Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Hornswoggle Is HILARIOUS! WeeLC, Fit Finlay, WrestleMania Moments

Episode Date: May 21, 2024

Dylan Postl (@dylanpostl) is a professional wrestler best known for his time in WWE where he performed under the name Hornswoggle. He sits down with Chris Van Vliet in Indianapolis, IN to talk about his book "Life Is Short And So Am I", how he started as a backyard wrestler, getting discovered by WWE, debuting with Fit Finlay, being involved in the storyline as Vince McMahon's illegitimate son, why the WeeLC match was so memorable for him, taking Mr. Kennedy's finisher off the ladder at WrestleMania 23, his friendship with Kofi Kingston, being named the Anonymous Raw GM, his son Landon wanting to be a pro wrestler, his podcast called "Going Postl" and much more! Check out Dylan's podcast "Going Postl" here: https://www.youtube.com/@dylanpostl Quote I'm thinking about: "Don't yuck other people's yums" Sponsors: PURE PLANK: The future of core fitness! Use the code CVV to save 10% on Pure Plank which was designed by Adam Copeland & Christian: https://gopureplank.com/ PRIZEPICKS: Download the app today and use code INSIGHT for a first deposit match up to $100! RHONE: Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use CVV to save 20% at https://www.rhone.com/CVV BLUECHEW: Use the code INSIGHT to get your first month of BlueChew for FREE at http://bluechew.com ROCKET MONEY: Join Rocket Money today and experience financial freedom: https://rocketmoney.com/cvv BETTERHELP: Get 10% off your first month with the code INSIGHT at http://betterhelp.com/insight MUDWTR: Get 15% off with the code CVV15 at http://mudwtr.com/cvv PLUNGE: Get $150 off your Plunge with the coupon code CVV150 at http://plunge.com For more information about Chris and INSIGHT go to: https://podcast.chrisvanvliet.com If you enjoyed this episode, could I ask you to please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcast/iTunes? It takes less than a minute and makes a huge difference in helping to spread the word about the show and also to convince some hard-to-get guests.  Follow CVV on social media:  Instagram: instagram.com/ChrisVanVliet Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisVanVliet Facebook: facebook.com/ChrisVanVliet YouTube: youtube.com/ChrisVanVliet TikTok: tiktok.com/@Chris.VanVliet Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That was so cool. Seeing all those messages and comments on social media. I appreciate you guys so, so much. My good friend, Dylan Postel is back with us. Of course, you know him better from his time in WWE as Hornswoggle. And this is his third appearance on the show in the last five years. Well, the show is only five years old. The podcast is only five years old.

Of course, the YouTube channel extends back to 2011, but since it's been a podcast, Dylan's been on it three times. And if you've never heard an interview with Dylan or you didn't even know that Hornswoggle's real name was Dylan, get ready to laugh. Not only does he tell the best stories, he also has the most infectious laugh ever. He also has a podcast of his own called Going Postal. So when this episode is done, go give him a follow. and go check out his latest episode. Speaking of giving people follows, give him a follow on social media.

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It's an awesome one. Please welcome Dylan Postle, aka Hornswoggle. How's your podcast doing? Awesome. Yeah. We're having fun. We're having a lot of fun.

We're building a brand. Literally. Is this shark tank? The bald guy wouldn't give me shit. The old lady might, she might have a cute crush on me or something. Barbara Corcoran. Yeah, yeah, but it's, we're having fun. I just had, I call him Dolf.

That's your name. I'll never call you Nick in my life. We just had Dolf on for, like, a really, cool interview. It was one of those things where the issue that I'm finding is when I interview my friends, I get real nervous. Real nervous. Why?

Because I don't want it to come off as an interview. I want it to just be a conversation between buddies, but also hit on points. And so it's hard for me to go like, hey, remember when? Without just going, hey, remember when? Because if you saw Nick in real life,

you would never. Bring it up and it was funny and like he also that podcast was such a roast of each other But that's how our really our friendship is I feel like uh my relationship With 90% of my friends real life or wrestling it's like a roast but that's my that's me Because I everyone I was asked you're bullied in school and I talked about it in my book Life is Short and So Am I available at dillimpostle.com And I didn't. And I truly feel I didn't because I was the first one to make the joke.

Like they would, if someone said, you know, tap me on the head of the left, great. You can skip school class and you're going to get caught. I go in a locker. I'm fine. Or like shit like that. I won every limbo contest from the age of three years old. They weren't getting it.

I was getting free movie tickets for winning limbo contests. They weren't. So, but that's, it was. There was stuff like that where it's just like fun to me. I've never taken myself seriously. I make jokes all the time. I was on six WrestleMania's. But it was one of those, like everyone now knows it's such a joke because I don't believe in myself.

Wait, you believe in yourself. No. What? I don't. I don't believe in myself. I never have. Fuck, we just got really heavy. Oh.

Uh, uh, ha. I don't take myself seriously. I never have. Life, wrestling, being a dad, I don't take myself seriously. I take the things I do seriously,

but I don't take myself seriously. It's a very weird, thin line. Six WrestleMania is, what's your WrestleMania record? Because you didn't wrestle on all of them. I didn't wrestle on fucking one of them. That's right.

23, I took the bump, the huge bump. Undefeated at WrestleMania then. Undefeated and underpaid. Well, let's talk about all of them. So, WrestleMania 23 with Mr. Kennedy. Yeah, man.

At first WrestleMania, we're talking through the match and we're planning it out WrestleMania week at the hotel. They always had separate rooms with practice rings or walk-through rings. And they're like, hey, at one point, Swagli, you're going to try

climb for the thing and Kennedy is going to power bomb me off if the original plan was a power bomb. And so we're doing on the crash pad. I don't like power bombs. I never have because when I was backyard wrestling, I took a bad one and I like scorpion weirdly. And it was very weird and I never took them because I've fallen backwards really high. And for my people, midgets, I'm giving you a part. He got real uncomfortable guys. I hope we get, we need the camera change of when I said that word and he just goes, it was literally like he bit a lemon. Wait a second.

Do I get that one? I never take a power bomb as well. And every time he was like practicing on the crash pad, I would turn. And I remember like Fit and Johnny going like, I don't know about that. And I'm like, I'm thinking like, shit, this is my recipeing a moment.

I'm screwing it up. So they're talking through the match. And I go over to Ken. And I go, hey, I have an idea. Can you give me your finish off the ladder? And he goes, I don't know, man. I go, let's try it.

And so we set up another ladder. While everyone's talking on the outside of the ring, we're in the ring, we're set with another ladder. I'm climbing one. And he picks me up on the other, crash pads here, he picks me up on the other. And all I hear is Finlay and with this typical echo, here we go. And it was one of those, he did it under the crash pad. And I was like, yep, it's happening.

