Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Hornswoggle Is Hilarious! Little People's Court, DX, Vince's Son, WWE Legends Deal, The Rock

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

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Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Van Fleet. How are you, my friends? Welcome back to another one here on Insight. I'm CBV, Chris Van Fleet. Thank you for tuning into this episode. And as always, thank you for helping to make Insight the number one wrestling podcast on the planet. Hit a tombstone on that follow button wherever you're listening.

And if you really want to support the show, please leave a rating on Spotify or. a review on Apple if you haven't done so already. And if you live in or around L.A. or if you're coming into town for Money in the Bank, I hope to see you at the next Insight Live. It's happening in Hollywood on June 6th, the day before Money in the Bank. Grab your tickets, including VIP tickets with a special meet and greet after the show. Get them at CVVVTX.com. That's CVVTIX.com. I absolutely love having Dylan Postle, who of course you'll know better as Hornswoggle on the show. He's the best.

I'm honored to call Dylan a friend, and he's one of the funniest people that I've ever met. And every time we record one of these interviews, it's so inspiring to hear just the idea that hard work pays off. I mean, look at his entire career. He was told his whole career that he wouldn't make it. And he had all the odds stacked against him. and look at him now. Huge congrats to him because he just signed a WWE legends deal, which means will you may be seeing more of him,

whether that's on TV or it's new figures, new merch, whatever it happens to be. But I couldn't be happier for Dylan and all of the success that he's had in his career. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did. Snap a screenshot and tag us. He's at Dylan Postle across all social media. I'm at Chris Van Fleet, also across

all social media. And here we go. Please welcome Dylan Postel, aka Hornswoggle. Shut. We're shooting a shop. Yeah, we're going right now. What are you eating?

Are you going to be chewing the whole interview? Yep. Wonderful. Huff. Coconut. Wonderful for the people who are just listening and not watching.

This thing sucks. Man, so good to see you again. So good to see you. Yeah. Trying to be healthy as you're eating. that and chugging down an energy drink. What a healthy guy. I have to eat something today. Picture of health. I'm so happy. Fuck you. Picture of hell. Fuck off. I'm fucking. You are. How much weight have you have you lost?

It's 38, I think. Thirty-eight pounds? Sure. Jeez. I already spilled chocolate on me. Today's a mess. I love my life. I think third, yeah, I was at my heaviest was one eighty-one. Last I weighed myself. I was like one-38. Wow. Wait, weren't you 138 when you did the weigh-in in WWE? Weren't you exactly 138? No way. I think so.

How do you know that? I saw a clip recently. Funny thing with that. I was always 119 pounds in my whole life. I was like, oh, I'm 119. So I always put that on everything. Yeah. And then during that, I would get on the scale and it was not 119 pounds.

And they had to realize that they had to switch everything, like the graphics and all of that. And because I was a little heavier. I was getting heavier and getting heavier and getting heavier. If I was 138 pounds, that's going to make me happy. Yeah. I haven't been this. This is the lightest I've been, fuck, since I was 19. Wow.

Yeah, you look great. I feel okay. Actually, I feel better. I feel way better. Like, overall, I just feel, I feel healthier. I can't feel these still, but from here up is great. You can't feel your legs? Still no.

At all? This foot is really bad today. This one's okay today. But like my thighs, hold on, Demolition Smash is texting me. He just checked in. It's not just random. He's texting because of the show tonight. But you don't think me and Demolition Smash are texting friends?

You probably are. We are not. No, I had that back surgery. The first one lately, like three years ago now, and that knocked out a feeling. And we tried to do it again. Nothing. So my, like, from my thighs,

feel almost like you're constantly doing one of these, whatever that is at the gym. Like extensions? Sure. Isn't that this? What is that? Like press. Yeah, that's it.

Big gym guy. Clearly. So, they feel like it's constantly like that. And they go to, they fall asleep. They get tired really easy. Like walking,

I would say two minutes. Oh my gosh. Could you work a full match right now? Chris, I haven't worked a real match. ever. I don't work matches. That's not true.

I work okay. We've all seen we LC. Yeah, but that's the fucking, I'm never touching that again. And I had 19 other guys helping me with that as well. There's never been, like, that's obviously the most proud of ever been in that match. But, no, now I can, and I'm very happy with what I can do. But now I didn't want to be the guy biting ass and doing ha-ha bullshit. And now I'm the guy doing ha-ha-bullshit.

but it's okay because it pays the same. In all reality, I don't need to do 19 flips. And that, I want to. I would love to... Like, when I got fired, my thing was, I was like, I'm going to be the indie guy. And I clearly found out quickly

I can't be the indie guy. My stature and my weight at that time just wasn't meant to be. I'm okay with that. So now I'm back to biting asses and getting a reaction. Will you go out there and play the greatest hits? I love it.

Yeah. I did my first. splash in December in five years. Wow. How'd it feel? It hurt really bad. And I hurt one of my students for our show, our anniversary show. I go, I don't know how it landed this anymore, but I'm just going to do it. And I did it on the crash pad at our camp, did it great. During the show, I was like, fuck, here we go. I did it. I did not know how to land. Like, I threw my back out landing the splash, and I go, I'm sorry, I squished you. That had to hurt. So I'll send you a clip. Now.

It just, I feel better. I feel better. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't wake up in so much pain, as much pain. And I don't wake up like lethargic. I think that's the thing. Like, I love going to the gym. I really enjoy the gym.

But I also know my limits. That's what I have to keep mindful of. Congrats on the Legends deal. Me and my son were talking about that. He goes, what are you guys going to talk about. You just had you. I said, yeah, I don't know. And I was like, maybe the Legends deal? There's so many things we haven't

talked about. There is. You'll find out throughout this. I didn't even put my hearing aid in. Conversation. I didn't want the reverb. And I forgot it. But it's the Legends deal, man. It's a Nostalgia. It's a W.W.B. Nostalgia deal. They don't call me a legend anymore. You're a nostalgic. I'm a nostalgic.

I'm a nostalgic sports entertainer. Love that. I love that when they give me the deal. It's changed from legend to nostalgia. How did it come about? Legitimately, I was on Landon and I were on our way to see Blink 1282, and I get the call. And I literally had to pull over, and I just, I froze. You know me.

You know how I view me. Through these interviews now, a lot of people know how I view me. I don't view myself as very great in wrestling. So to have that recognition is the ultimate, like, this is pretty fucking awesome. It just makes me feel like I mattered in WWB with this now, that it wasn't a... Got rid of me, released me, which is okay.

