Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Cathy Kelley On Rhea Ripley, WWE Backstage Interviews, Training At The Performance Center, SmackDown

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

Cathy Kelley (@catherinekelley) is a broadcaster and backstage interviewer with WWE. She sits down with Chris Van Vliet at West Coast Creative Studio in Los Angeles, CA to discuss being knocked over during the brawl between Liv Morgan and Stephanie Vaquer, training at the WWE Performance Center and possibly getting physical in WWE, her emotional moment when R-Truth made his return, being backstage when CM Punk made his WWE return, learning from Paul Heyman, being a member of Mensa, her TikToks with Rhea Ripley and AJ Styles, and more! Please support our sponsors: HELIX SLEEP: Flash sale! Go to https://helixsleep.com/cvv for 27% off sitewide! COZY EARTH: Go to https://cozyearth.com/CVV for up to 20% off! BEAM: Go to https://shopbeam.com/INSIGHT and use code INSIGHT for up to 40% off Beam’s Dream Powder DELETEME: Use the code INSIGHT to get 20% off your DeleteMe plan at https://joindeleteme.com/INSIGHT FACTOR: Get 50% off your first box, plus Free Breakfast for 1 Year with the code INSIGHT50OFF at https://factormeals.com/INSIGHT50OFF PURE PLANK: The future of core fitness! Use the code CVV to save 10% on Pure Plank designed by Adam Copeland & Christian: https://gopureplank.com/cvv SEAT GEEK: Use my code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order*: https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/CVV Sponsored by SeatGeek. *Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount NORDVPN: Exclusive deal! https://nordvpn.com/cvv Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee! PRIZEPICKS: Download the PrizePicks app today and use code INSIGHT to get $50 bonus credit in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! For more information about Chris and INSIGHT go to: https://chrisvanvliet.com If you have ever enjoyed any of these episodes, could I ask you to please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcast or Spotify? It takes less than a minute and makes a huge difference in helping to spread the word about the show and also to convince some hard-to-get guests. Follow CVV on social media: Instagram: instagram.com/ChrisVanVliet Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisVanVliet Facebook: facebook.com/ChrisVanVliet YouTube: youtube.com/ChrisVanVliet TikTok: tiktok.com/@Chris.VanVliet Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Van Flea! Oh, it is so good to see you. It's good to see you, too. Thank you for coming back in. Yeah, I feel like I see you on random red carpets occasionally. Yes. A wrestler has a movie coming out. Like Killers Game, Dave Batista?

Yeah, that was a fun one. That was so fun. I just heard Chris, and I turned around like, Kathy Kelly. Hey, what's going on? Yeah, that was my first time interviewing Dave. He's so nice. He's so sweet. Yeah.

What a legend. So humble, too. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, like you talk to Dave and he's like, he can't seem to wrap his head around how famous he is. Yeah. I get that, though. Like, sometimes people call me a celebrity.

I'm like, no, I'm just friends with them. Like I'm adjacent to them. Yeah, you get to like. I mean, I'm nowhere near Dave Batista. Right. Yeah. Who is? You get to put the mic in the face of the famous people.

Exactly. When people say to me like, oh, yeah, you're like some sort of celebrity. I don't know, I talk to the celebrities. I just, I get to listen to their stories. Yeah. That's it. Although if you're on the show now, this show. Yeah.

I think that makes you a celebrity. I don't know. Welcome. Derry's still out. No. I saw you there at that red carpet in particular. And I was like, you just, you looked so jacked. And maybe it's just, maybe it's what you're normally wearing on TV.

Yeah. But for that particular red carpet, do you remember what you were wearing? I had my butt out for that one. You had abs. Yeah. You had abs out. Oh, yeah. Yes.

That was it. Yeah. And I was like, whoa, she's not even flexing. What's the secret here? I mean, I've been, I've been working out a lot more. I feel like people used to make fun of me. They're like she's all cardio. She's a string bean.

So I decided. I mean, it was for my mental health, I think during COVID. I started weight training. And then it's just kind of spiraled. So now I love even doubling up on certain days. So what's like a typical week of workouts then? Week of workouts. I just did EMS this morning with EMS.

It's this electrical pulse suit. that you wear while doing weight training. So it feels like three workouts in one session. They're about 20, 25 minutes long. And you have someone guide you through the session, a trainer. But it was so fun. And I'm sorry, I didn't shower after. So I just got ready. My friend sat with me while I got ready. But yeah. But you arrived on time. I arrived on time. A couple minutes early. You did that workout with Seamus. Oh, yeah. The booty blast. Yeah. I had a PR for that one. Like, were you preparing to do that? No.

He just, he pushes you. So he needs to work on his planks, though. That's one thing that I learned. He's shaken, right? Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like he does that in every episode, right? Well, I think the thing, I don't want to speak out of turn here, but I think he's used to his

workout. And that's why he loves the Celtic warrior workout because it's throwing him into something completely different. It's like confusing the muscles. That's how your muscles grow, right? No, absolutely. I heard recently that I think it was the Kansas City Chiefs make their linebackers do Pilates because it trains muscles that they aren't used to working out in a gym setting.

That's brilliant. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. I could see that. All of them. Yeah. So, I mean.

Well, he can't skip lug day when he's working out with the girls. Right. And you put them through it. Mm-hmm. The booty blaster. Apparently. Yeah. So you're lifting weights sometimes and you're doing cardio.

You're the Cardio Queen. Waits, Pilates. I really enjoy classes and working out with friends because I feel like that's the time that I get with them. So it motivates me that much more. And you get the time before to hang out? Yeah. Get the time after to get a $20 air one smoothie or something. Exactly.

I mean, that one is pretty delicious. But I know what you're talking about here. So that's a typical week and you're working this in with travel too, right? Mm-hmm. On the road, it's a little tough. So I try to get them in there, but it's challenging when you're, especially West Coast flying in, having to be up a little bit earlier. But get them in while I'm here. Are you leaving Thursday?

Is it Thursday to Saturday? Thursday to Saturday. Yeah. Except for a PLE weekend. Except for a PLE weekends when we've been going overseas. I feel like all of January was a different country. And then I've done it. a lot of double duty this year so far. So trying to get workouts in when I can.

