Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Gallows & Anderson on Paul Heyman, AJ Styles, Impact Wrestling debut, leaving WWE

Episode Date: July 28, 2020

Doc Gallows and Karl Anderson chat with Chris Van Vliet after making their Impact Wrestling debut at Slammiversary. They talk about why they decided to sign with Impact, the role that AJ Styles played in convincing them to stay in WWE, how they were released from WWE, being part of the Bone Yard match with The Undertaker at WrestleMania 36, their issues with Paul Heyman, their podcast Talk'N Shop, their Pay Per View called "Talk'N Shop A-Mania" and much more! Support the show by supporting our sponsors! DEAL DASH- Get an extra 100 Free Bids upon signup by using the code CVVSHOW at https://dealdash.fm/CVVSHOW BETONLINE- Head tohttp://betonline.ag and use the promo code BLUEWIRE for your free welcome bonus! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is the Chris Van Bleach Show. Chris Van Bleachow. Ladies and gentlemen. Chris. Let's do this thing. Welcome back to another audio adventure on the Chris Van Fleet Show. This episode is brought to you by Bet Online and Deal Dash. And the last 10 days for Gallows and Anderson have been pretty crazy.

from their non-compete with WWE expiring to talking all about it on their Talking Shop podcast, then appearing at Slammiversary, and now they're getting ready for their own pay-per-view on August 1st. That's Talking Shoppingamania. We talk about all that. And so much more, including why they chose Impact Wrestling over the other options that they had. Also, why they re-signed with WWE and how they couldn't be happier with how everything worked out. And I couldn't be happier seeing a bunch of new reviews on the podcast. This is so great. I know that I know some other shows charge money for shoutouts.

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on the show. Can you top the ridiculous story about me putting out a fire in my fire truck? So if you didn't catch Slammiversary, you missed out. I mean, I'm sure you've heard all about the surprise appearances from top to bottom. I'm sure you've seen the clips, but it was just such a solid, solid show. Capped off, of course, by the Good Brothers, Gallows and Anderson, who confirmed they've signed a two-year deal with Impact Wrestling. They tell me, yes, while you will be seeing them in a lot of tag matches, they also have some singles plans, too.

They also get into why they were this close to signing with AEW last year and what happened with that, how AJ Styles played a very big factor in them resigning with WWE. why it didn't work out for them in WWE and who didn't believe in them. And then Gallows tells a great story about being pitched the fastest character by Vince McMahon. So buckle up. Woo! It's Gallows at Anderson. Here are good brothers joining me.

Thank you so much for coming on, guys. Hey, thanks for having us. I remember when you asked us about AEW back, I think, is it in Phoenix? At the row, right? We probably gave you a smart-ass answer because we're like, why the fuck is he asking us about a EW? Clearly, we clearly want to leave. Yes, we clearly don't want to be here. We want to be there, but we talk about it.

And you force something that we should have taken, right? How about that? Well, look, hindsight's 2020 now, and you guys are in a great position now, especially coming off a slammerversary. That was a really, really exciting pay-per-view. It was fun. Yeah. The buzz was real on that thing, and it just, our countdown, our countdown worked. Like you said, I think our podcast worked out great.

All the surprises coming in after we were announced, and then the roster just stood up and showed out. And for the new eyes that came on it, I think that we hooked some viewers. So I think it's very cool. It was exciting, man, yeah. If the last time I talked to you guys, which was Royal Rumble last year, you wanted to go to A.W. there was talk of this. You guys were close. You guys were very close.

So why not AEW this time around? Well, September of 2019, we had been talking and talking and talking to them. There was a very, very, very generous offer on the table. And then, you know, WWE does what WWE sometimes does. And they backed the bank truck up to the house and gave us a guarantee that was, I guess too nice at the time for us to pass on knowing that it wasn't the right decision. But now I can honestly say that everything does happen for a reason because we're happy with how things turned out.

But it sucked that we were that close to leave it and we didn't. And we didn't bet on ourselves. And we stuck around and we took their money. And we saw what happened when the pandemic occurred. And, you know, I think that when certain people who we've already spoke on, we don't need to go back over it again, are trying to save, you know,

five or six talent that maybe their money adds up to the two of us. We got put on a list we might not have originally been on and, hey, it is what it is. But now here we are, Slammerversary was a smashing success.

The TV tapings were great and we're headed to talk and shop a mania. Well, I think quickly, I think Chris was asking if, why we didn't go to AW now? Oh, I was just given a political answer. I know. Yeah, well, honestly, I don't know how, I don't know if AEW is like throwing out any kind of offers right now in the middle of this global pandemic.

And like, you know, we're friends with the box. We're friends with Chris Jericho. We're friends of Kenny Omega now. We've spoke with them a lot. But honestly, nothing ever came up, you know. And Scott DeMore hit us up the day we got released. And he's been very, very, very, very open with the fact that they wanted to bring us to impact. And they had an offer for us within, you know, a couple of days after of getting released.

And it was in it, I wasn't dying to go back and wrestle again because WWE kind of sucked some shit away from my brain of even wanting to wrestle. And like he, he, he pushed it really hard. And he made it something that we wanted to do. And so impact literally corded us so well that we were, that's where we chose to go. And we were in, it turned out, it turned out fun. Great. Well, you guys talked on your podcast, talking shop about how you never thought that your name would be on this list.

I mean, coming off of WrestleMania, you guys were part of the Boneyard match, you thought that when there were going to be releases, there was no way, especially after you guys signed your deal, that you would be released. No chance. I would have bet my house on it. I would have. I don't know about my house. There's a big ass house, man. I don't want to lose it. At that time, I mean, well, okay, maybe not like when I saw the Vince video, right, of him saying, we had to lay some people off, be some furloughs. And like, my first thought was like, what the fuck's a furlough? And I looked up real quick. And I googled furlough. I was like, furlough, lay them off for a little bit and then come back. I was like, hmm. Well, there's no. I mean, no. And I went downstairs and I was holding my baby. And I said, Ma, Oritini, like my wife, I go, hey, Vince just put out this video about maybe laying some people off. But I'm not going to lie. Like, I feel confident. I feel confident. I feel confident.

