Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Jimmy Havoc: The one word AEW won't let him say, Jon Moxley, Death Matches, Injuries, Will Ospreay

Episode Date: July 18, 2019

Jimmy Havoc chats with Chris Van Vliet before AEW's Fyter Fest in Daytona Beach, FL. Jimmy says he specifically asked AEW if he can have a match with Jon Moxley, he describes his injuries in great detail, talks about his favorite matches, being influenced by AFI and Davey Havok, the most emo lyric of all time and more! Audio equipment provided by Samson Technologies: bit.ly/CVVSamson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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So thank you for making this happen. You're welcome if we're going to break the fourth wall here, it's the morning of Fighter Fest. You land at, what time did you land? I got in last night about 10 o'clock, 10 a.m. And then you emailed me this morning at 5. And I'm like, what are you doing up at 5 a.m? It's English time.

Like I said, I don't really know when I sleep. I don't sleep normal times. Like this year alone, I've done London to Paris to Tokyo, to Melbourne, to Sydney, to Invercargo, to Mexico, Melbourne, to London, to Canada, back to London, to Japan again, all the way down to Detroit, then New York and back. So I'll just sleep when I can, to be fair. This is a good problem to have, though.

It's not bad. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, you've been working a lot. My parents hate me, so it's good that I'm not at home very much. But, you know, do you also hate them, you know? No comment? No. They can't use the internet.

It doesn't matter. What do you mean? Have they seen your matches? Mum used to come quite a lot, yeah. The last time she came was, I was wrestling in Zach Saber Jr. and he hit me in the head so hard with the frying pan, the frying pan broke, flew off into the crowd and hit her,

which I suppose she was lucky they hit her. And I got set on fire that day as well. She actually didn't like that. She didn't come again. Didn't come again. I wonder why. Yeah. Does she, after the match go,

Jimmy, this is an interesting career choice. Nah, they still don't think I've got a job. They still don't think I've got a real job. Well, I don't know. Is wrestling a real job? I'll get paid. Yeah?

Yeah. They don't think that. I think because I do still live at home, they don't think that. but I get paid. But in contact, she's disabled, so I'll help look after her

with my step-down and stuff, which is the main reason I'm not moved out. But are you planning to move to the US? Oh yeah, yeah, I've not been able to get away yet, so I'm moving over to the US like soon.

Okay. I thought, I'm not going to move in the own country. What's the point? What's the point of paying rent? I'll follow the way to America and live there instead. So you're, I mean, you have to move here because you guys are going to be doing TV in the fall. They can't be flying you over.

They just, that wouldn't make any sense. I wouldn't want to fly that much. I mean, the air might be wicked. I'm flying back and forth to America once a week. Unless you're stuck in a middle seat. That's like a nine hour flight from... I'm not too big. As long as it's not too massive guys next to me, it'll be right.

On the way over here, I was like, I was on the window, the guy in the middle, like, he was a big lab. It was like, when you're eating, just keep it. He was just like this, in my food. I'm like... I just did that same flight. I was in London last week. People saw the interview I did with Simon Miller. It's like a nine-hour flight from England to Florida.

the worst part about it is they bring you your food which is awesome and then they don't take the tray away no that fucks me off so much for like an hour you can't move like yeah i'm glad yeah i'm glad yeah i'm glad we can agree on this you're basically handcuffed you can't get up to go to the bathroom what are you gonna do ask the stranger next to you hey could you hold this tray of discarded food i do sometimes no i'm not waiting fuck it just i'll piss you off but the worst the worst one i was um i was in a i can't remember i was flying back from i was flying back from here to home and it was an overnight flight and uh so as i was on the aisle there was a woman next to me in the middle and woman on the and the woman next to the window said oh she's got ladies problems so she's going

to need to go back and forth the toilet lot so okay well we can swap if you want because i want to sleep she goes no no i'd rather sit here so you'd rather sit there and get up four or five time to wake me up wow okay these are the things you have to deal with with the amount of traveling that you're doing yeah yeah but but if you're living here the traveling will be either short flights or that maybe drives once TV starts. No, I'm not driving. I'm flying. Yeah, I don't know. Is that in your contract?

