Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Brandon Cutler on how AEW changed his life, Being the Elite, The Young Bucks

Episode Date: July 8, 2019

Brandon Cutler chats with Chris Van Vliet at Florida Supercon in Miami Beach, FL. Brandon talks about how working with The Young Bucks on Being the Elite led to a job that changed his life. He says he is now able to provide for his wife and two children because of the opportunity he was given, he also talks about how the landscape of wrestling has changed since he started as an indy wrestler, what went right and what went wrong in the Double or Nothing Battle Royale and much more! Audio equipment provided by Samson Technologies: bit.ly/CVVSamson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Brandon Cutler is. Chances are that his story has made you a little bit emotional before, you know, the episode where the Young Bucks offered him a contract. One of those situations where it's like, I'm not crying. It's the allergies. It's really dusty this time of year. So Brandon does a great job of diving into this story. But in a nutshell, basically he left wrestling.

It was his dream to be a pro wrestler. He left wrestling for seven years, came back, was traveling. with his childhood best friends, the young bucks, was shooting being the elite for them. And when they started up AEW, kind of their way of saying thank you to him was by offering him a job, offering him a job, not just as a wrestler,

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Thank you for having me. Yeah, like, and you're usually often on the other side of the camera, too. Yeah, yeah. On the bucks I was on the other side. Yeah, and not everybody knows this, that you're like one of the main people shooting stuff on being the elite. Yeah, yeah, I counted, I did that actually on the firefight,

behind the scenes one. I counted how many shots there were. There was like 20-something, and I think 18 or 19 of the end. those shots were filmed by me. Oh, wow. Because I was just curious of like, I'd watch the episode and I'd be like, oh, I shot that. Oh, I shot that too.

I shot that also. That one I didn't shoot, though. And then I just was like, I wonder how many shots I would do in a normal episode. So I counted that one. But I'm like, oh, yeah. So it's like, you know, 75% of stuff like that. It's the Bucks is creative ideas, but then they'll task me to be like, oh, get this shot for us kind of thing.

Yeah. And I'll just carry it out for them. If we take it back to the beginning, how did this even start for you, getting to know the young bucks and you know now getting to travel around with them yeah we we grew up together in the same town and they were the kids with the backyard ring and so like you know just being i think i met them when i was 11 or 12 or something and so just hearing that in our town of like oh they have a are you ring in their backyard you know they're the they're the stars in the city yeah of course that's how we met and like you know our love of wrestling just like you know

kept us friends for all these years and stuff but like getting to help with uh the behind the scenes with being the elite and stuff was just always hanging out with them like uh if we're we'd be on a show or something or like if I was like, okay, I just tag along with you guys and like just hang out because they're all so busy. We don't get to hang out outside of wrestling. So like that's kind of an excuse for us to hang out as like, let me just go to you guys show with you and then like I'll just help with whatever you need help with. And it would usually just be that of like, oh, you guys need that shot here. I'll film it for you or something, which, you know, a lot of times would be Flip back before when they were in

ROH. Yeah. It'd be Flip Gordon doing that for them kind of a thing. So it was like now that they're out of ROH, like I just kind of took flips like behind the scenes shot. now that they're out of ROH and you know obviously making good money with AEW are you worried they're going to bring in a production crew Not not necessarily to replace me at all or anything Not to replace you but like on the weekly TV It's going to be like a whole production crew kind of a thing Sure, but being the elite could be shot with like you know Canon

You know seven Ds and like edited by you know All stuff that I'll never be familiar with as much as ever since I got this job I've been flooded with like oh you guys should switch to this now you guys should get this or this is a cool thing and I'm like I don't think I'll ever learn that. I think the charm of being the elite is that it's shot on a cell phone, honestly. Like that's what is nice. And then it's it's so convenient too because I mean, we'll do a weekend like loop or something. And like Nick's editing it on that tour and he wants to have it up Monday morning like California time.

Like 10 o'clock California time. And so like that means we need to get all that content we shot to Nick. And so when it's on these high-deaf cameras or anything, any shots we do happen to get with one of those. Like Nick hates it. It's like, oh, it takes so long to upload or download. So it's the ease of the phone is what makes this a weekly show, honestly. That's why we can crank it out. It's the exact same reason that I shoot on an iPhone.

Yeah, I actually got a behind the scenes shot of. You guys are set up too. Don't tell anyone. Honestly, the reason that I shoot on the iPhone is because most cameras won't allow you to shoot for 30, 40, 50, 60 minutes. They'll shut off. The insane amount of memory. Oh, my God. You know, I can take this off my phone.

This interview will be three, four, five gigabytes. it's easy. If this was shot on one of those other cameras, spend all day trying to get it off there. And that's what I think people don't see is the, like, guys, this needs to just be easy and accessible. And that's why I can get pumped out weekly. Because if it was the other way,

it's already like somewhat stressful of like almost every week, Nick's like, I don't know if I'm going to edit this in time. Like I might just have to do it like Monday night upload or Tuesday. He says that more often than not. And we're always like, well, that's fine. Like, you know, we don't have any. It's not like where some corporate head is like, you need that out on Monday or something.

It's more just our, like, commitment of, like, we want it out by Monday. It's always been Monday. And, like, I always trying to show him, like, it's fine if it comes out on Tuesday, one week. And he's on, no, I need it Monday. Like, even if a lot of times he's, like, at the airport, if they don't have good Wi-Fi is all.

I have to upload it before we even go to the airport then. Like, I have to upload it at the hotel. And then, like, at the airport, I could just switch it to public or something. It's a lot of that where there's so much of, like, guys, if we filmed on these expensive cameras, it would be like a once-a-month episode. then because it would be like, God, that just was agonizing to upload. I feel all this pain as a fellow YouTuber.