No one deserves a job. That's my thing. It's like, whenever people get released, the internet goes crazy about how could they do this. No one in any, any workforce deserves a job. I'm going to move this closer. No one deserves it. You're lucky to have that, especially that kind of job. And so now to be back under a Legends deal, it's incredible.

It's just like the coolest thing ever. And that was just a random phone call out of the blue? Wow. I had no idea. I literally, I was on the way to the concert. It's nuts. It's great. It's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it called my dad. And, uh, first person I called when I got hired was my dad. First person I called with this was my dad. And it was, uh, he had the reaction like when I got hired. And he then goes, I said to him, I said, you told me never burn a bridge. When you got really, when I get released, never burn that bridge. And I never wanted to. And it's like, fuck, this is the coolest feeling ever. Yeah.

Real life. So you could pop back up at any moment in time. I did the signing at the world during Mania Week. And that was your first time wearing the leprechaun gear in a while, right? All these promoters want me to wear it. Yeah. I've never worn it. I don't want to be nothing against him.

I don't want to be dink. I don't want to be these guys, you know, at the conventions showing up in their stuff that doesn't look right anymore. It looks disheveled. I don't want to be that. I don't want to do that. But for that, I had to. Sure. Almost cut the hair.

I was like, nope. Almost died the hair? Almost shaved the beard? Fuck, no. The beard is never going. The beard is never going. When this goes, the hair will be gone by the end of summer. What?

Oh, it's so thin. I wish my waist was as thin as my hair. If you wear a hat, though, we'd never know. Correct. Perfect. No, because when I get out of the shower, I have to see this and lack of this. You could wear a band-dand. I got my hairband. I never leave the house without either of my hat or my hairband. Ever. I have so many hairbands or t-shirts leaves. Whenever I cut a t-shirt. Oh, that's what that is? No, this is a professional one. This is my white professional.

That looks like a thong. Fuck off. Just for that. I have my coconut fire. Every time he doesn't like something I'm going to say. This is your guy's fault. Who into the microphone. I did the signing at the world, and I didn't think that would ever happen again. And so I needed to wear the suit. And putting the suit out on was emotional. Because I felt home. Literally, I felt home for those three hours being treated incredibly by WWB, by fanatics. It felt good.

Almost the last time you wore the suit. Was it the rumble in 2019? No. Yes. and it didn't fit because I was so fat. I had to get the vest expanded because I was too big. That's the night I couldn't get to the top rope because I was too big. But yeah, I would have been the last time I wore the jacket.

I didn't even wear my small pants. I wore my gimmick wrestling pants. So when was the last time you wore the full-on suit? 2008. Wow. Oh my gosh. Probably. When did I join DX?

Yeah. When I joined DX, I didn't ever go back to this, the lap console. Man. Oh, it's great. So what are, what doors are now open under this contract? That's releasing next month. Is Brian Myers just pumped about that? Zach won't be because I'm going to charge him full price to sign it.

He's going to think he's going to get a fucking deal. That's not happening. Let's be honest here. The money he's made off me under figures. He ain't getting one for free. Come on now, kid. Hawkins, just 20. Rider, just 40. Anything. They can do any merchandise they want, which is great. Tops, video game.

Oh, that's so cool. It is. And you know what? The coolest part is with that is like, like I say, I just feel appreciated. Yeah. I feel like I made an impact there. Well, clearly you did. Like you can't. Sure, you can say that. And we've talked about that. You could also say that too, and you should. Fuck no. Why?

Because it's true. And I have an ego. I don't think. I think that's just seeing it for what it is. I truly feel like in my crazy mind, which is not healthy, I think very negatively because I'm positive things happen. It makes me happy. And that is so backwards.

Oh, yeah. It's the worst. It is the worst. You're setting yourself up for failure. And if the worst doesn't happen, you go, well, this is great. No, no. Would you, if you think. If you go to a steakhouse and you're expecting this steak and you get lima beans,

you're pissed off, right? So instead, you go to a lima bean restaurant and you get steak. I love a lima bean restaurant. Love a good lima bean restaurant. But if you get surprised with something you're not expecting, it's the fucking best. How good is a surprise birthday party? It's the craziest feeling ever. It trades your expectation for a pre-exemptive.

I don't know what that means, but yes. It's exactly what you're saying in a much nicer way. Because if you set your expectations and this happens with wrestling fandom all the time, if this doesn't happen, oh, it happens every week. That's what I hate about this. Like, why don't we want to be surprised anymore? Why, like, not at me, I love this.

I yell at my son, let yourself be a fan. I won't watch paper reviews with him at times. I kick him out of the room because he just fantasy books out loud. and it fucking irritates me. So I literally had to kick him out of the room. Either stop or you have to go. It's, it's funny that, like,

if you and I were watching a movie and we were 38 minutes into that movie and something happened that neither of us understood, we wouldn't go, this is so dumb. I can't even watch this movie anymore. We would go, well, let's see how this plays out. And at the end of the movie,

we can talk about if that made sense or not. because wrestling fans have been given too much. That's what it is. They've been given too much insight. And that's a good thing. We can see that for the entertainment. We can see the writing of it. We can see how it all works.

That's awesome. It's amazing. But also with that, you can't go into it thinking you know what's happening. And then when it doesn't go, that sucked because it wasn't what I thought was going to happen. Limeon beans and sticks. That's what it is. That's what it is. Is Landon starting to do?

train yet? He goes to our school. Not professionally. I won't train him until he's 17. Why 17? Because our other classes start when they're 17. Oh, okay. You've been one of the Joshes that you met today, bearded, bigger Josh. Yeah. He's my business partners. I've known him since I was in third grade, best friends ever since. He's the head trainer of our school with me. He made a good point to land, and he goes, you're going to have enough of an uphill battle. because of who your dad is. And no matter what you do, you can be the best out there. But everything's going to be the thought of it's because it's your dad.

You need to already break those barriers. If we start training you early, it's another thing that you can hold against you. And hold against that. But he does such a different path because of his stature, right? Sure. Yeah, and he's going to be incredible. I won't ever tell him that. It's not like he's in the room at all.

No, but when he does incredible things, I'm not going to say it because I need to humble him. Kendrick Lamar, right? Fane, fain, fain, fain, fain, fain, fain. It's still stuck in my head. It's still stuck in my head. It makes me happy. It's the only thing about Travis Scott I enjoy. So, Landon's 15 now.