I remember that day and I remember the video and I was downstairs in the gym working out and then I went and sat in the sauna and we were texting with a few of our buddies in a separate text group and they were going oh man I'm really worried I saw the video I saw the video and we were like consoling them like you know uh hey wrestling you know this pandemic's going to be over there'll be plenty of places for you guys to go well here was a good one though we're going to be on the fucking list we're just a really good others they're going to be fine you know there's a lot of options now and then we can fucking called.

Well, Hawkins tells us he got, Hawkins goes, Hawkins got fired, brother. He caught, he talked in the third person. They got the Hawkins and we were like, damn, you know, I'm sorry, Hawkins. But, like, I mean, you know, you haven't been on TV in a while. I probably saw it coming, right? I mean, we're thinking, that's what you're thinking. Poor guy, like, fuck.

But you're going to be okay. Then I look down, I see Corona, Karano ringing my phone. I went, no, hold on. What the fuck? Then I talked to him, right? And then he says, like, fuck, business man, it's all good. the gallows sees the call he answers it and goes and what coronas say had to go phone with your partner and galos goes for what what he did he just stop chronos and i go are you fucking kidding me us and he goes i'm sorry buddy

and i went what the fuck and then i i just i know how how hard and shitty that job can be so i wasn't even mad at him i just wanted to hang up you know what i mean and then you know us being us uh i knew that Carl did not see it coming, that Chad did not see it coming. So I went straight into Carney Brother mode and called and got us booked in Peru and Spain because we thought the world would be open by now. We were just going to be doing a world tour.

Don't worry, brother. We're going to Peru and Spain for signings. I got this amount of money. And I'm also going to run a pay-per-view in my backyard. You can be involved in that or you're not. Either one, I don't care. I'm running the pay-per-view. I go, what are you talking about?

What are you talking about? Let this wrap around my head real quick. Please. I just got canned. Well, and then I got a text from Big E. I don't think I even said this ever. I saw a text from Big E. Like, I remember I was up in my room like just going, what the fuck just happened? And then Big E row, I'm so sorry, Chad. Like, you know, good luck, bro. I love you. And I was like, how does he know, you know?

And then I realized that they put it on their website. I just did what I go, oh, no, the whole world knows. So then I go outside and like, I'm working out outside just trying to get my head right. I'm thinking the neighbors are looking at me. Like I'm a jobless asshole. Everyone thinks I'm a loser. Oh, this is terrible. And I was so fast. What the fuck would they put a it on their website, man. Why do they got to make it like that? And then I realize, I realize you're a celebrity. That's what happens. That's how I made it feel that way. So the first move after, after the call, after finding out you released, is picking the pieces up and trying to figure out where you can get booked immediately? Oh, yeah. I'm not, I don't believe in a rearview mirror at all.

And I've been through this before. And I wasn't worried at all. I know that we have, you know, a big following. We have good buzz. People would want to see us. And, Then it was just like, well, how do we capitalize on this negative, turn it into a positive? And I went to work right away. I've been busy in the last three months and I've ever been in my life because of all the side business stuff with putting out the beer with the podcast, with putting together this ridiculous pay-per-view that we're going to run. And then, you know, the overseas bookings and negotiating with impact and getting, you know,

them being very accommodating, putting all the stuff into that deal that we wanted so that we'd be able to eventually return to New Japan when the world's open and, you know, lots of other stuff like that. And it's just, uh, felt like I had a real job for the first time ever because I'm on Zoom calls and I'm working the phone and I'm talking to these business guys and I'm pitching TV shows and all this shit that we've never really done before. But I mean, why the hell not? And it's all, uh, it's all working out really well.

So, because we thought the hustle side, you know, we, we hustled when we were the, we were the bullet club selling bullet club shirts and taking our, you know, and we made as much money as we possibly could because we have families and that's all you got to just try to make as much as you can right and so like when you sign with wwee you're just like well i mean let's just here we go let's just collect the check do what we can in like five years of just waving that wwee flag and not having to go out and do these side hustles well yeah as soon as we got that release man gallows was on it bro i mean i always missed the hustle i had a secret wrestling promotion that i owned the whole time i was in w w i just lied about it yeah it's like it's

I don't always love the hustle. I like that nice little paycheck coming in and just relaxing. Yeah, but don't you like all that nice extra brother money that I send you away? 100%. I'm a brother, man. So I like to, it's been fun. It's just been trying to get back into the hustle mode again.

And I mean, we're fully back in now. So when you guys signed the five year deal, was it like, all right, like we're allowed WWE lifers. We're going to end up retiring there. Well,

I mean, that's what we were told. You can never full on believe anything that you hear in this business, I don't think. But we really, really, really wanted to believe that and that to be true because we're like, well, this is five years. I mean, not two years, not three years. Five years is a long-term commitment to anything. Which was still hard. It was a lot of money.

I never had a girlfriend for five years. I don't sign a wrestling contract. Or a marriage. Hey, it was. It was a brother. It was still hard to sign that five-year deal. like because that's a five years and like man five's a long time and like we weren't in in hey the w w w w is great to us just like we weren't always it's a really grind that schedule man that schedule

is brutal and so we're thinking like man should we just have done the three years but then like let's just collect on this money you know yeah and like each other we go hey we can do whatever we want when it's over but that's that's lay down money we've both been pretty smart we'll be done if we want to be i mean we'll want to go out and do little brother signings and hang out with the boys and shit like that, but we won't have to do anything. We'll just chill. It'll be done with, you know, we can do whatever, make an appearance here and there.

And they didn't say you'll never get fired. And they didn't say, I promise you you'll never be fired. It's just like, you know, I just felt like in September of 2019, we had a lot of quote unquote leverage, man. And like we could have left W.E. happily, happily.

