Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Jack Evans Says He Got "Lazy" In AEW, Understands Why His Contract Wasn't Renewed, What's Next For Him

Episode Date: May 12, 2022

Jack Evans (@jackevans711) is a professional wrestler who has worked for AEW, Lucha Underground, TNA Impact Wrestling, CZW and several other promotions. He joins Chris Van Vliet to talk about AEW not renewing his contract, why he says he got "lazy" and "plump" during his time in AEW, his tag team partner from TH2 Angelico, his favorite matches, the YouTube video series called "How Isn't Jack Evans Dead", his AEW Dark match with Kenny Omega, the botches he has had in his career, what's next for him and much more! For more information about Chris and INSIGHT go to: https://chrisvanvliet.com If you enjoyed this episode, could I ask you to please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcast/iTunes? It takes less than a minute and makes a huge difference in helping to spread the word about the show and also to convince some hard-to-get guests. Follow CVV on social media: Instagram: instagram.com/ChrisVanVliet Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisVanVliet Facebook: facebook.com/ChrisVanVliet YouTube: youtube.com/ChrisVanVliet CVV CLIPS: youtube.com/CVVCLIPS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All systems are gathered. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris. All right, my friends, welcome back to another audio adventure here on Insight. It's your boy, CVV, Chris Famfleet. Thank you so much for being back with us on this one. And we're taking a trip to Mexico for this episode. Jack Evans actually lives in Mexico City, but he was kind enough to do this while he was on vacation in a different part of Mexico with his family. So he brought us along for this one.

And the news came out recently that AEW wouldn't be renewing his contract, and he tells me here he gets it. He understands. And I got to say, the tag team TH2 has a special place for me. Because if you remember, the very first episode of AEW Dynamite, TH2 was in the segment that I was also in with Kevin Smith, Jason Mews, and private parties. So we go way back on this one. I should point out that Jack Evans tag team partner and Helicoe did have his contract with AEW renewed. Hey, could you do me a favor? Click follow or subscribe wherever you're listening to this right now.

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I just appreciate how open and honest Jack Evans is here about his career as a whole, his time in AW. And what's next for him? So, ladies and gentlemen, Jack Evans. Jack, it's been way too long. Good to see you, my friend. Good to see you as well. How's it going? Things are great.

What a fun shirt. I feel like next time I should come more appropriately dressed. Actually, this is one of Ethan Paine. shirts that he wore and everybody in the back wanted it. I forget what I bribed him with. It was something, but everyone in June, he always wears those shirts once on TV and then gets rid of them. And like this was the most prize on all the shirts.

And I can't remember what I bribed him with, but it was something. And he gave it to me. So I call it the shirt of slickness. Just like, who is slick? Did you bribe him with money or did you bribe him with like, hey, I'll buy you dinner? I actually think that I kind of guilt-tripped him into it. it and started crap talking everyone else about how they didn't deserve it. I can't remember what it was.

It was like a year ago now. But if you look, they're back at one of the Dynamites, he's wearing a shirt. And instead of having it thrown in the garbage, I yank that right off of due to guilt. Or it might have been like chips or something stupid, honestly. Wow. Chim that you got for free in catering. I like it. Yeah, 100%.

Where are we finding you right now? Right now I'm in Alcapulco with the family visiting the mother-in-law. So, yeah. You're wearing the wristband here. Are you at like a resort? It's called the Imperial Hotel. And like it's resort-ish. I want to call it like a hard rock level of resort or whatever,

but it's pretty nice except for the internet. So I apologize again ahead and time. The internet has that all. That's the one of the problem. I think if you don't move from where you're sitting right now, the internet is beautiful. So I think we're making this work right now. All right.

You know, the most recent news that came out about you is that A. not renewing your contract. And I love the tweet that you put out. Because it was like, you really took the high road and you were like, it was just full of gratitude. Like, thank you for the opportunity. Like, thank you for everything that happened there. Well, yeah.

And it's one of those things where I don't actually have like any of these bad experiences or anything. And like I said in a fallout tree to it, I don't want to diss myself, but I kind of understand where they were coming from. I don't actually feel that I was really, giving added value to the company. So, like, it's just one of the things, you know, obviously,

really being on that AEW salary contract on TV and everything is awesome. But it wasn't a bitter breakup or anything by any stretch of the imagination. And I understood where there it comes from. It wasn't like something out of left field. So. Well, and they let you ride out until the end of your contract, which was really, which we haven't seen on TV in a long time. No, not all.

I've been a darkness writer. I've been on that dark forever. But one thing that I really want to actually put AEW over for is waiting your whole contract and not like just, okay, we decided we don't want this guy anymore, dump him next week or whatever. So like I started actually this huge, I didn't want to get involved because those Twitter fights just are eternal. But it started this huge Twitter fight and I'm like, I really feel like that's the way to handle it. Like, I don't know. Well, I mean, you're right. You got, you had three solid years there, which I think a lot of people in other

companies, and we're not going to specifically name any other companies, but other companies, you might sign a three-year deal and you might only be there for a few months. Yeah, 100%. So I really like that they honor the length that they told you they were going to give you, you know what I mean? So I feel like, like, if we go way back, you're like you, you and I have history. in AEW, like we're a little bit of part of history, the very first episode of dynamite. You and I and Helico shared a segment with Kevin Smith and Jason News.

Yeah, like, it's crazy to think back about that. Like, we were planning that whole segment together. TH2, like, had a lot of, like, momentum in that first year of AEW. Do you feel like there was something specifically that happened that, like, caused it to go away? I actually do my job, man. I feel like for that first year, the run actually started out good and we kind of had a little place of like a, like, semi-comedic tag team, you know what I mean? Not like straight comedy or whatever, but like we're doing stuff with like Kevin Smith and then that's like a, and we just had a place. And then there was the Mexican border.

So me and Henleyka were both stuck south of Mexico, got closed for the COVID restrictions. And we had this four months layoff. And then I came back, had one match. And then in practice, before match, I actually got my face broken again. And then I had another month and a half or two-month layoff. And I feel like after that, I never, like, came back, like, to full full. Like, I really feel like I deteriorated. Like, I, there's some, I can't even blame it on ring rust.

