Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - World Famous Voice Actor Clancy Brown

Episode Date: December 29, 2020

Clancy Brown (Shawshank, SpongeBob) joins me this week to share his personal experience with impostor syndrome throughout his career from its inception to highlights like The Shawshank Redemption. Clancy talks about how the industry had changed over the decades and how he feels blessed to have found voice acting for the presence it allows him to keep. We also get into some good ole Lex talk, how fame can drastically change a set, and even his personal experience working with the late great Sean Connery. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Back it up, man. Start over. Shit. Boy, hey, thanks. This is a special episode. We weren't going to take two weeks off, but I figured, you know, I don't want to lose an audience. And I love this guest. If you haven't seen Shawshank Redemption and millions of other things.

In fact, he was just in that show, The Crown, on Netflix. He played LBJ. LBJ. He was great. He's great. Clancy Brown, right? And I got to work with him on the great brain robbery in the Justice League unlimited years ago. We switched brains. He was Lex Luthor, ironically. And I was The Flash, of course, and it was fun. If you don't know anything about that, but you like Clancy Brown. Well, you're here. So you're going to hopefully listen. I hope you guys have a brilliant freaking new year. And I just want to say thank you to everybody, Ryan, Bryce, all my lovely patrons. And every

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taco night i was starting taco nights here at my house and ryan's like oh i just got saw an old email in march when you had you canceled the last it was sad it was so sad i was just searching through my email and then oh god because it feels like it was years ago i just can't yeah it does feel like years ago i can't wait to have organized softball of my friends and Taco nights. Well, you couldn't play softball with us? Of course. Yeah, you play.

Yeah. You're good. I'm very good. Yeah. Wow. I got a rec league MVP on my shelf somewhere. Yeah. All right, let's get inside of a guy that I've worked with who's a legend.

If you don't know him, he's got some great stories. He thought he was going to be boring. And I love you, Clance, and you're not boring ever. You're a genius. And it was an honor to interview you. Let's get inside of Clancy Brown. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You.

You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. You're so technologically advanced. You're really advanced in technology, Glancy. No, look at you. You're like sitting behind the mic and got the camera and everything. You got your Barka lounger there, it looks like. Yeah, I like to be comfortable.

I'm naked from the waist down. And I, yeah, that's how I roll. I got to roll. You look comfortable. Now, look, because I could relate in a way that, you know, when you play a villain or you play some bad characters, people, oh, he's great. And they start casting as a bad guy, right? We get typecast.

I've been typecast. I've been typecast as either the asshole or the killer or the transvestite for a while. Yeah. You know. Yeah, but is there, I mean, obviously, I bet you go through stages, right? Because you're a seasoned actor. You've been doing this a long time. Was there a time where you're like, no, fuck that.

I'm not doing the bad guy anymore. I'm doing this or did you kind of was there a point you just said I just want to work I love working what kind of attitude you have well I don't know I've always loved working but you know it's you know you kind of want to do stuff that you find interesting so when you do a prison guard and they keep asking you to do prison guards it's like come on you know I don't want to do a person guard but that's what they offer you so if you know you know if you need to make the dough, you go do the prison guard. If you don't need to make the dough and you don't mind auditioning,

then you'll, you know, you audition for something else, audition for the preacher. And then they decide that you're to, then they decide you're a preacher forever. That's happened because we turn that out. Well, let me, let me ask you this. Didn't you ever feel like when your agent's like, hey, they got this role, listen, just hear me out, Clance.

This is a prison guard. You're like, don't you ever want to say, there's not going to be a prison guard or a prison guard movie or a prison movie better than the one I did no one's gonna be but nothing's better why would they want me as a prison guard in a movie that will never be as good as shaw shank redemption who knows though right I mean if it's a good part and it's a good script that was such a great script it was like I you know everybody was like we'll do anything in it and so it's such a good script that shaw shank but you know you never know you're reading good script and you fall in love

with the script. You fall in love with the thing. And then you see, you know, maybe who's doing it and how expert they are and stuff like that. So you're logical, Clancy. You're logical. You know, you know, you try not to repeat yourself and you try not to jump to any conclusions, right?

Yeah, well, look. And then if you need to, if you're lucky enough, you go sign up to do the thing you did before because, you know, you need to pay the kid's tuition or your mortgage or whatever that's right that's right that's true you don't think of those things till later and you're like you know i could do this and it's easy and i've done this before i know what they want i'll go in i'll do a good job i'll try my best i'll make some money and that's it yeah yeah i mean yeah basically yeah well let me ask you so well you jumped into shawshank

because of the prison thing but i was just i rewatched it because i had to because it's been a couple years and it's one of the best movies ever made period i mean is that something that they offered you or did you had to read for that? Oh, I read for it. Yeah. Yeah, I read for it. It was one of the worst auditions I ever had with Frank and the casting director. And casting director was a young lady and she was dressed in a nice, frilly floral blouse, and she smelled good, and she was done up. And I had to scream at her. you know

you'll shit when I say you shit and you'll piss when I say you piss you got that you you megadick mother I couldn't do it I couldn't do it I couldn't do it I couldn't get it out and I apologize to to Frank at the end of it

I said I'm sorry I did you you smell too good I can't I can't get this out you know I can't yell at you this way you're a nice young lady I can't I just I couldn't do it So I left there thinking, I'm never going to be in this movie. It's too bad.

It's such a good script, and I'll never be in the movie. So what happened? So they called up and they offered it to me. They said, yeah, no, you'll be all right. You'll be good. I mean, and on the flight out, I mean, I was convinced they had made a mistake. And they thought I was somebody else. And, you know, they shot it in Mansfield, Ohio.