I feel it all. Does Nick not realize someone else could edit this? He's talked about it of like, oh, man, like eventually maybe I'll have to just like offload it to someone else of like maybe it is we get like a camera crew and we just tell them what we want shot or like they get the shots or something. Like that's still like maybe something that they got on the table, especially if we go to TV and they got a right weekly TV and then maybe weekly BTE. Yeah.

And then they're like, well, I don't want to shoot. That's where I kind of come in and help knock out all those things of like, I'll have a list of shots we want to get over the weekend. And I'll just try and get them all. Because they got enough that they're worrying about. Yeah. And so it's a lot of times like that. And I can imagine maybe it might become like, I'll just give it to that production team. Let them go shoot all these shots or something.

Like maybe I'll just help direct everyone or something. But it's possible. But like I feel like the charm is that it's shot with a phone. Like if we had those big cameras, we can't do like these airport shots or like while we're driving or just like when we get a bit. and we're like, oh, we have the time right now. Let's just shoot it. Yeah. Oh, but the production team's not here.

We got to wait for them to cut, like, right? Like, it's what it is because it's stayed how it is. It's not, we can't really change a lot of that without it. Because then it would lose its touch. It would lose its feel. If we had, like, those nice shots, like, on road to that series, it would be like, oh, well, this is just that then. And it won't feel like, oh, no, it's being the elite.

It's like, you know, they're at a diner and they could just be goofs for a minute and have a little montage of us doing something dumb. Yeah, that's what it is. We need the cell phone to just pop out and just capture this moment real quick. And that's the crazy thing about the world we live in now. Even 10 years ago, we couldn't have done this. Yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, I grew up in if I wanted my parents to, like, tape my hockey game or, like, my school concert, like, we had to borrow the neighbor's camcorder.

It was all on. I've seen back when we did all that backyard, and we've gone through it all where it was you actually put a full-on VHS in the camcorder. Then they made the micro ones that you couldn't put those in there. But then you have to put those in the. to the adapter, so then you can put it in your VCR, all of it, the CDs when they came out those discs and stuff, yeah, we've gone through kind of all those different camera, like, timelines, yeah. And then now it's just all on a cell phone that it's crazy.

It's like 4K quality, too. What's your official title with AEW? So I have two, I have just as a talent, like, you know, all the other wrestlers, and then the official other one is the executive producer of content. That's a very fancy title. It sounds amazing, right? Yeah. Do you have a business card?

No. But yeah, it sounds like anything with executive in it is immediately, oh, I'm like the head of something kind of the thing. But like, yeah, I've heard that, you know, in a lot of other film things of like, oh, producer of content or like if you're on a show, it really just means like you make content. You make some products kind of a thing. And so that's all it is. It's exactly like I was saying is like they'll task me with something to shoot. I just go shoot it kind of a thing. Like I'm producing that kind of a thing.

I'm making that happen. Are you also create? Like, are you the one coming up with the ideas sometimes too? Well, most of the time it's, they'll have the big grand idea and then I just help fine tune it or mold it or build on it kind of a thing. I haven't had too many where it's just straight from my head and then, like, I've had a couple where it's like from my head and then it's like, oh, they liked it. Like, let's run with that kind of thing. I more like it, they got enough creative heads going. Like, I don't want to make it too many cooks in the kitchen.

So I kind of know my place of like, just step back, let them come up with stuff and just help them with it, build on it. You know, perfect the way somebody says something of like, oh, they want to get that across. What if he says it that? Because it also ties into the last week we did too. So I'll just help, like, fine-tune everything is usually what I do. But it's July as we, you know, put this up right now. TV's coming, you know, in the next couple months. Things could get really busy.

Yeah. Your plate could start to get very full with tasks. Oh, I can see that easily because just even at Fighter Fest with how insanely busy they were, there was just there happened to be chalkboards in all the dressing rooms. And so in their chalkboard, in their dressing room, and the EVPs one, I just wrote all the stuff they wanted me to shoot on there. And as I'd shoot it, I'd come. back into the room and cross it out and then go to get like you know whenever I could get somebody else

for this shot I'd go get that um so I could easily see like that becoming like a thing of not necessarily all just having a list like that but I have it even on my phone of like stuff to get shot that we've talked about beforehand and then like during the weekend Matt'll say hey add this to your list like get this shot with this person and so I'll add that and I'll be like okay I'll get that with this person yeah yeah so I can see that easily becoming on TV of like they'll have so much that they'll probably give me a pre like you know a list of like hey we you know we got this stuff or like it might be as simple as like we need an SCU bit just put that in your list of like we need something with them like it's not even fleshed out and then I'll go up to them be like

all right what do you guys kind of want to do like we we definitely need a SU bit and then like it'll just be it's usually collaborative is the nice thing of like even if it isn't the heads coming up with it it'll be that of like we just want to incorporate this person this week I'll go up to them be like what do you guys want to like kind of do or like or they had this idea that they want you guys to do like a reunion SCU bit or something like that again because you guys haven't done one in a while and then that's all them that comes up It's not like we're feeding them any of that. It's like, we just want you guys to do that again kind of a thing.

And then that's all their brainchild after that kind of a thing. And that's that raw creativeness of like that we all have as wrestlers. That's what's nice is I think a lot of the guys feel fulfilled when they get to do that kind of stuff. Yeah. Pretty fair to say that being the elites changed your life. Oh, definitely. Yeah. My life, my wife's life, my kid's life.

