Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Wrestling Legend Chris Jericho

Episode Date: January 5, 2021

WWE Legend Chris Jericho (WWE, Talk Is Jericho) joins me this week to talk about his experience throughout his life overcoming peer and public stigmas while pursuing his dreams in wrestling, music, film, and more. Chris really hammers home the idea of passion fueled perseverance in this episode, so for anyone looking for a little boost, this is a must listen. We also get into Chris’s love for horror films and rock music, the idea of ‘zero room for error’ in professional wrestling, and some pretty crazy BTS within that world. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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He got hurt once. And just like, it's like unbelievable. We get thrown around like that. The shit beat out of you. Yeah. And just hurt once. Yeah. We talk about so many different things how we got the title and he found out he's going to get the title the day of. The day of. It's incredible how fast like they figure out how to do a match, like a whole thing where they throw each other around and just beat the shit out of each other. And people get pissed at him. Yeah. People are are like, you know, it's just a really interesting dynamic. And if you don't know that wrestling world, he's an interesting guy. We met a long time ago, and I'm glad he came on the show.

Pretty fascinating. And why don't we just get inside of Chris Jericho? It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of live studio audience you know what it is man right away because you're just a stud russell i feel like saying oh fuck yeah just to be cooler that's what you should say just stud in general and i'll say i'll i'll match that fuck yeah and raise it with uh seriously my all-time favorite horror movie right behind you right there

the thing check that out kurt russell signed that son of a bee oh that's great man right that's the best that's my favorite that's one of the best what's your favorite scene in the thing at the end let's just sit here a while see what happens Oh, yeah. That's a great one. You don't know. You don't know, right? Like, the way the thing wanted it planned was they would just die in the snow. And then, you know, three months later, when someone comes to rescue, then they take over the entire world. So is that what's happening there? We don't know.

That's true. Open-ended, man. I love it when they're sitting there testing the blood. And that old guy's like, I would one of you kindly get me the fuck out of here? Yeah, that's such a killing movie, man. I love it. How are you? And where are you? Talk to you, man. I'm in Tampa, Florida. You know, a couple of wrestlers live in Tampa, right? Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of guys that live in Florida because there's, I don't even really know why.

I mean, I moved here almost 20 years ago from Canada. So I don't know, maybe tax reasons because I don't think there's state tax here or something or there used to be one of the, like, developmental centers here. but I'm not really too sure why I've been kind of migrated down to this area. A lot of Canadians, though, a lot of the Canadian guys. I like the Canadians. I know you're not really, you're from Winnipeg. You're born a Long Island, though, right? Yeah, yeah, but I grew up in Canada, so I consider myself Canadian.

I lived there for like 20 years. As a matter of fact, I think the last time I saw you, we played Christopher Reeve Super Skate, right? Exactly. You know, I have a couple of Rangers jerseys up. I have Messier and I have Ron Dugay up in the room. And your dad played for the Rangers. He did. Yeah, where you're from?

I was born on Long Island, Oceanside, Long Island. I was born in Nassau Community Hospital, but I grew up in a small town in Indiana. Like, you moved to Canada. I lived in Indiana from a time I was eight on. Okay, yeah. So I was born in Manhasset,

also on the island. But yeah, my dad played 67 to 77. So he was with the Rangers from 70 to 75. I think he got traded. So those kind of these glory years, those five years. Do you remember going to those games?

Were you a little boy? Like, were you born? Yeah, I remember. I was only like I said, maybe not even five so I think probably three or four but I remember literally sitting in Madison Square Garden and I didn't like it because it was for two reasons one it was too loud it was too loud I remember I had this little sweater that my grandmother had knit for me and I was putting over my head like this and then the other one

was I hated the fact that whenever my dad got the puck if he was skating down the ice he wouldn't look up and wave at me so I always made me mad he's trying to be cool he's trying to be in the moment the game zoned in trying to score goals and stuff you should be looking for me yeah it's funny that i just had my 30th year in wrestling but my 25th anniversary to the day was actually a show in madison's score garden and i did a promo after the match just talking about my mind's eye i was like right up there somewhere up in there is where i used to sit when i was a little kid so i kind of have that lineage of the garden in my DNA at this point wow you know i was

thinking about like when we grow up you know kids usually have like this idea I want to be a doctor I want to be a you know a fireman I want to be whatever I remember as a kid I didn't think anything other than I don't think I'm going to get through eighth grade I don't think I'm not kidding I thought there's no way I'm going to live through high school I mean I just had this it wasn't like a death wish or maybe it was it wasn't like I was a suicidal kid I just felt like I'm not going to make it I'm not going to I don't have aspirations of really doing anything until I guess late in high school I started to think you know I don't know maybe I could act I don't know I honestly thought I was going to pump gas or work in a grocery store or you know because I worked in a grocery store for

three years and it just seemed like the thing to do and you know luck and all this other shit happened after I ended up going to college but for you did you what were you thinking as a kid because at 19 you were already going to wrestling school so I assume when you were young you thought you were athletic you were in a sports how did it all? happen, man. Yeah, like, I just, when I was a kid, I had this mindset where I wanted to be, I wanted to be a wrestler and I wanted to be in a rock and roll band. I remember thinking, but like literally kind of deciding that very early on, maybe 13 or 14 or something like that, because it just seemed like those are, because those are my two favorite things and hockey, but I wasn't

very good at hockey. And I just didn't like the team element of hockey. I like kind of the, the personalities and kind of the spotlight and the characters, you know, both in wrestling and in rock and roll as well. So that's kind of like, well, those seem like two things that would be fun to do. And I never really understood whenever, you know, someone would ask me, especially when I, you know, 16, 17 years old telling me, you know, I'm going to go into wrestling and people would kind of laugh kind of thing. It'd be like saying you wanted to be a mime or a sword swallow or the circus.