We're typically seeing you on SmackDown now. Yes. Yeah. So you've officially made the move to Smackdown? I am officially on Smackdown. Yeah. But then again, you can pop up on Raw at any point in time. Yeah. Yeah. Is it different being on Raw versus Smackdown? Um, I mean, I think every single time that I switch, it's just relearning the roster. Um, I think we talked about this last time is just like developing a different relationship with each superstar so that that stays like a through line and having to remember what's happened in the past, I think. Is the actual day of work on Raw or SmackDown any different? No, it's the same.

I mean, other than it being either half an hour longer or shorter, I feel like it's pretty much the same. But Raw sometimes fills the commercial breaks or they do fill in commercial breaks, right? So there might be promos that people aren't seeing here in the U.S., but they're playing on Netflix internationally. So are there more interview segments because of that? I would say SmackDown has a fair bit. We had like five or six this past Friday. So there's always a lot of work on both shows. But I do love those commercial break segments because I feel like people can really be themselves. It reminds me more so of that era that we were doing a lot of interviews on digital, where it's

kind of off the cuff. And I love being in that environment where you're just surrounded by by fans. It just, I feel like it brings a different energy to it. Walk us through what a typical day would be like. So you show up on Friday for Smackdown. Where does it go from there? Show up Friday. And what's called time typically? Depending on where we're at. It depends on the time zone. Yeah, 1 p.m. Eastern. Try to hop right into makeup. If I don't get a seat, I'll go to catering and I'll get some espresso. And then you kind of figure out what you're doing for the day, maybe go out. out by the ring.

Joe Tess and I have gotten really close. So I'll usually sit next to him until Wade kicks me out of his chair. Man, Joe Tess is so good. He is so good at what he does. He's also a really great person. I love talking to him. I feel like he's kind of become a pseudo family member. But he's always encouraging me to do, to pitch more stuff to get more involved.

So I got a random phone call from him. He's like, I'm listening to your podcast. now, and I'm hearing that you were sitting two rows behind me at Anaheim. And I'm like, well, yeah, I didn't want to bug you. You were working. I'm like, wait a second. You're listening to my podcast right now while I'm talking about you? He is one of those people.

He has extra hours in the day somehow. I don't understand how he gets it all done, how he prepares for football in the midst of knowing everything about wrestling. It's just, it's insane to me. Yeah. Okay, so you get a little bit of the rundown of the day. Yeah. Joe Tess is going over this with you.

Yeah, hanging out with him. And then we usually start to get filming. So yeah. Do you get a breakdown of like this many segments with this many people? This many are going to be pre-taped. This many are going to be live. I don't, I mean, sometimes I know which is going to be which a lot of the time it changes on the fly just based off of camera crews and everything else. But I kind of know what's going on for the day on the show. What is the shortest amount of time you've had to prepare for a backstage segment? I don't know that I've had a short amount of time. Well, I mean, like, I have had short amount of time to prepare for things.

Back in the day, we used to have this thing called Plan B, which was when you had a set amount of time on USA Network. If, for whatever reason, a match went short or someone got injured or something happened, I would have to be sitting in Gorilla ready to do an interview at the last second. And, you know, fill that time until it goes off. With whoever. With whoever. So every single week I would sit there and wait for the potential of that to happen.

And I think there was only once or twice that I actually got your pieced up and ready to go. But are there times where it's like, we need something right now. So Sammy Zane's coming in here right now. You've got a segment. I feel like Sammy could talk on his own. He doesn't meet me. Yeah. Or Godi Rose is going to come in here.

Everybody can talk on the room. Yeah. I feel like maybe more so on the countdown shows or the post shows for PLEs, those you have very little time to prepare for. And those are kind of up in the air of if someone's walking behind you, you just try to grab them in the moment. Wow. And that's happened a couple times. If you were watching Backlash, you might have seen a face that you recognize sitting behind Michael Cole and Wade Barrett. Not only did I have those awesome seats.

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Square up. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. Let's go. If you were to break this down for someone who's not a wrestling fan, what do you do for a living? I interview the wrestlers. Yeah, I would say, I guess I'm on the commentary team. I'm a backstage interviewer, and I get to talk to the wrestlers.

And then usually they'll ask, oh, do you fight too? And I say, look at my muscles. Does it look like I fight? Well, I mean, kind of. I don't know what kind of flex this was. Yeah. I think it's more like this, right? Yeah.

But you're also kind of, you're teeing them up. Like that's really the best part about what you guys do as a backstage interviewer. You are setting the stage and you're saying like, here you go, here's your chance to shine. Yeah. Like it's the ability to like, all right, to match with this person. We're telling you why this is important. You take it from here, Superstar. I feel like I wouldn't necessarily say this to someone who's asking me my job,

but I feel like I am the conduit for the audience. I'm the closest that the audience gets to talking to the superstar. So that's kind of what I always have in the back of my head when I'm reacting or when I'm interviewing someone. You're getting the scoops. Yeah, getting the scoops. There are a lot of times when like we're relying what's going on here. Trying to put the pieces together. We can rely on Kathy Kelly to figure this out for us.

It's good to know that I'm reliable. Money in the bank last year here in Los Angeles. Yeah. Our truth returned after being released and he made his return there. that was an emotional moment for you when you were reporting about it. Yeah. What was going on there for you? He is someone that I feel like brings such a positive morale to work every week.

And we had obviously gotten closer because we had done a lot of TikToks together. But he's just such a positive person. And I feel like he's that for everyone in the locker room. so, you know, not getting to say goodbye to someone is always tough. And then when he came back, I think that that was just really special for everyone. Was that the first time you've gotten emotional on camera? In that capacity, probably. In a live shot, yeah.

Yeah. I think in that moment, you were all of us. Yeah. Because, like, our truth is so beloved. whether you know him just as a character or you get to know Ron the person. He's the best. And I think in that moment that we were you going, our guy is back. Yeah.

That was such a beautiful moment. Yeah. And look at him now. As we sit here as a tag team champion. I know. I know. Him and Damien. Who would have thought?