15. So he has about two years. Yeah. Like I said, he goes to our school almost every Sunday for the secret class that our students run. He just, he works out with him. I will not formally train them. Formally? Yeah.

Formally? Formally is like a former. No, that's formerly. Oh, yeah. Ashkosh school system. Did you want another bite? Nope, we're good. Fuck on.

So you were a pretty young dad. Yeah. 23. Wow. Nobody likes you when you're 23. Like that? I don't know about you, but I'm feeling 22. Wow.

The Taylor Swift reference. I love Taylor Swift. Me too. Fuck. I've seen her three times, front row twice. What? Are you rich? No, this was before she was like big.

Front row twice for Taylor Swift? Best. How was it? Incredible. She's the best. Saw Bieber front row. I love Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber front row?

This was during the baby. Are you a secret billionaire? No, I have friends. I had a lot of friends in that due touring. I might have called in some favorites. Clearly. A lot of them have so many signed eight by tens of me. There's so many hornswagon,

eight by tens that have traded for nice things. That's it? That's all you need. Wow. Wow. When I was on the top. What's your favorite Taylor Swift song? Probably bad blood.

I really like bad blood. And nice to meet you where you been. I can show you incredible things. I could listen to style nonstop for the rest of the day today. I watched the constant. There was a concert on Disney Plus. My son came in the room. He goes, what are you doing? Yeah, we paid $19.89 to buy that on Amazon. My wife and I loved it. I cranked to the volume and just loved it. Every bit of it.

I almost flew myself to Indianapolis just to go. And I was like, I told Landon, I said, I'm just going to do it. I need to experience this. And he goes, don't. There's $6,000. And that's just to get in? Yeah. Whoa. I still almost did it. Just because I needed to experience it. How many horn swoggle eight by tens could have taken that price down? Six thousand? At this day and age, probably about six thousand old.

I still haven't seen Blink live. We saw them. It was the last show because Tom got, Tom or Mark? Tom got sick. And he could hardly sing that night. And he got sick and they canceled a bunch of dates after that. Oh, man.

It's awesome. They had like the center, I called the U2. stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's awesome. I feel like I've seen every other pop punk band. We want to see Green Day. Green Day's on our list now. Oh, that's going to be epic. Yeah, we've seen almost everyone multiple times. I just saw May Day parade the other day. That would be a good one. That was fantastic. I saw them at a war tour. Oh, nice. I think about it. Yeah. And like, I'm not I hate festivals. A, there's a lot of walking, so I don't like it. B, there's a lot of butts in

my face, so I don't like it. And I just can't see it. And it's like not. And the sets are never great, Unless you see the top, top act. Yeah. You're getting a 35-minute set, and it's, sure, it's their hits, but I don't, it always feels rushed at a festival. But Newfound Glory is number one for you, right? Newfound Glory jelly roll is actually overtaken as, like, probably my number two. But Pop Punk, Newfound Glory? Yeah, Newfound Glory, and Simple Plan.

I love Simple Plan. What's your favorite Newfound Glory album? Probably Catalyst. I like Catalyst a lot. I like their acoustic one. Oh, me too. That they just did. I like that one a lot.

I love acoustic versions of songs, of any song. I have on my Spotify, my Sunday morning, tomorrow morning. I'll lay on my bathroom floor because this is the Dylanism. Ready for this? You're going to, you guys are going to love this. Dylan Postel. Big bathroom floor heat vent person. That's my relax.

I'll lay on the bathroom floor. Like a cat. I'll turn the shower around for the sound. I'll put my Disney acoustic on on the Spotify and I'll lay in front of the heat vent or the air conditioning event. You ever lay in front of a heat vent in the cold? Sure, yeah, I grew up in Canada.

Or when it's warm, you ever laid in front of the cool when it's on cool? Yeah, of course. It's incredible. It's the cool floor too, the bathroom floor. You'll be on a cold floor. The fucking greatest. This only happens on Sundays?

Sunday's my usual. If I'm over some days during the week. Never at the hotel. Or at the hotel. There's no event. There's no vent. Yeah. Yeah, but the bathroom four would be cold.

It's very cold in the bathroom. It just pisses me out. I always have to run the shower. I would love to know my water shower, my hotel shower bills because I just run that bitch. I'm just running showers. Favorite blink album? The live one.

Oh, no, the new one. What's that new one with the happy song and the... Yeah. Wow. The new one? I like that one a lot. Yeah. I think Take Off Your Pants.

and jacket or Enema for me. Enema meant so much for me at that point in my life. Yeah, but I wasn't into it then. Like, I wasn't into... Fuck. I wasn't into them then. I'm into them, like, that era now.

I loved the live album. The live album actually made me a blink fan. The live album was like you were there. Correct. It was the first time I felt like, I don't know how I need to go to the concert because I'm there. There were so many funny lines of that, too?

Yeah. Yeah. Tom, Tom, Tom. There's so many back and forth riffs between Tom and Mark. And just funny things that you would experience at a concert. Yeah. And they would just throw in like extra lines in the songs. Like, what's my age again?

Where is my Asian friend? Yep. I loved it because if you weren't a fan of them, you still could listen to it, especially for like background noise. Yeah. And every song float into one another. Oh, boy. More chewing.

I had to. I was hungry. I think that's why I like the live albums, but I hate when they do a live album and they cut between songs. You know what I mean? They almost overproduce it, and it takes you out of the experience. Yeah, if the concert's an hour long,

give me that hour long recording. That's it. Yes. Don't cut. Don't do anything. I want to hear the back and force, the banter. I want to hear the crowd reaction to things. It makes me feel like I'm there.

Yeah, it kind of feels like pro wrestling in that way. You ever listen to a pro wrestling? match. I don't think it would suck. You know what I mean? I did it under the ring obviously all the time. I could hear that and I knew the matches. I knew what was happening. But like I've had, you know, I've met fans, blind fans that have come to wrestling shows. Man, can you imagine that experience? I think the closest that I've come to that is when you're in the concourse and you're about to go down into your seats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're hearing stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stop, some, stop, stop, stop, ah. I just wonder, I wonder, like, I wonder how they feel like.

I mean, obviously it's their life, a blind person. That's how they experience life and they experience wrestling. They probably still love it, but man, I can't imagine not seeing wrestling. Yeah, and like, so much of it's so vibrant. Would you rather be deaf or blind? Oh, my gosh. I think I'd rather be blind. They'd not hear.