It's like, what? especially back then like 1990 it wasn't as open as it is now where you can go online and find out like oh here's where you go to a wrestling school and here's the secrets of the trade or whatever it's very a closed society how do you do that when you're you know 17 18 years old growing up in the prairies of Canada so but but I just kind of got those those thoughts into my head and at least it gave me a direction and a vision like I have three teenage kids right now and they might kind of know what they want to do but not really But for me, I knew, like, this is what I'm going to do. I just have to figure out how the fuck I'm going to do it. But there's no other options. So once I kind of had that mindset and that direction, at least it gave me something to shoot for and a goal to try and reach. It is an odd thing.

I remember, look, if I was in high school and some guy goes, I'm going to be a wrestler. I think everybody would make fun of them. They'd laugh at him. I'm going to be a big actor in Hollywood. Yeah, Rosebaum, you know. And the funny thing is, like, you're laughing. But, I mean, look, you went and did it so you might understand,

like it was years later but when I read Arnold Schwarzenegger's book and he was talking about how when he grew up in the little village in Grotz, Austria, whatever it was and he was telling everybody that he was going to be the greatest bodybuilder of all time and the biggest movie star

of all time like what do you talk like a bodybuilder movie star you live in Gratz like wrestler rock star like you live in Winnipeg how are you going to do that like that's just stupid so I always kind of got a laugh of why does everybody care so much about what I want to do, worry about your own shit and just kind of let me do my thing.

I got really thick skin early on because of that. So even now, here we are 30 years later, when I come up with new ideas or projects and things I do, people don't laugh anymore because once you've done it, they're kind of like, well, geez, he's kind of dangerous now. But in my mind, I still have to have this attitude of like, this can happen. You just got to roll with it, stick with it, and don't give up because you can do it. but it's never easy, but it's always attainable for the most part. Were you always fearless or like growing up, you know, first of all, you were probably a big kid, right?

I look back and I see some bold videos like you, you had size to you, right? Well, not really, though. Like for now I do, but if you think about 1990, I have 511. That was probably 190 pounds. I had a good muscle shape to me. But back in those times, wrestling was all about Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior. And, you know, those type of guys that were, Andre the Giant, Big John Stud, Jake the Snake, you see all these guys and they're legit, 65, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7.

Like, that was just the style. And a guy like Brett Hart was considered a small guy. He was regulated to tag teams at that time. And meanwhile, he's 6'1, probably 2.30. So I wasn't big for the time. It was actually very small for wrestling. Now I'm not because the business changed over the years to where a smaller guy. guys and more exciting wrestling and sizes that matter as much now.

But back then, you could be the drizzling shits. But if you were 6'8, 300 pounds with, you know, jacked up, you would get a shot. Right. It's not like that anymore. So, but that's when I realized when I first got it started, like, I'll never be the biggest guy on the show, but I can work on having the biggest character, the biggest personality, and the biggest charisma, and kind of stick with that, which then enabled me to get a foothold.

And then when I first started traveling overseas to Japan and Mexico in the early 90s, 92, 93, 94, that's the first time where I was working with other guys. My size were smaller than me, and that's where size really didn't mean anything. You had to be in shape. But if you were 5 foot 11 or 6 foot 5 or 5 or 5 foot 6, it didn't make a difference. So all of that kind of, it was kind of the journey to get to this point where you're learning and seeing these different styles. and these different ways of doing things

because you're able to do it around the world and see that wrestling's not just this. Wrestling is many things to many people just like acting is or music or stand-up comedy or it's all about the talent that you have not so much what your look is because you can always fit into certain areas but do you have the talent to be able to do that, you know?

Were you a tough kid? Were you in like in high school? Like could you back it up? I'm going to be a wrestler and people look at you and you're like, you say it. Go ahead. Say it. I think at that point for sure,

but I remember like when I was in junior high school, there was a bully, like you see, not bullied, but kind of bullied, I guess you'd say, but Chuck Fontaine was the bully. He's just sit right behind me in class and hit me in the back of the head, like donkey punched me on it. Every time he stabbed me with a pen, like he just,

and you never knew what to do, right? But then that could be one of the reasons why I did get into lifting weights and, you know, experimenting with that, because once you put on a little bit of muscle, you're not as susceptible to having guys. And that was only a very short period of time. But that never leaves you. I still remember that feeling of somebody take advantage of you

and just being an asshole for no reason. Like maybe that was one of the reasons why I said, well, I'm going to go lift some weights. You know, Charles Atlas at the back of the comic book where they kicked the sand in the kid's face and then he went and worked out and beat the guy up later. But so, yeah, I guess I was a tougher-nosed guy, but just coming from my environment.

Like, I have a reputation in wrestling for never getting injured. And that's the true story. Like, never once. The only time I ever got injured, I broke my arm. You can kind of see the scar there in 94. And I was out for seven weeks. But that's the only time I ever missed a match from an injury. In 2000, whatever it's been, 722 matches, wherever the fuck I've had.

I never got hurt. And I think a lot of that is just luck, but also natural, toughness from growing up litter in the streets of Winnipeg. When I say streets, not from being in a gang, but when you're a kid, you've got nothing to do. You want to get out of your house. We used to just go walk around. They just go walk around the streets and minus 30 weather,

steal a ball of vodka from somebody's dad's liquor cabinet. Just pass it back and forth. You're not wearing a toot because that's not cool. You don't want to cover your hair because you've been spending time on it. You know, and just walking, walk to McDonald's, go inside, grab a, you know, a fucking apple turnover because that's so you can afford.