And we could have made a lot of money outside. And we didn't bet on ourselves. That's why I'm so proud of the, I mean, we did, we're going to, we're continuing to now. but I'm so happy for the for the revival or for FTR to be able to have left on their own terms into their own way. You did it right.

I mean, I messaged them right away and said that's perfect, boy, that's the way to do it, that you did it yourself. If you're not happy somewhere, you can't take the money, man.

You just, you know, it's hard, hard to explain, but. Well, you also had one of your best friends there, AJ styles,

which played a big part in this. If AJ worked for a different company, you think you'd even be interested in signing for five years? And I don't want to, put it all on AJ, but AJ was very, very, very influential when us staying. And that's not the influential. It's not a bad thing. He, you know. But he didn't know either. And I think that's why he felt so bad about it. And it's, we're grown men. It's nobody else's responsibility. But he just was like, I feel so bad. I convinced you guys to stay and told you everything was going to be

all right. And then it wasn't. But we were not bad at him. We were never mad at him for two seconds. I mean, it's, it's wrestling, it's entertainment. And I mean, the wheel keeps on turning. And the fun part for me, maybe not as much for Chad right on the gate, was I was like, well, how do we make that much money and wrestle less and do all this fun outside shit? And I've gotten a big kick out of doing that. And I think we're actually going to do better. So, I mean, there's something to be said for all that too.

And, you know, you just have to, you have to kick it into gear and become a businessman and put it all out there. that's exactly what we're doing. So I mean, you know, that's just being a good friend, you know, that he felt bad because he's a real human being, unlike, you know, some people we've come across in this business that we discussed in an earlier interview. So I appreciate him feeling that way, but we never placed any blame on him for it because he thought it was going to be as great as they were telling us it was going to be. So it is what it is. And he saw the amount of money and when, guys, I mean, you know, I agree, that's your laydown money. So if he would have gone to AED to answer your question? Yep, we'd have been out of there. Because he, because he, his

contract was up too in January and we could have, it could have all, it could have been, it all went together kind of thing. We could have been in mind that yeah. How close do you think he was to going to AED? You know, he, he's on a different level than us, right? So he reached a different top guy, WWE thing. There's a different kind of, there's a different level up there. And he's working with different kind of money than we're working with and working with different kind of creative. And were working with. So I don't know how close he got to leaving. I don't know.

Because they treated, they always treated A.J. Stiles properly. He's a few years. He's a few years older than us. And when, you know, in confidence, he told us what his offer was. It was like, I mean, no matter how good it is outside,

that's going to be really hard to ever say no to anybody giving you that money. I mean, it's just, it would just is. I'd assign that. and quit after a year. Same. Just that's it. Gal was after your first run in WWE, did you ever think that you'd be back there?

No. No, I always said that when we're in Japan that I'll never go back. Wouldn't be welcomed back and wouldn't want to go. So when this was all coming up at the end of 15, we sat in a room in Japan and we took a vote. And Chad and A.J. voted yes. And I voted no. And they were like, what? And I was like, no, I know how it is.

You don't want to do that. Yada, yada. But it was for different reasons than what it ended up being. It was, you know, I didn't like the locker room. But I wasn't a kid in my 20s when I was there the first time. And I went back and the talent were all great. We love and miss a lot of those boys and girls. But it was a different atmosphere, you know, when we got back.

But the problem wasn't any of that stuff. It was just the creative hurdles of the start and stop all the time and the little push and then the little this and this and this. And there was never any. sustained momentum for us was kind of what it would be the problem. But to answer the question, no, I didn't think it'd ever be back. I just look at the, I look at the fastest character and can't believe that that's you. Yeah. What were the original discussions like around that? I mean, it literally, tell me your Vince meeting. Yeah, I was 23 years old. And basically,

they told me to kind of get out of shape. And this was the character that they had for me. Originally, we were going to be hillbillies, which I didn't, I was like, I mean, how far is there is this, like, hillbilly thing going to be able to go? Because originally Gordy was teaming with Henry Godwin. So anyway, then I became the hillbilly. We cut this hillbilly promo that we came up with. And then, okay, you guys are going to be the hillbillies. I'm like, all right, that's whatever. And then we're getting ready to debut. We're in the ring saying, we're going to do this, this and this. And it's like 20 minutes, four doors. They go, Vince McMahon wants you guys in his office. Are we getting fired already? So we go in the office. And Vince is literally,

like, hey, big man, can you do this? And I'm literally trying to make this face back at him. Not like that, like this. And we do the festus face to each other for 10 fucking minutes. And finally, he explains to me that he wants me to portray this catatonic character. And the bell triggers him and he goes wild and kicks everyone's ass. And then he hears the bell again and he's back to being catatonic, so to speak. So, you know, it's when you grow up thinking you're going to be like a long-haired wrestler

with a beautiful robe and this cool guy and you become fessons, it's not exactly ideal. But to be that young and to be on television, you know, that was a character. Like I was talking to Hawkins about it. Like it was a little mid-card act. Everybody, it was so simplistic that everybody knew what it was. The kids knew when the bell rang, he goes nuts. When the bell rang, he goes nuts, whatever. And it always got a good reaction.

It just, there was never going to be longevity to it. But, I mean, Bobby, my first house. So, you know, it was what it was. It could have been longevity to it. It's all up to how long they want to make it long, longevity. Well, there was no coming out of Festus and becoming something else and a long storyline.

We needed Vestis versus Eugene. That's what we needed. Dude, Eugene was great too. You know, it's funny. You can't find Festus for Eugene in the history books anymore because they're just not, not Apple. That's so funny, that character, not only wouldn't work in 2020,

It's not even acknowledged in 2020. It's gone. Acknowledged. Yeah. So, wow. So with your current setup with impact, you're still able to do stuff for New Japan? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's actually written into our contract that, you know, and Impact's even going to work around. Like, because, you know, everything for them basically is TV tapings, right? So we're going to be able to work around dates. And New Japan has told us what dates that they want us to come and this and that. And so it's all. that's all exciting too. Once that,

you know, they're starting to open up doing live shows again, right? Yeah, yeah. You know, the borders are open again.

