Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Zachary Levi Returns

Episode Date: April 23, 2019

Zachary Levi (Shazam, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, Chuck) returns to the podcast to talk about preparing himself both physically and mentally to embody a superhero on screen, the audition process to get the role, and what it's like to make a movie that's pure joy. Michael and Zach get inside of each other this week when they discuss moving past trauma, spirituality, parents, and what Zach wants out of a romantic relationship. Also, Michael talks about his audition for Shazam! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Can you hear me? Do you remember that song? I know like a cover. Can you hear me running? Can you hear me running? Can you hear me calling you? All right, are we rolling? Yeah.

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Tyler's here with me. Tyler, how are you? I'm doing good. This is the first episode I'm on that's going to release, I think. Is that true? Yeah, we've recorded like three and those are all. four years in the future that's true those but this this could air very soon yeah this is a great

episode zach levi is on the show shazam it's everywhere it's making hundreds of millions of dollars i'm telling you if you guys anybody out there ever has doubted themselves ever had no self-worth or depressed or anxious or just a human being if you have it you're super you're actually a super person you know hearing him speak about his life and his experience and how he's growing as a person just it blows me away i feel like i'm just i can't stop listening where i'm like i forget i'm in an interview i'm just i'm like at a seminar that i'm really interested in that i'm just trying to get to be a better person and he's been through so fucking much anyway zach levi he's on the show uh i'll be in some cons conventions i'll be in uh Orlando and dallas and um calgary a

bunch of conventions so uh look on twitter and instagram and all that thanks for listening and subscribing that's really all i have to say do you want to say anything tyler yeah i forgot to say it on the episode actually my mom uh foster parent like two or three weeks ago was asking me like hey what's in theaters that i should go see and then when when shazam came out i was like fuck yeah it's like i like texted her i was like this it's this one i was like hey guess what it really is you know it's it's it's touching it's sweet it's Zach's a knock out. He's so funny. So charming. It makes me want to work out religiously. He's awesome. And, you know what I forgot to do? I forgot to have him right on a fat scooter. Oh, yeah. Well, it's kind of

dark out, though. It's kind of dark, but I got a light on the fat scooter. Anyway, I'll do that next time. But let's get inside Zach Levi. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Zach Levi's taking a piss, and he'll be with us here in just a moment. I think he actually said it was a shit. Nah. I think he was bragging about it.

Superheroes don't shit, man. But supervillains do. They just get shit in the suit. Yeah, those headphones, put those on. I'm going to put them on. Just give me a second. I'm just sitting down for those of you listening at home. It's very loud, by the way, at least in my headphones.

Hey! That's the pot call on the kettle black roast. I'm loud, I am a loud fucker. He's a loud guy. Take a drink of that. Tell me what you think of that. I'm going to take a drink of that. It's a sparkling drink with some, is it good?

Oh, it's so tasty. It is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. It wasn't too much tequila with some, uh, what is this stuff, is he? Hornitos. Hornitos. Cornitos. Hornitos.

Hornitos. Hornitas de horniest of tequila. Can you speak Spanish? A poiquito. That means. very little. Well, it means a little, not very little. I know. Much bito would be very little. So I know enough to know what very little means. Bienvenitos to the United States. Yeah, welcome to the United States.

My name is Miguel. Your name is Miguel? Me too. You have a great head. It means I have a big head. You do. Yeah, thanks. I have a large head. You don't have a large head. I was making a, I was making an ego joke, you see. So you know what's funny is, uh, so I might have a big head. to have a little surgery, another surgery on my neck. What? They put an artificial disc and it didn't do well, but the good thing is, is there. No.

Yeah. So I said, fuck it. I can't work for a couple months. So I went to the hairstylist today. Dude, you went for the shave, bro. Well, I just trimmed it. Like a little buzz cut. I mean, that's a shit.

You didn't shave. You didn't small vell it, but you. I didn't small veiled it, but I, you, you, uh, what was that? Quasyluthered. The happy Luther, the luther, the luth. You got the Louf? I did the Loufa. The Luttha.

No, what is that jarhead? You jarheaded it. Did I jarheaded it? This is a real treat you come in and I thought for sure. I was like, man, he's got Shazam Press. You're all over the place. You were on Colbert the other night. Yeah, man.

I mean, it's been amazing. Is it just a dream? Look, you've done the press. Well, I've done the press. Oh, you mean, with other stuff. It was all a dream. It was all a dream. I don't know.

I wish I knew Biggie better. We should know that. We should. We should. We should. Look, I've done. considerable amounts of press in various jobs that I've had in the past, but in somewhat different ways. Somebody recently asked me, they were like, you know, are you, are you, are you, are you wrecked?

Or like, what was the most surprising part of the whole, the whole press tour? And the truth is, none of it was really a surprise in that. I've done all the pieces of it. I just have never done all of those pieces, the magnitude of it, exactly. So to go on like a five-week national, then-international press tour. Where did you go? We started in Los Angeles on March 3rd, and then basically every three to four days, we change cities, and the order went L.A., Miami, Chicago, Toronto,

New York, London, L.A., Beijing, L.A., Mexico City, New York. Private jet? No, no, no. Wait a minute. D.C. didn't give you a private jet? No. Well, I mean, I'm not there. I'm not there, man. Well, no, I mean, I don't know. Maybe other people get private jets, but that's, look, Here's the thing.

Even still, I mean, the movie's out right now and it's doing very well. I still live in reasonable anonymity. I'm not getting popped and stopped at every street corner. You live in Texas, buddy. I haven't even been home. That's anonymity. I mean, you're living on 75 acres of God's green earth, everybody. I'll tell you, I went and saw this movie.