Walk home. There's a Saturday night for you, man. So maybe that had a lot to do with. We grew up kind of, you know, durable, hardy people maybe. I don't know. It seemed like that background definitely added to the physical

toughness and the mental toughness, too. Did you ever stand up to Chuck Fontaine? Did you ever do anything? Did you ever... I never did. If I saw him now, I'd probably run screaming in the opposite direction. I've stood up to a lot.

of other much crazier and bigger guys now at this point in time but never i don't think i think i think chuck is one of those guys who get sent away somewhere very early on he didn't make it to high school i know that wherever wherever he went was not our high school he was he was he was the he was the terror of junior high and then we got to high school he was gone so if it was if he was said in high school i would have given him a thing or two i would have given a peace of my mind mike i'll tell you that right i'll tell you it's amazing when you do it's very hard it's easier said than done to stand up to people who pick on you. And I was a really small kid. It was a smallest kid in my high school. I remember this guy rich. One time he knocked my books out of my hands. Right. And we're going to, I'm going

into health education. It was called health education. You know, you learned about the penis and the Virginia and all that stuff. And then I remember the next day, he walked by, he was leaving that class and he saw me, it came over again and did it again. And I remember for the next, for that weekend, I kept thinking I ran it over my head, what's going to happen. Here's what I'm going to do. And I know that you're not going to hit the sky. You're not. You're not. going to whatever and I said you can't let this happen anymore it's bothering you so much you got to do something right you can't report him you can't do this you can't be the you can you just got you remember he came up and he and I held my books and he knocked him and one fell over and I just

threw my books down to the ground this big guy I'm going I don't know what happened but I just said hey motherfucker you fucking do that again I'm punching you in the face and you're bigger to me you can kick my ass but I don't care I'm still going to hit you don't fucking do it again and he didn't do it again. He just looked at me like, fuck you, whatever. He tried to play it cool, but he just left me alone. I don't know what it was. Maybe I just was like, weird.

I learned that even throughout life, you know, a lot of those types of guys, they don't want to get snapped up and they don't want to confront anybody. And most of them have never really been in a fight. So if you do challenge them, they'd rather just go pick on some other guy that's, you know, just as small that's not going to talk back. And that's always the best one do it. I remember the one time with my high school bully, Biff Tannan, I opened up the car door and I said, Hey, you get your damn hands off of her.

And that one worked too. Oh, yeah. Hey, Biff, get your damn. I had Crispin Glover on the show. He was a cool one. He was a weird one. Oh, Crispin, yeah. Oh, yeah, he's a good, man.

He's a tail. Neat cat, yeah. What a unique person. I mean, do you still have guys even to this day or during your career in a bar, they see, and they're just go, oh, I'm going to say something. That's Chris Jericho. I'm going to go do something. Not anymore.

I mean, that rarely ever happened because I don't give up that vibe at all, not that guy. And I don't ever hang out with those types of guys. And that was a very small, like I said, window of time. So that's rarely happened. I mean, a couple times, but rarely. And nowadays, most people just come to say hi or, you know, the best thing about going to the bar now is that you never have to pay for a drink ever. You just walk in there and just like drink, drink, drink, drink, if you choose to decide.

You know, it's like I had a party other day at my house. I was like, I better go to the grocery store and buy some vodka. And it's like all everybody bought me for present was vodka. So it's like I had seven bottles of vodka. Like, well, don't have to worry about buying any vodka for a while. At least I'm easy to buy for. Yeah, exactly. But that's the best thing.

You know, it's one of those things now. It's also different to changes the vibe. And you probably have experienced this because one was Smallville popular. 2001 to 10. Great. So you understand this. You understand this as much as I do. In 2001, if people,

you know, wanted to get a picture with you, they had to commit and have a camera in their pocket or whatever. As that decade progressed, now suddenly every dude's got a fucking camera, right? So if you go anywhere, hey, man,

can I get a picture? I don't know who you are, but my friend loves you. Can I get a picture? So anytime you, right? That one, that one. Yeah. I love the insult wrapped in a...

I don't know you. I don't know who you are. I don't care. But my friend would like one. All right. So you're asking me, do you favor and insults me at the same time? I can help that.

Yeah. But so my point is if you do go out anywhere, now you've got to deal with it like this. And then you just got to say like, man, like I'm just here hanging out with my friends and, and, you know, but then you come across like a dick. But it's hard because, as you know,

there's a snowball effect where people do come over, just take pictures. And then suddenly, oh, Jericho's at the bar and it fucking shows up here and somebody's filming it for TMZ. I'd rather just go into, like, when we do shows now, it's just stay in the dressing room, stay on the bus, stay in the hotel, and that's the party area. Going out off-site, you know, outside of the wire, as our military brothers say,

I'm not as much up for that anymore because it's just more of a hassle than anything. And I don't ever want to come across as a dick. But when I'm hanging out with my friends, I don't want to fucking take pictures. I want to listen to music, have some drinks, have some fun, and not worry about somebody filming me. We'll still do that too. I can literally see you filming me. Do you ever say something?

Do you ever say, come on, man. I've done it before, too. Then that's too. If I'm a little bit loaded, I'll just take the phone and throw it, and then you get a whole the thing going to you. It's better just to stay in the safe zone. Inside of you is brought to you by Quince. I love Quince, Ryan.

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He's talking himself, talking himself into something. Now, as, you know, actors, performers, whatever, we look in the mirror, we know, he's your hair all right. You're a persona. You're someone who's like larger than life. And especially during the heyday where you're winning the championships, you're like, the biggest wrestler around and did you did you look in the mirror and kind of like reenact what you're going to sort of like prepare what you're going to do like say i'm chris jericho and this

is like some of the things just almost like rehearsing writing lines of what you're going to say when the microphones put your face are you like preparing for that or you look impromptu or a combination here's the arc for that and that's actually a great question because so when i started in wwe um the first couple probably the first six months or so i wrote all my stuff because that's just how it was. There's a famous promo I did with the rock. It was my big debut into WV and I did this big long, I interrupted

the rock and it was a big thing in 1999 because he was super hot then too. And there was no rehearsal, there was no lines, there was no script, nothing. So then as the WB progressed, they started getting into, they got a show on

whatever the network was Fox, whatever network friends was on. So when they got their major network show, Smackdown, we're going to go head to head with friends. We're going to beat friends. That's Vince's attitude, right? So to do that, we need writers like they have on friends.

Well, it doesn't work that way in wrestling because friends are, if I'm, you know, David Schwimmer playing Ross, I'm not David Schwimmer, I'm Ross. In wrestling, it's almost like Seinfeld. It's Jerry Seinfeld playing a version of Jerry Seinfeld on the show Seinfeld, but it's not really him. But it is kind of him. It's the same with wrestling.