Wow. But then not see? I'd rather be deaf. Really? Yeah, because then I could at least see the world and experience it. I can't hear it. You could drive. I don't fucking like driving.

I love driving, but I don't want to. If I had a reason not to drive, it would be fucking awesome. And I mean this with so much love. Yes, I can. My son drove me today. How do you reach the pedals? I sit on my wallet. What?

Put the wallet under me so I can see the over the dashboard. But how do you reach the pedals? Oh, the actual pedals. I put my cash watts on them. Legends deal. No, so. Are there extensions? Yeah, on my old car there was.

My old car had a pedal, a rod, and then my pedal. Now people are shorter and seats move up farther. So I literally just have a block on the pedal. So when my son drives, he just puts the seat back very far. It pisses me off because he never moves it back up. Well, he's significantly taller than you. He's a real human asshole. You're also a real human?

God, let's be honest. Come on now. I mean, not really. But no, my old, with the old pedal, it was awful for other people to drive because they had to, like, go under the post. I used, like, the tip of the pedal. It's very unsafe. You guys know that when it comes to health and well-being, I'm always looking for an edge.

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At what point in your life did you become okay with being you? For sure, your question is going to be at what point did you realize you're a little guy? Like something like that. Like, oh, fuck, like a mirror? Like, when did I see a mirror for the first time? Oh, what is that? Like, I don't, this is the things I don't like. I've never been okay with it secretly through counseling and therapy. I realize that even more. Which fuck. It's okay, guys.

L.A. Knight talked about it. It's okay to go to counseling. It's okay to go to therapy. I thought for the longest time it wasn't. It's the best. Being better with yourself and having that is the greatest thing ever. I love it. I don't think I've ever accepted okayness.

I've just accepted that it's life. if that makes sense. There's things that suck, having to kick a stool around my house or on my kitchen to get things, having to do that, like, just boarding a flight and having to ask the stewardess to get my bag from above or put it up there. Like, it's just life, though. Do you also feel like when you're outside of the wrestling world, people are just like, oh, who's that?

What is that? Kids, obviously, you know, when I, going out, it's, it's, there's two reactions. or why does that baby have a beard kind of thing like he's kind of they you see it in their minds like that he's like he's like he's like he's like it's just life though like it's just life now um landin actually like i'm just dad to him obviously and i'm just me this is who i've always been so he never saw me obviously differently and i it was very young he was very young when i think like i finally hit him like but his friends noticing me like how i am and him just kind of saying, hey, that's just my dad.

But you own it? I have to. I have to. I can't not. I can't. I mean, there's that, the lengthening, the bone lengthening surgeries and that, but I would never do that. I'm still going to have a big ass head.

Wonky ass arms. I'm not going to, I'm just, what, for three or four inches? Stupid. I feel like you're one of the most recognizing. little people on the planet. Fuck you, Peter Dinklage. Piece of shit. That's real heat, too.

Fucking hate him. He costed so many people in my community had jobs with that snow white bullshit. Pisses me off. Don't you also hate Hugh Grant? Why? Didn't the umpalumpa thing? It was not a thing? He did make a comment.

That's not as bad. Fuck Peter Dinklage. Like, fuck, man, it pisses me off. It still makes me mad. Like, he costed so many people jobs. So many people. Because he wanted to be the only dwarf. You know what? I don't think that. I think he wanted to make a statement and he thought he was making some cool, hip thing.

But it wasn't. When he did Elf, that check cashed just fine. Tery and Lanister was a role for a little person. He cashed that check for all those years. for all those years. Like, I'm okay not going out for Brad Pitt's role. Give me grumpy or happy or sleepy. And a major Disney remake? Yeah.

Yeah. Come on. And then you're going to have seven dwarves. Then they're extras. Then there's stunt doubles that are all going to get paid. And he fucked it. Well, I think you should be happy because that movie turned out it was atrocious. I heard it was dog shit.

Yep. Atrocious. So it's all good. Yeah, and I won't see it because I'm pissed off about it. I will not watch it. I love Disney. Don't worry. Nobody else is going to see it either.

I heard it. I heard it. Hang. But, oh, well. But when you think about it, it's Peter Dinklage, Vern Troier. Yeah, to be honest, I would say, I would say Vern Troyer, me. Brad Williams? Uh, um, uh, uh, fucking the British actor.

Oh, the British one. You're such a piece of shit. Yeah, Warwick Davis. That's it. Warwick Davis. Leprecone, and then he did a bunch of e-walks and that. But he worked, I would say the most. We man?

Fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I would say I am fourth. On the Mount Rushmore. Yeah, of midgets, yeah. That makes me really uncomfortable. I love it. I love when I say it for the first time, because it went around people because they literally go,

You gave me the M-word card. Yeah, only the user on me. I still have not cashed in that card. I don't want to. You can say it. It's fine. My dad will not say it. Eric Poth will not say the M-word.

No. It makes them very uncomfortable. I mean, I get it. It doesn't. It's a word. Why are we being a, like, again, when I go with an ego, if I'm offended by that, I view myself different to two on a pedestal. Hey, you're in your top four.

You're, I would say, I would say, Dinklage is above me. Sure. I would say Warwick Davis. Weeman's above me. Do you get mistaken for Weeman? Yes. All the time. That's, I get dinklage and we man.

All the time. My buddies love it. So when you get dinklage, you just like, I literally call, people. It's happened with Lana and I the other day. And I had to text my buddy, just got dinkledged. Just got dinked. Pissed me off so much.

Guys, we don't all look alike. Like, of course. Fuck, you think all children are the same person? We're all essentially children that we look like. children, fuck off. Stupid. Was Hornswoggle just perpetually a child? A child with a beard?

Like, wasn't their mindset to me being a child? Yeah. No, they wanted me like a gremlin. There's even some stuff with DX where like... Yo, there's so much where they did treat me like a child. Yes. They put me through school, like to teach me to talk. Like, all of that.

Yeah, it was a very weird thing. Like, one week they'd view me as a child. And the next week I was of drinking Guinness. Okay. Great. Why couldn't Hornswoggle talk? What was the story they told you? I just didn't talk. I grunted. Were you instructed of what these grunts were to sound like?