So we're flying into Columbus or wherever we're flying into, which is a flight I've taken before because that's where I'm from. I'm sitting there and back in the day when they flew your first class I'm sitting there in first class and I see all these actors roll in you know

all these really good actors Dave Provol and Joe Ranyo and and you know just everybody that's there gunton and and they see

I see Bill Sadler and I'm like oh damn that's that's who they think i am they think i'm bill sadler and he's going to be playing my role and so i just really the whole flight i was just like in the window seat it's like this is going to be so embarrassing when i get there and they tell me that they're going to send me home i was absolutely convinced hang on you're on this whole three four five hour flight you swear to god this is what you're thinking you're thinking they're not they got the

wrong guy. Oh, yeah. I mean, not until we sat down and we read we had a read-through. I was convinced. I mean, you know, they had Mark Ralston and Sadler and I mean, they had like all these great actors. Brian Libby and

I mean, you know, I'm trying to come up with everybody's name. That's a lot. They're all guys that I recognize and they're all character actors and they're all terrific and they're going, I'm not going to this is not who they think I'm somebody else.

Are you intimidated? I wouldn't say I was intimidated. I knew I gave a bad audition. I've had those. The worst case scenarios, people always say, I want offers. I like offers. But when you get an offer and then you go in and then they're like, no, that's not what we want.

But if you audition for something and they like what you did, then you do that most of the time. So you go in there and you do something that you're like, well, fuck, I barely even got anything out. I don't even know why I'm here. Yeah. And then you get there. And then what's your first day like?

What's your first day as an actor going, I shouldn't even be here? No, we went up for rehearsal back in the back. That's back when they were partially rehearsed, right? So we sat down and we had a read-through. And there's Morgan and Tim and, you know, all the guys and Gunton and whatnot. And we have the read-through. And it says, you know, on your little thing, it says Clancy Brown, Captain Havis. So that's like when the first time I thought, okay, they, that's, when I sit down,

they'll realize that they think somebody else is Clancy Brown, you know, not until, it's not until we started reading it and nobody seemed to blink an eye. And I, you know, it was the most intense imposter syndrome I've ever had was that. Jesus. And then, and then once we started going, it was fine, you know, it was okay. I mean, I watched that scene on the rooftop, like, it's you're you're so intense that even years later i've seen this movie everyone's seen it and then you watch it again i really think you're going to throw tim robins off the roof i really feel like you're losing your shit but it's it's this contained fucking just pure innate disdain for this man or any of these people around you and i'm like it's such a

powerful character and you're thinking they're oh my god prison's really hard i i bet they were like this and prison sucks yeah i mean sucks god i mean and he's stupid he's a stupid stupid man i'm he's just such a dumb man it's like that's those are the people that you're afraid of most oh yeah authority that are so deeply ignorant that they do stuff like throw people off roofs what is wrong with that guy isn't that the truth though well there are people like that around us that they're just you're like wow they just don't see what we've seen and you hate to think well what i say is right but then you're saying well i this is just this is just the right way though i am i missing something here how does this guy

think the opposite of what i think so far but i you know that's that's the way it is you know what pisses me off is you've played lex luther longer than any other lex luther including me you know that's an accident but no no no you you've played him more consistently i'll bet you you actually have more hours of playing lex luther i mean if we actually added up the time what about Cryer? How many episodes did he do? Cryer, I think he's in the second season. Oh, okay. So he's way behind. He's got, he's got time. No, you win. We

all know who likes Luke, or shit. No, no, no, no. People really, I'm telling you. You have a following, man. You have a following and people love you. It's a cartoon. But it doesn't matter. I've said that before, and people are insulted, and I say, well, it's animation. When I do this, no, no, no. That role means

as much as live action to most people. Many people. I understand that. I understand that because I understand that because that's sort of the world that Superman was created in. Right. But the live action adaptations, they're hard to do.

And Smallville was the best of them. Oh, come on. No, no. Smallville was definitely the best of them. You know, Lewis and Clark was kind of fun for a minute, you know, because everybody was young and good. looking but it became a soap opera

and nobody really cared after a while but smallville smallville was like the right show at the right time really realized real well I think smallville's just kind of genius I didn't even know you watched it yeah I saw a couple episodes sure I'm not really the demo for it

but you know you're not that much older than I am how old are you I'm old I'm 61 60 what is the 20 yeah 20 20. I'm 61. That's not old. How many times have you thought to yourself, Clancy, I'm old? And then you go, what was I thinking 10 years ago?

I wasn't old. No, dude. But with this COVID thing, I've like crossed into it into the at-risk demo. I don't feel at risk. Well, why are you at risk? Do you have pre-existing? No, no. You know, 60 plus, right?

And that's what they say, 60-plus. But you feel healthy. You look good. Thank you. So to you, my man. Well, thanks, man. I got this thing. if you notice this big thing on my face it's not a fight i'm not that tough but uh it was just a

little pre-cancer thing they burned off no big deal i always feel like i need to say you know when you have something on your face you got to go oh this is that or really yeah i mean you know what i mean you had a little skin cancer yeah have you ever dealt with any of that stuff no not yet knock on wood not gonna what i imagine it's it's us it's the fate of us fair-haired people that's fair yeah fair people Although I've been bitching at my dad for, I don't know how many years, he's 68, and he's, you know, balding, and he just has moles, and he never wears sun protection, and he spades in the sun, and he's never had skin cancer, not going to want anything. And I'm like, I'm always telling him. And then who gets skin cancer? This asshole.

Where does he live? He lives in New York. Well, he just got a place in the Caribbean. He got this little apartment. Then he's going to be in day. He's got to use sunscreen down there, man, because it's about. not being exposed to the son. In New York,

he's walking around the buildings. There's no son in New York. That's true. That's very true. You know what amazes me? It's Hollywood. And you look at all the divorces and all the shit. And I look and I'm like,

you're married to the same woman since 90 freaking three. Yeah, I'm lazy. Is that what it is? I'm totally lazy. Yeah. I'm just so, I'm just a lazy, old man.