I look right at Johnny and said, let's do it. And it was one of those things where I legitimately did not think it would be such a moment at that time. Day of WrestleMania, we walk through the pickup because now we're in the ring and the letters are moving. And I'm going, all right, let's do it. That's when I knew I was like, this could be big. And I didn't think it would be such a lasting moment. I mean That was seven years

No Holy shit 17 years later We're still talking about it Wow It's just when you watch it It's just Like it's one of the

goosebumps Big Shane here Dill Johnson they call me The Dill The Dill The Big Dill The Pbble The Pabble

But it's when you watch it back, it's so vile. The cool thing is, is when you, if you watch it, you see me, I was hit, and I have a smile on my face. And I just stop selling. And Ken goes, you good? I go, I'm good, buddy. And I go, oh, shit, I got to sell. But it's one of those things.

And then the other cool thing is you see me selling it, pick me up. And I'm shaking, shaking, shaking. And then when I were ready to go, you just see me go, just like hold tight man it was great it was uh it made like every trailer from the mania it made the DVD booklet like the picture it's it's uh it was incredible that's a true wrestlemania moment yeah and i i don't again i don't believe in myself uh you need to stop that i know i understand this not a way to wait not a healthy way to live believe me i know um i don't do many healthy things But the thing is, man, the cool thing was he trained me to wrestle.

I talked about it all the time. He was the guy that trained me. He got me in my job. He put his name out there for me in WWE. And so for us to have that moment. Yeah. It was really, really cool. So how do you try to talk with the next year?

I'm announced as Vince is a little bit junk. You know, this is why WWA and I'm not good at it. The Vince's Sun angle. Yeah. And then it ends up turning into Bradshaw and Fing. Finley and I'm hurt. I don't know if I'm coming back for wrestling Regiment. Legitimately didn't know.

This is 24. For Orlando. I didn't know. I didn't know what the plan was. I didn't know. I was like, I'm just done. Is this it? Because when I was hired, I was told it's six months. I literally told this because it's going to be a six-month cake. It was a bit longer, and we talk

about grateful. First grateful moment. I love that. Talley. Just making your graphics guy hate me with amazing. But it's one of those, it's, it's, then they literally called me. Because it gave me travel like two weeks out. And I was like, oh, shit, it's Orlando.

I'm going to do Disney. I'm like Disney fanatic. I'm going to do Orlando and do Disney with all my buddies. And we're going to do, just make a trip. And so I'm going to go in early. I was going to go in early, the week. I was going to go in from Monday because I wasn't booked on Raw. So I was going to go Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, every day.

And then Saturday, Sunday. They're like, no, you can't. we need you as a surprise. We need you to fly in Saturday night. And I go, but I'm going to Disney World. And then I realized what I said, two Stephanie McMahon, mind you. And she goes,

Dylan, I really think, you should think about this and think about that this surprise will be better. So maybe just have you come in a day. You're correct. Yeah, I guess I could put Disney on hold. Yeah, and so we went the week after,

the whole week after it for five days. It was great. But that, and then that was the, so 23, I didn't have an entrance. 23, I just came from under. 24, having an entrance at WrestleMania. I can't describe it other than you don't see people. You just see faces. It's a very weird thing.

Everyone's all wrestling shirts are black, unless you're John Cena, and then it's orange. My hearing aid is going off. That's 37, by the way. 37 years old of the hearing aid, baby. It's my life. Um, you can put it on here. Okay. Don't do anything healthy.

Just put my hearing aid on my jeans. Um, also, just remember, guys, peek behind the curtain. CVV asked me, do you want your feet in the shot? I go, is it funny? Pretty funny. Is the hearing aid from like being, like, is it from wrestling? I had a tumor in my ear. when I was a kid

and just like my first back surgery that paralyzed me as a child this one the doctor never worked on a person of my stature were different I got a large skull not as big of a brain

large skull they literally cut it open they flip it here my ear here and they go oh no it's different than a normie is one of your people it's different than a normie's skull and ear

and they literally hit it they ended up hitting an artery. Oh, wow. And so I was like bleeding out. And they got it. They passed it up. And I had to wear, I had to wear gauze.

This is sixth grade, mind you, when everyone's judging. If they're not judging this, they're going to judge this giant bandage on my head. That, and they just literally like sewed me up with the issue and the possible bleeding still in my ear. Wow. So a month later, we got it taken out, but they ended up with the surgery. They made a hole on my eardrum. And I just, it was like 70% after surgery. I got it checked.

I've had the hearing aid now for a year and a half. And it was like 3%. Wow. Just over time. I'm sure being under a ring didn't help. But yeah, it's, it's a lifesaver. I was very self-conscious. I didn't even notice because your hair covered.

Yeah, I was very self-conscious. And my father, who is my absolute hero and my son. son, both said to me, why do you care? It's going to make your life better. Why do you care? And because in my mind, I was like, I'm 37. I shouldn't need a hearing aid. And I got one and it's life chain. I love it. I can, I texted my buddies and my dad and I go, man, the world is pretty loud. But it's great. I have, when I go to the established the taverns, I have what's called party mode. Hey.

And I keep saying what I should. It should be like a fog machine and like do do do do do do. But it's just like it's great. I love it, man. It's, it's life changing. And I've only forgotten it when I went to the ring once. And I've had to like give it to the rev. Here you go.

But it's life changing. Going back to 24 though, I had that entrance. And I just saw faces. And we had the whole thing with Bradshaw in that match. And it was such an awesome story. that I come to find out years later, it was supposed to be Finley and Vince at that WrestleMania.

Not only that, they were going to try to make it for a WWE title. Your two dads wrestling each other. Yes. Wow. It was supposed to be that. And I was like,

man, if it was against Vince, JBL match was enormous. Yeah. Build to it and everything. Yeah. It was against Vince. Can you imagine how much of that build would have been?

Like at that time. Yeah. But man, I'm very grateful. Whoa. that the match was so fun and JBL is just the man he's the absolute man

and he's been nothing but great with me there's a spot with a trash can in that match that wasn't talked about literally the last second I saved my own life by just going no he just whips this trash can because he saw me and he has him thinking on the fly and he whips the trash can I had no

idea of it it wasn't talked about but it's like the highlight of the match is that so that clip gets replayed all the time to this day all the time there's a really funny uh my son tells me about tictox i'm 37 again i'm not on ticot uh i call him facebook watches uh there's a really good compilation of me just getting the shit kicked out of me and that's that it's like marie slapping the hell out of me it's our truth shooting the t-shirt gun at me miz shooting a t-shirt gun at me getting kicked it's just like

but it's one of those things where i look back and go oh this was i didn't a lot of times where I just took bumps, but it's great. I'm very happy about all of it. You were the butt of a lot of jokes. It always made me laugh because it was like, oh, we don't have an answer. It's Hornswoggle. Like Vince's son. Anonymous raw gentleman. All of this stuff was like, oh, we don't have anything. Oh, it's just, it's Dylan. But I'm loving it. It was great. I, I, there was nothing. The only thing I didn't, there was two things I didn't care for. And the whole I'm being there. And it was like when May Young gave birth to me as like the New Year's baby, I remember that.

