Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Brian Pillman Jr on his father, growing his mullet, AEW, inspiration from Stone Cold

Episode Date: October 17, 2019

Brian Pillman Jr. sits down for a conversation with Chris Van Vliet in Newport, KY. He talks about how he worked a corporate job after graduating from college but left it for wrestling, training with Lance Storm in Calgary, how Stone Cold Steve Austin inspired him, working for MLW, how he was booked for AEW, his future plans and more! Blue Wire thanks our partners for this week, Shipstation & Roman. Try Shipstation free for 60 days by going to shipstation.com and entering promo code Blue and go to roman.com/bluewire to get a free online visit & free two day shipping. Watch my first interview with Brian Pillman Jr. here: https://youtu.be/D5dQEFA0Oo4 Follow Brian on Instagram: http://instagram.com/flyinbrian41 My audio equipment provided by Samson Technologies: http://bit.ly/CVVSamson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Well, it turns out after his father died, Brian Pilman Jr. actually stopped watching wrestling completely. It wasn't until Stone Colds. Steve Austin randomly reached out to him that he even thought about getting back into even watching wrestling. And then it obviously led to him training with Lance Storm. And here he is now. He does a great Stone Cold Steve Austin impression, by the way. You'll hear it in just a second. Brian was, he was working a corporate nine to five Monday to Friday job after college. And then he decided, you know what? I want to follow my father's footsteps. And I want to see what I can

do. So he's not even two years. into his wrestling career. He's signed with MLW. He's made two appearances with AEW. What is next for the man with the most glorious hair in wrestling? We find out right now when we chat with Brian Pilman Jr. Should we tell people how this all went down? That you're... This was supposed to happen an hour ago. Yeah. Yeah. And when I texted you, I was like, hey, do you think we could... Originally, I was like, Hey, do you think you can do this to like 10 in the morning? You're like, ooh, waking up early, man. So I'm like, all right, let's push it back to 11.

And apparently 11 was too early for you too. Just a little bit. Yeah. By about an hour. Yeah, because at 1115 when I texted you and you didn't answer, I called you. And you're like, oh, dude, my alarm didn't go off. Yeah, I set my alarm for 10 and 10 didn't happen. So here we are.

What do you, you must have gone to bed real late. Yeah, I'm always up at all hours at the night. Like what time do you normally go to bad? Sometimes 5 a.m. 5 a.m. Sometimes 9. Doing what? Well, you know, when you're Brian Pilman Jr.,

there's a lot of important stuff to do. You love the gimmick. You know, I feel like I got to get a good. Different parties, different. We got to get frank. A good stance in there. No, you got a good stance.

You got to get a power pose. Good shirt, by the way. So, look at that. Oh, that's just my new shirt. You know, nothing too pretty. Yeah, no big deal. What's going on in this show? Brian Pilman Jr.

This is a inspiration from Dragon Balls Z for those of you that are aware. Is this senior above here? Yes, sir. Yeah. It is Brian Pilman Sr. Yeah. And that there is the mullet god. Brian Pilman Jr.

That's what we should be announcing. The mullet god. Yes. Yeah. So it's been almost a year since you were on the show last. And at that point, you had just celebrated your one year wrestleversary is what we called it? That's crazy to think about that. I did this interview with you a year.

Yeah, it was last December. We're in Miami. That's right. Yeah, we'll link that below. Now we're in northern Kentucky, Cincinnati, basically. Why are we here? What on earth contains this terrible city? You live here.

This is terrible? That's right. I do. Actually, no, this is what I call home. Yeah. And this is a great place to live. A great place to raise a family. Great place to travel in and out of.

Yeah. And I think you really enjoy living here. Yeah, I live in a much nicer part than I do. I don't know about that. What city do you live in? I live in Covington. Covington. But I grew up in Erlanger and Edgewood.

Yeah, okay. Edgewood being the nicer part of that. But yeah, I went to Dixie Heights High School, played football. I was the captain of the lacrosse team. Man. Of course, lacrosse being a newer sport around here. Yes. And the other captains.

So they were like, oh, you're captain. They're like, yeah, yeah, well, you're good enough. Sure. Why not? Yeah, Lee. You know, you should. What position are you playing football? I was a, for the longest time, I was like a linebacker, but as I found that nobody wanted to play D-Line and I was a pretty tough son of a gun.

So by the time I was a senior, I was like, look, I'll just be a lineman. I'll smack these guys around and then it worked. Didn't you want to score though? The tenacity. So I actually picked up a fumble or no, I blocked a punt from Highlands, your school. This is the area of living. Oh, I'm from Canada. Like people took where he lives.

Oh, okay. Because we're all what we call the cake eaters. Okay. Would go to school because they're the rich kids that go to Highlands. Of course, this is his neighborhood. And I remember they were the best team ever, right? They had 120 kids on the team. Couldn't beat them because their roster was so deep.

There was nothing you could do. Kids paid tuition. They flew in to go to Highlands because it was an independent school. And you had to either live in the area and pay super taxes or you had to pay tuition. And a lot of kids did. A lot of kids went to school there just to play football. So it was a big moment for me. I blocked the punt.

Yeah. I picked it up. Wow. I was so excited. I didn't score. I just, I don't know. I couldn't like pick up the ball. It went out of bounds.

I was like, no, but I blocked it. Blocked the punt, but the next play, my team scored. So that's my touchdown. All because of you. I claimed the touchdown. Yeah. Those are my points. Defensive points.