Yeah. I actually, I actually got, we actually got married. the day after, I guess, well, the day after, no, it must not have been the day after, but the day after we shot that roof scene in Shawshank, I took off and went to Chicago and then got married the next day

and then brought my bride back to Mansfield, Ohio, for the honeymoon, and to finish filming. By the way, were you, did you, Are you one of those actors who kind of gets into the role where you're sort of like an asshole off camera until the role's over? Are you a method? No, I don't think so. I mean, maybe I am. I'm going to ask your wife.

I'm interviewing your wife after this. My wife, yeah. Does she read lines with you ever? No, I do wrangle my kids sometimes to do that. Really? But not my wife, yeah. Well, who ran lines with you for like a Shawshank movie or Highlander or any of these movies? Well, let's see.

at Shawshank, I rented the house with Larry Brandenburg, who played Skeet, and we rented this farmhouse. He's from rural Minnesota, and I'm from rural Ohio, so we were quite comfortable there in Mansfield, outside Mansfield. We rented a house outside Loudounville. And so we, you know, we were just hanging out watching satellite TV when satellite TV went with a big freaking satellite and big box and all that stuff on your desk. So we, you know, we were just hanging out right there. And then I brought my bride back and he F-Oed for a week or so. So you can make sweet, hot, newly married love. That's right, baby.

The days when you used to make love. In the cornfields, you know. Oh, my God. Hey, are you one of those guys that the director wants you to just go bigger and bigger and bigger, or they have to bring you down? Depends. I appreciate that direction. Like, go bigger, bring it down, you know, whatever.

The story I tell of Shawshank is that Frank gave me one of my favorite directions of all time, which we had a group of guys there that, were, that were really better than their roles, you know? Any one of those guys could have been, should have been leading their own TV show. They're all very good, but because of the script is so good, we all wanted to do it. So, so we were always thinking of stuff to steal screen time with, right? We were always thinking up stuff to fill out our characters and to, you know, make more noise for ourselves on camera. And I was no exception.

and there was one shot where I'm walking across the yard and I decided, okay, my guy is, his brain is rotting because he's so dumb and he's getting his Tourette's. And so he just starts swearing for no reason. And so I'm walking across the thing and I'm just swearing to myself and I can't even remember what I made up, but I made up some silly stuff that just had no, no, relation to anything just total

non sequiturs and I'm walking across there and we're rolling and you know it's a big shot that they're setting up and you know big cranes and lots of extras and shit and I'm doing it and I and we rehearse it one time, rehearse it a couple times and I'm working out what I'm going to say

and finally we roll and I do it and then you know everything stops and they say hey Clance just a second Frank's going to come down and give you some notes and frankly climbs off the top of the roof and top of the crane and he comes down.

He puts his arm around me and walks down. He's got his little cigarette walking along. And he says, you know that thing that you're doing, that that swearing, that sort of Touretti thing that you're doing as you're walking? I said, yeah, man, how about that? It's pretty good, right? Good little.

Actually, I think the character is okay. He says, no, no, no, no. Don't do that. It looks stupid. So he couldn't tell you that. He couldn't tell you that from afar and say, hey, just don't talk. Yeah, but how great that he didn't embarrass me that way, right? I mean, you know, he, like, climbed down and he put his arm around me and he said, don't do that.

It really looks stupid. I love you, Frank. You can direct me doing anything. Who is the most fun working with on that project? I mean, everybody around you seemed like everybody was great. We all had fun, yeah. That was with, you know, you know, when we I guess when we first started

when was it it was uh we worked from we worked from how was it labor now it wasn't labor day we worked until labor day we worked like from July 4th Labor Day and anyway there was basketball playoffs going on

and it was during um so it wouldn't it was 93 or something was that the Knicks? Yeah Knicks and Bulls were playing so you had a bunch of guys from Chicago and you had a bunch of guys

from New York in the cast and so we'd all go down to the local you know Buffalo Wild Wings or whatever they had there we'd watch the game

and that was our social life so but you know we were all having fun we were all figuring out there was a couple of restaurants in Mansfield Ohio we all got to kick out of the fact that it was it was voted in one of these magazines

is one of the worst cities in the United States because of the poverty and crime and stuff. But we never really experienced that. They were all really great to us. Yeah. How tall are you? 6.3. How tall are you?

I'm six on the dot. You know, a lot of people will say that. You're a shorter Lex Luthor. I'm a shorter Lex Luthor, for sure. Do you think people, since you're like a big guy, you look intimidating, you look like and kick someone's ass, maybe you probably can? Do you think people at a young age, were you always tall?

Did you get picked on at a young age or did you get it to a certain age where people started messing with you because you were bigger or what would you go through as a kid? Yeah, a little bit of everything. I didn't really get into my body until I was in high school and college.

You know, I guess I got a little bit of a little bit of every reaction. Were you popular? Popular? Were you popular? I love it. I never perceived it that way, although I ran into a guy who was a couple years behind me high school and his daughter was he was also looking for a place and his daughter to

high school and so we you know renewed our acquaintance when i knew him he was kind of small kind of a you know maybe a hundred pounds soaking wet uh and uh and i was a senior in high school and when i met him he was bigger than me he was six five he was you know two whatever hundred pounds and smart as a whip like he always was and uh you know he said oh you were the dude in high school you know you were the you were the one everybody looked up to and i never perceived that when i when i was in high school really you never saw that in yourself yeah no hell no now is it because you were humble or were you were you a nervous kid or are you an anxious kid anything like that yeah i wouldn't say necessarily i mean kind of dumb come on you're not

kind of a dumb kid i don't believe that see that's what i always said about myself and i'm stopping you know i try to stop myself from saying that but i was like yeah i wasn't very smart my dad he was always really smart and i think he was just like shit i got a dumb kid and you know that's it and it's just like not i'm telling you for a long time i felt all those things and then i was like wait i mean you weren't dumb and then you know you know through therapy they're like well don't you learn all these lines don't you do this don't you think dumb people that's what they could do so you start to so you don't you don't you don't you don't you don't you don't don't honestly believe you're dumb back then or well not now i mean you know what do you back then what

all you're doing is comparing yourself to those around you right yeah you know they were better athletes there were smarter kids there were you know you you're i was never the smartest and i was never the best athlete and so you know you don't think that you're anything special that's the way looking at it were your parents like i love you clans i love you i'll always love you i'm rooting for you you you're a smart kid you're a great athlete or were they kind of like, eh, I don't give a shit.