I don't know. I've not read it when I said. But congratulations. How much has changed for you since signing with AEW? Not much, really, to be fair. I still wear my nail varnish. I still get drunk quite a lot. It's good. I'm still living my best life.

What about in terms of, you know, recognition? I think, To be fair, I think my girlfriend will agree with this. Like there's been a few times back home, especially London, where like on the tube people have come up to me like, oh, can I get a photo? Like, this is weird. It's nice.

Like, it is nice that people sort of know you and stuff. Like, it just freaks me out. Like, do you think I'm someone else? I was at Downo Festival of a couple of years going, he's going, oh my God, Davey Havoc. I'm like, I'm not, but thank you so much. I buy a pre, thank you. I think he knew what he meant, but he just got the name wrong.

And then it was too stupid to go, oh, no, I mean Jimmy, so. How inspired are you by Davy Havoc? Very, very much, so, yeah. He's the, like, how old were it? Like, I'll just have the first guy I fell in love with. That's okay. We know what you mean. Yeah, yeah.

But, yeah, no, I've always had a bit of a crush on him, to be fair. Like, they were the first band I was in love with. Like, I've still follow them all the time. I got to meet Davey last year, and it was pretty cool. So if, like, there was another band, like, if Blink 118 was your band, you'd be Jimmy DeLong? Possibly, yeah. Wow. Wow.

It doesn't roll off the tongue. No, it doesn't. And Havoc has a double meaning in the wrestling world. Exactly, yeah. Especially with the type of wrestling that you've been doing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That was never an intention. It was just that I love Davey.

And you're like, that's a cool name for a wrestler. Yeah. Were you always drawn to hardcore matches? Yeah, like Mick Foley and like the Hardys were kind of my favorites growing up. And I used to love ECW and then I got into CZW. And yeah, I always just wanted to see what it was like to get thrown through a table. And when I did that, I was like, that's not too bad. Let's see what.

thumbtacks are like, oh, that's okay. Let's see what barbed was. And every time I've done something and didn't die, I thought, oh, we'll see, we'll take it further. We'll take it further. Have you been close to dying? No, no, I don't think so. It depends what, you know, I mean, at some point, I will get that sweet release of death, you know, from the pain of life, but it's not, it's not, it's not happened yet. Hopefully that's no time soon. This, this little one there. Yeah, that doesn't look so bad. It looks like something in there, though. I don't know. I think I just didn't look after it. No, no, no, I don't think so. It might be, who cares this one. I don't. I don't That one as well, it's pretty bad.

Oh, my God. That was light tubes, and I'm a bit of, like, the tube went up my arm, so I had to pull it out. Oh, my. And then I wrestled on it, and, like, the stitches all bust open. And that come? Anyone who's squeamish, just earmuffs for a second. You watch porn, I suppose. Sure, yeah.

You know, like, what a prolapse anus is. Oh, my God. That's what that looked like. Like, when the stitches bust out, like, all the inside sort of came out, so we had to, like, push it back in. Oh, my God. I didn't try and deal with that. It was quite a funny look, to be fair. But for that one, yeah, I just, the cup wasn't big at all,

but the light tube went in my head and got a vein. It was like squirting out. And it was my last match for progress wrestling. You know those guys? Yeah, yeah, of course. So we finished the match. I'm laying in the ring, bleeding out. The promoter gym, my mate comes in the ring,

he plays this, like, three-minute tribute video. That's on there, they're bleeding out, I'd cool them over, and go, how funny would it be if I died right now while a tribute video to me? That'd be very fitting. To be fair, if I could choose, that would be the way I wanted to go. But, yeah, so it was all pouring out.