Now, I saw, you know, here's the thing with me. You know me. I'm not, I know people think what. They're going to say what, but I've never been a huge superhero fan. There's just, to me, there's just like so many of them. And every hour there's a lot. a new one and there's a lot there's a lot of it there's a lot very saturated and it's hard to say that because I was a super villain but I you know and I had a blast well you were a villain I don't

know how super you yeah I wasn't that super but I saw it occasionally I'll see one for my friend if my friends are gonna go for you so I was there like within two nights I went to see it because I said you know I stood and you sent me a text and said bro I'm I got 20 people we're all going to see it literally meant the world to me and mean it means the world and by the way, for everybody out there that's listening, obviously you're listening because this man has literally created such an incredible, genuinely, incredible podcast, incredible opportunity for people to be real and talk, and specifically in our business and talk about things that I think are very important that helped to, particularly when it comes to mental health and destigmatizing and on all

that jazz. But what I don't know, every, I don't know if everybody knows the hospitality. Part of the reason why I think this show works, honestly, is because you're a very hospitable host. somebody who genuinely loves people and cares about people. That's true. And you also go out of your way and use your resource and energy to go and support people and believe in people. Of course, yeah. The fact that you wrangled, you know, because I've been on your emails sometimes, like,

hey, we're watching the game or we're doing, or having to hang out or whatever. And I'm very much like that too. I love community. I love all that stuff. But that you go out of your way to essentially organize a, you know, 20 person strong group to go see my movie. It wasn't hard to get him to see it. I'll be honest with you.

Well, that's great. People love these movies And I told you this in the text Like you know it sucks because like if your friend sucks in a movie or the movie sucks You're kind of like fuck you can't tell him that So you're like dude hey great job I'm really tough like I can't be like I love you Zach But if I hated it and I just didn't think it was great or I just think I would find a way to be nice

But I wouldn't go out of my way to be nice Hey Tyler's here with us and You know what's great is Tyler we just had a malfunction that you guys didn't hear because, you know, master editing. Literally just snip that right out of it. But had it, I mean, it was like time travel. I mean, just a little restart, a little pokey poke. It literally was, the solution was the thing that all troubleshooting starts with

was, have you turned it off and then turned it on again? Yeah, that's always it. Tyler, you were a little freaked out because you're like, well, I'm used to this other device. Right. What's it called? A Zoom. Yeah, the Zoom. No one cares, but I just said it anyway.

Right. So he was going to use the Zoom. People care. Just because you don't care There's five audio engineers out there that care There you go This will also be edited Oh this better stay

This better stay Anyway I was getting at Look I went to see You were very nice Kind in saying that you know I'm hospitable and I'm You are you're in support my friends You're a very hospitable

And you're an incredibly big hearted host Who likes to gather people You were doing this Back at bowling nights When I didn't even know you but met you and was friends with Ali Hillis and all that jazz like you've always been that kind of guy but i think that's a problem with me uh it's only a problem if it's affecting the other areas of your life in in their growth explain to me because see already we're going to get deep because i see there's a

sparkle in your eye or something where you're like only go ahead only if it's affecting parts of my life no no only if it's affecting the growth of other parts of your growth positive upward growth i don't know well i think that some times when you waste a lot of time on i'm not going to say use the word waste but when you devote a lot of your time to making other people happy to fulfilling their days to not taking care of yourself as much as you should sure to that can be a problem but that's what i'm saying you were neglecting that i got from what you said yes exactly i do neglect my health yeah what's you which you should not do we all here's here's here's one of the because it's guilt things that i what you have

guilt about what you know it's like you know i got to go see my grandmother i got to go see my mom I got to help her out. I got to go help this person. And I got to, and I don't. I don't always have to do things and help people. You don't. You don't have to do any of those things. Right. I mean, that's the truth.

Let me just preface all the things that anyone's about to hear in this podcast is these are all my opinions, my thoughts. These are things that I've come to form over 38 years of life and tons of therapy and reading various books and having so many different conversations with very interesting people. And that's why I know you had an answer for it. I have felt this opinion of yours coming, which I look forward to hearing. Well, okay. Well, I mean, that's why I like this podcast, because you're getting inside of me again. But you're getting inside of me.

I know. Well, by the way, and we did talk about this. Like, we were going to flip the script on this because I really want to get in, I want to get inside of her. The next time you come over. Oh, the third time I get to interview you. The third time, you know, I don't think I want anybody. Look, like Tom Welling came over and he interviewed me. We kind of interviewed each other a little bit, but it wasn't the same.

I am telling you right. now the next time you come over whether it's six months from now or what you're going to interview me great cool that's it that'll be the trilogy i'm not going to sit here and ask you questions you're going to ask me quick and i'm not to sit here and take it oh my god yes but you know what man i got to tell you i uh you're filthy but yeah you said you know if it's affecting your growth and i think what happened was that immediately spoke volumes to me because i think it does with relationships with i've dated girls we're like oh we're going to play softball with all your friends again oh we're doing this oh your friends are coming over again oh we're there

so it's like i i you can't be alone with me you need your friends around yeah and there's truth to it i feel like i need what is that what what's going on i i know you're not a fucking therapist no no no no but you've been through therapy no but i've been through it i know i'm happy to weigh in what i'm saying is that i don't know that there's an exact answer i think that there are myriad reasons why uh we are who we are uh we are uh we are uh we are One of those things, and I don't know if you and I've ever talked about this, is the Enneagram, which I would love to dive into at greater length or depth, either in this conversation or later. But I think that's, with the Enneagram, by the way, for anybody who's wondering is kind of a, it's like a cross between the Zodiac and the Myers-Briggs. It's like it is both deeply spiritual to many, many people.