I don't know what happened. But I just, I feel like after that, I never came back. We never had the same momentum. But it wasn't one of those things where, like, I felt like I was wrestling good and the momentum just didn't get started. Like I felt like I was really, that had deteriorated in the rain. And, like, it sounds weird,

but it started giving me, like, these self-confidence problems because, like, anyone that knows me that's been in the locker room, it was like, I'm so nervous for my matches. Like, I dry heat on those annoying guy in the locker room, you've ever seen. But then once I step through those curtains, like, 100% confident, even cocky or whatever. But it was like this thing, I'd go through the curtain,

and I'd still be nervous as hell. and like so yeah there was just after that COVID layoff in the face break the layoff on the face break I just feel like on a personal level like I just never came back to being able to wrestle like me both like character wise like in ring skill why like anything like that so and uh then also and this what happened on me old is that salary contract I feel like made me a bit soft because like there was even a little while where like I got a little bit like plump like I don't know what the nice way to put it or whatever and like so I just kind of fell off after that layoff and I feel like I only really started getting back on the ball like towards the end and by then I think the company had kind of already

made up its mind on me or whatever because like yeah I did get just kind of like not lazy in the ring necessarily but I wasn't as good in the ring and I was very lazy outside of the ring and so like it all started with that original COVID layoffs and face break playoffs. It's so interesting in hearing you that your detriment was being assigned to a three-year contract because I'm guessing that this is probably the first time in your career that you had like guaranteed money for three solid years. Yeah, even like other times would be kind of guaranteed money like on Lusha Underground. It was only when they started taping and they would always delay tapings or da-da-da-da.

But to like just every week know that a check's coming. like it was great in one way but like I literally like I don't want to say it made me well yeah just kind of made like like it like I just it made me soft like it totally no fire or nothing like I just I wasn't going down and doing the lute for training I wasn't you know being like I used to always at least like you know like practice a little bit of something just to keep up on my skills or anything and I didn't like I went through like you eight or nine months of just like really nothing. The only exercise I would get would be whatever else in the ring.

And I really do think that it was my fault for just getting too. Okay, you're back. Oh, no, but did we lose that whole answer? No, we lost about the last maybe 30 seconds of that answer. Okay, well, I'm having Internet issues right now. So, no, we're watching this. A little recap, basically, after I started getting that salaried money, I turned a bit lazy and I feel it was bad for me and kind of help speed along a in-ring deterioration.

Well, what's interesting I think about it is that it was like in-Holico got re-signed. So it's like TH2 didn't get re-signed, like I guess as a unit, but the helico got resigned. So they were looking at you guys as two separate entities, I guess. Yeah, I think, again, like at first they weren't. Like you said, that first year, I think they were pretty happy with us. And we were like committed heels. We weren't at the type to go up to the office. I'm like, oh, we want this, that, that, that.

We were like, well, I call us 9 to 5 wrestlers. That's not taking a 95 job. But we would just show up, find out what we had to do, go to the locker room, mess around, we had to do, you know what I mean? So there's like zero politics and everything for us. And our in-ring performance and what they wanted. it out of us, you know, it matched that and it was fine. But then after that, I think they kind of started looking mean and Helico different because, like I said, like I got pulled, like I just got

out of shape and like I just wasn't on the ball at all. And Helico never really fell off. Like, he kept steady with, you know, Enhelico being in Helico. So I think that that's when they started to view us as two separate entities. It's like, oh, man, Jack, kind of a lazy bum. And and the helico's still doing this thing. Like, we gotta trim the fat. You know what I mean? But to have the self-awareness right now to say, you know what,

I did get complacent and I did get lazy. Like, I don't think a lot of people would do that. I think a lot of people would try to point fingers rather than pointing them in the back of themselves. Yeah, I definitely think that's true. But I just always feel that you've got to be realistic, like with yourself or else whatever problems it was, wasn't or isn't going to get solved.

And the other thing is, like I said, because I'm such a 9 to 5 wrestler, I don't really have anyone else to blame because like, except for one incident with 10 where I busted open his lip, which I apologize to help for, but like I have no heat with anyone. There was no like, that I know of anyway,

there's no like anyone politicking against me. So I don't, I'd have to really like stretch it to like oh it was Chris Harrington you know what I mean I was in what what you're talking about like you know what I mean so like I think part of the self-awareness is just that I don't have another option of anyone

to blame because I'm just not me me deep in the politics like so like Jack if you're getting released and then hell it goes not you like you both we're always together we always are in the same meetings we talk to the same people

like who you're going to blame like you know what I mean like it's kind of obvious who the culprit is or whatever we want to call it. It seemed like during the heart of the pandemic in 2020, the international wrestlers had a really tough time because of all restrictions with everything. Had you been in the U.S., do you feel like you would have been used more? Yeah, but I don't think in the end that would have changed anything. I think in the end, it really just came down to me having an extended period of laziness.

So like yeah, during those four months or whatever, I probably would have been used more. And maybe I would have stayed on the ball a little bit better or whatever if I didn't have that big playoff. I really just think that I still have the right mentality when I was getting when I was on salary. Like it just felt like it was going to last forever. And like, you know what I mean? Okay. We are back with a much stronger internet connection, I think. Yes, yes, it is.

So I guess the biggest question now, Jack, is like, where do you go from here? What do you want to do with your career now? For right, honestly, I'm not a man with the plan. So for right now, it's just going back to the same old, same old with like indies. And then I'm looking for a promotion to work for in Mexico. So I got to start sending in the resume around down here. And for right now, like, that's just about it. But in all, honestly, in my age, it's probably in a couple years, his time to even start

thinking about like at least a semi-retirement, you know, what's sad thought to think about. But as of right now, right now, just stay old, same old Indies and I'm hoping to get on TV in Mexico. So you're in Alcapulco right now, but Mexico City is home for you? Yep, Mexico City is home for me. Alcococo is about four hours away, isish. And how long have you lived in Mexico? I've lived in Mexico 11 years now, I think. Wow.