No. He just says, God damn, you're going to live under the ring, you're going to grunt. I'll never grunt again in my life. I will never grunt again. I get cameos that want me to do the quote unquote horn swoggle noise. Not a chance. So you just deny those? Canceled? I can talk. I'm a real fucking human.

I can talk now. You're an excellent communicator. Santa gave me the ability to talk. Santa did. McFolly is Santa. Yep. My Christmas wish was to talk. I can talk.

What's the point, though, of that character not talking? I was a demonish, gremlin-ish character that lived under the ring. It was essentially Gallum or Schmeagle or whatever the thing is. What is it? What's his name, Lord of the Rings? Yeah, Gaul. Was that right? My precious.

My precious. I've never seen one of the movies. That made my idea. Yeah, that's all it was. All it was supposed to be was I was just this little like gremlin that lived under the ring. What was, what were you rubbing on your face? Eye shadow, black eye shadow. Did you do it?

Yep. Did you bring that with you or did you go to makeup? Nope. Every time I had a thing of it in my bag at all times. So there was a lot of thought that went into what this character was all. all about. No. But not originally, at least.

I don't think so. I think it was just Finley's like leprechaun that lived under the ring that he could use as a weapon. That's it. So what point did they realize this is working? Let's bring him back. I don't know, man. I truly don't. Again, this might be my view of myself, not very good.

I don't know when that happened. And I don't get why. But when they told me about the DX thing, it was actually Hunter that came up to me and said, he went to Sean and Hunter goes Hey, and it was me and Chavo in the ring for a rehearsal And Hunter goes, hey, kids really like him

And Sean goes, Chavo? Literally like a skit that they would have filmed And Hunter goes, no, fucking Hornswoggle They love kids love him it That would be part of us And I was like, okay, yes Yes Hunter and Sean I would love it through Was it supposed to be just a one-off thing?

No It was off to the racist Man. It's incredible. I loved throwing glow sticks. I got to do with Axpock Piro. It's the best. Did a lot of...

I always say it now, I don't do crotch chops. It was like telling people to suck my navel. My leg, my arms don't reach my schmeckle. So they don't reach. I just tell them people suck it. Just my belly button. What were your original thoughts when they told you about Little People's Court? I was so happy, man.

Like, there's going to be a whole segment for me again. insane. Like, they're going through that. That whole time, going from the Vince's son stuff to that, to everything was just, like, it was crazy to me. I would have full segments just for me. Now I'm finally starting to be able to look back and go, whoa,

it's pretty cool. Because I think Sean Michael said that was one of his favorite segments ever with Little People's Court. You got a piece of tape on the bottom of your shoe. You can't do this. I cannot. Man, if he says that, that makes me pretty happy. You use it all the time.

Grateful. Very grateful, man. Things like that. Does that segment, going back to what you were just talking about, does that segment make you feel good? Look how many little people actors got hired. Yeah, it was great. It was awesome to have them and give them a spot.

And, like, just like, again, give them a payday. It's awesome. Same with all of, like, the mini battle royal. Mm-hmm. When Little Batista got kicked out of backstage. Little Batista got kicked out of backstage because he was taking photos. It's the best. Is it one of my favorite things?

Oh, yeah. Who was he taking photos of? We don't need to talk about that. Okay. Okay. But yeah, got escorted out. I go, where's Little Batista? I go, oh, he's got asked very nicely to leave the building.

Poor Little Batista. I am. That might be. I don't know his money situation. Tell us the story behind when you met the Rock for the first time. Oh, fuck. That's my boss now. That's my boss, Dwayne.

He runs TKO. I'm under a legend's deal. He's essentially my boss. Rock, I accept your apology. He thought I was a make-a-wish kid. And what year is this? Going into the year he hosted. So he hosted 27.

Yeah, so he was going, he did a promo announcing he was, be the host. And I was like, I'm going to meet my buddy Dwayne. I'm going to be his best friend. We're going to have tequila and Zoa energies. Didn't exist back then, but for sure. I would, obviously. And so I am in a suit for like a legit suit, not my leprecha outfit with my gear bag. And I'm going to meet him at the behind the curtain as he comes through in my mind, best friends. I see my buddy Dwayne come back through I go, oh, you're weak. Hey, man, thank you so much for coming back.

Thanks for, you know, what you're going to do for WrestleMania and what you're going to do for the company and just glad to have you back. Good to meet you. My name's Dylan. He extends his arm out. He goes, did you have a good time tonight, buddy? Taps me on the shoulder.

He leaves. And I go, oh, no. Oh, no. He doesn't realize. I work here. I was on the show before that. I told Kofi, thinking he would have my back and support me. He supported me by texting 97 people immediately while driving because he couldn't wait on it.

Within 30 seconds, I had so many people message me. Rock flight you ever make a wish kid, huh? Big Show called him out the next week about this because it got the big show. And Rock goes, no. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did. I don't watch a show. It's like, yep, that's, that's, uh, then I reproached about it too.

And, yeah, yeah, a big show already got up hanging about this. You guys are good now. I hope so. He's your boss. My boss. I could be like, I can be the next Kevin Hart, just a tiny little actor. That's right. Having fun.

Put me in Jumanji. Yeah, Jumanji 3. Yeah. It could be you. The next, next level. Do you have aspirations to do more acting? I would love to. Yes, I want to do it.

That's like my goal. Hawkins asked if we could talk about Lepricon. Hawkins can go fuck himself. Hawkins, what movie were you in? You were in some straight DVD rom-com that three people saw. I was in Leprecon origins and Muppets. Your daughter's, Hawkins, love me in Muppets. They know me as Dylan from the Goulog.

What do they know you as, dad? Do you still audition for stuff? Not really because, like, I don't. don't have someone getting me things. Otherwise, I wouldn't a heartbeat. That'd be cool. I would love it. It would be way better at my body.

Well, that's the great thing about acting. You can do it forever. I would love to. Wrestling has a very, you know. I'm getting there, buddy. Yeah? Yeah. I think so.

How many matches a year do you have right now? 35. 40 and 50. Okay. 35 and 50 probably. That's almost one a week. Yeah. I would say.

But you're not taking a ton of bumps. No. Take a real good pie face. A couple elbows. Yeah, but the travel is the worst part for me. Just getting in on planes. Uncomfortable. So how many more years do you want to do this?

I don't know. I hate that question. I always said like 35. Then I always said 40. Now I'm 38. And your birthday's in like two weeks? Yeah, 39. You and my daughter share the same birthday.