You know. So if it's been a year, what do you think's really changed for you professionally in that last year? Definitely my hair. My hair is gone through some evolution. It's getting even more mullity. Well, you got to freshen it up. You got to sharpen it up because if you let it get two out of hand, it's no longer a mullet. And then you start to kind of disrespect where the mullet has come from, the history of it, why it exists and things like that.

Like, you know, if my hair is getting so long on top and it starts falling in my face, well, that defeats a whole... It's not a mullet. Yeah. The functionality of a mullet is to keep the hair out of your eyes, ladies and gentlemen. And that's why athletes, you see them utilize it most. this isn't just some random 80s fad trend. Okay, this is a functionality thing. I'm a yoga specialist.

You are, which is crazy. I don't think people realize, like people that don't know you that well, don't realize there's a lot more to BPJ, as we coined in the last interview, Brian Pelman Jr. than just the in-ring stuff. You said you had boxing. Was it last night you had boxing? Yeah, I had a pretty good training day yesterday.

So every Tuesday, you know, you come off the road, maybe your jet lags Monday. You know, maybe Monday you go to the gym, get a pump in. But Tuesday, I got a really good functional day. I went to boxing with Rob Radford, for all of you who don't know, is a professional boxing coach with over 30 years of experience based out here in Cincinnati. Also trained a couple of guys by the names of low-key. Oh, I think I've heard of him.

I think there's a guy that he trains, his name's Jake Hager. Wow. So, you know, I've heard of him too. Yeah, I'm been pretty good. hands being here in Cincinnati learning how to fight. So that along with the yoga, I feel like they're complete ends of this spectrum. Oh, no, no, no. You would be surprised at how much yoga fits in with combat sports so much because of the

breathing and the flexibility. My other trainer, Josh Drafri, he even claims that yoga is its own martial art because of just how deadly it is, the things that you learn in yoga, the amount of patience and that killer instinct that you can get just by controlling your breath, right? Yeah. So then after that, after I did all my fitness and boxing stuff,

I went over to Roger Ruffman's pro wrestling school right here in Cincinnati as well. So helping out some of the young kids with their strikes and with their grappling. And obviously I'm going to pick up a few of them and bump them around for my own personal gain. But that's neither here nor there. I feel like I should step in there.

I should pay a visit. Yeah, we'll get you, we'll get you over there to Rogers. I bumped a little bit. We'll chop you up a little bit. We'll bump you around. Okay. We'll teach you the rope. Just in case you never know.

Company might say, hey, you know, CVV, we need to bump you. Yeah. We need to kick your butt a little bit because these fans have been, they've been yelling at you. They don't like you. You're a piece of garbage. Why are you kind of promo on me now? Hey, that's life. No.

I wake up every morning and cut a promo. When I wake up, I look in the mirror and I cut a promo to start my day. Look in the camera right now and cut that promo that you cut on yourself. Hey, you. You're the champ. Each and every day. Never forget it. Wow.

Every morning. I got to start. Wow. Yeah. See how fired up I am now? Yeah. Yeah. Woo!

I'm going to go. I'm fired up now. I'm going to go steal a horse. That's a... Okay. Yeah. That's a... Or in Kentucky, you can steal people's horses and shit.

Completely legal to steal horses? No, no. We're stealing them. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Lies, we're breaking the law. But it's a great way to make.

make extra money on the side to steal horses yeah what do they call those cowboys that's what they call them yeah that's what you're doing here i'm a cowboy yeah i actually wanted to be a pro wrestler uh my entire growing up i went to wrestling school when was 18 when was it for you that you were like okay this is it this is what i'm going to do there's a couple focal points you know obviously when i was uh five years old rolling around with ray mysterio and rico and guys like that first time being in the ring that was like okay maybe i'm going to do this one day, right? But not really knowing the implications of that, not really knowing

the impact of those who were around me because I was five or six years old. I went back to playing with toys and doing whatever. You know, you get to be 9 or 10, 11, start asking questions like, well, Mom, what happened to all those wrestlers we used to hang out with? This, that, another. And then it was always like, no, son,

wrestling will kill you, it's bad. It does drugs all the time. And then I was like, oh, man, all right, I won't do wrestling. And then I was like, 13, and I was like, you know what? I'm going to be a wrestler, but I'm going to tell anybody for a while and then I went to school they told me again because like they always they don't want you to win right the world doesn't want you to do cool shit they're like well they want to college and blow all your money and give them to give it to uncle Sam so they want the

safe bet go get a nine to five job pay your taxes yeah and little did I know that was probably the worst thing I could have done it could well we'll get back to that but it was not the uh personality choice for my career right so I went in I got the degree right college was a brief for me for some people it's a huge challenge but you know some of us have more gifts than others right I was pretty good at school because I could do it like that I didn't have to you know I didn't have to do a lot of studying right I have a very good memory sure so after college got a job right out of college like the last day of school and KU right here by your house they were like yeah everything that you do is

what we need I was like oh Okay, okay. They're like, yeah, so we'll just hire you now. I was like, oh, shit, I'm still in school. They were like, we don't care. And what was the job? It was a client technical analyst for a company called CDK Global out here in Norwood, which was kind of cool with my story too because my dad grew up in Norwood.

So that part of town, he's like a local legend, right? Sure. I'm seeing all these posters, things. I toured the high school. There's a bunch of plaques and shit of them. Yeah. So it was a cool little, that was like, that's why I was saying like everything that happened. happened in a reason because if I didn't get that job to then go to Norwood to then see

what my history is all about with my family it might not have inspired me to really get out there and be a wrestler but just going through seeing all these plaques seeing all these accolades and then like clocking in like at nine like okay well this is my life like I was good at my job well 11 am was too early this morning so I don't know how you woke up for that job exactly exactly I was to put this way I was a completely different person. It was just like technology and like, probably didn't have a mullet. I didn't have a mullet. My strength was low.