Yeah. Who were your closest friends in WWA? I don't think anyone will be shocked to hear Kevin Owens. It's one of my closest. I love the bronze as well. Bronson Reed, Grawley Pop for Life. What kind of bands is he into when you say Guraly Pop?

Oh, everything. Like, we'll listen to Sabrina Carpenter and we'll also listen to like death metal. So he's just constantly, we send songs to each other on Spotify or artists. And it's something different every week. He is the last person anyone would expect to be into girly pop.

I mean, I feel like my musical taste, I feel like, is a wide variety, but his is even more so. Yeah, last time he was on the show, we were doing, like, pop punk Mount Rushmore. I get it. That's cool. He was wearing, I can't remember what band t-shirt he was wearing, but, like, I didn't think he'd be into, like, Sabrina Carbender. No, I always find it so fascinating of also being friends with Dakota Kai, of people that grew up on the literal opposite end of the earth. having such a similar upbringing or musical taste or whatever that is of, you know, would have been friends in high school if we knew each other.

Yeah. Oh, I love that. Who else? So you got the bronze? Yes. I would say Alexa Bliss is becoming a closer friend. There's just, I mean, how do it? She lives out here, right?

Yes. Well, part time. Okay. Yeah. What's your friendship slash relationship with Ria Ripley? I mean, we're close, but I feel like she's been closer recently to E.O. Sky. What's going on there? With me.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you've had some moments with Ria Ripley. We have had some moments. They have yet to do as many TikToks together, so I think we still have that. The one where you're sitting on Ria Ripley's lap. Which one is that? I feel like there are multiple of them.

Which time? Yeah. Oh, the one right before our interview. Yeah, last year at WrestleMania. Well, it starts out where it looks like it's a normal shot. Yeah. And then the camera reveals that you're sitting on her lap. It's usually me explaining what I want to film with her and her just laughing and be like, okay.

Well, there's one where she's like, one arm deadlifting you. Yes. Like, we know Rio Ripley's straw and like stop showing off. Yeah. I think she would have achieved the, I don't want to. say like I helped in any way. Like she would have achieved the success that she has now. She is one of the top, if not the top female superstars in WWE today. But I like to think that I was the one that made all of the other girls that do TikToks with Ria Ripley, like just fawn over her.

So like you're saying that you found a new audience on TikTok. I started the trend. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you've you've reeled in a lot of people for TikToks. Like people where you're like, how do you get that person if you're like? When I saw it. When I saw you and AJ Stiles doing this lip-sick thing. I knew where you were going, yeah. On TikTok. Like, how'd you get AJ to say yes? I mean, I think AJ was just willing to do it.

He, one, he has kids, but we had a close relationship. He always, he and I would always joke about our hair being the same. And especially when I'm wearing my glasses, you can't tell us apart. Yeah. So. Yeah. You guys are virtually identical. So that's how it started.

And then I think it snowballed from there. And it's so funny for a guy who's that good in the ring and also like that serious of a character that he has this like goofy side to him. I mean, he's, he is so personable. And I think that some of that comes off on screen, but just another person who I feel like is just, positive morale as him. Yeah, and he's one of those people that, like, nobody has anything bad to say about AJ Stiles. Like, he's just so, like, so, it's just a great guy, a great guy.

Yeah. You dressed up as Ria Ripley for Halloween. I did. And I got to say, because you did this, like, carousel of photos. You did her stomp. I did. Like, you got the flexibility to, like, nail it. Yeah.

That photo's impressive. Thank you. Yeah. We were all dressing up that day, actually, for Alexa Bliss's daughter, Hendrick. She was coming to work. And so we wanted to celebrate Halloween for her. And originally, I was going to be Tobias Fuenke as a blue man. And what a great reference to Arrestes Development.

He blew himself. He did. Yeah, he blew himself. I had the jorts because I was going to be a never-nude. and I got the blue paint and I had like a nude-colored body suit, and that didn't arrive in time. So I was forced to come up with a different Halloween costume. And I had all of that in my closet. You're telling me that great Rio Ripley costume was a fallback?

Yes. That wasn't even the original plan. No. You were going to paint yourself blue? Parts of myself. Is that going to be this year's Halloween costume? Maybe. Maybe we've already ruined it for everybody.

I mean, a couple years ago, the entire locker room, but we dressed up as Michael Hayes. I saw that. Yes. Yeah, and I happened to be wearing the same color as him that day. So I feel like I won. They were all really good. What did Michael think of this? He was dumbfounded.

He was at a loss for words, which is rare for Michael. But he loved it. We recently saw you get knocked over in the ring. Yeah. So you're doing this segment with Liv Morgan and Stephanie Vicar. And you get knocked over. Yeah. Is this going to turn into something?

I mean, I feel like that is just a workplace hazard. And I am normally pretty good about getting out of the way. Who's to say if it'll turn into something? Well, all the comments on that video were saying justice for Kathy. Yeah. So maybe things with Rio Ripley, maybe Rio Ripley can come to your defense. maybe you could step up. Do you think you could? Maybe. Would you ever want to have a match?

I don't think I would want to have a match. I've expressed in the past that I do want to get more involved in some capacity. And what's that look like you think? I would love to be a manager. I don't know who for. That's been something that I've said for probably a decade now. I actually valeted Ryan Katz in his last match on the Indies many, many years ago. But that, I mean, that progression is something that I would want. So there was a report out that you were training at the PC. So were you spending some time there? Where'd you hear that? The internet. Everything you read on the internet's true, right? I mean, I would say that I'm someone that really values growth and I love learning everything that I can about this business.

So any opportunity that I can do that, I'm going to take it. Another example is I sit next to Paul Heyman every single week in Gorilla. Oh, wow. Just you learn through osmosis by sitting next to him. but yeah, I really enjoy that. What do you think is the biggest thing you've learned from Paul Heyman? I mean, there's so many lessons. I don't even know where to start, but this isn't the best thing that I've learned from him.

But when I was wearing glasses and I cut my bangs, he's like, you have to get rid of that because we can't see your eyes. And your eyes are where you tell your emotion. So there's just a lot of little things that I think. think that he's, you know, he helps so many people backstage, but I've picked up on from him. I'm going to assume that maybe you did some training, so how did that first bump fit? I took bumps years ago. The ring then was not well padded, so those were not great feeling. But, you know, I've said this before, like even running the ropes hurts.

