Insight with Chris Van Vliet - DDP On Helping Lex Luger Walk, John Cena's Last Match, Turning 70, LA Knight, Cody Rhodes

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

Diamond Dallas Page (@RealDDP) is a professional wrestler and WWE Hall of Famer. He sits down with Chris Van Vliet in Atlanta, GA to discuss how he feels approaching his 70th birthday, his recent hospitalization and what caused the health scare, the comparisons to his career and LA Knight's, fans calling for him to receive another Hall of Fame induction for helping legends, losing the WCW Championship to David Arquette, his thoughts on John Cena's last match, Cody Rhodes' Championship run and more!Please support our sponsors!   PURE PLANK: The future of core fitness! Use the code CVV to save 10% on Pure Plank designed by Adam Copeland & Christian: https://gopureplank.com/?ref=tibcloux FACTOR: Get 50% off your first box, plus Free Breakfast for 1 Year with the code INSIGHT50OFF at https://factormeals.com/INSIGHT50OFFSTASH: Go to https://get.stash.com/INSIGHTto see how you can receive $25 towards your first stock purchase and to view important disclosures   SEAT GEEK: Use my code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order*: https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/CVV2025 Sponsored by SeatGeek. *Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount   NORDVPN: Exclusive deal! https://nordvpn.com/cvv Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee!FACTOR: Use code INSIGHT50OFF at https://factormeals.com/INSIGHT50OFF to get 50% off your first box, plus Free Breakfast for 1 Year!GLD: New customers get 50% Off with code INSIGHT at https://GLD.com PRIZEPICKS: Download the app today and use code INSIGHT to get $50 instantly after you play your first $5 lineup!  TIMELINE: Go to https://timeline.com/insightto get 10% off your order of Mitopure!   VUORI: Get 20% off your first purchase! Get yourself some of the most comfortable and versatile clothing on the planet at https://vuori.com/cvv   ROCKET MONEY: Join Rocket Money today and reach your financial goals faster: https://rocketmoney.com/cvv MIRACLE MADE: Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://trymiracle.com/CVVand use the code CVV to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF   ZOCDOC: Instantly book a top-rated doctor today at https://zocdoc.com/insight   BONCHARGE: Use the code CVV to save 15% off your infrared sauna blanket at https://boncharge.com/cvv   BLUECHEW: Get your first month of BlueChew for free with the code CVV at https://bluechew.com   For more information about Chris and INSIGHT go to: https://podcast.chrisvanvliet.com If you have ever enjoyed any of these episodes, could I ask you to please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcast or Spotify? It takes less than a minute and makes a huge difference in helping to spread the word about the show and also to convince some hard-to-get guests.    Follow CVV on social media:  Instagram: instagram.com/ChrisVanVliet Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisVanVliet Facebook: facebook.com/ChrisVanVliet YouTube: youtube.com/ChrisVanVliet TikTok: tiktok.com/@Chris.VanVliet Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What a shirt. Merry fitness, fitness, and a happy new rear. Merry fitness. Very fitness. Hey, if you do, if you do Diti Boga, you will have a happy new rear. That's fantastic. I love that so much. We got a little worried for you when we saw this photo, this video of you in a hospital bed.

You know, the funniest part about that was I was just coming off that, you know, shit songs. It's not a little buzz going. And I was just stretching the back of my hamstrings. And I thought, let's just do, listen, this is so important. If you're over 50, do not work out without a heart monitor. And now there's, what if you wear something? They got a whoop. Yeah.

Yeah, whoop. I wear my eyewatch when I'm doing that. Or my regular heart monitor, it connects to my app. There's no excuse. If you're over 50, and I'm working with a buddy of mine right now, Joe Gomez, it's all me on the phone back and forth and he's going through rehab because he had a stroke. And he's like 55. He was overweight, and now he's dropped a bunch of it.

And eventually he'll come to my house and he'll stay with me for a while. Because he's one of the boys and one of my, I love him. He's awesome human being. And he gives to everybody. So I will pull him in and we'll help get him back on track. But stroke, that takes away this arm and this leg. Now he's got to learn how to use that, how to use those again. So like real, they even have a, like a ring.

Yeah, the oral. Your heart monitor. Yeah. You want to know. I had AFIP. And I had it also three years ago. I got it again for the same reason. Over training.

Like, I mean, I don't mean over. I mean, like pushing myself. I'm going to, you know, I'm going to be 70, you know, in four more months. You look great. Well, looking is great, too. But I want everything to be looking great, the inside, you know. And so I really did. That's why I developed the heart monitor so long ago.

But I couldn't find it and I didn't take the time to go looking for it. And I just started working with my two my brother-in-law was in the gym. and I'd already done the coal plund. I'd already done the hypoxia while running backwards with oxygen at 8%, you know, and then doing sprints with that, then getting on the mat, doing DDP yoga, and then finish it with power cuffs.

And I just knew I was training too hard. I knew it. And then later that frigging night, I was doing one of those yoga swings we'd hang upside down, which is really phenomenal. for your hips and everything, your spine. And when I came back up, and I could do that for 10 minutes.

I was only down there for like two. And I came up and I was like, whoa, whoa, what the hell was that? I got off the thing. And it was the Page's family was here. We're all on the porch. She goes, what's the matter with you? You're just kind of, you're like you're perspiring. I go, I'm going to tell you, I push myself too hard today.

and I don't know, I feel kind of weird. She goes, let's go upstairs. She put a heart bottle on you. So she got her eye watch out. Now my heart rate is stuck at 140 to 150. And normally it goes with aphib. It goes from down to 42 up to 180. It goes all through that.

And I call my doctor. Dr. Asgar, I don't care what time. it is if I call him, he answered the phone. It's like 11 o'clock. And I called him, he goes, go to the hospital right now. They'll give you something to take you down. So it brought me down, you know, he's there for a couple hours. And then I turned around and now I've got to go see my cardiologist, who is the best, Dr. Delergio. And he'd already done a test for me. When you get AFib, they hit you with the paddles. And they put you out to do that, right? So they hit you with the paddles. And you might go online, meaning your part rate goes back or it might take two times.

They won't do more than three. Bottom line is, I went right on the first time. And when I was talking to him, he said, you don't really have to do the ablation, meaning we're going to go up to your groin, up into your heart, and burn you. And he said, you don't really need it. He goes, but it's way easier to do it to you when you're not in AFIB. So, bottom line, he goes, the way you train, he goes, you probably should do it. I said, I'm in, let's just do it. So that was, three years ago. Now, this time, the one you're talking about, when I got out, I was just stretching, and I was going, Hey, Paige, just start, hit record. And I just said,

I want to make sure you guys, if you're over 50, you're wearing a heart monitor, so you don't end up like me, you know, here with AFIB, you know, and I bet you I want to get the ablation. And, uh, but you're feeling good. Feel great. Okay. But you, you only feel as great as you do right in this moment. You know what I mean? You don't know. So if you're, pushing yourself too hard and the whole thing with no pain, no gain, especially as you're heading into your seniors where I'm right on path, you got to be really smart. I got so happy when I saw

that photo of Lex Lugar, climbing the ladder, trimming his Christmas tree for the first time in almost 20 years. Right. It's amazing how much you've changed his life. Yeah, well, you just saw him, Steve You just here. Yeah. I've got a whole crew that helps. It isn't just me. I tell people that all the time. I'm the force of it, but, you know, the bottom line is Lex, getting to help Lex has been a blessing all the way around for me because we were, we're buds, we were good buds. Back in the day, but today we're brothers, you know, and to see how to go, you know, anytime my shoulder really hurts me or my knees are bothering me,