No. You know, it was in the 70s. My parents were busy with other stuff. You know, they were busy with other things.

They were, you know, my mom and dad always say to me, you are such a, such a better parent than we ever were. Why do they say that?

Because you're more attentive, you're more present? No, it's just, you know, it was just a different time. You know, they were,

they were, we were in D.C. And my dad was in Congress and they had important stuff to do and think about and they didn't they didn't really pay that much attention to their kids you know it was a different time you didn't have to you didn't you didn't have to be a helicopter parent back in the day they were you know involved with the school and on the parent council and you know all

that other crap but you know they didn't really they didn't really monitor me or anything right but they were supportive right they said clancy and proud of you yeah they came to the shows and the games you know the shows yeah when was the first show when did you start like i'm going to be an actor when was that moment oh well i i don't know you know after college i just thought i'd give it a shot you know i always liked doing it um and they supported that i did yeah yeah i you know i did it in high school and college and stuff they didn't come out to the college shows so much but they did you know when they came to the high school shows and all that stuff i mean yeah well they were they like at the end of a show was your dad uh was he like

you know Clancy you're a pretty damn good actor that was pretty good no didn't get that no no they were they were supportive i mean my dad said my dad was particularly supportive he just said look you know uh i i work hard to give my kids the opportunity to do whatever they want so if you want to go try this that's fine that's nice though that was after college my mom was not that way she was like you know your your dad worked It's hard to give you this opportunity of the family business or this opportunity to go into politics. And you're throwing it all away to go be an actor. And I was like, hey, that's not what dad said.

Right. Because there was a newspaper in your family. Like people, they ran a newspaper. There was a congressman. Your dad was a, did that a congressman? Yeah. So you had all these things, these aspirations as a congressman, run a newspaper, do it. I'm going to be an actor.

Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, it's what my dad said. He's like, you know, yeah, this is what I did. This is what I do. You know, I followed in my father's footsteps. My father, you know, my father says that, you know, my father, my grandfather was a congressman. He ran newspapers and stuff.

But he said, there's no reason why you have to do that. You know, you should go do what you want to do. That's why we, that's why, you know, parents do what they do is to give you the opportunity to do it. Now, you know, did he think it was going to work out? I'm sure he didn't. That's not something parents think is going to work out. You know, I promised them that I would just try it for a few years and then, you know, go to grad school or whatever. Well, what was the first time that you're like, ah, I got them.

They're really proud. I can tell they're proud. You did something. Something clicked where they're like, oh, he's successful. This is happening. I don't know. I think, you know, when they, it's with every parent is when your kid is praised. um by someone else to you you know like when somebody says you know you're but i wasn't there for that

you know when i hear that my daughter is a brilliant director then i'm i'm so proud of her you know that's those are those are the great times that's when i that's when the worry goes away i'm sure that's what happened with my folks is that you know one of their friends said i saw your son in this and it was really good maybe shawshank maybe shawshank maybe shawshank they thought that was it but, you know, I don't know. I would also get married then, so that probably wasn't the first thing. Right, right, right. They wanted you to get married.

It's like, when are you going to get married? Yeah. When are you going to? Always. Why is that? My grandmother still, she's 92. She's like, when are you going to be such a good dad? Why don't you want to do this?

I'm like, first of all, you're 92. How long am I going to, am I going to have a kid for you so you can see him for two years? You know, you're 92. I have to live with this woman. for the rest of my life. I have to have this child and take care of. And I go, well, my grandma told me to do it, but she's dead now.

You should. You should have a child. You would be a good dad. Change your life. How does it change your life? How does it change your life, honestly? It makes you, well, you know, okay, we're actors. So we spend a lot of time inside our own heads and worrying about, you know,

about our auditions, worrying about our, how we present. to the world. Now we present to maybe a specific person or a specific thing. And suddenly you have to get out of that and you have to take care of something so that it doesn't die. You have to make sure something in your life doesn't die while you're responsible for it. And so that just kind of changes your life there for a minute. You have to stop thinking about yourself. That's terrifying too at the same time. Yeah, sure it is. Sure it is. But, I mean, here's the other thing, like, you know, less fortunate, less privilege, less, you know, less intelligent people have done it just fine for many generations, right? Is that what you kept telling yourself?

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you're wrong i'm not but you seem just together you've always been sort of like you don't really care about the limelight you don't you're kind of a private guy you're just you know you like acting you love your family and that's it is that is that pretty right on Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even again... I mean, that's pretty much it. Yeah.

I don't know. I think that your whole disposition, the way you handle yourself, you can handle these things that come at you. But I wonder, my question is, in the beginning, did you feel that anxiety? Did you feel like, oh, my God, I'm going to have a kid. I have, what am I going to do?

What am I going to fail? It's going to be my fault. Did you ever go through any of that shit? Yeah, I mean, you know, with the kid, you get, yeah, you suddenly have to think about things you never had to think about before. You know, I mean, you know, you, you know, you suddenly have to think, you know, I got to keep a roof over this head.