Yeah. It's insane thinking about that. I mean, when you first started shooting videos on yourself, them for being the elite. How long ago was that? Uh, that was probably around all in. Because I remember when they first announced that they were going to be doing all that, I just offered my service of like, I'll fly myself out there for you guys and just help in any way you guys need it. Just as a friend, because and I just was like, and I just want to be there for the live event. Like, how awesome would that be to see live? Like history making event. Yeah. I kind of want to just also selfishly,

I just want to be there. Yeah. But like, I'll help you guys with anything you need. And I'd even know what that meant at the time. I was like, but, you know, stuff will come up that. I just need somebody. And then like that weekend, it was stuff like that of, oh, film this or like, oh, we're trying to get all the talent to meet at the hotel. Can you just go down? Because there's one of the hotels where you need like keys to get up to a certain level and so.

So it was like, can you just go down and achieve that guy, bring them up for us? It's just like an errand boy of like helping in any way I could. And like it didn't go unappreciated. Like they noticed stuff like that, which is great that like those are the ones that are in charges that they notice like how hard some people will work, even if it's these small little like a, you know, coffee runner type job. And then it would just grow more and more with each of the things they would do or like when they're at home. They're like, hey, we're going to just film this bit at our pool.

You want to come hang out? I have a pool party. And then like, you can just help us film this bit. I was, all right. It'd be like a lot of that stuff. So like that episode when they were giving me the contract, they set me up with that again. I'm like, hey, we just need to shoot some bits for like AAA. Do you want to come over and film?

And in my mind, I was like, well, Dana's there. Like, if they're filming a 30 second bitch, she doesn't want to hold the camera. But I was like, oh, I'm more than happy to. Like, and I get to just go hang out with you guys. cool and then of course when i get there it becomes that whole situation that they're offering me a contract then we're all crying yeah yeah right it was insane how many people at starcast uh starcast too would come up to me saying they're like i didn't even know who you were but like i cried from that and i looked you up ever since then and i'm like man that this bTE has a huge like power

among it that was the first time i experienced how much of a reach they have in the wrestling community Well, BTE has obviously a ton of power. YouTube has a ton of power. The pro wrestling world has a ton of power. The crazy thing is wrestling brings us all together. It does. Yeah. It's cool.

Because I mean, it's like we all grew up watching that certain style of like, you know, the attitude era or the ruthless aggression era. And like we all loved it then. We were all super fans. And I feel like this is kind of like a resurgence of that of like, oh yeah, like, you know. Because in those eras, I remember it was like everyone watched it, even if you didn't want to admit that you watched wrestling. And I feel like right now wrestling is at a point where people are kind of embarrassed to even like tell if their friends aren't into wrestling.

They're like, oh, yeah, I know that stuff or something. I used to watch that. Yeah, yeah. That's just probably the best quote is that. But like I'm looking forward to it's getting to where it's like it's cool again. It's in pop culture. Like we're at a convention where people are coming up. Like that's when you know it's starting to get like, oh, man, it's popular and cool again to say like, oh, I did watch that.

I've seen it like kind of a thing. Yeah. Who were the people that you loved as wrestlers growing up? My top two were Sting and DDP. Oh, you were WCW side. Yeah, growing up. Sting might be returning. I don't know what these rumors are.

Maybe it's just a video game rumor. I love Sting, but like, I mean, after that other one, I'm like, please no, don't do it to them. Maybe it's just a 2K, you know, rumor, I don't know. That would be cool. So you grew up with the Young Bucks, and they were obviously wrestling fans. Who did Matt and Nick Love? and you know versus who you loved uh i mean when we start getting together it was more i think

the beginning of like that ruthless aggression era more so because it was like in like 2000 2000 2001 okay and so like that was i remember in those eras when we'd really be trying to like copy everyone in the backyard ring it was when somebody said it was like the smackdown five or like the big five in smackdown was like edge and booker t and eddie guerrero where they weren't the main event guys but they were like oh they're going to have a good match for any match there and they're going to have a good match like rvd and those types and so it was a lot of those that we would all like bond together be like oh that was a great move he did there look at how they did that sequence and we'd rewatch it and stuff or we'd go

back and watch like old ECW stuff with like super crazy and stuff and like that's what we kind of like we loved that style so as i mean you see any young book match like you can definitely tell the style that they picked up yeah yeah in those eros do you have a favorite all-time match um honestly probably the young bucks versus golden lovers uh when they did that whole tag angle, that I got so emotionally involved. Like, I was getting a little teary-eyed during it. And, like, I always say that was probably the best match because it had so many aspects to it. It was great physically.

Like, the Young Buck's matches are always going to be great, like, physically of what they can do and stuff. And, like, you know, their fallies and all that. But then, like, the emotional stuff behind it, because that was the time that Matt had the whole back going on. So they were utilizing that a lot. And, you know, Matt's selling was amazing in that where he was, like, you know, selling to the point. pointed tears and stuff and Kenny was the conflicted one in the middle like that had so much to it that I was like oh my God that might be one of the best overall like if you have to like you know check off like oh it had emotion it had great falsies it had great athleticism yeah like it had everything to it

uh and you know it had hyped it wasn't just like a one off random like oh this will just be a great dream match like they've built it up on their series and stuff so I'm like I think that was kind of one of the best matches I've ever seen like you know when you look at the the overall to it and everything. Do you have a favorite match of your own that you were in? Recently, I mean, I kind of look at my career as two different things of when I was a tag team with my brother 10 years ago or so

in PWG and then now that I've been a singles person these last two years. So my favorite match now that I've had up to date is with Tyler Bateman that we had on Championship Hollywood. I feel like we really told a great story with that and then probably back in the day