Something like that. With all of these videos you've been posting on Twitter with these issues you've been having with the police and being extorted by the police, I got to say, like, when you post these videos, I get very worried for you. No, no. No, that's the thing. It's not one of those situations where, like, oh, they're going to take me out back and kill me or something. But the thing is, when the police do that, well, they'll plan, like, they'll find something to charge you with. which just being a foreigner and everything, it just makes a much, like, worse deal.

And there's already one incident where, like, I almost was facing jail time and actually in prison. And so I just want to be completely avoided. But that's the thing. Where I live, you usually, it's a place called Del Valle. I probably shouldn't like dogs myself, but you usually don't get anything like that.

But what those plea, it wasn't just me, is my entire building, they were just like doing that to everyone like my neighbor's son got it like these two guys I call him the drunks because they're always but like man the police beat

this crap out of them and then there's also like there's a neighborhood schizophrenic like that we kind of just let stay in the building and he stays in the fire escape and then like but he's like he's part of the community is weird as it sounds and like they slapped him up and like he didn't

he doesn't have anything he's essentially homeless See, like, just does little work around the building, like, you know, for different people. They just break them off a little bit of money. So, like, it was a weird situation where they just went out of control. Maybe it was other buildings, too, or other areas around me, but specifically on my building. But, like, if you know anyone that lives in Mexico City, they'll tell you, oh, no, that stuff happens in, like, Tapito and, like, these. It doesn't happen in the Valle. So it was a very rare, weird thing for it to be happening to where I live.

But it wasn't like just me. Like I think a lot of people on like Twitter, I thought I was specifically getting targeted, like being a foreigner or something. And no, they were just kidding everybody. I think the reason they specifically kept coming back for me is the very first time that they got me is I had like $200 American on me

because I just always have $200 American in my pocket or in my wallet as like emergency money. And then I had another like two or three thousand pesos on me, which I usually don't keep that. So it looked like I was this big score, like to keep coming back to. But man, I do have to admit, it was scary that every time you left, you had to be worried because if the elevator is closed in the building I live in, then I just take the stairs. But man, there were two different times.

I'd walk around the corner to the stairs and boom, like, there they are. And so I'm like, are you waiting for me for hours? like what is going on so like in total i think they ended up getting like 7 000 pesos out of just me i don't know what's the conversion there how many dollars is 7000 pesos uh around 350 so like not so they kind of corner you and and try to arrest you for something or plant something on you that's how this happens yeah the first time it was this giant bag weed and then like that's the thing is if just with reputation i have if you try to tell people if i try to tell people if i try to tell people like the weed wasn't mine like they just don't believe me you know what i mean like oh jack come on

but i was like no no this really wasn't mine this was this huge bag because if it's five grams or less or something i don't know what the laws are and then after that it started it worse they didn't plant anything on me but they just said like i smelled like weed and then so they checked me and i didn't have my passport on me and it's never enforced i've never seen it but i guess it's technically a law that if you're foreigner, you're supposed to have a form of identification on you, like, at all times, like either FM2, your residency or your passport. I didn't have either of them on me. Like, I just, like, I don't know anyone from them.

You know what I mean? You don't do that. Like, it's never, I've never actually had anyone ask me for it. So then they pretended they were going to arrest me from that. And I kind of tried to resist, except, like, they push it to where they, I didn't want to try to call their bluff. I'm like, man, they might try to take it. me down and do something suddenly got me a second time and then on the third time that's when like

right when right when i crossed the like the the corner and then i saw him i just went and i ran and then there's one thing i do know in mexico is that they're very strict with the police coming into your house without uh i don't know what they call it here but basically a search warrant so the guy actually trying to follow me into my house. So, man, it doesn't sound like something I don't really do. But I turned around and I pushed him on his ass. And then that's when I started to record and I was so mad. But man, the thing is, when you get that emotional,

my Spanish went out the window. So it's like the worst strategy in the world. But yeah. And then what I got lucky, though, was that they were saying I was a liar and they were going to call like other people come or whatever, is my neighbor's son came out. And they had robbed him just a couple days before. So then it, like, really turned into this neighborhood thing.

So it's not even all recorded, but, like, they actually started to kind of get mobbed with, like, the local, like, people of the building. And then they just left and they never come, like, back to my building. The only time I've ever seen them is once on the corner in front of this thing called Oxo. It's basically like 7-11. And, like, I just, like, void at all eye contact. Like, I don't want to mess with them. But besides that, my Spanish isn't very good. but I definitely can hear you saying

Ridiculoso, which I assume you're calling out the police and I just worry for your safety when you're doing this. No, I don't think they're going to do anything because again, as bad as it is, you have to worry more about police corruption and like a Vario or something where I live. It's like this middle class area.

So like they just, they don't, they don't want to bring anything down on that voting block like that there's political things so I'm actually they're not going to make you disappear or anything like that that's not like something we have to worry about it

no I highly doubt it just because it would turn into an incident form in an area that it shouldn't like where you really have to worry about the police in Mexico is like in honestly the poorer areas like if you're in a tepito or something like they might get you

but like in Del Valle like I'm surprised Like, I'm surprised they even took it that far. Like, I don't think they, I thought that they didn't think I would, like, escalate it to the level I did or anyone in my building, really. So, but, yeah, no, where I live, you're, yeah, like, the, that stuff usually doesn't happen. Like, does it, do these incidents make you think about moving back to the U.S.? No, because, like, as bad of the reputation, as the police have in Mexico, I've actually had an equal amount of, like, good incidences, I guess, with them. And, like, especially the police over around me, like, when we, like, they have this thing in Mexico where, like, they'll mark outside your house with these different symbols.

And that means that your target get robbed. So, like, in my building, we found all these cars were getting broken into the symbols were being written. and like if there's like three little lines it's like a single female home alone or whatever so I got this circle in front of mine which is just like they have something in there to rob or at least believe so like a couple people got the three little squiggly lines

and so people were like worried like oh man like a neighborhood watch was formed the whole thing but then the police came down and they caught the people like quick and like I was like giving them chili dogs I gave like the police not those specific police, but then like the ones that caught them, we gave them birthday

cake and everything, like we had a really good relationship. So like in general, like, I've actually had mainly good run-ins with the police in Mexico, but it's just like, it's just like there's good and bad on anything when Mexico is the land of extremes.