It's also like some very textbook psychology, literally, and it's all tied into the same kind of thing. you can go and Google it, E-N-N-E-A-G-R-A-M-A-M-Eagram. When did you discover this? I discovered it actually, ironically, or about two months before I ended up in super intensive therapy, and then the life coach that was a part of all of that

brought up the Eniogram was like, if you ever heard of it? I was like, yeah, randomly a friend of mine had the app on their phone, and I took the test, and she goes, what number were you? And I said, I was a seven. She goes, yep, I would have called it as soon as you walked in the room,

and then got a couple of different books, on the Enneagram and learned so much about what it is in there and also because I actually because I actually do subscribe to it more I will say I subscribe to it more than I subscribe to Zodiac or to numerology or to Myers-Bregsy I don't know I don't know anything about the stuff but what I will tell you and I want you to finish the only reason before I forget this thought which I think I forgot is that you know if I if I go online Zach and I look up psychopath characteristics of a psychopath you know I'm pretty much I go wow mom has 15 of 20 but if I go on there I'm self-diagnosing myself when you're talking about this thing you say I'm a seven yeah you you being a seven yeah yeah yeah how do you how are you sure you're a seven you're not just thinking you're no no no because look is that a good question 100% a great question what I would say is I'm not somebody who's easily diluted I have gone to my life and learned various things from people in places of authority in my life specifically my parents or schooling or society or whatever that have definitely conditioned me to have certain beliefs.

I have tried my darnness throughout my life to challenge every single one of those things and try and get to the root of actual truth. Let's just say for the sake of argument, the gravity, the thing that we all know that if you drop something on this planet, it falls at a particular rate based on its mass and velocity and yada, yada, yada. That is a truth. You know what the truth to me is, I genuinely believe, because I as a spiritual person, believe in a creator, right? I believe in a creator. Sure. Okay. Okay. And some people think that the creator is the universe itself or or

give it different names or whatever. But let's, at the very least, to be able to at least agree that there is that entity, whatever that is, right? That intelligent designer. Yes. This is the matrix. This is, there's, the coding of this reality, let's say, includes something like gravity. That's in the code of what it is. And to me, the code is the truth. And I think that there are things literally within our own souls that know the code. You know when someone is being authentic to you, you know, I mean, hopefully, obviously we can be deceived as well. But you know when you feel like when somebody is being, um, they want to get something from you. Yes, when

they have ulterior motive. Like there's, how do you explain that other than there is a disturbance in the force? There is a glitch in the matrix. There is that kind of, you know, that deja vu, that black cat, You see twice, and you go, I'm feeling something here. But what is that? What is that feeling other than something connected to what I believe to be, some kind of spiritual realm or dimension, if you will? And there is a code that's been programmed and we can then feel each other and know each other. And, you know, there's, look, there's all kinds of other examples of how human beings have been able to communicate

and even within and within our own body, like monks who are out in the freezing cold and they put a wet blanket on them and they heat the blanket up with their own body so much that the entire blanket dries and now they're warm in that blanket. Like the things that are, even our body is able to do and how are you able to do that if it's just the physical world? If it's just only actual brass tacks,

ones and zeros binary, this is what it is. So I think to that extent there is a code and I try to find what I believe to be actual objective truth i think i think i hope we can all journey there well didn't uh tom hank search for that oh that was the vinci code how long were you listening to what i was saying you know what i was actually no i didn't until you said code yeah yeah sure sure no uh it's fascinating i said code a long time ago you did you say as soon as you said code so like the last three minutes of my rambling i believe i believe in all that look i have a lot of friends who are atheists i have a

friends who are they say they're agnostic i don't see how someone's atheist i think you have to have it's sad to think that like i'm not saying i think we talk about this last yeah but i think you know you have to have faith in something i just feel like you have to have faith in something otherwise why are we here just to just to be i don't i mean yeah i'm not i'm not saying what i look i'm not saying i'm a religious person i'm not saying i go to church or a temple or sure do you do you go to church um i did for a lot of my life man I went to church a lot. And I don't necessarily have anything against it.

In fact, I mean, like, my journey started in and still remains, for the most part, within, I guess, the lineage of a world of Judeo-Christianity. Like, I grew up in a Christian home. My mom was a Christian. My dad is a Christian. My stepdad. My grandma, like my mom's family on that side was Catholic, but that's still in the same line. You know, you're growing up with a lot of the same biblical stories and tenants and, and, you know, values and morals and all that kind of stuff and it's easy for people to believe when you're a kid

you believe everything your parents tell you yes because though that's smartest people in the world literally your touchstone of of what is reality and what is true yeah and i what's unfortunate is that they're not they don't they are not right a lot of the time but we have to be able to like we also talked about the last time yeah we have to be able to forgive them that because they didn't know better because they learned from their parents who didn't know better who learned from their parents who didn't know better, we have to forgive. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money, period.

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and that's that's what they thought was if you look at like an aluminum can almost right like a perfect aluminum can it's right out of the the factory and it's smooth and all all the lines are perfect great great great great red bull hey come on maybe it's a squirt red bull taste like a laser might be a dabs root player it's a day hi um so by the way Tyler goes I was listening to you and Zach's first podcast together and you guys just went on about Harry Carey yeah I don't even know who Harry Carey is but I've heard you do Harry Carey 40 fucking times. I've heard you do it at least 10. Are you 18? How old are you? I'm 25. 25. This was somebody from the 60s, I'm guessing. No, I mean, he was still announcing into the 90s, wasn't he?

I think he was, but he was in the 60s. He's not wrong, man. He's not totally wrong. But look, I agree with you to a point, but it's very hard to, I had this conversation with Dax, Dax Shepard on a plane where it started to get here. he did or he was talking about mental illness and I was like agreeing but I was also saying sexual molestation molestation molesting jeez I can't speak but you know as a kid there was some things that happened to me that like I dodged some bullets and I still had I still like I remember the

feeling I had as a child so scared so nervous what's going to happen and I wasn't even molested but it was close like I almost like I escaped and I could tell you that story on time and I will say that now when I hear these stories I can relate to that scared little boy or girl that is just that's going through the in a small way where I'm like oh look I was molested when I was a kid by another kid and the ramifications of that have followed me throughout my entire life literally introducing me to sex at a time when you shouldn't have been introduced to it you shouldn't be how old were you uh about five i think four or five something like that it's amazing most people you just moved back for a while most people can't remember what they did when they were five but you that oh dude that vivid and vivid memories starting around around three or four i mean i don't remember all of it but i mean i have very vivid uh uh tangible memories um and also you know i of course i have to always uh assume that there could be some romanticizing in my own brain.