Oh, really? Yeah, May 29th. Brian Kendrick. Oh. Steve Carrino. What? Yes. Wow.

I would be dumb to say 40, but then I go I would be dumb to say 45. I don't know what I'm going to do. I know this in Target. But with what you're doing, the style of wrestling that you do, you could do this forever. Sure. But I don't want to be Mickey Roark and the wrestler, man. Yeah. I don't want to.

The minute I start doing that, burn my, I should burn all my gear. I don't want to do that. I don't want to be a... It's disgusting to me. It's so gross to, like, think about going out, hobbling to the ring, which what I was doing was heavy, heavy, very out of shape, hobbling to the ring. And, like, I felt myself, and I was like, I need to change. Something needs to change. What's the storyline when you look back that you pinch yourself a little bit and you go, I can't believe I was involved with that?

Redact his son. Yeah. Vince's son, man. Like, 15th anniversary, I opened the show. I have three segments on the show, including a match with, the thing with Hulk Hogan. And then the closing shot is me pouring beer on Vince McMahon because of entering a stone cold beer batch. It's insane. A whole WrestleMania match was written around me.

I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't. Things like that make me go, like, why me? That's where I don't understand. Why me? You had a cage match with Vince McMahon. Yeah, man.

I remember going into rehearsal and going over it before the show and be like, just looking at the cage and be like, I'm a freaking cage match on Raw. And then I look over and go, with him. Like, this is nuts. I'm grateful. You sold those belt shots? There was no way I couldn't. You see me take one and then I immediately put my hand on my ass because I didn't want to get hit anymore.

It hurts so bad. But it had to. It had to. But it wasn't just that you were selling that it hurt. You sold this in a way that I've really never seen wrestlers sell with their facial expression. You sold this like you were a hurt puppy dog. Yeah, that's what he goes. He goes, we need, this is the time we finally need real emotion. Like real, real emotion.

And I was like, okay, I'm going to try my best. Your face said, how could you do this to me? Yeah, that's exactly. That was my mindset. My mindset was, how are you doing this? I'm your kid. And I was like, okay, that was my mindset with the whole segment. That was a powerful segment because there was no announcing. No.

Like, towards the end of that match, they stopped announcing. And it was just what we saw in the ring was what we saw in the ring. The closing shot of Finley carrying me out is one of my most favorite things I've ever done. Well, JBL, like, did not let up on you. He told me it was, it's coming tonight because it has to. I go, good. Good. He like boots you in the face.

And then the throw into the cage. and it was far. He threw me. And I landed right on the shaleli, which hurt the worst. Everything was okay. It sucked, but landing that bump

and then the shaleli under me, and going, oh, no. And then, like, having to sell dead dead was weird because I was like, I can't sell, I can't actively sell because I'm supposed to be just out of it.

It's nuts. It's not the thing that that whole thing was the original plan was Fit versus Vince at WrestleMania. that was the original idea. Man. They cut to a shot of Vince,

and I don't know if it's just great acting or it's genuine shock, but after you take the fallaway slam into the cage, he's like, whoa. Yeah, it's, uh, that's probably my most proud, like, performance and thing that happens. Spotlight, I think.

We all see in that. Then DX. And again, like, you, there's this fine line in wrestling with acting. Like there's this fine line of like, is it too much? Is it not enough? What you did there was like absolutely perfect for that. It was a fun night at the office, as I say.

And I didn't know how awesome it would be until after. Yeah. That like really endeared you to fans too. I think so. I think that whole storyline really helped me obviously and really like gave me another, shine another spotlight, obviously with the spotlight they gave me, but with fans especially.

It was another side of them, of me for them. Yeah, kids just loved you. That's where I felt it. That's where, during the Vince storyline is where I felt my following from kid fans. It's like, this is crazy. So like they wanted to meet you instead of, like John Cena? Shack's kids wanted to meet me instead of John Cena. What?

He goes, hey, my kids really want to meet you. They didn't care about meeting Sina or Randy. me, I go, me? Yeah. It was nuts. What do you think it was? I think they thought I was one of them. I truly do. They felt for me because of my size. And they felt, yeah, it was one of them.

They lived through me. What about blowing coach up under the ring? I loved it. Coach was so much fun to work with. He was up for literally everything. so doing any of the segments we did, he was the ultimate good fall guy for everything. He's just an amazing, amazing performer,

willing to do anything. So just doing all that stuff with him was just the most fun. It was just easy. I think you were the ultimate fall guy for a lot of things too. I always laugh at it. Like, who's going to be the GM? Might as well be Hornswoggle. All that stuff.

Like, final cruise away champion. Why not Hornswoggle? Fine by me. me TV time. Sure. Yeah, I love it. But it just felt like when a storyline was falling apart, and they didn't know where to go with this. They'd just be like, well, Sorenswoggle. Yeah. I love it. Got me on television. Like the Raw GM thing fell apart. Like they clearly had no solution for that. It was not supposed to be what it was. I was supposed to be this new heel character that could talk and all that. With a New Jersey accent. Yeah, you told me the story.

Nick from Jersey. So stupid. But yeah, it's like, I just, I just, I, I could have been so awesome, like, looking back on it. But also, like, I can't live in the thought of what if. It's not healthy. I talk about healthy mindsets. Not a healthy mindset. But it was just like, you were okay with being the butt of the joke. Yeah.

Again, I don't take myself seriously. And also, you're paying me to live my dream. Why? Why poo-poo an idea when you're being shown on worldwide television to live your dream and getting paid a good amount of money. Why question it? Were there ever lines that they broached or they crossed the UN? Please don't say that.

No. I was not a fan of when they had me be like the New Year's baby that time. And like during my very heavy stages, there were a few times where they had me like shirtless and they had me dressed as a cow that one time. And I knew that those were poking a little fun. But again, I did it. because I was on television.

I'm fine with it. Is what it is. But were there ever things where you, like there were a lot of like short jokes, little jokes? No. Because, again, I'm the first one to make those too.

I don't care. If you're going to be offended by that, again, I think you take yourself too seriously. I truly do. Are there things when you see them in movies or pop culture with little people where you're like,

I don't like that? Never. Because they're giving a, they're being given a spotlight. Like I think about the Wolf of Wall Street and the scene where they're throwing midget said a dolphin. He said it.

I said it because he gave me the past. He said it. I'm so happy. I am so happy. Makes me so happy. No, but here's the thing. They could not do that, and then that guy doesn't have a role.