I've learned to say, thank you God, thank you God, thank you God, because I've got complete use of them. And Lex is getting more, getting better and better all the time. So hopefully, you know, we can keep this run going. What did you think was possible when you first started working with Lex? You know, I don't really know, you know, going into it. I don't know. Like, when we first started working, and I told you this story, when Lex went down,

it was in San Francisco, I was there. The door, because I went to take this because I heard he was born again, and I had to see that for myself. Because Lex, Lex is the one who taught me about the four degrees, of celebrity. And I said, really, what is that? He goes, he was complaining about being in, in, uh, um,

redneck Riviera, Destin, Florida. And, uh, he was complaining about, not complaining, but remarking about everybody, you know, in the beginning was like, hey, Lex, and, you know, he's at a resort and, oh, hey, Lex, how you doing? Before you know, they're down, having coffee with me. You know, he said, there's four degrees of celebrity. really i go well what aren't they so well number one um anticipation you know back when i played for the

you know i wasn't a starter or any of that you know i was at the bottom of a totem pole but is anybody going to ask me for my honor you know he goes and then there's um avoidance you know like you wear baggy shirts you wear sunglasses wear hats you never look at anyone eye to eye in an airport because it's going to be Yeah, right. Is that? Oh my gosh. Exactly. I said, so what's number three?

He goes, that's where I'm right now. He goes, and back then he was married, and he was like, my wife hates it because recluse. Like, I am, I don't go to the mall, I don't want to go out to dinner, I don't want to go anywhere. You know what I have to, what I have to do to get on the road.

to do what I do. When I come home, I want to be home. And I go, okay. I go, what's number four? He goes, well, we hope we never get there. But at one time or another, we all do. I go, what is it? He goes, aggression. I have this favorite story of mine. Me and Lex are going through Terminal Lake Sea at the Atlanta airport. And it's 1997 or 98. Like, we're, you know, paparazzi. And me and Lex are just, you know, power walking. And there's this one kid just clicking and click and click it and click it. And Lex goes, okay, that's enough.

And we're power walking. That's enough. Woof, he just knocked the camera out of the kid's hands. I go, what the fuck are you doing, bro? He's like, I told him that's enough. And that was Lex back then. The Lex that I would later be with. in San Francisco,

complete opposite, like the antithesis of that guy. And we still got Lex in him. But the bottom line is he's one of the nicest human beings on this planet. I was there at the Hall of Fame last year. What a beautiful night.

And you had the honor of inducting him in the Hall of Fame. What did that night mean to you? A lot. It should have been sting. It should have been sting. because that's that's the real brotherhood of like those two like i understand what you're saying but if not for you he's not literally standing up there yeah but the bottom line is i we we we

we even were trying to make it so we could both do it you know i'd do a little bit with him and that sting because sting sting sting is yeah sting is sting but sting is with a ewe yeah um so uh being able to do that was strong. But here's what, and people have heard this story, but they don't realize that down Pamela City Beach where we built Pages Retreat, there's, I literally, when you get off the bottom floor, there's four floors, so you would come around and come out the door, which you can just roll out, and then you roll right onto my boardwalk that comes around the house and then go straight out to the beach. I did that for Lex so he could roll and get out there and then get up and walk the rest of the way. We had him. We had great footage of him just putting

his hand on my shoulder and walking like 15 feet, 20 feet. He had that. And we were getting, we were going to rehearse it, like, once we get to Vegas. And when Lex went to get out of the car in Atlanta, you know, the Uber, the guy came around with the chair, but he didn't hold on to it. So when Lex went to sit on it, it slid. Boom. He hit that concrete, and he felt so bad. He's like, I feel so bad.

I can't walk. and, you know, I want to do this for you. Like, fuck me. This is about you. And we're doing a documentary. Okay? So another, oh, almost, you know? So there's going to be a Lex documentary coming out at some point in time. That's the goal.

That's the goal. And it's got to be when he's hit that spot where he feels really comfortable. He'll heal. His physical and mental action will tell us when that is. and we're not there yet, you know, if anything for that hurdle. But he did get up that last, you know, two steps and he did stand up there. And that was, that was really special. And his bonus son, as I call him, Jonathan, was right there to roll him out.

And it was a special, special, special moment. And it's long overdue. And I love Triple H. People still don't want them. I love them. He made all that possible, you know? What I think is amazing about you is you see something in people that they necessarily don't see in themselves sometimes.

And I think that it takes you to, like, shine a light on that for those people to be able to see it. Where'd that come from for you? The person I think about immediately is dusty. Because, phew. No, dude, I mean, I didn't know really. lock for a wristwatch when I went to Florida Championship wrestling. I'm still running my little nightclub that we got down there in Fort Myers.

That's where I made my money because the first three and a half years, it cost me money to be Dompt's House page. And at one point, I literally ended up working phone calls from Michael, Michael Graham, late great Michael Graham, who put me on the phone with Dusty. I had strep throat and he wanted me to just cut a promo on him I'm like

hello good God dust the rules the tower of power the man of the hour I mean dude I ripped off everything he ever said I yeah it frigged Jesse said Captain Laudadal Bato said I don't remember what I said but I ended it with

that's all I got dream I got strep throat And, dude, it was like, it was like it felt like an hour. It was probably 30 seconds. And then I hear, well, that a recording kid? And bottom line is, he set a meeting. I came up there. He just, he loved my energy, man. He gave me like an inner power.

He said, we're going to make you to just have been sure of the nine And I'm like, Dusty, I don't know. A wrist lock for rich lock. I can't go out there and call that. I can, you know, do smoking mirrors with the promos, you know, for manager. He said, don't worry about a kid. Go on solely, going to walk you through it all. So I got to sit next to the dean of professional wrestling.

Man, I could call it back then. It could have been a year and a half, but I was almost two years I was there. And I'd work with Gordon friggin the whole time. So when Dusty wasn't making any money in Florida, and he went back and they put polka dots on John Wayne meets Elvis Presley, you know. It was a cool gimmick and people love it, nostalgic, but that was not the American dream, Dusty Rose.

That was something else. He got over, you know, in spite of. So I state the relationship. The relationship, man. And thank you, thank you, thank you, Michelle, Cody's mom, Cody and Teal's mom, because she would always say, don't worry, Dallas. Dusty will call you back because I would call once in a while, you know. I would call it pleasantly persistent.