And then when they dressed me up as a cow, again, with Torito, it was like, those two, I was like, I can see the writing on the wall here, guys. I was at my heavy stage in my life. I can see the writing on the wall. But I wasn't about to go, nope. It was TV time, man. Yeah. Letting me live my dream.

The only thing I wanted to do since I was four years old was work for WWE and be on television. Yeah. Why would I say no? Why? So I can spend more time at home, not book, or in catering not book, or all that? Why would I say no? It's, again, my dad put it very, very well one time when I was at home for a year. A year straight I was home, not booked.

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You're saying it. And it's true, right? You could come out at any point and you'd have to maybe shave. Would you be okay with that? There's a story with this. Okay. I don't know this one. I don't know that many people.

Actually, I've never told this story. Okay. what was my first return was greatest row around yeah yeah yeah yeah i get word like two weeks before and first person i tell is my good friend in hawkins again he's hawkins he's not brian my son literally at the convention today kept calling him hawkins and it made me so happy their best first off their best friends and he tells him all it's the best uh he'll never be bryan my ears at my phone um i text And I go, hey, man, I book for this fucking greatest row rumble.

He goes, leprechauggyre still fit? I go, not a goddamn chance. Because what are you going to wear? I see my swaggle pants, my indie pants, because that's all that fits. He goes, what are you doing about a vest? I mean, had the vest tailor. Oh, shit. He goes, what about the hair?

I'm not cutting my hair. Because you're cutting your hair. I'm not cutting my hair, Brian. It's a one-off. I'm not doing it. Then he had, like, three or four other friends of ours. Text me and go, need to do this.

You need to cut your hair and dye it. They don't want long hair swoggle. They want horn swoggle that they know. And I was very mad about it. I was very mad. I did it. I cut my hair. I got it.

I got the trim. I bleached it. And it was a one-off, but it's like one of those things where he knew. That's what people wanted. Exactly what you said. Yeah.

They don't, yeah, you play the music. And they see a little guy in green with a beard. And it's one thing. but that made the character what it was. Yeah. Didn't do it for the women's around.

Because I knew it was going to be an eight-second spot under the ring. Not cutting my hair and bleaching it for that one. But, uh, man, it's, it's one of those things where, to this day on indie shows, my entrance music. I'm a huge Newfound Glory fan. Turn into buddies of mine. And I love Newfound Glory. Legit my favorite band of all time. What's your entrance name?

Hit or miss by Newfound. So when I got released. The needle on my. My record player has been wearing thin. Dugga, Dugga. Also, the only way I hear songs is Dugga Dugas. We just turned, we just talked about on this week's pod.

We're like, Ultimate Warriors is the only way to describe it, Dugget, Dugga, Dugga, Dugga, Dugga, Dugga, and, like, razors, everyone. That's so true. Yeah, because it's all just bass. All you hear is bass guitar. Duk, Dugged, Dugger, Chris, Man. It's so true.

But it's, man, it's really, So Newfound I was like when I got released I go man I need to come out to Newfound And I was like going through songs that came across hit or miss But then I was like I can't just have it be just that So I now do like the intro to my WW stuff into that It's a really fun thing because fans you know Horse Cave Kentucky where I've wrestled

It's the best I love it Because it's still real to them and it makes me happy A fan there here the hornswoggle music and they know it's me. But then I get to hear a song that I love to hear every day. I listen to every day. And it's like, okay,

it makes me happen. I love that song so much. That album was a formidable album for me. Yeah, and my son is a Newfound Glory fan. I took him to their shows twice now. And then to see that and to see his love of wrestling, this is the

grateful. I am more grateful for him than anything in my life. Anything. And it's so cliche and it's so like said by everyone that's apparent, everyone that is the best thing ever. But that, he really, really, I was a child at 22 years old. I was still a frat boy, a college frat boy that failed college. That was me. I was living the WWE rock star life.

and just throwing money around at home, like stupidly. He came and it's like, oh, man, I have a kid to pay for it. Oh, man. Now I have to actually be respectful and responsible and a decent human, not a great human,

a decent human. And it's one of those things where he's the best. He was at this convention all weekend. He's very tall. That was the reoccurring thing. I mean, was Hey man this is my son Lanert and they all go Well what is he like 6-1 or something

He was 5-11 last time we went to the doctor Which was probably six months ago But he's uh He is just He's as Hawkins he's shorter than him Hawkins was wearing Seamus style Lifts in his boots I'm pretty sure But it's one of those things man where he's the best

And he just he loves this He had so much fun He said to me so many times this weekend. This is fun. This is just fun. He gets to hang out with Brian. He has to see Ziggs.

That's the one. He gets to see people that he literally remembers meeting when he was like four or five. Now he gets to like see him as an adult and just like, he gets to hang out. And Brian,

that's the one, treats him as one of the gang. Cabana treats him as one of the game. And it's just, he loves it. He truly, truly loves it. And it's one of those things.

where man, I love being able to hang out with my kid when I'm working and like, I'm signing my fake name. He's hanging out with my kid. It doesn't get better than that. Do you think he wants to be a pro wrestler? No, he wants to be a pro wrestler. Is he going to train with Ken? I know he's going to train with me eventually. Hell yeah.

He's 14 now, and I keep telling him, you're not, I'm not allowing you to do it until you're 17. Our school doesn't allow it until you're 17. I'm not going to break the rules for him. It's not fair. His body isn't ready. I truly believe kids' bodies aren't ready until they're 17, 18 years old. It's not safe, I feel.

Others feel it differently, and that's okay. My belief, and as his parent, isn't, he's not ready. Now, does he go to our ring twice a week? Yeah, but he's not, and does he do stupid shit? Yeah, I don't go to watch him. He's with other students in mine. I'm not watching. Whatever he wants to do, he does on a crash pad, it's fine.

I did backyard wrestling. I can't hate on what he's doing. He's doing it in a real ring. I was doing it on mattresses and sheets in my backyard. I can relate. Yeah, but it's one of those things where he, up until like two months ago, where he finally told his mom and I,

he goes, I think a police officer would be really good too. And I go, I literally looked at her, I go, stop, don't see anything, don't change him, don't. I texted her after, I go, this is the first time he brought up something other than wrestling. thing. Wow. The very first time. He still wants to do this more than anything.