Right. Chris Jericho is a character, but it's also mostly me turned up to the 10th degree. So I can't have somebody write something go, here's what you're going to say, Chris. It'd be like somebody writing my answers for you as we're doing this podcast. You have to have a mind of your own.

And so it became a real sterile kind of like, here's your script and everyone to be standing there with their scripts like a table read, except for we don't have six days of shooting for this. We've got, you know, we're on in 60 minutes. and it's a live thing and there's you know here's my line here's your line some of us are not actors I am but some are

and so it just turns into something completely unorganic when I left WB came to AEW a couple years ago which is our show now that we do every week on the TNT network owned by the family that owns the Jacksonville Jaguars we're doing great ratings

we just resigned with TNT for 10 gazillion, squillion dollars, whatever one of the reasons why it works is because it was the first time in 18 years that when I had a promo, there was no script. It was just me. Like, what do you want me to say? Like, whatever you want to say.

It's like, okay, well, now you have to go back too late. It used to be. Okay, Jericho, everyone says you're good on the mic. Are you as good as you think you are? Are you as good as everybody else thinks you are? Because now you've got to get out there and just say it off the time of it. And boom, it was so easy. So our promos now are just off the top of our head going through what we want to say.

Yes, we have bullet points. But a lot of it happens on the fly. It's very similar to, you know, improv. being an improv performer, you know, if you've worked with the groundlings or something, like when I worked at the groundlings, you follow each other's lead, you listen to what the crowd is doing, you go here. You know what the point that you're trying to make is, but it's never as regimented is saying,

you say this, I say this, learn your lines. And it makes it so much more organic, so much more fun, and everybody has a chance to really show their characters, which makes everybody more popular. Is there something that you remember, one of your favorite things that was impromptu, where you said it and you walked off going, that was genius I was awesome like I really had it I said you know you just felt like

I mean there's some nights where you're like you know I just I wasn't into it or you just you kind of just let go honestly that happens like every night like if when you get to not being a jerk but you get to my level of experience like you just go with the flow and very good at being quick and whether I mean I remember we were in London one time and they had these stupid glow sticks they're selling his merchandise for for Dax they were green they were green glowsticks that you say green glowsticks that you say a rave you know you buy them and they were I think there were 10 pounds for a pair or something like that and I was in the ring and somehow I don't know if I was talking I was cutting out was a bad guy so you typical promo

English people have bad teeth or whatever the hell I was saying it was a non-televised show and as I was in there talking this thing comes by and it's a glow stick and hit me right in the eye and I was like motherfucker and then I was like okay you want to throw a glow stick come on Who's going to hit me? Throw a glow stick. I dare you. Throw a glow stick. Dude, you can see on YouTube.

There was like a blizzard of glow sticks. Like a hundred glow sticks coming down. And I felt like a Jedi. Like I was like, I can close my eyes and hit. But it was just this night of this rain down of glow sticks because of what happened on the fly. But I'm thinking afterwards, I got in trouble, whatever. But I was laughing like, these people just paid 10 bucks a stick.

And there's like 150. They're literally taking their $10 and they're so mad that they're throwing glow sticks at me. And I was just like, that's the true embracing of the moment. We did not plan to have a glow stick riot. I didn't even really know there's glow sticks there until I got hit the face with one so you can just ignore it or take advantage of it. Now I've got even more people booing and yelling because not only throwing objects at me, but then they realize we just fucking wasted 10 pounds of stick. So they got even more angry. So just little things like that where you take advantage of,

the exact is living in the moment. And that's another problem, Mike, if you have a script and something happens like that, if it's pounded in your head to never deviate from this script, you lose all those little moments that make things real. If you don't really have a script, you can go with the flow. If somebody says A, you can say B,

if someone says, you know, you can go with children where you want to go. And you like that. And that's the way you like to work. I thrive off it. I mean, you know, you say you never got hurt except for you broke your arm one time. Yes.

It's baffling because, you know, now we know in the 80s you know I never thought things were kind of planned out and this and that and even when they're planned out you're dealing with huge wrestlers and strengthened and slam anybody who doesn't think wrestlers get hurt like feel pain getting slammed and flips your bodies take a beating I mean anybody seen the movie the wrestler by the way was that pretty accurate in a lot of ways I know a lot of guys like that yeah the guys that kind of worked the way up and then work their way down. And so, yeah, that was a very,

if anybody's watching this, has seen the rest, it's very true to form. And there's guys out there like that that did headline Madison's scoregard and they now have to go to the, you know, shady little signings, you know, the guy with the colossomy bag

or whatever it was. Like, there was a time when I was at those signings and then you're like, holy smokes, like I don't ever want to do this. And nothing gets to guys that do that, but you do see that. You see it in everything. You see it acting too, man.

Oh, yeah. You know, there's always guys. He was the big star of the biggest TV show in the world, and now he's working at Starbucks or whatever. I mean, it happens. It happens to people. I just wanted to make sure it never happened to me, you know? Yeah, you know, when you're, for instance,

when you beat Stone Cold Steve Austin and the Rock, right, on the same night? Yes. How long do you guys have to prepare these matches of what you're going to do to each other? How long do you have? I mean, I know that a lot of times when it's a match, it's the night of, I'm going to do this to you. Then you're going to do this. Then I'm going to do this.

How did that happen? Was there more preparation? Did you have to build up for that? Oh, you'll love this one. So I found out that I was going to become the undisputed champion by beating the Rock and Steve Austin. There was the rock first, Steve Austin, second, in the same night, which first time ever, Undisputed Champion is a big thing. You would think, okay, you probably knew about this month's ahead.

You were planning for it. The shows are written and scripted to build to that point. No, I'm not sure. I found out about it. That afternoon, we were in San Diego, and I was at catering, and Vince McMahon was there with The Undertaker, and they were talking where Vince knew I could hear him, but they weren't talking to me.

And he said, hey, taker, you know how you know the business is going down the toilet? How, Vince, we're putting the title on Jericho. And that's how I found out as becoming the Underputed champion. Hang on a second. Hang on a minute. He knew you were listening. Yes. He did it on purpose. He was joking with you.

