Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Corey Graves & Carmella on Their New Reality Show, Best Advice They've Ever Received and Corey's Return To The Ring

Episode Date: February 28, 2022

Today's guests are Corey Graves (@wwegraves) and Carmella (@carmellawwe). Corey is a color commentator and professional wrestler for WWE. Carmella is also a professional wrestler known for her time in NXT and WWE. They join Chris Van Vliet to talk about their new reality show called "Corey and Carmella" which airs on WWE's YouTube channel. They discuss the very sexy trailer that came out before the show's debut, their biggest pet peeves about each other as a couple, the fact that Corey is now officially cleared for in-ring performing after what was thought to be a career ending injury, they list their mentors in wrestling, the best advice they ever received in life and much more! Watch "Corey & Carmella" on WWE's YouTube channel here: http://youtube.com/WWE If you enjoyed this episode, could I ask you to please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcast/iTunes? It takes less than a minute and makes a huge difference in helping to spread the word about the show and also to convince some hard-to-get guests. For more information about CVV and INSIGHT go to: https://podcast.chrisvanvliet.com Follow CVV on social media: Instagram: instagram.com/ChrisVanVliet Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisVanVliet Facebook: facebook.com/ChrisVanVliet YouTube: youtube.com/ChrisVanVliet TikTok: tiktok.com/@Chris.VanVliet Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All systems are going. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Van Bleas! Oh, so glad you could make it here. Welcome back to another audio adventure here on Insight. I'm CVV, Chris Van Vleet, and this is the perfect day for this episode to be coming out because Corey Graves and Carmelah's new reality show, which is appropriately titled,

Corey and Carmela, debuts today on WWE's YouTube channel. And while the title might be appropriate, Corey and Carmelah, the content of the show might be a little inappropriate. And if you've seen the trailer, you know what I'm talking about. It's definitely not PG. A lot of talk about intimate relations here. So we get into all of that as well as the career path that both of them have been on, the people who've given them the most advice, the mentors in their life, all of that.

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Always great interviews. Well, thank you. Thank you, Jose, all the way from Puerto Rico. I read one review on every single episode as my way to say thank you. Also, also my small way to encourage you to perhaps leave a review of your own on Apple Podcast. So if you have an iPhone and you haven't left a review yet, or if you have left a review, go in, change a word or two, add a word or two, and it'll pop up as a new review on there. And it'd be awesome if you could do that. Also, if you have Spotify, they have ratings now.

So go in there and click five stars. All right, let's dive into this. Please welcome, Corey Graves and Carmela. Oh my gosh, I feel like there's so many things to congratulate you guys on congratulations on your engagement. Congratulations on the new reality show. Thank you. Thank you so much. We have so much to be excited about.

It has been a busy several months for us. This is a good thing, right? Did you guys see the reaction after this trailer went out? A lot of people online. Yeah. We sure did. That was by design, man. We had to come out of the gate strong.

A lot of people, I mean, we've never really addressed our relationship on WWTV, beyond me fawning over her during her entrance, which is equally as much to make people angry as it is to let them know that this is a real thing. So we had to come out of the gate and we discussed things with WWE on how we wanted to roll this out. And we decided to take the sexy route just because it's been so different than anything WWE's put out recently. I mean, it's almost a callback to the attitude era where it was okay to be sexy. And being on YouTube, we have a little more leeway than being on a major network right now.

So we're kind of exploring this as much of an experiment as it has been a goal. Yeah, I mean, I've definitely read the comments. Not all of them because, oh my gosh, I don't have that much time on my hands and I don't want to be depressed. But, you know, I see the thing, Carmela, she's a freak. Oh, my God, I've never seen her. It's like, come on, it's 2022. What you see on TV, you see on Monday Night Raw, that's not who I am in real life. Yes, I like to talk about sex.

Yes, I have stepchildren now. And yes, I'm a fiance and you see me with my dad. And, you know, you get to see all these different aspects of our lives that you don't get to see on TV. but it's time to normalize these things. It's okay to be a little sexy. And the sexy aspect of the show is just a part of the show. There's a lot more to it. We just figured, what can we get people interested in talking with?