Like you get like super cops and then you get like those like ones that'll extort you. Like, so. But no plans to move back to the is what you're saying. No, no, I really like that. And like, again, Mexico gets bad reputation.

Most of the time that you hear about these, like, crazy things happening in Mexico, it's pretty much the border towns. Like, it's the drug routes, you know what I mean? Like, if you're not in, like, so the areas that are actually crazy in Mexico that it has reputation for, they're very easy to avoid. And, like, besides that, like, where I live, like it's no more dangerous than like a New York City or Chicago or something like for the most part. Well, one of the great things about what you do is Mexico's amazing if you're a professional wrestler.

Oh yeah, yeah. It is. You've got a lot of places to work. Well, no, not only that is there's nowhere that Luchinators are more over than in the Vario. So like you do have a little bit of a, like, of, uh, I don't want to say protection because, you know, you still, something could happen.

But, like, a lot of times in places that, like, maybe you should be a little bit, like, more weary of whatever, you'll be over as hell.

Because, like I said, like, just the vario is where Luchinebra is the most popular. So, like, you'll go to Tapito and you'll be, like,

a little bit scared or whatever, and then half people recognize you, like, you'll be super over and, like, oh. So when you talk about, like,

you know, retirement might be a few years away, Do you think about what you're going to do after you're done wrestling? No, not really. Honestly, I'm not like a very ambitious person. So I just want some kind of little business that just kind of can pay for all my bills and like for the needs of my kids. And then I'm just happy with that. Like I don't.

I don't know, man. You say you're not that ambitious of a person, but you can't have the career that you've had in pro wrestling if you don't have some sort of ambition. Yeah, well, maybe at one point. But I feel like now I'm very much more like, like I just want to like chill or whatever. Like I don't, but there's no, there's no like, I don't know what's the word for. There's just no need to like try to be anything, you know,

other than like just have the basic necessities paid for. Well, it also sounds like you've done everything you want to do in your career. Yeah, I did a lot more. When I first started wrestling, going to Dragon Gate was like, I'm done. I don't need anything more than this. And then like, so I don't want to be one of those guys that no matter what you get, you're never happy with her or whatever. Like, so I am pretty happy with what I've done.

You know what I mean? Like I didn't freaking reach the top of the top or whatever. But like I've had like 20 years now of like a decent amount of relevancy. And like, you know what I mean? I got to travel a lot of places that paid the bills or like you know like most of the time

a lot of wrestlers especially back in the day Indies pay a little bit better than now so maybe there's some guys surviving off it but like wrestling wouldn't pay the bills until late into your career and like I was lucky enough within like the first like five years

of wrestling or something it became my primary job or whatever so like yeah I really kind of just content with how things have been So like, not that if anything came along, I'm just like ignore it or you know what I mean, but like, I'm not, I don't know. This seems to be a theme with everything we've talked about is you just have this like bliss, this contentment with just everything. You're just like, yeah, you know, it's all good.

Yeah, no, I know, but I always like, I feel like that makes you sound like I'm lazy, which I just pulled myself away. But like, yeah, I really am just kind of content with how things are. and like, like, my, my little apartment, right, and was like a little class area of Mexico City is paid for, like, you know, I've gotten a lot out of wrestling. So, like, I'm not really, I'm not really worried about, like, trying to become, like, the millionaire superstar or whatever. You know what I mean?

Like, I'm having shirts like that, though. I think we expect you to be a millionaire superstar. Okay. You know what, actually, with this kind of style, never mind. Never mind, okay. What was your job? Where's my job? Where's my, I'm wearing the shirt of slinkness, people.

This is worth a million dollars. You know that. What was your job before wrestling started paying the bills? I was, technically, it had a cool sounding name, but it wasn't at this place called Sauray Composites of America. I was a lab technician. But what that really was, was stirring these samples of composite fiber all day and then moving what was essentially toxic waste. And it wasn't a bad job, but man, there's this thing called NMP. I don't remember what it stood for,

but I put one of the barrels down too hard and the cap wasn't on all the way and it splashed into my eye and oh my goodness, I have never experienced pain like that before. Oh my God. So like there was that. Like this is a toxic chemical in your eye?

Yeah, it's called NMP. I'm going to look this up. Yeah, NMP. And it's used for like whatever, like the resin or whatever it is, like binds composite fibers together.

NNP? Yeah, like the letters. And it's used to like break that down. Is it NPP? No, NMP. Oh, NMP. Yeah. And so it's used to like break the resin down

or composite fibers or whatever. And like, yeah, if you get that in your eye, it's freaking next level. And methyl two, high roll don't yes I believe that is it

yeah and so yeah I think you want that in your eyeball no and like that's why safety precautions are very so important

because I didn't I was wearing my goggles on my head like I was too cool like it was like it was so again this is a record theme it was once again

my fault and then I didn't have the cap on all the way and I slammed it down like and like yes so anytime It's a hazardous waste is what I'm learning here from Google.

Yeah, yeah, no, it's definitely hazardous waste. Especially after you mix it in with the composite fiber, it has like that resin mixed in with it too. And then so you're dumping all that out in the light. And then I was also, I was a pizza delivery boy for a little bit. And I worked at Jack in the box. I did data entry for a little bit, which was actually playing my funnest job. I actually, because you, back in the day, I don't know how to do it now, but you used to have a little pedal when your data entry that would rewind whenever you were listening to.

And then so, like, I don't know, you could just play a little stupid game so you got bored with that thing. And then I'm trying to think what else. Was all this in California? No, no, Washington. This is Washington. Yeah. Well, I can imagine after getting hazardous waste in your eyeball that you're like, all right, I'm happy to be making money. Yeah, so painful.

So painful. But there's actually to bash. in your eyeballs, not quite as bad, but it hurts almost as bad as N&P. Because when I was in Mexico for the very first couple years, we were heels, me and Ted, and in Ciudande-Hores, if you're a Technico, they're the best crowd ever. If you're a Rudo, you're in some trouble. Because I just remember, we had lost the match. We're going to the back.