I've explained to him. The most important thing is this should be a backup plan to a real career. This is a very real career. But I got lucky. Everyone on that WWRaster got lucky. I tell him, I can't

you can be the best pro wrestler in the world. Doesn't mean WW will pick you up. Doesn't mean AEW pick you up. Doesn't mean anyone. if they're not looking to hire a certain thing, you're going to be into an independence, which is awesome. Yeah. There's not a career at this level.

There's not, unless you're a lucky one. So have it as a backup plan. Yeah. That's what I truly feel and I truly believe. And man, he's good. It sucks for me. It's so good. It's like, it's scary how good he is.

It really, really is scary. And he understands it. That's the scariest. part too. He gets what he's doing, why he's doing, and why things are working. It's our bomb. But it's awesome. Do you remember what the first match was that you showed him? The first one he

really sat down to watch, like together, when he was a little older, was Sean Taker 25. Oh, so good. He has the best match of all time. That's such a great match. You can take Ricky Steamboat and Macho Man. That might be third. Wow. And I love that match. Yeah. Taker, Sean, 25.

is the absolute best match of all time. I love Savage Steamboat. I like my favorites for Maine. It would probably be... It's HBK. Tager. And it's Warrior Hogan because it's my match. Sure, yeah.

What I got. It hooked me, man. And then it's the Savage Steamboat. But I think Savage Steamboat is also like tied with HBK Austin. But then you... But then you got Rock, Austin at 17, but I like 19 more. I like wrestling many 19 more than 17. As a whole or the match?

The match. Yeah. And no one talks about 19. Yeah. No one. I like it way more. I was talking about this with Sam Roberts recently. He's like, yeah, 17's Sam Roberts.

He's on Sirius X-N. He has a podcast, right? Yeah. You ever heard him? Yeah. You just started it? Ha! Ha!

Ha! Ha! I can't wait for that message. Sam Roberts? I think I thought. Yeah. He goes, 17's great. Everyone forgets the end of the match.

Yes. Austin turns here. It sucks. We just watched it. It sucks so much. In like the Deborah stuff, it's actually kind of weird. Everyone thinks 17 is so great because of the limp biscuit my way lead up. The impostle was three things in high school.

Three musics. Newfound glory. Nelly. And I was known in high school as the Limpfitton. Limbusket guy. Legitimately known as the Limpisket guy. I, my jeans as a little, as a teenage kid when they played that song with anything, my jeans were so tight.

Probably got to edit that out. I know. I'm talking about a teenager with tight jeans. Definitely staying in. Okay. The jeans could just be tight. They were just tight. Yeah.

But man, that and then they played at 19. That's why 19 so much better. So much better. The greatest band of all time, Tony Chimmo, was made to say, by friends. Durs, you can ask him about it. It's made to say the greatest band in the world, Limbiscuit. Fred Durst asked for that? Yes.

What? Oh, you're going to question that? Well, I'm just saying it. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, am I questioning if Limp Biscuit is the best band ever? Thank you. You wouldn't not question that. And if he does question it, it's out.

It's at that. It was so good. And I loved it. I think that's why I like 19 because they played live. It's funny when you see the memes of the photos online. The memes. The memes. Say that, my kid gets real pissed off.

Of Rock, Austin. Everyone just immediately thinks my way. Yeah, man. But it's like, no, they also wrestled at 15 and 19. I think 15 is my least favorite, for sure. I mean, but 15 was awesome. I think that's fair. 15 stands up to me because of no vest, because he forgot it because he was going through all the divorce stuff.

Austin was. He always talks about it. He's going through all the divorce stuff and he forgot his vest. So he just has his t-shirt. 17 as a whole, I think, is the best WrestleMania. You're out of your mind. You're out of your mind. Let me make a case for it.

TLC2. It's the only case you have. And Rock Austin. Sorry, we already talked about that. What's the best WrestleMania? 20. Okay. I love 20.

20 is fantastic. I love 20. I like 19. 20 is probably my favorite. 25 is incredible. 25's very good. What's the match from 20 that you're like, this is it? The redacted.

But at the angle, incredible. Yeah. Redacted. Come on. I was just talking to Landon. And I said, man, the other redacted three in a row where it's redacted against Shane redacted against Hogan

and redacted against Taker. Those are fun to watch. There's so many redacted names now. Yeah. I can't get canceled these days. I love my booking.

I understand. Redacted with my dad. Oh, he's redacted to, yeah, well, yeah. But there was Philly. I hate. I hate. Man. Remember one of Vince

your dad. He wasn't my dad. It was Philly the whole time. Yes. People forget this. Shouldn't. There's only one of this. That's right. People forget. That whole segment, that gets brought up all the time. I found out at 3.30 that afternoon. I remember you telling me the story. It's wild.

It's crazy. It's in front of my family. My family was in the building. It's Green Bay. At that, like, 45 minutes from my house. It's awesome. The way that Vince had everybody in the ring. And the Sandman wouldn't leave. everything they said, every clue they said. Sammy goes, ha ha, that's still okay with me.

So they had to like make one up on the fly. What? Which one did they make up on the fly? If you've been in ECW. He was there. Champion. He was ECW champion. That's right.

Yeah. And a current champion. He was ECW. And he's Caucasian. Caucasian. Can we talk about that? You can't, that's something, 2024. I don't know if there's a lot of that whole.

of that whole thing. It's like, that wasn't that long ago. No, that, that, 17 years ago it was. That clip gets replayed all the time.

If you're Caucasian, leave the ring. No, no, oh yeah. If you're, if you're, if you're not,

wait, if you should, if you're not Caucasian, leave the ring, yeah. Brutal, man. Well, it's,

times are changing. But, yeah. As I say all the time, I truly say all the time. It's another time. It's just another time in rest of attitude. another time in wrestling.

No, everyone, I love the attitude air, man. When I was, I was, that was my teenage fan base. No one talks about how like, non-PC the attitude arrow lives. Of course.

No one talks about it. You think it's because that there's such a love and like a nostalgia for it. You can grab water. It's okay. I'm good. Geez. I don't know what happened there.

Oh, grab a little sips. Oh, grab a little sipsky. He questioned it. You're not editing that out. If I don't get edited neither to CBV. Nothing gets entered in. But no one talks about, like, they did some crazy things. But everyone talks about it out of like a love.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, that's kind of how nostalgia works, though. It's out of love. 100%. Nostalgia in general, like, we look at things maybe better than they were. Like, while other. More okay.