You know, like, do you really remember moments exactly the way? Even as an adult, do you remember a moment exactly how it went down? Or do you have their, you know, there's all kinds of studies on this kind of, you know, you remember somebody wearing a black suit when they were wearing a blue suit or whatever. I don't know. I'm not professing. I know everything that happened to me exactly when I was a child, but I know what happened to me. It's so crazy you said that because I'd never really

talked about this, but the same thing happened to me. It was another kid. Oh, so that did happen. And I never have talked about it, but now that you've talked about it, I feel like, I'm fucking. This is the first time we talked about it. I think this might be the first time that I've talked about this. But, you know, I talked to my therapist about it. I go, um... Oh, so you've talked to these therapists about it.

Yes, yes. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I said, um, has this affected me? And he looked at me and said, no. It didn't affect you. because the person was so it was young you were both young it's hard to explain

because you looked at me like wait wait what are you saying what I'm saying was they weren't old enough to think they were a teenager I was young we were

similar in age it was you know but I felt like I was like but this was still wrong this was still something that I blocked out for many many years

and then I told him about it and I really wanted him to tell me yeah you're fucked up because of this and he said you're not it didn't affect you well wait wait wait but this but that's a that's a big statement well it's a big statement but it's also a big spectrum like you might you might not you might not be fucked up by it

but i i'm sorry i don't agree that you weren't affected every single thing that happens in our day affects us what i'm saying is how old was the person that you know i mean i think that that kid was like two years older so it was a seven and a five year old so something like i think what my therapist was saying it was an exploration it was more of like well yeah not on my behalf i didn't want to explore yeah yeah but that's the thing though is that i think that this kid i mean i i think that his

looking back on it with the with the now the the mind that i have and the heart that i have and the understanding that i have throughout my life clearly that kid was being molested by somebody in his life. The way that all of that went down and the way that how it affected me then even after that, like, yes, sure. At young ages, kids are exploring and doing things and that's totally understandable.

I'm not, it wasn't, I don't feel like it was an adult, you know, being a predator on me. Right. And by the way, and I never even judged the kid, But my mom freaked out. See, nobody knew about this. Oh, yeah, yeah. Nobody knew about this.

Yeah, so there was all kinds of effects. I mean, even if nobody knew about it, it still would have an effect on. And when I say I blocked it out, I just didn't think anything was like, I was so young that I didn't think anything was wrong with it. So all of a sudden, I'm like 30. One day, I just go, hey, that happened. Yeah, that happened. Wait a minute. That happened.

Wow. Why do I remember that now? it was the craziest fucking thing I mean and do you think you were affected or do you oh I definitely definitely was affected I mean that compounded by all of the other issues that I was going through and held and carried throughout my childhood

and having a psychologically abusive mom because she was psychologically abused and all of the ways that that manifested in my life as a kid and with my sisters and my stepdad who was also an abused he guaranteed he was abused when he was grown growing up and then he became an abusive person when he was older. And I wouldn't change any of it at all because now I'm on the other side of it and can look back on it and actually appreciate

the fact that it brought me to being healthy or in a journey of being. I'm not saying I'm completely absolved and this is all good. And I'm like, you know, whatever thing, level nine or whatever. I'm just saying I've now gotten to the other side of what that darkness that wanted to kill me was doing. And I was able to pierce through and love of friends and family and the tools that I learned in all that therapy to get through that darkness. And then from the other side of the darkness, be able to look back and go, oh, yeah, shit, yeah, all that happened. And all of it led me to hear. And I'm grateful for all of that stuff that led me to here because now on this side, I get to talk about all that. Now we get to talk about that. Now we get to be a testimony to

what that darkness was and how that darkness wanted to take us down and how we can get through that. And hopefully, hopefully there are people out there. And, and, not even hopefully i know that they are because i'm i've seen the tweets that we're both added on of the people who listened to our last podcast and it resonated so it's unbelievable i mean so much to me that because i had no idea and you i know it yeah it's like yeah man i think that's why you're back that's why it's like you know i wanted you to come back because there was a connection there's a connection with the audience where it just feels like it's just it's two guys talking about real shit and like you know we're not thinking about what we're saying but that's your podcast in

general everybody i try i try to do that i try to i mean bro i've listened to many of your episodes christin bell doc shepherd tofer grace you allow people a safe space to talk about their lives and i i think that's a really i mean look part of it is you're you're one of us you know what i mean it's like you understand you're going to be able to like any great you know it's like jimmy phallon or james cordon or you know they've been on they're they understand that side they're trying to make it a place that's safe where you can talk about shit unfortunately for them and fortunately for you you're doing a podcast

that's literally called inside of you so you get to we get to drop and they have farms and get real and they have seven minutes seven minutes and it's anecdotes middle America's watching and they can't be dirty

but look you know when you talk about your darkness and we've talked about it when you say you were solo when you did all these things and you went to you went to a place yeah yeah you went to a place that saved your life. And I don't think we talked about that, did we? Um, I don't know how, no, I don't, I don't think we probably got into much of the detail of that. But yeah, essentially, how low?

Like when I'm saying low, was it like, is that you look in a mirror and you're like, I don't like you and I want to jump off a bridge. That was, well, that I don't like you was most of the time. Yeah, I think that most of my life. I, I didn't realize that that was abnormal until I went to therapy until somebody, until one of my therapists was like, I was talking about the various things that I was upset with about myself and where I felt like it was a fail year. I mean, basically I ended up in all of that because I thought I was completely failing my life and all of the blessings I had been given and the position I've been given in the platform and the privilege and I should have accomplished more.

I hadn't accomplished more. I was on the outside looking in and I would always be on the outside looking in and given all of this opportunity and possibility and I failed it. And no matter all of the things. You always felt like a failure? Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, pretty much because, and again, I didn't understand this until I went through therapy where you look back through all of the mental illness.