Because I think if we went now, we'd have to go two weeks before a show and like, be quarantined and I don't want to be just chilling at the hotel for it. But that might be worth it to wrestle in front of a crowd, though. Don't get me wrong. It'd be fun to be in Japan for two weeks, to be honest.

But like, I've got a k-fabe that from the wife. They should be fucking hot. Just sitting in a room for two weeks. Do we know how close they are to have, to having shows with fans again? They're having shows with fans right now in Osaka. They had the different cities have different, um, different parameters.

So like Osaka is like having like 25% people were in there and they all have to wear their masks. But they had a, I think when Evil became champion recently over Naito, there was a crowd. And so it's, it's going to get that they're better than them than the Americans in, in handling this thing. So it's going to be better than Americans, a lot of things. but they're going to handle this. They handle this thing properly, and they're not going to let people just come flying into the country without some kind of measurements.

Do you think about what your debut would have looked like if this was a world where there were fans at shows right now? Absolutely, man. That was, I felt that was the only regret we had about the whole slam reversory deal and like that whole show because like that Motor City machine guns, that was smartly booked right out of the gate. you're going to bring those guys out there and have this big surprise. Like they would have got a hell of a reaction.

I think we would have got a hell of a reaction. A lot of stuff on that show. But nobody got to hear that. So I, you know. I guess it's kind of a, because if there was no pandemic, I don't feel like we would have gotten canned because I had first class flights all over the whole world, going to South Africa,

going to Australia, going to Japan all throughout this whole summer and even into the fall. But that's why if you see me talking to Gallows when we debuted, what I'm saying to you, the music is playing, you can't hear what we're talking to each other. I go, man, imagine there's a crowd here right now with the pop we would have gotten. Yeah. That's what I said. Yeah.

Because we've proved to ourselves that we're a legitimate draw, so that's all we needed. Of course. By the way, those first class seats, especially on the overseas flights where you get to lay flat. Oh, yeah. That was a absolute essential in the next deal in the deal that we signed. So then we got it. you got it and at some point you'll be flying to japan uh hopefully in your first class pod in the in the first class we're rocking brother that he's our friends and we haven't discussed

that yet but he knows that's coming yep he knows we're going to pick on him about it yeah oh yeah are you guys surprised by the how much the podcast has taken off talking shop is not only one of the top wrestling pods in the world one of the top podcasts in the world as of right now we it's like we know that we just because like we know we just sit on here and talk with you right and like we just we enjoy just bullshitting and talking and like having beers and just relaxing that's what we like to do in the hotel room after a show anyway and that's what that's what talking shop was was built on was you know me gallows rocky the young bucks we would all sit in the room and we'd get beers and the young bucks would just watch us get drunk and then we would just talk and we would tell everybody how and we tell each other how great we are all the time and so it's like we got to make this a podcast like like like I'm the best wrestler in the world. Young bucks, you guys are the best tag team in the world. Oh, hell yeah,

we are. We know we are. Gallows is the best big man. He's the funniest look at him. And Rocky's a great little cruise away, man. Look how good he is. We're just sitting.

We just put each other over the whole fucking time. And it was like, we got to turn us into a podcast. And it turns into it's why it's called talking shop. Yeah. It's what we're doing. Hey, you guys want to get beers and go to the room and talk shop.

Fuck yeah. I want to go to the room and talk shop. Of course, it's just, yeah. It's basically like hanging out with us because we have no format ever. So that's why we had to bring in Ryan Satin to actually kind of do like our shoot interview, if you will, because if it was just us, we never would have covered any of that. We would have just been talking shit and making jokes back and forth and getting drunk.

So we had to have some semblance of our. And tell each other and tell each other how cool we are. Man, you look cool out there, man. Well, at one flight from England to New York, we had me and Gallo sat right next to each other. And we were just, we were just sipping drinks the whole entire flight. I mean, the whole nine hours. And the whole time we're just going, man,

look how cool you look what your beard. And I go, man, look the people looking at us, man. We look so cool. The whole nine hours. You got four sons.

What a badass motherfucker you are. No, man, I'm cool shit. Then we got to New York and we're like, oh, uh-oh. What's the go-to drink when you get on a plane?

Well, it depends, I guess. I think you can always go with a nice little bit of the blood. Go with some nice red wine, sip on that, nice even keel. Maybe a cold beer every now and then. I hope we're drinking because I have to be caught in that coffee mug there. Yeah, I got a little Jim Rome coffee mug too. There we are right. There we go.

Sipping our coffee to keep myself awake, baby, because I didn't sleep well. I was laying in bed last night. My six-year-old gets on my right side. My eight-year-old gets on my left side. And I'm just trying to hook it. I'm trying to hook up with Mommy the whole time. And then nothing, nothing. These kids keep messing up my whole entire night.

Little shits. Maybe tonight. Maybe tonight. I don't think she's dying for it. I think at home, though, it's a high boot cocktail. What a high boot cocktail is a lot of vodka, diet anything, squeeze a citrus. That's the way to do it. We call that the high boot cocktail on the road that is deemed after the big LG because,

you know, it's just what we like to do. low sugar, low carbs, lots of alcohol. Yeah. I got to try this. Friday night here while we're recording. Yeah, high boo cocktail it up, good brother. Yeah. I'm sure that here in Los Angeles,

that'll cost about $27. Oh, you can make it home. Just get some Tos and just remember, a lot of vodka, diet anything, little squeeze of citrus. What part of L.A. are you in? I'm in Studio City. Oh, nice.