Like keeping your relationships, like we've developed a really strong relationship in a very short period of time in Florida Championship wrestling because there was no one else there. And so I'd go up there when we shot TV and then I'd go up there another day just to be around him and the business. And I'd get in and I'd even take some bumps here and there

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That's ZAPIER.com slash insight. I say this all the time and it is the most true statement ever. The world is a better place because DDP is in it. Thank you, brother. That's humbling. because I could handle a lot being out there, be DDP and, you know, wrestling superstar and fucking just live with it

because I love the, you know, that all that. That's, you know, it's humbly. You know, it's, and I don't really, I appreciate it, but I don't. But it's true. Look at all the lives you've touched. Like people see Jake to Sank Roberts or Scott Hall or Butterbean or Lex Lugar or Scotty Riggs,

but there's the thousands of other people on your Facebook. Yeah, they don't know about that. There's everybody else like, you're just such a warm, welcoming person. And it's amazing. So when someone like Jake needs help, why do you say yes? You know, I've been asked that a lot lately when it comes to like legacy and shit like that. You know, like, why do you still do it?

And this is my new line because I'm selfish. you do something for somebody. Like, you've read a lot of stuff that people I don't even know them, but they're thanking me. And as I say, it's not just me. I've got just an unbelievable team here from Steve U to Nottie to Dylan to Kimberly. I mean, we have so many people who really care about other people. And it's really good.

if this is a simulation, I'm going to a good spot. But what you do is the least selfish thing. You are so incredibly selfless. How are you not able to see that? Because it makes me feel good about me. And probably about, I don't know, I'd say going into my 60s,

I really look at every decision. How does that make me feel about me? because there are things that, you know, or had my way that aren't, you know, you know, rainbows and unicorns and stuff. And some of them were tempting, you know, but, uh, no, not going to do that. You know, like, I had a chance, and you be, I won't get into it was or whatever, but they wanted me to play, um, a pedophile. It's an acting gig.

But I wouldn't do. because it's like, like, one of the things, like, there's so much I learned on that little bit of run with WW. One was, know your worth. When someone really wants you, you can't be afraid to get up and walk away from the table. And that's what Vince McMahon taught me, you know. And I learned the rest, that lesson the hard way those first six months I was there

and I was gone. But he taught me that. And it's a valuable, valuable, valuable lesson. And the other side of it is make sure you really want to do it. Like if I spend time like at four months from 70, and the reason why I say it like that, a lot of people tell anybody about 50, like, close, you're like a kid.

You know, it was like, you got to, own that. When I, I, I was told so many times I could never make it in professional wrestling because I was three,

I was too old. So I eventually stopped telling people how old I was. And I remember I came up with this one day. So DDP, how old are you? Anyway,

I said, I'm 29 again. He was on there, 29. And it just kind of like, no one listened to the other part, you know? And at some point,

I think I was turning 40, 40, yeah, because my career hadn't taken off yet. I was just turning 40 and people said, someone said, what's your birthday? I said, I said, have 29 again. He goes, you're not 29. I said, I didn't say it was 29. I said I was 29 again. I can't afford to think any older. And from next year, my career exploded, you know, at the end of my 40s going in.

to 41. It exploded. So then it became like, this is the, you know, the 11th anniversary of my 29th birthday. And I took that right up to 49. And when someone said to me, we had a party, and someone said, so, dude, how old are you now? I said, I'm 12 months from 50. He went, you're a 50? I went, I didn't say that. So that's why I lead him with four months from, Now, once it gets to the six-month part, you know, I start tacking it down. Because every time I get older, so far, that's a positive thing. Yeah. Getting older.

Yeah. And I'm still in really good shape. And I don't beat my body up. I'm smarter. How do you feel about 70 being on the horizon? I think sweet. You've seen my wife. I mean, I'm that, I just, we just celebrate our sixth year together, our four-year

wedding anniversary. Four years ago, I threw her a surprise wedding. And my daughter, Brittany, did all the work as far as putting it together, but I got the people there. And it was so much fun. I still, I said this to guys last time I was at a party, Christmas party, one of my best friends that we were in like ninth grade. And I said, it came up how we were together me and paid. and like six years, I go, we have no baggage. And her face is just, well, but, and I said, I never said anything stupid to her. And she has never poked the bear.

Now, if you poke the bear, you'll find Diamond Dallas face somewhere in there. But that's not who she is. like when we were getting married for this, she doesn't know it yet, but we were forgetting, though, when we were getting to see each up for the first time

in six plus years, and we'd been talking for three months, but we still didn't, like, get together. Now was the day, December 9th. And she sent me a text that said, oh God, don't tell me, I can't remember it now. Finding someone's true love, is finding someone who speaks your language

so you don't spend an eternity translating your soul. And that's the person I found. So it's going to be 70, I'm preparing for 80, 90, and 100. That's what I'm preparing for. How long you want to live till? As long as my body holds up. So 150, 160.

You know, it's funny you say that because when Arnold turned 50, he said, It's such a shame that the first third of my life is over. As only he can say it, right? But, you know, dude, I want to, as long as I can still be me, you know, and show the, you know, the best parts of me. That's the parts I want to throw out there, you know.

Have you seen the comparisons between your career and L.A. Knight's career? I love that kid, man. And I mean, he, I love the tenacity, you know, of the stick-to-to-ness. Like, it took him a long time to get to that character. And he was good before that. But now he's great. And, you know, hopefully at some point he gets a chance to really get that ball because he can run with it.

Give him that damn ball because that cat, he's got it all. And people who say that he's mimicking this character, that character, that's so wrong. He's a piece of all that. He grew up on all of us coming up, wanting to do what we do. And now he's doing it at its highest level. So I saw that article. I actually said it to him because it was really cool. I thought it was just going to be a little blurb, but just comparing our careers.

How old were you? When you won the WCW Championship? 43. 43. You know how old L.A. night is right now? 8043? He's 43. Parker looks great.

He looks great, man. He really does. I'd tell you, I was also, Ouse, you know, when he got that shot for the world title, and that, you know, that whole rumble, bringing the thing, man, I was so happy for that kid. I was so happy.

You're talking about guys who put their work in. You know, them two brothers. Yeah. Those two brothers, they put their work in. They're two very, very, that's a talented family right there. There's some serious sound Kishi put out there. You've known Brom Brom Breaker, like, almost his whole life, right?

Well, not nearly his whole life. Really got to know him when he was starting, you know, when he was finishing up playing up, Kenneslaw football. Okay. Because he got drafted by, uh, Baltimore Ravens. And I, you know,

it would have been funny if he would have made that team. I think, first of all, it was the greatest thing that happened to him that he didn't, but he had that shot.

And he knew right away, I was working with him. We, you know, we trained together a lot. And I don't mean in the ring. I mean, in the gym, he wasn't afraid to do DDPO.

He wanted to do it with me. And all the, all those Steiner brothers, man, there's beast mavericks a beast um hudson is is fucking he's an animal as well and then you go to brandon and you got brock with scotty scotty steiner i mean i love that so many of the boys suds are just real gentlemen and to be able to watch bronzen you know because he's always going to be Bronset to me, you know? Wow. He just, he has it in spades and they've seen that since the beginning.

Yeah. And I heard one promo he cut in Scotty. I was talking to Scotty Steiner and he's like, yeah, when he was 11, he used to come down here, you know, and I'd come back and he cut that same promo on me back then. What a trip. Imagine I have, you know, you're the son of one of those two beasts. Do you see Rick and Scott in him? Oh, absolutely. Like from A to Z. And he's kind of a mold of both that. Yeah. The way he cuts promos is very Scott Steiner-like.