Didn't have all these muscles, you know. So when, what was the catalyst to make you go, you know what? I want to do that. I want to follow my dad's footsteps. Did you call a wrestling school? Did you email some places? How'd that work? Yeah.

Just like I said, it kept knocking on my door, man. It was just like, dude, are you there, Brian? Hey, there's a career waiting for you in this business. You know, you're made for this shit. Yeah, I just finally got another big, big knock on the door. It came from a guy named Stone Cold Steve Austin. Yeah, wow. He said, you know, hey, Brian, I don't know what you've been doing,

but I got this weightlifting belt, belong to your dad. I want to send it over to you. And I said, oh, shit, Steve, that's pretty damn cool. It's by the coolest thing I've ever heard in my life. You know, and I look at Twitter, and I'm like, okay, it's really him. Like, this is not a, this is a shoot, right? and that kind of conversation, those stories that he presented me with about my father, and I'm 23 at this time.

So I'm like, all right, I got my big boy job, but I'm like, you know, this is not me. Like I'm at that crossroads again. So like I said, a lot of these signs, a lot of these calls that are coming to me are almost perfect timing. Yeah. And it was just that storm of emotions and thinking about my dad and thinking about my mom and how she never kept my ties close. And then it hit me. It was like, no one's just going to come in and tap me on the shoulder and then say, here's your training, right?

I had to go out and get it. It doesn't matter if you're Hillman Jr. Doesn't matter if you're Rick Flair Jr. Doesn't matter who you are. Wrestling will not come and get you. You have to go and get wrestling. And that was the big light bulb of my head was as long as I do chase it, as long as I do put in the work, it will give back to me.

But if I just sit in school and wait, like, you know, and I'm not pointing anybody out because I did the same thing, but some of these second-gen guys might feel that way that they're kind of owed it to them. Like, they deserve to be reached out and brought in and trained up. But in all reality, that's never how it is in wrestling. Wrestling's always been about paying your dues, chasing it down. And I said, screw it. I'm going to do all the research I can.

Reach out to everyone I can and just get the best training I can that way nobody can deny me. You know what I mean? If I just half-assed, it waited on somebody to bring me in, you know, maybe the local guy trains me up, okay. but what kind of service am I doing it in business that way? Or I could really, you know, maybe take out some money, invest, go to Canada, live for three months. Well, you went to, that sounds like a good idea.

Arguably the best training in Canada, if not in the world. You went to Lance Storm. Yeah. Who's actually closing his doors after this next session, which is crazy. Well, he ultimately decided he produced the single most greatest star that he could ever produce. This is it, ladies and gentlemen. It doesn't get any better than this. He was like, well, better close the north, you know.

Go out on top, as we say. Always go out on top. That's a big move, though, to go from northern Kentucky to go to Canada, a different country, to go to Calgary. Yeah. And sign up there. And I believe they put you up there, right? Like when you want to go, he finds you a place to stay, right? Oh, it finds you a super cheap place to rent.

Lance does have his own little house. It suits about five wrestlers. I really enjoyed it. It was cool hanging out there. But I personally stayed with a different lady, someone who he contracted out to serve. It's like a billet. I think that's like a satellite apartment somewhere. But it's cheaper to stay because it's for the school.

And it worked out for a lot of us. And like I said, that everything worked out proper because that 9 to 5 job I had, that big boy corporate job, they gave me severance when they laid me off. So it was like, oh, I'll just pay it. my training with this. Yeah, they laid me off at the perfect time. Wow. Yeah.

Your life is a series of these perfect events all lining themselves up. That started with a bunch of shitty ones. Like it started off like trials, trials, trials, trials, heartbreak, death, dishonor, all this. And then it was like, here's the comeback, you know. Here's the comeback. We had our heat. We are fucking coming back now. Yeah.

Excuse my French. We're on the internet. We're on the internet. You can say whatever you want. Oh, wow. Don't tell me that. It's fine. So you go up there.

You make the decision you're going to dedicate, what, is it nine months? Is it 12 months? Is it six months? You're going to dedicate that chunk of time to be with Lance. I wish it was longer. I had a really great time up there just experiencing it. A very different culture. You wouldn't think that Calgary or that part of the world is.

Don't jiggle it around too much. So much different than us. All right. It's like cool stuff. He's got some neat trinkets in this place. It's just a green wall for everyone watching. No, no, there's Rick Flair boots over there. There's belts over here.

So how long were you there? So it was only three months. Like I said, I wish it would have been longer. But it's intensive. It's Monday to Friday, nine to five type of thing. It's the most time intensive training you can get, I think, if possible. During the while it was around, of course, Monday through Friday. We did nine to three.

So we did, yeah, we did about six hours, maybe like. like a little break in there in between for some food, but really, really nonstop. Like if you wanted lunch, you just ate on the side, you know, like, but it wasn't like we were running sprints the whole time, you know, a lot, a lot of, a lot of psychology lectures and a lot of stories that would go on to help us in the future. Like, obviously at the time, I didn't really know what, what they were talking about. But looking back, it's like, wow, I got a whole college course on this business. Yeah.

Outside of just the wrestling, it was like, you know, the politics of it, how you should, how you should care yourself and how you should respect this business. So it's a very good crash course. But I think what you're saying is something I've heard from a lot of other wrestlers where it's like you need to get good training. Like there's going to be someone in and around your city that you live that could train you, but you're going to want to get good training. And more importantly, it'd be great to get training from someone who's been there.