Yep, close. I think Rocky's in, oh, man, where's he at? Gingel the P. a Pasadena. Yep. There you go. And Ryan Staten's actually like one city away here. I guess you have a little brother party.

You should have. Yeah. Just sit six feet away and wear a mask, right? That's it. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to take a quick time out to thank our sponsors who make episodes like this possible. Have you heard of deal dash.com?

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September because we knew when we left, we wanted to have our own shit. So I own the big LG, I own Doc Callows, we own Talking Shop. We own Good Brothers. He owns machine gun, Carl Anderson. There's a laundry list of them and a lot of lawyer bills, but it was worth it. A lot of lawyer bills. My wife was talking about it today. A lot of second. You know, I think it's cool that like if you look back on when we debuted, I think we were the first couple of guys along with AJ that were able to, you know, keep our names. Like a lot of, I remember Seth Rollins bring it up to me.

You guys got to kick, you know, he might not remember this, but you guys got to keep your names. Now what the fuck, you know, because we, you know, we have this. I mean, Carl Anderson, I built this thing for eight years in Japan and a couple of six years before that in Los Angeles and on the independent scene. And so now we have this. I mean, it's so helpful to not have to leave WWE and then change my name to Chad or something. So people know who Carl Anderson is and I can throw the machine gun on top of that and give myself. It's just, I'm just happy that we have that.

Absolutely. Luke, you didn't want to go by Luke Gallows? Luke was a name that they had given to me or I forget how, but somehow whenever I was doing the deal with punk, the Luke thing came up. And then whenever I was out of WWF after that, it was always Doc. and I always called myself the big LG, so I just went ahead and bought both of them, and now they're mine, so no one can fucking take it. You know, you guys talk about your debut,

and it was, there was, you know, you guys made a mark when you debuted in WWE, and then stuff fell off, like, relatively quickly. Yeah. From your perspective, what was it that caused things to fall off? We just were never booked consistently, man. We would get that, like, those WW terms like the shot in the arm or the fresh coat of paint.

Well, when we were sitting here going, guys, we wouldn't keep needing these fresh coats of paint and shots in the arm if we could just have some consistent fucking booking. Like you win the titles and then the next week you lose in two minutes in a singles match or you're, you win a trophy and then the next week you're off TV. And the week after that,

you lose to so and so. And it's just not that we cared about always winning, but we would have liked to have had some, if we would have had some momentum with the booking, we could have kept the momentum with the little things that we were able to, you know, kind of get over on our own, like the nerds thing, the hot Asian wife thing. These are all things that we just said and inserted. Nobody wrote them for us because we were like, we don't, they're not giving us anything. We have to do something so that people have a reason to react because we're not the cool, badass G&A bullet club guys anymore. We're kind of a watered down WWE version that they're not all the way committed to.

So it was, I don't know. I guess that's from my perspective. Just, I mean, bad booking. That's it. I mean, we got a couple. We got things over that probably weren't supposed to be over. There was some, like, there was some, you know, I remember like Ed Koski was headwriting,

head right. And like, no. What do I got to say, really? I don't want to bury him, but what the fuck does anybody? No, does he know? You know, nothing. Anyway. Remember the time in catering when we go ahead?

Do you have a minute? And he goes, no, not really. We went. At the end of the day, it was a fucking, that cost to you. Really? Do you think that Vince was not familiar with your work in New Japan? 100% not. Yeah.

Probably not, yeah, for sure. I mean, it's just, you got to have people in there. You got to have people in the meetings. you know, that have your back. And you got people in the meetings pushing for you. And I just, I just think that we just didn't have enough of that. Um, you know, but we kept sneaking, we kept sneaking in certain places and we kept, you know, we kept getting, getting sprinkled in throughout the four years. So it ended up, it ended up being okay. Um, we, uh, we actually, we heard that from a friend of ours in the meeting who wasn't a creative guy. He goes,

it's not that anyone's in there burying you guys, but, uh, no one's going to bat for you. You don't have any Gallos and Anderson guys. And a lot of the people who are getting consistent stuff and consistent, you know, decent to good booking. They have somebody raising their hand and going, well, how about so and so? And we just, we never had that, I don't think. Yeah, or like, you know, somebody might, my pitches for a way that then you mind that my, he's not. Let's not use them there.

Like, for example. And then, you know, next thing you know, you just get thrown off. It's just, it's just such a long creative process and so much stuff that goes into this thing. And we just weren't there guys. And it is what it is. It's fine. Yeah. Was there like a particular match or pay-per-view where you're like, if only they had booked us this way?

If only we had gone over on this tag team, things would have been way different for us. There's a couple of different things, but I remember once, like they said that we needed a shot in the arm, right? And it was the Dudley Boys' last show. And that was the time, I want to say this. That was the time someone did say that for us. I remember Fit. Fit was the one who got that for us because he knew us and thought we were good. And he said, these guys need something.

Now, go ahead. I went ahead and cut it out. Yeah, but it was like their, not their retirement, but it was like their last show in the WWE. They were saying goodbye maybe. And then we, you know, we came in from behind and we beat the shit out of them. Like, we gave Bubba the,

the magic killer on the floor and we put DeVon to a table and we stood tall over the Dudley boys. And then, you know, we get a promo next week and we're not even, and we sadly have to clear things a lot of times. And they didn't even want us to say. We were allowed to say that we did that.

We finished off. Yeah, we killed. we killed the Dudley's. We retired the Dudley's. least. Or didn't they didn't even want to say that. Yeah. So weird.

And another one was the old day thing. Like we got, we heard through the grapevine. Like we got heat for how bad that segment was. Well, of course it was a bad segment. You took four, three or four extras who've never been on national television. They're nervous and shit to walk out on Monday Night Raw.

And you give them three pages of lines. They're not actors. They're barely wrestlers. No offense. We got back to, and we got back to Guerrilla and like Triple H even said that. And he goes, we need better writers.