Or even more okay. Yeah. Well, everyone, I mean, everyone talks about the great matches that happened during the attitude era. people don't talk about so much punch kick choke punch kick choke other guy punch kick choke finish finish kick out sweet crowd shot oh that was really good that's all that five star match there were no five star matches there were no five star matches in the attitude are according to i would like but i think it's nostalgia where we have such a love for it it's almost seen through what's it

rose-colored glass. Yes. But everyone's like, oh, the characters were so good. Yes, a lot of the characters were really good. Golga.

Golga was great. Naked Midian. Beaver cleavage. I saw him. He's great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. I love the attitude error for my nostalgia for it. Me too. But we cannot say it was like an incredible time of arrest. Yeah.

Until today, I will say today in wrestling rivals the attitude. First time ever. First time ever. I think the world was just in a different place. A girls gone wild was a thing that people embraced and thought was cool. But why are we okay with that? And not a few years later, we're, oh, man, they shouldn't have went after.

Like, that's what I don't get about wrestling. Yeah, it's an interesting thing, right? Like the way that pendulum swings, it's, it's, Yeah. Very interesting. I think it's all, like you said, I think it's all nostalgia and all like rose-colored glasses of.

It was so cool. So I made a video about this recently. There's these two forces in wrestling that are butted up right against each other, two very powerful forces. Nostalgia and recency bias, right? Nostalgia, you remember a time and a place because it made you feel a certain way.

Recency bias is like, I just saw this thing last week, like the rocks rubbing Cody wrote blood on the weight belt. Like, how can it possibly be any cooler? Here's a thing. Why did people want blood? I truly feel it's not because of attitude error.

It's because we were told online. Absolutely no blood. No blood anymore. All these sponsors don't want blood, this, that, the other thing. So when they got it, it's like, the fucking attitude they're wrong. No, it's not. They're just doing it. They're just doing it.

They're not going back to the man. We need to go to 96. We need to do 96 all over. No. Yeah. Who knows? If we ever see it again, I don't think we're going to see it weekly like we did in the attitude era.

But it's cool, man. And I truly feel like everything is compared. Why can't we as wrestling fans, including myself, because I still finding myself doing it, I'm a wrestling fan. Like we all are. Why can't we as wrestling fans just enjoy wrestling? That is the million dollar question. Why do we have to always compare

to even last week, to the week before, to all of this? And I think it's because of Twitter algorithm, I think it's because of the Twitter timelines. I think it's that. But that's this day and age. I truly feel that's this day in age too. I tell the students of mine, I said from

Royal Rumble to WrestleMania, I don't want to hear you guys go, oh man, that was kind of, no, this is the best time of wrestling in the year. From Rumble to Mania is the time where you need to step back. Forget that you know things.

But like, and just enjoy wrestling. Let yourself enjoy wrestling. WrestleMania, I fly home every year, every year from RussellCon. I fly home to watch it with my son. We sit together on the couch and we enjoy it. Just enjoy wrestling. Why did I want to do this? Why am I still signing my fake name?

because I watched wrestling. That's why. Why aren't we doing this anymore? That's the big question is why can't we just enjoy it? Because we have to bitch. Yeah. In 2024, we want a bitch.

As a society, as a society, we want a bitch. Yeah, I mean, everybody has a voice, which is both a good thing and a bad thing. It's great.

Yeah. Podcast. We wouldn't have these. If we weren't allowed to have a voice, we wouldn't be able to do what we do. Absolutely. But I just, I hate picking apart and not being able to enjoy it. Because guess what?

99% of us don't know what's happening. Yeah. We don't know. Like, why can't we just, if we didn't enjoy it as much, why can't we take a step back and go, oh, let's see what they do next week? This isn't exclusive to wrestling, right? Like this, if you're a massive. We see it because we're in this world.

Yeah. But if you're a massive Packers fan, Browns fan, Giants fan, whatever, your team or sport is. Monday morning quarterback. Of course. And you're sitting there going during the game, why'd they call that play on third and ten? Oh!

I love going to the tavern to watch Packer games because of that. Because I now just go, man, you should be the coach. Why aren't you getting paid? And they go, I'm like, fuck off. Come on.

But it's just like, I still enjoy wrestling. I feel like it's almost like this, Like there's like a, there's a level that some people get where it's like you just get to a point where you just can enjoy it. It doesn't happen for everybody. You should. Yeah.

Should let yourself be able to enjoy it. I love it, man. Yeah. I still love it. And I don't think I'm ever going to not love it. I truly believe I'm not going to ever not love it. I should have hated it when I got released. Was there ever a time you didn't love it?

Yeah. When I was unbooked with WWE and sitting home, I was like, I was bitter. I was like, I was still pitching stuff weekly. Were you even watching it? Or did it get to a point where you were like, I'm so angry. No, I was still watching it.

Okay. I think out of like spite, very unhealthy things, I think out of spite. I was like, I should be on this show. That sucked it. Again, same as today's fans. That sucked.

They should be doing something else. But I don't think, ever again, I'll ever not be a wrestling fan. Especially with my son now, man. We love it. We watch everything. Literally, we love wrestling. We love it. It's just fun. It's our bond. It's like, I don't know sports.

Shocking, I wasn't a sport player growing up. I didn't have the body for it. Yet you are a professional athlete. Loosely. I can bite a good ass. I can't shoot a free throw. But it's one of those things, man, where I truly like if I

again if I if I if I stop enjoying wrestling I need to back out my ego's too big

I think I'm above it mm-hmm that's all it is what did the pitch look like when they told you you were going to work with great collie

I think it was just a random hey you weren't booked we're going to do this God damn it can you imagine them two next to each other and then Natalia right

misfits look at it goddamn freak show I loved it I was on TV it's great Cali was like he was a buddy of mine

turned into like an overtime he was my first riding pardon it's me Davari Calli and Mark Henry wow what a car

what a car all four of you at the same time what a car yeah who drove Davari okay

Devari drove I'm guessing he had this shot got gun me sitting behind Kali I don't need legroom and then Mark Henry behind DeVari

Mark Henry would fall asleep Collie liked smoking cars pissed all of us off but we're not going to tell a giant he was in the longest yard again favorite movie of mine because Nellie was in it uh

we're not going to tell him no but like Mark Henry would smoke or Cali would smoke and Mark Henry would and smell it. God damn put it out let's say. Fuck fire up and at them two we would I would like

as I did with a few, a good amount of locker rooms, I like to poke the bear. I like to maybe start the fight and the argument, and then I would just leave. Love it. I'm just be happy. I'm called the Cartman of group chats. I literally just enter, get people going,

then I won't respond for a couple hours. I love it. That's great. It makes my dick. But it's just, I loved Charlie, man. I still do. He's the best. He didn't need to do it.

He had an acting crew. didn't need to do it. It's the best. Who else did you ride with? My longest riding partners were Kofi and Hawkins. Long as we all, we call ourselves, Kofi and I always call ourselves Team Dad.