Yeah. Of course, Lance has. And it's different for everybody. Everybody's pathway is different. That's why I say like so many other guys, different situations than me, but they go a different path. they get to where they want to be. So I don't discredit anybody's training as long as they're training at a safe facility.

And like you said, someone that's had at least a couple coffee in this business. Yeah. Because it just adds to your credibility as a performer and things like that. But some people have to start from literally their backyard. And as we've seen, if history tells us anything, that'll produce some hardworking wrestlers. That's true. Strong stars, you know. Yeah. At what point during your rise or during your rise,

your training, did you decide I'm going to go with my birth now? I'm going to be Brian Pilman, Jr. Because what comes along with that is a lot of good, but what comes along with that is also a lot of expectations. Oh, it was actually pretty rough, a rough dilemma that I faced. It was a lot of dilemmas I dealt with early on, you know, just try to figure out who I was. And then also who I am in the ring and who I am, you know, outside the ring. But, you know, Lance told me it would be wise to maybe consider using a different name.

So that was actually his thought process was that the expectations would be too high. And that coming from a place of a kid that didn't really grow up watching it, didn't really grow up studying it, wasn't super smart in the business that he thought I would be exploited or exposed by using my own name so soon. But as we've seen throughout, sometimes you have to do the opposite of what people tell you, right? So you can take advice from people 100% and you can live. other people's lives or you know you take everything you can and there might be something that doesn't work for you right so there's been many times in my career where i've done the exact opposite of what people have told me and that was the one thing that i think made made it work for me because

i i can't go out there and be anybody else my my story is who i am yeah i'm wrestling because of who my father was right i'm wrestling for him for his legacy so it would have made no sense to me i wouldn't have felt like i was doing my job going out to the ring if I was under the name of John, you know, John Saskatchewan or something. Great, great wrestling name. John Saskatchewan. Boomer. Boomer Scarborough is my favorite one.

After your father passed, you just kind of shut off wrestling out of your life. Yeah, I was just, because like I said, I was so young that wrestling was brought into my life by my parents. So when he passed and then my mother kind of sort of burned her bridges with the business, then it was taken away on that side. And also with you, right? Yeah, well, you know, for the most part, I lived with my mother until I was, I moved out at the age of 13. And who did you live with at the age of 13?

So I had a friend by the name of Paul, Spirandio, and, uh, he read, ingran name. I know, right? I know. I got some really good friends. Like, a lot of my friends have made great wrestlers just as they are. Like, I have some pretty cool friends. So you, you know, you moved out of mom's place. Yeah.

Yeah. And he, and his, his mom was a single mom. And I was like, shoot, if she can do it, then my mother should be able to do it. But she couldn't hack it, right? She was dealing with her demons and stuff. We won't get into it too much. But his mother was a really hardworking woman.

She worked at Home Depot. And my aunt and uncle would help her with groceries and stuff to kind of feed my fat butt just because I was, I mean, I was a big kid, man. I was eating. I was playing football. Yeah. I was eating everything. But we'll hit the pause button on our chat with Brian Pilman Jr.

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So just go to get roman.com slash bluewire for a free online visit and free two-day shipping. That's get roman.com slash blue wire for a free visit to get started. Get roman.com slash blue wire. Now let's get back to the interview with BPJ, Brian Pilman Jr. Wow. It's like, give me your hell of house. So you didn't watch wrestling basically all of your youthful years then? Yeah, a lot of those years were spent playing video games and just kind of doing, having my own little escape from this world.

You know, if we all have our entertainment or our escape, it was more like if I'm going to play football, I can stay out of trouble, play video games. Why not? I wasn't out doing drugs. Like I said, I tell people this all the time. Football saved my life because football kept me out of the gangsters and the people doing drugs. And it kept me in with the kids that were, because you had to have good grades to play football.

Right, yeah. You had to get your work, dog. And I loved hitting people in the head. So if I wanted to get that, if I wanted to get that adrenaline rush or knocking somebody clean on their ass, and I had to give my grades. So I made sure to just maintain just because I was so smart,

I could do whatever I wanted. I just maintained just above a 3.0. And if I got too high, I made sure to skip class to bring it back down. I was like, balance it out. I was like, shit, I can chill a little bit more. I'm about a 3-7. Shit, I ain't coming to school all week. I'm going to bring that back down to a 3-0.

So it wasn't until you got the corporate job and you started seeing the legacy your father had left, that you went, man, there's something here for me. That's when you got back into wrestling. Yeah, I was that probably at the point where I was jumping off the cubicles and axe-handling people. were you saying this. So this was like four years ago. Gosh, yeah. The time flies so fast in the wrestling world.

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Your bookings, you know, flying out to the West Coast, flying here to New York, this, that, and the other. It's like all of a sudden, two years has gone by.

I can't even believe it's been a year since we've done the last one. Right. Me neither. And I've seen you a bunch of times since. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And now we're pretty much neighbors.

So we're actually going to work out after this. Yeah, he's moved into my town just to be closer to me. You don't have to tell. Dude. I thought that was. That was our secret here. We're starting an empire here. We're building a Cincinnati empire.

So it was four-ish years ago? I'm just trying to think of the storylines that would have been going on when you started watching wrestling again. Oh, yeah. So let's say, let's say I just turned 26. So, yeah. No, we'll say this. We'll say December 31st, 2017, I had my first match. Yeah, so we're almost exactly two years.

So then training would have started September 11th, 2017. Wow. first day of training with Lance. So then before that September, I got laid off in July. So I got laid off in July a month or and a half later. Yeah. I'm at. And he just happened to have an opening.