my head like I'm just I was more white obviously but like I'm just I'm just red by the end of the video so I do this promo and I don't know why I did it but as a blood's pouring out my head of cups on my hands I'm just drink it so I thought wait if it's coming out I'll put you back in again when I had to go to the hospital light I didn't well turn out well because it was like the scene from the exorcist but just red just puke tongue just puke you're puking blood everywhere the first time you bled in a ring was it intentional or did you gig it yeah is you gigged okay but then after that there's obviously been many times oh there's a few times where it happens like it's a few times where it happens like it's whatever but I've had that one there on my arm that was a pizza cutter I went down to the muscle the blood was like squirting out so I thought oh better

better call that one early so is that the worst injury or is the the worst injury I did my ACL MCL meniscus in Australia once but that's not even pretty you know

yeah the scars are pathetic but you can't tell you can't tell that I just can't walk that's how you can tell that one did you know like oh my god

yeah yeah it dislocated I tried to put it back in and stand up and it went again so I was like, yeah, no, I'm not going to finish this one. Is it okay, like when people call you crazy or insane? I think it depends on what your definition of crazy or insane is. Well, what's yours? My is sitting in an office 9 to 5, 5 days a week, hating your life, hating your job.

And I feel like that was more emotionally painful to me than this, what I do. You know, I get to see the world. I get to hang on my mates every day. I get to do something that I never imagined would be a job. in front of thousands of people and you know pain is temporary do I mean like

but these memories are going to last forever yeah do you look ahead I don't die obviously like I reckon I die a lot sooner than most people but then you could get hit by a bus walking down the street that's what I'm talking and humans are living longer and longer all the time I know so painful

maybe you won't live to be you know to the ripe old age of 117 like myself. I fucking hope not. How old would you like to be? I'd like to, I think, I've always thought this. Like, once I can't, like, I have no choice in like what I do anymore. Do I mean, if it all goes, like, I can't think myself, then I'd want to go.

I don't want to sort of carry on living. But like, as long as I'm still walking around, I'm still enjoying myself, I'm still happy, then fuck it, who cares really? Yeah. What do you see? I mean, sorry, that's off brand. I hate my life. I really don't enjoy it.

I want to die tomorrow. What do you say to people that say, Jimmy Havix, just a death match guy, he can't wrestle. Okay, all right, thanks. It makes me laugh. Like, the amount of,

if everyone's having a really good day, I'll vanity search myself on Twitter, because that brings me right back down again. It's real good. Like, it does make me laugh when people do feel they need to give that sort of opinion and stuff.

Because like, what fucking difference in making to your life? What? There's so many people there who like fucking hate me like absolutely hate me and it that makes me like i prefer that to people going oh no it's a bit boring so no no no have an opinion on me like me like the people who hate me is like they'll go out of their way to like tweet hate at me and it won't even be like the day of a show or something so they must have just been like sitting at work or something like bored and just

fuck what's going to piss me off like oh look at jimmy havick stuff oh this pisses me off or fucking i'll tweet him all right wicked you still follow me though like do you do you you just like enjoy getting upset by when I tweet stuff and then you cry and you use the lit you know tears to to masturbate or something like if that's their fetish that's their fetish like I'm not judging this be these people but if you don't like me I'm good thanks I don't care but the thing is there's enough people who do like the problem with humans I think as a whole is like there could be 10,000 people who tweet me and go I really like you think amazing and one

person that's you're shit and that's the one person I'll fucking think about yeah but the thing is you can actually rest you can't actually rest it. Oh yeah, I'll just choose not to me. That's not true. I trained with Zach Sabby Jr. We come from the same school. He's not my best lawyer, right? He came to the same school as well, yeah.

And I'm, yeah, like, I know, but I enjoy what I do. The thing is, like, if you see, especially in England, I think it's the same in America for me as well. Like, if you see Jimmy Havoc on the card, there's a certain expectation of what sort of match you're going to get. So if I come out there and just start training wrestling, it's like, well, that's not what people, that's not my act.

not what people want to see. So what's the point in me, you know, unless there's a story line reason for me actually having to wrestle kind of thing, what's, what's the point?

That's not what people want to see for me. But you, like, how long can you do this for? I don't know, I'm still walking, so I'm still, you're still walking.

But, you know, you could get to a point where it's, like, maybe your body won't allow you to do this anymore. That's the same for any wrestler. Sure.