And it was really funny because Hawkins didn't have his children at the time. So Kofi and I would like, we'd sit at Denny's, we'd order, and then Kofi and I would just get up, call our kids. Hawkins is like, you assholes, you're leaving me at a table by myself. Like, no one to talk to. I got nothing to do. So we just teamed down.

dad. And then when Hawkins and his wife found out they were having a baby, he texted us. He goes, hey guys, just want to ask if I'm going to be part of team dad. And it was like, wow, oh man. And it was a really, really cool moment. And like, now seeing all three of us as dads, I just went to Smackdown with Landon a couple weeks ago. And one of the first people we ran into was Kofi. And he goes, the same reaction is all day today. Holy shit. What? Jeez, O Pete,

like very Wisconsin thing, Gizel Pete. Gizel Pete. Jiz O Pete. Yeah. But it's, so seeing all

Hawkins' kids, I see him all the time when I'm all by him and Kofi's kids. It's just like, would have thought. Not me. I would never thought

I would have a kid. Literally in my whole life. Never married, never kid. Rocks their life my whole life. It's the great thing. You got a WrestleMania any a moment with Kofi?

Yeah, that's son of a bitch. My best friend, literally my best friend in wrestling, him and Brian, my two best friends in wrestling. We plan the spot for WrestleMania 29 where I'm going to have a big, everyone's doing dives, dives, dives, dives, dives, dives, dives, dives. Zach does a pretty shitty dive. But dive, dives, that. And then I'm going to do a dive.

Art Truth and Kofi are going to lift me to the top rope, and I'm going to jump. So I need to hold their hands to hang on to the top rope, though. our truth I knew and was buddies with but not like Kofi they get me to the top rope and Kofi's not holding on he lets go and I go on the DVD

in the video you can hear me go hand hand hand and I go fuck it and I just jump I get to the back and I go you son of a bitch he goes what I literally just let go of me I could have fallen back into the ring or on the rope whatever he was no I didn't

I said oh really I said let's watch tomorrow on TV he watched it he goes probably just lost grip. And it's Kofi is a king of excuses with his buddies, like sarcastic excuses. It's one of those things where you can literally hear me and see me yelling at him, hand, hand, hand.

Just not there, so I just had to jump. Yeah, he's, he's just a buddy of mine. I love him. I truly love that guy. If I say about him, and I don't say about many, I say it about him, if you have a problem with Kofi, there's something wrong with you. Wow.

He is such a genuine human being. There's no, like, if you have an issue, it's your fault. I've never heard someone say a negative word about that guy. It's just the greatest human ever. How did you feel when he won the championship? Talked about it. It hit the dirt sheets a couple of weeks ago. I was watching with my son, and it literally, like, weld me out

because it was one of the most awesome builds. he was a guy that it wasn't like he even shouldn't have made it to that level, but you never thought he would. He should have. Yeah, for sure, should. He's so talented. And always gets a great reaction. Always did everything they asked, everything they asked.

That promo just popped up on my timeline the other day. The New Day promo was redacted. And they're like laying it all out there. It was like heartfelt today. And I was like, man, that night when he won, it's like, it's the most, I truly feel it's the most heartfelt moment of any WrestleMania ever, any WrestleMania of all time. That's where fans can really take it and go, this is special. And this means something. Yeah.

Wins and losses at WrestleMania can be cool and they can get a reaction. That one meant something for the very first time I feel. Yeah. I don't know if it would be touched for such a heartfelt, wholesome moment. Yeah. I don't know what else happened on that show. 35? Yeah.

That was WrestleMania 35? Sure. No, it wasn't? We're at 30. No, it's not 37 this year. It's 40. Oh, my God. It's 40.

I was like, it's that two years ago. I can give you some 35. It was Triple H and Batista. It was Kurt Angles retirement. Oh, with the nose thing. With the nose ring? Yeah. It trips when he walks into the ring.

Who does? Batista does. Batista. Was it blue Tista? Bluista. Yeah. Kurt Angles retirement match against Baron. Yeah.

And the match or the whole WrestleMania was about 17 hours long. Yeah, that's a long one. It was the last year. Was it the last one day? And then the next year was no fans. So they were like, let's make this a two-night event.

That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the scariest moment you ever had in the ring? We all see. Truly, we'll see. Going into it, it's the most talk to a match I've ever done.

I will never top it. I would never do anything cooler. I have never done anything cooler than that match. It was scary because it was in New Jersey, who behind Chicago is the most, like, heel crowd, wanting to get themselves over a crowd. I can say it. I don't get a shit anymore.

But it was like, I didn't know how they would react. These two midgets won a bull, a midget bull and a midget rock star, going into a match on the pre-show. The first thing that crowd sees that night with many ladders and many tables, many chairs, many commentary, many announcer, I didn't know how they'd react. I thought they were going to boo the shit out of them. I really did.

I remember being backstage in my heart knowing we're going to kill it. In my mind going, if they start booing, we're done. We're done. The coolest moment of my life, match in my life, going into it is going to be the worst thing ever. and I never thought it would hold up like it has. I never thought it would be such a, not even a talk about thing, but like, it's a memorable thing for sure.

A shove up the ass moment, I'll say. To the fans there, guarantee the locker room didn't take it seriously. Shove it up their ass. It's the only one I remember, the standing ovation, and the gorilla I get to the gorilla, and everyone is on their feet clapping for.

us. Wow. One of those moments I was like, okay, it was pretty awesome. And then I remember being in my gear literally to like two matches left and Torito is leaving. He goes, you okay? I said, I'm okay. Why aren't you changing?

I go on. Still in the moment, man. Wow. All right. See you tomorrow. That means that when people were watching the Singarilla, there was a moment where people were hitting people going, yeah. This is actually pretty good. That's what I wish I would see of not this is good, this is actually, there's a big difference.

Big difference between this is good and this is actually, and this is actually where we shoved it up that one with us. And that makes me so happy. I love that so much. I've lived my life that way. I truly have lived my life like, and not like the bullshit of, I'm going to do what you tell me. I can't, no, I'm just going to prove you wrong to make myself happy.

Tell me no. and I'm going to try it. If it fails, it fails. I'm okay with that. But I kind of try it. Yeah. I got to try it to at least go, hey, I tried that. I am a believer, a firm believer, and take the picture.