Oh, running the ropes hurts. Yeah. And like the next morning you wake up with a bruise all over your line. I know. You're like, what the heck? You eventually get calloused. It's, I mean, it's a completely different kind of cardio. Isn't that the wildest thing to explain to somebody? Yeah. Like, oh, running against this elevator cable, your body will eventually get used to it.

You don't. Yeah. The first time you hit the ropes, it's like, hmm. Oh, it just like takes it right out of you. Yeah. Wild. Yeah. Getting to sip aside Paul Heyman. It's every week? Whenever I don't have an interview, I'm pretty much sat there. And is he just like, is it like watching a maestro at work? I mean, I feel like he is just watching everything.

But when he gives advice to others, sometimes I'm there and I get to hear that. So I feel very privileged to be around that. And then also I just, I'll, you know, randomly watch a documentary and start asking him questions about ECW. So it's just, it's cool to like have the source right there. I recently watched Ravens documentary, which was so good. And then, you know, you get to pick his brain about it. And like you're watching ECW now, right? Like I don't imagine you were watching in the 90s.

I mean, I started watching wrestling in 2012, 2013, which is kind of ironic that the girls that were at the top of their game back then or now back now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like there was, there was some rough storylines in the early 2010s. Yeah. But it's like it definitely picked up there in the end of that decade. It was enough to reel me in, so. And then that's it, you were hooked. And this was before you were working in wrestling.

Yeah, this was, I mean, I just moved to L.A. I was working for that podcast network AfterBuzz and working on the Bachelor, Bachelorette franchise. And it happened to air the same night. Monday Night Raw, and I got really close to the hosts, and I started watching, and I became hooked. Look at you now. Yeah. Who's your all-time favorite? And you can't say Rear Ripley.

No, I was going to say A.J. Lee. A.J. Lee. Yeah. What about on the men's side? On the men's side? I do love some Dave Batista. Yeah. Man.

Yeah. And one of the best entrance themes of all time. I mean, Triple H pulling his nose. piercing out with a, what was it? Pliers. Plyers. Yeah. Oh, man.

You know, Batista didn't tell anybody he was going to retire. Really? This one out there had his match and then at the end was like, all right, that was it, guys. Unbelievable. Maybe that's the way to go. You posted this photo. Can I ask you about this girl? Who's that?

Yeah. Judging by this photo, it was in 2002. So. Junior high. Okay. Yeah. I feel like I'm still her. Yeah?

Yeah. I don't even know that it looks that much like you. You don't think so? I see it a bit in the eyes. I feel like I haven't changed when I put on my glasses. Maybe it's like she's all that. We're like they take the glasses off and they go, oh, wow. I very much felt like that in high school.

I was a very, very shy kid. I don't think I knew if or when people. people were making fun of me. I had like one friend and um very in like very classic, uh, 90s, early 2000s movies. Uh, I went to prom with my gay best friend. So it was just like, you couldn't have written it. You feel like people were making fun of you then? Back then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm so sorry to hear that. I wouldn't say that I was like bullied ever, but, um, I specifically remember, especially in high school. school, like moments where like the entire class is laughing at you.

I mean, I remember those moments for me. For sure, I got bullied growing up. Isn't it funny that you can talk to almost anybody? And they all have a story about life. Yeah. And you remember exactly what it was. Of course. You remember the people, their names and the exact moment.

It's not awful. Yeah. When do you feel like you grew into the Kathy Kelly who's sitting in front of us right now? I feel like, along with liking and wanting growth, I think that I am ever-changing of, I don't recognize the person that I was a year ago. I don't recognize the person that I was five years ago or 10 years ago. I think the people that knew me in grade school or high school would have called me very shy. I don't think they knew me from when I went off to college. So I don't know if that answers the question, but. What does growth look like for you now? Like if you're constantly chasing growth and becoming someone else, what's that look like for you?

I think it's doing a lot of self work. I don't know that I always had the most confidence growing up and really just stepping into that. I would say I just, I love learning about myself, about psychology, about random facts. So, yeah. Like, just like looking up random facts? I mean, not looking up random facts, but like I'll get into a mode where I just really enjoy learning about a specific topic. Oh, I love that.

Yeah. So whether it's like a world war or it's a former world leader or something like that. Are you reading a lot? This year it's been a little bit less, but typically I'll go through a book every couple weeks. So like, are you bringing a book on a plane with you? I mean, you spend a lot of time on planes? Yeah, especially the overseas trips. Oh, sure.

Yeah. And then also that's how I recharge at home. I feel like I just read a book. When you look back at your WWE debut, what do you think of that? Crazy. Yeah. I don't recognize that girl, but I also know what I was going through. What do you mean?

I was beyond nervous that day. I think I was overthinking everything. I don't know that I was ready for the opportunity. And I was just, you know, like overwhelmed because you're meeting a lot of the people that you look up to. and you know that you're capable of it, but you just also really want to do a good job. And I am probably my harshest critic. And I don't think that I did a great job that week or that day.

Did you watch it back? I'm sure I have at some point. But like, did you go home that day and you're like, I was just on WWE? No, no. But you watched it back since and you were like, yeah, I can definitely improve on that. I'm sure I watched it back since,

but I also know I feel a lot more confident in my position now. Do you watch your stuff now? Not really unless someone tags me in it. Yeah. And you're like, oh, I remember that promo. Yeah. I mean, I do watch the shows all the way back. Like, I'll watch Ron Smackdown every single week.

But you're not specifically watching for... My segments? No. Do people do that? I feel like early in my TV career, I would watch back my segments just to like try to get better. Yeah. And it's, as you know, it's weird watching yourself back the first like 4,000 times until you get used to like, oh, wow, I do like curl my lip up when I talk or like, that's what my voice sounds like.

Like you have to get like past that. Yeah. And then you can finally be like, oh. And I think for me it was like I was editing a lot of my own stuff. Yes. So now you're like forced to like not only watch yourself, but like watch yourself say the same word 20 times. I had to do a lot of that when I was doing red carpet interview. So I get it.