You know, happened to take a lot of class. Yeah, I had been on the wait list. So, yeah, he didn't like cut me in front of people. I had been on the wait list probably for six months. Yeah. So my job knew. They were like, oh, he's doing, you know, so my job was very helpful with this issue. Well, it might have been the double axe handles off the cubicle.

They were like, yeah, we'll just let him go with that next wave of guys in June. We'll just let him go. Like, yeah. In these two years, not even two years, now you've made an appearance. We've made two appearances with AEW. Hey, I'm not counting them. Most people have only seen one, a double or nothing. Okay, but, you know, you were part of the Casino Battle Royale.

Yeah, yeah. How did that all come together for you? What was the other appearance, sorry? Well, it was backstage during Jericho's famous Little Bit of the Bubbley promo. And if you watch this back again, you will see Jericho's going through before he says a little bit of the bubbly. And he's making fun of people backstage. And he says to Brian, nice hair. Yeah.

Yeah, he said nice hair. He called me an idiot. Yeah, don't admit that. Nice hair, idiot. That's the feud. Was it a nice hair, idiot? Nice hair, idiot. That's the feud starter right there.

So we got to, we can't leave that out. That's heat right there. That could be a potential title match in the future. You don't insult. You don't compliment my hair and then call me an idiot. So it was double or nothing and all in? Yeah. Yeah.

So how did it come together for the, no, it was double or nothing battle royale. It wasn't all in. It was, uh, yeah, it was, uh, it was all out. All out. All out. That's right. All out.

Jeez. But it was double or nothing battle royale and then all out. So how did the double or nothing booking come about for you? Well, I'll tell you what, I've always, ever since I started, obviously, I've trained with Lance Storm. So I've always kind of had a relationship with Chris Jericho. I've always kind of had a kind of a conversation going with him. And I think that's a big part of who he is, is helping out the younger guys. He's always had a hand with helping out second generation guys get going and stuff.

So I really appreciate that. I think he appreciates the fact that I went to Canada and experienced that kind of life and went through Calgary. So I think Chris, what he sees in me as a guy that's willing to go out there and pay his dues and stuff, and I think that's why he's been kind of giving me these opportunities and these shots within their company. Cody was also someone that I met in Calgary while I was training. Cody Rhodes and Brandy Rhodes were booked for PWA Canada, Prairie Wrestling Alliance. A lot of cool wrestlers have been up through there. And I just sat there with him on the floor at the show.

I was like, hey, man, any advice you can give me? Just like, let me know. And he's just like, hey, here's how it's going to be. Like, because he dealt with the same thing. Right. He had just dealt with the passing of his father years before that. So he was kind of in a similar boat. Like, here, here's what to expect.

Here's where it's going to be harder. And here's where it's going to be a little easier. But he's like, as a whole, it's just going to be harder because the expectations are there. Lance basically said it's going to be a job from day one. There's no, like, play time. It's, you know, business, business, business. because people are going to want to see you wrestle right from day one. Right.

So it's just been trial and error, getting better on the fly. You signed with MLW very quickly. They've developed me really well. Yeah, you're in a great faction right now at the New Era Heart Foundation. What have you learned from someone like Davy, who's also second generation, you know, tag team partner of yours? What have you learned? Well, I guess you're a Teddy as well, you know.

I think Davey has taught me a lot about, especially, being that he's a spitting image of his dad, right? He's like, you know, he's a lot bigger and taller, but his gimmick, more or less is very similar in that of the British Bulldog, you know, second generation, right? So what I've learned from David is just how much respect he has for the business. He has such a high regard for pure traditional wrestling, like just really knows his history on Japanese and American and all the wrestling and there is. And that's what I've learned from him is just understanding that.

history will work out so much. It will reflect in your art. It will reflect in your mannerisms with people. It will reflect with your interactions online. If you really know what you're talking about, it'll show. Right. And Davey has shown me that. And Davey has shown me, I always say, I'm like, Davey's the angel on one shoulder.

And Teddy is the devil on my... But in contrast, there's things I can't learn from Davy that I can learn from Teddy, you know. Like about cats? I like about cats, what not to do, how to go four days without sleeping. There's a lot of things you can learn from Teddy. Teddy, you know, how to drive for 30 hours straight and never stop. Is he scared of flying? I have no idea because he drives everywhere.

I've been on planes of me. He drives from Texas to New Jersey. I'm like, whoa. That's crazy. He likes having his car and his cats too. That's it. You got to take care of the cat. He's also, you know, and I eat.

Litter box and the Cadillac. All right. Litter box and the cat. I interviewed him the same day I interviewed you, and he's become a very different person in his time after jail. Like I feel like that's the defining moment for him. I feel like he has a lot like better scope. Yeah, I think he's a very spiritual guy.

I think he's definitely cleaned up his attitude, very much so. MLW is very happy with what they've gotten out of Teddy and also what they've gotten out of 80 and me. I think that whole thing was just the perfect storm, right? the trifecta, if you will, of three different wrestlers that all complement each other. Even though my inexperience might be a hindrance, it's technically a compliment to them because they have all the experience in the world, right? So we've got two guys that have all the experience of the world.

One of them more in a traditional Japanese sense, and the other more of a lucha sense of the word, you know, because Teddy con from being a big star in Mexico and in Davy not even haven't had that many matches there. So it was really cool to just get that whole bowl of everything. And then me not knowing a clue just coming in acting like a goofball. And it was like, all right, this is the perfect dynamic. And then our real life situations became our wrestling characters. And that's the most organic and that is the most beautiful way to present pro wrestling, in my opinion. Do you think that you'd be in the position that you're in now if your father was still with us?