Because that, yeah, so, and what did you, what was your reaction if you could remember the, the feeling you had? Well, I mean, at that point, I'd been in the business for over 10 years, so you know how this business works. Like, nothing is ever set in stone until, you know, it's like being in a movie. If you have a great scene in the movie, I don't know what's like for you or, you know, even TV, whatever. I'm always really nervous when I watch back the scene. I just did the last Kevin Smith movie, Jay and Silent Bob reboot, and we had this wicked scene, but she never know what's he going to use. and I know he likes to film more than necessarily just in case and I'm watching and the scene is great

but when I first thought I was so disappointed because a bunch of the cool stuff got edited out like I'm always so never like oh no they edited that out no right so it's kind of the same in wrestling you never know what's going to happen until it happens and things can change and so I just took it in stride like my wife was like why didn't you invite me you should have told me I didn't know I didn't know until like two hours before the show

How did you not know? Because that's just how the business is. Well, how long do you talk to the, you have to go to the rock and talk to me? This is what we're going to do. Yeah, we could put it together. We had great chemistry, so we could put together a match half an hour.

Wouldn't take long. And maybe not even that long. Like, there was just some guys are very, like now in wrestling, I have another reputation of like, if you have a match with Jericho, it's really easy to put together. Some guys will sit there for six hours

and put shit together. Not me, dude. 20 minutes. We got it. We're done. And then we think about it. for a bit, come back and maybe put some other stuff and change your things, but there's no reason to be there for six hours. There's nothing you can think of in six hours that you can't

think of in 20 minutes if you have a little bit of preparation in your head about, okay, maybe this would work, maybe that would work. Let's try this. Let's try that. Bam, boom, boom, boom, boom. Okay, let's take an hour, come back. Let's change this. Let's add this. Let's change that. And maybe if we change something in the ring during the match, that's fine too. But it should never take hours and hours and hours to put something together. because I never see people like talking. Are you whispering like, I'm going to do this right now? Do you whisper to them? Yeah, magic.

Magic tricks. Like what do you do? Like when he's got you in the headlock going all right, you're going to throw me upside down now. Yeah, there's that. You communicate too. And a lot of times you know, at this level, all of us are pros and have the experience to do things. And sometimes it's just one word, a high spot or whatever. If high spot is a combination of moves that you might have or whatever. So, yeah, so I mean, it's like being a

high-level jazz musician when you see those guys get together they're just jamming they're following the changes and watching each other and they go off from that space or that space they're like you know watching the grateful dead or fish or any great jam band yeah yeah you just watch them they know where to go like we're going to do this we have an idea because we're all pros and then when they're ready to go to the next one the guitar player look at the drama and be like okay let's change the next thing yeah you know it's funny is I had this band we're not in the band anymore we're friends but we had a band for a little while left on laurel and uh they're like always getting really high and like let's fucking just jam on stage for half an hour i go no like what do you

mean like because when i'm playing a chord you don't know what i'm playing nobody knows what the fuck i'm doing except rob who's been playing the guitar's all life this is going to be terrible unless you guys want to play a for an hour there's those guys that think they can do that you have to be pro enough to know that you got to be pro to be pro to be able to do that. So it's like I bring up improv comedy and there's nothing better than great improv comedy and there's nothing worse than bad improv comedy. And it's the same with jamming on stage. It's the same with a wrestling match. Like when you have guys and that are the best of their field, it's like the greatest. And there's guys that don't really know what they're doing.

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Ever wonder how dark the world can really get? Well, we dive into the twisted, the terrifying, and the true stories behind some of the worlds. most chilling crimes. Hi, I'm Ben. And I'm Nicole. Together we host Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast that unpacks real-life horrors one case at a time. With deep research, dark storytelling, and the occasional drink to take the edge off,

we're here to explore the Wicked and Reveal the Grim. We are Wicked and Grim. Follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform. But back to the injury. This is where the whole point comes in. What if you're wrestling somebody and you know what you're doing, but they don't do right thing how have you not gotten hurt knock on wood in 30 years except for a broken arm because look you say high up or whatever the hell you say and the guy gives doesn't do exactly right or doesn't

hear you're right or something that's how that has to have happened yeah that happens sometimes more than more than anything it just kind of leads to an awkward moment where you kind of just bump into each other you know or you know it's very rare that it ends an injury I mean sometimes you can get a punch to the face or a kick to the head and that happens that's just the way that's the way it goes. I mean, but most of the time if there's a mistake in the ring, it's just because somebody didn't quite understand or didn't hear something and you might

just kind of bump into each other or miss something or whatever it may be. But, you know, that's another thing too about Rustin. The wrestling will get dragged over the coals for something like that when it happens. But I watched, you know, Tampa Bay Box last night against the freaking... Fuck. I'm

so pissed. Giants or whatever. And it's like, you know, sometimes the quarterback will throw a ball and the guy goes this way instead of that. way and it just goes like what the fuck happened there like that was a total screw up right wrestling when that happens like oh it's a botch he screwed up in baseball it's called an error and football it's called a bad throw and wrestling it's like crucifixion you know because wrestling is neither fish nor foul it's not a complete sport it's not a complete show it's a combination of the two so it almost gets judged by different rules because of that so when there's a mistake in wrestling

it's much more by wrestling fans much more focused on than when you see a mistake in actual sports. Yeah, but so if like, for instance, are the wrestlers out there you included, if you get smacked in the face, you're not supposed to be, motherfucker. Well, yeah, of course. I mean, that happens too. Obviously, we're all on the same page. There were times back in the early days where guys would want to go in there and, you know, take advantage, especially like in other countries, if you were a foreign guy coming

to work in Japan, maybe the Japanese guy that's there every week, every month is angry that you're there to steal a spot and might want to give you a couple shots to face, but you just give a few back and he goes back to the bully rule. He said, nobody wants to take a punch to the head. You know, so they'll just kind of back

off, but I mean, you do get errant hits. It just happens. It's the way it is. It's not a big deal. I mean, if it happens two or three times in a match, then you might start, you know, sending a few messages back, but I punch the face or a kick to the head or whatever maybe it happens.