I've spread it around to people now. Take the picture. Ultimate worry, when I took that picture, I guarantee it's one of the last five pictures he ever took in his life. Wow. If I didn't take the picture, if I didn't storming, to gorilla, and literally going up to him, I would never have gotten a picture with my childhood hero. Never have happened. Always take the picture. I have photos with guys that have passed on now that I go,

oh my God, that's, I got it. I took photos with my son at the convention today. I don't know if he's going to ever be into it. He might lose interest in wrestling next year, but I have this. Yeah. I have, like, so many things, so many photos were of him. It's like, I have to. I have to do it because I don't know what's going to happen to me. I could walk and get hit by a car, man. Done. But I have a awesome member of that.

And even if my son doesn't give a shit about wrestling in 20 years, still pretty awesome. Yeah. I always, I take the picture. You're not, and I hate, I hate the mindset of, you know, being a mark. We all are because that's why we do

this. Like I said earlier, if we weren't fans or marks, we wouldn't be doing this. And guess what? If you didn't take a photo and I guarantee that person has passed on unfortunately and you go, man, I wish I had that photo to

post on social media and join everyone because that's what we do. I mean, you don't have. And that's why, man, I always do. I always do. It's with my friends. It's with people I've never met. You know, other stars that I've never met.

It's with legends. I always take the phone all. Always. I don't know when this is going to stop. I don't know when my body is just going to say, Dylan, stop. You have to stop. It already does. My body sucks right now.

It says stop every day. What part of your body says stop? From here down, it says stop. I have no feeling in my feet. My legs are pretty much dead. What? What? I'm good.

I'm good. I'm good from here up. What can we do to fix this? Nothing. I had another back surgery that I had two back surgeries about three years ago. One to try to fix the problem. The other to try to fix that one. We're good.

I'm good. I truly am okay. But my body tells me you need to stop. My mind tells me you need to stop. The ego in me. And I fully admit it, it's a full ego. All ego told me it's my ego. and I love that guy.

Yeah. Best. A heartfelt moment right there. It's a how he put it. People love Hornswoggle. You need to love Dylan from Ashkosh. And that's

when this stops. All of this and signing my fake name, I'm Dylan from Ashkench. I've always been Dylan from Ashgresh. I have the mindset of Dylan from Ashgash, but I still love Hornswoggle. I still love being able to sign my fake thing. Yeah.

I need to have a time where, okay, let's go back to being Dylan. I don't know if that will ever happen. The fact that you're even saying that right now and that you're self-aware enough. Oh, I know there's a full difference. That means you're there. Yeah, but I don't want to be there.

I don't want to take that stuff. And that's what's scary. That's what's scary. No one does. I'm ready for the 9 to 5. I know the 9 to 5 is happening. I know the 9 to 5 is going to happen. I'm not ready for it.

I'm okay with it when it happens. I ain't ready for it. What do you want to do? Target. I love working at Target. Target is my happy place. I love Target. I'm ready to put on the red and khaki's again.

I'm ready, man. But it's like... Is there a Target and Ashgosh? Fuck yeah. There it is. It's a booming metropolis. Thank you. Tyrese Halliburton with the Pacers.

Indiana Pacers. I don't know anything about basketball. I just know him. He's from Ashkosh. I literally DMed him the other day. I said, you're really taking off my... This Ashkosh Kred for me.

I'm not happy about it. He's a awesome dude. He's a huge wrestling fan. Wrestling fanatic. He was at one of the press conferences a couple of paper views ago. It's awesome. And he's a huge wrestling thing.

He's one of the biggest stars in basketball right now. But he does so much for Ashkosh. And it's like, good to see, because I've always done. on every, I've said it to you and I've said it to everyone, every interview I've ever done. I've always mentioned Aska. Everyone, because it's my home.

It's my heart. It's literally my heart. It's where I'm from. This has been so fun, man. Grateful, man. We're getting to that. Grateful. I'm grateful for you.

I love how you bring it. You have the most infectious laugh. It's the best thing. This, uh, things like this. working with you seeing your rise seeing Sam Roberts rise legitimately I love that man

who I think he's a show I think that bust is he is he still do like the comedy shit I don't know but serious he's unsirious he's not taking himself serious she probably should

it's sweet hair this hair looks way better now though he doesn't happen that's why it looks better love you Sam no it doesn't bullshiting Seeing your guys' rise. I've told you this in private.

I've told him this in private. Seeing your guys' rise makes me happy. Because you guys went from like we all are, fans doing pickup podcasts. Let's be honest. They're pickup podcasts. I'm just trying to make our name for ourselves, doing radio.

Sam was doing radio and all of this. And we're just fans. And now you're taking a goddamn chance. on yourself, you're betting on yourself, and you seeing this just fucking blow up. Now you're welcome to these events and these media things. Sam is working on the

goddamn network. I still call it a network because to me it is. It sucks now, but it's, I love it because it's still a network. Peacock, add chapters again. Put chapters back, please. Stuff like that. Stop with the season. Just WrestleMania 37. It's not the 37th season of WrestleMania.

But seeing you're going, Guys's rise is so cool to me because it's like you guys have been so good to me. You guys have been awesome to me and we've always been buddies. You've never been one to like clickbait bullshit me and that makes me happy where it's never been out for like, oh man, we got a good thing here. We got a good scoop. It's never been that man. It just makes me happy to see your guys rise and to see that really is awesome to me. So it's, I appreciate that. I love doing.

You guys, I love doing these. And I like seeing good people should be being treated well. That means a lot coming from you. So thank you. You sent me that message the other day about the John Cien interview. That one was life changing of a watch. I texted him and then I texted you. Wow.

I said, where on my son. I texted him and then I texted you. Thank you. And I said to him, I said, you are made for these. He's the man. Yeah. Isn't he just the fucking man? They really is.

I, every time, I've interviewed him a bunch of times. Every time I leave, I leave going, I got to be a better person. Like, he's so nice and kind. The Bad Friends podcast, which I'm a huge fan of. Yeah. I'm a huge fanatic. Andrew Santino, give me that followback. I'm just a fan of those two guys in that podcast.

And he was on them. He just, he's such a good riffer. Yeah. He's such a good riffer. And he, uh, he was the first person to call me when Lanna was born. 3.30 a.m. I sent the text at like, headed to him. It was like two or three in the morning.

He called me after a checkup. He goes, hey man, everything good. I mean, he's great. He goes, congratulations. Wow. He's always been such a, a good friend of mine. Seeing him do what he's doing now is incredible. Yeah.

He fit. Every time he does like a late night show, I just say you fit in. Yeah. You're not a guest. Yeah. You're a buddy of the show. That's what it is. So, but watching, going back to that, watching that, uh, that interview did was very like,

you saw a different side of him. And you saw like, in his heart fell, it was two buddies hanging out. He was so open too. Like him and Howard Stern, I've been a stern. Oh, Stern's so good. Hearing him on Stern was a different hymn that I've ever heard. I, I did an interview with him for the very first time. when he had that show true grit or American grit.