And don't you feel like red carpet interviews are just a beast in themselves? Like for people that don't know, you're standing in this spot that's like maybe two feet wide. You've barely got elbow room because you're surrounded by other people that are also trying to do these interviews. And then when the big star comes by, you're lucky to get them to stop for you. And then you're even luckier if they answer one question for you. And then, of course, on red carp is still like, would you like, would you like to talk to

this unimportant person that has really no affiliation to this movie or TV show. Yeah. You're like, yeah, I guess so. I didn't really plan this out. Yeah. I mean, I feel like that also prepares you to do interviews last second because you just have to talk to somebody. Well, you have to have a rolodex of like, we got to talk about something. Yes. You've got to have four or five go-to questions that, like, if I don't know anything about this person who has just been put in front of me for this interview, we've got to make this sound like a coherent conversation. Yeah. I, uh, I know Jason Kennedy pretty well. Oh, he's great. And he used to have binders for award shows. And I'm like, how do you memorize all of that

information? It's crazy. Do you feel the same way with what you do for WWE? Like, do you have a, maybe it's not something written out, but like you've got, you know if, if I'm doing excitement with this person, I know where they're out in the storyline. Yeah. I know where they're trying to get with their storyline. We can focus on this. Yeah, it's a little. Yeah, it's a little. little different because you're not having to memorize all of these facts at any given moment. But yeah, you have to keep up with what everyone's doing. You did an interview with Rusev. Yeah.

And your reaction has been me. Do you know the one I'm talking about? Yes, I know. That was actually... I think that's all on him, though. It's for sure all on him. Because you're just like, is it going to stop? Yeah.

No, I've seen that and they'll play it at like two times the speed. Or I don't know if you've seen the version where they cut it where, he was yelling for, I don't know, four seconds in real life. Yeah. They've made a version where he's yelling for like a minute straight. And it just keeps cutting back to you like, it's a beautiful thing. Yeah. But that's, I mean, that's why those interviews, those are the commercial break ones.

That's where it was from. but I think they're an opportunity to make it a moment because a lot of stuff these days, I feel like lives on the internet and grows from there. Well, the beautiful thing about where we're at with wrestling right now is it doesn't need to happen on Raw or Smackdown. Like something could happen in a podcast that becomes a storyline. Yes. Or someone could say something on a red carpet that gets clipped and it gets turned into a storyline. Fans are so in tune to everything that's going on that if someone tweets something, that could be worked into like a promo or storyline.

And I love that like that's getting, that's a thing with these commercial break spots, especially on like raw Netflix. Yeah. Where it's like this thing could happen that only existed for the international audience or the people in the arena that picks up some steam and turns into something. Yeah. I mean, I think that's why I kind of miss them doing those digital interviews because. there's so much more leeway as a performer to do something really fun and cool. Yeah. And, you know, I feel like I've been doing a three-year-long storyline on my TikTok.

So, but I mean, like, I pitched that when I came back, not that specifically, but I told them of how cool would it be to start storylines digitally or start it in a different platform and then carry it over to TV because you're already going to have. a built an audience. Can you think of an example where like things really got going on the digital side when when those interviews were happening? Um, I mean, I specifically remember there were a few people that I've interviewed that I pitched for them to have longer promos on TV because I'm like, they're really, really good. They're good at telling their story. They're good at emoting. And I think some of those things happened. What are some of the things you felt like you needed to work on? Like if we look back at your first year and we look at where you're at now,

what do you think are the things you fine-tuned? Probably just confidence. And that just comes with doing it, right? Yeah, yeah. I think that over time you get more comfortable. I'm someone that I think my work is always going to be better if it's someone that I'm friends with. But yeah, I think it's confidence. I see a lot of I'm a Kathy Kelly guy T-shirts. Every time I see one, I feel like stopping the

person taking a photo and then I'm going to like text it to you. Yeah. They're at every show. Yeah. I think it's so funny of, obviously, that's, you know, Paul Heyman's thing and it was a rip off of that. But to have those out there and then be so close with him now, I don't know, put it into the universe, I guess. Or signs, too. Like, I'll see signs that are like, I'm here for Kathy Kelly. Yeah. Amazing. You're over. There was this guy, Kellyn, who had one at WrestleMania, and he managed to get it in every single shot on the post show. It's like, I don't know how he did it, but it looked like he moved, knowing where the care was every single time.

So it was in like all the shots, which is just... What did it say? It just, I think it said, um, Kathy Kelly rocks or something like that. Not untrue. Yeah. I had Maxine Dupree on the show not long ago. Yeah. And I was asking her about like, if we could bring back Total Divas, who would be on the show.

Yeah. She listed off a bunch of people. You were one of them. Oh. So maybe we should start, you know, putting this out into the world. I feel like now is probably the best time to bring it back because not only do have some of the OGs there, but more and more people I think are hungry for that kind of content. They want to see what it's like behind the scenes and see what our lives are really like.

In the vein of reality shows, Joe Tess actually tried to know. nominate me to be the Bachelorette recently. Oh, yeah? Yeah, he's friends with people at ABC, the producers of the show, because he worked on a similar show on ABC, and then he's also friends with Jesse, the host. So I think there was a text exchange of sending in my information, which didn't lead to anything, but... Would you be open to being the Bachelorette?

I wouldn't say no right now. Like, I think I would explore it. Okay. if it was the right opportunity. Do you think you could find true love on a reality show? So people always, they say that it's not possible, but I know some couples that have come from there. And, you know, there are a few. Yeah.

There are definitely more that didn't work out. It's probably better than my dating plan right now, which is just be on my couch and hopefully someone shows up. Like knocks on your door? Yeah, yeah. I'm here. I mean, I work so much. So it's like not really ideal for meeting someone. I met my wife on Hinge.

Oh, I thought you were going to say on a reality dating show. Could you imagine? Yeah, I was the Bachelor. I was pitched to be the Bachelor in Canada. Oh, that would have been cool. Yeah, I'd like to be the host of that show. Okay. Would you be open to Total Divas?

Yeah. I mean, if this got remade, would you want to be a cast member? I, again, it would be something that I would consider because I feel like, even though I do share a lot of my life, I do keep a lot of it private as well. And with any reality show, you don't always get to dictate unless you become an executive producer on it. You don't always get to dictate what's shared and what's not. That's a good point.