So you never went to someone's room after the show and go, dude, what the fuck was that about? Yeah, no, that's rare. That doesn't have you said. Have you heard about that? Someone comes in the rest of the room? That's more like I said, that's old school stuff for guys who get in fights after. For us at this level, there's no time for that shit. We're working on national TV, you know, with a million dollar company, tens of million

dollar company, whatever you might say. There's no room for that Bush League kind of stuff. So we're all pros. Were you always in high school wanting to play music? Were you always into music as well and thought, you know, because you were. Yeah, I was way more into music than I ever was in wrestling as far as knowing like the history and the trivia and all that sort of stuff. Like I can talk music to the cows come home. Wrestling trivia is a little bit different because I'm not quite as like I don't remember A&B, but I'll tell you, you know,

who the second guitar player was in the first Iron Main record and, you know, how many songs he wrote on that. Who was the bass player for Quiet Riot? Rudy Sars is my boy my buddy I love Rudy nicely is the nicest guy in the world he would tell stories

how he never really drank and you know he'd be around all the big guys and you know they'd feel uncomfortable so he'd have a drink but he'd just sit there and sip it or

that was an old school wrestling thing too even if he didn't drink always have one in your hand that way everyone trusts you you can't hang out with the boys and not have a drink

because they think there's some kind of a spy or something you know but yeah so yeah I was always super into music man I still into this day And that's what, like, with Talk is Jericho, with my podcast, when it was first kind of pitch to me, I'm like, it's great, but I'm not doing a wrestling show. Well, so, well, you've got to do, like, I'll do some wrestling, but that would drive me crazy.

It has to be a combination of all the things that I'm into, which is acting music, everything. Yeah, everything. You know, we'd be paranormal and all that sort of stuff. Ooh, dude, I like all this shit. Paranormal? Come on. I just was watching the ambit of a horror and trying to tell my friends, I did this movie with West Craven. And he was like, you know, it's all bullshit.

the family of O'Hargo. No, no, no. The guy killed his family, and then the Lutz family moves in, and then within a month, they have to get the hell out. They left everything in the house. They had no money, and they went to the other side of the country. You're telling me that something didn't happen in the house. And I just, these conversations

go on. Oh, yeah. So, oh, yeah. Dude, I, I actually, we did a signing in Vegas with my band Fossey, and I might be getting the kid's name wrong, but I think it's Ronald. Ronald Lutz. Ronald DeFayo. Defeo. Defeo.

was the one who killed his family in the original house and then the family that moved in were the Lutz's George Lutz. Yeah, so one of the Lutz kids. I can't remember what his name was. Michael Lutzy. Maybe, maybe, I don't remember you.

Grew up in the house and showed up at the size of, hey man, my name's Michael Lutz and my family is the Ammanville Horace. I was like, what? Like, tell me some stories, man, you know? I had also Andrea Perron whose family was the family in The Conjuring. I went to her house in Winterhaven, Florida

to do a podcast, and she's, He's like, oh, yeah, this house is haunted, too. It's not the house, it's me. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, I'm just going to sit over here. I don't want that shit rubbing off on me. And her weird dad, the guy that's in the movie played by Patrick Wilson, I think his name, right? Patrick Wilson, yep. So now he's older, obviously, because Andrea is probably 50 or 60s.

He's her dad's, you know, 70, 80. And when she started talking, he was sitting in the kitchen, we were kind of in the living room. He was just sitting the whole time kind of staring. And when she started talking about stuff that he didn't like, he'd start banging. pots and pans together and like opening the fridge and like causing all these noises and that's like like he's obviously not happy

so he's showing his displeasure by making kitchen noises it was just creepy like so I like that shit and people appreciate that about me as well so it's fun to kind of have all these different interests and ideas and things that you want to talk about. Dude have me on your

show on Jericho I would love to talk just I'd love to. That's one of the reasons why we're doing this is to do the reciprocate reciprocation. I mean, I'd talk to you about, you know, my guest recently was Bruce Campbell. He's come on the show a couple times. And I'm just a big fright night fan

and I just love horror. So, yeah, I could talk about horror all day. Dude, it's funny. I just did two things I just had for Halloween, the top 10 horror movies of all time, which I debated with a bunch of different people, which was great. And then I also just did the documentary in search of darkness too.

which is completely based on what your hat says. I love 80s horror. So that was killer as well to kind of host that and kind of all of the seller dwellers and, you know, 973 evil and Amityville Horror 2 and like, you name it. We have it on there. It's actually pretty cool.

What's your favorite horror movie of all time on? Don't say it yet. Like I said, the thing. The thing is number one. Yeah. What's number two? Probably Halloween, the John Carpenter won two punch. Really?

You wouldn't put the shining or alien or the exorcists or the omen before? that um i love the omen and i love omen too those are both of my top ten i actually did a watch along with kevin smith of the omen too because we're both obsessed at that movie because when we first saw it we were the same ages well you two you're these same ages as i am almost yep like damien was 12 and like i was like i'm 12 like this is crazy like what if i knew this guy and like would i want to be friends with them or not because he goes to the prom and all the chicks are hanging out with him and he beats up the high school bully and like I might want to hang out

with the antichrist if I knew he knows like he knows on a party I don't know what it is about horror I think because my mother at eight years old um would say when you watch these movies with me because my dad wouldn't so we watch motel hell and all these things and so I'm always like I got a security system I got dogs I got a bat next to my bed I got every you know I look under my bed it's it's my mom's fault were you always in the horror how did you get into that What was it? Well, I remember when I woke up when my parents went to the movies, and they went and saw the omens.

This is probably like 1976, so I was five. And my mom was looking through my hair to see if she could find, yeah. She didn't, she found a couple fives, but there's no six. But that might have, but I remember like, like I was always kind of really obsessed. I would go to the library at my school and take out any book about horror movies, about Greek mythology, Hammer films, whatever they had in there in the horror section.