American grit. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, hey, man, like, where'd you hide the ring at WrestleMania 33? This was like right after the engagement. He's like, that's what I'm going to, yeah, I'm just going to keep that to myself. And it's like, what? Like, it's not even like, it's a secret question. And here we are years later. And I'm asking him, like, in-depth things. And he's like, give me full answers. Like, what a different place of his life he's at. And he's great about not talking over people, something I'm not great at. I've realized with my podcast going possible. You can find it on YouTube.com

slash Dylan Postal. You can find it everywhere. You find your favorite podcast, ApplePod, Spotify pod, probably Google. Yeah, Google's actually going away this weekend. Yeah. Thank you. That's going to shock a lot of people.

Google Podcast is going away. Okay. Yeah. That's all. That's everywhere else. Yeah, everywhere else. On Pod Bay and streamcast. Player.fm.

But I realize I'm horrible. that talking over people because I always have something here. And because I know how bad my memory is, I want to go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't forget my memory is going really quickly. And I don't know why. It's just how I am. I need to get on that bio brain or whatever.

Conrad Thompson talks about it all the time. It's some brain thing. I'm going to try, but whatever. Your guys' interview was incredible. I truly knew that. And as soon as I got done watching, I had to message him and I had to message you. Head killed it. I didn't go into that with the intention to say this is my favorite interview,

but we got towards the end and I'm just like, it was almost like an out-of-body experience. I'm like, this is way better than I could have ever imagined. Yeah, he's the best. And he texted me when he left. And he's like, I couldn't think of a better way to end my day. And I'm like, you didn't need, you didn't need to say that. You didn't even need to do this interview with me. No, and he didn't need to reach out. He didn't need to take the time. And he didn't need to say that. He could have just said, hey man, thanks. Yep. And then shook my hand and then left and I wouldn't have seen him for another year.

But even the message could have just said, hey, bud, good time. Yeah. Couldn't have thought of a better way to end my day. Thank you. It's like, no, no, no. Thank you, John Cena. I always call him John Cena just to pop myself. Or I just go to my buddy, to my paled back home.

You know my friend John. You know him. Might have heard of. Just to get like that shit eating. You know, like, they just, just to get, same as the six mania, you know, six mania dill here. Just to like get, whenever I hear, oh, from my friends back home, it makes me happy. Because, again, not taking myself seriously. They know I don't.

They know I don't take myself like that. They don't, I don't leave myself that way. And so whenever I just say to pop myself, that reaction on them, makes me happy. So again, thank you for this. Hell yeah. You're the best. Easy. Not.

Pretty decent, as I say. You've listed a bunch of things, but what are three things that you're grateful for? A kid, uh, that's all I got to say. Legit. Like, a kid, he's at 14 way better of a human than I will ever be in my life. My dad, who is way better of a human than any human I've ever met in my life. Everyone goes, it's like the Kofi thing, to be honest. I say if you've ever been upset,

Eric Postel or with Eric Postel, you're a fucking asshole. And when I bring guests in for Water City Wrestling Con, our big events in that for ACW, Wisconsin, it's that they go, my dad does all the running. Airport runs, hotel runs, everything. I always get a text. Your dad is the greatest.

Oh, wow. Your dad is the best. And he... As a grown man, isn't that the greatest compliment? When I get about my dad, about my son, it's like, fuck, I must be a piece of shit. But he's just, and life lessons that he's given me.

Usually about money. Hey, stop spending. What's the stupidest thing you bought? Holy shit. I paid for my own 21st birthday. I threw myself a 21st birthday and spent probably $10,000 on booze. Wow. And there were only six people there.

Legitimately. there weren't many of us. And I was just buying bottles and bottles and bottles and bottles and bottles because I thought that was the cool thing to do. Vegas? Working for WWE. I was like, I have to do it. Was it in Vegas? No, it was in fucking Ashkosh, Wisconsin.

What's a bottle cost at a bar in Oshkoshkosh? I can't think now. I don't remember. A lot of bottles, though. But probably that or like my Muppets collection. I love it. And he loves it now because he knows I'm such a fanatic.

But he just, whenever I had would show up at the doorstep because he always, when I'm gone, I live three minutes from him. He brings in my packages. And he goes, more boys. Yeah, more toys. Uh, grateful for my son, grateful for my dad. Grateful, uh, that people give a shit about me signing my fake name. As crazy as that is to think about and like say, I always like laugh. I go, I'm signing my fake name. Yeah. It's pretty fucking awesome. And I can still do that.

I haven't been with the company how long? 2016 to it's now 2024. It's, you know, it's not one year. It's not 10. It's eight. That's age. Thank you. But like eight years later, man.

But like eight years later, man. People give a shit. Yeah. People give a shit. I truly am. That's like in a nutshell. I'm happy people give a shit. They're never going to stop.

Uh-huh. Yeah. I appreciate it. Thanks, man. Thank you. The best. Just the best. I love his appreciation for life and the opportunities that he's had.

And the way that he tells stories, it just makes you feel like you're there. Like, did you not feel like you were in the room at WrestleMania 23 as they were going through the moves and figuring out, oh, my goodness. Mr. Kennedy's going to give me his finisher off the ladder. Did you not feel like you were there? Just the way he tells stories is so good. Snap a screenshot. Let us know that you are listening to this episode and share this with someone who loved Hornswagel

when he was in WWE. Tag us online so we can share it as well. He's at Dylan Postel. I'm at Chris Van Fleet. And I heard this quote when I was back with my wife's family and friends in New Jersey. And it's like a preschool quote, but it has stuck with me since I heard it. It's stuck with me the last few days.

And it feels so applicable to pro wrestling and pro wrestling fandom. Don't yuck other people's yums. Don't yuck other people's yums. Like what you like, right? Let other people like what they like too. And we have this thing in society, especially on social media where it's like, oh, you like that thing? Oh, wow.

I used to like you, but then I found out you like those three letters. I like to watch these three letters when it comes to wrestling instead of those three letters. Don't yuck other people's yums. If somebody else likes something and maybe you don't understand it or it's different from what you like, that's okay. That's what makes the world go round. And that one's really stuck with me. And I think that's one that's going to stick with me for a long time.

So that one sticks with you as well. as simple as it is. Man, that is so powerful. Be great and be grateful. We will see you on the next one for some more insight. And we've got Ivar on the show on Thursday. We will see you then. Jim Rome takes on sports.

Why? Because I have a job to do. With rapid fire takes. So I don't want to hear from you lava pigs on this notion today. No idea what you're talking about. You're complaining more than you like to breathe air. It's like you get up in the morning only to complain and cry and moan on social media about things that you don't even understand. He's the spitfire of sports smack. Take advantage of it, but get up in here.

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