I got to make this mortgage. I mean, that's sort of when I started, it's sort of when I started doing everything. The blessing was it's when I started doing voice over, right? And that was just a revelation. That was so much fun. And so I'm so glad that that happened. But I, you know, I did that kind of to stay in town. not to solve any of my problems.

I just did it because I wanted to, I didn't want to have to leave town to work, which is where I always had to go. But it was always, you know, I was always nervous about keeping the roof over the head and doing that. And, you know, balancing that with being present, I wanted to be present as well.

There was a period when I was like probably overcharging for my services that took a little while for me. to realize that wait a minute they don't do that anymore they don't overpay for actors anymore here yeah they certainly don't right when right when the corporations

decided that top of show is the minimum right yeah and your quotes don't matter and all the rest of that stuff so I think I hit a I think I hit a high quote right when my daughter was born right after Shawshank you know I think that was my highest

quote and then after that it was you know a couple years of not getting paid that and realizing okay i have to i have to work and have to work for less you know what was the uh you know obviously people always come up to me and they're like oh my god clancy brown when you guys switched uh switched minds and the great that was a good one that was a good yeah that was a good one the great brain robbery that was a good episode it wasn't i never i don't think i never really worked with you and all of a sudden you're sitting there with me and we're just going back and forth and you're like say your line and then you'd say it like me but in your what you know what I mean it was so fun it was so fun it was I remember

us laughing going what that it was kind of confusing it was in a way but it was really fun and having Andrea Romano who we both adore right directing us yeah but you know how how fun is that too that they wrote it and who wrote that one by the way do you remember I don't remember who who wrote that one wasn't Bruce I have to look at all great writers they had yeah but you know how fun that they took those characters and decided to do that and let us do that you know we're looking for a way to knew that we would like it knew that we could pull it off and and have so much fun doing it yeah because they could have done it with anybody they could have done it with any bad guy and any any any superhero but you know i'd take that as a big compliment it was the play i was playing

lex luther on smallville you were the voice of lex i was voicing the flash in the justice league and then we switch and it's just all this yeah it was It was great. It was really great. You know, you've worked with so many people. What's the most fun you've had besides, obviously, working with me? But like big actors. Like, what's the one guy actor?

Like, wow, he's doing voiceovers, too, because a lot of big, big actors do them. Right. I've not found that, like, that people that are well known for film and television, that they're actually that good. I think the people, probably the people we had in Justice League were the most versatile of that crew that crossed platforms easily you know you and Lumley and

you know Lamar all those guys yeah Maria and Susan yeah Georgia but I what I've usually found with stunt casting is that they're not that good

you know they're a little they're a little intimidated by the technology intimidated by the process of it and they're not they're not good at it you know what it is they don't let go as much and they just I think when you're when you're doing it when you I found that the more I just said fuck it and just let go and Andrew said do another one like this you just do it don't worry about looking like

an idiot just do it it it's just the voice you just have to get something no matter how you get there and I definitely could tell when I was working with bigger actors you know that they just hadn't done it and that wasn't their passion and you know they're like and so so it was harder to get out of them you'd assume yeah they're not used to do it that's really what it is not that they're not good at it's just that they're not familiar with doing the guy that i that that was really good at it from the get-go was a guy that i got in to sponge bob uh dennis quade and i just worked with dennis on uh on a movie i can't remember which one not dreamscape no no no i'd worked with him on uh i'd worked with them on a couple things it was one

called the Express and one called at any price it must have been after the Express and I said to I said to I think it was Andrea that was actually doing SpongeBob at that point and I said to Andrea I said we gotta get

Dennis in here because all he does is his version of Mr. Crabs all the time all he's doing he just he just loves to you know be Mr. Grabs in front of me and we you know Wait a minute Dennis Quay impersonates you from

Shawshank. No, no. He impersonates me doing Mr. Crabbs. Right, right, right. So is he dead on? No, he sounds like Dennis doing Mr. Crabbs. So they thought up, they thought up the episode, Grand Pappy, the Pirate. And so Mr. Crabbs' grandpappy was coming into town and he had to, and Mr. Crabbs had to put on a show that he was a pirate, that, you know, the Krusty Crabb was actually a pirate ship and not a, you know, he was following. in his footsteps and so he put on this fake show and the boys were my crew and all the rest of that stuff and Dennis came in and just knocked it out of the park man

he was having so much fun and he brought in his son and he was just like hey hey hey hey hey hey he just fell over the plate wow he came in and nailed it he's a pretty free spirit that do you still talk to Dennis he gets going not as much as I'd like to

I like him so much he's a good guy you do you know i i don't know him i've never met it but i've always loved him i always loved his work it was like him and michael keaton in the 80s i love those guys they just had an energy to him you know what i mean yeah now he's doing that commercial now yeah i just don't get it but you know what i'm insured commercial it's just odd it's just odd it's just odd i just yeah it's it's it's like that and look i look i respect people want to make money they get to do whatever it was just an odd commercial you know it's like that one uh what's his name um with the tom sellick it's it's I don't care.

He's humble, but it's five minutes long. Oh, that one's a little long. I changed the channel. I come back after lunch. It's still going on. I don't know what the hell it is. It's an infomercial. Yeah, it's an infomercial.