Oh, yeah. That's who you get. He just, you know, he's his old man's his idol, but that's his uncle. He cut a pretty big path, you know. I feel like in 2026, there's a good chance he's the world champion. I would love.

to see that man and you know what he's you know i haven't talked to him probably in about a month or two but humble feet on the ground and you got you got to know who you are you know you don't forget that but you want to always try to keep your feet on the ground because that's the guys who continue to excel you know you don't you don't want to be too much of a headache and we know we've heard the stories about guys that I won't mention that I've been a bit of a headache to work with, you know? You have known Cody Rhodes pretty much his whole life. You're like an uncle to him, right?

To a certain degree sometimes. What do you make of what he's doing now? He's in his second WWE championship run and the work he's doing now. Well, you know, I look at he's a made man at this point. When you headline three WrestleMania is alone, you know, but you get the double back-to-back Royal Rumble. Yeah, I look at him losing that first time. I'll never forget the conversation we had because he was told he was going over that first time

for a long time. And then things started to, you know, change. And they do. They just change. Like, I would never believe that. something as big as that was going to happen until it was on my way to the ring. And there was no way they could change it. You know, but I'd said to him, I said, really?

Is it, is it that bad if you don't win? I mean, is it really? He goes, I knew you were going to say that. He said, you know, man, you don't win. They want it more. and then following year, where are you?

And it has to go through the hurdles with the rock and all of that. There's one thing I've instill and I try to instill in every one of them because Cody's not the only person I've talked to, you know, coming up through the business,

I've talked to a lot of kids, men and men and women. And what sometimes look like the worst things to happen to you for my life, from my vision, The video game I'm playing,

it has always been the best thing that ever happened to me. The easiest example is, I break my back, you're done. It's over. No. In less than three months, I'm back. In five months, I'm the world champ. I'm living the dream on its highest level. And then this DDP yoga thing happens.

and it takes eight years. If you had in my managerial years starting and going up to where my career took off, it took eight years to be an overnight success of professional wrestling. DDP yoga, it took eight years to be an overnight success. Like, we own this building. Yeah, we don't have any debt.

Everything we have is above board. And it took eight years for that to finally happen. We called us a place at Shark Tank Bill. Was Shark Tank the inflection point? It was where we made the money to say, okay, let's get out of the house. But you didn't make a deal on Shark Tank. Nope. But that wasn't there for.

Just the advertising. Exactly. And those episodes repeat all the time, right? It repeats all the time. But what it did is it gave us credibility. Like the first thing it gave us credibility was Arthur, disabled veteran. You know, like, if he could do it, literally billions of people have seen that because they've taken it and put it out of languages. And, you know, just on our Facebook, you got, it's like 350,000, you know, or YouTube, like over 100,000.

You know, people have, excuse me, 100 million, whatever it is, 100 million, not 100,000, 100 million. And 350 million, you know, that's how you'll get on your way to a billion. But, you know, I create the stories pretty much. Steve tells him. And he's a great storyteller, man. So thankful. I wouldn't have any of this success without him. And vice versa.

You know, because we both would have been successful, but together, kind of like Mick Jagger would be really great by himself. And Richard would be really key. They'd be really good by himself. But together, fuckers are still going at 80-something. you know, playing their asses off. When a high profile name comes to you and wants to lose weight,

wants to turn their life around, where does that begin? Depends who it is. It depends, you know, what they want. So what if it's one of the many wrestlers we know you've worked with? Come on down. Like, just, like, as soon as I can make myself available and you can make yourself, like right now I'm talking with Seamus. and yo he's beginning like he he's been beating up people and that wears and tears your body

but and taking bumps for over 25 years man i mean and and he's such a great kid he's such a he's one of those really great guys to be around and has great energy and so we're talking about him you know coming down and we're like i'm doing a lot of stuff from my shoulders right now and my knees. I'm about to start taking the DDP yoga, Instagram and Facebook build, that kind of stuff, and starting to put these little like fixers. Like if you just do this. Oh, yeah. Those videos are great. Yeah. So, and but I'm also going to put it if you come back, you can put it into a workout. So you just, it isn't just doing that. Now it will be if I'm doing power cuffs because there's some stuff I do, I don't even use weight. I'll just use bands for my shoulders and stuff, because I don't

want to put any extra, you know, effort on the joints. And what's great about the power cups is you're lifting like a third of the weight. You've done it with me numerous times. Wild. So, you know, for me coming in like with Chamis, I want to see what he can do, you know, and then, okay, so, and what kind of bodywork. It doesn't matter who it is, you know, Drew McIntyre. You know, like I remember when he tore his bicep. As soon as that bicep was prepared and they did that rehab, he drove seven and a half hours here to work with me and turn around and drove back again.

You know, it was easy for AJ because he's like 20 minutes from here. AJ styles. Yeah, and AJ is the perfect example of really what I wanted to see the guys do for themselves. Try it. the way I teach you to do it, then make it your own. Like, what do you really feel you need? Your knees and your backs and your hips? I mean, where is it?

Where is it nagging right now? And finding that spot, right now, again, I'm trying not to have knee replacements or shoulder replacements. That's my goal. I don't know if that's possible. I know I'm bone on bone right there on both on all four. but the things that I've been doing, I have to do them daily. And when I do, I don't get that stiffness.

I don't get that pain. It's like, you know, it's like, what's it called? D40. What's it called again? WD40. That's like you're spraying that on your joints. Yeah, but it's the way I move. And the way I let gravity take me, you know, as opposed to just getting

into it and hitting it, you know, and there's so many things. I've got, I've got such a long list of things I'm planning on doing. I'm just waiting for the, you know, we're pretty much built at Pages Retreat in Panama City Beach, but we haven't completely moved there. That's going to happen after the first. And I'll still be here in Atlanta, but I'll be there most of the time. Do you think if it's not for you and Jake working together that Jake isn't with us anymore then? Well, Jake would tell you that. It's pretty unbelievable when I think about knowing Jake as long as I have and as well as I have that Motch, Roddy, Scott, Hulk, Jake's outlived everybody. Like, wow.

And I've been sober for over 14 years right now. Wow. Yeah. When I see him and Cheryl together, boy, it's, to me, it's amazing because you would think there is no way. But yeah, because when you have that real love, you just have to be in the right set of mind for it. You know, and Jake is that guy now, you know. You have such a big heart. Why do you care so much? Again, dude, I'm selfish. That's it. It's really is because, It's like, I try to turn off on it and stuff, but it's, it's, it's like, I'm so, my wife says this I'm addicted, you know, to, to doing what I do. And I will find a time in between. This is so funny. Being Chavis, we go back or forth, and he goes, ah, I wish I could get down there, but I'm, okay.

You know, you know, but when I come back off the sloop, when are you going to be there? So it's, I want the guys to come down to the beach because that's where, you know, it's beautiful down there. That's where you got to come next. I can't wait. But you're so hospitable. Like, you've allowed me to stay with you numerous times. You cook wonderful, beautiful, delicious meals. You know, you open up your house to me.

You don't, you don't need to care that much yet you do. And I want to say thank you for that. Yeah. I just, again, it's help people out, you know. And, you know, you are universally liked by all the guys that I pretty much know out there. I'll try to keep it that way. Yeah, it's a positive thing. Thank you.