You look and you go, oh, oh, whoa, that's why I felt like a failure. That's why I would shit all over myself when I would do the smallest thing that I thought was the wrong thing. and I, by the way, would take forever to even make a decision a lot of the time because I became very accustomed to growing up in my household. My mom was a borderline personality, borderline personality with narcissistic tendencies. My mom needed, she was so bereft of her own self-love and self-worth and had no idea how to feel it other than to try to extract it out of other people, and often that came down to being abusive because if you could

if you could thrash and hurt then people go oh you must be really hurt oh let me and now I'll come love you now I'll come love you and then when you learn that's how you get love now it's manipulative maybe one hondo bro like totes one hondo it's that

but but they don't even but they don't even know it right so my mom as a borderline personality borderline personalities are it's like if they're in a good mood nothing can go wrong and if they're in a bad mood

nothing can go right let's say you know these are just kind of very gross general examples but if I were to talk my mom and she's like oh yeah you want to bring home bring food home for us to eat tonight cool great anything in particular

no you know just grab whatever and that was at let's say 3 p.m. Then by 7 p.m. if I showed up with Chinese and she was in a bad mood or not in a good place it was you fucking like why would you bring China why this is the stupid you know it was nothing but

you failed you failed you failed and by the way my stepdad Jesus was not a borderland personality but my stepdad was like his father was a ein spide like like like whipped him into the life that he lived which ended up being he was like a prodigy violinist and insane guitar player and piano player still is I'm sure brilliant man he was abusive in that the standards he live under when he was growing up or the standards that he applied to me and my sisters and they were impossible impossible they were so so so high so my stepdad provided this level that was impossible to ever reach like i remember the first time i made my stepdad laugh and i was somebody who made everybody laugh because i was a spazzy fun kid who like doing urclan yes dude bro i'm telling you like we have there's a lot so many similarities yeah But I, you know, I just like to entertain people and everything.

And my stepdad was impossible to please. And I remember the first time I made him laugh. And it was like everything. It was everything. I couldn't believe that I made him laugh. And my mom was a fucking slob. And my stepdad was super OCD. That led to all kinds of tension in our house, including like us kids who learned from our mom.

And so we would leave our shoes by the front door, where we'd leave him in a place. And my stepdad would flip the fuck out, man. he would just flip out like what are these shoes doing here and all that you know and these are us three kids who are growing up in this house that by the way you know just for for the record just to throw it out there i think that stepdad's can tend to be or at least up to this point in history get a really fucking rough job because you end up being called in to support a family that oftentimes you don't even have a say in you know the kids are going to run back to mom and say i don't want to do what this new guy's telling me to do?

And then the mom's being maternal want to protect their kids. And my stepdad, like, his situation was untenable. It was gnarly. But regardless, no excuse to his behavior. But, you know, he was a, he was an agro guy because he was so high wound. Like, he was an architect and an audio engineer and a crazy, incredible musician and all the, like, he was brilliant as was my mom. But my mom was brilliant in all these other ways and was also, like, completely, a mess in her heart and in her head and didn't realize it.

And I had untenable, like, never going to reach heights bars that my stepdad set. And then I had untenable because it's a moving target bar from my mom. You don't know if bringing Chinese home is going to make her happy or piss her off, depending on the mood that she's going to be in when you get home. And this all got worse and worse and worse as we get older. And so you think like when you got a, uh let's say you watched uh obviously not now you're you're you're you're better you're you're been working on yourself oh man oh man yeah well the last year and a half to save my life

well okay so let's say rewind to right before you the last year and a half sure and you're watching an episode of chuck or you're watching an episode of something you've been in or whatever can you look at yourself then go you god look how great you are did you feel like you're over compensating with aren't i great aren't i great were you like that at all because i felt like i was like that for a long time like what you think would you think dad would you think that would you think that because my mom was sort of like that where she was like aren't i good writer am i pretty am i pretty and my dad was like finally he got to be passive aggressive where he was like yeah you're so pretty july yeah we all

think you're so pretty because he was pushed to like it was like a colander my therapist said where it's like water goes through a colander yeah what i mean it just keeps going through so she never this sustainability of uh of like her worth her worth and i think that i i dealt with that And I've dealt with that a lot. I think I still do, but I've been working on that. Well, but following up on that metaphor, and this is why self-love is so important. It's, I think, maybe the most important thing. I think all of mental health can be rooted to starting at least in part by some deficit

in someone's understanding of themselves and love of themselves and worth of themselves. When we can know love and appreciate and be patient with ourselves, that's when we quite literally fill all the holes of that colander and make it a bowl. And then when people are being genuinely kind and loving and supportive, it's not just going through us. We can receive it. You can hold it. You can believe it because you already believe it yourself to begin with. Do you hear this, Tyler? he's pretty bright like he could be he could be a therapist i appreciate all that but if you're out

there looking for professional help go and seek professional help inside of you is a place for us to talk to you and point you to that and the things we talk about here what helps us yeah 100 what it helps us might not help you but yeah it might make you understand that you're not alone that's the most important thing exactly that's the most important and and zach um Which comes to my next question. Which brings us to you next guy. I had tequila. Say it.

Just say it. I think you and I have both had, and look, we can edit this if you want. I think this is just honest. No, you're a good looking guy. You've been out with many women over the course of your life. You've had relationships. I have, you're better looking than me, but I've also had relationships. I've been, I've been, what are you nodding your fucking head, Tyler?

It's true. Yep, it's true. But I mean, I have the potential. I have to darken on my hair, get a little buff. No, but what I'm saying is, you stupid. So I can't, like, people look at me and they go, why are you single? And I look at you and I go, why are you single, Zach? And do you think maybe more than ever that you are ready to finally, like to be?

Because look, I know you answer that question. And then I want to ask you another question. I'll tell you when I know that I'm ready. Okay. I'll tell you when I'll know for sure that I'm ready for that relationship. What woman are you looking for? No, no. That doesn't matter.