And there's definitely no shortage of dirty jokes. But ultimately, it's relatively family-friendly for the most part. I would say PG-13, maybe leaning a little toward R from time to time. But it's not going to be anything that you have to pay money to subscribe to. Carmela, you have in your Instagram bio that Instagram is not. real life is this show real life it sure is you know you get to see all aspects of our lives and we don't hold back and it's basically because of our podcast that we have it's called bear with us where we are trying to shed light on issues that every relationship has and everyone goes through

things and we just want to sort of normalize it like talking about sex or talking about a problem in the bedroom or talking about our lack of communication or who's doing the household chores this week and we talk about it with our listeners and we don't talk about work we don't talk about our lives in wwe we want to just show who we are in our real lives and we've gotten a lot of great feedback with our listeners because they're like hey oh my gosh my husband does that too or how do i talk to my wife about wanting to have more sex or whatever and we just give advice and that is what our show is it's not about looking at our life through a filter and that's kind have been the goal from when we launched bear with us was to be almost overly honest with our audience

and there are probably things we've discussed where they're like we didn't never really care to know that about you guys but to the point about instagram not being reality everyone likes to show their greatest hits of their life it's it's the great moment the perfect kiss the perfect dinner everyone is trying to one up each other and keep up with each other and it's it's the greatest hits of their life we're showing you all of all the b sides as well we're out there on the podcast and on the show, letting people know, we have a lot of the same struggles as everybody else. It's real life. I mean, every aspect of it. And our podcast has become almost a form of therapy for the two of us. Because we really have no choice.

We make me a legit cry on our podcast. He'll be like, you're doing this wrong. Or you're saying that. I'm like, I'm not a podcaster. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just trying to be real. And it's like, well, that's not what we're talking about right now. And we leave that in there for our listeners to hear. we are not trying to, again, like, portray ourselves to be a certain way. This is who we are. Like it or not, this is us. Well, it seems like you guys get along so well. So I'm curious, what are your biggest pet peeves about one another?

Corey, let's start with you. It's going to sound like I'm just trying to keep myself out of trouble, but there aren't very many pet peeves about Carmela. The only thing I would say is every once in a while, she'll get very moody, seemingly without reason or provocation. Like yesterday, for example, I woke up and I just could kind of sense that something was up. And I've now learned that when I get that feeling that something is up, 99% of the time, it's not my fault.

So I can just take a step back and let her be her. Just let me be in a bad mood. And she works through it. And she comes out the other side. And we ended up by yesterday evening. We were great. We went out to dinner, had ourselves a great time. But I would say if I had to pinpoint one thing that makes me a little bit nuts, that's it

just because it kind of comes out of nowhere. It's one thing when I screw up and I do and I can expect it. It's when I wake up in the morning and go, hey, babe, let's go get some coffee. And she's like, I don't want to talk to you. All right. I guess I would say I have two. One is when he texts me the letter K or just the okay emoji. It's like, come on, you know, that drives me nuts.

I'm with you. Right? Put an O before it. I do it on purpose, though. I only do that. Capital K too? Capital. It's usually capital.

Oh, yeah. Drives me nuts. What's number two? I would say number two and you just like, don't stop talking. It's like, okay, I get the point. You just explain yourself way too much. I get what you're trying to say. Let's move on.

He does this for a living, you know. Thank you. I know, so you don't need to do that home. I'm not paying you to talk to me. Well, then start paying me not to. That's a hell of an idea. I want 50 bucks for silent time. I feel like things are going so well for you guys in your career.

And if we take this a few steps back here, I really want to know who have been some mentors for you professionally who have really helped guide the way for you. For me, I would honestly say the Ms. You know, whenever I have an issue or a problem whether it's creatively or with my character or something going on in a match, I go to him and I try to, for me, if I could be the female Ms, like that would be such an amazing accomplishment. You know, they trust the Miz to, they put him in any position he's going to shut. And he's not afraid to lean into his role as a bad guy. And I consider that the same for myself.

I like to really lean into my role. And anytime I have a problem or issue, whatever is, I go to him and he's going to be honest, sometimes brutally honest. But he always helps me out. What about for you, Gordon? I feel like people don't even, there's a big section of people who don't remember you as a wrestler and they just know you as a broadcaster now. It's really crazy that that much time has passed as a broadcaster,

that now that's actually overtaken my wrestling career. But I've had so many people along the way that have helped me, and I wouldn't be in the position that I'm in if it weren't for a litany of guys. I mean, going back to Tom Phillips, when we were in NXT working together, he helped teach me a lot. Michael Cole has been instrumental in most of my success. It was actually after I first got injured, I had a conversation in New Orleans with Michael Cole. And I had mentioned to him that I had done some local radio. And he went, hmm, maybe you should give broadcasting a try. And that was how this all came to be, was just that base.

