time alone like if i go to a big concert or something after that the next day I can't talk to anybody just from the overwhelm of the night before too much stimulation too much stimulation yeah so I'm really good at powering through things like if I'm on set and I feel overwhelmed or whatever I just I'm really good at sucking it up

and going just keep going keep going is that good for me I don't know but it's what has to be done so yeah yeah no that makes sense Elizabeth Al, what is a coping mechanism you have when your mind starts to go to dark places? Oh, boy, that happens a lot. Me too. I have to change my physicality. So if I'm, if I'm pouting in a chair, I have to get up and do something, just walk around, move things around. Just do that, change whatever I'm listening to because whatever it was, it wasn't helping.

So I got to put on something. Maybe my theme song. Maybe I'm heck. Yeah. I am someone who has to have background noise at all times. I feel like I do too. Yeah. So the TV is always on.

Come on. Your name in lights above. Okay, that's all we can play. Oh, shoot. Oh, yeah, fair use. But you say, you know, you have to get up. You have to do these things. Change your physicality.

Change whatever you can control in your environment at that moment. Shift it a little bit. So put on music or turn on the TV or turn it off, whatever. Yeah. Take a drink of water. Do some deep breathing? Do you get anxiety or depression? Have you had that?

Yeah, I've been medicated for years and years. Me too. you want you're on i'm on effectsor and i'm on lexapro okay things work differently for everybody everybody has a different brain chemistry do you get brain zaps if you don't take your lexapro at the same exact time i don't take well i do take it every morning when i wake up but i don't get brain zaps but um sometimes i think it's working a little less and less sometimes i think it's okay okay so kind of i don't know if i need to go up or i don't know but right did change my life in a lot of ways the last year and a half i just felt like i wasn't worried

about so much shit i was just like let's do this i'm not going to get nervous about everything i'm not going to get you know freaked out i'm just so it did help me with a lot don't you think it helped you think that's interesting in a lot of ways all right i'm like really no the the the the medication of it all it's it's very interesting i didn't want to go on it but when i went on it um it worked immediately and i could feel the difference i couldn't walk across the room for two weeks because of the brain zaps and the dry mouth and the dizziness but you know it eventually your body becomes accustomed to it now i can never go off it without being put into a medical coma probably because effectsor is like the worst one to get off of it is yeah i got on an effector see it worked great

for you that's why they say when someone says this works don't don't think it works for you because chances are it probably doesn't but it could i tried a fexer and i was out of my mind i was having the worst anxiety tax it was worse than ever i had to get off it immediately oh but some people swear by a fexer wow and the same thing with lexopro you know lexopro is one of those it's been around a while yeah So I felt safe doing it. But there's times when I'm thinking, you know, because I get certain side effects that I'd like to sort of get rid of. And I wonder if it's worth it because then you have to try something else. You know, like you have to go through that.

And that is the biggest pain in the ass. It's like you have to try it for a couple of weeks. And you could be really struggling hard for those two or three weeks before you go, okay, this isn't working. And the withdrawal is brutal. brutal yeah it's and again like there are times when you should feel anxious like you don't want to dull yourself to where you don't feel anything you should feel anxious sometimes you should feel scared and depressed sometimes emotions help you know navigate through life and understand what's good and bad yeah i worry when i hear people oh i've got at a van in my purse the whole you know

at all times I got some value and blah blah blah it's like well so you don't really know how to live in the world do you you're in for a rude awakening you know if your little pharmacy goes away at some point you're you're not going to be able to cope and you're not you're expecting something to happen and then you have something to do for it where but it's it's this pill this thing so you're in perpetual just like uncertainty of what's going to happen with you so the thing with being on something like an anti-depress or anti-anxiety consistently uh gives you a sense of normalcy and um you don't feel like i never feel like oh my god i'm going to fall off the deep end i feel like okay it could i could get a little low i could get but it's not going to be like it was yes and i don't

want to have to rely on drugs like xanax which are fucking terrible for you and all these you know um so yeah i mean look i eventually like to wean off it but i don't know when that's going to happen. I just don't know what's good. This has been an absolute joy. You're a joy. You're a joy. You're a joy. You're already have. You're doing so much. What else is going on now? I'm on a new series on NBC called St. Dennis Medical. Yes. Yeah. So that finally debuts. Yes. Well, not the creators, but some of the people that. Some of the people that worked on it on the office. How fun is it? Superstore. American Auto. So it's been really fun. It's been really fun. Yeah. We're very lucky.

because they, I mean, look, they ordered this pilot in 2023. Okay. We finally got to go to work in 2024. And the damn thing is finally premiering in two weeks. So NBC. NBC. St. Dennis.

St. Dennis Medical. St. Dennis Medical. With David Allen Greer. Great. Which is a dream come true. I've been a big fan of his for years and years, as are most people.

Alison Tolman, who's a gem. That's got to be difficult, though, to, because it's a lot of improv, right? Yes and no. Because I can't imagine being a doctor and having to improvise, like, doctor. Oh, no, you absolutely can't. No, you can't. You have to say those lines. You have to say those lines.

And we have, you know, medical texts that help us look like we know what we're doing. But it's been an absolute joy. We're very, very lucky. And I think it's funny. I'm not sure. I hope you guys like it. I think it's funny. You're extremely funny.

And you know what I like about it is you're open, you're easy to talk to. You've sort of like, you're not old, but you've lived where you've gone through enough in your life that you could finally kind of go, I think I know who I am. Yeah. I think I know what makes me tick. I think I know what upsets me and I know how to deal with people more. Right. Like, you know, you start to experience good relationships, bad relationships, and that's just

experience in general. So I could see that. I could see a maturity that's like, I know, I had to do this. I'm a professional. Exactly. That's the wisdom that comes with age. You're like, I think I probably know how this is going to turn out. Like we've, I've seen this scenario enough times.

I'm not going to second guess myself. At this point, I'm just going to, you know, bet on myself. Yeah. I think I'm a pretty good bet. I don't know. I think you're a pretty good, Beth. St. Dennis Medical. Yeah.

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