We're doing that. Oh, yeah, you suck. I hate you. And a lady tapped me on the shoulder. and I turned around took a cup full of Vasco sauce right in my eyes and like oh my goodness

it took like a good 10 minutes of pure splashing water in my eye and everything to get that like that was super painful wow but yeah so see you know if you're Technico

it's one of the most enjoyable experiences if you're a Ruto do not listen to anyone tapping on your shoulder after the match is over get your ass to that locker room you don't know what's going to happen

Is the hair that we're seeing right now the result of the match that you had with Orange Cassidy? Kind of. It actually grew out, like even a little bit longer than this. And then my girl, she loves when I have blonde streaks. And so I was like,

okay, fine, I'll do it. But, you get, this is a, man, another recording thing. This was totally my fault. You get what you pay for. I went to the cheapest little place, like a couple blocks away from my house.

and like I don't know how you could just tell they didn't know what they were doing and so I had them do the little die job thing and the lady ends up talking some other lady and she's just doing other stuff and she told me like I think 30 or 45 minutes I can't remember and then she had to take off this little like net thing they were like poking it all through yeah for like highlights yeah yeah for highlights well she did it in mind I'm talking it's over an hour

maybe an hour and 15 minutes and like God this is The stupid Jack, like, I would just be too nice because I should have been like lady. It is way too long. Take this thing off of me. Yad, yada, yada. But I was just like, oh, well, I'll just take it. She knows what she's doing. And I'm like submissive almost this lady.

I don't know what was wrong with me. And she took it off. And like some parts were like white and then some were a little bit like coppery and the blonde. And like my, not only that, my head, it was just. like I had the worst dandruff anyone's ever seen like you could I could just like brush my hair with my hand and I'm talking snowflakes like crazy style and then like uh it looked so bad that just a couple days later I went and I just got it all shaved off to the point of like another hair versus hair match basically yeah but this one were like hair versus hair salon match

and then so and then oh it was so bad and the thing is okay I was like so mad and then I was even more mad at myself because like I said it was like being submissive like man why don't I just tell her take it on I'm gonna go tell that lady da-da-da-da-da-da-da and the one day I'm walking my wife my wife's fringe with the lady and then so I was like oh no I can't even say anything like I want to get my little like I got to get the last word in style or something I got to tell this lady off like what she did and I couldn't like and she's fringe with my wife and she orders the stuff betterware from her and I was like oh god so so needless to say you've shaved your head twice in last year or so yeah yeah and you know that second time was like it basically it the bicked it

with like the razor because even when the clippers were at the lowest it still had these little spots and like just i don't know it was bad but the thing that sucked is it literally it damaged my scalp because even when it was completely shaved as bald as you could get it there i'd just be walking around and like there'd be like flaky chunks of like dead skin like come off my head like yeah it was so now you kind of look like uh dave portnoy the barstool guy you know what i'm talking about david why no it does sound familiar no in the show i don't know if you ever seen it i feel like i look like i'm gonna show you max pain from max pain three oh sure yeah i mean this might be a it's just i think the hair and the beard but uh this guy

Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you could be like his stunt double, I think. Oh, yeah, wait, I'm down, I'm down. I need work, Dave, get a hold of me. Dave has a lot of money, so there you go. At what point in your life, because I don't think it was probably in your wrestling career, but one point in your life did you realize I can do really acrobatic stuff? Well, early on, because my sister, sorry, I got to blow my nose.

This interview has it all. I love it. Yeah, it's just a disgusting interview, like talking about flaky, like, like, the interview has a thing of my head, blow my nose.

Early on, because my sister was in gymnastics, and then she taught me a lot of, like, she essentially taught me the backhand spring, and I took it from there. But when I knew I could do, like, maybe not gymnast levels,

but like I was really good at it, was when I got into break. because you had a lot of other people that could do acrobatics and stuff. Sure. And even though like I wasn't as good as like the air tracks, air flairs and all that, like, and of course like Washington is in this strong break dancing. But like I was even better than them and that's when I realized like, oh man, I actually like, again, I'm not the top level gymnast, but I got a lot of acrobatic skill.

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How Isn't Jack Evans? It should think is a pretty appropriate question to ask. Oh, man, when it comes to that cage of death bump, I agree. Dude, you landed on your head. Yeah. Or no, no.

On that one, I actually ended up landing on like my tailbone. And it literally, like, must have cracked my tailbone or something because I'm talking. And it was just shortly before, like Blitz Creek is like my favorite wrestler ever out of the room of WCW. I was getting his gimmick like two days later after that happened,

but only after this match with Super Dragon and all this stuff. So I like, I had this cracked tailbone and I had to go and do a match. I'm pretty sure of Super Dragon, who is like, he's not near as rough as they say, like stiff-wise, but it's a rough match with Super Dragon.

And then, but even like just to get like the Blitz Creek outfit and everything. And like the original Blitzkrieg came out. handed it to me and all that. But even then for like two months after, like I just can't explain how bad, like essentially my ass hurt. I'm sorry.

This interview gets bad, but man, that that tailbone, it freaking killed for so long. So that was one of the worst bumps. Was that your worst injury? No, I'd say my worst one was,

uh, I broke my leg, actually in front of Chris and Juan, uh, And like I ended up having to get, I don't know if you get to see it, but like this. I had their plates and screws and the whole thing. And then in Japan, I broke my face. And I had to, I don't even remember how many now, but plates and screws in my face.

Because it broke my orbital and then like pushed it over through my nasal. And then like, oh, it was so swollen and everything. But it was in Osaka. And Osaka is the best party city anyone's ever seen in their life. so I was determined to go out that night. Like I didn't go to the hospital or anything with this huge puffy face that I knew was broke. And I ended up getting El Generico Sammy Zane to come out with me. Innsom he doesn't even drink or anything.