conversation and after a few months of being out of the ring, he said, all right, let's give it a shot. And it didn't happen overnight. I spent countless hours in the performance center in our little recording booth trying to learn how to call matches. But I'd like to think that I've learned from everybody along the way, different broadcasters, whether they are intending on teaching me things or not, even if I'm learning something negative, I can utilize it and put it in my toolkit to where I'm now confident that I can step into a role like a Michael Cole. I obviously can't fill Michael Cole's shoes. He's one of the best play-by-play guys in history. But I've learned enough from him and just absorbed it by osmosis that I can at least prevent the ship from hitting the iceberg. And along

the way, I think what I lose track of is some of the amazing minds that I'm privy to on a weekly basis without realizing it. I get to learn from Vince McMahon. Vince McMahon sometimes in the middle of a show, in the middle of a match, we'll go on a two-minute diet tribe about why I just did something wrong or why he liked it or what he's trying to accomplish. But in the moment, it's easy to forget. You're getting advice from the guy, the guy who is responsible for all of this. And everybody under, Vince, and Kevin Dunn is an amazing producer. And I've learned from a lot of producers. And I would like to think that everybody I've worked with on this side of the microphone has taught me something because this was never my goal. I've had to learn. And I think that's sort of lent itself to my

success was okay I can't wrestle anymore I don't know anything about this world I have to just be a sponge and learn as much as I can and I've picked up good habits and I'm sure I've picked up some negative ones but ultimately I'm constantly learning because even now I have a bit of trepidation when I sit down it's when you're getting counted into the opening of Monday night raw you hit three two and I'm still in that like okay here okay here we go let's not screw up tonight I get a little nervous and you know then I get off off in cruise but I can't thank enough people and I'd be here all day if I just tried to list everyone who's really mentored and taught me a lot. Corey, how much do you miss being in the ring?

I miss certain aspects of it, but I've actually grown to love doing commentary. There's part of me that will never go away as a wrestler. I dedicated 15 years of my life and traveled the world and had a tasted some success as a competitor. I really, it took a long time and a lot of work. internal reflection to get to this point where I've now embraced my role and realized that this is my contribution to the business now. I may not be able to go down as one of the great intercontinental champions in history, which is kind of always my goal. But now I look at how broad my work has reached and how it still lives on in video packages and these moments. And

some of the ridiculous stuff that I say ends up on T-shirts for other superstars. And I actually think I'm in a weird way leading a bigger footprint as a commentator than I probably would have as a competitor. But I definitely miss it at times. I feel like with a reality show, this just seems to write itself. It's you guys versus Ms. and Mrs. versus Ms. and Marines. The thought has crossed our minds. Unfortunately, this is dropping a little bit too close to WrestleMania because otherwise I would put the push on really hard. But, you know, Summer Slam's going to be big this year. That's true. That's true. You never know. Well, there was this recent report. out that you are now cleared for in-ring performance. Is that actually true?

It is factual. The news for some reason took about eight months to break, which I'm sort of proud of and a little bit surprised in this day and age that I wasn't necessarily hiding it from anybody. It was just not something I was bringing to the forefront because I didn't want everybody to go, oh my God, Graves is making a comeback because to our previous conversation, I love what I'm doing now. But there is a part of me that would just love that gratification. I'm a guy who when I was wrestling was primarily a villain and to me the gratification came as soon as the bell rang at the end of the match because to me there is nothing more satisfying than taking the crowd on a roller coaster ride and then losing as a as a good guy usually have to you stand up and pose and you have to

mug for the cameras but i would lay there on my back after the ref counted three and i would be looking at the lights and just thinking up we did it and that to me was always what kind of kept me going. It was just like that exhale at the end of all of it. And that was the most rewarding to me. So there's part of me that's still going to chase that forever. And I would be open to it if the opportunity presents itself to maybe step back in the ring once in a blue moon or maybe just once. But the important thing is I got medically cleared. And now I'm just kind of going to see where the world takes us. Because if that's within the stars for me is another match or it's a mixed tag team match or it's me versus Pat McAfee at some point, whatever.

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And I met all of the needs that they wanted to see. So again, I'm medically clear. That doesn't mean, I mean, I'm still listed on the roster as a commentator. I don't have come up in creative meetings that I know of as to how we get graves in the ring. So I'm just kind of taking it one step at a time. And if it presents itself, I'm going to be ready for it. But I'm not going to make myself crazy wanting to make another transition back to the other side. Yeah.

Look, I'm such a big believer that everything happens for a reason. And that's put you guys in the position that you're in right now. And Carmel, I'm really curious you would audition for Tough Enough. You were going to be on the show. Then you ended up being a Lakers girl, right? Do you ever think of what would happen if you had been on Tough Enough? like what your road would it look like? I have no idea.