Yeah. And I think once it's out there, it's out there. Yeah. I also don't think that I'm like that interesting when I'm home. Like I feel like... What are you doing at home? We can be the judge of whether you're interesting or not. Reading, going to the gym.

walking my dog. What's your dog's name? Eugene. Why is your dog named Eugene? Because he had really big eyebrows that were too big for his face, so I named him after Eugene Levy. Oh, that's amazing. Canadian legend. Because, you know, there's a wrestling character also named Eugene.

I know. And then people call him mean Gene sometimes, too. That's good. Well, okay, I think we're on to something here. This could be an interesting... Gene is just a character on the show. Yeah. Your dog is a character on the show.

Everybody loves your dog. dog in the show. He came to Smackdown this week. He was the star of the locker room. What breed is you dog? He is a half-doxone and then I think miniature pincher and chihuahua. I pretty much have the same dog. Really? I have a Chiaweeney. Wait, let's see a picture. I wonder if they're the same. Okay, let me see. Boy, is this sharing too much? Okay. He's the background of my phone. Oh my God. What a cute dog. Wow. So my dog's name is Luna. Here's Luna. She's an elderly dog. Yeah. She's 16 years old. So sweet. She's such a little sweetheart. She came with the relationship.

Okay. Here's my wife's dog for. So she was adopted. You were the step. She's now a van fleet. Yeah. But I think we could be on to something here with your show. Oh, yeah. Were you being on the show? Yeah. You can't be doing. I mean, I'm sure you would do excited. things? I don't know. I'm pretty low-key nowadays. I see you at events sometimes in L.A. Yeah. Occasionally. I don't go to very money anymore. I'm pretty introverted. So, do you feel like you have to turn it on when you're in front of the camera? I think it's just a different side to me. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I was recently diagnosed with autism and I recognize that that

changes a lot of the social dynamics that I have. So when I say introverted, I feel like it's a little bit more than a typical person would be. Yeah. They say in wrestling that like take yourself and turn it up to 11. Yeah.

Do you feel like that's what you do? Or is it just a completely different version of your different character when you're being Kathy Kelly on WWA? I feel like that version of me as a backstage interviewer is very much me. obviously there's a little bit more of a hosty voice to it. Sure.

Other than that... We all have our host voices. Yeah, I feel like that's me. Okay, so it's you, but it's turned up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, no, I wouldn't say it's turned up a little bit. I feel like that's just...

It's just you. Yeah. You on an excited day. Sure. Right? Yeah. I've always said that about hosting. It's like, you on a day that you got, like, great news.

Yeah, but I'm also, I'm excited for the work. Like, I'm excited if, you know, it's not like, planning. apart if you're excited about WrestleMania. You're just talking about it. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. We saw you do some acting. Mm-hmm. Is that still an interest for you? Yeah, I love acting. I feel like that's

acting was my original passion and what I wanted to pursue when I was a kid. And I was always in every single theater production I could possibly be in. And then moved out here with a hosting reel just because I had done, you know, some classes in college and high school. And so I broke in that area. And then WW is just the hybrid of the two.

So if there's still some acting opportunities out there, you'd be interested in them? Yeah. I remember seeing you on Black A.F. Yeah. I wasn't even watching that show. It just happened to be on. And I was like, you were a flight attendant. Yeah.

I, there's Kathy Kelly. Like, I know her. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It was a small role, but it was so fun. And then to work with Rashida Jones, I think is so cool. Oh, that's awesome.

But, yeah, Kenya Barris was on set that day, and he kind of helped direct that scene, too. But I just shot last summer a movie called Karate Ghost. I have another small little role in that. What are you doing in Karate Ghost? I play a lawyer with Jim Belushi. That's amazing. Okay. This is so cool.

Yeah. So every once in a one, while. You'll pop in. Yeah. Maybe we'll see you in a movie. Maybe we'll see some more. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Okay. How do you feel like this run in WWE is different from your first one? I think I'm able to have a lot more fun this time. I feel so much more confident in my role. And I feel like because I've been doing it so long, the reins are kind of off. Like I can come up with questions. on my own, I can kind of dictate where things are going for the most part. But it's just less stressful and a lot more exciting and fun. It's like it just feels like you've come into

your own. Like it feels like you own this role. Yeah. And I think that that's not an easy thing. It takes a while to get to that. But you're in that now. Yeah. I mean, I think it's easy for some And I'm not saying that it was like the hardest thing to do when I did it the first time around. But in a lot of ways, this job is a dream job. Like I think from a very young age, I knew what I wanted to do and where I thought I would be. And then there were moments where I never thought that I would get to the position that I'm in now. And so I'm just really grateful for it. You've been there for some of the biggest moments in WWE history.

What's been the biggest moment where you've been like, oh my gosh, I can't believe either they're doing this or this person is back or that match that I'm able to watch. What's it been for you? I mean, in recent memory, I remember sitting outside of guerrilla when CM Punk came back. And even though there were rumors. about it that day to actually be in the building in Chicago, which is where I'm from too. When he came out, I think was really cool. Like, did you see him walk into Gorilla before he walked out?

I mean, you saw a hooded figure walking out. And there were a lot of people around him, I think, to mask what was going on. Yeah. Yeah. But when you have something that really surprises everyone, I think that that's the coolest thing. Well, there's so few legitimate. It's surprises in wrestling now. Yeah. When you can keep it so it's that tight that only, you know, these few people

know and it doesn't get out, that's when wrestling's so special. Yeah. Because there's so many times when like there's rumors about something or whispers about something, it ends up getting up out online and then, you know, the surprise is ruined. Yeah. But there's a few that are like, and there's not that many genuine surprises and that was one of them for sure. I mean, something that was really meaningful to me was being there for,

AJ Stiles' last match and also to be there for his send-off because he's been so great to me. Yeah, there's a lot of great moments. And it's kind of crazy to be a part of and witness. Cool that his send-off was in Atlanta, too. Like for him to be able to do that in his home state? Yeah. I love that. Yeah.