I watched Change or Die, and it's so powerful. What did you think going into it? What did you think going into it? You had told me a lot about it. And I kind of went in going, all right, you've got these five people from five different walks of life that need to change their lives in different ways or else at some point. Yeah. They could die. I obviously knew Buff Bagwell's story.

I knew Butterbean story and he had been on the show, thanks to you. Right. I didn't know the other three story, but man, they're powerful. I watched the first few episodes. I even texted you. I'm just like, how did you handle Buff Bagwell? Well, there was only a certain time limit that I would allow myself to be with Marcus. I've always loved Martins.

I stopped calling him buff because buff's an asshole. You know, especially when it's straight buff and it's not sober buff. You know, he's hard. You know, I don't want to be around him. So I would have my 15-minute meter. And the other night, a couple weeks ago, my daughter, her boyfriend put together a dinner party.

His real name is Rock. A great, great guy. But the last to come was Mark and his fiance, Stacy, who is like Britney's second mom. And I thought, oh God, how long am I going to be able

to handle Marcus? Like he said, we're sitting right there. We can't help but talk the whole time. I called them up later. I said, dude, that's the best time I've had with you since you were like 24. I noticed that he was 21 years old. And he's clean now. Yeah, he's clean now. How long has he been sober for?

Three years, man. He's a completely different person now. The completely, let me, I've got to pull this up. There's this, there's one of my buddies who has always, always watch what I've done. He's one of my speaking mentors. And, like, he's the first thing I ever, he's the first guy who ever heard me do. And he's speaking and all, which I did in this living room, you know, for what I was, what I was working on. And I, when I was on, you know, Shark Tank or HBO Sports or whatever, he goes, I love what you're doing, blah, blah, blah.

You know, only you, but he keeps me, always keep me in there. So he said, just saw you've got a. new show. He said, sitting down, big cup of coffee, downloaded to be. Oh, I love it. It's free. Going to watch the first couple of episodes, a bowl of fruit and off to the gym. This guy's like 73, 72 years old. So that's on October 4th. On October 6, okay, okay, I surrender. I'm adopting Taylor. I said, what episode are you on? He said six. I said, keep me, posted. Next day, he kind of takes me back.

He goes, okay, I just finished the journey, and I have to say my first thought is, I need therapy. What a roller coaster ride. 12 on out of 10 scale. And then he goes on to put me over or some stuff.

But just like that, like that says it all about change or die. And I love it when people, you know, like share it with each other. It really will inspire to hell out of you. And that's really mine and Steve Yu's goal is to inspire people, but not just to inspire them for the moment,

inspire them for a lifetime. And that's why, like, as part of DDP yoga, we were just talking about this. Like, we used to do this challenge, a positively unstoppable challenge. and we picked champions and, man, I could never, I never took three because I couldn't pick three. In the first year, I think there was five, and it was seven, and it was nine, and it was 15, and I was like, okay, we're not doing this anymore.

Because there's still people have to say no to, you know, and to them, I'm sure they think, you know, oh, I wasn't good enough. That's the last thing they need. So I said, think of something different. And of course, Steve came up with M. Nadia came up with Transformation University. And it's like an online. It's part of our curriculum. What we do, if you want to be a part of it, here's, you're going to learn a lot of accountability,

but you're also going to get people that literally are doing the same thing you're doing like-minded that give a shit. And everybody wants to help each other. Like, when I started doing change or die, the last thing I've told people, this is not a fucking reality show. I don't, I'm not going to set you up to screw with each other. I want you to come together and help each other. That's when you have a really strong force. That's what T.U.

Transformation University has done unbelievable. And we're doing two semesters a year. So they come in for graduation. We've already done one. And we're about to do the second one right now, coming in here in January, and then we'll start all of, we're already started with January 1st. So coming in, go to Transformation University, if you want to be a part of a group of people who aren't just trying to change your lives, are trying to own their lives.

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Do it now. They made a shitload of money with a thing called Just Do It. You know, but do it now. Like, there's times for myself. And this is the same shit I have to do for myself. Because, I mean, my bed is so comfortable. It's so cozy. There's mornings I just don't want to get out of that fucker.

You know, I don't want to go. but I have to because you have to do three other things and to do this you have to get up now. And I do it. And this is really fascinating. There's a part of the brain. Let me see. It's AMCC, the anterior mid-singulate cortex.

And it's at the bottom of the brain. And it's the only muscle that will actually grow. Word I'm looking for. Discipline. Every person has the ability to do what they know they need to do, when they need to do it, whether they feel like doing it or not. You see, that spot right there. Whether you feel like doing it or not,

when you actually get the fuck up and go do it, the brain at AMCC, gets a little bigger. And the reason why the AMCC is big in a lot of athletes, because they're made to do shit when they're in that sport, whether it's football or basketball or soccer, whatever it is,

they're made to go that one step further. Push yourself to that step that you don't want to do. When you start doing that and you start to really build the interior mid-singulate cortex, get more, You sit different. You talk different. Everyone just wants to be confident. That's really it. They want to have that confidence. That's the biggest aphrodisi act. Someone walks into the room. The Rock walks in this room. He'll light it up like Fourth of July, right?

Sure. Cody Rhodes at this point, right? They'll light it up. The bottom line is, is that everyone has that gift. You just have to pull out of you. And that's what you're going to learn. And the first thing, like, people don't even get to talk to me. And you just heard Steve say, that list is really long now. There's the list. The app cost you nothing to try. If you just give it seven days and you actually do it seven days in a row. So you create a habit. When your disciplines become a habit, now they're just a part of your life. That's when you realize the discipline is the truest form of self-love. Ignoring

the current pleasure for the bigger reward to come. That's how you build that. And I'm just geared this way, because I train myself like this. I mean, I get up, it ain't a big deal to you either. I jump, I don't care.

How cold that cold plunge is, I'm going in. And it may be two minutes and it may be 10. It depends how cold it is. Isn't it funny, though, that when you take that cover off, your brain starts doing funny things, ah, you grab a cup of coffee first.

Don't you need to go to the bathroom first? Like, tricking you, right? Do it, do it now. Do it now. Do it now. Now, if I do have to go to the bathroom, I will go to the bathroom. I don't want to be thinking about that.

But do it now. Like, just do it. Get in, do it now. And my buddy, Tony Friedman, who was one of the finalists of the Olympias for years, for years, bodybuilder, great guy. He said it the best. He said, that's first 15 seconds.

I hate getting in this thing. But the next 15 and moving on, I'm so happy I'm here. Because you did it. Now you're there. You're sitting there. And the number one thing that it applies, that's the number one thing. If you've got anxiety, it's this simple, right? just breathe and try to take it like a three count in the beginning and then three count out then build

to a five and there's a book called breath a buddy of mine had sent me uh the the downloadable i love that book that's why i tape my mouth when i sleep now it's unbelievable right yeah it's uh really hard to do with this because of the beard and shit i've tried doing that but i'm when i'm not talking i'm breathing it out in my nose, unless I'm trying to make a point so you can actually hear it. But when you can breathe in and out for five, by the time you get to the fifth breath, that anxiety that's been eating at you is going to dissipate. It's going to start to go away because the story you should be telling yourself is, what if it all works out?