it was obviously something with the Young Bucks. It's probably top three favorite matches are probably all through at the Young Bucks in different times because we had like with PWG we had like DDT4 tournament matches with them and I know one or two of them were I think my top two and then we had another match with them that's like one of the popular ones on YouTube but it was one of our last like HRW shows with them and like me and my brother in blue trunks and that that's probably one my top favorite matches too back then in the tag days and it's I mean anyone can have a good match with the Young Bucks but then it's when when you've trained with them and you got and we're doing

stuff that we never do with anyone else. Like that's why it makes it special to me. It's like, you know, we did stuff that the bucks have still today never done with anyone else because it's like, you know, when you have that level of trust with someone, you know, we're doing things where it's like, oh, man, that was really cool. I hope to ever get back into the ring with them again to maybe

try some of that stuff again or try a completely new stuff. Yeah. I get jealous of Ray Phoenix that he's, every time he's doing something crazy and new with him. I'm like, oh man, like, I remember when that was like, kind of me and my brother where it would be, usually Nick was the Ray Phoenix in the match of like doing something crazy and that it was like, oh yeah, well, it's because he trusts us to, like, base him on that or something. So, like, I see that and I'm like, oh, man, what it is to, like, you know, have a great match like that.

And, like, you know, that's what I kind of do in my singles matches now is I'm always trying to do something new rather than, like, I'll do, you know, signature moves and whatnot, but I'm always trying to do something new that I'm afraid of, of, like, whether if it's just a moonsault or something off the top or I'm like, I mean, I'm not comfortable doing it. But I feel like, as, like, a creative person, I just need to do something to just get out of my comfort zone until, become comfortable with it. Well, as a tag team wrestler yourself, how can you explain what is it about the young bucks that make them so good? They just know like the essence of what it is to like tag wrestling.

Like in a match, they utilize everything that there is of like, you know, if it's just like all the bodies that they could do, they'll utilize like, you know, as much as they get criticized for it, they do utilize like sometimes the tag format of like, you know, getting in and out of the ring and stuff. They just know what it is to make a tag match, especially in tag matches. the falsies are going to be way different than a singles match. And they've, I think, perfected that of, like, when it's believable, that it's, like, you need to take out the partner

and then hit something on the other guy to make it believable. You can't just do a big move and then, like, oh, well, the other guy's just laying over there. You didn't touch him. Like, they understand all those little bits it is to put something together where it makes it believable of, like, we'd even hit, like, our top move, but it's in such a believable way that we've wrapped this up, that we can finish it and people would be happy. And then no, it's a kickout or like it's a save or something.

So like they just know and they've been doing it for the longest of anyone. And they've been doing it well, the longest of anyone. And so like they just have all the tricks and stuff like down. They just, it's all in their head. Well, take me back to the emotional moment that everyone, you know, asked about him being the elite. The moment that choked me up, did you realize what was happening when you were reading those words? No.

So when I was reading it, I asked him ahead of time like, so does everyone got like these voiceovers or is like everyone doing and Matt like when it give me a straight answer he's like oh yeah everybody's got something different and I'm like okay well like what what are other people saying like is it something heavily gimmick or is it all we're all saying I'll be the champion I'll be the champion I'll be the champion I'll be the champion and it's just gonna be a huge montage he's oh okay and so he sent me on the couch and I kept wondering I'm like they haven't even told me what I'm gonna say Nick and nicks all right let me get the camera ready and I'm like I don't even know what I'm saying and Matt hands me the paper I'm like all right

I guess it's one of those where they just want your straight read of it. Like they want the actual emotion. So I was like, all right. They don't want it to seem like it's scripted or something. So I was like, and I asked too, I was like, so you just get audio, right? Like, I don't need to look good or anything. And nextel. Nah.

And then the way he was kind of pointing the camera at me, I was like, uh, whatever. Because I said like, you know, I just felt like I look like crap. I was like, oh, whatever if it's just audio. And so I'm reading it. And I'm like, in my head as I'm reading this, I'm like, this is so white meat, baby face. Like, it's going to look so dry. it's going to be I'm the champion or you know it's going to come out like that so that's what's going through my head as I'm reading this and then it gets to the part where it says like and I took a seven year break and I started laughing because I was like how's that supposed to like get me over of like I've been gone for seven years so I chuckled and I was like I'm just trying to reread it again to be like I don't know how I'm going to make this sound good and I think Matt was thinking I'm reading ahead to the part you know where they give it away and I'm just trying to reread it of like I got to deliver this way. better because this is like this is awful and then so Matt's like no like read it and I was like oh god

they really just want me to just straight read this so then I go through it a second time and read it all the way through and that's where I get to that line where I just break down because up until that point my wife and I were always talking about like oh maybe when they get to TV in October maybe they'll throw me a contract or something or it'll be often enough that even if I'm just doing it on like a weekly basis I'll be getting money weekly because we were financially we were doing okay like because she makes gear and stuff yeah so we were doing okay we were getting by but like we weren't like thriving kind of a thing and so we were always like counting down until like October where it'll be like okay that'll be where we'll start to make money we live in a rinky dink like 900 square foot

house with our family of four with two bedrooms and one bathroom so we're like we're kind of like we need to get out of here and she's got her work environment she's sewing in our whole in our living room our entire space is like her sewing area so for us it's like October can't come soon enough kind of a thing and I keep thinking like and I'm a nobody in wrestling in all honestly like they're gonna they, if they're going to give contracts to people to lock them down from going other places, I'm not going anywhere. Like, you know, nobody's making me other offers or anything. So, like, and they know I'm loyal to them.