Well, no, it does matter, but the area of my life that I've always struggled with, always doubted, was always like, I don't know that it's going to happen was my love life. I always was like, you know, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my dad married my mom, they divorced. My dad never even dated another woman after my mom. My dad is still a just rolling solo dude, never dates women. He's also an interesting cat in his own right. And my two uncles who grew up with my mom under my grandma, who psychologically. abused all of them those two bachelors pretty much lifelong my one uncle tim he got married for a hot second it was very similar to kind of what happened with me and my ex-wife and that didn't work and they parted ways and they've tried mike that mike and tima both tried but the the abuse that they suffered literally under my grandma was gnarly and particularly how it affects their ability to then go and relate in relationships as as I was afraid that it was doing the same thing to me and it was doing were you because you were comparing everything every red flag to oh that reminds me my mother no that it wasn't that no no no no I don't think it's that obvious I I think you know

Carl Young was kind of the first I believe to really tap into the concept that we marry our parents you might think that you're like oh that reminds me my parent I'm I'm gonna veer away from that you're not you're you're unless you do the work the deep healing work in you you are going to be attracted to qualities to a to a relationship that you feel like you need to satisfy you need to fix you need to make whole and when we have jesus broken relationships with our parents particularly guys to their moms and girls to their dads that's why you have mommy issues and daddy issues and all that kind of stuff and why you attract what you should not be attracting and why that person is attracting you when they shouldn't be attracting you all of that

is tied. All of that is tied to that, bro. Yeah, all of that's tied to that. So where are you? So there are a lot of reasons. Well, okay, so there are a lot of reasons why I had a lot of doubt in all that. Then I went and did the most important work I ever could have done in my life, which was loving myself, learning to love myself, learning to truly understand the depths of who I was, to forgive myself, to allow myself to have aired so many times in my life knowing that that wasn't because I ever. meant to it was because I got bad fucking programming man this is what we get we have got to accept

the fact that you get a certain operating system downloaded into you throughout your life and you we have to accept that you know what we all need a fucking update all of us some people only need like you're at like version 4.5 and you need to go to 5.0 so you might be you never know you never know but that's what good therapy helps us to do to re-program what is fucked up. Going back to the aluminum can. You start as a nice, smooth, undented aluminum can when you're born. And throughout your life, you're just getting dinged and dinged and dented and dented.

You're still there. You're the can. But look at how mangled you are. That's your ego holding you and protecting you through all that time. And what we need to do is literally just stomp on that aluminum can and throw it in the recycling bin because that's the ego that's there to help you survive and you don't need it anymore. now what you need to do is go and actually be in touch with who you really are and love who you really are and accept who you really are before it's too late my mom yeah it was too late from my mom before she passed away

but having done all well continuing to do all of that it's a lifelong process you're never out of it nor should we be you should always be in touch with where you're at in your heart and your mind and your body and you should always be valuing it and you should always be working toward being i believe the healthiest, strongest, most efficacious version of who you can be in this world to make it a better place. And if we all do that, it's going to be super fucking groovy, I promise you. But to be able to do that work and continue to do that work. And on the other side of that now, I think I'm finally in a place where I'm not genuinely worried about my romantic life anymore. And I believe that I will be ready.

I'll know that I'm ready. When she presents. As soon as it. I know that I've met her. But he or she has presented. In my case, she, but yes, in other people's situations, I just didn't want to assume that. It's totally fine, fine. We're in a world where we can be.

I know. You know, it is. But as a heterosexual man, it's. Okay, so you are heterosexual. We've got them. Because I was thinking about it right now, I was like, Zach, maybe I'm the one. I mean, you were looking at me longingly. Well, Tyler.

Michael does ask every guest this question, though, when they come on. What? He definitely needs. Well, you just definitely need to confirm everybody's sexuality and you have like a chart, you know, that you keep, it's kind of disturbing a little bit. No. No. Who do I think is who have I thought was gay? Well, I was joking.

Oh, okay. Yeah. But everybody thought I was gay for a very long time. In fact, a lot still do. A lot of people, a lot of people think that about a lot of people. I mean. It's fine. I'm comfortable with my sexuality.

That's one thing I'm comfortable with my sexuality. But, you know, I don't get weirded out by stuff like that. And I think I do, I do look back. And I go, you know what, thanks, mom. One of the few things I will thank you for. For just like she was never homophobic. She had a gay friend who had AIDS, who we didn't even know what that was back then, who worked at the grocery store.

She had an African-American friend in this little southern town. She was very liberal. She was pro-choice. She was just like, and all these things that were maybe seemed embarrassing at the time because everybody else was looking at her like. Embarrassing to whom? To her? Well, no, like people around like,

Like your mother, like to me in high school. Oh, embarrassing to you. Your mother's liberal. She's pro choice. She's this. She's that. I'm like, oh my God, mom, shut up. Stop writing articles.

But like, those are the things that I do look back and I go, well, thank God. I had that upbringing where my parents were liberal like that. Yeah, yeah. Where we learn to love. Like, I know it sounds so fucking hippie-dippy trite, but like all you need is love. Like, love is all you need, bro. Like, for real, for real. And I'm not saying.

I'm not saying on a technical level, that's true, but on a kind of broad philosophical level, I really do think it's true. I think that if we can genuinely, if we genuinely can learn to love ourselves first and foremost to see ourselves in a mirror, to accept ourselves for who exactly we are in this moment right now, not being affected by the social paradigms and pressures and comparisons sins and all of the things that fuck us up on a regular basis, particularly when it comes on social media. And we can finally just say, none of that has any bearing on my worth as a human being.

My worth as a human being is dictated quite literally by the fact that I am. I exist. I am here. Life itself, going back to something you were saying earlier, dude, I think that what we need to do, I want to create a new baseline of what is agreed upon truth. and agreed upon philosophy as we move forward as a people, the baseline ought to be, now that we live in a world that's completely connected by the internet, by news, by television, by satellites, by travel, by all of it.