I feel like, while the risk might be greater in the death match wrestling, but only in terms of, like, cuts and stuff, like most, I've only ever had stitches like three times in 15 years. What?

There's probably like you probably have things. I should have had to have things a lot more. Like if I see that one in the back of my head? Oh my God. Because I turn around and show that. Like I couldn't see that so I didn't think it was that bad. So I just blew it up. So that was just a bit of glue.

That was fine. Most of them would just been glue. Yeah. Like if any of these things happened to me, you know, I'd be getting stitched up in a second, right? Like I'm, my normal job is I'm on television five days a week. I can't have a hole in any part of my face or head. With me, it works better if there's holes in me. He's been through some shit.

Yeah, I guess like, you know, like Mick Foley wears the ear as a badge of honor. What's your badge of honor? The one I got from Scouts when I was about. Hey, but, um, no, there's quite, there's a big one on my back from tournament of death. I won that a couple of years ago. But that was, that was a, that's a big one. It goes from like my shoulder all the way down to like the middle of my back. but the medic on site

he went to a stitch and I was like do I need stitches he's like well yeah it's pretty bad I said no no no do I need stitches he's like well the bleeding stopped but I said it's fine just put dressings on it it'll be fine

so yeah I think it's because I was wrestling in the next weekend so if I had ever stitches and bumped that it all ripped them out anyway so what's the point this is true so people on Twitter saying those things about you

you know doesn't bother you what about when like someone like it bothers me every now and again I'm only human but most of the time like I've been very good lately just going, okay, let's look at all the good things

that's going on my life. Does that one person's opinion really fucking bother? What about when someone like Jim Cornett doesn't think what you're doing is wrestling? That's his opinion. I'm not going to comment on him. I'm not going to give him the fucking benefit of thinking he's gotten to me because he hasn't, to be fair.

That's his opinion. His opinion, you know, he's obviously worked very well because every company's ever worked for he's been fired from. So his opinion is obviously a good thing. Yeah, well done. Good on him. The match that you're in tonight, a Fighter Fest, is not a hardcore match because there are already hardcore matches on the bill. Does that mean, we'll just see you in a straight up wrestling match?

Well, it's not hard. I mean, technically, the rules of a four way, I think, because you can't get disqualify. It's just not against his qualifier. There's no winner. So technically, it can be hard comets. So maybe I can push the rules a little bit. But we'll see. I don't know.

MGF hasn't pissed me off yet today, so I don't actually want to kill him yet. But when I see his face, I probably, you haven't seen him yet. Yeah, I'm a really good friends with MGAF. Prick. He isn't annoying. No, I'm not allowed to say the C word anymore. I'm told I'm not allowed to say that.

You can just say C word. It's C word. Yeah. Yeah. Condom. Have you been told to tone down the swearing? Only the C word. That was an interesting conversation

that one. That word has a different connotation in American it does in England. In England, which means like, mate. Sometimes you can say it with an oh yeah yeah no it's not the same over here that's like that's almost up there with saying the N word like it's just like that's a verbal assault yeah well but definitely won't be saying that either well no I mean that that doesn't make any sense so that's the only word you can keep swearing apparently yeah once television starts you're screwed after that tweet uh where I said the guy about you winked I take to go look I don't say but is this okay's like oh yeah fine it's right it's made him laugh so what they were they were they were want me to still be myself, I suppose. But TV hasn't started yet, so it's fine. This is the thing, though, like, once TV starts, I don't know.

We'll see. I'm scared that we're going to see a gimmick where, like, Jimmy Havoc has to come down of the ring wearing a suit, like... I look really good in a suit thing, right? Of course you would look very good. But you know what I'm like a corporate Jimmy Havoc. No, that would never happen. I'd quit before that.

I don't, but that would really get you over as a heel, though. No, why? I'd hate myself. Well, then you're the ultimate heel. Well, no, I do hate myself. That's what I do what I do. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I don't know. If there's a reason for it, yeah, but I've always, I think the reason I'm happiest like where me and like Zach and people that have got where we are. So we've never compromised who we are to get where we were or to get where we want to go. And like Session off Martina, do you know her? She's an Irish wrestler. She's all like drinking beer and partying and stuff. Like she had a try out with WWE the other day.