How did you convince him to, well, not just him, but anybody that's doing these TikToks with you? Yeah. How do you warm them up? to this idea? Usually explain the idea and see if they're game or not. Is there somebody that you haven't done one with that you're like, if only I could get that person to say yes, it would break the internet. Well, I think that that is going to be one of those surprises that you just have to wait and see.

Because I feel like, could you imagine if you get like, this will never have, have it. Could you get like Roman rains to lip sync with you? Oh my gosh. I don't know. I mean, there are a handful of people that I don't think would do it. And I get it. Yeah. But we can, you know, just imagine here.

I feel like out of any talent backstage, I would be the one that would have the largest chance of getting Paul Heyman to do a TikTok. Ooh. Yeah. I think. I mean, he just started his own TikTok. That'd be a good way to get more eyeballs on his TikTok. I think you might be on to something here. Maybe.

Especially if it was something that made him look like a star. I like this. Yeah. How did your friendship with Kevin Owens begin? I want to say it just gradually grew over time of he has a lot of the same humor that my family has. And so you just end up gravitating towards, you know, people that get. that. But yeah, he's he's been super supportive, especially since the diagnosis, since he knows so much about it because of his son. And he's just a like very grounded. He's a good person to go

to for advice because he'll be direct about it and give you a really good answer. Are you guys still trying to find a way to do the Kathy Kelly K.O. show? Maybe. I mean. He's doing stuff with LFG. Yeah. Maybe there's a way to tie this all at the. together. Yeah, there was a moment that they were looking for content after SmackDown. And I was going to pitch us doing a longer form version of the show. It'd be fun. Like, it just worked. Yeah. And I think that this is where fans love to just see their favorite wrestlers or their favorite wrestling personalities just be themselves. Yeah. And that's what you guys got there. Yeah. You caught lightning in a bottle. Sucks that I had to come to an end. Yeah. But I think what he's doing

right now, even though he's not able to get back in the ring yet. Being on LFG is so important for the kids at the PC. I was there one day and it wasn't shot or anything, but helped out with the promo class and Kevin was there as well. And so it was just really cool to see where everyone was at and give advice when it was appropriate. You did an interview with Logan Paul in the bump. He kind of like, kind of humbled him by being like, I am, my IQ is higher than yours. Oh, he's so humble. Yeah. Yeah, he's so humble.

But he was talking about how he was smarter than everybody in the room. Yeah. And then you were like, actually. Mm-hmm. Have you noticed that he's cut a couple promos talking about how he's smarter than everyone out there, but he can't say that he's the smartest one at WWE? Ooh. Are you saying you're the smartest one at WWE?

I don't think that I'm the smartest one at WWE. I think the smarter you get the more that you know that you don't know everything. Oh, that's good. And IQ-wise, there are a lot of people who haven't been tested, so I don't know. But you have got your IQ tested. Yes. When did you do this? And what made you think to do it?

God, this is like 12 years ago. And it was when I was podcasting and I'd just gotten into wrestling and you know how some people can be. in those comments, and it was just calling me a dumb C word. And I decided, because I just love proving people wrong, and maybe proving myself right, that I had a really high IQ. And so I went and I took the test. It was in some basement of a building in Orange County, or about five or six other people in there. And you take this, you know, several hour long test. And then a few weeks later, they tell you if you are in or not of Mensa. So you're a member of Mensa.

I no longer pay the dues, but I just wanted to get the card to prove to everyone. What is your IQ need to be to be a Mensa member? I think it's over 140. Okay. Yeah. And you're 142? Yeah, that was the lowest that I've scored. So humble.

I don't want to say like I've scored 147 and 148 on other tests, but I don't want to say that because I've also scored 142. So I'll just say that. So Logan Paul's like, how long did that test take? Thinking you took like some online quiz, I think. Yeah. And you're like, I don't know, a few hours. I mean, I did take an online quiz to like make sure that I was close enough to get in. What kind of questions are they asking?

Logic-based questions. And that's like the games on my phone are all logic-based games because that's just something that I enjoy. Do you do wordle every day? Not every day. I really like Pips on a... The New York Times. Okay. Yeah, if you look at the New York Times games, Pips is like a Domino's one.

Okay. Yeah. I do wordal with my family every day. Okay. It's a good one. Yeah, I do some of the crosswords. Okay. And then some of the other games, the spelling one, they're fun.

But you're basically trying to prove, or you're saying to Logan Paul, I'm smarter than you. I mean, you're saying it. I did say it. Yeah. I might be smarter than Logan Paul. Maybe. I don't know. Have you taken a test?

I was in the gifted program. Okay. Me too. And then I skipped a grade. Okay, me too. Look at us. Yeah. Yeah.

And then I feel like when high school came around, I was, I got to the point where I didn't have to do homework. It was just like, it all came pretty easy until about high school. And then I was like, I got like my first like D on a math quiz or math test. And I was like, oh. I guess I got to start trying. Yeah. No, math was always my favorite subject.

Oh, so you'd crush it. Yeah, math was always my favorite. I would like sometimes do it for fun, which is really nerdy. I was in Science Club. Yeah, I think the only thing that I ever struggled with was reading comprehension. Yeah. Did you have any kick-ass science fair projects? I have actually another picture that you would be a fan of,

of me and a poster board explaining DNA. Okay. And I think that's from second grade. But my mom's a scientist, so she taught me all of those things at a very young age. That's so cool. Yeah, like my kids, my childhood books were like, DNA is here to stay. Is that a book? Mm-hmm.

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I was like, let's get them started now. They're going to be little philosophers. Maybe. I don't know. They'll be like Einstein, like just trying to figure things out. Yeah. This stuff's all really interesting. I feel like you're crafting a wrestling character with all this stuff.

Oh. You could. Yeah. You ever thought about that? A wrestling character? Yeah. Yeah. What would it look like?

I mean, probably. play up the IQ thing. You're smarter than everybody? Yeah. Like the genius, but like this version, this year, like this generation's version of that? I like that. Speaking words that are like,

have multiple syllables. Really confuse people. Yeah. Ones that they can't pronounce. This is good. It's a perfectly cromulent thing to do. It begins us all. It's the Simpsons.