You know, again, everything happens for a reason. I still ended up in WWE years later, you know? So it's kind of crazy to know that that's how it all worked out. But again, I went to LA to be a dancer and that's what I was going to do. And I wasn't going to give up my career as a Laker girl. You know, that's why I went out there. So that's what I was focused on. And I'm grateful that I did it the way I did.

And it led me to where I'm at now. How did wrestling find you originally? Because the story for both of you guys is very different of how you found wrestling. Well, for me, I mean, I grew up watching wrestling. My dad was a wrestler in the early 90s. So he wrestled every big name back in the 90s, which is really cool. I brought all W.OF magazines to school and showed everyone. I was definitely the coolest girl in third grade.

But it was never anything I aspired to do. I wanted to be a dancer. And that's what I was going to do with my life. And it just one thing led to another from my, I had an agent that I was using for my dance career and it led to an audition or a tryout with WWE. And I thought, well, I guess there's no better time than now, you know, and with my dad's history with the company. And it just kind of, the stars aligned. Right. And Corey, like you were in the Indies for a long time. Yeah, I was a lifelong fan. My dad to this day is still a big fan. I grew up. My earliest memories of my childhood

involve WWE in some capacity and action figures and going to live events. So I was a fan as long as I can remember. And I got to about high school age and was trying to figure out what to do with my life. And my parents were asking me and guidance counselors are asking me, you have a plan? You're going to go to college? And I went through this depression. And I was sure that my life was over at 14. I didn't know what I was going to do. And it was, you know, all just this terrible depression. And I realized it was just growing up. And my dad said, hey, why don't you find something that you like to do? Go be a bodybuilder or go learn to box or go be a pro wrestler. And I went, okay.

And my dad has since admitted, like, he had no idea how to help me with that. But he was a fire chief in a town and he had connections to a local independent promotion that they would do for fundraisers because my dad was a fan. It would make money for the fire department. So we had that connection. And my freshman year of high school, I started training in the back of a old storefront in a shopping mall with no heat, no air conditioning. And then I had the bug so bad, man.

I just, I couldn't stop. And I was just doing anything and everything. sacrificing wherever I could to try to get my name out there. And I had a few lucky breaks along the way. And sure enough, right as I was about to hang it up, because I had a real job, a career as a 911 dispatcher. And I just had my first, yeah, my first kid had been born. And I went, maybe it's time to stop chasing this silly dream. And within weeks, I got a call from WWE and the rest is history. What is the craziest 911 call you ever got? there was an old woman who used to call semi regularly and she would we would answer the phone you know 911 what's your emergency and i will never forget one night

911 what's your emergency and this elderly woman says the goddamn clowns are back and i went pardon me they're clowns they're back and i said to my partner or my supervisor at the time i'm like you might want to listen into this and they're like oh no that's just mrs johnson she calls about once a week she saw clowns and she would want the police to come to make sure that the clowns were not going to harm her and they sent a cop car over and okay she's good they called in and yeah but i heard some really wild stuff that's that that stands out to me that to this day though that that one the man i bet this may be difficult to come up with something right off the top of your head but what do you think is the best advice that you've been given whether that's personally or professionally

Yeah. Best advice you've ever been given. Oh my gosh. I can think of a few different things. Something my dad has always told me is, you know, you can't care what other people think. You just have to do you, be you and not work to try to impress others. Just kind of, you know, focus on you, stay in your own lane and just focus on yourself and not worrying about what other people think.

And it's really helped me obviously a lot in this career with social media and fans and haters nowadays. So I will say that that was pretty important. Yeah, I would say as far as the wrestling business is concerned, believe half of what you see and none of what you hear, because it's constantly changing. And what might be an actual fact at one moment by the end of the day could have been a figment of somebody else's imagination.

And it really stops you from getting too far ahead of yourself because it can be crushing on a human being level in any aspect of life. When you get your hopes up and you get excited and you think this great thing's about to happen, and then you have the rug pulled out from underneath you, it can crush a person, whether that be professionally or in a relationship. So I think keeping that mentality has really helped me get to where I'm at. And now that I'm a little bit older and trying to become a little bit wiser, I've been paying a lot more attention to sort of my mental well-being and meditation

and the idea that holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. I love that. Kind of let bygones be bygones. and that to me really has hit home recently. And I haven't mastered it yet. You can ask her, I get pissed off just like the next guy, you know, several times a day. But I think it's really kind of helped me gain control of my emotions and really overall mentally improve me.