And like I'm really happy for her as well because like she's never compromised who she is or her vision of what she wants to be for anyone. And I've always thought, if I ever have to compromise that, then I don't want to do it anymore. Wow. Not like I'm trying to be some struggling artist. But, you know, I could sit in a fucking office and be told them about to do something. I might as well, you know, if I can do this and do it how I want to do it, I'd much rather that. So was there a conversation when AEW first reached out to you?

Oh, no, they just offered me all this money. I was like, oh, fuck it. Probably not, though. I mean, that's probably, yeah. No, no, I've known Cody for a while, and we did have a conversation about it. And they did say, no, they wouldn't Jimmy Havoc. because that was a concern of mine. It's like, well, if you don't want me, then why are you signing me?

But no, they want me. Yeah, and then we see you at double or nothing. You come to the ring with a staple gun, and we go, well, there's Jimmy Howard. I was a joke in the bollocks. That was a fun time. And you stapled a cigarette to Joey Dillis head. I was a little, I was there, but I was also watching on the screen. And they didn't catch all of that.

And I was a little bummed out by that. First match, you know, there's always going to be some production problems and time and issues. And there was a few issues getting into that spot. But it's what it is. It's happened. Does a staple gun hurt? Not as much as a, you know, punch to the nose. So it does hurt?

I don't feel it anymore. Oh, man. Do light tubes hurt? Yeah, they sting. The worst thing is like chair shots to the head. Well, okay. It depends where there's like, I mean, stapled in the balls before. That does hurt.

Like, some part, I think, like, my arms are a bit numb now. And the head sometimes it hurts. Like the cheeks, that stings a bit. Do you have a, like, a body part now that, like, you wake up in the middle of the night, like your arm is numb or like your leg doesn't feel right or something because of that? Oh, everything. Oh, wow. That's more from bumps and, like, deathmatchy stuff, I think.

Like, cuts, you know, from light shoes, barbed white, it does suck. It does sting. But at the end of the day, it's not going to impede, like, my long-term health. Whereas, like, if you give me 10 German soup lex on my head in a row, that possibly will impede my long-term health. But everyone seems to be more okay with that than me cutting myself in a match. It's something about the blood. Yeah.

Yeah, people don't necessarily. I'm saying that like being a massive emo, like I could cut myself at home and people would frown upon it and say something wrong with me. But if I do it in front of 2,000 people and they'll clap for me, it's like, it validates me. It's a very weird position to be in. Obviously, you grew up being inspired by emo. Oh, massive. Yeah. What gives it away?

I don't know It's just a guess What were the bands You liked the most So AFI Obviously AIFI We touched on that I mean back then

They weren't emo As such But I think In that their later albums Maybe I put more in their sort of emoy Kind of pop punky

Kind of bracket Yeah Horror punk Yeah Like a I love a May Day parade Oh yeah I love all these bands

Yeah Jimmy World Yeah Huge fan of them Like they were They've been fucking wicked So who do you What do you think

Is the most Emo line In any of these songs Probably miserable at best by May Day Parade. I know that if I... What's that fucking line? But I guess that I can live without you,

but if, you know, I'll be miserable at best. Yeah, that's up there. I think taking back Sunday though. Yes, you know the line. You could slip my throat. And with my one last gasping breath, I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt. Yeah.

What? Yeah. Also, I like Hawthorne Heights a lot. We actually like a lot of the same music. I have the same haircut as you, just like the preppy version. Seriously. Mine's much more receding than yours. Yeah, look beautiful.

On camera, it looks the same. Hawthorne Heights, like, cut my wrists and black my eyes. So I won't fall asleep tonight or die. We should go. We should. Yeah. When you're going to move to Florida? I live in Florida.

I do. Yeah. Oh, sweet. Yeah, this is perfect. I live in Miami. I mean, yeah. Oh, this is great. Cool.

All right, perfect. Wow. Did we just become best friends? Oh, my God. We should build bump beds for activities. We should. It's like stepbrothers. This is amazing.