We don't live in a world that's all segmented and disparate. We don't live in the 1300s where the people in Europe had no idea that China even existed until Genghis, or rather Genghis, because that's how you pronounce his name as I came to find out. in another podcast called Hardcore History. But Jenghis Khan going and literally dominating the, making the Mongolian Empire, and then somebody like Marco Polo going, what's going on over?

There's people over there? Like, that wasn't that long ago in the course of human history, right? And now we live in a world where we're all connected, whether we like it or not, which means we can all galvanize to start fighting for what is and should be baseline fucking truth. if we don't do that we're not going to make it if we do do that you know when um people talk to you and they say adage is like god doesn't give you more than you can handle you know what i'm talking

about like stuff like that which by the way i i fully believe in and uh case in point i wasn't able to handle a blessing like shazam until i went and did the very very could you have handled you would not have been able to handle it no i don't i i believe no because i think that's part of the reason why i hadn't been given that opportunity i really do believe that that was God. Wow. Protecting me from me. You know, unless you've worked out enough and gotten strong enough and healthy enough,

you can't go lift certain amounts of weight. You could say, yeah, give me, give me, put fucking 200 pounds on this thing. And all of a sudden you're, you'll fail if you're not preparing. You're crushing, you're crushing, mentally, emotionally, physically, all of it, all of it. Going and getting the healing that I got in my heart, 100% without any question in my head, my, or in my heart, Shazam came from that, from going and doing that. that work and healing myself so that I could then go and be a more complete person to go and create that character and go champion the movie on the press tour and all of it you did this

last time you came on what you did that well you say something so profound and it makes me think I need to do what Zach did he's figured it out even though you're figuring it out I know you don't want to take all the credit like I'm thinking look we're all figuring it out but I think there's definitely that feeling for me that I need to go before I could be the best person I could possibly be, I need to really love myself. I need to really find out, you know, because look, I do think I can be a great person at times.

I think I, I think I innately am a good person. I think, you know, do I say the right thing all the time? Am I patient? I'm not very patient all the time. Do I, you know, I'm very thoughtful, but sometimes I can't be. I'm impatient. There's all these things. I said, you have to, hey, Michael, you have to forgive yourself.

You have to accept yourself. You have to give yourself a break. I know. None of us is conditioned to do that. How do you do that? How do you give yourself a break? You did. By acknowledging that you are of worth.

But how do you do that? Well. You went somewhere. I went somewhere and I got literally all of the things that I talked about before. And it was an exorbitant. amount of therapy of uh yeah but also like stupid expensive and something that somebody like only in a position positions like ourselves are able to afford which quite honestly i left something like that and i i've recently bought we've talked about this i bought this property out in texas

to go build a film studio that's also kind of a resort or whatever i don't know it's going to be a commune i don't know what i don't know what it's going to be ultimately but you're welcome anytime You will, I'll be there. But one of the things that I left that therapy with was, oh, yeah, this isn't fair to get healing, at least where I got it, in a place that is unattainable for most people. So what I want to do, I was so empowered. Like I leave it there. I was like, fantastic. I've got 75 acres in Texas where I'm going to go build these festival grounds.

And I want to create a place where we have literally just deep, therapeutic, spiritual retreats where people can come and get healed and go live better. lives. Dude, if I do nothing else in my life, but invest in the futures and the hearts and the minds and the lives of other people to give them a better opportunity to go live better lives and go make the world a better place, I'll be fine. I'll be happy. I love that I get to do what I do. I love that God has given me such an incredible platform to go and do all the things that I get to do. And I love being an actor. I love entertaining. I love making people laugh and bringing joy to Shazam.

What an incredible thing. It's done doing well and the reviews are good. But more than all of that is looking at the responses that I see on social media where people say, I have not had that much fun in the movies, in a movie theater in years. I feel joy. And I go, fuck, yes. This is one of the biggest reasons I got into what we even do to go and bring joy. But more than that, if I really want to bring joy, if I can go help people heal,

then they can really feel joy. Then they can really feel love. When we can love ourselves, then we can really go love other people. When we can take care of our situation, get the healing that we need to get, then we can really help other people heal. And if we've done the work for us on us and healed in that same way that then I think the blessings and those other things can come to us as a people. If we can, I think the same paradigm might also apply to us as quite literally the human race. If as a human race, we can come together and we can figure this shit out and we can stop hating each other and stop dehumanizing each other and seeing each other and loving each other and seeing the life that is across from us in the eyes of

somebody who might have been your mortal enemy before, but you've realized they just, we didn't know better. We didn't know better. We have to collectively forgive, and if we can do that and we can start moving forward, bro, it's Star Trek next generation. We're literally going to be spaceships warp drive. We're going to have replicators. We're going to have holodecks. We're going to be visiting other planets. It's going to be bomb as fuck because I think that's when we as a people show we're able to handle the new cool shit let's have the new cool shit we can't handle the new cool shit right now did you did you see bob lazar the documentary on bob lazar no that's just cool on aliens and shit if you listen to things and just try to be an honest a better person

and you made me want to be a better person so listening to you i i start to think my mind starts to wander i think i want to go to this ranch yes but by the way um and if i could afford the place you went to before i do need to do that because i think i need to take i need to take a little time because look things are always knock on wood i feel like you know people always like how you know how you do what are you up to and i think that's always the big question where you're always concerned about the answer you're like oh i have to say that i'm doing so much and i do feel like i do a lot i'm always writing i'm always doing these things but you know i think that i keep so busy with so much in my life that I don't focus on those really important things like myself because I fly to my

see my grandfather who's declining from Alzheimer's to say the least and I fly out there I'm going there every two months to see them and I talk to my sister all the time and you know I know she had a rough childhood too and you know I'm always there and I feel like but I think it's time that and I'm speaking for all of us out there is to take care of yourself take care of yourself take care, even if it's a day a week or a month or a weekend, I think I need to just learn to be really alone, really learn to be at one with myself. And then you're right. I think, and look, it's, I'm not saying this because the incentive is like, because I want to be in Shazam too. Also, it's because I think I want success on all levels. I want success. I want a relationship that's