You know, but what if it all works out? you know, and this two shall pass. Like, those are the things that you learn, especially, and this is the most important thing I've learned in my entire going to be 70 years, you know, is the breath. And if you really do, if you can, when you feel the anxiety coming, if you can just turn the camera on yourself, you'll realize your.

you're not breathing at all. The only difference between excitement, God, this is amazing. And fear is whether you're breathing or not. So force yourself to breathe all the air out, the then. And every single time, it works. I love the idea that if you are going to look at

what the worst thing that could happen in a situation is, that you have to also look at what the best case scenario is, too. Because that has more, that could happen even easier. There was a study, and this is something that I talk about when I'm speaking, there's a study that Cornell did, Steve's school. It did a study on worrying, and they followed a large group of people for a significant period of time. And what they learned, 85% of the shit we worry about,

never happens. Never happens at all. Might even close. The really cool part of that, though, is of the 15% that's left over, 79% of those people whose worries literally came to fruition, that way better than I thought it was going to. Someone were glad it happened because they learned something from that scenario that was so valuable, right? It's not how many times you screw up or make mistakes or fall down. It's not many times you get back up. What do you learn from the mistake? If you're doing the math,

97% of the shit you worry about never happens. So what if it all works out? This two shall pass. Like, these are the inner voice. And this is what, for DDP yoga, that's what it's about. It's not the workout. It's not the three different eat. plans, 90-day programs.

It's not about that. It's about this. The six-h inch piece of real estate in between your ears, that's what it's about. It's about helping people reboot their brains because it doesn't have to be like that. And we're headed into a very scary time where AI is going to be the greatest thing never happened and the absolute worst. Just the internet. It's the internet on steroids.

So, own your breath. And you will not have to deal with as much adversity as you would. And if you do, you know how to handle it. Practice when you're driving. You won't have any road rage.

Yeah, again, it's like, and I was a road rage guy. You know, younger and stupider. Ignor, I should say. You know, to an immune understanding of breath. Do you have a favorite quote that you always come back to? Always.

Since I was 22, you can get whatever you want, as long as you help enough people get what they want. And that's another reason why I do what I do. And there's times where you think, God, that's Zig Zig Zig Zig Zig. Yeah. Man, that cat. Yeah, I'm not a Bible thumper by any stretch of imagination.

He is. But God, the things that come out of his mouth. I mean, there were so many great quotes. I'm just totally blanked right now, but there's a one point I could do like 10 different quotes. I'll give you another Zig Zig Ziglar quote I love. Go for it. You don't have to be great to start, but you have to start to be great.

A hundred percent. So good. It's like common sense. But it's so true. Yeah. You know, it's so true. The guy just had, I remember reading this book, and he said, as I'm reading this book, I'm speaking on how I've, I'm 136 pounds, and at the time I'm 186 pounds as I write this book.

So by the time I finish it, I better be down to 136 pounds. It was something like that, you know, paraphrasing, but you get the picture. Got to see it. I tell people all the time. The people who say, I'll believe it when I see it. Unfortunately, they don't really have the ability to see shit. But the people who say, I believe it because I see it, those are the game changers.

Those are the people who make shit happen. My whole life, like, when I was in the AWA as a manager, and they didn't really know what to do with me being 6'4, or cowboy boots over 6-6 and, you know, freaking towered over my wrestlers. Can't believe it ever really happened, you know? But my whole life was wrapped around. At some point, I'm going to end up at a WWF.

Like, it's going to happen. I'm going to end up in the WWF. Now, what I should have been saying is, I'm going to be in the main event at WrestleMania. That's because I got what I said I was going to do. Yeah. I got it. I got it.

I wasn't how I wanted it to be, but it was extenuating circumstances, and I get all that. But the bottom line is, if I would have focused on being in the main event at WrestleMania, I guarantee you. Everything I did would have been different. So set specific goals.

Specific as fuck, man. Like, if you take my goal setting system as an acronym, SmackDown, The first word is specific, measurable, achievable. Specific, measurable, achievable, C, can't remember what ever see? Keep it going, kiss K, what the hell is see? How the hell can I forget that?

Do it, own it, write it down now. For down. What the hell? Compatible. Compatible to your lifestyle. That just goes to show you, I haven't said that in so long, but it's still there. Like, guess what's not compatible?

I'm going to lose 20 pounds. Boy, I love these chocolate donuts. Not compatible. It's got to be compatible to your lifestyle. You can't burn yourself out and expect to be running. By the way, I don't know if you saw this, but I just saw this. It's fascinating to me. if you go back, they said it the four-minute mile could not be broken.

Yes. And his name was what? Roger Bannister. Roger Bannister. He broke it in 1957, 1957. The guy who was his number one competitor broke that record and beat his record. So within like six months. Right.

And then it was another one. There's a 15-year-old kid last, I don't know, like last month, broke it, why he did a, he did a, a 359 mile. He's 15.

Wow. I mean, it's, what do you hear there? He never heard ever, that's impossible. They thought it was scientifically impossible. Right. The former minister did it.

They thought it was scientifically impossible. Your heart could explode. Yes. And now like high school kids are doing it. Wow. Yeah. Right. I mean, so again, it's the vision.

You got to see it. You know, when you're pulling yourself down, you do that really easily, don't you? Ha ha. You know, it's that emotional gravity, all the weight. Let it go. Let it go. Breathe. Breathing.

Five in, five out. Do you want to keep going with the Smackdown? Sure. Okay. What's K? Well, keep it going. Okay. Down.

Do it. own it, write it down now. And I was like, God, that came together so perfectly because it's everything that I do. Yeah. You know, now I have alarms. I'm so glad by the phone, I turned them all off before I started this,

but I will get an alarm, and that alarm will keep coming. And Paige will just go do it, right? Because I'm pushing it for another 10 minutes because I don't want to forget to do whatever I'm going to do. You know, I want to make sure that that happens. And, you know, it comes together.

But there's so many tools to make people successful right now. You've got your Hall of Fame right hand. And I feel like with all of the people that you've helped and what you're talking about, you can get anything in life that you want if you help enough people get what they want. Sure. I feel like you could have another Hall of Fame right. I feel like you could be inducted for just, call it, a DDP humanitarian award or something like that.

That's flattering and thank you. It was so funny when I went to, my first acknowledgement came from the NWA for the guys out in Waterloo. They were the first one to acknowledge me as a hallfamer. Wow. And the next one was the Circle, cauliflower alley club. And it called me, Brian, it called me, Brian Blair called me,

and he said, we want to put you in as the humanitarian this year, bro. We want, you know, it's the 50th year, it's coming up, and we want you. And I just remember myself saying to myself at some point, what we're doing today is going to dwarf my wrestling career. I said that to Brian Alvarez, like 16 years ago, 17, It was before DDP yoga took off. And he's like, bro, that's a bold statement.

He said, you had a hell of a career. I said, yeah, man, but I just believe. I knew Arthur, what had done. So I knew I saw that. But it's still frigging hurt. I said to Brian, I said, God, Brian, how the hell am I not in your Hall of Fame for a wrestler? He goes, oh, you're in for that too.

He said, you're going to be the first one. We're going to give the awards to the same guy. I was like, wow, I'll be there. And it was two different nights. It was great to be able to do that because it was like, I consider the best thing I've done in wrestling is my Hall of Fame speech. Because it, like, the cauliflower club was good.