We'll just, we'll listen to some emo music after this. That's good to me. This is great. I should probably get a tattoo, right? I don't have any. But don't copy mine. Because my fucking shit.

This is so even the right. This is barbed wire with a shitty, like broken heart on it was a day after I got dumped by a girl. So, and my mate is a tattoo ice, so we got drunk around his house. I'll do this on me. At his house?

Yeah, it's house. Is there a bruise on your wrist right now? Probably. There's cuts and scars. It looks like it here, maybe. Yeah. Actually, yeah, it does, yeah. Does it hurt?

Yeah, that does. Yeah, that does hurt. Yeah, that's a, oh, fuck, what the hell is that from? Oh, my God. What was last time you wrestled? Last weekend in Ireland. I bet you. Well, what happened there, Jimmy?

Who knows? Yeah. Well, did something happen to your wrist? It might be when I do the rainmaker, I think I caught the guy in the face. What do you think his face looks like? It's fine. He's big and stupid.

He's all right. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that does hurt. That really hurts now. Well, now we've put it in your head. I'm sorry about that. Thanks, mate.

If someone is not a Jimmy Havoc fan, just because they haven't seen any of your stuff, what's the match you would tell people to look up right now? Probably anything, me versus Will Osprey, from progress. We had like five or six there and all of them have been fucking brilliant.

That's the, I think that's the best example of Jimmy Havoc. And I think it's crazy like I've seen those matches. They're unbelievable. People don't think that Will Osprey could go there.

Yeah. I don't know why people still shit. He's a bit of an idiot, too fair. But he doesn't, he's not all there, bless him, but he is the most physically

gifted person in the world. And he gets a lot of shit likes, he tweets the wrong thing sometimes. Well, now he's in this Twitter battle with Seth Rollins. Oh, he's doing really well there. Yeah, he's doing really well in that one, yeah.

Which is so crazy. That all started because he tweeted, I'm alive. Yeah. Oh, yeah, Rollins just said something about like, show me, like, there's no one, I'm alive and can touch us. And Ospre has been a little dick. Just fucking, why not that? I agree with him.

He's like, I'm alive. But when Rollins had to go like, oh, you look at my bank balance, he's like, ah, you've lost now. Yeah. Why does it have to be about money? Yeah, well, yeah. It should just be, like, can we just be pro wrestling, fans here? Seriously. You work for AEW. Some other people work for Ring of Honor. Some other people

work for WWE. At the end of the day, why can't we all just be fans of this thing called pro wrestling? I don't know. I don't know. If I feel like it should unite us all. Like, I'm super excited. It's a great time to be a wrestling fan. If I was ever told that I couldn't like be happy for my friends, you know what I mean? Doing one another company is. That's the point. I'd quit because no, fuck you like my friends are my friends. Like if I can't be happy for them. And I think that's another thing about pros as well like I see quite a lot where someone does well and every other one everyone else is like really like jealous of them and like bitter about it yeah no fuck that I'm I'm happy for my friends well yeah back back until I got signed by AWD all my friends are

all my friends are all that sort of shit and like I never once I'm bitter about anyone I was just happy that my friends are doing really well and maybe I'd get free tickets to restamania when you're listening do you have you been to wrestling oh yeah I've been to wrestling oh yeah I've been to wrestle many times which ones 30 31 no 30 32 33 34 oh wow yeah you've been to a lot of I've been all those same ones. Are there any rules that AEW has imposed on you? Like, they haven't said nothing yet. Because like if a WWE guy took a photo

with you, like, that would be very bad. If you took a photo with a WWE guy. I don't think a problem. I think like, I think it depends on who it was. If it's Fergal, like Finballo. Right. Yeah, he's your boy. Yeah. You guys have known each other for years.

So how long until we see you and John Moxley mix it up? No idea. But it's going to happen. It's going to happen. It's not often I ask for stuff. I want that match. Have you asked for it?