successful. I want, I want to have, you know, I have great friends. I just want to be a better friend, a better person. I think that's why I did the podcast, but I think I also need to work on, you know, myself. Well, look, I, I, I love that this is where we're, we're kind of circling back to because this is where we started. And you were talking about, we were talking about hosting and, you know, girlfriends, me, like, you always want to hang out with everybody else and blah, blah, blah. And, you know, what does that say about you? There are, there are myriad things that it says about you or could be saying about you, some of those things 100% are indicative of needing to love yourself more so that you don't feel the need

to be around others or have those other outlets that are feeding your self-worth, that we, particularly as outgoing people who are in the arts and also have a love and a lust, for life and for hosting and gathering people. All of those things can get pretty blurry sometimes, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, bro. We're all meant to do different things in this world. That's one, going back to the Enneagram, that's one of the beautiful things I love about it

is that it really lays out a lot of that. We serve society. We serve each other in different ways. We can't all be this personality type or that personality type. We're only going to, it'll be a boring world. We all have different personality types, I believe, for very specific reasons. And so if you feel compelled, like, beyond the need to, you know, and it's, and again,

it gets gray, but you can figure it out. And you're an enlightened enough person and has gone therapy long enough that you know when you're doing something, you're like, I'm, I'm trying to fill. People pleaser or. I'm trying to fill something. Yeah. But you also know the joy that you bring when you bring people together and you all. offer a safe space for them to enjoy life in a way that they might not otherwise.

That is a gift. Don't ever let that shit go. Not everybody is given the opportunity to go and bring joy to other people. And that joy to me is one of the most valuable currencies that we can ever have and trade in in our lives. If we can go bring joy to people, if we have a place to gather in, not everybody owns a home, not everybody has a big enough place to gather 20 or more people, have barbecues, have get-togethers, host birthday parties.

My neighbors hated me in Studio City because I loved hosting people. I just loved hosting people. People needed a place for a birthday. Come have a birthday in my place. You want to, it's an anniversary. Come at anniversary. We're hanging out on the weekend. Hang out on the weekend.

We had to have poker and out of money, like all that stuff. And I don't regret any of it. Was I using some of that to cover my own deficit of self-worth? For sure, 100%. And that is where you don't. don't do something if it's affecting your growth. That was affecting my growth. But you don't just give up something. If it's not affecting your, if you're, if you know that you're continuing to grow and become a better, wiser, stronger, healthier, more enlightened person that can do

more good in the world and still balance the giftings that you've been given as a person, which have hosting included in them and hospitality in them and fun in them. Yeah. People, People need fun bringers. I love being a fun bringer. I love hosting dance parties. By the way, what saddens me is, A, this has been an interview, but like, I don't think we could go to dinner now because we're passing that threshold. That's okay.

You know, but I want to, no, I want to go with you, but I think you're, you got things going on. But listen, I want to say this. Does anybody, have they started writing Shazam too? Yeah, they're starting, they're doing it now. Is that already known? I mean, it was announced on, it was announced. I should have known that.

The interwebs, yeah, that. Are you going to be. I couldn't even say that I don't know man I mean honestly I think Did you have a deal where it's like You already know how much money You're gonna get in the second one

If it becomes a success Well there's guidelines There's rough guidelines I want five million This made a hundred million already More than that Oh yeah internationally yeah more than that You got you folks gotta go see it

Look everybody probably listening Has seen it but you know I hope everybody does Honestly I I know that getting up and going to the movie theaters is a joy is it no fuck chore i love it if the movie's good yeah but you're not married and you don't have kids and you don't have to get a sitter and there's a lot of things that go on there's a lot of things to go on and so i'm saying i know that for not for everybody not it's not the easiest thing for everybody to do what i would say and i know

i'm biased clearly because i'm shazam in shazam but i i really believe that it is a movie that brings legitimate joy absolutely and if you want to feel that and I think we all need to feel that particularly now more than ever in some ways it's worth the time it's worth the money and it's worth seeing in a theater because you get the amplified crowd energy with that and with a joyous experience that makes the joy like times 10 yeah it's it's an even more like genuinely more joyous experience than if you just sit at home i i tested for the or not or tested but I read for the Adam Brody part. I didn't do well.

You know, that's the role that I originally auditioned for that they saw and then said, we think you're our Shazam. Really? I read for... Yeah, I didn't get any thought for any other characters.

That was it. But Peter Saffrin promised me he's going to try and get me in the second one. I know some people in that movie. Yeah, yeah. I know you. Well, I don't know that we know each other,

but... Dude, this has been an honest-to-god tree. It always is. It just goes on and on about like... No, I can't stop talking about it. No, but it's life, man. Mental health is no. important thing we can be talking about right now.

You know, I'm going to email you tomorrow. Yes. That's the thing. We all deal with the same shit in different ways. Yeah, totally. So we just have to all help each other. Which means we're not alone. Great messages.

The messages, we're not alone. You're not alone. I love you, Zach. I love it. What else you got going on the magnificent Madam Weiselle? What was it called? What the fuck was I love? I watched it.

The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Oh, my God. You know, I don't know how you did some of those oneers, man. How did you learn your lines? It was gnarly. A oneer's like, you know, four minutes of straight lines, bro. Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. It was amazing.

It was an incredible challenge, and I think Amy Sherman Palladino and Dan Palladino and Rachel Brosnahan and I was Forstein and Tony Shalub and Kevin Pollock and I mean, it's just a tremendous and all the department heads, all of the producers, everybody. It's a delight of a show that I got to slip into their jet stream and literally grab a SAG award on the way out. Like it was just stunning. Look, you'll come back and interview me within the next year. 100% I love it Tyler did you have a good time for sure thank you Zach Levi for

allow me once again to be inside of you oh man once again oh yeah felt even better the second it really did it really did I have so much more I want to hear from you so enlightening thank you season is here. Oh, man. Believe has the podcast to enhance your football experience. From the pros. One of the most interesting quarterback rooms. To college.

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