And so there was no, this is pre-VCR. So every Saturday night, there'd be some horror movies on at late night. It just kind of was what they would have in Winnipeg. So my mom would let me watch it, but I would have to go to bed at 10.30 at night and then wake up at midnight,

an hour and a half later. She wouldn't let me stay up the whole way through. But if I could get up at midnight, I was allowed to go downstairs and watch horror movies. So that's kind of how I got into it. You see all those old school, like I said, Hammer Films and the Universal Films and all that sort of stuff. And then it just kind of went from there. It just was always attracted to it and watched, you know, the 80s is kind of the advent of movies stores and movie rental stores.

So you can go to the horror section and just choose whatever you wanted it. And we watched them all, like fucking all of them. You know what I'm saying? That's kind of what I started. My buddies, we all have a Zoom night horror night every week. So we, you know, with the thing, so we were all, you know, usually they come over, but now obviously, you know, people are spread out and everything. So we zoom it. And we said, you know, let's watch the whole Friday the 13th, all 10. And I was like, fuck, I don't want to do that. They're just terrible problem. I don't even remember. I mean, I remember. So we started watching. They were kind of fun in the beginning. And then I remember why they started getting bad. A, they never showed the kills as much. You'd be, you would see somebody's head turned. But in the beginning, you saw like, oh, wow, the axe or the, you had Tom. Savini doing the makeup and it was just so cool and they spent so much time on it and maybe they cut a lot of shit in the later ones and then also and it may sound chauvinistic but like

I miss seeing boobies yeah oh yeah and like even even there was a dong in there for anyone's taste but like a dong some boobs some some gross stuff it's just like come on let's have fun and now it's like oh my god I barely saw a boob yeah they started they started losing it at six like four and five are actually really good because I just did the same Same thing. I watched this documentary called Return to Crystal Lake. Yeah, I'm watching it now. I'm only on episode five. Or in the fifth movie. Yeah, because it's like, it's like five hours long.

Yeah, I'm watching it, dude. Yeah, so I would watch half an hour a day. And you start hearing why they started cutting down, cracking down on them for the violence and all that sort of stuff. And cracking down on them for the sex. But then it just started getting more and more ridiculous with, you know, Jason goes to space and all this stuff. But they have to do Friday the 13th part 13.

They have to. They have to do it. And then just do that one and maybe do like what they did with Halloween, where, you know, three through 11 didn't happen. And this takes place right after two or something along those lines. But I would really like to see one more, but done really well like they've done with the Halloween movies. Yeah, I would like to say. I mean, you got to do, if it's called Friday of the 13th, you got to have the 13th installment.

I think they went through a lawsuit and there's a whole bunch of shit going on. They did. Yeah, exactly. So that's what's going on. You'll hear all about that, the documentary with Sean Cunningham, and there's another producer involved, and it just kind of gets... Steve Minor, probably? Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, he directed some Smallville episodes. He was a really nice guy, but you don't see him in the documentary. I wonder why. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. All right, here we go, shit talking with Rosenbaum or shit talking with Chris Jericho. This is fast, so throw him away. What's, Elisa H., what's your favorite wrestling move, whether one of yours or someone else's?

I love the Judas Effect, which is mine, and I always loved the Rock bottom. Lucas M. As a lifelong horror fan, I saw that you got to work in Search of Darkness part two as you talked about. How did you get involved with the project? They asked me because they know I'm a really big horror movie fan and they were looking for somebody to kind of be the figurehead of it and that was me.

Lee M.P., you kind of answered this, but you've been a wrestler, had a band, different television shows, acted, all this stuff, producer. Which one do you enjoy the very most? I like when people ask for that because they say, if you only had to choose one, the thing is I don't have to choose one because they do them both and they're both amazing in different ways. wrestling's i've done it longer i've been to the highest of heights but my band also has five top 30 singles now so we're doing pretty good in that aspect as well so they're both just a blast to be involved with baza check them out mark a jericho you made a career as an entertainment

wrestler actor musician dancer game host is there any avenue left you haven't explored that you'd love to try um i'm sure something will come up i'd like to do more acting that's always fun for me um acting outside of the acting that i do on on w every week so maybe some more of that probably. Dana asked how do you feel about the older wrestlers that had so much success early on in the careers which we talked about a little bit and now have nothing but medical problems

and no help from the companies that made them money. Yeah, that's a drag. That bothers me when guys can't even afford to go get a checkup or whatever it may be. I think there should be some kind of more of a pension type thing, but wrestling's never been that way. There's no union either, which is very strange, but it's just the way it is.

Is there a link or something somebody can go to or something that helps wrestlers who have retired or athletes? Most times they'll put up GoFundMe pages. So if you guys are wrestling fans, always keep an eye on social media and you'll see somebody needs some kind of a medical issue needs to be fixed

or something simple like the guy needs a new motor for his car or whatever. Just a lot of stuff like that those guys like you mentioned that were at the highest of heights and then when it was over they had nothing left. So I was trying to keep an eye and try and help out when I can. Last question.

Rossi, name something in your life that you have done that makes you proud? I think just the biggest thing for me is the fact that I was able to travel the world doing what I always wanted to do. You know, it's the old saying, if you do something that you love, you'll never work a day in your life. And obviously it's a lot of work and it's a lot of sacrifice and a lot of, you know, blood, sweat and tears and beers. But I wouldn't want to do anything else.

And I'll be 75 years old sitting in the back of a Starbucks busking if I have to because I'm an entertainer. I've got to be in showbiz, maybe. Well, listen, man, I can't wait to maybe get on the ice with you someday again. I can't wait to come on your podcast. And where can they find the podcast? Just everywhere, man. It's called Talk is Jericho. And it's pretty popular. So it's, you know, iTunes, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, all that sort of stuff.

So we always have a good time with it. It's fun. Any movies or anything else coming out? I just did Terrifier 2, which if you're a horror movie fan, it's terrified. Yeah, there you go. Art the Clown. Crazy. He said to that. And I did another with Kevin Smith called Kilroy was here, which is a horror anthology,

that I think he's still looking for a place to get the distribution, which I'm sure will be soon. During a pandemic, a finished done Kevin Smith movie should be a no-brainer. Inspired by Sticks. Kill Roy. Yeah, my scene was called Domoriotto, Mr. Robato, maybe you've heard of it. Yeah, maybe you've heard.