Even if I got an offer, I'd just say, hey, guys, they gave me an offer. And then they'd maybe give me an offer or something. So, like, that was going through my head that whole time of like, all right, we just got to get to October. And then that they dropped that right there before they even announced the TV. They made that a big point to them. That was like, we want to get you before we even announced TV because we know we're going to get flooded with people coming to us. now that they'll realize, like, this is legit. Like, you know, we got T&T kind of a thing.

Yeah. So that meant a lot to me, too, of like, oh, my God. Like, you guys are giving money to me, like, for sure, like, locking me down on a contract. When you have so many other people that, like, that might go somewhere or that you need to save that money to, like, bring someone else in. And so that meant the world to me that they were, they were that kind. And that, like, like I said, they appreciate the work that I was doing for them to that level where they're like, no, like, we want to reward good work. It's not just, like, name value. Like, we want to, like, you've been doing.

great bias you've been with us since the beginning of this thing since the inception of it like and you've been unwavering like you've been helping us with everything so like we want to show that that goes reward it yeah and i'm like this is why you guys are like the greatest people in the world to me because like you know a person that doesn't ever need a contract like even ever because i'm just so loyal to them and they they went out of their way to make sure i got one like that and that's where i broke down because it like all that was flooding into my head uh and then just knowing my wife and i will be able to move out of that house soon and like our lives will be changed like my kids will grow up in like a situation they should be given kind of a thing it's a touching situation yeah yeah what were you

doing to get by before uh before uh in the the years that i wasn't a wrestler i was a personal trainer and so that was it was we were making about the same money that my wife was making uh with uh that now that she is making gear like in the last six months what were you doing for it was just her making gear and then i was just being an independent wrestler of like getting you know shots here and there of like some shows and stuff but it was heavy you relying on her making gear and stuff because she'd be making the bucks gear SCU's gear Cody would reach out for

a jacket or two here and there so she was just like doing these projects and like I mean the bucks get gear like every show so that was one of our heavy like all right well we can rely on that kind of a thing and is she now under contract not necessarily and under contract but they're not going elsewhere obviously

yeah and she's at this point she's got so many requests and like she can't do really any of them other than the bucks because the bucks get like new gear every show. So it's like usually the bucks and then SCU's been great too that they they constantly want some like whatever their stuff is just do it in this color or something. So they don't necessarily change up their whole look like the bucks is what usually do. But they'll just want their same stuff with just another color scheme or something. So those two have been like given us

given her so much work that she it's also she can't take on much else work other than that. And then like when Cody wants a jacket like how he had it. Double or nothing. That huge like Prince jacket. Yeah, he looked like Gaston. Yeah, that's what we were all like saying. Either that or like Beast. My daughter, as soon as she was done making it and I tried it on, my daughter was like, I want to dance with Beast. And it hit us.

We were like, oh, this is really beast. I was like, all right, well, we can't say anything because then that note, everyone will see that and they won't see anything else. I've got it wrong. Gaston's the red one. He showed me actually a couple days before Double or Nothing. I interviewed Cody in the hotel room. And he showed me, I'm like, that's Beauty and the Beast.

Yeah. He's like, yeah, I guess it is. Same. We were trying to, like, stray away from that, too, like, no. But when he comes out and in it, all the photos he's had, I'm like, he looks like a damn prince. He looks so cool in it. Then I'm like, it doesn't, when he's wearing it with the blonde hair and everything, it doesn't look like beast. It just looks like he's a freaking, he's royal.

He's royalty. Yeah. And you getting over with that being the elite segment really translated to double or nothing. Your pop was huge. Yeah, I did not expect that. Like, when we were trying to figure out, like, the order of, like, to walk out in, I was like, all we knew is like, MJF has to come out last. Like, you know, we can't start it with him walking out and they're a boo.

And then I was like, and then we can't have him in the middle because then like, whoever follows him is just going to get drowned out. And so we're like, all right, well, we know him in the back. And then we're like, maybe we should just like alternate a couple faces or heels or whoever. And I was going to let Dustin Thomas walk out because I was like, dude, if you want to go out first, like, go for it. And then, like, I think like 20 seconds before we were all going to go out, he's like, I don't want to go out first.

And like, I understood that. That's why I was also, like, letting him go because I was like, I don't want to go out first. Like, like, because, you know, we're kind of coming out with no music. The show hasn't, like, officially started. It's just going to be, hey, guys, like, all right, we're going to start this now. And so I understood when he was like, I don't want to do that. And so I was like, I completely, like, sympathize with that. So I was like, all right, I'll take the bullet.

I thought, like, in my mind, I was like, I'm taking the bullet. I'll go out first and get that awkward, like, oh, I guess we're starting. Like, you know, no music's going on, nothing. It's just guys are starting to walk out. And so, but when I walked out and I was looking out, I was like, oh, my God, this is a huge crowd. Like, this is awesome. And then they all were starting to pop. I was like, oh, yeah.

Like, oh, my God. Like, it started just like, you know, taking your breath away and stuff. And then you want to just live in that moment forever. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no. Everybody else is coming out too. Like, keep walking. Keep walking. That crowd was so ready to, like, just explode.

Yeah. So no matter anything could have happened in that moment, the crowd would have gone crazy. Yeah. Not to take anything away from you. I'm just saying, like, that crowd was so hot. Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. It's not necessarily.

It was all just me of coming out of like, oh, yeah, you guys all know. I made you all cry. It was like that's why I was like also Going to let him like go out and just like yeah just get the get the first pop dude like you know and like kind of take one for us all like You know get that like you know awkwardly come out kind of a thing And so that's why I felt like I was more like all right I'll like bite the bullet and go out and then it just turned into that pleasant surprise So I was like oh and then afterwards I realized like oh man I was the first one to like walk down a ramp kind of a thing or like you know I can have that as like a bragging ride and I'm like oh man that's actually kind of cool to reflect on of like

Like, I was the first to walk. Like, you know, we all walk in the ramp before the show and stuff. But I'm like, yeah, it was the first, like, all right, the show's starting, official person to come out. So I'm like, that's kind of cool. Jungle Boy told me he was supposed to have a spot with you. Yeah. But Billy Gunn, like, sprinted out and just started hitting you.