I'm not sure what the position would be, right? So it's really hard to ask that. You know, it's hard to say, you know, what if this, what if that? I look at a lot of, I try to look at other guys, like, you know, that their fathers are still here and they're wrestling and stuff. So maybe a guy like Cody Hall, for example, you know, Scott Hall is still here. Cody Hall is a whole other beast, right? Cody Hall is, you know, seven foot tall.

I think he's done a great job of differentiating his style from his father. But what would be different between me and him is he went to Japan. and he has a career there. So who knows? Who knows if my father was here? He might have said, Eric, kid, you know, you're going straight to Japan, you know,

and I know the Von Erick boys, you know. Kevin's still here. His kids went and trained in Japan right off the bat too. So who knows? Austin Gunn was going to go to Japan, I believe. Yeah, so a lot of, so sometimes when you're, I guess when your parents want what's best for you, they kind of dictate that a little bit.

Maybe. They kind of choose your first, all right, I want my kid to train. You know, so for me, it was like, well, shit. You know, I got me and then I got me and then that's it. So I'm going to choose to go to Lance's school and make the most of it. Yeah.

So who knows? I might not be sitting here next to you if my father was here. I might be over in Japan training or having a match or working for some company or maybe my father's started his own company. Who knows? Yeah. Maybe AEW or maybe, I don't know. Who knows? Yeah.

How old were you when he died? four years old four and how was the four years old that's tough how was the news delivered to you oh like i said uh it uh it was a weird time being in wrestling and everything was being filmed and stuff so uh like we were like siter we were like gathered around like they were it was almost like a photo shoot thing it was weird man like when i was told like i feel like they wanted to like get our reactions recorded or something like it was fucked up yeah so i didn't know i thought it was work for real yeah I didn't think I thought was it that told you you know I can't remember I can't remember I just remember being circled around with my mom and it was like I was like I was

felt like I was supposed to cry I was like am I being filmed like I don't know like I guess being as a kid being all confused I thought it was a work you know obviously at the time I didn't know what the word work meant but like I knew so I felt like something was up you know I was like no he's coming back you know like he'll do that is this WWE trying to cover their asses like oh it wasn't Wasn't our fault that he died. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. That's the thing. I don't think it's anybody's fault but his own fault, right?

He chose to pursue a life of extreme travel and of extreme physical abuse, which is coincide with substance abuse. Whether you want to admit it or not, it's not like these guys were just like crazy for doing all these drugs. No, they had a complete reason for doing what they did, and whether it was painkillers or alcohol or whatever, these guys were beating each other up all the time. So if nature says this, the nature would depict that maybe they would do this, right? You know, it's just kind of a cycle.

Like there's, you know, it was more than just him that passed away from the lifestyle, right? Well, do you think CTE plays a factor there too? It's really hard to say. Obviously, we don't scientifically know.

Yeah. There's a lot of research with that. And if you meet a lot of guys, you know, you might, like a lot of older wrestlers, you might notice a few, a few screws loose there.

So it's like It really depends on what kind of worker you are What kind of wrestler you are I can tell you now that a lot of the stuff These guys are doing today Not not not talking about anything acrobatic Or psychology wise But just some of the bumps these guys are taking

They're spiking their heads and stuff I spiked myself like one time And like I'm never doing that again Like I see guys spike themselves a lot And it's just like whoa dude Yeah I need to chill out Yeah

So if you If you're talking over a match with somebody and they say, I want to do X, Y, and Z, what are, what are your limitations? What do you say, I'm not comfortable doing that? I'm usually pretty comfortable with stuff. Like I said, a lot of things in wrestling can be done multiple ways. Yeah, true. So if a guy's like, hey, this is my shit, and I'm like, oh, that's nice shit. And then like, I might take it my way.

And I might be like, hey, man, sorry, I don't spike myself on that move. I'm just going to take it like a normal pro wrestling. would. Yeah. I was trained by a professional wrestler named Lance Storm. By one of the best technical wrestlers ever. So then they'd be like, oh, cool. And then like, I'm like, that's the end of it, you know?

And then they're like, do you want to do a Canadian destroy? I was like, no. And then we go to. I'm okay. Yeah. So it's really, that's like the only move I've never really done or given or taken. Canadian destroy. That one looks relatively safe, though.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I just never done it. And I'm like, why try it on a random show with Joe Blow? Yeah. If I'm going to take one, let it be with Ted. In your match.

Chris Jericho. Yeah, or in my match with Chris or with, if I have a match with Teddy, Teddy's the master. There you go. Yeah. But Pete Williams can give it to you. It's one of those things too where I'm not afraid to add to something new. I'm not afraid to try something new. I've always added new toolboxes, tools to my toolbox.

Yeah. I've always added new moves to my repertoire. Yeah. And like Lance always taught us, like you don't have to do everything right away. I can start getting crazier and more risky. But the way I see it at the age I am now, having a, you know, a college-educated background, having a background in business and understanding longevity and depreciation, I think my body is an investment of itself.

So if I can make it last as long as I can and stay in the gym and stay doing yoga and staying strong, then why not focus on those things instead of spiking myself all the time? Sure. So what is your favorite Brian Pilman's senior match? Oh, man, I got to go back. I got to hit up my boy Mark Merrill on this one, man. Okay. Yeah.