That's my thought. Don't take the role. If you're offended by it, don't take the role. I sure, as she will. Because I don't get offended. I don't care. Take yourself too seriously. top. I don't know. I just don't. I never got that mindset.

When you started growing your hair out, when did you start seeing the people thinking, he looks a little bit like AJ Styles? It wasn't, never. Not until I did a stand-up thing at a Conrad Thompson show. I think it was a Conrad show or something I did one of my evening with things, like opened up for him. And someone posted a photo of that, of me with the long hair and the goatee. And I forget who even. said it, but like, someone said mini AJ, or AJ Swaggle,

like, posted it. And then it, like, took off. Orton tweeted about it and, like, the good brothers and, like, they loved it. And then, so they pitched it to Scott Demore, of course, or Scott pitched it to them. And I never saw it. I just, I just never saw it at all. It's just, but then as soon as as they thought of the idea, I was like,

yep, let's do it. Again, TV time. Fine by me. Yeah, you coming out as AJ styles in TNA was one of the shining moments. We talk about that. One of the shining moments of a really awkward time in wrestling. Yeah, pandemic. Pandemic era. But it was so cool for me because I got to do that for a major company against my best

friend, Ethan Page. Like, it was the night off. It was so fun. Hearing get ready to fly was very cool. You love that song. I don't like. I love that. I love that.

I said that to AJ. He hates it. I hate that song, man. He doesn't want to hear it ever again. I think it's because he heard it so much. It's exactly what he said. I'm like, you know, if you go back to TNA before you retire.

Yeah, I hate the Hornswell music. Hate it. But I use the intro into Newfound Glory because people love it. Hornswell song. I just don't like. Because you heard it too much? So much.

So much. But it's full of happiness and glee. Like, people love that song. I hate it because I've heard it so much. Do you appreciate what? it represents? 100%. I love that part of it.

I love that it represents me. I would never, if WW would have me on again, I would never want to use another song. But it's like a gnat in my head at times. What newfound glory song do you use? Hitter miss. Oh man,

I love that song. That's the very first newfound glory song I ever heard. When I got released, I was like, I got to find us a song. And I was like, I can't be anything but newfound glory. Is it something to do with the lyrics of that song? I love the song.

I've always loved it. And I didn't want to do my friends over you because my friends over you, I love that song. But that's almost like the Nat song now. Because everyone plays it. Yeah, that's the go-to. Always, always. And I love the song, and it should close every concert they do.

But, yeah, I had to have something different. The needle on my record player has been wearing thin. Mm-hmm. I just, I love being able to come out to music that I want to hear. Do you sing along? Yep. Every time when I hear it,

I literally catch myself mouthing it. Like Ria, like I was thinking like, because Ria, you notice Ria now every time, every entrance, you always see her mouthing her song. That means she loves her music.

You should always like your song. Singing along the entrance themes is now a thing. Yeah, I love it. I just, I was at the gym. I was at the gym.

And I was like, you know what I want to hear? It would really get me going, like the crowd singing Randy Orton. And it got me like, so psyched. And I was like, this is amazing. It's so cool.

I was there at Backlash in St. Louis, and that's obviously his hometown, but he came out, and now he's like queuing the crowd, which is ironic because he's said he didn't really like the song. But now he's queuing the crowd to sing it, and it's like, man, that's so cool.

I had it once where they sang, I was at Beyond Wrestling, and they sang my new phone. Oh, that was the coolest thing. That's very cool. It was literally goosebumps. I feel like Jericho started it with... Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so for sure.

I think it was definitely here. Judas. Yeah, for sure, it was for Judas, 100%. And then we started getting the woe of Cody's song. Yep. They did punks here and there. Edges just started popping up a few months ago. I feel like once we had those amazing backlash crowds, it took off.

Like, AJ's song. We are allowing fans to, like, be part of the show. That's great. But then this goes back to what we were talking about before, where if the fans are part of the show, then they feel like they're in on this. And if they feel like they're in on this, then they feel like their voice should be heard.

And if they feel like their voice should be heard, then they feel like they should be booking it. Then screw us. Right. How dare you? And it's a very fine line to walk. Got to give them a little bit. Give them a little bit of line.

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wherever you got this podcast. Look it up now or when this episode's over. What's your favorite WrestleMania moment that you've been a part of? 24. No. Yeah. You know what? I always go back between 23, the bump from Ken and 24.

I mean, 24, that match was because of me. And that's not an ego thing. It was written because of me, because of my role. It's crazy. Having an entrance at WrestleMania. That was my first day back, it was WrestleMania. Man. Insane.

Love it. So you're saying there's a chance we could see you back. I would love to. At any point in time. I would love to. The producing thing is probably my mindset more than any, more than entering. Because I would love to do that. Um, yeah, but I, you never know. I, I never burn a bridge, man that gave me 10 years

living my absolute dream, paying me well, letting me provide for my son. I burn that bridge. No reason to. I guess we kind of skipped over it earlier, but becoming a father at 23, how did that change your life? Made me have to be a real human. how's a degenerate absolute degenerate the day he was born I looked next to his mom and I go

now I'm focusing on him and I literally saw him and I said you need to change your life you need to be a decent human and my focus is fully him fully him this ain't gonna last

this that but I have to give him something. It's my life. Yeah, it's amazing how much... It's the coolest thing ever, man. It is. It's the coolest thing ever. I'm a new father, and it's just your perspective changes drastically.

Nothing matters. Nothing matters. I hated sports. He played football last year, it was the coolest thing ever. To see him play football and, like, getting pissed off at the refs and other fans. And, like, there's the cool. I look forward to games. I love that.

I love it. It just makes me happy. Everything, everything about it. It makes me, I mean, they say it all the time and it's very cliche, but it gives you another, like, purpose. Yeah. I don't need to do this. I need to do that.

And that's your last bite. What perfect timing. That is some gross chewing right there. You timed it out. One full hour. Was there really? One hour. Yeah, it was one hour.

I don't know, man. We do these all the time. This is our third one on these. Fourth? No, it's not. 2019. Gangrel. We did one during COVID over Zoom.

We did. Do we really? That's when you told me the AJ Style story. Mm-mm. Yes. That was the last one. No, it wasn't. Oh, shit.

Do it really? Yes. Is this four? Yeah. Then we did Squared Circle Expo now. This is our fourth one. No recollection of that second one. COVID.