Yeah, but how do they hear infomercials all day? You got to get that money out of the old people. We got to, we got to. Is that what it is? Yeah, got to get money out of old people. Do you think you'll be the kind of actor? Do you feel like you, are you one that just loves acting so much that you'll work until you die or you'll retire one day and say fuck it i'm done oh yeah i'll retire one day yeah you just

won't want to do anything no i mean you know but we got this voiceover gig man we can we can we can we can always we can always do something you know obviously you just did this movie mortuary collection collection the mortuary collection now look i love horror movies okay i'm a big horror movie fanatic and this is a poster you're the cover you're the guy you're the mortuary collector me and Caitlin yeah right you're the mortician you're the mortician now look I love I love horror movies and right now I mean I mean look I probably watch one a day I have I have shutter shutter account which oh good which mortuary collection the premiere is on shutter and by the way yes it premieres on shutter and I love shutter just because it's $599 a month and I have just a thousand

movies to choose from of course I'm going to choose the mortuary collection by the way Yeah, and Spendell, Ryan Spendell directed it. Yeah, you're going to love it. I mean, I already saw, I already watched it. Did you see it? They sent me a link. I love the way it shot. I love the creepiness of all.

I love those angles and I love the end, the twist. Look, I don't want to give anything away, but like, I just love how they, usually these write-ups, these log lines are usually shit. But this is a good log line. Usually it's like, two brothers kill their parents. Okay, well, they told the story. This is on the cusp of retirement, an eccentric mortality. recounts several of the strangest stories he's encountered in his long career.

Things take a turn for the phantasmagorical when he learns that the final story is his own. Mortuary collection. And it's not completely accurate. Well, it's pretty... Is it retirement? Well, is that what happens? Well, there's a twist. You find out that it's not really as retirement as...

I don't want to give it away. Fate, let's say fate. Right, right, right, right. But, it's a good, it's a good, Ryan is, you know, he's a, he's a born storyteller. He's, and he loves the medium, and he's, he knows his way around a set and a camera. And, you know, he's, he's a talent. He's a real, real talent. I compare him to, like, young Spielberg, young JJ Abrams.

He's like in that, in that mold where he's, you know, he knows. Well, it creates a good, a world. unique world, an inviting kind of scary world, like a fun scary. He can, like, think it up and put it on screen, and whatever problem comes up, he can, he can work around and solve and make it conform to his vision. And his vision is terrific. His vision is real specific and real detailed. And, you know, he took, it took two years to make that thing.

And longer than that, if you count the short that he did before, which is called the babysitter Murphy. Right. Which was the kind of the proof of concept thing that he made. And so it's, you know, I guess you could say it's been seven years. Everybody has these long periods, but he said, like, you know, we couldn't make it quickly for the amount of money that they wanted to do it. What we had to do was make it, we had to make it well slowly. You know, we had to do it. We had to do it the way we wanted to do it. but that meant we had to take our time, you know, and they had to stretch the dollars through the,

through this two-year period. And so, you know, he's good at it. And he doesn't, he didn't compromise that much, you know, he knew where to compromise that it wouldn't look bad. Yeah, it's gorgeous. It's a gorgeous. It's a good thing. It really is.

I was surprised by how well it looked. This is, it just, it is, it's cinematic. It's absolutely cinematic when you watch it. And the angles on your face, I'm, like, thinking of all the prosthetics. Like, what the hell was he? Did they CGI as his? Because it looks, it was practicals, right?

It was prosthetics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many hours were you in the makeup trailer? Not too many. I mean, we had one, Mo Minehart was the key there. She, it was about three hours, I would say. And it would have been faster if she, if she had a partner. And every now and then we could, there was another.

makeup artist that would assist her, but that makeup artist was also responsible for everybody else. So, you know, a lot of times it was just most. So, like, you know, it would range from like two and a half to three and a half hours. You got cranky. Come on, admit it. You'd get cranky. You had to have done.

No, not with, no. I didn't, not with her. Not at all. Not with her. After three hours in the makeup. You look her up on IMDV. She's gorgeous. She's beautiful.

She's funny. And we, you know, we, you know, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, I, you, I, you, I know the drill, and she knows the drill. Are you trying to hook me up with your makeup artist? Is that what you're trying to do? Yeah, there you go. Hey, let me ask you. Look, I mean, you do so many fun things.

I look at all the projects with the animation. You get a happy family. I mean, you could be lying. It could be miserable there. It could be just like hell at your house. But, you know, life's good for you. You're not old. You're 61.

You make it sound like you're old. You're not. You're not. I'll tell you right now. Yeah, definitely not. Yeah, I don't know. You can't know. dude but you also like have legendary roles like Highlander which I know you talk about ad nauseum and like starship troopers and like I mean these movies when you do them I mean obviously when you're working with Sean Connery and Highlander you're like Sean Conner is and it's going to be a big movie right you thought that yeah that movie is a complete accident I don't know if you know if you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know the guy the guy that wrote it Greg Whiten he was a he was a college kid he was I think he was an undergrad you know USC or UCLA or UCLA

or wherever the hell he was. And that was his, he wrote this script as his final for some cinema script writing class that he did. And then these, these,

these buzzards, these scavengers that were the producers, these two guys who's, I won't mention their names, they sort of like picked over,

they sort of pick over these things and they go in and they snag a script that's, you know, maybe one in a war, or, you know, got an A or whatever it is. And they pay the guy, you know, $500, just $500 for your script. And then they go and they pitch it to the, wherever they had the deal. And I think they said they would pay, you know, they paid him a couple thousand bucks

and a portion of the budget if, you know, a percentage of the budget if it gets, if it gets made, if it gets picked up in May. And this became Highlander. Yeah, and they're low-budget guys. So they, you know, they're thinking they're going to pay them maybe another $10,000 or something. So then they, as these producers do, they just go out to big stars anyway, you know, expecting to get turned down. And so they went to, they went to Sean Conner and say, hey, we want you to play the Highlander. I don't even think they even read the script.

They just said, you know, Highlander, that's a Scottishman. And so let's go to the big Scottish, Scott movie star. So they sent it to him, and they said, no, he said, no, I'm not interested in doing that. But I would be interested in playing Ramirez. And so suddenly they had interest from Sean Connery, and the budget goes up. And then they said, well, if we can get him to play Ramirez, let's go get, you know, let's get somebody who we're going to get to play the Highlander. And, you know, they start casting around. Somebody says, well, you know, you should send it out to this young French actor who just won this.