I'm thinking, no shit. But it's just like, everyone knows that. But that was just a couple different segments. But like, you can't complain about those little things. It's just you got to be with one of their guys. And I just, yeah, I guess we ultimately, we just weren't their guys. And I don't mean because you got over and came in. It's just, it's not, you got to be, you don't have to be chosen or anything like that.

It's just we just weren't who they wanted to be on top, you know, or be involved all the time. Well, now you have the opportunity to be whatever you want in impact wrestling. like they're giving you as much creative control that you want. Yeah, and that's going to be a lot of fun. It's a nice feeling. It's nice that when they give you a promo that they didn't stick lines in our faces, they let us just be us. And that's what we've wanted the whole time.

So it's good. Scott Moore knows us too. Like, you know, he watched, he was in Tokyo when I had some big main event matches. And like, you know,

he has, he's watched me and Gallos have big tag matches in front of, you know, a lot of people at the Tokyo Dome. Like, yeah. So it's, he knows what we got.

He knows what we can do. And he knows what the, what the, and do it. He was now that we're a proven legitimate draw with the way anniversary was all over the place. So we're already looking towards the, the next contract for the raise already. So we've already asked in. Yeah, we want to stay within hours. We want impact to be, to go into the future for as long as possible. We want to work for the next 25 years with impact.

So there you go. Wow, 25 more years with impact. 25 more year. I asked AAA for a, I asked Carrano and Triple H for lifetime contracts. 75 grand a year lifetime. Gallus goes, she's making you up it a little bit.

I said, I don't give a shit, man. I'm going to live till I'm 90. That's a multi-million dollar contract, just keep some money coming. That was one of his least funny jokes that he ever said, but he would say that to their faces all the time. And I'm going,

I don't, I don't see what AAA said. Yeah, so we need to talk. I didn't see what happened. What do you think is different about impact this time around? There just seems to be more of a buzz from an outsider's point of view. But what's different for you guys?

You know, you're there. Well, the buzz is us, of course. Of course. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the buzz is real. The buzz happened. And now it's all about carrying on the momentum. The creative freedom is great.

I think they have a roster that a lot of people have slept on. There's some great talent in there. And I think that it's going to elevate them. I saw a lot of people step up. because anytime new people come in the existing guard goes hey what the fuck let's step it up and uh that does nothing but create healthy competition which i think is just going to continue to make the show better and better and i mean we're already looking forward to bound for glory in october because we want to come out and have our first big classic onbound for glory we want all those eyes again onbound for glory and

we want to tear the shit the fuck up and we're going to it's going to be great with the motor I think the management. Hey, that'd be. Please. Scott. Yeah. The management, man. Who's in charge?

There's business-oriented guys. Like, you know, Ed Norhelm is a great business guy. He knows what he's doing. Scott DeMorne was a wrestling business inside and out. Don Cal is head of the creative teams. Like, these guys are, these guys are business for a long time. Talent inside the locker room. I didn't even know a lot of them.

Because when you're in that WWB bubble, you don't watch anything. outside of it unless you just you know especially when you have a family you don't give a shit at all to watch anything right and so i was just getting familiar with some of these guys and man there's some good stuff there and like just give it a chance like it's it's it was surprising to me you know don't see and now you got oh hey like what did i say what was scottomore said uh you know after watching the north and the motor city machine guns like uh oh you guys would you guys down the totem pole now because they just had a five star match and i said you didn't bring us in for five star matches You came in a year just for people to look at us, brother.

Yeah, we're just the draw, brother. And maybe like three and a half star matches, that's the plan? Maybe two. It don't need to be too long. Keep it under eight minutes, pal. I want to ask you guys about the Boneyard match. And then we'll talk about the Bona Yard match after that. Oh, that's going to be a classic instance.

Most importantly, yeah. How long did the Boneyard match take to film? We started right when it got dark and we were done at about 5.30 in the morning. So it took the entire night. Yeah. And was it like it was stripped it out like move for move word for word? No, not move from move, I don't think. But there were spots in it and stuff like that.

Undertaker cut the hell out of his arm very early on and just like would wrap it up in between takes and keep going. But there was a lot of, it took all night. But I, you know, that being said, I get that because the masterpiece that we put together, we had two 14 hour days in shooting that as well. So it just, especially when you're going cinematic like that and you're cutting for certain things. And, you know, we probably had to cut because shit wasn't going right on our pay-per-view. But they had to cut for lighting and sound and every other thing that they do when they produce these WWE productions and stuff.

But it took all night. I mean, really, take or sliced his arm on this on that limo when he, whenever he punched it or that, the hearse. Yeah. But like he could see like it was nasty, bro. And he didn't even, he didn't sell it, man, and give it to him. And they kept clean it.

They would clean it up between each take and then just fix it. And that was it going. Keep going. He probably had that surgery or son. I think it was. Yeah. It was like, there was like shit sticking out of his arm. I don't, not a doctor.

But it wasn't a normal. If that happened to me, bone yard over. give me to the ER brother his tattoos are going to look pretty gnarly after that I think so yeah definitely gonna have to I don't know taker was great too you know putting that thing that was the first I got a chance well we've worked with them a couple of times with like leading up to that match but I mean he was he was amazing putting that thing together with and him and AJ obviously is probably the best ever and so walking him and AJ just talk these things out and just and just

watching take her work and I think he even, you know, if maybe he likes this or not, but no matter what, I know he had to respect that after that a little bit because he knows we're not too dumbasses. Like we were there for him and took care of him. And I know a couple of the minions or druids were there knocked him, knocked him over

because there was a couple of those guys that run under the druid hoods couldn't work what the fuck. And he was pissed. So I was like, I think he was happy to get Gallows and Anderson touching him, whack, you know. I think some of those druids need to go back to summer school. That's what it was, yeah. Hey, he said, it's a rap on the druid.