COVID brain. I have told you this, and I have told everyone this, your interviews and your interview style and everyone you do is bar none number one when it comes to not just wrestling. When it comes to any interview that I watch

and I listen to every week, my freaking son text me, you listen to CVV yet? He listens at school. but your interview and your interview style is untouchable. Thanks, but how comfortable, how comfortable you make people is untouched. That it's not doing an interview. It's just two buddies talking.

Whether you met the person for the first time that day or you've known them for years, it's never a, God, I can't wait to get the scoop out of this. I'm talking to you now, like I talk to you on the phone, like I text with you, like I see you at a show at a convention. that's what it should be. When we put the, they want that. They can get dirt in any interview from me. They can get the same bullshit from me in any other interview.

This is different. Thank you. And the thing is, with us just having this conversation, there will be headlines from this. There will be news from this. But it's just from us hanging out and catching up. I don't want to do the same song and dance when it comes to these. It's nothing more irritating than doing so.

So what got you into wrestling? Fuck. It's your favorite match. Who trained you? How was Triple H? Vince was your dad. Saying bullshit. Like, we're talking about pop punk and we're talking about dad stuff.

We're just like, they can't get that stuff anywhere. It's us. It's us. Well, I think our next one, when that happens, we'll just talk about pop punk for an hour. I love that. Let's talk about pop punk. You listen to any current pop punk? Not really.

And I don't mean like brand new stuff. You know, you gotta check out Lost Bros. Lost Bros. Guys, if you love Pop Punk and you love Disney, Lost Bros. They do Disney covers or Pop Punk Disney covers. Oh my gosh. Have you heard the paradox?

What? Oh my gosh. They sound like it's the exact same sound of like early blink. Okay. Oh my gosh. You're going to love the paradox. That's going to be on my Spotify tomorrow. Well, you got to do me like that.

Oh, you're going to love it. It won't make the bathroom floor Spotify. You say that now. It won't. It's only acoustic Disney songs. Dylan, always so good to catch up with you, man. This is just fun. What are three things?

Fuck, yeah. My favorite. New ones? My son, always. They don't have to be new. No, no. Grateful, my son. What he keeps growing into?

height-wise, personality-wise, all of that, the human. He's going to be even taller than he is now. He's enormous. He's also so kind. Fuck, stop. So handsome. This asshole texts me about my son. And all it is is he's so kind. He's so nice.

He's so tall. The end of it always is he's so tall. And that's the ultimate dig at me. Because I'm not a tall human. I don't know if you know this. I'm not a tall human. I'm a tiny guy. I feel like Landon should,

why don't you hop in for just a second? Come on. Yeah. This is going to make his life. Yeah, this is great. Yeah. Yeah. Here we go.

See, you're so tall, you're out of the shot. Wow. You have to crouch down next to your dad. There we go. Now you're in the shot. Same height and he's in a knee by the. Wow.

He's way taller than you. He's not a knee. No, him. This is great. You know what? My family as a whole. They've always been a support system. And it's so cliche, but like friendships that I continue to make.

That grow like with you, with Ethan Page, with Hawkins, with that kind of thing. Like friendships I never saw coming. That have now turned into best friendships. That's what I'm grateful for, man. I love that. Landon, thank you for popping into the shot here. Fuck. Guys, I'm leaving.

No, no, you're not done yet. I'm grateful for you. I actually had a moment on the plane when I was flying over here where I was like, I always say out loud the things I'm grateful for just because it really centers you

when you're focusing on the things that you have instead of being pissed off about the things you don't. But I was like, I'm so grateful that I... Hold on. What you just said is the mindset

that you said I shouldn't have. Don't be pissed off about what you don't have. No, you frame it in like, well, things could be bad. Like, things could be terrible, but... Yeah, so when good things...

Okay, go ahead. You say, you're on the plane. Go ahead. And I said, man, I'm so grateful. Look at this. I am flying to this wrestling convention that I was invited to by a W.W.E. Legend. What? Yeah. This is insane.

So thank you. Oh, fuck. You're done. That's fine. The tab went into your drink. I know I have to drink this. I'm going to choke. It's a good life.

You're here because you've made an impact on wrestling. You're here because there are people here today that want to meet you. That still blows my mind. It's the best. And it shows the reach you have. And it shows if you were a piece of shit, they wouldn't be here meeting you. Yeah. It's...

You're human. Thank you, man. It's the coolest thing. I thought I was going to stay in the bottom of the can. I'm done. Oh, you actually got it. No, but yeah, I almost went down my throat. The tab.

Hey, man. Thank you. He is just hilarious. Go check out his podcast called Going Postal. It's available wherever you're listening to this right now. Go check out his YouTube channel. It's just his name, Dylan Postle, and go subscribe to him. I think I could have Dylan on the show every few months, and we would still have more stories

to tell. And I would just continue to be inspired by his story. He's just the absolute. best. And he had, he has one heck of an independent promotion, ACW in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. I was honored to be part of that show. You might have seen the clips online. I gave a rock bottom. A little Chris Sharp came out for a few seconds there. And I gave a rock bottom to Brock Hall. And thank you for all the comments. I saw one the other day that I'll admit, made me smile. Someone said, that is the best rock bottom I've ever seen by someone not named Dwayne.

So thank you. If you haven't checked out the clip, look it up on Instagram or YouTube or Facebook or wherever. It's everywhere. But I hope you enjoyed this chat with Dylan. Snap a screenshot. Let us know that you were listening. Tag us.

He's at Dylan Postel on social media. I'm at Chris Van Fleet. And I'll wrap this up with probably the most simple quote that I've ever shared at the end of one of these episodes, but also probably one of the most profound. And this is going to speak to, I think, a lot of people. If nothing changes, then nothing changes. Be great.

Be grateful, my friends. We'll see you on the next one for some more insight. Omas joins us on Thursday. And yes, if you're wondering, we plan that. Hornswagon, swoggle on Tuesday. Omas is the next episode. I love it. We'll see you right back here on Thursday for that.

Rome takes on sports. Why? Because I have a job to do. With rapid fire takes. So I don't want to hear from you lava pigs on this notion today. No idea what you're talking about. You're complaining more than you like to breathe air. It's like you get up in the morning only to complain and cry and moan on social media about things that you don't even understand. He's the spitfire of sports smack.

Ticket ban, job, but get up in here. The Jim Rome Show podcast. What's your beef? Follow and listen on your favorite platform. You've been warned.