It's so silly. The Simpsons predicted so many things. The Simpsons predict so many things. Yeah. It's crazy. I don't know how. Do you think it's just, do you think they know? Or do you think it's a case of if you throw enough spaghetti at the wall?

Yeah, there are, I mean, how many episodes do they have at this point? And there's probably a lot of predictions that they made that didn't come true, but no one's referencing those. Right. I also think people who, especially the creators of that show, are so extremely intelligent and probably have really high pattern recognition. so that helps you, you know, hit the target a little bit more. But some of the things are so precise. Yeah. Like it's not that they're picking the team to win whatever to Super Bowl or World Series.

They'll like, they'll get things down to like the year or the score or like, I don't know. Once they get the lottery numbers, right, then you know that it's. Right. I don't know. That's wild. Yeah. You mentioned Arrested Development earlier. What are the shows that you're all the way in on?

Arrested Development was definitely number one growing up. Schitts Creek. Oh, so good. I watched a lot of, like, really trashy reality shows. I love Love Island. I loved The Bachelor franchise. I think I watch it from a different perspective than most people. Like, I really enjoy psychology and how the human mind works.

And so watching it from that perspective and kind of, like, therapiesing the people while they're on. Yeah. I feel like love is blind is good for that. Oh, yeah. Because these people seem to hit it off just having conversations. Yeah. And then a lot of times they'll see each other and be like, I've been a little disappointed in the quality of men on love is blind though. Oh. Yeah.

They're not, like they don't, they're not attractive or they're not good people? No, I think that it's apparent, at least from the last couple of seasons, that the women are so much more. attuned to who they are and what they want. And it almost feels like there are a couple men who have snuck through the casting process who don't know what they want out of a relationship, but they're supposed to get married at the end of this. Well, I think that that's why they're on a reality show.

True. Because it makes for entertainment TV. But like I said, I probably may be a little naive to that. If I think that someone going on a reality show, you know, especially to find love, you should be there for the right reason. And if you're talking through a wall to somebody and you're. going to get maybe married at the end of the week. What a ridiculous idea for a show.

Yeah. That's why I tend to like earlier seasons of shows before they get, you know, these massive followings. Yeah. Because there's more authenticity behind it. Do you feel like you watch wrestling differently now versus when you started watching it years ago? Yeah.

You kind of, you know, you kind of know how things are made. Yeah. You kind of know how all the parts go to. together, it could make you appreciate it more or less. I think when I got into it, it was just really fun to watch the storylines, and I think that's what I remember the most versus the matches and now understanding how everything works. You know, you just, you realize how much goes into it. I actually, I tell the refs this all the time, Aja, a specific.

of how difficult their job is, of how many things they have to manage. And there are just, there's so many people who, uh, are involved in the show that you don't think day to day, um, how difficult their job is. And a ref especially, like, their job is to be invisible. Like, if you're noticing what they're doing, for the most part, that means they're probably not doing a great job at it. I wouldn't say invisible, but their job is to make sure the match goes smoothly. Yeah, and like, like, yeah, and blend in with like, if they're standing in the middle and, like, making it about them, it's like, well, wait a second. The focus is on the individuals that are having the match here. But there's also so many things with them, like time cues and all these other things that they've got to like, like you said, just keep the things on track. Yeah. It's wild. Yeah. Managing different things at once. I don't know. I mean, you've probably had an IFB in your ear at some point. Yeah. Oh, that's so hard. Yeah. I mean, when.

when you're doing a lot of the live hits on the countdown shows, on TV, whatever that is, they'll put this thing in your ear for people that don't know. And it's the truck talking to you, telling you when you're live, they'll count you down. And sometimes you can hear commentary or whatever is going on the show. And sometimes they forget to mute that while you're talking. So that's always interesting. But trying to navigate those kind of situations. And navigating things on the fly where like you think you're throwing a one

segment and then as you're in the middle of saying that, they're like, actually, we're going to stay on you. We've had a couple of those commercial spots. They come back from Breakway earlier than you think it's going to happen, so it cuts off. Or I have to like warn someone of like, you have 10 seconds left and I usually just like grab their arm. But yeah. Do you think about the longevity of the role you're in? Because you're not in there taking bumps week to week. Yeah. You don't have to retire when your body. says I can't do this anymore. You could do this well into your 40s, 50s, 60s and beyond. Yeah.

How long do you think you want to do this? I think as long as I'm treated well and I'm having fun, I would love to be involved. I don't know in what capacity. I would love to have a family as well. So I don't know what that looks like. But, you know, me and Jean was doing it all the way. until he passed. Yeah, what a legend. Yeah, I mean, I remember him coming to the studio in Stanford and taping shows. Wow. Do you have a chance to talk to him? A little bit, yeah. That was actually something that I was really

bummed about of he co-hosted a show and originally they were going to have me do it. I think Renee had done it before and then they ended up using someone else. Oh, that would have been so cool. I mean, he was so sweet. Yeah, like you said, he did it to the very end. You know, you could do this forever if you want. Yeah. Are you having fun now? Yeah. Because you look like you're having a blast.

No, it's great. Hopefully you don't get in the middle of things again. Well, we'll see. Oh. I'm usually pretty good of getting it out of the way. Just not that one time. Not that one time. Yeah.

Well, great to see you. Yeah, great to see you. Congrats on everything. Thank you so much. Every time I see you, you just keep getting better and better. I'll, I'd asked you this last time, but maybe your answers are different this time around. Gratitude is such a huge thing for me. And I think about all the time of like the things I have and being grateful for them rather than being mad about the things I don't have.

Yeah. So I end every day and I begin every day. I say I'll have three things I'm grateful for. So Kathy, what are three things you're grateful for today? Well, I don't remember if I said this last time, but I would say my dog has gotten me through so much. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, there are moments where I don't know if I would be here if it were for him, but he is just the best and a little travel companion.

And then I'm grateful for friends that have become family because I don't have a big family. So the friends that make their way in there are really special to me. And then I think I'm grateful for my friends. my health. I know that it's a crazy world right now. And to even have that, I think, is really special. Yeah. You're lucky. Thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you. Great to see you. Great to see you too. Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair. With Wayfair, there's no what if. Just style you love and quality you can trust. Visit wayfair.ca.