So I was like, oh, it was one of those pathetic moments. I'm like, Doug, trying to go to the freaking Osaka clubs. Like, not by myself. Sammy's there. Well, like, you're not drinking. I'm drinking by myself. Like, I'm trying to dance on girls with this woman. Like, I don't know what I was thinking on that.

one. And then, but what I was lucky was we had to fly home like, I think two days later or whatever, maybe three days. And I still, I hadn't gone to the doctor or anything. Like, uh, I'm sure flying doesn't help that at all. Well, no, actually, I was told it's very dangerous to fly like that. Like, well, I didn't know it at the time. But the stewardess actually means human tornado, who was the guy that ended up breaking my, or who had broken my face. Uh, it wasn't his fault. I don't want to make it sound like that. It was a complete accident. But she moved us up to first class because when she saw it,

she was just like almost disgusted. Like, you need to go maybe up to first class. It looks like you might be in some pain. Like, and then I got to take human tornado with me. And then when I got home, though, the doctors were so mad at me from flying without getting it checked out and like putting place and everything. And like so, but yeah, it ended up being this huge surgery. and blah, blah, blah, blah.

And then, but you know what was more of the most painful thing out of that whole thing? Is right after the surgery, I had the big, you know, like swollen face. Not allowed to blow your nose or anything because of the pressure. But I was walking to go get something to the kitchen and I turned around and I hit my, like, that part of the face on the side of like a door frame and literally blood splurped through my eyelid. And oh, it looked like I was crying blood. I even took a picture if my space was still around

and it would still be there and I was like look I'm crying blood I'm every goth girl's dream but like it actually it hurts so bad but literally like horror movie style like it's burst out

like from underneath my island and like that hurt worse than the actual injury that was so painful I really do think this is an appropriate question like this whole compilation is you landing on your head from like various different heights

and the question is like How aren't you dead yet? Yeah. Well, I'll tell you how about dead yet, because that was when I was going. You know how many concussions you've had? No,

but like, in all honesty, most of my injuries haven't usually been head injuries. They, like that one was, I don't actually feel like I got concussed from that though, because it wasn't,

like, loopy, but there was for sure, even though it wasn't diagnosed because like they just didn't, like, back in the day, like in the early to mid-2000s,

no one was actually really thinking about concussions like i mean obviously knew they existed but it wasn't like today where like if you get a concussion like again eight w handles that so well like if you even think you're concussed like no questions asked go ahead and take your time off do your thing you're not going to get you know deep pushed or like you know looked up bad on and there used to be completely different mentality where like in the early like 2000s again it's like what well you got a concussion and you're taking time you know what i mean like but so but there was One in ROH where I did a bad 630 on top of a chair. And then there was one in the Blitzkrieg outfit against Super Dragon at an indie in California,

where I did a, man, I was just way too blown up. I shouldn't have gone for it. And I knew I should have gone for it. But I did a bad corkscrew 630 and I ended up like knocking myself out. And so those are the two for sure I know of, but I'm willing to bet just over all the years there's been like, some more. But those are the two major ones. But most of my injuries actually are

to my legs and specifically my ankles. Like I've really, like a lot of high flyers I find, like they get bad knees, like like rape or whatever, you know, usually he has the problem with the knees or whatever. I got bad ankles. So like, I have this thing as the one, it's the right one

on the one I got surgery on, where it sounds so dumb, but I have to be careful. There are curbs because sometimes, and there's no rhyme or reason to it, but my ankle just loses strength and doesn't balance itself. So, like, I'll be walking up to a curb. And, like, I just won't be able to, like, if I'm not, if it's just hanging off the curb by a little bit,

I literally, like, just fall and collapse, like, into the street. And, like, it's, like, again, I know it sounds so stupid. But it's actually been a thing where, like, I've almost actually gotten myself hit by cars and everything. So, like, if you ever see me walking slow or staying, away from a curb i don't know it sounds dumb but they're like there's reason for it like so i i've my ankle my right ankle specifically is bad so that's where i've gotten most of my injuries well that's the answer that is the answer to the question how isn't jack evans dead yet well no and the

family because the thing is is before i well a it was kind of the like meta i don't know if that like that's what we would call it in gaming i don't know if that works in wrestling but it's kind of the style back day, in my day, was like big stunts, big bumps. And then, like, now I find that like, that's not as much the style, so like, you don't really need to do it. And the family, because now

I'm just not willing to take the risk I was before, because back in the day, if worse came to worse, and, like, I was hurt out of, couldn't work or anything. Like, I could move it back in with my parents. Like, you know, it'd be embarrassing, but it was an option. But now,

like, when I moved back in my parents, I'm just like, okay, family, take care of yourself. You know what I mean? So, like, now that the family has put this, like, fear of getting injured that's, like, more than conscious. Like, so, like, I literally, if you were to ask me to climb up on the cage and do the double move so like I could do and scramble cage madness again, like my mind and body physically wouldn't let me do it.

Like, they just like, don't, no, man, if you get injured, but, you know, you got kids, da-da-da-da. So the reason Jack Evans isn't dead is the family, sure, because it just, you know, You just can't keep being a knucklehead when you got people relying on you. That makes sense. Not long after you debuted in AEW. Xbox was on his podcast, and he had so many, like, very nice things to say about you. And I didn't realize this.

I don't think a lot of people realize that you guys lived together. Oh, yeah, we lived together for a year, year and a half, maybe. But, oh, yeah, he's one of the, the, man, and this is the weird thing. I find on the internet, with a lot of fans, he has a different reputation compared to the person he actually is. 100% like I've never seen before. Like, one of the most caring, realist individuals I've ever seen. Yeah, he's such a sweetheart. Dude, like, I used to joke around that he's the male mother Teresa, that he could, he literally, like, if he saw a homeless guy, he'd given him money, taking him to OXco, we find him sandwiches.

Like, like, but man, also a guy that is just. just stupid shit happens to him like man there's one time he got drunk and he went into no he wasn't even drunk I'm sorry he was drinking but it wasn't even a drunk or anything and he went into an alley and like just was

pissing and the police rushed him and he got extorted and all this stuff and it was like what I've never seen that happen like so he's a guy that like he's the nicest guy in the world but also like I swear to God there's like a gray brain cloud that follows him around like

So this is in Mexico He was loving with you Yeah Yep in Mexico And it was I think right No no I'm sorry It was right after AAA

Because yeah He got signed to AAA And then AAA actually paid For a house for me This guy Moody Jack Conan and Xbox And then so like That just became

Almost like a wrestler flop house But it was fun times Definitely fun times But yeah I just live with Xbox was like, man, I've never met a person like with such a caring person

to like the next level. I've nothing but good thing to say about Xbox. When you get to live with someone like that and pick his brain, what do you think is the biggest thing you learn? Actually, it was, I should have picked it more. Xbox used to be a trainer or anything. He actually knows so, so much.