Yeah. Oh, we might see that this year, people. Possibly at some point, I hope. I'm not a wrestling booker here, but that would be a really good all-out match. I get tweeted about that more than anything else. Well, when I tweeted that I was going to be interviewing you, that was the number one thing that people said,

we got to figure out this Moxley thing. At some point, it will happen. I hope. Well, you can't. I'm pretty sure if fucking will. Of course it's going to. happen unless he like dies at fighter fest tonight or you do me yeah please don't i'll try my best not but you wear a shirt that encourages you to do that yeah yeah was that your idea yeah um so i never

had any merch uh before so like when i turned heal at progress like all the fans started trying to die so i just got the tissue made up for myself just like a fuck you to like them but then i thought we thought i will just but i never released it so progress released it so it was an anti-jury t-shirt but I've sold like 700 of them now. That's... Yeah, it's a good seller that one. Yeah, that's pretty good. Other than Mick Foley, who was inspiring you?

Because obviously you grew up with ECW, just like I did. Like Sabu, Van Dam, Tommy Dreamer. And then like the Hardy Boys as well. All those latter matches and like Edgian Christian, the Dudleys and stuff. Yeah. Have you worked Tommy Dreamer? Have you worked any of those other guys? I've read Suboo.

That was cool. Oh my God. Yeah. I've seen like five times now. Who's still on that bucket list of people you want to work? Well, I'd love to work for you. but that's probably never going to happen, is it? Well, I don't think he's wrestling.

No, I know. You can make an appearance with him. Oh, no, I've been on shows in before. Yeah. Yeah, he's a really nice guy. What is something in a death match that looks really painful that, in fact, really isn't that bad? Why would I say that?

Why don't I'll break the fourth for a while? Okay, don't, okay. Everything really hurts. Everything. There it is. You don't need to. And I like it. In fact, there's some stuff that doesn't hurt, that I make it hurt,

just to make myself feel better. because I enjoy it. You know, get a massive erection. Well, not massive. It's small anyway, but then I go backstage and have a real good time with myself. I've not even had a drink yet. I'm just really tired. Well, you have a drink after the show today?

Oh, yeah, definitely. What's your go-to drink? I like beer, big fan of beer. Beer and cocktails, fruity cocktails. Is the beer better in America or the UK? There's a lot more variety of beer over here, I think. You guys like your craft beers a lot. But we started getting into them a lot back home.

There's a company called a Brew Dog back home. that do like the single punk IPA. I like that one. Well, I'm actually from Canada. Oh, okay. I think the beer might even be better there. You said you were just in Toronto, was it? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Anywhere I go, anytime I go, I go somewhere, I just like to try like local beers. Okay. So like, would you go with like an IPA or? Yeah, normally IPAs.

Yeah, okay. That's like a very beery tasting beer. It's like a meal sometimes, yeah. It can be. Like a Guinness? You got like, chew a Guinness. No, I'm not, I'm not a Guinness fan. Liquor at all?

Yeah. Yeah, I like to liquor. I'm not talking my girlfriend. I'm sorry. Yeah, I like an Irish coffee, big fan of that.

But I like old fashions. If they're made right, really good cocktails. With the one single ice cube in it. That's the only way I'll drink in old fashion. So obviously AUW's brought you in to be Jimmy Havoc. Does that mean we'll see death matches in AEDW?

I've no idea. I like that. But I did say in an interview, it's going to be less, blood and less swearing, which when I said that, I was comparing it to every match I've had this year, I've bled. So there's probably going to be a lot of spleading because it's not good, but people have decided to say that quite wrong with, but headlines of Jimmy Havoc says, no death matches, no hardcore in AW at all. I'm like, no, you fucking cut. Like, fuck. Beep. Yeah.

Like, that's not why I said at all. Like, you didn't say the full word there. It was in the article. How are you changing that to, like, mean, that that really annoys me. But that's, that's how the internet works. Yeah. I know, yeah. But, like, Like, I don't know. The thing is, like, who knows what fucking death match is anyway? It's just, like, for me, like, death matches, there has to be blood. There has to be that slightly more extreme element of hardcore than just chairs and tables. Yeah.