Somebody said, the rap on the druids. He was, they need to go back to summer school. If it wasn't for the Boneyard match, do you think you'd have been, do you think talking Chopamania would look as good as I'm assuming that it looks? I will say this. If there was no Boneyard match, there would be no Bona yard match. If there's no boner yard match, there's absolutely no talking shoppamania because the rest of that stuff stopped. Yeah, pretty bad.

Um, listen, when you guys turn, when you tune in August 1st, 2020, 9 p.m. Eastern, remember, you're not watching this for a work rate professional wrestling pay-per-view. You're watching a parody. You're watching something that when the world is in a very dark place in a lot of ways, we're in the middle of a pandemic, there's social unrest everywhere. We love to entertain. We wanted to do something to make you guys happy, to make you smile, to make you laugh. It's all done with a wink.

It's not meant to piss anybody off, even though it will. So just enjoy that. Drink a couple beers, get your friends together. Whatever it is that you do, sit back, relax. You can watch it on American, Canadian pay-per-view. If you watch it on eye-paper-view worldwide, it's available via the fight app. It's only $14.99. So you can't be that pissed off if you do hate it.

You've wasted $14.99 on something at some time or another. So just know that it was all done in Jess. We have a lot of what we think are hilarious cameo appearances that we put in there. And the boner yard match is epic. I don't know for what reason, but I know that it's epic. It's like watching hot shots, right? Hot shots part. One of our favorite movies, hot shots, yes.

That's a good way to go into this. Just understand that we're fucking just having fun. And I also understand that we had just gotten fired. So our brains are a little bit fried, starting to figure out what. the fuck are we going to do what's the fun it's you know you say me fired I mean just fired embarrassed my neighbors read it all over the news bleach a report I mean you're fucking embarrassing me fuck you'll get over it'll be fine yeah you're doing lots outside and people are going how's he going to pay for his children to go to scope oh how's he going to pay for that big

fucking house. He can't anymore. That's what they're saying. I know that's what they're saying. That's what I go to have a neighbor. Because I can't see my neighbors. They can say whatever the fuck they want. I'm just up here doing this. You know, they're telling him our kids. You know, he doesn't have a job. Yeah. He's, we can't go over there and bring the, we need to bring them food because they can't eat. Look at the jobless asshole. Let's take him a cake. There's the jobless asshole doing his lunges. He's looking at his own grass now. Why is he lunging anyway? He should be out looking for work. Hope he enjoys that basketball court before they, or that, yeah, that's a little basketball

go over, but they come take it away from him. Hope he enjoys that truck he's driving around before they repo. What is it going to call? Yeah. Every time I wave to somebody in the neighborhood, they're like, oh, poor guy. You know well. But like you said, everything happens for a reason. If it wasn't for the pandemic, we wouldn't have talking shopomania.

We wouldn't have a boner yard match. Well, we have one interview. We wouldn't have this. interview that would definitely not happen because certainly not as candidly and certainly not as long either that's true yeah but we didn't have happened because we just don't do we didn't do anything when we were there it's like especially not on our own ever no I mean except for the gym room they didn't want us to do the gym room show because it's actually a good show and actually get them out a little bit they wanted to keep us off yeah we did it anyway though we were always running a little bit on edge anyway with how we

acted there you guys weren't sent off to do the press days the media days like so many people are like three in the morning four in the morning of course we had to do those of course because they knew that we would do them and not bitch about it and I didn't do it and then it's in the image our thinking are we going to get a little run for we're going to get a little something for this because we're doing these stupid Monday morning six a m calls you know excellent stone cold wow is They're like, so obviously the locker room is different. The vibe is different in Impact Wrestling, New Japan, obviously Indies. At what point in WWE did you go, hmm, this is, this is different?

Day one, because the gallows had told me about it. And just once I saw how big this thing is, man, and this creative process. And like, these writers telling us day one what they wanted to do or something. And then I'd see none of that ever happened. or and then I realize that it's not because he didn't want it to, but because this writer has to say it to this writer, then this writer has to say it to the head writer, then that editor has to say it to Ed Koski.

Then Ed Koski has to say it to the whole team. Then that whole team has to say it to Vince, and the right person has to say it to events for the past events. Fuck, it's confusing as it sounded is how that is. Yeah. I knew. Nothing else. The New Japan is just like you want, you, what you do.

Do it. W.E. is a different ball game, man. You have to go through a lot of different avenues. Well, Impact Wrestling feel, impact, I've been backstage at Impact Wrestling a few times, and it feels like Scott DeMore is, you know, completely accessible.

He's right there. Yep. Yeah. 100%. Yeah, and that's going to be the good thing because like when we want, when we need something or want something, like we just go to him and we just,

you know, we bring it up. And then he's either he'll say it's good or it's bad. And that's all we care about is to hear our ideas out, you know. Are there any tag teams that you guys haven't worked with that you still want to work with? The North and the Motor City machine for sure.

They're literally right there. You know, and we'd like to, we had a, we had a match with, uh, FDR in Japan when we were with the WWE. And it was a chance for both of us actually work that we liked to work.

And we had a fucking banger. And it was awesome. And so I'd like to work them again outside of that. Outside of WWA. Absolutely. Yeah. And, and,

and preferably in Japan. that would be you think most of the matches that we'll be seeing from you guys in impact will be you guys together no i think no i think we're not we're both yeah we're both looking to do always be together but do some single stuff too i think that uh there's some layers that people haven't seen of carl for sure uh from japan there's definitely some layers to me they haven't seen probably at all uh so we're both really looking forward to that to doing doing the tag stuff but also doing our single stuff but also doing our single stuff stuff as well and probably form a big ass faction at one point too.

For sure, we're faction guys. We have to have guys around. We have to have guys around. It's fun. Take some bumps for us, laugh at our jokes, get our beers, whatever. Yeah. Fuck. It sounds like the perfect thing. Now, whose idea was Countdown to Fucktown?