But it could be so, it could, it was the same. speech but not. It was so much better. It was great for me to do that. Okay, okay, I like what I did there, but this needs to go to a different level. And I was, I hated that I was, I was bummed because I forgot Big Show,

because we rode together, and he took care of him, he looked out for me all the time. I forgot Medusa, and I forgot Tony, Tony Chivani. So I put them all, but boy, I felt bad because they were, people on my life.

Yeah. You know, Deuce, when I was at the AWA. Like, I was manager Medusa, man. Like,

Medusa could have run, Medusa and Sherry Martel could have ran with these women today so hard. Oh, my God. If you could have just popped that, boom, boom, over and watch Charlotte Flair and Medusa.

Oh. You know, you know, I mean, there's a lot. Mommy. her and Sherry Martel, please show me that match. You know?

I mean, these girls are beasts today, man. They really are. Yes. I mean, like, I, there's some of those matches. I don't want to be discrimination against guys, but some of those matches are unbelievable. Oh, for sure. Yeah.

It was whoever's idea was to do the all-women's battle royal whoever's idea that was, that was a legendary move. Oh, yeah. You know. You are the fun answer to a trivia question of who David Arquette technically won the WCW championship from, right? Well, he beat Eric Bejohn. But who was the champion going into the match?

I know. So stupid. That was the one. Stupid that Arquette won? Yes, that it was an idea that even, I love. love David and he really, go see friggin, you can't kill David Arquette. Oh, yeah. Pull that documentary up because he really won the hearts of the wrestling fans, you know,

and I, you know, I'm an actor. You know, I'm playing a part there. And Bischoff reminded me of that beforehand. That's when him and Rousseau just came back together. They had never, that was like the first. big decision that they made. And I, it is what it is,

but, you know, looking at it today, I mean, frankly, you got jelly out there. You got so many celebrities out there. And I think if you go back and look at the match of me and,

me and Malone against Rodman and Hogan, as far as celebrity matches, man, it's at the top of a heap, you know, that main event spot. I was really proud of a jelly roll, though.

He crushed it at SummerSlam. He did such a good job. Yeah, he really did. And I got to put my boy, Paul Walter Houser over the match that he did with QT. I was like, man, when I always called him Walter, he's still Walter to me, W. Because back in the day, Paul was a pussy. That's the way I saw Paul. He won't my rib?

He wanted to love wrestling so much, but he took a first bump and he was, he was injured already, you know. But Walter, Walther's killer. Like, Walter is why Paul Walter Hauser is in the top one percentile of great actors. Who loves what we do? And that match, I said, I'm, dude, you're one of us now. I mean, you're, you're one of the hardcore guys who went and QT did a hell of a job with him, but so did W. Boy, he really did a great job of that match. I was so proud of him.

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I'm going to have Raven on the show soon. I've always wanted to hear the story behind Raven smoking you with that stop sign on MTV. Carson Daily is sitting there conducting this interview. Foo Fighters are sitting next to you as this is happening. Nobody knows except for me and Carson and Raven. Nobody else knows. Now, I know Scottie's going to hit me with a stop sign. But those big stop signs, they were awesome.

Boom! And they would bend with you. Rave couldn't find one. The stop signs this big, and it's fucking steel. We're doing our bit. He's up there. What about me? What about raving on the TV?

After you, you know, when I came back this up. I'm very proud of Trish Jericho, man. Everything he has done with his whole life, his whole career, everything. but Fazi started out to be just, you know, a fun band. They were, they were Aussie fans, right? Yeah. And Rich Ward was Stuck Mojo. He was this band that I was going to be doing some color for because, you know,

Rich and Rachel, they come out with their frigging, with the, with the belts, and they're tag teamed and they're going to slide in. They start wrestling. This is the video that I'm on MTV for and how we use Raven to come in and shoot our angle. And so Rich, who is also with Fossey, him and Chris Jericho on the band, and what they've done with that band.

And like, what a great life. Whatever Jericho, I don't know, whatever, whatever he's eating or sleeping or whatever. His simulations off the charts. I want to be a wrestler, check. I want to be a rock star, check. I want to be a podcast guy. Check.

I want to host, oh, let's do something like Vice. Yeah. What is it? What's it called? Dark side of the ring. Dark side of the ring. I want to have a wrestling cruise that also has rock and roll music. Kiss did it?

Why can't I? I want to be a bestselling author. Sure, why not? done it all. A lot of props. And he's still going. And he's still going. And I know that I said it on somebody's show and it kept going and said, DDP said he's going to be in a rumble. I've no idea. But sure makes sense though, don't it?

It makes sense. Everything like just come all together. It's your, not or Tony's going to have to pay him like $100 million or something. I don't know. It would make sense. I mean, with the perfect timing of it all. But back over to friggin' rich Ward. And Stuck Mojo, that's the video we're watching.

I'm sitting next to the footh fighters, right? And frigging goes to the fuzz and here comes Raven. And at some point, he comes out and he hits me so hard with that little steel stop sign. It left the lump on my head. David Grohl jumped up into the arms. of his drummer. I think he wasn't, he was elite singer for food fighters.

But I think that was his drummer. Yeah, Taylor, yeah. Yeah, right. And it scared the shit out of them. And then he did, he teed me through the table. The table shatters. And afterwards,

all of us are watching it back and laughing our ass off and roll. I mean, I don't know if he ever knew that it made that I completely ripped off the fucking Nirvana. It smells like Pete's spirit. That's right.

Yes, man. That was funny as hell. And he never said it. I wasn't going to say anything. But from what I understood, what was his wife's name? Courtney Love? Courtney Love. She owned the rights to that. From what I heard, I wasn't sure.

So it wouldn't matter to him anyway. Yeah, you told the story when you were on the show last time of how you got your WCW themed to sound. A lot like smells like teen spirit, but not quite. The man who never ages, Jimmy Hart. Unbelievable. My wife, when she's seems, she's like, he's

still, he hasn't aged at all. Isn't he? I don't know. I think, I know he's older than I am, though. Let's look it up. All the world's information in our pocketing. I don't care what age he is. He still looks like he's singing with a gentries. He's unbelievable. You talk about the nicest human

being ever. You know, like, no He's got no negative say about Jimmy Hart. Jimmy Hart, baby. He is 81. Wow. On January 1st, he'll be 82. Wow. What a legend.

Wow. Man. Wow. And I just, I just saw him there, you know, not too long ago. Man. Looks exactly the same. Do you have a favorite diamond cutter of all time? Oh, God.

There's been a couple of them. One of my favorites got to be with Eddie Guerrero, where I did, he came up with it. I didn't come up with it. You know, he'd roll them up on my shoulder and boost them and he flips in midair. And I went, first he said, how about out of a power bomb? I go, well, how do we do that? You know, here's got your junk in my face. I was, I won't be able to do that.

He goes, no, roll me up on my shoulder. I was nice I say, I roll them up. I go, do what now? You just boost me. And Eddie, of course, just spun because he could. That kind of body control.