But one thing I remember taking away from him, well, I didn't actually learn it. I remember witnessing him able to do it. He would be able to go to a show, and I don't know how, but almost like divination or something, he would be able to read what kind of

crowd it was. So like, when you were wrestling with Xbox, it was the best because you'd be like, oh yeah, this is a good crowd, you're going to want to do your dives, you're going to want to do that, and like it would work. And then like, he'd say, oh, no, they just want comedy, da-da-da-da. And then like, he'd just do these comedy spots, and it would work.

So one thing I remember taking away from Xbox, even though I didn't really learn it. I just wasn't on the bulb again. But it's like, you really have to realize that like there's different kind of shows. Like, because I just kind of like, I'd go to a show and I'd just be doing six 30s

and Saski specials and it'd be nothing. And Xbox would like have one where he like, gets a guy in a full Nelson and the guy like gets to the feet with his robes and then when the ref counts to four Xbox just comedically let him go and the guy would like fall to his back. Roaring huge laughter.

So Xbox you really knew actually how to read and control a crowd way more than he gets credit for. That's where I'd always go out and be like you know what I mean? Like oh I'm going to be the car crash scene like I'm bringing the action. Like Xbox would know and

who else had this with Pearl O'Gwile? It was so good at it. He would just be able to a crowd. He'd know what kind of people you were wrestling in front of and what they wanted to see. Like to an extent I don't think I've seen anyone else. So like I always love feuding with Xbox because

he just no matter where you were, like he knew how to get you over because again I don't know how he could do it but he just had this weird connection where he just knew the kind of people you're like he knew are they going to want the craziness? Are they going to want comedy? Do they want crowd interaction?

He was actually the one, in Mexico I started interacting with the crowd much more than I did in America. And he was the one that taught me that, because especially in Mexico, he was like, it's actually very important to make sure you go to the crowd and you make them kind of like the sixth man. Well, I mean, I was not the sixth man, but you know what I mean? Include them. So, yeah, I remember learning that from X-Pont.

Again, I didn't learn witnessing him doing it. But, like, yeah, you learned it like by osmosis almost. Yeah, yeah. But I don't have it to like that extent at all. Like I don't even think I'm describing like just how good he really was at it. Like so like you'd be in a small town and he would just listen to you and like, okay, we're going to do this. And then I'm going to $450 off the apron on the submit, da, da, da, da. And he just be like, look, you don't need any of that.

Like here, this is what you do to get over with him, do this spot, this spot, this spot. And it would just work better than your plan. So even though you were more complicated, doing crazy or higher-risk stuff, it just wouldn't get over to the extent as whatever Xbox told you. Yeah, he was so good at that, so good at that. Do you think with everything you did in your career that you really got the momentum when you started getting the exposure from Lucha Underground? To a certain extent, I feel like Lucha Underground was almost like a really,

launch for me because I feel like in America at least I was like almost forgotten a bit you know what I mean like he was that guy in ROH and did a double himself da-da-da-da and I feel like Luch Underground like reminding people of my existence in America almost

so uh-oh I'm getting a call I told you this interview has everything Buenos Aires Oh no no necessito Thanks is. No, so I know the house

cleaning. They want to know when I needed to have the room clean. We'll cut that out. Okay. With all that said, again, this interview has had everything. This is amazing. Appreciate your self-awareness through everything. Like, you know what

you bring to the table, whether that's in wrestling or in life. And I don't think, I think that's a gift. There are very few people that are as self-aware as you are. I'm yeah no thank you because I really do honestly try to be like realistic with my situation like you know I don't want to go out there and pretend to be something I'm not or try to hype myself up so no thank you I guess I try and I want to know I'm not enough for my dad's that's how my dad is my dad is very like honest with his faults and everything so that's how I got it I also want to thank you

for guiding me through that segment that we did because, you know, we talked about it a bunch, and it was written one way, and it ended up being a different way. And I remember we were all rehearsing this before the show. And you're like, oh, I'll just come out the entrance way and like be yelling. And I'm like, that sounds amazing.

And then we were on live TV, there's, you know, 15 or 20,000 people in the arena, and you're yelling and we can, you know, barely hear you. I thought it was interesting how it all ended up looking on television. It was good. I was just, oh, man, actually, Joey Janella, I don't know if you remember, he was marking out the biggest because he was like the big, this clerk's nerd

that's ever been. But for me, I've always been a J.N. Silent Bob guy because me and my friend Tony, like, that was, we used to like hang outside of 7-Eleven and drink slurpees and everything. So we'd get compared to J.N. Silent Bob all the time.

So, like, it was, and I know I'm a big fan of, like, especially dogma is one of my favorites. I know that's not one. And I think I'm the one person in the world that think small rats is a good movie. But so I was marking out during that whole thing. So I'm just happy that it went well because I was like, oh, man, this is badass.

I was hoping, though, my dream was that, oh, man, and I wanted to wrestle their alternative, or their alter egos. Bluntman, oh, I can't remember the other one. Oh, it's Blumman and something. I'm going blank. So I was hoping that somehow it would lead actually to a match with Jason and Kevin Smith, but it didn't. But so, but that was actually a really fond memory from me just because it was such a,

like I was such a Kevin Smith fan of his movies and everything. So yeah, that was just, well, thank you. Thank you. Now, I think what was so interesting is we went over that. Christopher Daniels was the one who kind of had the plan for that. Yeah. We went over that like so many times. Like, it's going to go like this.

It's going to go like this. We're going to do it. And we thought it was going to be on this side of the arena. ended up being on the other side of the arena. Then we go backstage when Kevin and Jason arrived, and the entire segment completely changes. Can I be honest? I knew from the start it was,

because those things never go as planned. I always think on those ones, they just need a general outline, and then it's got to be improbbed, because a lot of times, if you try to get it, what is it, like, too much down, like, if you try to make it like a movie scene

where like dialogue's rain and da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. It's actually going to mess people up when something goes, you know, like, take off the rails or whatever. It was episode one, though. It was episode one of the show. Yeah, yeah. So, but no, I think it still went really well.