That match was, oh, man, that was a train wreck to try and put together. I bet. Yeah. All of us that are in the match are honestly not really happy with the match, if I'm being honest. But, I mean, I try and look at it objectively of like, all right, like look at it what was presented and like that you know it's good kind of a thing but yeah your voice kind of went up there it's good yeah well i mean you obviously being on the the inside of it just knowing like how hard it was to get all of that and how much was like missed because of like there

was just too much made yeah that it was stuff like that where it was like uh like jungle boy wasn't the only one it was like private party had another thing they were going to do their little inside out tornado ddc thing they never got to do that i was supposed to take that from him kind of a thing and i I remember feeling like, damn it, like I was really wanting to take that from it. And I wanted them to get that shine in that moment. Jimmy Havik almost missed his spot with the cigarette being stapled. Yeah, it's because there's so much going on at once, usually, that it was like, oh, man, they're like, they're not going to get this or like this will be going on the same time as that.

Or like, yeah, Jungle Boy's going to run out to give me that. And then just something else like, oh, like, I guess Billy Gun might have just like, oh, there's a free body to start stomping to, like, do something. So it's not the run out and just like grab a headlock or something. Yeah. So I understood on both ends, but I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah, it's just because there's so much going on. Well, now that you have the contract, have you guys been able to move out of the small place?

Not yet, because even, I mean, in California, it's always like you got to have the work for two years kind of a thing before you can buy. And so we are looking for places to rent at the moment. Buying in California is not cheap. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like your money does not go very far there. Not really, especially, I mean, in the main cities in California, yeah. But we live off in like a little like desert at the moment.

What's the name of the city? Hesperia. And so from that sounds made up. Right. Yeah. It's halfway on the way to Vegas. So that's also where it's like we're still considered Southern California. But like, you know, it's a stretch to say that.

Oh, so you're close to Nevada. Yeah. It's like to get to Vegas is like a two and a half, three hour drive. Basically you're in the desert. Yeah, exactly. It's in the desert. So there you get a lot more bang for your book. Okay.

That's good. Is that the same city of the box living? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We all grew up in Rancho and then like it's just too, like you're saying, it's way too much to try and live out there. So, like, we all kind of moved elsewhere.

Yeah, one of my friends just bought a house in Hollywood, and he told me how much he spent on it. And I'm like, and you got this? Yeah. The house is fine, but you spent that kind? You'd have a mansion anywhere else. Even, like, the main city closest to us, Rancho Cucamonga, and, like, Ontario, that's, like, a 45-minute drive from us.

I'll have friends that are renting, and they're paying, like, one-and-a-half times what I'm paying, and they have a one-bedroom, one-bathroom, like, apartment with, like, you know, maybe 600 square feet or something. I'm like, man, like, I'm at least renting a house that's, you know, 900 square feet. And, like, you know, when we move to a bigger house, it's like, it's less than a, sometimes less than a dollar per square foot where, like, other places, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah.

So that's where it's like, we still get to claim we live in California. And, like, who cares about the little bit more of a drive to get to all the luxuries of Disneyland and the beach and all that? Because it's like when you're, when you're monthly paying a lot less and getting a lot more, who cares? Yeah. Are you still hoping to work more matches in AEW? I definitely. I mean, obviously. We all want to, like, express ourselves creatively like that.

Sure. It looks like they're, you know, building a storyline and being the elite with you. Yeah, there's a couple of that. And Sammy, right? Yeah, there's that kind of going on that I'm hoping to pay off because that'd be awesome. He's someone that I've always wanted to wrestle. The Bucks told me in the interview, which will probably actually get posted after this interview, that everything on being the elite has some sort of payoff.

That is true. So there it is, ladies and gentlemen. I definitely try and keep track of that for them, too, of like, oh, we haven't done this yet. We need to get that before this pay-per-view because that's the thing that needs to get to that. So we're always thinking as a hive mind of like we don't want to leave stuff like the other companies of like, yeah, we did that and then it never went anywhere kind of a thing. Or like, or we just moved away from it. Well, at least try and write it off in a way where it's not just going to be like, yeah, we just dipped out on it. Like, you know, it wasn't holding up well.

So like you never saw it again. Like we try and like at least because it's weekly too. So there's no reason not to do something where it's like we have the time. Like, you know, weekly is really quick. Like how Matt was saying, you can build stuff small for a long time. Like you don't have to just like build something up for two weeks and then have a payoff. Like a lot of their stuff before all in was built up for months before it was paid off at all in. And your episodes don't need a certain length.

Yeah. You know, if you want this week's episode to be a little bit shorter and next week's to be a little bit longer, you don't have a network going, hey, this needs to be 22 minutes. Yeah, on the dot or something. That's exactly how works in TV. Yes. That's something we're trying to keep in mind too of when we get to TV. of like we have to be riding around commercials and stuff and like and not have wrestling during I'm just kidding no that's that's a real thing yeah it's insane to think of that I'm like I get that like oh

we're trying to be the sports style like yeah no sport has any uh you know entertainment or whatever going on during the commercial but I'm like all right wrestling is different in that sense like you could have boring the part of the match going on during that and because I'll see how like wbba do some of that and I'm like so they had these guys come out for their entrance then then they'll go to commercial, they'll come back and do a backstage promo, then they go back to the ring where these guys have been standing for the last 10 minutes for the live audience, and then they will start to wrestle. And then it'll be for like three minutes and go to another commercial.