But then I saw Zig and friggin Mr. RKO. They did it out of a freaking out of a power bomb. And of course. Randy took him, man. Yeah, that was, yeah. I like to take credit

for out of nowhere, stuff, but Randy took it to a different level. Sure. Yeah, I mean, he really did. And some of them, like, how did you get there? Like the shooting star press from Evan Bourne, that he somehow catches him into an RKO? Crazy, crazy. What? Hey, but one of my favorites ones are Sammy Guevara, boy, on fucking, on Cody off the ladder. Latter to ladder.

There was so much, that, that might be my favorite that I didn't do. You know, because there's so many of them that so many people have done over the years, man, but that one, there was, I called Sammy. I had to call, but you, dude, wow, there was just such room for error, you know, but when you're, when you're that great of an athlete and having roads, obviously, you know, they've been around the card for a while now, and they got to figure it out. The one with Randy Orton and Seth Rawlins at WrestleMania 31,

the stomp into the RKO. What's most impressive about that is they couldn't get it in practice. They couldn't get it in rehearsal. Yeah. And they were like, well, let's just go for it. Right, right. And they did it. It's incredible.

Like for me, I'm a red light guy. You know, there's times where I can't do something. I'm working on work. can't do something. Someone comes by, go here, watch this. You know, and then I can do it. Yeah. So that foot over the head thing, you know, can be, you know, tight sometimes. But, you know, I start to lose it and go, come on, the red lights on. What's been the most painful thing for you in the ring? I broke my back. It rivaled tearing my rotator cuff at my shoulder. I thought both times I was shot with a shotgun, like right into my shoulder and right into my back, man.

I couldn't, you could keep it here like this because you don't have to move it. But your back, you have to move. In Canyon, I said, don't tag me in. I think I just broke my back. You knew. Oh, yeah. We and Canyon were tagging on that. And Kev, that freaking big ass hit.

And it wasn't him. He frigging threw me out there. You know, and like he always didn't, take your own bump. But it's, it was brutal, man. And now we got to drive. Like, we were somewhere in South Carolina, so it was like a three-half hour drive back. Oh, God, it hurts so bad because you can't sit.

Like, my wife's broken her back twice in six places. You know, once in a car crack when she was a kid, 16, and once later, she was 15. feet up, straddling the tree limb, cutting the branch with a chainsaw. What? And when it broke, it snapped back and hit her. Oh. She got shot right out of the frigging thing and fell 15 feet, broke her arm, her leg,

and her back and four places. Oh. She is such a beast. She's so, without, in DDP yoga, helped to go to a different level. Yoga in general, she would be crippled. And she's super strong and super, like, really, really, really, you know, strong and pliable.

But all it takes is one day of two days of not doing it. I'm going to come right back. Did you see John Cena's final match? I saw that, yes. I saw all of the ending coming up. Yeah. I just think that, you know, you look at that finish and people are going to be controversial to it. I bet you he came up with that finish.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Giving. That's a giving cat, man. Because he is never, I never really thought that he was ever selfish in the ring. I always thought that he gave more than he took. And you look at a guy like Gunther. I mean, what a great guy.

to do that with. One is the ultimate heel. He was already a mega heel. Yeah. Well, now he's the guy who retired John Cena and also Goldberg. Right. Right, man. And there's a little bit of a smile on John's face there on the end of that.

And, I mean, good for you, bro. Like, really. Like, what a run. And to come back and to do it his way. going out. Getting that run, getting to be the heel that, you know,

just for some shits and giggles and just to shake up some people, you know? And then you knew he's going to come back. Yeah. But to go out like that, it was the style that he is, you know,

and he's the class in the field. And there was me and you were just talking about this. There's two, when things like this happen, you know you're over at next level, has nothing to do wrestling. What's the show where it's about the Hollywood

show? Oh, the studio. The studio. And it's an agent talking to another agent and in the middle he goes, oh, okay, okay, go. Hey, Johnstein is on the phone. I'll be right back. Like, okay, there, boom. And then I'm watching

pluribus. And let's just call it every, there's not zombies. There's 11 people that are real, still like being you like right now, have a conversation, make our own choices, and the rest of the world is collective. But everyone knows who they are.

They're still the same people. So at some time, this woman who's going, she wants to try to change the world back, up on her TV comes up. Hi, I'm John Cena. Being the character in the show playing John Cena. Like, okay, bro. And he's the voice in like every third commercial on TV.

Right. He's like the busiest guy. I just had him on my show for an hour and a half. And I'm thinking like with everything he has going on, that was leading up to his last match. How does he have time for any of this? He's one of those guys like the rock. You know, how Jericho.

They can just keep on going. And he like hung out after and like chatted with us. And we took photos and like, you have to go to Jimmy Kimmel right after this? Yeah, as long as I'm out of here by three o'clock, I'm good. All right. That's awesome. That's awesome, man.

It's so great that, you know, the Rock, you know, Hulk was the original trailblazer. Really, really, really before that, it would be gorgeous George doing movies. But the Rock took it to a different level and opened the door for John and Batista. Yeah. You know, Dave, I think all three of those guys are such. a great example. I'll tell you the biggest thing. Like,

for Sina, what's the one thing that he's done that you go, that right there? How to hell do you do that? His acting role or wrestling? I'd say peacemaker.

That's probably the, like, it's probably his best performance. To me, it's when he did the SPs. Okay. Like, that's a big deal,

man. You're not playing a character. He's being, John Cena, but he may, he had him in the palm of their hands. Like, that's Billy Crystal shit. You know what I mean? Like, that's really like outside the box. Like, I bet his IQ's pretty high. That's awesome. I'm just, I'm glad he had to run that he got.

And he went out on his own terms. Yeah, right, man. Yeah. A to Z. I always love hanging out with you, D. It's always fun, bro. I appreciate you, man. And I appreciate your friendship. I will ask you the question I've asked you so many times. before but it's how we end every interview what are three things you're grateful for right now today

my wife and kids uh my health um what to be the next it's hard after that you know it's like those are the big ones so so grateful for both of that i mean i say thank you thank you thank you to my wife every single day. Every, and I go, thank you God, thank you God, thank you God. You know, just for allowing me to be as mobile and be able to live a life through example, you know, because I don't tell anybody to do shit that I don't do myself. I had to lose shares what big with you. So my niece, she's a stud athlete and her boyfriend, Cole, is another stud.

And they're both 16. And I'm taking them through DDP yoga and then power cups at its highest level. And when they're shaking a bit, I'm like, all you have to do is keep up with the 69-year-old guy. And that was a special moment. As time goes on, I'm sure Cole, he's really going to take it to a whole nother level. He's a stud wrestler in Pennsylvania. But it's fun. I love working with, you know,

grateful for that my health is not just healthy. I'm healthy. But I'm so, I'm still in really, I feel good. I feel really good. There's times where I do feel 100, you know. There's a good chance I was drinking too much that day because I don't drink that much anymore.

So you get too much in me, then I'm going to feel it the next day. Yeah. But overall, we're so grateful that I've had the, I guess the third thing would be that I've been able to have the impact that people, like, I'm just trying to share shit. I know it works. You know, and that people will, like, that whole give back thing, man, that whole friggin make you feel good about you. And I'm very grateful for that, that I found that a lot of, because a lot of people don't find it.

The world is a better place now because you're in it. Oh, thank you, bro. I appreciate you. Thank you, man. Sweet. Sweet. Jim Rome takes on sports. Why? Because I have a job to do.

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