But, yeah, no, I knew. I was like, in my mind, I was like, it's never actually going to go like this. It's just these things don't do that, like, not in wrestling. Like, what do you think is your AEW highlight? and all honestly that might be it for just memorability just because it's so rare

that you know you're going to work with Kevin Smith and Jason Mews like that but for me my APW highlight like matchwise would man actually my favorite might be that one with like the best friends but like yeah so like I didn't have very many like classics

or I don't think I had any like classics and then I would say my singles with Kenny Omega, which is actually on a dart, except, man, oh, that Kenny Omega match, it should have been one of those like six-star classic Kenny Omega Match styles or whatever. I was

so out of shape, and then, like, so I was like in a neurotic, I was a neurotic mess, like putting that match together with him, because the whole time I'm trying to tell him, like, kind of insinuating to him, like, I'm going to be blown out, I'm not going to be able to do this. I'm not going to be able to do this, but I didn't want to,

it was all, it was all, it could have on like a big break if I had a hit a home run on that match. So a lot of people put that match over as being great. And it was like, it was pretty good, but it should have been so much more. We need to cut so much out. So much was not executed properly. And like that one right there, again, the recurring thing was 100% my fault. I was so out of wrestling shape that I just literally, he, he just outworked me to such an extent

where like we actually had to end the match early because I was just like I'm done. like so that so the kinney omega match is both a highlight for me and like one of my biggest AEW regrets because like oh I shouldn't have fallen off so far where I couldn't handle the match at all the way Kenny wanted it like that really should have been a classic so it came off good I still like the match and everything like but that one specifically actually kind of like hurts me because I'm like man that actually could have been like a career maker like again if i was more of an ambitious person i swear to god but like i just oh that one breaks my heart because they really i'm telling you if it would have everything would have been

executed just you know at a at a hundred percent rate where you're not like half-assment like you're like really selling you're not doing or you're like you're resting selling you're not doing the real cell you're actually gasping for air like yeah and if we would have gotten everything i'm telling you the match is supposed to be a good like five 10 minutes longer than it was And so I actually I would say that my Kini Omega match is both my highlight and my biggest regret of my run in AEW because like it really should have been a career in a fighting match. And also all it did was to find like literally how badly out of wrestling shape I was like midway through the match where you're like let's take it home. Yeah. Yeah.

One 100. Yeah. I was done. And the thing is in comparison to like some of those. old Dragon Game matches and stuff. We didn't, we weren't like going 100% we weren't doing all this crazy stuff. So like it was just extra embarrassing

because it was like it showed me and I stayed the office and the world. Well, I mean not the world. I don't think a lot of people realize what match was supposed to be. But like honestly how far I'd fallen because man if you were watching like these old dragon game matches

and like Sheva and Dragon Kid and everything and then like you saw like what had to get cut out in that match. should be like, oh, wow, well, Jack's really kind of like, what's wrong with him? Like, he's not going like he used to. And then 100% would be true. So, yeah. Well, I'm going to let you get back to the family and the kids.

And I appreciate us being able to catch up. And the adventure we've been on today with the Wi-Fi and the hotel and everything here. Oh, yeah. I know most of that's going to get cut. Ken, you don't know what I did for you. I ran a couple miles around this hotel just to get my wife's phone to get. get this drink and interview done properly. We did it. We did it.

Thank you. And speaking of that, I end every interview with gratitude because I wake up every morning I say out loud three things that I'm grateful for. So for you, Jack, what are three things in your life that you're grateful for? I'm grateful for wrestling in general. It really is

allowed me to have like an eventful life that I don't think there's anything else in the world that I was even half decent at that would have allowed it. I'm definitely grateful from the family and the kids just because

again, they just give me like a feeling and an experience that there's like nothing else. And then third, um, oh God, I feel like I should be grateful for so much and now I'm going to blank. Um,

no, third, you know what I'm just I'm grateful to Mexico because actually, for being a foreigner and everything in Mexico, how much Mexican people and everything has accepted me and everything. Like, I always, I love that. I feel like people like me more here than in my own country. So, and I'm grateful to Mexico. Well, we like you.

We like you, Jack. Okay, okay, good. Twitter, Twitter might disagree with you on that one, but okay. You can't just base it up the, you know, the few bad comments. No, no, no. And that's actually another thing not to keep running on, but a lot of people, I do thank them. Someone will be rude, you know, on Twitter,

like when I said my like goodbye message or whatever to AEW. But I'm like, people, you really have to take good with the bad because like, there's people that are just going to be like that. And even with someone like, like there's the channel,

AEW botches or whatever, they are posting constant Jack Evans messups. But like they're, at the same time, they're not lying. Like those were legitimate botches. So I always tell people the same thing. Like, you just got to take good with the bed.

Yeah. I think that's a great message to end with. Got to take the good with the bad. You do, you do. If everyone's putting you over all the time, you don't know where you've really said it. That's true. Well, Jack, I look forward to what's next for you.

All right. Hopefully good things. It's all going to be good things. Come on. Yeah, 100%. As you're not dead, you know, Corey does YouTube videos. Yeah.

Hopefully there, I love that someone made that series, but hopefully there's no more, how is Jack Mend and not dead videos. There we go, my friends. Thank you to Jack for letting us tag along on his vacation in Mexico. Thank you for being there with us. Thank you for choosing this episode, this podcast, out of the literal sea of millions of other podcasts. And let me ask you, what are three things that you're grateful for today?

I'll go first. Family, health. And then we get to do this right now, that we live in a time where I am somehow entering your ears right now, whether you're walking the dog, you're at the gym, you're at work, you're driving, whatever you're doing. I'm super grateful for that and super grateful for you, for being on this journey with me. Please take a screenshot, share it on social media, tag us so we can share it as well. Jack is at Jack Evan 711. I'm at Chris Van Fleet, and I'll leave you with this one from Gandhi. A man is but a product of his thoughts. What he thinks, he becomes. Be

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