Dude, this has been a real pleasure, man. I love talking to you. Yeah, thanks for reaching on. We'll do something on my show next. we'll find a topic and delve into it i can't wait man thanks for allowing me to be inside of you young man thank you brother appreciate it all right see you bud take care you too he's these wrestlers are the kind of guys ryan and i just you know i don't want to be in underwear with them because you know i their bodies are a lot better than mine i would look like string beans oh yeah

string bean salad uh i would get destroyed and uh it scares me it's like wow these guys i mean they've been doing it their whole eyes i've interviewed dave batista and um you know now jericho and uh it's pretty fascinating um batista's trying to get page on the podcast for me oh that'd be cool and uh somebody else as well so i'm gonna have to hammer him on that but thanks chris jericho it was really enlightening and fun and guys if you if you came here for chris jericho and you're still somehow listening you know like i said subscribe listen to the podcast support it right in hello at inside of you podcast no hello at inside of you podcast.com i do read the messages i don't always send messages back because I wouldn't leave the house and I'd be online all day and that would be really

sad. But I do read your messages and I thank you. Again, the handles Ryan for the podcast. They are at Inside of You pod on Twitter, Inside of You podcast on Instagram and Facebook, YouTube. YouTube.com slash Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. That's right. And if you want any cool merch, go to the Inside of You online store, tons of great stuff, tumblers and autographs and all Lex Luther pictures and sorority boys. I figured, you know, people are selling my shit online and making money. Why shouldn't I at least sell them so they know they're coming from me and sell them cheaper than what these assholes are selling? By the way, you're not assholes.

I don't get mad at that. I'm like, do what you want. If you want me to sign an autograph and you want to go ahead and sell it for 300, what, the three cents, you go do that because, hey, everybody has to make a living. But I figure, you know, at least you know it's coming from me. It's not as expensive. It's not like these other guys. So that's why I do it.

There'll be some really cool extra merch coming out too. Thanks, Chris Jericho. Ryan, we had for New Year's Eve, what did we do? Tell everybody. Oh, we did bingo over Zoom. A little bingo, I won 20 bucks and you won twice, which I think is some bullshit. Well, Ryan, I knew you'd bring that up. And I specifically said in the beginning, I am not doing my cards.

Joe, who is virtually out there, Joe, who's, you know, Joe doesn't cheat. Old Spina, he doesn't cheat. He does not. He takes the car seriously. And I said, I don't even know what my card is. I don't know. Allison sent the cards out. And everyone's like, Joe, how am I doing?

And you're like, oh, you're four away. And then bingo. I'm like, Rosenbaum, you got a bingo. I'm like, what? I want 150 bucks. Did you least kick Joe some of that 150 bucks cash? I take care of Joe. All right.

You know, it's not the way you want to go out on a, but it's, it's fitting. And we were together virtually and next year, we're going to make up for lost time. In fact, I'm going to throw, besides hopefully throwing my summer camp next year, I am going to Camp Rosie, which I know you'll attend. And by the way, my patrons will get first dibs on tickets. I think it'll probably sell out, but who knows? It's going to be like a real camp for two days. Besides the camp, I want to do a party that my friend Lally came up with.

It's called the Allodays Party. All the holidays you miss from 2020 with your friends. You have one big blowout. And that's what I'm going to do, All the Days. Rosenbaum's Alladies Party. That'll be fun. And I can't wait to have a patron party because I told them one day when the world's better, we'll figure out a way to get everybody like

I'll rent out of place in L.A. or we'll go to a park and we'll karaoke or some shit and get some bruise. Here's the patrons who make this show very possible along with you listening and subscribing and all that jazz. And thank you for everybody, everybody for listening. Again, Chris Jericho, Ryan,

my engineer editor, and Bryce, my producer. Here we go. Nancy D. Leah S. Trisha F., Sarah V. Little Lisa, Y. Kiko. Jill E. Brian H. Lauren G. Nico. Robin S. Jerry W. Emily. Robert I. I'm going to hammer you, Ryan. Get ready. Okay. Jason W. Stephen J. Kristen. Okay. Amelia O. Allison L. Jess J. Lucas M. Raj. C. Joshua. D. Emily. F. S. Shit. I think there

might be an Emily F too. But wow, dude. That was incredible. Incredible. C.J. P. Samantha. M. Jennifer. P. No. N. Jennifer. L.O. Jackie P. Stacey L. Carly H. Jennifer S. Janelle B. Cary B. Tabitha 2. 72. Not to be confused with. Ashley Ryan. Kimberly E. Crystal H. Mike E. Marissa. N. Beth P. Santiago M. Sarah F. Chatt W. L. H. Lian P. Rosh H. Rosh. Rosh. Rosh. H. Rosh. Rosh. H. Rosh. H. Rosh. H. Rosh. R. H. Nush. H. R. H. Nush. H. H. Nush. H. H. R. H. Nusia. W. Osbeorn. Osbeorn. H. G. G. G. M. A. M.E.C. Dave H. Samantha S. Spider-M. H. Spider-H. S. S. Spider-Mah. Shila. G. Ray H. Alyssa C. Jacob H. Tab of the T. Misha H. Debb. Nately 6222.

Not to be confused with. Natalie 6.23. B. Henry S. K.D. F. Daniela V. Lillian A. Joseph C. Michelle K. Maddie W. Marcos W. Hannaby. Michael S. S. Lass. L. L. Andrew T. Christy S, thanks to all the new patrons. I messaged to all of you after you join Patreon.com slash inside of you. This has been a great episode. I look forward to the next one.

It's going to be even better. Next week, you do not want to miss Tom Welling. My cohort, my partner in crime is back. Clark Ken from Smallville. You've seen him in Lucifer. If you've made it this far in the episode, you better come next week because it's going to get pretty noisy. Thank you for allowing me to be inside of you.

All of you. Ryan, want to wave. Bye. See you guys. Thanks. Love you. Football season is here. Oh, man.

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