Cesar for his role in Subway and, you know, he's, he's a big European star. So they sent it out to Christoph and he said, oh, Sean Connery's in it, I'll do it. So then they had the big European star, the biggest European star at the time. So the budget goes up.

The budget goes up again. And so then they go out to Arnold Schwarzenegger because he had just done Terminator. And they said, we're going to get Arnold Schwarzenegger and the budget you couldn't go up again. And Arnold Schwarzenegger said, now, I I don't want to play a bad guy again. I don't want to play a bad guy. I want to play.

So the budget goes down. They're like, oh, no, what are we going to do? What are we going to do? And the director, they got a director out of Australia who had basically made his bones doing music videos named Russell Mulcahy, although he had directed a really terrific horror movie called Razorback,

which is kind of like Jaws. the Outback in Australia. And they got him for probably not much money. But he's a really talented guy. And so Russell was like hanging out

with his music video friends and he talks to, he was talking to Sting and they're like, yeah, we know, Russell said, yeah, we went out to, I don't know who we're going to get. We went out to Schwarzenegger.

He turned it down and Sting said, well, I just worked with this big, this big American bloke named Clancy Brown on this movie called The Bride he seems like a pretty good actor and he seems like a pretty good guy

and why don't you check out him so I met with the he calls up the producer said check out this other guy this Clancy Brown guy and I met with those guys and I'm like I think it's a great story

I would love to play it but you know how much are going to pay me and they don't pay me they don't want to pay me anything and I don't have a quote or anything but much of anything so they pay me nothing and they're thrilled because they pay me nothing they get there they get their movie made and we

go and we make the movie and Greg is you know he's this kid out of college who wrote this thing and suddenly he's a millionaire because he gets a percentage of a of a real budget and and his career is launched right after that so this random act of yeah we'll give you a couple thousand dollars second choice if the budget goes up you'll get a percentage it's one in a million it's like win in the lottery, you're most likely it's never going to get made. You're going to make zero money and the guy becomes a millionaire, takes his career off. Right. There's a bunch of people that won the lottery. They paid Sean

a ton of dough and, you know, I think it made Christoff a big star. And he got a lot of money. I got nothing. I got no money on. Residuals? You got residuals? Yeah, no. Didn't get residuals because it was under a BAFTA contract.

Oh my God. You're like a major character. I mean, come on. Yeah. Oh, those son of a bees that's okay i mean you know it was fun to do i didn't want to do any more after that anyway so you know those producers were not fun to work for yeah it sounds like you went through hell you probably did that stunt at the end when you fell 10 stories they probably made you do that for nothing yeah put me in the rig and did a fan to sender hey real quick i made some good friends made some good friends though yeah who's your closest

celebrity friend who's you're like the one friend that you still because you you you one's a guy who happens. It's me. You're my best celebrity friend. I bet you don't hang out with a lot of celebrities. No, I don't. I don't really know any celebrities. You never hung out with Tim Robbins or Morgan Freeman after Shawshake. You never hung out with- Always happy to see them. I don't think Morgan recognizes me anymore, but yeah, always happy to see Tim. I saw Tim recently. His son had done a film and it was at Austin Film Festival. It was good to see him. He's a sweet guy. I play a play ice hockey with that he's always down at actors gang always doing something down there at that theater he's really sweet he's just so soft

spoken has he always been so soft spoken yeah yeah he's just this guy you know just hey man how you doing it's all right all right this has been incredible and i hope you had fun this is real quick my patrons who are amazingly support the podcast it's called shit talking with clancy brown this is rapid fire so you just answer them step a is there a character you've always wanted a voice but never got the chance to voice a character that I've always wanted about. I don't know. The next one, I don't know.

There's got to be a character we're not thinking of. What if there was a character like, they're doing a shining video game and they want Jack Nicholson voice, but someone to play Jack Nicholson. Yeah. This is another question. Emily asks, what's been your favorite role to perform?

I'm guessing you're going to say all of them. Come on. No, not all of them. Not all of them. I really like this Montgomery Dart guy. Montgomery Dark. mortuary collector he's yeah the mortuary collection he is he's a he's a fun fun character he's a fun dude yeah you uh chomped up uh ate some scenery let's just say yeah we were they go greedy just like

just like certain looks at the door when you're looking out there in the angles and then the your eyes as the door is closing just shit like that i was like oh yeah he's enjoying this man yeah join it up danny amazing guest loves clancy brown any story from Buccaro Bonzai, did he realize it was going to be one of the all-time great cult films? No, didn't realize it was going to be an all-time great cult film. But it is kind of the bar for me. It's like it was maybe my first movie. I think it might have been my first movie after I moved out to Los Angeles.

And I read the script and I had no idea what was going on. But it was so much fun to read the whole, the whole time of that shoot, I was just laughing and giggling and just, you know, I got this imposter complex anyway. And there I am with, you know, Goldblum and Peter and Lithgow and all these guys. So, you know, I just, the luckiest guy on earth. I think, what am I doing here? I have no idea of Pepe Serna for crying out loud.

You know, what am I doing here? and my favorite moment of that was we're shooting a scene in a bus and Peter and Ellen Barkin are having this intense conversation in the front and all the Hong Kong Cavaliers are kind of in the back of the bus and Jeff kind of leans out in the middle and the into the aisle and he looks at me and he goes,

come here, just watch me doing this the whole time and he leans out into the aisle and he's doing this little rope trick And Raw Hyde is just, my character is just, like, completely focused on this rope trick that he's doing. And he starts doing that. And finally, Richter, the director, says, Jeff, stop doing that. Clancy, stop doing that. And he says, what, what?