I love that match he had. with Mark Miro look it up I think it's like it's like something fall brawl or something fall brawl 93 maybe one of those brawes

but uh dude I get all those old names mixed up because they just name everything brawl brawl for all yeah super brawl what is your favorite Brian Pilman Jr. match Ooh that's a tough one

that is a tough one if someone's you know watching this for the first time and you know getting to know about you and they want to go watch one of your matches what's the match that you would send to a promoter? Or what's the match that, you know, you would say to someone,

oh, you want to know what Brian Pilman Jr.'s all about? Watch this. Well, I guess the coolest thing is that one of those matches is quite recent. Very rarely, because, you know, starting off fresh, it's like, no one's going to tell you, oh, you had a five-star match. You know what I mean? Like, it's just you got to, there's certain levels to that, right? Not only do you have to earn the respect of being a good worker for people to say your work's good, right?

Like, it's like, it could be great from day one, but they're like, well, there's still a little green, you know, like, still a little green around the air, but after you've wrestled a couple years, so you've wrestled a couple years, you're starting to have some okay matches, and then someone says, oh, Pilman had a good match, oh, Pilman had a good match,

oh, shit, and the internet's like, oh, shit, and the internet's like, what, you know, a good match, what's that? You know, so, but I've heard a lot of good feedback, and I personally really enjoyed sharing the ring with Austin Ares just recently on MLW. Sure. And being that MLW, obviously, I've had, had a lot of killer matches on the indies.

And I would say that's my strength is on like the indie, the house shows where I can really just be me. Not all of those are filmed, right? Not all of those are good footage where I really want to show somebody. But this match with areas was something that I really was proud of. I showed a lot of people and a lot of people watched it. And it was the main event of that show. And while it is a shorter match, it's a TV style match.

It kind of showcases my personality and who I am. Yeah. So what goals? to you have, you know, two years into the business now, probably 22 more to go, if not 32 more. What are the goals that you have maybe in the immediate future? And then, you know, as we continue to look a decade or two from now. Oh, I had something else I was going to say, but never mind on that one. Oh, well, I was just going to say, I had some great matches in England, too, because the wrestlers there are so, they're just so keen.

They're so on point. Yeah, yeah. I actually, it took me a while to get to that level while I was over there. Yeah, that British style. Yeah. And David Starr was one of the guys that really pushed me to my limit. And while it wasn't my favorite match, it was one of the matches I think I learned the most from. Okay.

Yeah. Glad we circled back to that. And that's online too. Okay. There we go. Sorry. Just wanted to touch all the bases on there. And you said, you said.

Yeah. So what are like some of the goals that you have? Maybe in the immediate future. And then, you know, as we look ahead, five and 10 and 20 years. Yeah. that's, dude, that's so tough because, like I said, everything's happened so fast for me. It's like if I set a goal, it's like a week later that goal has been crushed, right? Well, then you better start setting bigger goals.

So that's what I'm saying. I've been trying to slow things down a little bit and really focus on what I'm doing with major league wrestling, right? Because all these other opportunities coming from different companies, just that and the other. Those companies aren't going anywhere. You know what I mean? Ring of Honor is not going anywhere. All elite wrestling is not going anywhere. We know damn well, WWA is going anywhere.

They're going to be around for a while. It's a huge plethora of wrestling out there. And while everybody's been kind of focused on what the grass is greener over here, oh, this is shiny over here, I've quickly realized in the humblest way possible to water my grass where it's at. So my goals are kind of within MLW to sort of keep my yard freshly watered. That's the best friend. And honestly, too, because if other companies see that I'm busting my ass here, they're going to want to bring me in, right?

But if I show, you know, separatism and if I show, oh, you know, I really don't want to be here, I want to go work for them because they got more money or this or the other, then it's like, are you going to do that the next time? Like, are you going to do that at the next company you're at? And the next company, are you always going to be kind of trying to leave and trying to get going? Or it's like, oh, I got this contract still. Why don't I bust my ass here? And honestly, I wish all the best luck to guys at the WB or wherever they're at with people

that leave because they're. They want more work. To me, that shows you're ambitious and you want more business. You want more matches. You want more work. To me, if you want to work harder and not necessarily make more money, it's because you love wrestling, right? Yeah.

So if I want to, if I want to work harder, I'm on a contract with MLW. I'm going to work harder there. I'm going to work harder, have good matches there. Yeah. Because the people are going to see it. For sure. People are going to watch me. Yeah.

I don't care what acronym I'm under. The other companies are going to see it. The other companies are going to be, oh, shit, this kid's kids, can ask. Well, and I think the biggest thing you touched on there is the grass is always greener where you water it. Exactly. It's so easy to go, oh, man, my career would be great in that company or that company or that company. Or you can take what you have in front of you. And this doesn't just apply to wrestling. Yeah. This applies to any aspect of your life. That you go, if I actually just work on this and focus on this, I can make this the best possible scenario. And like I said,

the mobility of where I've been going has been so quick while I just settle down for a little bit and actually, you know, hone my craft within that TV landscape. I think MLW has great production value. They do. Great crew. Yep. And you're still so young. Yeah.

So, you know, you can chill out. Let me breathe a little bit. Yeah. Play some more video games. I'm not trying to be a 24-7, like the Rock tomorrow. You know, Rock wakes up at 40. Rock wasn't even that guy until, what, 10 years ago maybe? I mean, probably doing a lot of that same stuff before.

But Rock's plate wasn't this full until he was, yeah. And he's a busy guy. You look at guys like Jericho. They're busy guys, you know. Jericho's, you know, close to 50. I've had people like, well, don't you get into movies and you start a rap album. I'm like, I just started wrestling. A rap.