Corey, you're so quick-witted on commentary. Is there a particular line that you're really proud of that wasn't planned before? Oh, my goodness. 99% of the lines that I am proud. of work are completely improvved and that goes to the chemistry i have like with michael cole i did it twice during elimination chamber and basically any time i make michael cole break that's when i trust that a joke landed because cole is such the consummate professional and he has delivered terrible awful heartbreaking news on the air with a straight face he's he was a newsman first so when i can crack michael

cole that's when i know it landed that said i'm sort of wishing and hoping and maybe i'll put this plea out there to the internet i would love somebody to make me like a compilation or something of these lines because i say them and by the end of the show i forget about them and unless somebody quotes them and tweets them to me i go oh yeah i remember i said that uh but i i probably shouldn't admit this but i prepare very very little for any show that i'm about to do unless it's a statistic that i don't want to screw up like a number of title reigns or something important i usually just kind of fly by the seat of my pants and my wit has helped carry me that far. Um, but it's, it's just constantly in three hours, three hours is a long time. So sometimes I'm trying to entertain myself. Sometimes the show gets

into a little bit of a lull or I started feeling a little tired or something is going wrong. And I just kind of need it for my own sanity. And beyond making Michael Cole laugh, uh, once in a great while, very rarely, but it does happen. I'll hear the infamous chuckle from the boss, which means he pushes his button in the gorilla position and i'll just get a and that's that's like that's like making your dad proud you know what i mean it's like that's like getting a big hug after after a sports game from your parents like oh you did it so it's it's tough to pick anything and i i more often forget you know before anybody else reminds me so it's always refreshing when i get tagged in a tweet i actually got one today about saying uh buddy murphy and otis staring face-to-face was like looking in a

Fun House mirror. And again, that was just, I wouldn't have prepared that. It wasn't until it happened. And it just came to me. And, you know, I'm just trying to keep myself occupied. And hopefully the people at home get a laugh here and there. Look, I've thoroughly enjoyed this. I can't wait for us to peek behind the curtain a little bit more with the reality show,

which is I'll link down that. I'll link that down below. It's on the WWE YouTube channel. But I end every conversation with the same question because I love gratitude. I start and end every day, saying out loud three things. I'm grateful for. So what are three things that you guys are grateful for today? Today, I am grateful for my health, my family, and wine.

Red or white? Red. I'm actually grateful for wine because I think it keeps her sort of mellowed out at a level that we can be tolerable. I would have to say I am absolutely grateful for my children. I think they've helped keep, keep me sane, or at least as sane as I am to this day. I am incredibly grateful for my fiancé because without her, who knows where my life would be,

because in the past few years, things got really rough. And she stood by my side and been my rock during this whole thing. And it's going to sound cliche, and I'm sure everyone's going to get mad at me, but I'm grateful for WWE. Because if it weren't for our life within the madness of WWE and WWE helping bringing this project to the forefront, Corey and Carmela probably would have never seen the light of day. And now we have at least a new exciting venture. Will it be wildly successful?

We hope so. But if nothing else, it's given us a creative outlet and somewhere to really put parts of our personality that maybe we don't get to show on WWTV. And in a roundabout way, it's WWU who's responsible for letting us get to that point. So I would say, my girl, my kids, and my job. Is there a certain episode or moment? in an episode where you're like, I do not want my parents or kids to see this. Oh, my gosh.

There's probably one in every episode aside from the episode that my kids are in. Yes. By design. We watched it with my parents and half the time I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, my God. There are very few instances than watching pillow talk between you and your partner in

front of her dad who was a professional boxer and a professional wrestler. So, I mean, he could still handle himself. Oh, my God. So embarrassing. Oh, we can't wait to see it now. Guys, thank you so much. Thank you. Our pleasure, man.

Thank you for the time. Appreciate it. Appreciate it, too. Okay. Busy week for Corey Graves and Carmelis. So a huge thank you to them for spending some time with us. Thank you to you as always for spending time with us. And I don't know.

Sounds like it's just a matter of time before we see Corey Graves back in the ring for a match. Share this episode with a friend. Take a screenshot. Let us know that you. you're on this journey with us, tag us on social media as well, so we can retweet it and share it on Instagram. You can find Carmela. She's at Carmela, WWE. Corey is at WWE Graves. I am at Chris Van Fleet. And I'll leave you with the words of Earl Nightingale, who said, never give up on a dream just because of the time it will take to accomplish it. That time will pass anyway. Be great, be grateful.

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