We're just, we're just, you know, livening up the background here. We're just, we're just showing, you know, just having a, you know, character life. You sound like old. And he says, you're pulling too much focus. And he just, like, looked at me and waked. I don't know what you're talking about. Jeff was the king of pulling focus with no effort at all. He pulls all the focus.

There was the start of a great friendship between him and Peter and stuff, but I've always gotten a big kick at it. That's awesome. Jeff and I used to do this routine. He picked on me because I was so dumb. He included me because I was so dumb. He would say, he would say, just

I'm going to go up to the prop master and I'm going to ask him a question and I'm going to turn to you and I'm going to say a bunch of nonsense but before I say nonsense I'm going to say maha and then you say yaha and then I'll say a bunch of nonsense and you

repeat that nonsense back to me and then I'll talk to. So I had no idea what he was doing but of course anybody who knows anything is that Mahaha yaha is the three studious routine that Moe and Curley did, after Curley had his stroke, he would say, he would ask a question of somebody, of Larry or whatever, and he would turn to Curley and say, Maha and Curley,

stroked out. Curly would go, yeah, ha! And he would go, probably, and he would go, and Curly would go, and Curly would go, Abed Dich, but then he'd be shy. And, and Curly would go, And then he would turn back and he would answer the question for somebody else. He did this routine all throughout the shoot. And it was only at the end that I realized that it was a Three Stooges routine. Goldblum was such a blast of work. See, the thing, it's amazing because I always, I had so much fun to do this one movie and it bombed. It became sort of a cult and there's the most fun I ever had in a movie.

That's what I always wanted to do. So those are the moments where it's just like you're enjoying. You're like, this is why I'm here. And it'd be icing on the cake if it was a hit, but it wasn't. Maya P. says, are there any roles you've done that you wish had gone longer or hoped to play again one day? That one, the Buccaro Banzai for sure. You know, that one, and maybe this, we'll see, maybe Montgomery Dark. We'll see if that even happens, I'm not sure.

I can see it's a cool anthology, it can keep going, you know. Right, it could go to the past, you know. Hey, let me ask you this. Are you still doing the Flash, the series? No, no. I haven't done that in a while. When was the last time you did that? A couple years ago.

I think it was the guerrilla garage. When guerrilla garage took over Ailing, and I hadn't done it since. Did you like it? Did you like your experience on the Flash? Yeah, that was an interesting thing. When I first did it, it hadn't aired yet, and so it wasn't kind of, it wasn't anything yet. And everybody was, you know, working hard and really nervous and all the rest of that stuff. And then when I went up and did it again, it aired and it was a big hit.

And, you know, suddenly everybody was sort of more into their social media and their and their appointments and all the rest of that stuff. And so, yeah, it wasn't as much fun. It was a different set. Success makes it a different place, you know. It was a different vibe to it. Yeah. It's still a good show. I think it's still a good show.

Yeah. It was a different vibe. You know, you had to, it had to be more enjoyable to work in the, you know, 70s, 80s, even the 90s before all the phones. everything, not to sound age us, but like there's a certain simplicity and also, uh, and it is more intimate where you didn't have anything to do, but be together and talk and experience life together. I think that now everybody's so distracted. Do you, do you feel that when you're on sets today where it's not as present? People aren't present. People aren't. It's not as fun. Yeah, I don't know if I go. It's different, you know, for sure. Um, you know,

DQ used to talk about Dennis used to say We had so much fun on long riders We are all hanging out together And it says You know nobody hangs out anymore We're talking about this As we were hanging out in some bar

You know We were actually socializing But you know Lamenting that A couple old guys going Nobody's friendly anymore Nobody hangs out anymore you know but

so I guess I guess that's something but it's just different now you know people it will go to their their caves a little quicker right you know we also

we also socialize you know I did this a season of this thing called emergence last year and we hung out you know Allison Tolman and and everybody

we sort of piled around a bit I love it. Well, hey, this has been awesome. Did you have fun? Yeah, do you have fun? Yeah, man. You're easy to talk to.

Like my turtle? I love the turtle. How long have you had the turtle curtain? I don't know. They're not making them anymore. It's from this woolen mill called Farabal woolen mills, and they would have these, they had this Native American collection that they would do, and that's from that.

I love that thing. All right, dude, much love. I love this. I'm going to harass you because we're going to hang out when this is over. All right, fair enough. All right. I'll see you later. Thanks again, man.

All right, thanks, Ben. He's a family guy. He's a private guy and it was hard to get him in the studio. Well, he didn't come in the studio. We zoomed, but it was hard to get him to Zoom. Yeah. And just hearing those stories when he's like, they're going to fire me. I think they got the wrong guy for Shawshank Redemption and things like that.

And it's how I always feel like, oh, they're going to hear me in the table where they're going to fire me. Oops, I'm not fired yet. They're going to watch me and I'm ugly. and they're going to you always think these things and he thought that the entire way through the shooting of the movie and he's working with these geniuses I like I like that he got married the day after that rooftop scene I thought that was a fun story oh yeah after he was so mean to our friend

Tim Robbins he was so mean he almost threw him off a roof and then the next day he exchanged vows with the love of his life oh man I remember the first day when Andy came into Shawshank I think I let me let me try to get it I remember the first day Andy Dufrain came into Shawshank. Was that better? I'm going to close my eyes and not look at you.

Let me see you. I remember the first day when Andy Dufrein came into Shawshank. Good. Not bad? That's pretty good. Okay. Third try was a little better.

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I know the chords are better than I know what the words are. You got to teach me that song. All right, we're embarrassing ourselves. I'm embarrassing myself. Anyway, thank you guys for listening. Thank you for a great year, even though it's been a hard year, but we got through it. We're getting through it. We have a glorious year coming to us.

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