I started just putting it on social media and then Chad and Rock are like, let's make it a thing. Let's do a real countdown. And we're like, oh, shit. what do we have here and then we decided we'll do our boozing with the boys which you can always join on patreon.com backslash talk shop as a lead in

and then at midnight when the official moment hits that the no compete clauses up the severance is done then we roll right into that that podcast that started at midnight with Ryan Satin where we kind of told our whole story but it worked

the buzz really worked out great the slam anniversary announcement was awesome and then the momentum carried into the pay-per-view the next day and into the tapings and the TV that aired on Tuesday, I think. So it was pretty cool. We were like, you know, fuck, we were like, I'm glad that like we signed with impact because if we just, our first thing was like, what are we going to announce? We didn't know. And then we're, well, let's announce that shopping shopper mania.

It's like, that's going to announce to shopping shopper man. And people would be like, oh, come on, man. It's going to be awesome. But I think they're, I'm happy that impact came in and we were able to do that because I think they actually moved the dates around too to make the work right on that exact day. Yep. Yeah, that's interesting. That was a fun day, man. We watched our Patreon numbers, just fly up for like, you know, this, for this countdown. Let's just drink for these two hours and midnight hits guys. Like, let's go to our YouTube and you can watch that. But let's just,

and then our Patreon numbers flew up. Then our YouTube subscribers went up for us. We had none. We had like, we didn't think about starting the YouTube before that, which was probably a bad idea. whatever whatever right we didn't we didn't know we were hoping for like maybe 2,000 subscribers on youtube for that interview we ended up getting like almost eight or nine for the interview so well whoever's watching right now and subscribe to you guys on youtube i'll drop the link down below so they can do that yeah perfect i'm not we're not sure yeah rocket everything ronkey's our guy so if this was the countdown to fucktown does that mean we are now residing in foktown we are in But this now is count down to Foughtown 2 because it's the first.

So we just went ahead and threw it in there. This week we're going nuts. And this is Countdown to Fucktown 2. So we're going to do boozing with the boys on Talking Shop, or Patreon backslash talking shop at 8 p.m. From 8 p.m. at 8.50, we're just going to get all ourselves. We've inebriated as we possibly can safely. So that when we watch Talking Shopomania, we have to have a head change because you can't go into that sober.

Unless you're a sober, brother. So brother that he gets it. But get your head where you want it to be so that you can enjoy this with us all. If you want to do countdown to Fucktown 2 with me live and you're in the southeast, come to the Southern Brewing Company in Athens, Georgia, where I will be hosting the countdown. And then we're going to do a live watchalong of talking shopomania. And what that means is you can either laugh with me or when it's over and you hate it,

you can laugh at me. But either way, you'll be able to be. able to do it right to my face. So join us, Athens, Georgia, Southern Brewing Co, starting Saturday night, August the 1st at 8 p.m. If you're watching from home live on pay-per-view or I-paper-view via the fight app, the show starts at 9 p.m. Eastern. And if you're fans with us, if you're fans of us at all, just buy it and then watch a boxing fight or something. I'll give it. You can't watch it, just buy it, and then go watch ESPN if you don't feel watching it. If you're going to watch it with Gallo's live, it before you go to watch it with Gallo's live.

Please. Yes. Give us the buys, maybe. We need the buys. You know how crazy this is? Like if you guys were breaking into the wrestling business, you know, when you started your careers and you said one day you guys are going to have your own pay-per-view. One day you guys are going to be drinking beers and people are going to be listening

to this or drinking drinks and people are going to be listening to this. One day people are going to be paying on this thing called Patreon. It's just crazy to think about. I can't believe that Gallows didn't invent. Patreon back in Japan. We would be fucking sitting nice, wouldn't we? We never would have had to go to New York. I should have thought of Patreon so much.

Oh, man. Yeah, I'm pissed about that, actually. I just can't believe it wasn't. If we'd have had it back then, dude, we would have, man, we would have been just loving it in the Bullet Club. Absolutely. You know. Well, I want to be respectful of your time because I know you guys have a very important

business call here coming up. So thank you for making this happen. I really appreciate it. I appreciate you, man. Yeah, definitely. My son, I really love that I did this interview. He watches all your YouTube stuff. Oh, that's amazing. You're one of the, you're one of the, you're one of the, you're one of the few we like. Interviews interviews are a lot for me. Oh, well, thank you. Thank you. Look, it should just be hanging out. Not unlike your podcast. Just should just be a conversation. Let's say, hey, let's do it. Can we, can you come on talking shop sometime? You can crack open. Let's do that. Canadian beer. Molson ice. Oh, Moulson ice.

Wow. Oh, baby. I love a good Moulson ice. That is a dangerous beer. But yes. It's funny, they were one of the cheapest beers at the beer store, because in Ontario, you can only buy beer at the beer store. Beer store, yeah.

And Moulson ice were cheaper but had more alcohol in. So when my friends and I really wanted to get messed up, we'd buy Mulsin ice, and then we'd say, we're getting ice tonight. Then you get ice. So, yes, sign me up. come on talking shop and get hammered. Let's do it, please. Perfect. I love it. Love it.

You let me know whenever. I will. I promise. Thanks for having us, good brother. Thank you. Talking Chopinia, August 1st. Yeah, thanks for, thanks for everybody for buying Slammversary and making us look at the drawl that we know we are. A couple of good brothers right there. What a chat.

And, you know, if you were to make a list of the wrestlers that you'd want to have a beer with, I feel like Gallows and Anderson would be right at the top. top of that list. How cool are they? Take a screenshot. Tag us. I am at Chris Van Vleet. Gallows is at the underscore big LG and Anderson is at Machine Gun K-A. So I guess we're going to be seeing them in Impact Wrestling for the next 25 years. I mean, that's what Anderson said, right? Which is funny because Impact isn't even 25 years old. But, you know, it's just so great to see how happy they are, how excited they are for the freedom that they have. And it's just awesome. Awesome. Also knowing that Gallo's son watches my interviews. So shout out to Gallo's son for being excited for

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