I don't get how that was the way they thought of running that. I'm like, or just have a seven-minute match within that seven-minute time you have. But I'm like, well... And this was not the case when we were watching in the attitude era. Yeah. I don't remember matches going to commercial. I don't either. I remember WCW did it, but they would do it.

at the wrong parts that you'd be like, what the hell you just was about to die? Like, you cut as he was running. So, like, that was the extreme way not to do it. But yeah, now it's way too obvious. It's like they're on the outside and they're like, oh, as, as Rock continues on, it's like, well, nothing's going to happen for the next three minutes. Yeah. Or, yeah, and it's literally, they don't even go inside the ring again until they come back.

So then I get like the, the fomo of, I don't want to miss anything that they've done or something. But it's like, that's a part of wrestling. you got to accept like there's going to be some stuff that happens during it or like I said if you have a seven minute segment before you go to commercial maybe fit the whole entrances and match in that seven minute segment and then go to commercial and come back have a whole new segment well you know why this is different now because of this wrestling company called all elite wrestling yeah and I mean this is me saying this before we even have TV and all that experience for all I know when we start TV we could we could be hit with all that where it's like oh it can't be what I'm saying right now that doesn't work that doesn't fly for whatever reason like that's beyond my knowledge at this point. I work in television and a lot of it's with hitting the quarter markers. Yeah. So you need to, you want to hit your breaks at like 13-ish so that you can come back afterwards or before that to hit both quarter hours with the ratings. That might actually be a thing you guys have to do. Yeah, yeah. And we're getting at least a game plan to prepare for all that. And you work with people who know all this stuff. Exactly. Yeah. So, and like how Matt's learned his way with

like all the executive vice president, like we're going to learn our way and I'm sure we're going to stumble on a lot of that stuff and like we're going to get criticized for everything you know every wrong thing we might do in the beginning but that's part of learning and like you know i'm already prepared to not let it get to me and like just like yeah well or you know that was going to happen it was our first like tv you know but it must be pretty exciting for you in on the ground floor you're part of these changes that are being made that are affecting the industry as a whole yeah yeah yeah that's pretty wild when you say like that's true you know like i i i was at double or nothing obviously you were there too in part of the show i thought raw that monday was going to be like

guns blazing like out the gate like we're changing everything right i thought that too monday morning i didn't think about it at all because like it since we did our paper view on saturday like i didn't think about it and then monday morning comes i'm like oh wb is like they got it they've had a couple days like they might fire back they might like cody did that throne thing like yeah yeah i don't know maybe somebody'll just mention it like you know especially on the the hall of fame the dx thing where They mentioned us throughout it. They peppered us through it. So I was like, okay, they have no problem with, like, mentioning us or something.

And I remember, like, I don't have cable. I'm one of those cable cutters. So, like, just on the internet and on Twitter and stuff, I'd be trying to find stuff about Raw. I remember people were like, it's like an hour and 12 minutes and still no wrestling matches. I was like, what are they doing? Like, we gave them, like, you know, we tried to be like, hey, we want to play ball or something. And then, like, they just, no, get that ball away. But Fighter Fest, for some reason, really changed things.

Right. Because that Raw was smashing the set. That was Corey Graves swearing. That Smackdown was the middle finger. Like something happened at Fighter Fest. That was also the Bischoff and Heyman announcement. And in between that time, wasn't there the whole thing where like somebody addressed like AEW is our competition and stuff like. Like there's a lot that finally was like I think we were kind of getting in their heads a little bit on that kind of stuff.

Which I love because I'm like, yes, let's play ball. Yes. We want to, you know, not necessarily be competition, but it's like, we want to at least show that we're aware of each other. Because that's the worst thing is saying, like, they don't exist or like, we refuse to mention them. It's like, ah, like, you don't have to do like straight, like destroy a throne every time. But it's like, yeah, just tease it something. Like that's what being the elite was always doing. Like, FTR was made on being the elite.

And it was like, yeah, it's because we're just poking fun at stuff. And like how I just even said of like the whole little commercial break thing. Like, it's just you want to poke fun and like just be aware of the element. elephants that are in the room and not try and be like, no, we can't address that. Like, because that's that whole thing of like, you can't say this. Like, you can't say that. And all the WWE guys that can't do interviews because it's like they're afraid of whatever they might say.

I feel like we have that opposite attitude of like, no, just embrace it. And like, just like the fans know it. Don't treat the fans dumb and like don't try and like disservice them by saying, no, we don't want to touch on that. Like, just say something about it. Who cares? Like, it's not going to end the, the AEW is not going to fold because like I talked about this stuff.

Yes. Rising tides lift all shit. Yeah. And like if you guys push WWE to be better, WWE is then going to push you guys to be better. Yeah. And then everybody else, Ring of Honor and Impact in New Japan and every indie. It's the best for everybody.

And then wrestling fans win overall. And wrestlers win. Yeah. Everybody wins. That's what I was hoping for is because they gave, I think, at the end of that RAW, they gave like R ricochet and Cesaro and they had a great match. I'm like, why didn't they start Raw with that? Like, that was like, you have great performers.

Like, use them. Let them show their talents kind of a thing. Like they have the best roster ever. Yeah. And like, you know, I'm not ever going to say the thing of like, we have hands down best wrestling ever. No, like we all have great wrestlers. Like I will say, Rickache is like the best high flyer probably kind of a thing.