Are you a rapper? You know, I freestyle on the side. I'm so sorry, I didn't know this. No, I'm kidding. But like, just as, I don't think you are kidding. This was like a joke. But like, you know, you see a guy like Chris Jericho or like Enzo Amore that are making music on the side. And then I think of the music that inspires me, which was, you know, it's like hip-hop.

rock like I like a lot of different things I'm like oh well what if I did make music what if I did do acting but that's the thing you don't want to spread yourself too thin yeah well I think the thing that I'm realized I just don't want you to make me freestyle under the show oh so he does freestyle there it is I don't like to right now I just woke up fine we'll just we'll look at your Instagram story the day that this interview drops take a look at the Graham took a look at the Graham take a look at my fam you know where I come it's already how you know who I stand it's already I just can't stop.

We've got to get you verified on this interview until we call the cops. Wow. I know. Verification on the gram is the toughest. It's not easy. There was a little taste of my bars that I just spit. And that was all freestyle, too. That was good.

We didn't plan that. I didn't write that. Yeah. But I'm not a rapper. A freestyle? But I'm not a rapper. Okay. But I'm not a rapper.

Is this the hook of your song? That's a meme that you don't get. I went, shoo. I'm sorry. But the viewers. The viewers will know. The people that know.

But I'm not a rapper. The people that know, no. But I'm not. Everybody else is with me going. I'm not a rapper. I'm a fighter. I'm a wrestler. I'm an athlete.

And I'm a sane. I'm a super sane. Who's? Tell me I'm not. What? Tell me I'm not. Is this a meme too? Do it.

Do it. We've circled right back around to promo mode now. Started the interview with the promo. All right, I'm done. I'll do the next question. All right. That's the best question you got for me. Yeah, I don't know about that one.

Well, thanks for making this happen. We're going to go lift some weights. Yeah, we got to do that. That's what we do because we're mad and we're grown. Yeah, well, I guess so. In the last year, though, since we did this interview, have you put on some size? You know, what's changed for you there?

I want to say the fitness has gravitated more towards, you know, being lean and sexy, you know, I think, I think if you're, if you're under six foot, and I'm, I'm about 5.11 and a half, you know, I'm about six foot. But, you know, you're never going to be the biggest guy in the room. Yeah. And Rip Rogers always told me it's better to be a sexy fuck boy than a big fat lineman. Yeah, you're right. You're never going to be the biggest guy. Yeah. And you know, it's like, why not focus on? As long as you can embrace, I'm not a body guy. Yeah. You know, then. Like I think like body as in like tone and definition.

Well, sure. Sex appeal. Yeah. Yeah. But I think big iron, you know, sledgehammer, you know, pick up a guy and throw him in the air. Like I don't think I should go for that. Like I don't think I don't foresee that look for me. But let's be honest.

The sex appeal comes. We got to get jacked. The sex appeal comes from there. Right here. It's the, it's the. It's this. Let's be honest. We still want to get, you know, we still want to pipe them up.

You see that tan? Wow. Man, geez. Let's be honest. We all want to. be jacked we all want to be brian cage let's just be honest he's very large yeah

I think he has trouble traveling on airplanes because he's so large oh yeah yeah a lot of big airplane guys I hate airplanes sometimes my knees yeah huh the knees will get you well thank you I'm so pumped it's not even been two years I'm so excited for everything you have going on two years from now think of how much further

you're going to be yeah that's a scary thing and that's why I said I just want to sit back and like be able to take take a minute and make some decisions for myself you know personally and professionally yeah so well thank you it's nice to settle down and I like I said I appreciate MLW for all the opportunities I appreciate AEW for for creating a whole new economy for wrestlers to yes to search for and to strive to be and to work for so and who knows maybe you'll follow in your father's footsteps and go to WWE one day yeah and that's the thing that's completely an option too I don't want people to think that I'm going anywhere just yet I'm sitting right here where I'm at and I'm learning and I'm

progressing as a professional one that's the thing you're gonna stay right here gonna keep getting better and then when you are ready to go on to something else boom goes to dynamite I'm lightning in a bottle you know what shows called dynamite oh oh oh why you blow it that was supposed to be a subliminal message sorry sorry everyone now they know that's it there we go we blew it Well, there you go, my friend. A great conversation with Brian Pilman, Jr. And let me tell you, that was one heck of a workout.

Although I have to admit, it's hard to work out with him because after every set, like literally every set, someone's coming up to him to ask him about his hair. I'm not joking. It's whether they know him from wrestling or not, it's just hair that brings people in. It's glorious, magnetic hair that draws. people in. Don't you wish you had hair like that? I wish I had hair like that. Guys, he's only 26 years old. We're going to be seeing a lot more Brian Pilman Jr. In the years to come. And not just Brian Pilman. There are so many great wrestlers in their

early to mid-20s that are going to be tearing it up for decades to come. I mean, Sammy Gavara, Flip Gordon, Leo Rush, Austin Theory, Reho, MJF, Jungle Boy. And now I've gone down to this rabbit hole where if I don't name the person that you're thinking, you're going to be like, well, come on, CVV, how come you didn't say so and so? That's not the point here. You know what I mean? I'm making a general point that the future of pro wrestling is looking very bright and it's in great hands with all of this young talent. And I love the fact that Brian Pilman Jr. had this stable corporate job, this Monday to Friday job that he could have worked in for the rest of his life and probably retired from with a nice little pension. But that wasn't what excited him. That wasn't what

he wanted to do. And he left it behind to chase after this thing called pro wrestling. And this, I think it's Martin Luther King Jr. who said it best. If you can't fly, then run. If you can't run, then walk. If you can't walk, then crawl. But by all means, keep moving. So my friend, keep moving into this weekend. If you happen to be listening to this during the into this week, but whatever you do, keep moving, keep pushing forward towards those specific goals because you know that vague goals get vague results and specific goals get specific results. Boom! Enjoy your week.

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