But other than that, there's no dictionary definition of what is a death match, what has to be in a death match. So is, like... For me, like, especially for, like, bigger companies like this, like, you'd call it a death match as a way of, like, promoting something. Yes. So you could call it a hardcore match. I can still go out there and... kill myself. Do I mean?

Yeah. Makes no difference. Like is Foley versus Randy Orton? Very hardcore match. Was that a death match? Yeah, you could, like, some people could describe, like, I've had death matches that weren't as crazy, you know. Yeah.

Orton bumping in the sacks like that. Got such a fucking good reaction. Yeah. That's not my favorite match, but that's a really good match. That's one of your favorite matches? Yeah, I think that's Wiki match. Really? My favorite match is a triple H.

Foley from the Rumble. Oh, my God. Yes. That's one of my favorite matches. Yeah. That was next level. What about without any hardcore element? Do you have a favorite match?

George, Shingo and Osprey from the best strip juniors this year is fucking incredible. That's the last amazing match I've watched. Okay. Brett Hart, Austin from 13. There's blood and stuff, but the storytelling that was fucking with me. What about Jimmy Havoc's favorite match? There was a four. It was me, Marty Skull, El Ligero, and Rampage Brown,

from Progress Chapter 12, I think it was. That's not hardcore school. That's just a, I've really enjoyed that one. That was good. And any of the me and Osprey ones, I've really enjoyed it. Well, yeah, you mentioned that one early. Yeah. I love wrestling in Zach as well.

I've had quite a few good ones with him. You've had an incredible career. 15 years ago now. Yeah, no, it's congratulations on that. You're still going? Just somehow. You've still got a bunch of blood in you that you're... I must regenerate blood really quickly.

But after this one, we're like, it got the vein that's bleeding out. I mean, I'm in the ambulance and the way. hospital. So I'm laying there like still covering in blood. The nurse goes out. So roughly how much blood did you lose? I sort of looked down over myself, went, what? Just roughly like seven and fifty minutes. I was like, I didn't bring my measuring judgment, mate, sorry. You could take this off and bring it out

if you want. You might be okay. I've got some of them. So I've got in an ambulance and they go, how did you do that to your head, Jimmy? Well, I just said it did some. The guys in the ambulance were okay. It was the nurse at the hospital who like, so I've got into our group with her. So she's taking details. He goes, okay, so I phone the police are on the way. So who was it that assaulted you? I was like, what?

You said someone assaulted you? I said, no, no, no. I said someone broke a glass tube over my head. Yeah, there's assault. No, no, no, it was wrestling. What do you mean it was wrestling? So I'm sitting there trying to explain wrestling whilst covered in bloodline. Well, no, it's not real, but it is real.

Like, yeah, it's impossible. Luckily, the doctor come along and he told her, I don't worry about the police. I hope you have good health insurance. In England, it's Yeah, but, and I'm from Canada. We had great health insurance. Now I live in America, and you're about to live in America. Oh, I've got loads of fake names.

It's fine. Oh, okay. No, I have got health insurance. Okay, good. Because, yeah, it's a completely different thing. Yeah, yeah, it can be very expensive. You know, I have got insurance. Yeah, this, like this thing on you there would have been.

Well, this one here, that was $2,000, I think, just six stitches there. Oh, man. That's a lot. Amazing. We have learned. much in this interview. So thank you very much for making this happen. I'm so excited to see what the future holds for you. Because I think that as you continue along the path, there's no question that you could be wrestling for the AEW championship. I'd very much like to hear.

It's an exciting time to be a wrestler. I feel I've done everything I can, like on the Indies. And now it's time to see if it translates to a wider mainstream audience, I suppose. It already has. I'm excited. I mean, when you came out at double or nothing, people were very excited. That was cool. Yeah. So good luck with everything. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Yeah, appreciate you. Thank you very much. There you have it. Ladies and gentlemen, Jimmy Havoc. I guess I should have warned you at the start about all the language in this interview. But then again, it's a Jimmy Havoc interview. What did you expect? I can certainly tell you I did not expect the term prolapsed anus to ever show up in any of my interviews ever.

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