Yeah. And it's like I want to see him get used. Like I've never met him ever. But I like, I've seen his work and the guy deserves to like be used in the right light kind of a thing. So like whatever company any of these guys are for, I'm just like, I want them to get used and like be on TV or, you know. A lot of people even in our company are with people in their company. And it's like, well, yeah, obviously by extension, I want good things for them.

Like, you know, like, of course I want Adam Cole to like do good. He's dead, actually. That's true. Yeah, that's just a go. But it is like with me, it's like if you're a friend of the bucks, then by default, you're good in my eyes. Like, you're a friend of mine. And so like I've met Adam Cole a couple of times, but like never really had anything with him. But I wish him the best because, you know, he's friends with my friends.

So I'm like, oh, yeah, of course I want to see him prosper. I love this idea from you and from a lot of other people I've talked to. It's like, why can't everybody win? Right? Because we can. We can all win. The fans can win. The wrestlers can win.

There is a timeline that, like the best timeline that we all win. And like that's the path like we're trying to go down of like, no, like we can, like, WW and AED can exist together and we can all be happy kind of a thing. And like, you know, we can have fun poking at each other. It's not necessarily like, oh, they did this. Like, you know, oh, that was bad of them to do that bad form or something. but it's like, I just want to poke them and like, yeah, poke me back kind of a thing. Yeah.

So how excited are you for TV? Oh, I'm super excited. I can't wait to go through that. It's nuts. Like, it doesn't hit when I'm telling people of like, oh, yeah, we'll be on T&T in October. Like, I feel like I say that to people to try and make it real to me because, like, it still hasn't hit, really. I think it's going to be probably that first show we do. And like any other time, when I see the arena beforehand, I'll be like, we got to do this again next week.

like it's not just like being the elite bits where it's like oh yeah when we meet up we'll write that or something or like we'll film that it'll be like we should probably have a game plan like a few weeks ahead of time on all these and yeah like if you think you get recognized a lot now or the bucks get recognized a lot now if we had the same conversation in a year from now

yeah it's gonna be next level yeah because it's gonna be we're on a public channel that anyone could just be flipping through and like oh yeah I saw that or like hey aren't you with those wrestling guys with those AEW guys like yeah yeah we're going I can't go around conventions Like I am just like walking around looking at all the stuff unnoticed like it might be like oh aren't you one of those guys? Yeah So when you're wearing a shirt with your name on it that's true sleevely shirt Jacked up dude I think people know you know

Yeah somewhat yeah that's what I wear these shirts at conventions because I'm like I want to know all the other D&D nerds that are here kind of a thing Like that's what I do it for that's why I made this shirt is because I'm honestly like I want to know any wrestling fans that are also D&D nerds and like I want to just like chat with them about like D&D and wrestling That's like the ultimate nerddom coming together. I just made up that word there. Fandoms, yeah, like that. But it's not just fandom. It is, and it is like, you got to be a nerd to, like, play D&D and all that. But, like, I love it.

I embrace that. Like, I'm like, yeah, nerds could still be cool. It's not like nerd is like a derogatory term where it's like, oh, no, you can be cool and be a nerd. Like, what I love, I got a man crush on Joe Manganoelo, that actor, because he is huge into D&D. And so that's where I'm like, granted, he's a good looking guy. And I also tell Luciusaurus, he looks like him without.

the mask. But it is that he loves D&D and I'm like, oh, that's the kind of celebrity I like is like, you know, he's got all the money in the world and like he made a dungeon in his basement to play Dungeons and Dragons in. That's pretty badass. Right? Yeah. You should make one for like one for wrestling and then one for D&D.

Yeah, that's true. Well, I mean, we might somewhat get a ring around where we live just so we can. But again, if we're doing weekly TV, we'll always have access to a ring again. But I know the bugs are all like, man, wasn't it? great when we used to just own a ring and we could just full around in it. So there's been talks of like, maybe we should just get a ring again for us. Why not? But I mean, again, maybe once weekly TV is happening.

What were we thinking? Like, we're at this ring every week kind of a thing. So we'll see. But yeah, I definitely, I feel like I should run a D&D campaign in a ring at some point. I get a lot of people requesting that of like, I hope there's a be in the elite where you just try and run D&D with some of the wrestlers or something. I feel like that'd be hilarious. But I'm like, but I think a lot of the wrestlers will be like, wait, what is this?

It would take a lot of explaining. and then it would finally be the sit down for like a three to five minute bit. And it's like, I just spent like a week explaining this to everybody of like what it is they're doing. What would be a funny joke or something? So I'm like, oh, man, that's going to be a lot of work. I'm like, oh, maybe eventually. Look, I'm super happy for everything you have going on right now. Thank you.

I think that it's well deserved. And you're a great example of hard work pays off. And I feel like everyone should be able to take that from you. Yeah. I try and bring that light to everybody, too, of like, because even that I left wrestling for seven years, I try and tell everybody, like, even if you've left whatever it is,

your passion is, because I left it, because I got beat down by, like, life of, like, you can't make it in wrestling, because that was the era that, like, indie people didn't make it. And so I got, like, the whole beatdown of life of, like, yeah, you just get a normal job. You got to, like, suck it up and be a real person in the world. But, like, I always had the dream of, like,

oh, it'd be so cool to be, like, you know, make it in wrestling and provide my family with, like, money from wrestling. And so, like, I try and tell everybody, even if you've given up on your true passion for a while, you're still alive, your heart's still beating. Like you can still go back to it. It's not like it's ever too late. So I try and instill that with everyone from my personal story of like,

you're still alive. It's not too late. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you. This was great. Actually, where can people find you? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Brand Cutler.

There we go. Brand. Yeah, just B-R-A-N. Short for Brand. Start. All right, thanks again. Thank you. So there you go.

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